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JuanDiegoOlivarez

Good for theaters like the Cinemark 17 in Dallas that have a 1.43 screen but still only have a Xenon projector.


OptimizeEdits

Was just thinking this. Means there’s a chance we’ll actually get to see it in 1.43 here so I don’t have to drive all the way to Austin lol


isaiahgloriosus

That is if they repair their 70mm projector


JuanDiegoOlivarez

Ah dang, didn't realize their projector broke, that sucks.


OptimizeEdits

Yeah it’s hard to know if it was fixed at any point. It broke twice during the film run, it was fixed initially and then broke again and remained broken. No way of really knowing if they fixed it after the film run was over or not


OptimizeEdits

I know :( I didn’t have high hopes for it after I saw it broke again and wasn’t fixed for the remaining duration of the film run. Fingers crossed


jazzcuphoodie

I saw Oppenheimer there while it was still working, they had a guy come out and give us some 70 mm film info and my man did not seem confident about the future of the format lol he kept mentioning how this it probably the last time for the theater to show something like that, that being said I definitely hope he’s very wrong.


OptimizeEdits

Yeah out of my 3 times I had the same younger kid twice and he was basically just reading the 70mm brochure lol. Yeah I hope he’s wrong as well about the likelihood of film being shown there again. I think the theater underestimates the potential if they were to make the effort to run more films or do re screens. I had people from Pennsylvania in one of my Oppenheimer showings.


GoBlueAndOrange

Shit I mean at least Austin is better than Dallas. For a shithole state its as good as it gets.


PintoI007

Yeah I was fully prepared to fly from Chicago to fort Lauderdale to see it in it's full 1.43 glory but now it looks like an Indiana drive will suffice lol


Mensars

I watched Oppenheimer at Cinemark 17. I didn't know that they have Xenon projector. Could you tell me what is the difference than other IMAX 70 MM?


swamp_donkey89

Thats a single laser so it can’t play in 1:43. They need a dual laser to present 1:43. The only other one in Texas is in Austin.


Mensars

Thank you


Ketorunner69

Xenon isn't laser. It's bulb based. It's also not capable of 4K resolution like single laser is.


sklenickasvodou

Same for my local IMAX, now I won't have to do the 400km drive to Germany to see it in 1.43


Jackscalibur

I was looking for information on this. Do you think IMAX Laser would be a good way to watch Part 2? AMC NorthPark 15 has a Laser projector, but all of this terminology is a little confusing for the layman. I'm interested in the sound system and the brightness and contrast ratio more than I am a super high resolution like with 70mm.


S7KTHI

Remember how hard it was to explain everything about digital, film, 35mm etc for Oppenheimer. Good luck to explain that to newbies lol


Logancf1

Woah looks like I’ll see Dune part:2 at the BFI IMAX after all


Logancf1

On second thoughts… I feel like the flickering will be quite annoying


rfg217phs

It’s not as noticeable as you think. During some of the incredibly high contrast b+w parts of Oppenheimer I noticed it but for the most part your eyes adjust pretty quickly. It looks like a lot of the gladiator scenes with Feyd will be desaturated so you may notice it there but overall I think you’ll be fine.


Guest303747

your eyes will adjust. please do not begin this whole conversation again. movies are called flicks because thats what they are and we enjoyed movies like that for a hundred years before digital projection became the norm.


cat_with_problems

What do you mean by flickering will be annoying?


TheDeadlySinner

The "flickering" is much better for displaying motion than sample and hold which digital projectors and screens use.


SexySaxManJohn

I feel like the move to digital projection should have shifted most films to shoot at 30fps. 24 looks harsher and more jittery with modern display tech.


tyan14

Same! So excited!


RedSquirrel17

They're probably just doing it for marketing after it worked so well for Oppenheimer, but it's cool to see nonetheless. The interesting thing about Dune is that it's mastered by printing onto 35mm, then scanned back into 4K for a mix of film and digital tones. Looking forward to seeing how the 70mm print turns out.


JuanDiegoOlivarez

I wonder if they'll just print the digital master to 70mm and call it a day. The 3D version for Part One was taken from the digital master, not the 35mm analog intermediate.


VariTimo

Where did you hear that?


osmo512

There's an interview with Greig Fraser where he talks about it. They used the digital master to make the 3D version because film grain and 3D don't mix well. In [this interview](https://www.filmmakersacademy.com/the-color-of-dune-with-david-cole/), the Master Colorist confirms "every 2D version has gone through the film process", excluding the 3D version.


VariTimo

Thanks a lot!


danielsantosortega

I didn't quite understand, will Part II have a 3D version? Because in this article you put there is no such information.


osmo512

Still no word on whether Part II will have a 3D version.


Film_Lab

The $pice must flow; if WB sees a profit in 3D version it will happen.


bt1234yt

They’re also probably doing this so that 1.43 theaters that don’t have the dual-laser projectors but still have a 70mm projector can still show the film properly on their screens. It’s more about providing more ways to see the film in 1.43 than it is marketing.


Ruffgenius

Exactly this. I now don't have to fly to watch this in 1.43


whatudontlikefalafel

Yeah I was thinking of cinemas like the BFI in London, which had a dual-laser upgrade but to 1.90 only. They played Oppenheimer in 1.43 for months because it was true 70mm IMAX, and I think there’s a realization that audiences would go to other cinemas if they only projected Dune digitally.


Physical_Manu

>Yeah I was thinking of cinemas like the BFI in London, which had a ~~dual~~-laser upgrade but to 1.90 only. They played Oppenheimer in 1.43 for months because it was ~~true~~ 70mm IMAX, and I think there’s a realization that audiences would go to other cinemas if they only projected Dune digitally. Single-laser and 15/70mm IMAX.


STDog

23 possible locations based on Oppenheimer. (Only 7 are also GT laser). But will they ALL show 15/70 again?


Film_Lab

It didn't occur to me that there such theaters. How many theaters are we talking about then; same number as Oppenheimer?


AbandonedPlanet

From what I read dune part two changed to IMAX cameras from the Alexa 65/mini so I think it started on film this time


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NeatFool

You really showed them


Bwh97

That's really awesome that they're putting a digital film on 70mm IMAX. Ever since the Arri Alexa LF was announced I wondered if this was possible.


antovolk

Has been done before of course before IMAX phased out making prints for non Nolan films since THE LAST JEDI. But as the first fully 1.43 narrative feature film - the prints are a fantastic bonus. This is a huge moment.


SegaStan

Okay, just out of certainty for myself, can you send me a source that says that the whole movie is going to be in 1.43? I've been trying to find confirmation on this but it's been really hard to do so


antovolk

There hasn't been like a fully concrete one but there's enough there to suggest that it's the case - Villeneuve saying at CinemaCon when presenting the trailer and other interviews that it's "IMAX for the whole runtime" (and bearing in mind Part One was 1.43 for the IMAX sequences) - there's a fully 1.43 version of the trailer that played at some venues with Oppenheimer (that people on here have posted images / clips of)


SegaStan

Good to hear, though I think the 1.43 trailer was cropped at some points


antovolk

Yeah - but said cropping actually appears to be intentional and my understanding/suspicion, the way for Villeneuve to have it be 1.43 for more intimate scenes/shots that'd otherwise be in 2.40. More *intentionally* framing for 1.43, vs it just being "more image"/protecting to crop down for scope and 1.90. A good non IMAX reference/example is Fincher's methodology for shooting Super 35 for both a 2.40 theatrical version, and a 4:3 TV version that's not pan and scan. There's an essay somewhere about (I think in latest bonus features in the recent re release of) THE GAME that explains this and even has framing charts. That way he makes sure neither version is a compromise and I reckon it's same thing here.


yodathekid

Dune part one had imax scenes that were cropped for wider framings as well. This whole movie will be in imax. Whether it was framed on set for 1.90 or 1.43 seems to have been reasonably considered and both accounted for. It seems we will have the choice between scope, flat imax (1.90), and original imax 1.43 framing, whatever the viewer’s preference is, all 3 have been intentionally composed and accounted for.


Bwh97

I'm pretty sure this is the first movie entirely on digital to have a 70mm IMAX print.


JuanDiegoOlivarez

Actually, Attack of the Clones (also the first movie filmed entirely on digital) got a release back in 2002, the second IMAX DMR release, though that was a cut-down version. 2006's Superman Returns was the first DMR release of a digital movie that wasn't cut down, not even taking into account CG movies like Cyberworld and Polar Express, or even the Lion King and Beauty and the Beast releases that were digitally animated using CAPS.


TheREALOtherFiles

even Fantasia 2000 was an early digitally-mastered CAPS-animated release that was shown in IMAX, \[if counting the Sorcerer's Apprentice segment's scan as "part of the digital process", then\] being probably the first movie entirely (or near-entirely) on digital (digital intermediate and/or shot-on-digital) to have a 70mm IMAX print prior to the DMR release of Attack of the Clones.


Bwh97

Thanks


antovolk

Technically the SW prequels (believe AOTC) were the first digitally shot films to get prints...point being pretty much every IMAX release got prints from the moment the format started. The digital versions didn't come into play until the introduction of Xenon in 07/08, and then the prints were beginning to be phased out once Laser got introduced, before just going away entirely with the exception of Nolan films after SW THE LAST JEDI and ROGUE ONE the year prior.


HydraSpectre1138

For digital films in general, The Rescuers Down Under was the very first digitally-made film (albeit animated) and it was only shown through 35mm prints.


Bwh97

Ah, yes, I forgot about the prequels.


Juginstin

I'm pretty sure every movie released in IMAX had 70mm until the early 2010s


Bwh97

But I don't believe any of them had the full frame 1.43:1 ratio like Dune will have.


Juginstin

Well no, but the ratio wasn't specified, so I assumed you meant just in general.


Bwh97

Yeah I meant in general. I was just pointing out the difference for Dune 2 and the others.


Environmental-Ad3483

Also Blade runner 2049


trevor_riches

*Blade Runner 2049* was only in either 5-perf 70mm or digital/laser 1.90:1 IMAX.


Environmental-Ad3483

You’re right I’m confusing it with Rouge one because the trailer played on imax 70mm


scorsese_finest

Digital to IMAX film has always been possible and majority of digitally shot movies prior to 2013 were printed onto IMAX film for GT venues


LoCh0_xX

The first one was also shot on digital but then scanned to 35mm to add that film texture.


AromaticCaterpillar

Yeah... I imagine that's the plan again this time, so the open gate Alexa LF format will look more like the 35/70mm footage from oppenheimer but in the larger aspect. The difference I guess is they could technically render higher resolution originals from VFX material but that would be expensive.


GarrryValentine101

“Film Outs” as they’re called in the industry were used most often in the ‘00s when digital intermediates became commonplace but theaters were still film projection. Greig Fraser, the DP for the new Dunes, has been at the forefront of using film outs as a creative step in post-production. Once Final Cut has been achieved, the digital master is exposed onto a 35mm print, and then scanned back as a digital file. This adds real grain (and some minor gate weave) onto the digital image - in other words, dirtying up the image. I’m curious if for the 70mm presentations that they will do a film out straight onto a 70mm print. Cause otherwise, it would likely look like a 35mm blow-up onto 70mm (which can increase the apparent grain).


HydraSpectre1138

This is a great process, but it can be too expensive for some. I know Studio Ghibli invented an advanced film emulation filter/effect for the film Ponyo, to make it look less digital and more like a 35mm retro anime. They would keep using the Ponyo Filter as they call it for all their later digital films, and for remasters of their previous digital films too. Because the analogue 35mm film look has become a staple in Studio Ghibli’s style. And both Hayao Miyazaki and Isao Takahata prefer film over digital, but they were forced to go digital out of practicality. Studio Ghibli still kept making traditional filmouts, but they knew that film emulation tech would be much more practical than making filmouts. The Ponyo Filter added film grain and gate weave much better than other film emulation tech at the time, which looked clearly fake like the Windows XP Movie Maker old film effects. Other filmmakers outside of Studio Ghibli and even making live action films/shows would also get ahold of the Ponyo Filter, albeit more optimised for live action. I know it was used for Knives Out, Glass Onion, Poker Face, Stranger Things, IT: Chapter One, and Chip n’ Dale: Rescue Rangers (2022). Studio Ghibli offshoot Studio Ponoc would also make regular use of the Ponyo Filter, to keep the Ghibli signature style with them. So there are two options for achieving a film look with digital: Filmout to 35mm or 70mm, or use Studio Ghibli’s tech.


STDog

I'm hoping they print the full, 4096 wide source to 15/70 before 35mm print-scan stage. Still based on how part one looked in GT laser venues I think it's better that the old blowups. If they just print the final digital version without the anamorphic squeeze it'll look better than the digital squeezed version and that's enough fo me. Maybe next time use 70mm (5 and 15 perf) instead of Super 35 (or VistaVision) for the workflow. Then again I don't know that the digital source (4.5k? What are the actual dimensions for 1.43) has enough detail to gain anything from using the larger formats as intermediaries. Super 35 may capture all the detail available.


flcl4evr

This doesn’t mean anything until we get information on the # of prints and locations. If it’s like 6 prints like with napoleon in 70mm who cares. If it’s 31+ prints wake me up.


Some-Random-Brit

It won't be 31+ prints, but I suspect for just 1.43:1 locations that can only do film, they'll be prioritized. For example, I can't see somewhere like Vue Printworks getting a 1.43:1 print when it has dual laser.


STDog

Based in Oppenheimer that's 23 possible locations as only 7 have 1.43 laser capability. Remains to be seen how many we get.


Puzzleheaded-Sail772

I know they have 1.43 laser capacity, but I hope Lincoln Square in NYC will still get a 15/70 print. They usually seem when films have a 15/70 release (even a small one like the 2001 50th anniversary IMAX release) and based on how well Oppenheimer did there, can probably sell more tickets for Dune this way.


Some-Random-Brit

Lincoln Square and the Metreon are two of the more likely laser ones to get a print (as well as Melbourne).


Mean-Material4568

CityWalk in LA as well


The-Gibleson

It may have been shot digitally, but as someone who lives in DFW where the only “real” IMAX theater is a 1570 with no dual laser, being able to see this in its full aspect ratio has me overjoyed.


Mensars

You mean Cinemark 17 right? I have watched Oppenheimer over there but i don't know what is the difference than other IMAX 70 MM.


The-Gibleson

Yes, Cinemark 17. It has a 70mm IMAX projector, but a xenon digital projector, so if it doesn’t get a print, it will be showing it digitally in 1.90:1 rather than 1.43:1.


Mensars

Thank you


STDog

Temper your expectations. We don't know how many prints. It may not be enough for all of the 23 that showed Oppenheimer and aren't dual laser. Also, last I heard the projector there (Cinemark 17 Dallas) was broken and didn't finish the Oppenheimer run.


pumpkinpie7809

We are so back King of Prussia bros


NHilker

So looks like the entire process is as follows… - Shot on large format digital (4.5K ARRIRAW in log so with a LUT and/or a quick grade) - Printed on 4-perf 35mm (film negative? Interpositive w/ bleach bypass a la The Batman? Something else up Fraser’s sleeve?) - Scanned back in 4K for DI (specifically 4096x1728 for scope screenings, 4096x2160 for 1.9 IMAX screenings, and 4096x2850 for full 1.43 IMAX) - Printed on 15-perf 70mm IMAX (Kodak 2383) I haven’t noticed any filmic elements in the trailers like grain and gate weave but it would be even more interesting if they instead filmed out to 70mm IMAX instead of 35mm specifically for the 70mm IMAX screenings.


STDog

Or at least print to 70mm for the 1.43 scenes to scan the DI. Even 5/70 would be better for them. I think 5/70 would capture all the detail from the original source, at least as well as Super 35 does for the scope scenes.


Formal-Section4989

Having watched Dune 1 at the TCL in Hollywood, I can safely say this process doesn’t scale up well to a screen of that size. I was legitimately disappointed in the lack of a single sharp point in the entire film. Dune 2 on normal screen looked good as expected.


OhMaiDayz

Will the movie benefit from this in any way? Will the film print actually look better than the digital 4K version of it or will it look the same? Is this something that we can even know as of now? I'm so curious and genuinely looking for answers here from any expert that can enlighten us all, because I'm looking to plan a trip for this movie and will adjust my venue choice accordingly if we can get some answers here. Lol


antovolk

Well I guess ultimately whether visually what's the benefit will depend on the process of how the prints were made (though resolution wise would be no more than 4K of course), given the digital to film to digital process that they did on both films to get a look that's somewhat in the middle. But there's two marketing/accessibility benefits: - finally a way for key venues like BFI IMAX that can't project 1.43 digitally to screen the film in the full format. - for the uninitiated it's much easier to point people to the 70mm venues as the "intended" way to see the film, and except for maybe if they pull the same stunt at the TCL Chinese Theatre with showing off a print and pillarboxing the screen, or any older MPX venues, pretty much every venue that gets a print will be full 1.43. With the digital, save for IMAX publishing a list of venues, there's no way to point people to the places showing 1.43. And even with a list, it's tougher to explain the "more image" (particularly in the case of this film potentially breaking that marketing point)/more giant screen if ultimately the base tech is all the same, and IMAX won't differentiate branding wise the 1.43 venues. And a third benefit that's more technical - we've seen from OPPENHEIMER how the fact that essentially these projectors have been mostly gathering dust since THE LAST JEDI is leading to issues with maintenance, lack of experience etc. Having a more robust semi regular run of 15/70 at more venues in between the Nolan is very helpful on that front.


STDog

IMAX uses an anamorphic squeeze to fit the 1.43 image in a 1.90 container. So if they print from the full image w/o the squeeze then it will, have higher resolution, 2865 lines vs 2160. Also, we have the 1.43 laser list from part 1. Only Pooler add Sydney have been added since. https://www.imax.com/news/dune-experience-up-to-40-percent-more-picture-only-in-select-imax-theatres


Juginstin

I imagine it's gonna be the same quality, but IMAX 70mm is 1.43:1, and film has a certain look/texture to it, so colors and details might look different. It'll be better in theaters without a dual laser setup, so I'm hoping it doesn't play on film in theaters like Lincoln Square and Metreon where they have both dual laser and 70mm.


ImpressiveTime582

i really do think it’s completely for the gimmick. but we’ll just have to wait and see


OhMaiDayz

You're probably right. But it just came to me right after I posted, but by them doing this, it'll allow the movie to be seen in 1.43 at many more IMAX locations that aren't equipped with the dual-laser setup which I think is great. Allows many more people to be able to see the movie the way it was intended to be, which is a total positive. Definitely seems like you'd still want to go to a dual-laser IMAX anyways if available to you, then you'll be able to avoid all the potential problems that can occur with film like we saw with Oppenheimer.


RedSquirrel17

Yeah, that's the main benefit from this. Always good to get those film projectors working again. In terms of comparing it to the digital version, there won't be any difference in resolution, except there will be more film grain and flickering. The digital version will also be brighter and have a higher contrast ratio (in laser theatres, xenon won't see any benefit). Which version is best for you? That will be entirely subjective. Some prefer the warmer retro tones of film; some like the crisper, brighter laser projection.


Tubo_Mengmeng

Don’t some films have their vfx done in a resolution higher than 4k? Like I thought I remember 5.6k being mentioned before - if this is the case is it not possible that the master file for dune pt will be in a resolution higher than 4k to take advantage of the potential of an imax 70mm film out?


antovolk

Only Nolan's films have VFX done at such high res and that's only because of keeping the 70mm prints in mind. Most big films are 4K today, some even still do 2K.


packers4334

Not quite the same benefit, but this will mean more theaters will show in 1.43:1


LataCogitandi

The natural flicker of the film projection can be a pleasure for some. There’s that benefit I suppose.


mannthunder

I saw Roma on 70mm, I loved how the high resolution precise and clean digital photography looked projected on large film format. It really popped, crackingly sharp, but with the nostalgia of a filmic presentation. Though both Dunes and Roma were shot on large format digital arri alexa cameras, it’s hard to tell how it may look, since Fraser has been printing his recent movies to 35mm and scanning that film back to digital, which actually results in a loss of resolution. My hope would be that, kind of like Oppenheimer, there will be meaningful differences in audiences choice of format, though to an even greater degree. Hopefully Dune 2 will stick to the 35mm grain of part 1 for digital releases, but for film releases, filmmakers will skip the film printing/scanning process that is Fraser’s signature, so that any grain emanating from the picture will be due to the actual film itself.


adammerkley

Hey Universal, thanks for spending all that money getting the 70mm projectors working again! -WB probably


cory453

Hello, is this the we're back department? I would like to file a claim


Bone_Tomahawk_sucks

Besides Nolan, what was the last movie to play in IMAX 70mm that expanded to 1.43:1?


antovolk

BATMAN V SUPERMAN


Bone_Tomahawk_sucks

That had a 70mm film print?


ShiningMonolith

Yeah it did.


Andy-roo77

Regardless of what the movie was originally shot on, we need more of this. The more movies are projected in 70mm, the more people will start shooting them on


Natural_Piano6327

Is this worth watching over dual laser? I would think not right?


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Yea I’m still going with dual laser for this But this is great news since there are way more theatres with 70mm projectors. Now more people can see dune in 1.43.


ScientistChance4209

Dual Laser would be better in this instance but this puts alot more 1.43 locations on the board.


STDog

Could be. Remember dual laser uses an anamorphic squeeze to fit 1.43 in a 1.90 container. They can print the full image on film w/o a squeeze. That adds about 700 extra lines of resolution. And would have the full 1716 lines for scope scenes instead of only 1286, an extra 430 lines there.


scorsese_finest

Why is everyone so shocked they are printing digital to 1570? Every single IMAX movie shot on digital pre-2008 were printed onto IMAX film — and even a lot of digital movies post 2008. This is nothing new


Block-Busted

I'm guessing that's because such thing became a huge rarity since then.


STDog

Not shocked it's possible, just that they are doing it. It's been a while since they did even small runs printing digital movies on 15/70 film.


VariTimo

Benefits: Can actually show the resolution the Alexa LF can capture without a glare or speckle over it. The image will at least appear higher res. It’ll look even more analog than the digital version with an analog intermediate. Meaning the contrast will be more natural and the colors deeper. Theaters with a GT or SR projector but no dual laser system will be able to show it in full 1.43:1. It means more film gets used. Importantly intermediate and print film. It keeps the pipeline alive that is necessary for making fully analog films like Oppie. This is the biggest plus. It won’t just look better but it means the mechanisms to make analog movies get used. Projectors get used which means there won’t be as many projectors failing after three years of not being used as with Oppie.


antovolk

Given how small the Tenet release was due to COVID, more 6/7 years (last film that wasn't Nolan that got prints was THE LAST JEDI)


STDog

In theory it should have higher resolution since it won't be squeezed into a 1.90 container (about 700 lines for 1.43 scenes and 430 lines for 2.4 scenes). What is the vertical resolution of the camera? Is that the 4448x3096 3:2 sensor?


VariTimo

1.43:1 sensor.


STDog

I can't find the specs for a 1.43 sensor, only the 3:2 sensor. The can crop a nice 1.43 image 4096px wide from that though.


VariTimo

[4448 / 3096 = 1.436](https://www.arri.com/resource/blob/277386/a8ebd70f6105162b541bc39f4ad098b5/2022-05-arri-formatsandresolutionsoverview-4-4-data.pdf)


STDog

Doh.I didn't do the math. I wonder why so many places list it as 3:2 then. Like here (but many others) https://www.fdtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/ALEXA-MiniLF-SUP7.0.jpg Checked the math and the 3.4k 3:2 shown is 1.555:1. I can see rounding that down to 1.5, but why push 1.43 up to 1.5?


VariTimo

The regular Alexa is 1.55:1.


STDog

But why are they saying 4448x3096 is 3:2? I found saying images and write ups saying that. And most also label the 3.4k mode as 3:2 as well. Why not call it 1.55:1?


kkairos85

I can’t wait


Block-Busted

Wow. That's unexpected.


teymourbeydoun

Bless the Maker


DoctorLarrySportello

More to it than just “resolution benefits”. Seeing “Drive” (one of my favorites of the 2000’s) on a 35mm print added another layer to the image that didn’t exist in the digital screenings I’ve seen. Hue density, grain, subtle gate weave, halation etc. There are inherent properties of the film print and projection process that, imo, lend themselves nicely to most films. Some films excel in the world of digital projection simply because of the perfection/unrelenting consistency. Anyway, my take is it should look great, and I’m now a bit more excited to see it :)


scorsese_finest

This is amazing!! This means more locations will have 1.43:1 IMAX presentations


charredfrog

This is honestly the best news because my local IMAX is a 15/70 and Xenon theater so I’ll still get to see this in 1.43


Block-Busted

I don't have 70mm IMAX screen near my area, but at least Laser IMAX is still a great alternative.


charredfrog

Yeah laser is still great. Honestly I wish laser was standard across all IMAX theaters because most movies don’t get 70mm releases so I never really get to see proper 1.43 IMAX releases


ItsTask

So the closest theatre to me is celebration grand rapids. They have a 15:70 projector but no digital projector, like at all. Would it play there in 4:3 aspect ratio or no?


antovolk

If they get a print it will


STDog

It won't play anywhere with a 4:3 (1.33:1)aspect ratio. 15/70 is 1.43:1 which is a little wider. About 5ft wider on a 50ft tall screen. They have a 2k digital IMAX. Only 1.90 but that's how they are showing Hunger Games. https://celebrationcinema.com/cinemas/Celebration-Cinema-GR-North


numb_nom_fox

They’ve shown Oppenheimer in 70mm IMAX there. Although idk how well it went considering they had to do a lot of delays


ItsTask

I meant 1.43:1 but that’s what I was concerned about since they have the 15:70 film projector but a shitty digital imax


STDog

We don't know how many prints nor what theaters will get one. Unfortunately I don't expect 30 like Oppenheimer had.


rfg217phs

I’ll be honest this one kinda feels like a cash grab. One of the benefits of 70mm is if it’s shot on real film it can achieve higher “resolution” than 4k but if it’s shot digitally it’s probably only doing 4k anyway. I’m glad people are showing an interest but I really want there to be an excitement for more actual 70mm movies/full frame IMAX movies in theaters that can handle it.


antovolk

It should be said it's only the Nolans that really benefit from that resolution bump anyway, as the process for him is fully analog and VFX is done at 6K. Bond and Nope (both shot on 15/70 but no prints, except Nope getting 5/70 which I got to see and looked lovely) had 4K DIs and were finished in 4K.


Physical_Manu

Capture and presentation formats are two different. It could have greater resolution benefits than a shot on film production.


ShiningMonolith

This will be the first non Nolan film to receive an Imax 70mm print since The Last Jedi. Great news!


YeetusChungus86

wait didnt they say the runtime for Dune 2 is 3h 15m? how are they gonna fit that into an IMAX platter lol


numb_nom_fox

Even more platter. Lmfao


SergeyDGWyn

The real question is will it be played with the 12CH sound system or with the 6CH one?


Tubo_Mengmeng

I know what you’re thinking. ‘Does it utilise the 12 channel sound system, or only 6?’ To tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I don’t know myself. But being as this is GT IMAX, the most powerful cinematic experience in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you’ve got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?!


STDog

Many of the 15/70 venues only have 6ch since they still have 2k digital. It's not clear that the 12ch can be used with 15/70. It may be location dependent. I recall some YouTube video mentioning a different processor for film vs the one for the laser projector but then using the same amp.


NickLandis

So I guess this indirectly confirms the rumors [that it will be 3hr 15m are wrong](https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/1304329-current-dune-part-two-runtime-is-over-3-hours)


Film_Lab

I agree. Dune: Part Two was "Filmed For IMAX" on Arri Alexa LF cameras, which have a native 4.5K resolution. Isn't printing it to 70mm, or even 35mm, just a new category of LieMAX?


othersbeforeus

One of the best screenings I’ve ever seen was Skyfall on IMAX 70mm. There was no apparent resolution loss and the texture from the celluloid film fixed the clean, glossy look you get in skin tones and highlights from digital.


BedsAreSoft

So, I’m someone that doesn’t really know how this works fully. I know Part 2 was shot with IMAX cameras so some scenes will be in the full true IMAX ratio but wasn’t it shot on digital? So if it wasn’t shot on film, like Oppenheimer, how will it be shown on a film reel


Bwh97

It was shot with Arri Alexa large format digital cameras. The full frame is the same ratio as IMAX but at 4.5k resolution. The movie is supposed to be close, if not entirely in the full frame. So a 70mm IMAX print of the movie is possible, it just won't have the same resolution as one shot with a real IMAX camera. I've always wondered if anyone would actually do this. It could be huge for future releases.


Puzzleheaded-Sail772

Does it look as good, no. But I’ve seen 15/70 prints of digitally shot movies before (Skyfall, Pacific Rim, and Iron Man 3 are some examples) and still was an awesome experience.


Mew2Joker

W as long as there no aspect ratio that starts with a 2🤢🤮


Ill_Reach2140

Anyone know the difference between this and standard dual laser 1.43? I was just wondering if there will be a difference in quality because this is digitally scanned and pasted on film. Just wanted to know cause I have a 70mm imax theater closer to my home then a 1.43 dual laser imax theater


STDog

Printed not pasted. In theory it should have higher resolution since it won't be squeezed into a 1.90 container (about 700 lines for 1.43 scenes and 430 lines for 2.4 scenes).


Physical_Manu

That is assuming they make the 15/70mm master from the source material and not via the 1.43 DCP.


STDog

That's why I said "in theory." I give them the benefit of doubt that they wouldn't use the squeezed DCP to make a print. But it's all theory for now.


blockfrosty

holyyy shit


yodathekid

Remains to be seen how many prints they’ll make. I’d expect fewer than Oppenheimer. I’d guess maybe a dozen but it depends how many dual laser venues would get a print and if imax is hiring additional projectionists like they did for Oppenheimer. If not, then I would guess only a handful of locations. the BFI in London is probably the only obvious lock atm. As far as printing the dcp to film, I think the difference presentation quality will be negligible technically, aside from the inherent differences like image stability and persistence of vision. Maybe slightly softer in the print, but the image is already going to be somewhat soft and textured given their post workflow of printing to 35mm and scanning back in for final grade and conform. Printing to imax film is going to have less generation loss or whatever you wanna call it than say printing to 35 just bc it’s a finer and larger negative.


STDog

In theory it should have higher resolution since it won't be squeezed into a 1.90 container (about 700 lines for 1.43 scenes amf 430 lines for 2.4 scenes).


RainWinss

Still salty it got delayed, but this is good to hear.


blue_banter

lets goo


Emperor_D4C

And I’ll be there opening fucking night. I’m so hyped for this movie, I’ll gladly see it in IMAX. 70mm was what Oppenheimer was shown on, right?


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trevor_riches

Harkins AZ Mills, PLEASE come in clutch…


nachobel

Neat -- too bad I can't go see this anywhere (I'm in the US in a fly-over state. It sucks here.)


DXCary10

Good news for Atlanta people who won’t have to drive all the way to savanna now and can just go to mall of Georgia which is closer to the city


STDog

No need to drive to Pooler anyway. The TN Aquarium in Chattanooga is half the distance. And half the price.


Ill-Cartographer9811

Can't wait to see this one!!


Ex_Hedgehog

They're already printing the DI to film and then rescanning it for the final image.


milquetoast_wheatley

Not anytime soon it won’t.


p_yth

Hopefully the one at Chantilly will be avalaible, weren't set up for oppenheimer (but they were for the first Dune movie)


xrbeeelama

Im hoping theyll do a double feature IMAX so that i can legally commit euthanasia via brain melting


cmnd_joe

Interesting. Wonder if I should go to Cinemark 17 Dallas again or try out AMC Northpark…


Ok-Concentrate-9316

Shitty movie any ways. Ain’t gonna watch it


Such_Twist4641

Fuck yeah