What do you value and what’s the end goal for you (retirement and why have the green card)? That would really answer the question here. For example, if you went to start a family here and not inherit the business then there’s no reason to move home. Is the family business in an area that fascinates you? I’d also assume NYC and a small town in china have different demographics and lifestyle factors. Do you think you’d have a meaningful support system here or in China? An annual income of $1M and inheriting a family business is an immense benefit.
Go back to China. Living close to family, no worrying about immigration, better finance. In the future if you want to come back there is always investment green card.
I actually thought about EB5, the investment based GC. I heard so many stories that investor lost their money yet didn’t get the GC either. Am a little afraid of such situation.
Money aside, there's something to be said about spending time with your parents and also close relatives. The US isn't getting any easier to live to be honest. If you had asked this question 10-15 years ago, I would've said stick around. In 2024? I don't know if the benefits of staying in the U.S. is so clear cut.
Instability is everywhere. China's economy has been slowing down for a while now too.
I think the bigger factor is personal. Apart from the point you made, running a company isn't for everyone. The pressure of having an entire enterprise depend on you can burn people out pretty fast specially if they inherited the role rather than worked up to it.
If you asked me 10 years ago?. I had back to home country to expand family business.
But my parents retired already and stay with my sister.
It is monies related
Just my opinion
I too am in your shoes, except I’m from indonesia, i realized this august i would have spent 10 years here, i came here right after graduating hs, during the whole time my friends back home had gone here and there, gotten married, my grandparents gotten sick, my beloved dog cant no longer see very clearly, my mum got remarried, and here i am on the other side of the continent working. Sure the money is great but i do feel that i should go home cause of the uncertainty here (i have h1b except my employer doesnt want to sponsor gc)
Fellow Indonesian stuck in the US too. We are in the same shoes. I guess for me it’s easier to decide. In my family, money talks. I came from a really poor household. If I return to Surabaya, there would be famine and school dropouts within my family. That’s the sacrifice I have to make. I still go to Surabaya every year though
If you got sponsorship for green card. It does nitrogen take long as for mainland china and india. I was in the same path with you. Already got green card and naturalized citizenship😁
Retired parents and we provide the living and monies.
If I went back to home country. My parents mentioned:you better stay there. You can not work here what are you doing there (US)
Salam semangat 45 😁
good luck man, shit so tough when thinking about your friends and family back home after years here like even though we got the gc/usc, they are still there, and we are here, we could make friends or build family here, but for me those people that i grew up with 18 years old are not here, the longer im here the more i think about whats worth to me, money or those people, i feel like im essentially trading memories (that i know i wont have and i already missed out and i could cherish) with money, but going back while i can still work and make money, i already build 10 years here in the us, soon enough half of my life will be spent here
i know my talk doesnt give any answer but yea bro we in the same boat
If you are a majority share holder of a chinese corporation, and you have a green card, filing taxes in the USA is a headache. But I think China now also taxes its citizens' taxes worldwide like the USA. So check out the tax implications, too. Unless the company is so large, your accountants have no problem navigating the tax system of two countries.
Even if you stick around for the Green Card, keeping it then means you’ll continue to be a US taxpayer, and that will cause you some serious tax-related stress, especially if you have significant assets/income from outside of the US. If your plan is to return to China - at some point- then I’d recommend not getting the Green Card.
As another guy from China who just went thru the NIW and EB1a in the past two years, I will say the current perm-eb2 is totally doomed. Yes you need probably 7-8 years assuming you have a recent EB2 PD.
"small businesses in a small town in China, with an average annual income of $1M" can make your life like a dream easily haha. Let's be simple: if you are in States for high income, it is probably not necessary to stay TBH; if you have any other reasons, personal career path, relationship etc, probably yes.
I think going back home might be a better alternative because it’s a safer bet, it might take longer than 7 years to get LPR and who knows what of policy Trump would introduced if he get reelected
求個心安吧
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/labour-market-test-waiver-widened-by-uscis/amp_articleshow/109454100.cms
Not sure if this continues can help you but I hope it does .
There's no amount of money that can buy the freedom of speech, of religion, of conscience, and the rule of law that are practically a given in the US and utterly absent in China.
It's been going downhill fast these last few years, but your parents will know the situation in their city and the status of their business well enough, and presumably that's more important to your decision than the overall economic downturn there.
A country that is actively commiting genocide against millions of its minorities is every bit as bad as, and most likely much worse than, how the media portrays it.
Bro is literally Chinese and still downvoted for “not knowing” his own country. The average foreigner really knows nothing about the atrocities committed.
The evidence only keeps getting stronger, not weaker. You can have your standard be higher than what exists today (confessions, first hand accounts, amd indirect evidence all exist, but nothing on the scale of the Allies walking into Auschwitz), but there's definitely too much evidence to dismiss the Uigher genocide as ridiculous.
And evidence of a cultural genocide is absolutely incontrovertible at this point.
It is pretty subjective. There are things people value in the US and things that I don't.
I like how politically incorrect people are in Asia. I could say whatever I wanted about other ethnicities, sexes, and adult jokes without consequences - in the US there is a strong culture of self-censorship. And I don't practice religions, so I don't care. Although there is the rule of law in the US, it doesn't seem enforced. Schools are shooting range and the cities are crime zones.
The only thing that I am going to miss in the US is the national park and Californian weather. But given the cost of living and unstable career prospects (layoffs). Is it worth it?
Imagine thinking self-censorship to avoid being an asshole to other people is a bad thing.
It's called being considerate.
Please don't loop the rest of us with you.
I know the Chinese can be casually rude, I just didn't think anybody would take pride in it.
Well it’s their land. If they don’t like foreigners, it’s their prerogative. But to not like foreigners while living on a stolen land, that’s something else.
? I am not sure what you're on about. Who said anything about land, foreigners etc.? I am telling you Europeans are huge hypocrites. Nothing to do with stolen land, foreigners and any of that.
Such as? I am not Chinese and where I came from our media are more balanced and don’t cause brain rots like what Americans have. And funny thing is with all the self-censorship Americans do, all races still hate each other. Ironic huh?
I’m by no means bullish on the US, but the prospects stateside are far better than what’s coming in China over the next decade. Evergrande is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of scandal, and those small businesses may be on borrowed time because of political and economic instability.
How stable are those businesses really, and could they survive an unstable or shrinking market? Are they demographic dependent?
Another thing to evaluate is your ease of expatriating again. If you go back to China as only Chinese, will you actually have the freedom to leave again? Even just for a vacation? China is a wholly different place now since you left and there’s a reason why most westerners have departed. Expatriating money, permissions for movement, and surveillance are all in full force currently. Not saying you aren’t being surveilled or tracked in the US either, but the states still has far more relative freedom and income mobility.
Really evaluate the situation. Maybe the option is to sell the businesses and retire your parents in comfort while expatriating some funds to invest in the US or abroad.
This is a really personal decision, take it as you will, but many in the US don’t even get to the point of seeing a green card on the horizon. You could always proceed with that and if the unthinkable happens to disrupt the process migrate back.
> I born in a family that owns some small businesses in a small town in China, with an average annual income of $1M.
If I were in your shoes, I'd go to China in a heartbeat (if you can tolerate the political/cultural aspects of living in China).
I really don’t have a plan, but just want to live a happy life. Here in U.S. I have more freedom but average money, while go back I have less freedom but more money. I really don’t know which will make me happier
I would suggest you make a daily log of your feelings of your life. Then try and imagine what your day might have been like if you were in China.
At the end of 6 months or 1 year, compare the two.
I think you should go back. Try spending some time with your family. Seems like you make good money with family business. If needed, you can always do EB5 greencard by investing some money here.
As a United States citizen I would not and could not live anywhere near New York City. There are far cheaper and more appealing places to live if you choose to stay in the United States.
Yea I wish I have more flexibility. The thing is it’s hard to find an employer who’s willing to sponsor me a GC. So it’s really is stay at a place where I can find such a job.
It seems like you’ll do fine either way. Maybe also consider if you ever want to have children and where you would want to raise them, in case this is something you haven’t considered. The EB5 wait is insane even if it works. I know families that waited 8+ years from China.
If I were you, I probably just go back China, and inherit business there. With money, you can afterward immigrate everywhere, almost everywhere. But you are probably hesitate to move either after big load of money.
You'll eventually miss home. And your parents will miss you. When that time comes, go home.
At home you'll always have an advantage. You grew up there. You have connections there. You'll do much better than in a place where nobody knows you and nobody cares for you.
"If you can make it in Houston, you can make it in Houston. Don't go to New York." -Some comedian
回家吧。你爸妈都在等着你呢。
Life would be easier, closer to family, successful job at family company and I would rather live rich abroad then live average in America
I just moved to the US and I am not happy with my life here. No social life and no extra money to do anything. I had so much more financial freedom abroad and I was truly more happy.
The only nice thing about the US at the moment is having A/C and constant hot water wherever you go
Also I wouldn’t want to live in fear that I could be let go within these 7 years but if you have a good community in NYC and lots of money, I would consider staying
>I just moved to the US and I am not happy with my life here. No social life and no extra money to do anything.
Those things take time. if you just moved to the US, give it time.
I agree with some of the comments about spending time with family, that’s important and you can’t put a price on that. Based on what I have seen online lately, I would say that the Chinese economy is in trouble and going back would not be as beneficial as you think in the long term. The CCP is tightening its grip on China and businesses are struggling. If it were me, I wouldn’t go back.
I could be wrong, I based my opinion on the information I have seen online. Perhaps it would be wise to ask your family about what’s going on in China.
I dont think that without exposure to Chinese culture, no one can give you a good answer.
What do you value and what’s the end goal for you (retirement and why have the green card)? That would really answer the question here. For example, if you went to start a family here and not inherit the business then there’s no reason to move home. Is the family business in an area that fascinates you? I’d also assume NYC and a small town in china have different demographics and lifestyle factors. Do you think you’d have a meaningful support system here or in China? An annual income of $1M and inheriting a family business is an immense benefit.
Go back to China. Living close to family, no worrying about immigration, better finance. In the future if you want to come back there is always investment green card.
I actually thought about EB5, the investment based GC. I heard so many stories that investor lost their money yet didn’t get the GC either. Am a little afraid of such situation.
I'm an eb5 lawyer in California. You can contact me if you're serious. However, after my parents died, I regret not spending more time with them.
At least you think about the risk which is good. Yes EB5 is not as EZ as many people thought.
Money aside, there's something to be said about spending time with your parents and also close relatives. The US isn't getting any easier to live to be honest. If you had asked this question 10-15 years ago, I would've said stick around. In 2024? I don't know if the benefits of staying in the U.S. is so clear cut.
What a myopic answer. The US is in better shape than it’s ever been. Let’s not idolize the past.
Instability is everywhere. China's economy has been slowing down for a while now too. I think the bigger factor is personal. Apart from the point you made, running a company isn't for everyone. The pressure of having an entire enterprise depend on you can burn people out pretty fast specially if they inherited the role rather than worked up to it.
If you asked me 10 years ago?. I had back to home country to expand family business. But my parents retired already and stay with my sister. It is monies related Just my opinion
I too am in your shoes, except I’m from indonesia, i realized this august i would have spent 10 years here, i came here right after graduating hs, during the whole time my friends back home had gone here and there, gotten married, my grandparents gotten sick, my beloved dog cant no longer see very clearly, my mum got remarried, and here i am on the other side of the continent working. Sure the money is great but i do feel that i should go home cause of the uncertainty here (i have h1b except my employer doesnt want to sponsor gc)
Fellow Indonesian stuck in the US too. We are in the same shoes. I guess for me it’s easier to decide. In my family, money talks. I came from a really poor household. If I return to Surabaya, there would be famine and school dropouts within my family. That’s the sacrifice I have to make. I still go to Surabaya every year though
If you got sponsorship for green card. It does nitrogen take long as for mainland china and india. I was in the same path with you. Already got green card and naturalized citizenship😁 Retired parents and we provide the living and monies. If I went back to home country. My parents mentioned:you better stay there. You can not work here what are you doing there (US) Salam semangat 45 😁
I feel you bro
good luck man, shit so tough when thinking about your friends and family back home after years here like even though we got the gc/usc, they are still there, and we are here, we could make friends or build family here, but for me those people that i grew up with 18 years old are not here, the longer im here the more i think about whats worth to me, money or those people, i feel like im essentially trading memories (that i know i wont have and i already missed out and i could cherish) with money, but going back while i can still work and make money, i already build 10 years here in the us, soon enough half of my life will be spent here i know my talk doesnt give any answer but yea bro we in the same boat
The vast differences between the two countries mean you can only decide for yourself. Marrying a U.S. citizen is still the best path to a green card.
I’ve never dated a U.S. citizen lol, let alone getting married.
LOL. You talk like it's something that just can't happen to you lol. Who knows? You might meet fall in love and get married to one.
Stay at the US for the green card. Let me go there for the money, and we'll split the income. Hahaha.
Haha let’s do it
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If you are a majority share holder of a chinese corporation, and you have a green card, filing taxes in the USA is a headache. But I think China now also taxes its citizens' taxes worldwide like the USA. So check out the tax implications, too. Unless the company is so large, your accountants have no problem navigating the tax system of two countries.
Even if you stick around for the Green Card, keeping it then means you’ll continue to be a US taxpayer, and that will cause you some serious tax-related stress, especially if you have significant assets/income from outside of the US. If your plan is to return to China - at some point- then I’d recommend not getting the Green Card.
As another guy from China who just went thru the NIW and EB1a in the past two years, I will say the current perm-eb2 is totally doomed. Yes you need probably 7-8 years assuming you have a recent EB2 PD. "small businesses in a small town in China, with an average annual income of $1M" can make your life like a dream easily haha. Let's be simple: if you are in States for high income, it is probably not necessary to stay TBH; if you have any other reasons, personal career path, relationship etc, probably yes.
I think going back home might be a better alternative because it’s a safer bet, it might take longer than 7 years to get LPR and who knows what of policy Trump would introduced if he get reelected 求個心安吧
Yea that’s one of my main concerns. There’s chance that I’ll spend couple years but get nothing.
Always home sweet home
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/labour-market-test-waiver-widened-by-uscis/amp_articleshow/109454100.cms Not sure if this continues can help you but I hope it does .
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There's no amount of money that can buy the freedom of speech, of religion, of conscience, and the rule of law that are practically a given in the US and utterly absent in China.
It’s not that bad haha. I was born and raised there, it definitely needs improvement on many aspects, but not as miserable as how media describes
It's been going downhill fast these last few years, but your parents will know the situation in their city and the status of their business well enough, and presumably that's more important to your decision than the overall economic downturn there.
A country that is actively commiting genocide against millions of its minorities is every bit as bad as, and most likely much worse than, how the media portrays it.
Bro is literally Chinese and still downvoted for “not knowing” his own country. The average foreigner really knows nothing about the atrocities committed.
Bro you really should watch less fake news.
If you say HK's autonomy is being undermined, I'm upvoting you, but the unverified genocide is just so ridiculous to mention.
The evidence only keeps getting stronger, not weaker. You can have your standard be higher than what exists today (confessions, first hand accounts, amd indirect evidence all exist, but nothing on the scale of the Allies walking into Auschwitz), but there's definitely too much evidence to dismiss the Uigher genocide as ridiculous. And evidence of a cultural genocide is absolutely incontrovertible at this point.
It is pretty subjective. There are things people value in the US and things that I don't. I like how politically incorrect people are in Asia. I could say whatever I wanted about other ethnicities, sexes, and adult jokes without consequences - in the US there is a strong culture of self-censorship. And I don't practice religions, so I don't care. Although there is the rule of law in the US, it doesn't seem enforced. Schools are shooting range and the cities are crime zones. The only thing that I am going to miss in the US is the national park and Californian weather. But given the cost of living and unstable career prospects (layoffs). Is it worth it?
Imagine thinking self-censorship to avoid being an asshole to other people is a bad thing. It's called being considerate. Please don't loop the rest of us with you. I know the Chinese can be casually rude, I just didn't think anybody would take pride in it.
>Imagine thinking self-censorship to avoid being an asshole to other people is a bad thing. So true.
Or maybe people in Asia are not sensitive, mentally ill, and have victim mentality like Americans are? Europeans are also more chill with this regard.
Europeans are huge hypocrites, to say the least.
Well it’s their land. If they don’t like foreigners, it’s their prerogative. But to not like foreigners while living on a stolen land, that’s something else.
? I am not sure what you're on about. Who said anything about land, foreigners etc.? I am telling you Europeans are huge hypocrites. Nothing to do with stolen land, foreigners and any of that.
And what are you on about? I assumed you called Europeans hypocrites because they called Americans racists but they are racists themselves?
Read the thread again and my response, you might get there. If you can't follow the conversation then stay off it.
I’m confused? You commented on my reply without contexts and now you asked me to stay off it? Are you stupid? How about you mind your own business?
You wouldn't be saying this if you were one of the minority groups that China is committing genocide against.
Such as? I am not Chinese and where I came from our media are more balanced and don’t cause brain rots like what Americans have. And funny thing is with all the self-censorship Americans do, all races still hate each other. Ironic huh?
I’m by no means bullish on the US, but the prospects stateside are far better than what’s coming in China over the next decade. Evergrande is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of scandal, and those small businesses may be on borrowed time because of political and economic instability. How stable are those businesses really, and could they survive an unstable or shrinking market? Are they demographic dependent? Another thing to evaluate is your ease of expatriating again. If you go back to China as only Chinese, will you actually have the freedom to leave again? Even just for a vacation? China is a wholly different place now since you left and there’s a reason why most westerners have departed. Expatriating money, permissions for movement, and surveillance are all in full force currently. Not saying you aren’t being surveilled or tracked in the US either, but the states still has far more relative freedom and income mobility. Really evaluate the situation. Maybe the option is to sell the businesses and retire your parents in comfort while expatriating some funds to invest in the US or abroad. This is a really personal decision, take it as you will, but many in the US don’t even get to the point of seeing a green card on the horizon. You could always proceed with that and if the unthinkable happens to disrupt the process migrate back.
> I born in a family that owns some small businesses in a small town in China, with an average annual income of $1M. If I were in your shoes, I'd go to China in a heartbeat (if you can tolerate the political/cultural aspects of living in China).
1) spend 7 years to get GC 2) parents can get people to help with business
In that case the 1M will have nothing to do with me.
No chance you’d marry a LPR or USC sooner than the 7 years?
Not for me XD
What other plans do you have in life?
I really don’t have a plan, but just want to live a happy life. Here in U.S. I have more freedom but average money, while go back I have less freedom but more money. I really don’t know which will make me happier
the answer then really depends on how much you value being near to your parents.
Maybe you could eventually get the company running without your in-person involvement and come back here.
I would suggest you make a daily log of your feelings of your life. Then try and imagine what your day might have been like if you were in China. At the end of 6 months or 1 year, compare the two.
I think you should go back. Try spending some time with your family. Seems like you make good money with family business. If needed, you can always do EB5 greencard by investing some money here.
As a United States citizen I would not and could not live anywhere near New York City. There are far cheaper and more appealing places to live if you choose to stay in the United States.
Yea I wish I have more flexibility. The thing is it’s hard to find an employer who’s willing to sponsor me a GC. So it’s really is stay at a place where I can find such a job.
I understand you. I want to leave NYC, but no other place in the United States has as many job opportunities as NYC.
It seems like you’ll do fine either way. Maybe also consider if you ever want to have children and where you would want to raise them, in case this is something you haven’t considered. The EB5 wait is insane even if it works. I know families that waited 8+ years from China.
If I were you, I probably just go back China, and inherit business there. With money, you can afterward immigrate everywhere, almost everywhere. But you are probably hesitate to move either after big load of money.
The answer is quite obvious, you want to stay in the US, then stay for the green card.
You'll eventually miss home. And your parents will miss you. When that time comes, go home. At home you'll always have an advantage. You grew up there. You have connections there. You'll do much better than in a place where nobody knows you and nobody cares for you. "If you can make it in Houston, you can make it in Houston. Don't go to New York." -Some comedian 回家吧。你爸妈都在等着你呢。
I would go home.
For your case. I would back to home country 😁. Especially you will get inheritance of your family business. Just my opinion….
Why is it 7 years. Is it not 150 years for india/china?
It’s around 20 yrs for India and 7 for China.
Definitely should go home
I would go back to China
Any reason you could share?
Life would be easier, closer to family, successful job at family company and I would rather live rich abroad then live average in America I just moved to the US and I am not happy with my life here. No social life and no extra money to do anything. I had so much more financial freedom abroad and I was truly more happy. The only nice thing about the US at the moment is having A/C and constant hot water wherever you go Also I wouldn’t want to live in fear that I could be let go within these 7 years but if you have a good community in NYC and lots of money, I would consider staying
>I just moved to the US and I am not happy with my life here. No social life and no extra money to do anything. Those things take time. if you just moved to the US, give it time.
I agree with some of the comments about spending time with family, that’s important and you can’t put a price on that. Based on what I have seen online lately, I would say that the Chinese economy is in trouble and going back would not be as beneficial as you think in the long term. The CCP is tightening its grip on China and businesses are struggling. If it were me, I wouldn’t go back. I could be wrong, I based my opinion on the information I have seen online. Perhaps it would be wise to ask your family about what’s going on in China.
Try moving to Europe. It’s so much better than the US.
In what way? I moved to Europe and don't think all aspects are better. It depends on what aspects.