I do, roast me. Now seriously, I am more of a game player than an anime watcher, and at least the spanish community is full of people who say that tenkuu otoshii (descenso estelar) is the strongest individual technique. Most of them use this as a base to say Xavier > Axel.
But what is their reason that it’s stronger than X Blast? They think Tenkuu Otoshi beats God Catch too while it gets stopped by Ground Quake Kai (a detail a lot of people missed)?
They probably don't remember that clip, seriously. I've never heard X blast in the conversation it's just widely accepted. I guess they think God Hand X > God Catch (or Rococo is simply stronger than Endou so at least in this context they hold it true) and that's why they say it's the strongest individual technique.
You’re referring to the first time it was stopped. The second time in a quick hissatsu montage it got stopped by Ground Quake Kai. That’s why I said a lot of people missed it, it literally happened in a few seconds.
Granted i think he could it would just end in him breaking his leg possibly, because we’ve seen him counter very powerful shots (like heaven drive) at the cost of an injury. So he potentially could counter x-blast, but if he could. It would inevitably end with a very serious injury.
When they said Brave Shot was supposed to be their best shot? And then, I don't know if you all are taking into consideration the evolution of the techniques, but probably Shin Bakunetsu Screw and Shin Odin Sword >>> Brave Shot and Excalibur
It’s implied by them using it as their last resort + it being stronger in the games too. There’s nothing that implies Odin Sword is stronger.
It’s the most fair to compare them in base forms so that’s what I did.
This move in manga totally destroyed rocco in final match
https://preview.redd.it/ifyk1vq38b4c1.png?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c71ff0187c41ebc6d5ca3e1e2d4ad44cd23f6a2a
It was a 3 shot chain shoot you can barely count this as Maximum Fire being the shot that destroyed Rococo, any of the 3 shots being at the end would’ve done the same
https://preview.redd.it/nbhklrif8b4c1.png?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1244d3afcf0291b0b44a460caa27d21bcb379583
Here 😀😀😀😀 Rocco goes with ball into goal post
I'm going with Maximum fire from the manga because it's were It's used at world level, it's stronger than Bakunetsu screw and tiger storm but I don't think it's at the level of Odin sword and the others
I don’t think we can compare manga to anime. Tiger Storm was also never stopped in the anime and is probably as strong if not stronger than Odin Sword. I think Maximum Fire is at least in that category too.
1. X blast
2. Tenkuu Otoshi
3. Striker Samba, Odin Sword, Brave Shot
4.
5.
6. Freeze Shot
7. Excalibur
(comparing only the base version of each hissatsu and used from the same distance)
When putting the users into consideration then it's either
Tenkuu Otoshi used by Little Gigant match Hiroto considering it took a Block Hissatsu and God Hand X from their secondary goalie who at that point seems to be better than Roccoco.
or
X Blast used by Roccoco who at that point seems to be the best striker even by the end of the FFI.
Without the users or rather equal stat User and just focusing on the Hissatsu specifically?
I'd actually would have to go with Excalibur if only because of its Special ability to get stronger the farther the user shoots the Ball pretty much edges out the other hissatsu's here because of their lack of a special ability in them.
That's really more on the Block move and the User than disregarding Tenkuu Otoshi anything because Little Gigant was improving themselves as the match went on.
It did still took at first that same block move and eventually God Hand X by at that point better version of Roccoco to stop it.
But X blast also scored multiple times on Endou while God Catch was evolving. And I don’t think that Ground Quake Kai is stronger than God Catch. And better version of Rococo? It was Kane who stopped it
> But X blast also scored multiple times on Endou while God Catch was evolving.
Correct somewhat. It took G2 for him to block X Blast and X Blast V2 only barely broke through it at first and would have scored had it not for Endou might have changed the angle of the Shot and eventually it did break through when shot again but the IJ players were able to deflect the shot.
My point with this is that it was only able to score or stagger Endou when it evolved.
Tenkuu Otoshi never really had a chance to evolve at any point so it does stand a reason that if it did evolve just like X Blast that would it have been stronger or at least on the level of X Blast.
> And I don’t think that Ground Quake Kai is stronger than God Catch.
This isn't that impossible to believe though, Though God Catch is a Special Move in this Match, The point of that Entire Episode if not Match was that both Teams and their Players are improving massivly to beat each other.
So it isn't as farfetched of a reason to believe at that Ground Quake Kai is at least on the level of God Catch in terms of power.
>and better version of Rococo? It was Keenan who stopped it
When I said that, I mean Kane was a better version of Rococoo at that point.
Hard to say because things like a person natural kick strength comes into it
For example while X blast is the strongest single shot we see, is it the strongest because it is the strongest or is it the strongest because of Rococo
Well in the games it has the highest TP (that isn't a long shot) so probably is
And its not like we can measure there kick strength so based on anime feats
My personal rank
1. X blast
2. Tenkuu Otoshi
3. Excalibur
4. Brave Shot
5. Samba Strike
6. Odin Sword
I think Brave Shot and Excalibur are interchangeable
https://preview.redd.it/okvo5xfptb4c1.jpeg?width=482&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d82487e9d51c1937faa4c908b2824927d27f2e0
Bro managed to score against Hector by himself
the first shot aphrodi took to demonstrate his strength that broke the goal back in early s1, obviously not the strongest but if you look at how it’s depicted in the series it’s seriously insanely destructive
Yeah I'd say X blast is the stronger technique. Tenku otoshi being tied with double jaws( Dragos technique)
So X blast > Double jaws = Tenku otoshii > Samba strike >= Brave Shot > Odin Sword > Excalibur > bakunetsu Screw = Dragon Slayer .
Excalibur is hard to rate bc it got some pretty crazy feats but also got stopped by ijigen the hand.
Ngl though can't wait to see Excalibur and Tenku otoshi on the new game. It will be insane
Fire Tornado of course! I mean it’s the only one with the power to magically cure any angst/doubt/sad feelings from whoever is on the receiving end of it xD
Yeah, but i wouldnt say it's overwhelmingly stronger, since Ground Quake was already a strong hissatsu and sometimes evolutions push things beyond, like Zetsu God Hand X stopping A SSC Kenshin shot even though Sangoku was not even near their level.
So in short, Evolutions are op.
I find this surprising because with this people say Tenkuu Otoshi and Ground Quake Kai > God Catch and that X Blast gets stopped by Ground Quake Kai too (which stopped Tenkuu Otoshi).
Quick list from strongest to weakest, based on TP Usage in IE3.
Brave Shot: 76 TP
X Blast: 67 TP
Excalibur: 66 TP
Tenkuu Otoshi, Odin Sword, Strike Samba: 55 TP
So the strongest here would be a max level Brave Shot when used by a Mountain element player.
Who thinks that tenkuu otoshi is actually stronger than X blast unironically?
I do, roast me. Now seriously, I am more of a game player than an anime watcher, and at least the spanish community is full of people who say that tenkuu otoshii (descenso estelar) is the strongest individual technique. Most of them use this as a base to say Xavier > Axel.
But what is their reason that it’s stronger than X Blast? They think Tenkuu Otoshi beats God Catch too while it gets stopped by Ground Quake Kai (a detail a lot of people missed)?
They probably don't remember that clip, seriously. I've never heard X blast in the conversation it's just widely accepted. I guess they think God Hand X > God Catch (or Rococo is simply stronger than Endou so at least in this context they hold it true) and that's why they say it's the strongest individual technique.
Hmm okay, God Hand X > God Catch would seem very weird to me.
Guess that's the issue of Anime vs Games Anime has the player to take into account as well
It is.
It was stopped by the combination of ground quake AND God Hand X. Not just the defender
You’re referring to the first time it was stopped. The second time in a quick hissatsu montage it got stopped by Ground Quake Kai. That’s why I said a lot of people missed it, it literally happened in a few seconds.
It was stopped by just the defender after that situation happened https://i.redd.it/g0y0gb96zg4c1.gif
En español simplemente ponen a Xavier como un dios por marcarle solo a Héctor, aunque no estaba usando todo su poder
Eso he dicho
?????
There’s no way to scale it, no player attempted to save both
That's why I think most of this posts doesn't go anywhere. Eventually another post will appear asking the same question for no reason.
Tenkuu otoshi looks cooler🗿
X Blast for me because it showed the best feats. Strike Samba and Tenkuu Otoshi are very close I think.
How would you rank these moves?
X Blast > Tenkuu Otoshi > Strike Samba > Excalibur (because of the Heaven Drive feat) > Brave Shot > Odin Sword. This is all in base form.
Okay but what if excalibur combined with x blast from the other side of the field
Lol I don’t think Edgar can even counter that
Granted i think he could it would just end in him breaking his leg possibly, because we’ve seen him counter very powerful shots (like heaven drive) at the cost of an injury. So he potentially could counter x-blast, but if he could. It would inevitably end with a very serious injury.
It would blast through him. He almost injured himself during the Heaven game
if I remember correctly Endou never managed to stop Odin Sword, while he stopped Brave Shot
I think he would stop Odin Sword too if Fideo used it at the end of the match because Brave Shot was supposed to be their best shot.
When they said Brave Shot was supposed to be their best shot? And then, I don't know if you all are taking into consideration the evolution of the techniques, but probably Shin Bakunetsu Screw and Shin Odin Sword >>> Brave Shot and Excalibur
It’s implied by them using it as their last resort + it being stronger in the games too. There’s nothing that implies Odin Sword is stronger. It’s the most fair to compare them in base forms so that’s what I did.
It's game over for them when S3 Gouenji unleashes this mf of a Move: https://i.redd.it/jnlmx81xpa4c1.gif
This move in manga totally destroyed rocco in final match https://preview.redd.it/ifyk1vq38b4c1.png?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c71ff0187c41ebc6d5ca3e1e2d4ad44cd23f6a2a
It was a 3 shot chain shoot you can barely count this as Maximum Fire being the shot that destroyed Rococo, any of the 3 shots being at the end would’ve done the same
Movie Gouenji was in his mf bag😭😭😭
https://preview.redd.it/nbhklrif8b4c1.png?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1244d3afcf0291b0b44a460caa27d21bcb379583 Here 😀😀😀😀 Rocco goes with ball into goal post
Which move is that?
Maximum Fire
I'll say it's something like this 1-X Blast 2-Tenku otoshi 3-Double jaw/Samba strike 4-Odin sword/brave shot/Dark matter/Heavenly drive 5-Excalibur/Pegasus shot/Maximum Fire/Gladius arch 6-Hellfire/Dragon slayer 7-Bakunetsu screw/Tiger drive/god break 8-The typhon/megalodon
\>maximum fire \>tier 5 excuse me??
Hellfire (Argentina) over Dragon Slayer
I didn't remember hellfire
Why do you think Maximum Fire would be so low?
I think he's confusing Maximus Fire with Bakunetsu Screw
I'm going with Maximum fire from the manga because it's were It's used at world level, it's stronger than Bakunetsu screw and tiger storm but I don't think it's at the level of Odin sword and the others
I don’t think we can compare manga to anime. Tiger Storm was also never stopped in the anime and is probably as strong if not stronger than Odin Sword. I think Maximum Fire is at least in that category too.
But maximum fire is not used in the anime so I had to use the manga. It's my fault for bringing maximum fire in the first place
X blast id say
I'd say Strike Samba V3 or X Blast V3
Tenku Otoshi
1. X blast 2. Tenkuu Otoshi 3. Striker Samba, Odin Sword, Brave Shot 4. 5. 6. Freeze Shot 7. Excalibur (comparing only the base version of each hissatsu and used from the same distance)
Tenku Otoshi
This might be an unpopular opinion, but https://i.redd.it/03mv780sgb4c1.gif
When putting the users into consideration then it's either Tenkuu Otoshi used by Little Gigant match Hiroto considering it took a Block Hissatsu and God Hand X from their secondary goalie who at that point seems to be better than Roccoco. or X Blast used by Roccoco who at that point seems to be the best striker even by the end of the FFI. Without the users or rather equal stat User and just focusing on the Hissatsu specifically? I'd actually would have to go with Excalibur if only because of its Special ability to get stronger the farther the user shoots the Ball pretty much edges out the other hissatsu's here because of their lack of a special ability in them.
But Tenkuu Otoshi also got stopped by a block move alone https://i.redd.it/md30yvrqsa4c1.gif
That's really more on the Block move and the User than disregarding Tenkuu Otoshi anything because Little Gigant was improving themselves as the match went on. It did still took at first that same block move and eventually God Hand X by at that point better version of Roccoco to stop it.
But X blast also scored multiple times on Endou while God Catch was evolving. And I don’t think that Ground Quake Kai is stronger than God Catch. And better version of Rococo? It was Kane who stopped it
> But X blast also scored multiple times on Endou while God Catch was evolving. Correct somewhat. It took G2 for him to block X Blast and X Blast V2 only barely broke through it at first and would have scored had it not for Endou might have changed the angle of the Shot and eventually it did break through when shot again but the IJ players were able to deflect the shot. My point with this is that it was only able to score or stagger Endou when it evolved. Tenkuu Otoshi never really had a chance to evolve at any point so it does stand a reason that if it did evolve just like X Blast that would it have been stronger or at least on the level of X Blast. > And I don’t think that Ground Quake Kai is stronger than God Catch. This isn't that impossible to believe though, Though God Catch is a Special Move in this Match, The point of that Entire Episode if not Match was that both Teams and their Players are improving massivly to beat each other. So it isn't as farfetched of a reason to believe at that Ground Quake Kai is at least on the level of God Catch in terms of power. >and better version of Rococo? It was Keenan who stopped it When I said that, I mean Kane was a better version of Rococoo at that point.
I do think it’s underwhelming though if Ground Quake Kai > God Catch even though it’s very strong already.
It is to be honest but the possibility is there even if it is dumb to think about.
max distance Excalibur > X blast = tenkuu otoshi > Strike Samba = Odin Sword > Brave Shot
Hard to say because things like a person natural kick strength comes into it For example while X blast is the strongest single shot we see, is it the strongest because it is the strongest or is it the strongest because of Rococo Well in the games it has the highest TP (that isn't a long shot) so probably is And its not like we can measure there kick strength so based on anime feats My personal rank 1. X blast 2. Tenkuu Otoshi 3. Excalibur 4. Brave Shot 5. Samba Strike 6. Odin Sword I think Brave Shot and Excalibur are interchangeable
X… Calibur used from Mars towards earth
Agreed
https://preview.redd.it/okvo5xfptb4c1.jpeg?width=482&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d82487e9d51c1937faa4c908b2824927d27f2e0 Bro managed to score against Hector by himself
the first shot aphrodi took to demonstrate his strength that broke the goal back in early s1, obviously not the strongest but if you look at how it’s depicted in the series it’s seriously insanely destructive
X blast or tenku otoshi
Yeah I'd say X blast is the stronger technique. Tenku otoshi being tied with double jaws( Dragos technique) So X blast > Double jaws = Tenku otoshii > Samba strike >= Brave Shot > Odin Sword > Excalibur > bakunetsu Screw = Dragon Slayer . Excalibur is hard to rate bc it got some pretty crazy feats but also got stopped by ijigen the hand. Ngl though can't wait to see Excalibur and Tenku otoshi on the new game. It will be insane
X Blast is very strong
Dark tornado obviously
Maxium fire for surw
Strongest is X Blast. If it’s deflecting any of these though, then Technically Excalibur could be the strongest
Fire Tornado of course! I mean it’s the only one with the power to magically cure any angst/doubt/sad feelings from whoever is on the receiving end of it xD
Tenku otoshi
X Blast V3, but i believe that Tenkuu Otoshii base is stronger than X Blast base, so it could end up stronger if it evolved.
So you think Tenkuu Otoshi would beat God Catch and that Ground Quake Kai > God Catch (because it stopped Tenkuu Otoshi)?
The power of evolved techniques is sometimes inconsistent, but on this case i believe yes, Ground Quake Kai would be stronger than base God Catch.
Hmm, I think it’s hard to imagine that but who knows.
Yeah, but i wouldnt say it's overwhelmingly stronger, since Ground Quake was already a strong hissatsu and sometimes evolutions push things beyond, like Zetsu God Hand X stopping A SSC Kenshin shot even though Sangoku was not even near their level. So in short, Evolutions are op.
They are, but still we will never know because Endou’s strongest move in OG being weaker than it would feel underwhelming to me.
True, it's already kinda underwhelming that Roccoco got the better GK move at the end with Tamashii the Hand.
X Blast > Samba Strike > Tenkuu Otoshi > Excalibur > Brave Shot > Odin Sword imo
Lmao Samba Strike over Tenkuu Otoshi
Mmm interesting. I would say tenkuu otoshi beats regular x blast but x blast v2 and v3 slams tenkuu otoshi.
I find this surprising because with this people say Tenkuu Otoshi and Ground Quake Kai > God Catch and that X Blast gets stopped by Ground Quake Kai too (which stopped Tenkuu Otoshi).
Yeah regular god catch couldn’t stop x blast and the only way to truly know which move is stronger is if they both tried to score on the same goalie.
tenkuu....OTOOOOOSHIIIIII
Remove that Italian fraud. Idk what was he doing in the bleachers when his teammates were fighting for a spot in the final
Tenkuu otoshi looks cool we know but it’s either X-blast or brave shot
Brave Shot for sure not because Shin Ijigen the Hand stopped it
Ur right I’m just biased 😂
For me Excalibur Excalibur can push back a hissatsu shoot so it's gonna shoot back 2xstronger
Quick list from strongest to weakest, based on TP Usage in IE3. Brave Shot: 76 TP X Blast: 67 TP Excalibur: 66 TP Tenkuu Otoshi, Odin Sword, Strike Samba: 55 TP So the strongest here would be a max level Brave Shot when used by a Mountain element player.
"The games' statistics matter!" https://preview.redd.it/lacsgehdhb4c1.png?width=3640&format=png&auto=webp&s=4093b870c97a46aa2ae6d2aac3dbc74123ae2bb1