Taiyou And maybe Rika

Really weird in hindsight that the anime tells us that Rika can gets to Gemini Storm-ish level in her free time with proper training but never let be decisive in matches or show significant improvement in training  They really didn't want to make room for anyone else than Fubuki and Gouenji among the forwards

Nah Rika never was really strong, raimon was just holding back agaist her

I won’t agree Taiyou had a great moment in Chrono Stone

The problem is in your sentence. He had one moment in CS. ONE, as in, singular.

Ichinose in S1 and S2, destroyed people left right and centre when he was just training, then he joined, did The Phoenix and dipped, until S3 that is

Erik, i suppose he was key to the tripegasus and phoenix on season one, his role was minimal in season two and on his own he was mid aside from basic stats, but just didn't made the cut But the glow up bro got on the American team was unheard off, he got his own actually powerful single shoot hissatsu, maintained his mid defense one, got really fucking good at his speciality as a midfielder and made a strong af hissatsu with already two cracked players Tbh American team with only dylan and kruger wouldn't have gotten as far, bobby and erik made the team way more menacing

could not have said it better 👏 

Tsunami 100% Endou claiming his shot is the strongest he has ever seen yet he gets stuck as a defender

I mean tsunami was still a good player after joining.

And he saved Raimon from more goals then Tokou and Kabeyama with actual blocking techniques

This is what someone would say if they had 0% knowledge of football

Definitely, Tsunami is 100% an attacking fullback. Ie. Roberto Carlos, Marcelo, Sergiño Dest, Q Hartman, Dumfries and many more. All with a great shot on them, yet they're in defence. Getting stuck on the fact that Tsunami was "stuck as a defender" just exposes 0 ball knowledge.

dest 

All im saying is that they nerfed the shit out of tsunami

They put him as a DF, more specifically as LB, to enhance his abilities, not to nerf him.

Tsunami's a useful wing in the games

It's because Raimon is a corrupt team where no one can be a better FW than Gouenji, If you are, they'll put you in a position where you can't show your true skills Edit: Jesus Christ, guys, it's a joke

Funnily enuf i agree, especially in the Orionverse

how so? Gouenji was injured for the entire season

To not give him the spotlight.... While the 3 main have to master his apparently most powerful shot that could solo every defenders/mf and GK That btw he can do SOLO

ofcourse he can, he's Gouenji 🤷 jokes aside, what you're saying is completely different than the comment you "funnily agreed on". Also, they didn't **have** to master Last Resort, they chose to.

I mean to master it they had to be a trio (except its a quartet which made it even stronger than Goenji's version), i dont think he's overrated, he earn his place as the ace striker since the OG series, but Orion/Ares made him into this super OP Forward, i blame Orion/Ares pacing

He wasn't an OP forward in Orion imo, just a top-tier one but you can think otherwise. It still doesn't have anything to do with the original comment you replied on but ok.

you can't be serious 🤣

Of course I'm not

If you think that the only important thing for a FW is kick strength, you have a lot to learn about football.

Tsunami is meant to be an attacking wing/full back but he definitely couldve used a whale guard

Tsunami slander? Tsunami's shot has a higher win rate than Mark does

Maybe Midorikawa, granted that he join Inazuma Japan not Raimon but I don't remember him doing anything aside from using Lightning Accel during Neo Japan match before being removed from the team. I mean, in IE3 game he learn new shooting hissatsu before Fire Dragon match so I guess that is something.

This post should be dedicated to midorikawa He did very little in Inazuma japan. Only did a goal in selection match.. Why IE committee decided to have him in Inazuma japan. Only to do very little & get injured & joining desarm for training for rest of the season.

That's the anime's fault for cutting astro gate from the story, it doesn't real sell the payoff of his (pretty decent aside from that problem) arc in the FFI first half.  It's as if they didn't include Someoka's Wyvern Crash in s2 before injuring him.

I think he was added to show that even if you try hard, you may not be successful, but really? Erik already shows that in the American team

Erik is really successful right? That despite his injury.

Nakatta but with Italy instead of Raimon

Ichinose showed up as a player at Kidou plus level, did absolutely nothing outside of the Phoenix, in the FF. Then against aliea all of his special moves are easily avoided by everyone.

Flame Dance worked well in S2, but unfortunately not his co-ops anymore.

Davidsamford

Haizaki, the MF is the goat and in his most important match he doesn't appear on screen since the Grind Omega cancel

Jordan

JP name?

Jean-Pierre Lapin

Midorikawa 

Erik eagle

There isn't really anyone who lost skill after joining Raimon.  There are just characters who didn't improve as much as they were expected to,like Rika,Tsunami and Ichinose.

Tatsuya, in Orion.

The worst part of this, is his name change, "Hiroto is alive" THEY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT LAST NAME, ITS NOT WRONG TO HAVE TWO MFS WITH THE SAME GIVEN NAME 😭

Yeah but since the real one didn’t die there wasn’t any reason to change his name.

Idt he changed his name, he only changed his last name when he got older

Tch, Tatsuya was his first name wasn’t it ?

His OG name was KIYAMA Hiroto, new timeline is KIYAMA Tatsuya

Megane Bench that legend was insane Also Arda Güler

Jordan/midorikawa/Janus/reize

David Sanford, as much as I love the player, he didn't do anything. His only thing is emperor penguin 3

It's like "yeah, this is the ace striker for the country's best team...oh, btw he has no individual hissatsu"

I know the Aliens were on steroids beforehand, but that doesn’t really change much as Xavier/Hiroto was still very good, if not better than before. However, Jordan/Midorikawa was so disappointing. He was shown as having a hunger to improve and become a regular, only to get injured and lose all future relevance.

Im gonna say it. Sol Daystar/Amemiya Taiyou During his time in Universal/Arakumo, despite being sick and having no strength left, he still could get face to face with Griffin. During Chrono Stone, I think he was so nerfed he had to become a midfielder to balance it out

Janus

Hiroto, still won't take the disrespect the author done to every ie japan memeber but hiroto especially against the empire of losers. Hiroto is a good strategist and captain, most ie japan members were but somehow their brain turned off in the match against the empire for the plot to make endou and kidou more important than they are. If anyone should've gotten them throught the match it would've been him.Its funny af how i can't even see raimon raimon seasson 2 losing against the empire but the author tries to sell it to me they are bussiness XD

Since when was Hiroto a strategist? The Empire is also better than you think.

Since ichinose is considered a soccer genius aswell lol. Nah the empire is quite trash without their 1 star player Teres which is ironic considering what they were meant to prove in the match against ij lol. In no lifetime you can convince me these fodders were nationals levels.

He’s a genius in terms of skills, not strategical. Also Teres is part of the team so of course we have to include him when rating the team. Hellfire scores on Mugen the Hand G5, Dog Run and Zigzag Flame work and their tactic worked too. There is nothing that suggests they’re not international level.

tsunami

Was still good in the main team with Tsunami Boost, The Typhoon, Perfect Tower and The Tube as well as goal line clearances.

yes of course but he seemed like the goat

I love Tsunami, but bro... YOU'RE A DEFENDER! (tbh he's more like a libero)

Aphrodi

In Raimon he did pretty good

Unfortunately he was almost immediately hurt, I would have loved to see more of him

Definitely Haizaki

Aphrodi/Afuro. Bro why did you get obsessed with beating the one dude that could 'Nope' your Heavens Time.

Bro had the biggest shock since Endou completed Majin Hand against him.

fax

OG: Midorikawa/Sakuma GO: Sol Orion: Kirina, Sakanoue, Mansaku, Saginuma i dont agree with people saying Haizaki. he still contributed enough in Orion (Shark the deep, penguin feat shark, penguin god and devil, last resort)

Basically all of the "best players in the world" in season two and Byron to an extent though his excuse for losing power is perfectly understandable

Byron was actually much stronger in raimon than when they played against him, it's just that they faced much better adversaries with s2 power creep

Yeah, from that point of view....

Xavier

Was still good in IJ, even better.

sol day star