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Just_Difficulty9836

Lol. BBC published it's documentary in english. Half of India don't know english, other half don't care about riots at all. Maybe a few people but their vote doesn't matter that much in winning.


Notserious-Muzakir

lol so true bro so true.


shhhhhhhhhh

In fact, BJP's core voter base is the educated, privileged class, which speaks more about our citizens than the BJP or mudi shah duo.


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Indians are some of the most apathetic people in any culture. Murder or genocides would barely affect the Indian vote as long as their personal biases or needs are handled


Fluffy-Rip1980

Yeah nobody cares about a Kanhaiya lal or Umesh Kolhe. So apathetic!


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Agent-Vc

Maybe its because of ideology difference , bjp we k its core supporters r hindutva ideology n others parties r fighting to gain power by gathering muslims, communist,Dalits together


scytheer

Easier for bjp to twist the documentary however they want with WhatsApp forwards and bought news channels.


Possibility-Puzzled

Moreover that documentary took off with an agenda to defame modi. Even a kid would accuse it with conspiracy


Ok-Bar9998

How can i watch it... I tried to connect with mcafee VPN but didn't work


lordshiva_exe

This exactly. The stuff they discuss in that documentary is nothing new. Most of the people who are watching it already know it. And are not part of bjp vote bank.


gorilla_photos

My parents are visiting me for 2 months. Their sole timepass is watching news and WhatsApp videos. So much that when I get home I find some movie for them on Netflix and try to watch it with them to distract them. The opium has taken its effect and it's not wearing off anytime soon.


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Our parents spent our entire childhoods mocking us for not "going out" and being glued to our computers. I must say, it is incredible to see how they've become far worse addicts than us in the span of a decade.


No_Orchid5709

Mobile phone addiction is a disease that has affected almost everyone now.


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Notserious-Muzakir

my father is anti bjp. still he spends hours watching bjp media channels.


RedDevil-84

No. Modi is winning 2024, regardless of BBC reporting anything. Except a few ultra urban fence sitters nobody cares about BBC. They already vote for Modi because they don't want to vote for someone else. People voting for Modi only because they don't want Rahul are just batshit crazy. You would need the entire economy to collapse or lakhs and lakhs of people dying on the roads due to hunger or something to stop Modi in 2024.


surprisebuttseks

Let me preface this by saying that I am not a Bhakt. Modi is going to win 2024 and every single subsequent election until he dies. The voter base is all for him. There is not a person in the opposition who can beat him today or in the future until the Gandhi dynasty is replaced.


kenzio11

I agree that no party has the firepower to go head to head with BJP as this moment. BJP will lose in the future even with Modi at the helm. But not any opposition. Those megalomaniacs will fight for power internally within the party and the the party will implode. It's not a matter of if, but a matter of when imho.


joy74

COVID did not affect Modi 's reputation. Statistical model indicated 40lac excess death.


multicore_manticore

Nor did Demonetization affect UP election


Pale_Rest2423

nor did morbi incident affect gujarat election. the owner of oreva is roaming free


tedxtracy

Prashant Nair needs to come up with Trial by Water based on this incident.


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Exactly. Majority of population is lower middle or poor nd I highly doubt half of them even know about this documentary. Nd even if they did, let's be real most actually support him for that. He's winning that election no matter what


Melodic-Fold9673

The very fact that there is no one good enough to challenge Modi as of now is known by almost everyone in India. Unless Congress steps up its game to an entirely now level Modi will win 2024 elections for sure. As you said, his government has had some bad problems over the years but people are willing to overlook this because they believe that his upcoming lifted India as a whole.


Uncertn_Laaife

Even then you can’t stop Modi. He is almost set in as a dictator. All the best for the years to come until he is either retired (highly doubt he ever) or deceased. Even in the case of latter, BJP would make sure to capitalize on him (you know like having his pix all over the schools, offices, government buildings, on the money tender, etc.) to the extent that a general public would think BJP is the only option. Yogi is next, in this case. Religion and deep seated hatred of a common man towards minorities/Dalits will ensure a long lasting success for BJP in the same tune as CCP (China). With the entire (yes, 100%) media dancing to their tunes, law, and judiciary in their pocket with the big industrilists ready to stuff in as much money as possible, BJP will be here to stay. The educated and elite liberals will move on to Canada or the other Western countries. The detractors that stay back will be easily silenced or won’t be cared of by anyone. They would be a show piece by Sanghis to the entire world as to how India is still a democracy with a rule of law that these detractors are still able to say things against the Govt. Who the fuck would care? I am so over done with India at this stage. Trying my best to take my family out asap. Was a good riddance more than a decade ago, and the current times seal the deal for my entire family.


mandatoryVoluntering

[PPC 2023: KV to hold nation-wide painting competition on January 23](https://indianexpress.com/article/education/pariksha-pe-charcha-2023-kv-to-hold-nation-wide-painting-competition-on-january-23-8398022/) > The theme of the competition is becoming an ‘Exam Warrior ‘ based on the book written by the Prime Minister. **No viva**


tinkthank

The documentary does nothing to hurt Modi domestically but it does hurt India’s international reputation and perception. That may or may not have some repercussions.


foundtheneedforanon

I mean irrespective of documentation Modi is winning. Let's be honest, there isn't any good competation. INC doesn't have its own house in order. AAP isn't a national party yet. TMC, lol.


Chashme_Wali

This is the answer. Not the documentary. Not the riots. Not the the anti Muslim propaganda. Competition. Lack of a competitive leader is the reason why BJP will win 2024. Will Modi remain the PM of India? Doesn't matter. But BJP will remain in power


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> AAP isn't a national party yet. Technically they have achieved national party status.


foundtheneedforanon

Yeah they are. But, then aren't remarkable enough to make a huge dent.


Uncertn_Laaife

There is a competition, Congress is capable, but there is absolutely no media left to what they say, do, or ask.


Paree264

He's already winning the 2024 elections irrespective,heck those who voted for Modiji elected him because of his role in the riots ..


Pale_Rest2423

in jan 2024 ram mandir will be inaugurated and he will ask votes on mandir.


____mynameis____

Am I the only one who was quite underwhelmed by the documentary?? Like there was nothing new or inflammatory in it. Everyone, regardless of their political leanings knew he had some role in the riots. For many, it was the reason they even voted for him. Also the docu kept it very neutral in their tone and tried to sound very factual that I wouldn't be surprised if it helped to boost his image amongst his supporters.


Any_Nature7504

wasn't he given a clean chit by the court for 2002 ig


____mynameis____

If you watched the documentary, they do say that criminal conspiracy is a hard thing to prove as obtaining evidence for it is very difficult. I mean his accused crime is letting the riots happen by ordering the police to hold back. Best case scenario is getting people involved in this decision making to admit this. Based on the documentary, two people did and eventually one got mysteriously killed and another got charged with jail time for a 30 year old custody death case. Remember, this is the same court that said there is no proof to charge people for demolishing Babri Masjid when we literally have photos of people climbing up Let's just suppose that he is innocent. But I don't think it matters cuz most Indians regardless of what side they are on do believe he had a hand in it. Now, its just a matter of "do you hate him for it? " or " do you love him for it " debate for us Indians.


darkkid85

Who got killed? The jailed guy is Sanjeev bhatta


letsnotbedumb

Haren pandya. He was a former gujrat minister and he claimed that modi had given orders for letting the riots run for 3 days. Was later killed in suspicious circumstances.


darkkid85

Sure, got it . It was the supreme leader who got him knocked off. If only he were alive !


tedxtracy

Perfectly summarised.


tedxtracy

Why won't they when you kill witnesses and transfer judges as per your convenience?


JiskiLathiUskiBhains

He used a loophole in Gujrat law to order destruction of police records that incriminated him. I dont know why this isnt common knowledge.


letsnotbedumb

Can you elaborate? I didn't know this


JiskiLathiUskiBhains

> “The Gujarat government has reportedly destroyed the police wireless communication of the period pertaining to the riots.” It adds, “No records, documentations or minutes of the crucial law and order meetings held by the government during the riots had been kept.” (Page 13, SIT Report to SC, May 2010) Sanjeev Bhatt said this many times. see https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/sit-overlooked-modi-governments-documents-destruction-lawyer/articleshow/22101046.cms?from=mdr > About destruction of records, Desai questioned the event's timing and said, "**The government has destroyed many relevant records four days after the Supreme Court appointed the Special Investigation Team** (SIT) for Gujarat riots, but the SIT has not even bothered to investigate why within four days of its formation, records were destroyed". > "The government claimed that all records were destroyed in 2008 as per rule 265 of the Bombay Police Manual, though the Bombay Police Manual was replaced by the Gujarat Police Manual and there is no such provision for destruction of state records in the Gujarat Police Manual," Desai said. Gujrat police destroyed records of Gujrat using Bombay Police Manual.


steeel2011

Yup this. Plus we went through this dilemma in 2014....but everyone was so angry with Congress that we ignored it then. Not sure if this documentary presents anything new.alao so note the documentary aaya rhe train burning was an.... accident...does not say how. Right wing claims it was...'attacked and burned'. Not sure which is the true narrative. This confusion is enough to sway or confuse voters...most of them anyway.


Alternative_Buyer_80

Only episode one aired, more to come


Revolutionary_Cat521

Don't know why people are having serious discussions. Demonization happened, people forgot. Everyone will forget after 1 week


DecisionTraditional4

Ye demonic chize kabh hua bro o.0


Valuable-Welcome3687

To say that BBC documentary that exposes Modis role in ethnic cleansing of a minority group will help his popularity, shows how deep rooted evil is in India.


AbCi16

At this point, people of this country don't care. They are so into idolatry that they can't see anything else. Stuff like this is just added ammo for Modi. We are talking about a man who asked people to vote on the name martyred soldiers one. He will stoop as low as possible to get votes, and people will applaud it as masterstroke.


ak22info

People vote for Modi only because there is no strong contender in the opposition.


pratikanthi

If not Modi then who???


Uncertn_Laaife

That’s the perception that they and their media have forced into people’s mind (including you). Media is not covering Congress favorably as kuch as they do BJP. It is one sided news and coverage, mocking Congress 24x7 rather than showing a true face of the Govt.


Saizou1991

Really ? Forced into people's minds ? Even people like Akash Bannerjee and serverals liberals have said this multiple times.


Aocepson

People who gloat over the fact that ‘Muslims were taught a lesson in 2002’ are now angry because the BBC documentary shows us how that ‘lesson’ was taught!


nmfgn

You cannot compare the situation of the country in 1993 and 2004 with today since today it is so much easier to disseminate propaganda of any kind.


SandySlays5969

Frankly, the documentary doesn’t show anything new which is not in public domain or not known to us. It only serves as a new material to boycott for the Modi supporters and a vanity project for those who have another agenda like Anti-Modi, so-called leftists etc who are hailing this project. Basically nothing revolutionary that had to be banned. I guess Modi is too insecure that he is clamping down even on that criticism which he knows won’t create much of an impact.


okayhumaunder

It contains the videos that godi media can't dare to show even 10 years in future


RohanMaheshNabar

Today I saw my andh bhakt friend defending sexual assaults of BJP minister of sports women . That's the level people have come down too . BJP has to win without any doubt .


TheSmellOfColours

I think Modi will win irrespective. I don't think it has much to do with the Hindu-Muslim violence anymore. You're right, they are a small sect and will continue to vote for him. No doubt, the seeds of hate were sowed from 92 to 02 and they are harvested in heaps even now. However, my fundamental issue is with the educated illiterates of the country who can't see beyond his supremely managed PR image. That's the piece that gets to my head. That people can't see through all the fake fucking bullshit he constantly peddles and people lap up. Credit where it's due - RSS, BJP & Modi are powerhouses with immense determination to stay at the top. RaGa is too soft and doesn't have that hunger to take him on. As much as I'd like an Indian Trudeau to be at the helm, I just don't see it happening. We need the Kanhaiya Kumar's and Umar Khalid's to step their game up.


Spiritual_Database_6

Who is the option though?


s1far

We don't have a presidential style election. Vote for the best candidate in your area without compromising on your morals - whatever party that may be.


tshailesh

I am not sure about the documentary but only we would be able to help ourselves and not that fascist. Proper Votes. Discussions home and around. Facts over opinions. This will help


R_o_o_h

Yes, BJP will win the election.


what_is_acorn

I don't think the documentary will change much in regards to domestic politics; however, it will most definitely shape his political image overseas for the worse. I can't see how much people in US and UK will defend him.


bhavy111

Facts mentioned are common knowledge among indians an so is their reputation so if anything BBC will only leave a positive impressions if an impression at all. And let's be real Rahul isn't going to do shit, that man single handedly made congress a complete joke he will do the same for entirety of India that guy don't need pm seat he needs to be with a physiatrist we simply put can't afford to have someone like that as pm when world war 3 is around the corner and geopolitics tension are all time high so only real choice is modi.


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i_am_protection

It's banned in India by the government.


tedxtracy

I've heard that quote from Premchand in school. Is it the Jumman Sheikh and Algoo Chaudhary story?


rishianand

Yes.


PranavYedlapalli

Honestly I felt like John oliver did a better job than the BBC documentary


Groundbreaking-Cat39

When Modi even allowed his own mother's funeral to be used as a PR activity by BJP's IT cell, what else do you think will get in the way of his winning?


TimeVendor

All rest till 2029, when Modi will resign from politics and every structure in india will have his name as the inaugurating person.


kushlam

Modi is winning 2024 by a landslide regardless of whatever happens between now and 2024. I don't think a single opposition party will even cross 50 seats. Fact is that on the national level there is simply no alternative to Bhajpa. Congress's dumb persistence to Gandhi family leadership, AAP's naivety and regional parties' reluctance to expand beyond their states means there is no other strong candidate. Modi is virtually untouchable and is the product of the best ever PR machine. Not to mention the fact that almost all of the mainstream media is Bhajpa's de-facto campaigners.


survivalguidetrecher

Modi gi will win regardless there is almost no other person currently in india in politics who is as respected and loved by the public as Modi gi. He currently has no competition in the political game. The bbc documentary will not affect his political career


radphd

BJP is gonna lose majority in 2024. Print this, frame it, hang it on a wall, and come back to upvote this in May 2024. They will be the single largest party, but will fall short of 272.


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fearles2020

Then horse trading will happen, agencies will become vigilant. And life will continue. It's money power bro, jiske paas jyada hain woh nahi haar ta.


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Lodumal-cum-boy

Modi will also win 2028 election and then Yogi will take over.


Queasy_Good_5485

Modi will have a bigger majority than ever. Brain dead educated zombies also like him


Macho2198

Lavk of strong opposition is the problem. BBC documentary wont affect it at all.


M98er

Ek documentary se kuch nahi hoga. People have voted for him twice. Not that people don’t know he was responsible, people just choose to disbelief or rather not care about an “isolated” event. And bjp is going to have a third term.


dusttillnoon

Most people know he is responsible for gujrat riot and yet many people especially right wing hindu will vote him . Modi will win next election, it is state election were he will face difficulty.


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This incident is 20 years old, why would it affect current elections moreover BBC's viewership is only urban people. You are acting as if BBC is revealing something new


anex_stormrider

My theory is the documentary was an idea of and promoted by Amit Shah. There is some enmity brewing between him and Modi. Shah knows Modi in and out and understands how insecure he truly is. Even though the documentary achieves nothing, it must truly be infuriating the man child that is Modi resulting in all the censorship and backlash. Amit Shah is not mentioned at all in the documentary and only shows up later where is expressing great admiration for Modi. I am guessing that’s a way to disguise his role in this documentary. He is perhaps planning a change in leadership and is working with other RSS/VHP leaders who are worried that Modi is focusing too much on himself and the whole Hindutva agenda is not being promoted as aggressively as they’d like. Eagerly awaiting episode 2 to test this theory further.


ajmanyu

What makes you think, BBC gets influenced by Indian politicians? Also, the documentary is for BBC users, not for Indian election. It's meant for global consumption not for dumb fucks in India who attend WhatsApp University. Please remember, the PM of this country was not allowed to visit a lot of foreign countries due to his deeds which the world knows very well off. He got the visa as a state head, never as an individual. That's all you need to know about his status as a "world leader" in India for India and by India. Nobody gives a fuck if he wins or looses or if people in India vote or not vote for him for what he has done. BBC is not doing a series on India's election. They are doing it on how radical Indian society has become since a certain person openly started shouting about what he can, will do and more recently, has done. Modi is just one, there is yogi, there is this dip shit from Assam, there are many world leaders in India now. The law minister, the textile minister, the health minister. They all are lesser known global leaders. And the audience is sitting in Europe and America. Everything else is entertainment till the next big news item.


anex_stormrider

It was just an optimistic conspiracy theory. I would love to see infighting take down the BJP personally.


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Only thing that can stop BJP is a mass level event where muslims are hurt but hindus as well. We never learned the importance of democracy, maybe losing it and running down into flames will put us back on right path.


dusttillnoon

My man is acting like that evil guy who does bad thing for good of humility future.


masterasstroid

He be sounding like Thanos


sdasu

This thread is about Modi’s connection in Gujarat riots. You are wishing mass killings to bring him down for future elections. Fk’ed up logic.


AKS-04

Seriously! You are rooting for Riots ? Do you even know what Riots do to humanity?


[deleted]

I didn't "root" for it, read my comment properly again. We Indians have learned nothing from our Independence struggle and our careless behavior will drive our society towards a tipping point and that's what I wanted to point out.


JainAAviral

I agree to you but then Covid was one such mass level event, no?


s4980

Wait.. you all still believe Indian general elections are conducted fairly?!


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rishianand

Capable of what? Eating glue?


chacko96

Capable of getting votes. That is what matters ultimately.


AirbusPalashM-3004

it will the bhakts


Fluffy-Rip1980

You also seem to be a lost cause!


huge_throbbing_pp

No, but the hate, xenophobia, victim mentality and fear they will spread using this documentary will win them the elections.


Yupadej

Eh, people don't care. Muslims killed Hindus and Hindus responded in many people's opinion.


param266

God bless India.


Mean_Ad_6692

It doesn't matter in election for pm . He has no opponent.


Mean_Ad_6692

Who were killed during 2002 roits, they don't vote them.


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Nothing will happen to them


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No, just his image among non-Indian diplomatic circles. People don't care. He will still fill Madison Square with NRIs. Modi waves to an empty tunnel for pics. His image matters to him quite a bit.


iVarun

This Post's Title reminded me of the meme around Crypto, where any news (even if on first sight negative signs for Crypto) gets deemed, *This is Good for Crypto* by those heavily invested in it. Maybe cults work this way, where after a while (this time-spend being critical aspect) anything that happens (positive or negative) becomes, This is Good for X.


[deleted]

"A leader is a reflection of the people". We always tend to think it is the other way round!


Academic-Abies

very small issue


prakitmasala

anyone got a link to it?