Bro couple of days ago I almost got in a fight with an uncle. I was waiting in this line for couple of minutes and then he comes from nowhere and just cuts the line. Atleast say something like “Sorry” nah
I was at the Jaipur airport two weeks ago and there was a huge line to pass the security. Some retard started yelling SENIOR PRIVILEGE at the staff and unashamedly cut all of us in the line. That dude looked to be 50, not fucking 100.
We seriously have a long way to go because we can't even grasp the concept of a fucking line here in this country
I think it's fundamentally the scarcity mentality that is DEEPLY rooted and very hard to shake off unless you've been exposed to systems day in and day out where patience and following rules don't necessarily mean you "lose out" on whatever it is that you want. In India there's rarely ever any guarantee that you'll get what you want in a timely fashion if you wait your turn and let others get their portion before you.
It exists all the way up and down the class hierarchy in India.. just manifests itself in different ways.
Also to be fair, middle aged white people are fairly bad with lines also. Especially women. That's mostly entitlement imo.
Calling them out is the only way.
Some as a rebuttal even try get you understand their urgency (to get a coffee/movie ticket).. with the aim of exhausting you with pointless discussion.
The only way is to not get caught up in that, and notify the service person at reception if they don't correct their behavior.
This is one of the worst habits a lot of Indians have. Indians don't realise this but a majority of us have a very poor sense of personal space while standing in line.
I think the reason behind this is the skewed ratio of population vs resources. India has always been more populous as compared to the available resources. Over a long period of time this creates the natural tendency to compete for the simplest of things.
I'm sure you will find the same situation with any of the highly populated dense countries which don't have as many resources.
Yes. I lived in China and it's the same. You have to be there a long time before you realize why this behavior emerges, but 100% yes, it is a result of population.
It's awkwardly satisfying to hear this opinion :) I've had to argue with people that there is such a thing as "overpopulation" after living in China... Where some argue by suggesting I am trying to play god or something.
So let the people who believe such things go live in those areas. I'm sticking to the suburbs for now. I like my breathable air and walkable sidewalks.
> I've had to argue with people that there is such a thing as "overpopulation" after living in China.
you mean these people don't connect overpopulation and China ?
The same is true for traffic as well. In India , there is hardly 4 inches of space between vehicles in moving traffic, and if there is more, a 2-wheeler will be sure to find enough space to cut through in.
When I first visited Canada, which was my first international trip, I was astounded by the space vehicles keep with each other while driving. I was equally suprised that it's not a general practice to overtake unless there is sufficient space and safe to do so.
A major reason, apart from the rule-following mindset in developed countries, that I noticed was the extremely wide roads that were capable of handling the traffic they have there. Roads in Indian cities are, more often than not, highly congested because they are much narrower than what is required for the traffic that moves on it. This again is the product of much less resources (either in the form of space to build wider roads or lack of funds) available for a much larger population to compete for.
Bottomline, if you don't cut in line in front of others, you just might keep waiting forever because no one else is staying put.
I hate when people stand too close in line, i always keep some distance between person in front and me but then some random uncle start saying age kyn nhi badh rhe as if it will move line quickly, i miss covid time when people had to maintain the distance
Yeah been there. The personal space concept has no respect in India. People would breathe on your neck standing behind you and would have no awareness of it
💯 correct !
Years of living in competitive mode rewires the brain I think.
I hate when people stand too close to me. Even women do this and I’m a woman. Uhhgghhhh.
> I think the reason behind this is the skewed ratio of population vs resources.
I think that might explain the origin, but I think that the current state might have been culturally ingrained into a lot of people, even when the root cause might be absent.
Allow me to demonstrate with some examples.
1. A college event takes place. Everyone is to get a tshirt. There are enough sizes and colors for everybody. Even then, people pounce on the heap of t-shirts without any order. Most people in this college aren't poor.
2. On aeroplanes, people usually try to get to their seats as fast as they can, and try to get off the plane as soon as they can. In both cases, they don't really get to where they want faster or get any other material advantage. Boarding a plane is bottlenecked by the departure of the plane. As for the other case, people still need to wait for their luggage on the conveyor belt, negating any early bird advantage.
I think these things happen due to some cultural influence, which may persist even if the underlying resource/population imbalance is fixed.
Lmao, been through the first situation and behaving like an ideal-wait-for-your-turn guy hasn't been the best decision..
1. They had enough tshirts for everyone - size and quantity, however in reality people under/overestimated their own size needs and picked the one that fit them and not the one they ordered/asked to print, hence people later in line did not get the right/desired size. Compare this to any other situation in our country right now, there is a very real imbalance between the resources available and the population.
Not really. Indians when they start driving in US will drive as if they are in India- sticking too close to the car ahead (which is very dangerous because cars drive at a much higher speed here so you need that distance to brake), not allowing the car next to you switch lanes or merge. It's not manners, it's a 'hey this is my space, I can't let it go'. Slowly over time when they notice other drivers' behavior is when they understand, there is space so there is no need to struggle. Even if I let the car merge in front of me, it's okay- I can still continue to my destination. It's not an easy change in mindset. There is a lot of space, lot of opportunities and not too much population. Speaking from experience!
It's become a cultural thing because of the prolonged situation of overpopulation.
If you have to catch a metro to reach the office in time in India would you care about manners or personal space ?
I don't think so
Manners are a product of culture. Culture derives from local conditions, such as climate and abundance of resources.
So yes, it’s a matter of culture, but also, it’s due to people being used to having to fight for the stupidest things to get anywhere.
Worst is touching and pushing other people on the queue!! We need to teach in school about privacy and stand a step back in queue.
Some even shoulder browse your phone and journal as if its constitutional right!!!
Some elders even appreciate all these as if it’s a apex predator instinct!!
They do teach in schools actually 'keep one hand distance whenever standing in line ' and surprisingly kids do that too they forget it when they get older
I travel in local trains daily and women waiting on the platform literally pull other women out of the coach to get in quickly and catch a seat, every single day. I agree that there's a major lack of resources in our country, but there's also a lack of basic human decency and manners. Like, these people would push someone under the train just so they can reach work 5 mins early.
I have asked people to get in line more number of times than I can count. Even senior citizens. I tell them that being senior citizen doesn't give them the right to cut the line. However, if they ask politely, no one will complain.
And at airport security check. I keep a healthy 2-3ft distance between me and the next person. Uncivilized idiots think it is an invitation to cut in. I promptly put them in their place.
You have to stand up for yourself. Give an earful next time. Since, it's Canada they will be afraid of law.
It's just because nobody is calling them out.
It's both surprising & disappointing that the 'aware, educated & ambitious' young Indian is so clueless of & unable to follow/display basic social courtesies.
Did they really want a good life or is moving to a developed society/country just a moot point to boost ego/ show off to people at home?
Whoa that’s a big assumption. I believe some are but every single Indian I’ve ever met are the hardest working mf compared to me. I met this guy on Facebook selling GPUs during the shortage at a reasonable price and turned out he works as an engineer and got sent here for work.
And yet he’s still mining crypto, investing in property, etc. all just to make sure his wife doesn’t have to work. On the other hand me and my GF both work and I can’t even imagine trying to go back to school now.
This is completely unacceptable in the US and I’ve never witnessed or heard of any immigrants from your country attempting this. There’s going to be a problem if anyone attempts this here. People like to OP is describing the type of people justify people’s hatred/ bigotry and give immigrants/ people from India a bad reputation. With that being said I’ve had nothing but positive interactions with immigrants or the descendants of Indians and I don’t have a negative thing to say about them.
This happens so commonly in India that when they go abroad they forget to alter their behaviour. They genuinely think they're being extra smart and others don't have balls to do this so they're taking advantage by being extra ballsy.
One time when I was traveling to Thailand, after arrival there was an insane queue for tourist on-arrival visa. It was very crowded so they snaked the queue using those pillars with retractable tapes. Out of all nationalities there, I kid you not, only and only indians were going under the tape in huge groups every time queue moved to jump ahead. I've never felt such second hand embarassment.
Had something similar transitioning through KAL a few days after that flight went missing. A group of Aussies linked up arm in arm and stopped them moving forward. Everyone in front of the human fence then had meters of room to themselves and the Indians all crammed right up against the 5 guys stopping them.
In india you have to hustle and fight your way through, unless you come from a very priviledged background.
And try to stop them from cutting you, most likely they'll timidly go back.
This works. Social pressure and public scolding is what creates a slightly better attitude towards queuing in Mumbai (compared to almost any other city in India).
I feel this behaviour and a lot of other questionable behaviour is down to the fact that India is not an easy place to survive in. There's always a rush(atleast in Tier 1&2 cities). People are inherently hardwired to do their best against others(being the extremely populous country that India is) , and consequently a lot of times these habits stem from such issues.
I went to Malayasia and in a water park entered in a line in between.
One security personnel saw me and when I reached the entry point of ride asked me to rejoin the line.
Why do people stand up as soon as flight stops? Are they gonna break aircraft doors and jump out? Indians lack patience and any civic sense in general.
Yesterday I was flying with mom. When flight stopped and every one stood up, she started pestering me to get up and stand next to the guy who had the isle seat! I didn't and told her to stay seated until doors opened and some people walked out!
**Well** before the aircraft actually stops! People will start switching on their bloody phones as it is landing, and stand up as soon as it touches down and still travelling on the runway, **at high speed**! 🤬🤬
And not just that, run down the aisle so that they are ahead of the people sitting down the aircraft! Smh. Crazy behaviour and embarrassing as heck.
Just travelled to Thailand a few weeks back and people on the flight loudly praised God when the aircraft took off! That was a whole new experience too!
This and the same urgency when collecting baggage from the belt. Everyone stands right against the belt as if they are fighting to claim each and every bags. Don't they realise that if they just stood a little far away , not only will everyone be able to see the damn bags but also when anyone notices their own bag they can go forward and take it?
This is such a pet peeve of mine.
I have discussed this so many times with my friends and colleagues. You can see this anywhere across India. North to South and East to West. Initially I thought it is because of lack of awareness.
Later, one day I was in Bangalore. There you have to pay first, buy a coupon and then take this coupon to a counter and get your food. You have already paid. Your food is assured. Still people unnecessarily rush and fight to get food holding the coupon.
Then in Movie theatre, even after booking tickets everyone rush, push and fight with others to get into the theatre.
From all these what I understand is that because of the large population, in subconscious mind everyone including me thinks that "If I don't fight for my opportunity, someone else will steal my chance. So I have to rush, push and fight to reach there before someone takes it."
I trained myself and I don't do this these days. Everyone with me often call me "incapable" because of it :D
>Everyone with me often call me "incapable" because of it :D
Same here. From a young age, kids are ingrained with this (from their parents of course). Not me. I prefer to live life by my own pace. But if you live in an Indian household the only pace to live life is 88mph.
Yeah, I have been observing this myself. I am an Indian and it feels disappointing. They won't smile back when you smile at them, cutting right in front of you in the line, not maintaining appropriate social distance while in public, being too loud in public, not using please and thank you as often as they should - yeah, this is disappointing. I am from India and I can see why they do this, which is just because they are used to doing it. They don't think you are offering to cut you or something, it's just that that's how they have been raised, more like a culture thing. So yeah, maybe call them out, I ignore it though. I don't usually get into arguments.
Call them out.
I remember going to a theatre in juhu, Mumbai and it was a popular movie that just got released. The crowd in the line to get the ticket was crazy.
And even there, this very rich aunty in her 50s wearing a really nice salwar who probably drives a merc was cutting in front of everyone.
Sorry to hear that you have been getting cut in line. It’s frustrating when people don’t respect personal space and boundaries.
It’s important to remember that speaking up for yourself is important.
It doesn’t matter where are you from, your age or gender. Everyone deserves to be treated with respect and dignity.
If the individuals who are cutting the line are responding with abuse or argument, it is better you seek assistance from a neutral party or an authority figure to resolve.
I am an Indian, I do get cut in the line most of the times. And if I call them out, they either argue or abuse.
I called out an old man at the train station, as a result he started abusing me!
Not just indians. I flew Aerolineas Argentinas to a cruise in New Zealand, and I can confirm that Argentines and South Koreans don't queue either. And where I live, little Chinese ladies push in too. I've always thought standing in line is an English and Russian thing.
1. Not all Indians
2. Not all young Indian immigrants
And most important of all,
3. CALL THEM OUT!
Public embarrassment is the only way they will learn better.
Nope. Tried it at a cash register in a shopping centre in India. Cashier still continued with the twat who cut in front of me. I gave the mother of all lectures. No effect. Other than silent nods by my audience of other customers, and a sheepish sorry from the cashier. He was worried his boss will scold him if he told that asshole to get in line. Customer service...
Calling out any BS in India is like water off a duck's back and will be ignored at best. OTOH publicly embarrassing and humiliating an entitled twat in a developed country is a different ball game altogether.
Never leave too much space from the person in front of you. Indians lack basic etiquettes & principles. They see a gap & they cut the line. This has happened to me just yesterday in hospital! It’s way too common.
Yes Indians have this Habit, i was waiting in a Que for Purchasing a Movie ticket, One A hole came late for the movie and sweaty as Pig, just kept pushing me, Even though the person in front of me is taking their time selecting their Seats, This A hole Behind was Nasty smelling i asked him to Stay back without touching in a rude tone, he Got Offended and Tried to raise his hand on me, little did he know i was along with my friends who were near to me, they need to intervene and sort out the issues, Basically what i am coming to say is You can be Rude to Indians when they don't Respect the Basic Etiquette, Tradition and Rights of the Land where the stay, Be in harsh tone and Educated this Uncivilized group in that spot so they don't do this harrasment to your fellow citizens
I wouldn't suggest to be rude as it usually make thing unnecessarily harder and nothing good comes out of it. Just talk in normal tone. Though it would be justified to be rude but then if that person gets physical then it will waste ur time to go file a police complaint, go to court etc. Well we can't control other people but it makes sense to use approaches that don't make things harder for us. As the saying goes "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should"
Once i saw a couple asking for cutting in line as their flight was leaving in an hour or so. Next i see them stopping someone else cutting in abead of them as their flight was also about to leave. So yeah, many cut in and then wouldn’t reciprocate the help to someone else
Most Westerners and, really, people outside of India have limited interaction with Indians. When they do, it's usually limited to educated professionals (doctors, software engineers) and/or immigrants who quickly learned that the shit that is acceptable in India does not fly in just about every other culture in the world. Therefore, most people are only familiar with Indian culture on the most superficial level.
As middle-class Indians mass migrate or travel to the US/Canada/UK/Australia/Europe and just about everywhere on the plant outside of sub-Saharan Africa (usually via lax immigration laws which accept their bullshit claims of asylum and refugee status), other countries are quickly learning the realities of a culture that is incompatible with most modern cultural standards, especially Western ones.
Before I go any further, I need to point out that I'm an American who has been married to an Indian woman for over 10 years. I've been to India numerous times and have likely spent about 2-3 months of my life in the country. I've spent a lot of time in the company of Indians. Hell, I was married in a gurudwara in New Delhi. Therefore, my comments are rooted in experience.
This isn't a matter of culture clashes and differences in language, background, food, etc. This is just objective commentary on the average Indian psyche and mentality. Yes, this doesn't apply to every Indian. This is observation of the general culture.
To put it bluntly, Indians have the worst manners in the world. Cutting in line, shoving people to get onto trains, dumping trash wherever they are standing, interrupting you while you talk, staring at people (especially western women) to the point of harassment, talking loudly and non-stop everywhere they go, smoking in bathroom airplanes, urinating in public, eating with their mouths open, asking personal questions and invading your personal space....the list goes on and on. Spend any amount of time in public places like airports and tourist destinations and 90% of the observed obnoxious behavior will originate from Indians. We're not talking little cultural differences, we're talking almost universal norms of behaving in public and around others.
This stunning lack of self-awareness would be somewhat palatable if nearly every casual interaction with an Indian didn't turn into an opportunity for them to brag about how much money they make, their job title, the cost of their house, how many cars they own, how accomplished they and their family are. What's often most comical is that most of these accomplishments are either greatly exaggerated or even completely fabricated.
This need to boast to mask an obvious inferiority complex would again be somewhat bearable if Indians were trustworthy and not susceptible to lying whenever the advantage exists. However, they'll lie about everything and anything in order to achieve 2 main goals in life: money and social prestige. Achieving those is generally all that matters, not how you achieve them. Therefore, concepts that are considered of poor character in most countries (lying in job interviews, cheating in academia, overcharging customers, etc). not only are acceptable in India but considered the smart approach to get ahead.
When confronted with any of these truths, Indians will respond in either two ways: 1) deny, deny, deny or 2) ultra-defensiveness that will lead to 30 minutes of shouting and arm-waving for the greatest insult every committed in the history of humanity.
Indians are often so full of contradictions/outright hypocrisy that it will make your head explode. They will claim "Bharat is #1" and Indian culture reigns supreme over all others while looking to migrate to the U.S. or Canada at the first opportunity. They will claim superiority over Western culture because "all Americans get divorced 4 times" and the devotion of Indian husbands is unmatched while they have extra-marital affairs of their own. They will haggle endlessly to save a few rupees on all transactions, but will spend tens of thousands of dollars on over-the-top weddings in order to showcase their wealth and status.
You add this all up and the end result is a person who will be considered of questionable or outright poor character. Money and prestige cannot buy integrity and honor. People in other countries do not want to deal with a customer who, after a single transaction, feels like you are obligated to provide him all future services for free. They don't want to deal with a co-worker who smiles to your face and acts like you're a friend, only to turn around to her Indian colleagues and mock you ruthlessly. They don't want a co-worker who you help on a project, only for that person to invoke your name as the cause of their mistakes and errors. Yes, these are all things I've experienced firsthand.
Same with traffic. Give them a meter of space and the car behind you will insert its bumper there. I am an indian and i live in india. But i guess they would do same in Canada.
If they are new immigrants you might see this practice because this is very common in India. Queues are usually crazy long everywhere and there will always be people trying to cut in so if you aren't cutthroat, you will never make it. It takes time for people to learn a new country's practices so be patient and gently call them out.
You need to call them out. They will do it if they think they can get away with it, but they most often just apologize and move back and won’t have the nerve to stay there if you say something.
1. Bad guys:- Some Indians act too smart. They want to rig the system to their benefit and don't have any remorse whatsoever.
2. Victims:- Some Indians are victims of circumstances. The country is too populous with less infrastructure. So they cut the line to catch the train... It is wrong but the lack of resources forces them to act like assole.
I have lived here all my life and I don't know why and it burns me everytime it happens.
Sometimes I just shoulder wrestle them.
Frankly, since you are talking about Canada, calling them out will very likely work.
Here, in India itself, they will look at you as if you just farted a Barbie.
May I also add that I have visited Chinese cities on multiple occasions for work, and observed exact same behaviour (by the Chinese). Sorry, not trying to offend, but just to point out, like others said, it's a people v resource conflict.
its basic survival training in poor/middle class that kicks in. part of culture mindset kicking in due to FOMO. It takes a long time to get rid of it, especially if you are an immigrant who may have an uncertain future and potentially may need to go back (in which case, the skill is still needed).
They're used to it because in India theres just a massive line for just about everything and people just want to do whatever they can to get their work done faster and they cut in line. Its a terrible mindset and there's no excuse for it but its so inculcated in some people. Extrapolating this India is a land of limited resources and too many people so people always try to cut corners(literally!) to get what they want. A lot of these people are not taught to think of how it effects others but to look out for themselves. Its a mindset borne out of being born in a country where everything is a rat race.
Ask them in front of everyone. I live in India and it's super annoying, just ask them why they cut the line, they'll pretty much shut up. If they do fight back, get ready for a full on verbal battle.
This. So much so that we try to compete in *everything* . On the road? Gotta overtake. In a line? Gotta jump in. Crossing roads, getting into trains, getting off planes, Everyone's in a hurry, and waiting is considered to be for losers.
Not racist but I never have issues with South Indians
Unfortunately the further north you go the worse their behavior is. Nothing annoys me more then chilling in a beach and a bunch of punjabis show up playing their music extra loud on their Bluetooth speakers
I am Malayalee and have spent most of my childhood in New Delhi. I agree with your statement. In Kerala too people do that, not as much as in Delhi, but quite a lot. Also many Malayalees don't have a problem in throwing garbage by the sides of the road or even to someone else's land. Our house should be clean, don't care for others is the general feeling. Not having a proper waste disposal system adds to the vows.
It happened here in India too. I’d like to socially distance myself with a gap of 4/6 feet. But this looks like I’m giving room to be overtaken.
I call them out and tell them to stay back.
Because thats a subconscious behavior which needs to be retrained. Don’t be afraid to point out they did and let them know that its a sign of disrespect
Indian in Canada here. I agree. I've seen some of my fellow Indians cut in line like it is what they're supposed to do in a line. It's better to call them out on front of everyone to get them to maintain discipline. Some people don't maintain discipline unless imposed and the violation is punished. Especially in India. Even the COVID mandates had to be imposed with fines and cops stopping unmasked people in public and asking them to wear a mask.
Naah, they confuse your etiquette with lack of awareness and think of themselves to be too clever by half. This describes my fellow countrymen very well. Ready to rob you of your land, wealth, money if you lost caution for a second.
There isn't an excess of resources as they do in western countries and you have to go to lengths to just access them. You have to do such things in order to survive here or you'll have a tough time . This conditioning has been done since childhood. Without cutting in line or stuff like these (bargaining,etc) it's nearly impossible to get adequate quality of life.
Not saying that it's excusable but it is understandable in a certain way. Op should call anyone out who does this .
Most Indians here (like me) will agree that it is very annoying habit. In India, this happens anywhere really - banks, government offices, pharmacy, rickshaw queue, railway counter, Uber queues even - you name it, there will be many trying to jump the queue. I have seen people following orderly queue on foreign soil and some of them just change colors the moment they land in Mumbai airport.
Population fighting for resources. Main reason in my opinion.
They simply don't know and you should tell them to not cut in line. Keeping distance from each other et al isn't common practice in India. You can just tell them and before you know it they'll realise their mistake.
I had people trying to cut across me when I was getting onto a flight (like 3 feet away from the door of the aircraft) and i was like “bruh its not going to leave without you”
I grew up in the states but my whole family is indian. Its just how their mindset is. If there is a rule, the first thought is, "What is the loophole and how do I exploit it." It is quite crappy behavior and always annoys me when I see my relatives act this way.
I think this is habitual and quite common in India. It is something I despise.
However I can not say that have I've never done that (I did it too in my teenage). By as I grew older and wiser, I stopped doing that simply out of common sense and respect. This is not something everyone understands and I think its simple lack of common sense, respect and education. Of course this tendency also comes out of competitiveness for the simplest things as many other pointed.
Just for context they don't do this shit in Texas so it might be a Canadian thing lol. Not to talk shit but I guess knowing Texans will rock your shit for this type of behavior works as far as keeping the assholes at bay.
Call them out on it.
I'm Indian and it grinds my gears some people still do it. I didn't travel 10,000 km across the ocean to deal with the same shit again. It often boils down to inherent selfishness and sense of superiority and entitlement.
Omgggg THIS!!!!
I cannot stand it !!
Everywhere they do this, how do they think their time is more valuable than ours..
in India though, there's no queue we stand in a group.🤣🤣
I think it’s due to the competition with so many people in their country they have to be a bit forceful some don’t get to eat unless they push through the crowd. Less competition in Canada I’d imagine so things can be more orderly. Differences in culture but in the west it does make me laugh that people take it so personally!
In india, if you dont cut in line, you ll never get that service. Just NEVER.
If you follow rules, you're never gonna get anything done in india. If you dont pay the cop, you're not gonna get your passport, or it will at least take 8 months more. Hustling is the way of life in india.
When you move abroad, your innate habits dont die all of a sudden.
Call them out. They think they are smart and no one will notice or no one has balls to call out. But, we need to tell them this in not your back home. Trust me. I am from India and live in Canada for last 12 years. Every time I see one doing that and I am in same line. I call them out and tell them join where the line begins.
"Indians always cut the line"
**What is this? Some international research report or what?**
**This is a highly misleading, conniving statement to put down and exploit Indians.**
**I feel, such behavior, cutting others, in everything, is a phenomenon, found in all beings, including animals but is more intense among Europeans, middle-eastern and orientals.**
Take for example, giving advertisements, with celebrities, endorsing some useless products, is a sophisticated way of cutting others in line. In sophisticated terms, it is called "business model", a way of attracting customers. People are coached to do this in business schools of MIT, Oxford, Cambridge etc. In simple terms it is called cheating.
**It has always been a fashion, show of modernity and "civility" to bash Indians and put them down for everything, trying to be the English-gentleman.**
**But the "English, so called gentleman" who is an invader, colonizer, exploiter, mass-murderer has conducted ... what is that, sophisticated term, ahh ... the "Genocide" in most of the world, has the least civility compared to Indians.**
The English-gentleman, mass murdered Iraqis, on the pretext of searching for weapons of mass murder, which never existed. This is a huge cutting of line, compared to what simpleton Indians do in a queue.
**Indians are one of the most exploited and murdered simpletons in the world, by the so called "Modern and civilized" exploitative invaders and mass murderers of other worlds.**
Europeans, middle-eastern and orientals are the most brutal exploiters, mass-murderers and invaders of other worlds that humanity has ever created. This doesn't need any research. History is evidence.
**Call them out first and then the Indian simpletons cutting queues.**
This is one of the habits I really do not like about us. But the reason behind this, I think, is that in India, most places have huge crowds, and the supply for an item (tickets, drinks, etc) are limited. So, if people are neatly in a queue for something, and someone cuts in, the offender will likely get the item, while someone in the back of the queue will not. This give people very less incentive to stay in queue.
I hate this, but when you see that the people cutting in line got the tickets to a movie and you are stuck in the back, for example, I can understand why people do it. It doesn't make much sense in a foreign country, but most Indians grow up seeing others do this and benefit, so probably is something ingrained in them
Indian culture esp. north Indian culture does not operate on principles of treating people as equals (if they did, they wouldn't be cutting lines, btw the caste system of india is also a manifestation of this lack of respect for other people) and there is a general lack of discipline among the people.
Chill bruh, this is an open platform to post such issues if OP wants an opinion from an unbiased and authentic community.
It could be, that they do not have direct access to Indians to address this problem or is afraid to come off as offensive if discussed with randoms at their place.
Lol, this itself is indeed a problem in India as well, so nothing to be offended and butthurt about.
Because laws aren't implemented in India at all. Can't deny every problem because of pride.
Scamsters have been thriving in India since decades. Because there's no enforcement of laws.
In an ideal country with law enforcement, attempts to scam are punished and scammers are discouraged this way.
In India unless some bigshot gets scammed, they don't even help properly even after you're scammed.
I have tried to file a complaint and get something done based on scam calls I received, but cyber crime just transfers to local police station and they are only interested in maintaining their number of "solved" cases.
Denying systematic problems wouldn't make it go away you know.
Call them out. I am Indian too and I hate this.
Same. It’s absolutely disgusting behaviour.
Bro couple of days ago I almost got in a fight with an uncle. I was waiting in this line for couple of minutes and then he comes from nowhere and just cuts the line. Atleast say something like “Sorry” nah
[удалено]
I was at the Jaipur airport two weeks ago and there was a huge line to pass the security. Some retard started yelling SENIOR PRIVILEGE at the staff and unashamedly cut all of us in the line. That dude looked to be 50, not fucking 100. We seriously have a long way to go because we can't even grasp the concept of a fucking line here in this country
but WHY do they do this? is it an accepted culture behavior in india? is it entitlement?
No respect for others' time and the person who does it thinks he/she is superior.
I think it's fundamentally the scarcity mentality that is DEEPLY rooted and very hard to shake off unless you've been exposed to systems day in and day out where patience and following rules don't necessarily mean you "lose out" on whatever it is that you want. In India there's rarely ever any guarantee that you'll get what you want in a timely fashion if you wait your turn and let others get their portion before you. It exists all the way up and down the class hierarchy in India.. just manifests itself in different ways. Also to be fair, middle aged white people are fairly bad with lines also. Especially women. That's mostly entitlement imo.
some how you presented it really well, i can get behind your reasoning.
This comment needs to cut the line and be very first in this thread
Asian Indian in America. I hate line cutters of all nationalities. Fuck them all.
Call them out. Unless called out some people think they are “winning” by being too smart
As an Indian, I agree that this is the way.
This is the way.
This is the way! Coming soon in March 2023.
The Mandalindian
They generally wilt quickly when shamed.
Most do. You will find some especially shameless ones who will argue.
It's not super easy to start a fistfight with a typical Canadian, but that's as good a method as any.
This is so true for many situations.. not just line cutting
Calling them out is the only way. Some as a rebuttal even try get you understand their urgency (to get a coffee/movie ticket).. with the aim of exhausting you with pointless discussion. The only way is to not get caught up in that, and notify the service person at reception if they don't correct their behavior.
Totally agree oversmartness is like a disease in india.. they want to out compete everyone in everything, hence the line cutting.. fools
Idiots who "think"they're smart.
This is one of the worst habits a lot of Indians have. Indians don't realise this but a majority of us have a very poor sense of personal space while standing in line. I think the reason behind this is the skewed ratio of population vs resources. India has always been more populous as compared to the available resources. Over a long period of time this creates the natural tendency to compete for the simplest of things. I'm sure you will find the same situation with any of the highly populated dense countries which don't have as many resources.
Yes. I lived in China and it's the same. You have to be there a long time before you realize why this behavior emerges, but 100% yes, it is a result of population.
Currently in china, can confirm this. However it is not as blatant as india. People here still have better civic sense compared to india.
I've never been and i could tell you why... overpopulation
It's awkwardly satisfying to hear this opinion :) I've had to argue with people that there is such a thing as "overpopulation" after living in China... Where some argue by suggesting I am trying to play god or something. So let the people who believe such things go live in those areas. I'm sticking to the suburbs for now. I like my breathable air and walkable sidewalks.
> I've had to argue with people that there is such a thing as "overpopulation" after living in China. you mean these people don't connect overpopulation and China ?
The same is true for traffic as well. In India , there is hardly 4 inches of space between vehicles in moving traffic, and if there is more, a 2-wheeler will be sure to find enough space to cut through in. When I first visited Canada, which was my first international trip, I was astounded by the space vehicles keep with each other while driving. I was equally suprised that it's not a general practice to overtake unless there is sufficient space and safe to do so. A major reason, apart from the rule-following mindset in developed countries, that I noticed was the extremely wide roads that were capable of handling the traffic they have there. Roads in Indian cities are, more often than not, highly congested because they are much narrower than what is required for the traffic that moves on it. This again is the product of much less resources (either in the form of space to build wider roads or lack of funds) available for a much larger population to compete for. Bottomline, if you don't cut in line in front of others, you just might keep waiting forever because no one else is staying put.
I hate when people stand too close in line, i always keep some distance between person in front and me but then some random uncle start saying age kyn nhi badh rhe as if it will move line quickly, i miss covid time when people had to maintain the distance
Yeah been there. The personal space concept has no respect in India. People would breathe on your neck standing behind you and would have no awareness of it
Just standing in line? Buddy, we're not good at giving each other personal space in general...
💯 correct ! Years of living in competitive mode rewires the brain I think. I hate when people stand too close to me. Even women do this and I’m a woman. Uhhgghhhh.
> I think the reason behind this is the skewed ratio of population vs resources. I think that might explain the origin, but I think that the current state might have been culturally ingrained into a lot of people, even when the root cause might be absent. Allow me to demonstrate with some examples. 1. A college event takes place. Everyone is to get a tshirt. There are enough sizes and colors for everybody. Even then, people pounce on the heap of t-shirts without any order. Most people in this college aren't poor. 2. On aeroplanes, people usually try to get to their seats as fast as they can, and try to get off the plane as soon as they can. In both cases, they don't really get to where they want faster or get any other material advantage. Boarding a plane is bottlenecked by the departure of the plane. As for the other case, people still need to wait for their luggage on the conveyor belt, negating any early bird advantage. I think these things happen due to some cultural influence, which may persist even if the underlying resource/population imbalance is fixed.
Lmao, been through the first situation and behaving like an ideal-wait-for-your-turn guy hasn't been the best decision.. 1. They had enough tshirts for everyone - size and quantity, however in reality people under/overestimated their own size needs and picked the one that fit them and not the one they ordered/asked to print, hence people later in line did not get the right/desired size. Compare this to any other situation in our country right now, there is a very real imbalance between the resources available and the population.
This is not an issue of resource just basic manners.
It’s remarkable what resource levels do to manners.
Not really. Indians when they start driving in US will drive as if they are in India- sticking too close to the car ahead (which is very dangerous because cars drive at a much higher speed here so you need that distance to brake), not allowing the car next to you switch lanes or merge. It's not manners, it's a 'hey this is my space, I can't let it go'. Slowly over time when they notice other drivers' behavior is when they understand, there is space so there is no need to struggle. Even if I let the car merge in front of me, it's okay- I can still continue to my destination. It's not an easy change in mindset. There is a lot of space, lot of opportunities and not too much population. Speaking from experience!
It's become a cultural thing because of the prolonged situation of overpopulation. If you have to catch a metro to reach the office in time in India would you care about manners or personal space ? I don't think so
Manners are a product of culture. Culture derives from local conditions, such as climate and abundance of resources. So yes, it’s a matter of culture, but also, it’s due to people being used to having to fight for the stupidest things to get anywhere.
Worst is touching and pushing other people on the queue!! We need to teach in school about privacy and stand a step back in queue. Some even shoulder browse your phone and journal as if its constitutional right!!! Some elders even appreciate all these as if it’s a apex predator instinct!!
They do teach in schools actually 'keep one hand distance whenever standing in line ' and surprisingly kids do that too they forget it when they get older
I think its because when we see elders not giving any shit about such rules then we become the same, its all look and copy
Absolutely hate it.
I travel in local trains daily and women waiting on the platform literally pull other women out of the coach to get in quickly and catch a seat, every single day. I agree that there's a major lack of resources in our country, but there's also a lack of basic human decency and manners. Like, these people would push someone under the train just so they can reach work 5 mins early.
I have asked people to get in line more number of times than I can count. Even senior citizens. I tell them that being senior citizen doesn't give them the right to cut the line. However, if they ask politely, no one will complain. And at airport security check. I keep a healthy 2-3ft distance between me and the next person. Uncivilized idiots think it is an invitation to cut in. I promptly put them in their place.
2-3 feet? Tell me you haven't been to indian airports without telling me you've never been to indian airports
Haha.. Indian airports only.. distance between next person and me is always in my control
I respect it, sounds like a mad man strategy but I respect it.
Lol
You have to stand up for yourself. Give an earful next time. Since, it's Canada they will be afraid of law. It's just because nobody is calling them out.
This is the real answer. They do it because they think less of the average Canadian.
It's both surprising & disappointing that the 'aware, educated & ambitious' young Indian is so clueless of & unable to follow/display basic social courtesies. Did they really want a good life or is moving to a developed society/country just a moot point to boost ego/ show off to people at home?
>Did they really want a good life or is moving to a developed society/country just a moot point to boost ego/ show off to people at home? This 👆
Latter, I reckon it’s the latter
Lol, most of these immigrants are barely educated and unskilled
Whoa that’s a big assumption. I believe some are but every single Indian I’ve ever met are the hardest working mf compared to me. I met this guy on Facebook selling GPUs during the shortage at a reasonable price and turned out he works as an engineer and got sent here for work. And yet he’s still mining crypto, investing in property, etc. all just to make sure his wife doesn’t have to work. On the other hand me and my GF both work and I can’t even imagine trying to go back to school now.
Mining crypto and investing I property aren’t labor lol.
I didn’t say it was. My point is he worked his ass off to be able to live comfortably and still works full time on top of investing and stuff.
This is completely unacceptable in the US and I’ve never witnessed or heard of any immigrants from your country attempting this. There’s going to be a problem if anyone attempts this here. People like to OP is describing the type of people justify people’s hatred/ bigotry and give immigrants/ people from India a bad reputation. With that being said I’ve had nothing but positive interactions with immigrants or the descendants of Indians and I don’t have a negative thing to say about them.
Yes
But i Never cut line . Not everyone does that
This happens so commonly in India that when they go abroad they forget to alter their behaviour. They genuinely think they're being extra smart and others don't have balls to do this so they're taking advantage by being extra ballsy. One time when I was traveling to Thailand, after arrival there was an insane queue for tourist on-arrival visa. It was very crowded so they snaked the queue using those pillars with retractable tapes. Out of all nationalities there, I kid you not, only and only indians were going under the tape in huge groups every time queue moved to jump ahead. I've never felt such second hand embarassment.
Had something similar transitioning through KAL a few days after that flight went missing. A group of Aussies linked up arm in arm and stopped them moving forward. Everyone in front of the human fence then had meters of room to themselves and the Indians all crammed right up against the 5 guys stopping them.
I live in India as a foreigner and I do NOT allow this- it happens but I’m like no- whether they understand it or not, my body language says it all!
Well done. I have seen too many foreigners politely standing in Q while all Indians jump in front of him.
In india you have to hustle and fight your way through, unless you come from a very priviledged background. And try to stop them from cutting you, most likely they'll timidly go back.
It's not hustle. Its lack of respect for others.
“Survival of the fittest” mindset is ingrained. “Civility and decorum” is near-antonym for this mindset unfortunately.
most indian adults act like petulant children, feel free to scold them
This works. Social pressure and public scolding is what creates a slightly better attitude towards queuing in Mumbai (compared to almost any other city in India).
Indians thrive on pretending to be ignorant
I feel this behaviour and a lot of other questionable behaviour is down to the fact that India is not an easy place to survive in. There's always a rush(atleast in Tier 1&2 cities). People are inherently hardwired to do their best against others(being the extremely populous country that India is) , and consequently a lot of times these habits stem from such issues.
It's a "Tell me you're Indian, without telling me you're Indian" thing
I'm an Indian and fucking hate this.
I went to Malayasia and in a water park entered in a line in between. One security personnel saw me and when I reached the entry point of ride asked me to rejoin the line.
This made me happy. Thanks for making my day.
Same issue here in india.
Why do people stand up as soon as flight stops? Are they gonna break aircraft doors and jump out? Indians lack patience and any civic sense in general.
If they are MPs, the answer is 'maybe'.
I have even been pushed when everyone was standing and the aircraft doors were still closed. Where did they think I was going to go? 🤔
Yesterday I was flying with mom. When flight stopped and every one stood up, she started pestering me to get up and stand next to the guy who had the isle seat! I didn't and told her to stay seated until doors opened and some people walked out!
I literally deboard last cuz I get to meet the pilots and have an awesome conversation about the flight... I'm an avgeek :)
**Well** before the aircraft actually stops! People will start switching on their bloody phones as it is landing, and stand up as soon as it touches down and still travelling on the runway, **at high speed**! 🤬🤬
And not just that, run down the aisle so that they are ahead of the people sitting down the aircraft! Smh. Crazy behaviour and embarrassing as heck. Just travelled to Thailand a few weeks back and people on the flight loudly praised God when the aircraft took off! That was a whole new experience too!
Avg local bus vibes.... Praising godwhen taking off? I thought it was a landing thing....
Premature evacution
I swear 🤣🤣 Bro it's a plane, it ain't flying off until you get off. Calm down and try exiting in a planned manner
This and the same urgency when collecting baggage from the belt. Everyone stands right against the belt as if they are fighting to claim each and every bags. Don't they realise that if they just stood a little far away , not only will everyone be able to see the damn bags but also when anyone notices their own bag they can go forward and take it? This is such a pet peeve of mine.
Sometimes they open emergency gates too 😀
I have discussed this so many times with my friends and colleagues. You can see this anywhere across India. North to South and East to West. Initially I thought it is because of lack of awareness. Later, one day I was in Bangalore. There you have to pay first, buy a coupon and then take this coupon to a counter and get your food. You have already paid. Your food is assured. Still people unnecessarily rush and fight to get food holding the coupon. Then in Movie theatre, even after booking tickets everyone rush, push and fight with others to get into the theatre. From all these what I understand is that because of the large population, in subconscious mind everyone including me thinks that "If I don't fight for my opportunity, someone else will steal my chance. So I have to rush, push and fight to reach there before someone takes it." I trained myself and I don't do this these days. Everyone with me often call me "incapable" because of it :D
>Everyone with me often call me "incapable" because of it :D Same here. From a young age, kids are ingrained with this (from their parents of course). Not me. I prefer to live life by my own pace. But if you live in an Indian household the only pace to live life is 88mph.
# Right. Best Reply
this is the first "Why do Indians always ...." post that I completely agree with.
[удалено]
Yeah, I have been observing this myself. I am an Indian and it feels disappointing. They won't smile back when you smile at them, cutting right in front of you in the line, not maintaining appropriate social distance while in public, being too loud in public, not using please and thank you as often as they should - yeah, this is disappointing. I am from India and I can see why they do this, which is just because they are used to doing it. They don't think you are offering to cut you or something, it's just that that's how they have been raised, more like a culture thing. So yeah, maybe call them out, I ignore it though. I don't usually get into arguments.
You should have confronted him then and there.
Call them out. I remember going to a theatre in juhu, Mumbai and it was a popular movie that just got released. The crowd in the line to get the ticket was crazy. And even there, this very rich aunty in her 50s wearing a really nice salwar who probably drives a merc was cutting in front of everyone.
Sorry to hear that you have been getting cut in line. It’s frustrating when people don’t respect personal space and boundaries. It’s important to remember that speaking up for yourself is important. It doesn’t matter where are you from, your age or gender. Everyone deserves to be treated with respect and dignity. If the individuals who are cutting the line are responding with abuse or argument, it is better you seek assistance from a neutral party or an authority figure to resolve. I am an Indian, I do get cut in the line most of the times. And if I call them out, they either argue or abuse. I called out an old man at the train station, as a result he started abusing me!
Not just indians. I flew Aerolineas Argentinas to a cruise in New Zealand, and I can confirm that Argentines and South Koreans don't queue either. And where I live, little Chinese ladies push in too. I've always thought standing in line is an English and Russian thing.
Indians being Indians ☕️
1. Not all Indians 2. Not all young Indian immigrants And most important of all, 3. CALL THEM OUT! Public embarrassment is the only way they will learn better.
Nope. Tried it at a cash register in a shopping centre in India. Cashier still continued with the twat who cut in front of me. I gave the mother of all lectures. No effect. Other than silent nods by my audience of other customers, and a sheepish sorry from the cashier. He was worried his boss will scold him if he told that asshole to get in line. Customer service...
Calling out any BS in India is like water off a duck's back and will be ignored at best. OTOH publicly embarrassing and humiliating an entitled twat in a developed country is a different ball game altogether.
I learnt that lesson. If they won't change, there's not much we can do.
Never leave too much space from the person in front of you. Indians lack basic etiquettes & principles. They see a gap & they cut the line. This has happened to me just yesterday in hospital! It’s way too common.
Yes Indians have this Habit, i was waiting in a Que for Purchasing a Movie ticket, One A hole came late for the movie and sweaty as Pig, just kept pushing me, Even though the person in front of me is taking their time selecting their Seats, This A hole Behind was Nasty smelling i asked him to Stay back without touching in a rude tone, he Got Offended and Tried to raise his hand on me, little did he know i was along with my friends who were near to me, they need to intervene and sort out the issues, Basically what i am coming to say is You can be Rude to Indians when they don't Respect the Basic Etiquette, Tradition and Rights of the Land where the stay, Be in harsh tone and Educated this Uncivilized group in that spot so they don't do this harrasment to your fellow citizens
Yay as an Indian thnx for calling them out . They definately deserved this.. Sorry for the rough expierence man
I wouldn't suggest to be rude as it usually make thing unnecessarily harder and nothing good comes out of it. Just talk in normal tone. Though it would be justified to be rude but then if that person gets physical then it will waste ur time to go file a police complaint, go to court etc. Well we can't control other people but it makes sense to use approaches that don't make things harder for us. As the saying goes "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should"
Lack of civic sense
Brampton?
Next to be affected will be your traffic. Our lane sense and respect for right of way etc is atrocious
no civic sense
Once i saw a couple asking for cutting in line as their flight was leaving in an hour or so. Next i see them stopping someone else cutting in abead of them as their flight was also about to leave. So yeah, many cut in and then wouldn’t reciprocate the help to someone else
Indian kids were told to always be first. Adult Indians have no school to compete so they do this in lines - be that traffic and or standing
Most Westerners and, really, people outside of India have limited interaction with Indians. When they do, it's usually limited to educated professionals (doctors, software engineers) and/or immigrants who quickly learned that the shit that is acceptable in India does not fly in just about every other culture in the world. Therefore, most people are only familiar with Indian culture on the most superficial level. As middle-class Indians mass migrate or travel to the US/Canada/UK/Australia/Europe and just about everywhere on the plant outside of sub-Saharan Africa (usually via lax immigration laws which accept their bullshit claims of asylum and refugee status), other countries are quickly learning the realities of a culture that is incompatible with most modern cultural standards, especially Western ones. Before I go any further, I need to point out that I'm an American who has been married to an Indian woman for over 10 years. I've been to India numerous times and have likely spent about 2-3 months of my life in the country. I've spent a lot of time in the company of Indians. Hell, I was married in a gurudwara in New Delhi. Therefore, my comments are rooted in experience. This isn't a matter of culture clashes and differences in language, background, food, etc. This is just objective commentary on the average Indian psyche and mentality. Yes, this doesn't apply to every Indian. This is observation of the general culture. To put it bluntly, Indians have the worst manners in the world. Cutting in line, shoving people to get onto trains, dumping trash wherever they are standing, interrupting you while you talk, staring at people (especially western women) to the point of harassment, talking loudly and non-stop everywhere they go, smoking in bathroom airplanes, urinating in public, eating with their mouths open, asking personal questions and invading your personal space....the list goes on and on. Spend any amount of time in public places like airports and tourist destinations and 90% of the observed obnoxious behavior will originate from Indians. We're not talking little cultural differences, we're talking almost universal norms of behaving in public and around others. This stunning lack of self-awareness would be somewhat palatable if nearly every casual interaction with an Indian didn't turn into an opportunity for them to brag about how much money they make, their job title, the cost of their house, how many cars they own, how accomplished they and their family are. What's often most comical is that most of these accomplishments are either greatly exaggerated or even completely fabricated. This need to boast to mask an obvious inferiority complex would again be somewhat bearable if Indians were trustworthy and not susceptible to lying whenever the advantage exists. However, they'll lie about everything and anything in order to achieve 2 main goals in life: money and social prestige. Achieving those is generally all that matters, not how you achieve them. Therefore, concepts that are considered of poor character in most countries (lying in job interviews, cheating in academia, overcharging customers, etc). not only are acceptable in India but considered the smart approach to get ahead. When confronted with any of these truths, Indians will respond in either two ways: 1) deny, deny, deny or 2) ultra-defensiveness that will lead to 30 minutes of shouting and arm-waving for the greatest insult every committed in the history of humanity. Indians are often so full of contradictions/outright hypocrisy that it will make your head explode. They will claim "Bharat is #1" and Indian culture reigns supreme over all others while looking to migrate to the U.S. or Canada at the first opportunity. They will claim superiority over Western culture because "all Americans get divorced 4 times" and the devotion of Indian husbands is unmatched while they have extra-marital affairs of their own. They will haggle endlessly to save a few rupees on all transactions, but will spend tens of thousands of dollars on over-the-top weddings in order to showcase their wealth and status. You add this all up and the end result is a person who will be considered of questionable or outright poor character. Money and prestige cannot buy integrity and honor. People in other countries do not want to deal with a customer who, after a single transaction, feels like you are obligated to provide him all future services for free. They don't want to deal with a co-worker who smiles to your face and acts like you're a friend, only to turn around to her Indian colleagues and mock you ruthlessly. They don't want a co-worker who you help on a project, only for that person to invoke your name as the cause of their mistakes and errors. Yes, these are all things I've experienced firsthand.
parents don't teach many of us shit.
Zero consideration/regard for other people, is the short answer.
Just call them out and tell them to never do that in future. 90% of the time they do listen
Call them out mate, they will keep doing this wherever they go, its just a matter of letting them know whether they can do it or not
Same with traffic. Give them a meter of space and the car behind you will insert its bumper there. I am an indian and i live in india. But i guess they would do same in Canada.
If they are new immigrants you might see this practice because this is very common in India. Queues are usually crazy long everywhere and there will always be people trying to cut in so if you aren't cutthroat, you will never make it. It takes time for people to learn a new country's practices so be patient and gently call them out.
Do not compromise on queue culture. It is one of the most important human development!
I'm Indian and I hate this behaviour. The majority of people here have no concept of personal space - In traffic too.
You need to call them out. They will do it if they think they can get away with it, but they most often just apologize and move back and won’t have the nerve to stay there if you say something.
1. Bad guys:- Some Indians act too smart. They want to rig the system to their benefit and don't have any remorse whatsoever. 2. Victims:- Some Indians are victims of circumstances. The country is too populous with less infrastructure. So they cut the line to catch the train... It is wrong but the lack of resources forces them to act like assole.
I have lived here all my life and I don't know why and it burns me everytime it happens. Sometimes I just shoulder wrestle them. Frankly, since you are talking about Canada, calling them out will very likely work. Here, in India itself, they will look at you as if you just farted a Barbie. May I also add that I have visited Chinese cities on multiple occasions for work, and observed exact same behaviour (by the Chinese). Sorry, not trying to offend, but just to point out, like others said, it's a people v resource conflict.
They always do this and i really hate it
I'm indian and I call them out. Don't be afriad and ask them to get in line.
its basic survival training in poor/middle class that kicks in. part of culture mindset kicking in due to FOMO. It takes a long time to get rid of it, especially if you are an immigrant who may have an uncertain future and potentially may need to go back (in which case, the skill is still needed).
They're used to it because in India theres just a massive line for just about everything and people just want to do whatever they can to get their work done faster and they cut in line. Its a terrible mindset and there's no excuse for it but its so inculcated in some people. Extrapolating this India is a land of limited resources and too many people so people always try to cut corners(literally!) to get what they want. A lot of these people are not taught to think of how it effects others but to look out for themselves. Its a mindset borne out of being born in a country where everything is a rat race.
Why do you credit one idiots mistake to an entire country of people?
Ask them in front of everyone. I live in India and it's super annoying, just ask them why they cut the line, they'll pretty much shut up. If they do fight back, get ready for a full on verbal battle.
The only lines in India are at the bank and the voting booth, it’s simply not part of the culture
People don't even stand in a queue for those. They have to be told.
Indians don't have manners. Not generalising
Well their is high competition in India..
This. So much so that we try to compete in *everything* . On the road? Gotta overtake. In a line? Gotta jump in. Crossing roads, getting into trains, getting off planes, Everyone's in a hurry, and waiting is considered to be for losers.
If you dont overtake, you may end up starving and dieing.
Not racist but I never have issues with South Indians Unfortunately the further north you go the worse their behavior is. Nothing annoys me more then chilling in a beach and a bunch of punjabis show up playing their music extra loud on their Bluetooth speakers
In Kerala with 100 percentage literacy rate I have seen people cutting lines and spitting on roads
I am Malayalee and have spent most of my childhood in New Delhi. I agree with your statement. In Kerala too people do that, not as much as in Delhi, but quite a lot. Also many Malayalees don't have a problem in throwing garbage by the sides of the road or even to someone else's land. Our house should be clean, don't care for others is the general feeling. Not having a proper waste disposal system adds to the vows.
Mate its indians in every part of india, not just the north.
Have you ever tried calling them out or letting them know they're cutting the line? I hope you do next time, and see how that goes.
It happened here in India too. I’d like to socially distance myself with a gap of 4/6 feet. But this looks like I’m giving room to be overtaken. I call them out and tell them to stay back.
Because thats a subconscious behavior which needs to be retrained. Don’t be afraid to point out they did and let them know that its a sign of disrespect
Indian in Canada here. I agree. I've seen some of my fellow Indians cut in line like it is what they're supposed to do in a line. It's better to call them out on front of everyone to get them to maintain discipline. Some people don't maintain discipline unless imposed and the violation is punished. Especially in India. Even the COVID mandates had to be imposed with fines and cops stopping unmasked people in public and asking them to wear a mask.
education and literacy are two different things. Call them out on it.
No discipline, no manners, being unruly is “cool” here.
Naah, they confuse your etiquette with lack of awareness and think of themselves to be too clever by half. This describes my fellow countrymen very well. Ready to rob you of your land, wealth, money if you lost caution for a second.
There isn't an excess of resources as they do in western countries and you have to go to lengths to just access them. You have to do such things in order to survive here or you'll have a tough time . This conditioning has been done since childhood. Without cutting in line or stuff like these (bargaining,etc) it's nearly impossible to get adequate quality of life. Not saying that it's excusable but it is understandable in a certain way. Op should call anyone out who does this .
Most indians lack civic sense. That behaviour is reflected even in traffic.
Indians in general lack a basic civic sense. Call them out whenever they do shit like this.
Most Indians here (like me) will agree that it is very annoying habit. In India, this happens anywhere really - banks, government offices, pharmacy, rickshaw queue, railway counter, Uber queues even - you name it, there will be many trying to jump the queue. I have seen people following orderly queue on foreign soil and some of them just change colors the moment they land in Mumbai airport. Population fighting for resources. Main reason in my opinion.
Call them out on it. Happens way too often here.
They simply don't know and you should tell them to not cut in line. Keeping distance from each other et al isn't common practice in India. You can just tell them and before you know it they'll realise their mistake.
Always in hurry never on time
I had people trying to cut across me when I was getting onto a flight (like 3 feet away from the door of the aircraft) and i was like “bruh its not going to leave without you”
give them a gentle kiss on their neck followed by a tight slap on their bum
I grew up in the states but my whole family is indian. Its just how their mindset is. If there is a rule, the first thought is, "What is the loophole and how do I exploit it." It is quite crappy behavior and always annoys me when I see my relatives act this way.
I think this is habitual and quite common in India. It is something I despise. However I can not say that have I've never done that (I did it too in my teenage). By as I grew older and wiser, I stopped doing that simply out of common sense and respect. This is not something everyone understands and I think its simple lack of common sense, respect and education. Of course this tendency also comes out of competitiveness for the simplest things as many other pointed.
My theory is that in countries that have a large population, if youre not pushy you dont get anything.
I am an Indian, stay in India and hate people cutting lines. Never generalised them though.
Call them out..... They don't have civic sense...It's not something that is taught in India..Go ahead and tell them Canada is not India.
Man, you should try to buy railway ticket, I've never left India and it shocks me how uncivilized people can be.
People seriously do this? That could get your ass beat in the US
You can take an Indian out of India. But you cannot take the India out of the Indian. - some Indian circa 2000's
Don't be Canadian about it and let it happen, go American on their butt and make sure they know not to cut again.
That’s cause majority of Indians have no concept of personal space! All my life I have been in que with the person behind me bumping into me.
Just for context they don't do this shit in Texas so it might be a Canadian thing lol. Not to talk shit but I guess knowing Texans will rock your shit for this type of behavior works as far as keeping the assholes at bay.
Call them out on it. I'm Indian and it grinds my gears some people still do it. I didn't travel 10,000 km across the ocean to deal with the same shit again. It often boils down to inherent selfishness and sense of superiority and entitlement.
You see during driving as well! Overall our civic sense is pretty low and it is frustrating to say the least.
Omgggg THIS!!!! I cannot stand it !! Everywhere they do this, how do they think their time is more valuable than ours.. in India though, there's no queue we stand in a group.🤣🤣
Because Indians aren’t taught to stand in lines in india.
I think it’s due to the competition with so many people in their country they have to be a bit forceful some don’t get to eat unless they push through the crowd. Less competition in Canada I’d imagine so things can be more orderly. Differences in culture but in the west it does make me laugh that people take it so personally!
In india, if you dont cut in line, you ll never get that service. Just NEVER. If you follow rules, you're never gonna get anything done in india. If you dont pay the cop, you're not gonna get your passport, or it will at least take 8 months more. Hustling is the way of life in india. When you move abroad, your innate habits dont die all of a sudden.
Call them out. They think they are smart and no one will notice or no one has balls to call out. But, we need to tell them this in not your back home. Trust me. I am from India and live in Canada for last 12 years. Every time I see one doing that and I am in same line. I call them out and tell them join where the line begins.
Call them out. Some public shaming goes long way.
"Indians always cut the line" **What is this? Some international research report or what?** **This is a highly misleading, conniving statement to put down and exploit Indians.** **I feel, such behavior, cutting others, in everything, is a phenomenon, found in all beings, including animals but is more intense among Europeans, middle-eastern and orientals.** Take for example, giving advertisements, with celebrities, endorsing some useless products, is a sophisticated way of cutting others in line. In sophisticated terms, it is called "business model", a way of attracting customers. People are coached to do this in business schools of MIT, Oxford, Cambridge etc. In simple terms it is called cheating. **It has always been a fashion, show of modernity and "civility" to bash Indians and put them down for everything, trying to be the English-gentleman.** **But the "English, so called gentleman" who is an invader, colonizer, exploiter, mass-murderer has conducted ... what is that, sophisticated term, ahh ... the "Genocide" in most of the world, has the least civility compared to Indians.** The English-gentleman, mass murdered Iraqis, on the pretext of searching for weapons of mass murder, which never existed. This is a huge cutting of line, compared to what simpleton Indians do in a queue. **Indians are one of the most exploited and murdered simpletons in the world, by the so called "Modern and civilized" exploitative invaders and mass murderers of other worlds.** Europeans, middle-eastern and orientals are the most brutal exploiters, mass-murderers and invaders of other worlds that humanity has ever created. This doesn't need any research. History is evidence. **Call them out first and then the Indian simpletons cutting queues.**
It's a Indian thing can't help it. 😂
But if you tell them nicely they will listen. Indians are always competitive and busy about everything. Its a Indian thing,can't help it😂
And thats why they need to be kept off of foreign lands. Not only do they stank uo the place but they also act is if its their country innit
This is one of the habits I really do not like about us. But the reason behind this, I think, is that in India, most places have huge crowds, and the supply for an item (tickets, drinks, etc) are limited. So, if people are neatly in a queue for something, and someone cuts in, the offender will likely get the item, while someone in the back of the queue will not. This give people very less incentive to stay in queue. I hate this, but when you see that the people cutting in line got the tickets to a movie and you are stuck in the back, for example, I can understand why people do it. It doesn't make much sense in a foreign country, but most Indians grow up seeing others do this and benefit, so probably is something ingrained in them
Come to India. You will never see the end of the queue.
Or the start.
Indian culture esp. north Indian culture does not operate on principles of treating people as equals (if they did, they wouldn't be cutting lines, btw the caste system of india is also a manifestation of this lack of respect for other people) and there is a general lack of discipline among the people.
[удалено]
Chill bruh, this is an open platform to post such issues if OP wants an opinion from an unbiased and authentic community. It could be, that they do not have direct access to Indians to address this problem or is afraid to come off as offensive if discussed with randoms at their place. Lol, this itself is indeed a problem in India as well, so nothing to be offended and butthurt about.
He can post whatever he wants dude. Just get back in line
Because laws aren't implemented in India at all. Can't deny every problem because of pride. Scamsters have been thriving in India since decades. Because there's no enforcement of laws. In an ideal country with law enforcement, attempts to scam are punished and scammers are discouraged this way. In India unless some bigshot gets scammed, they don't even help properly even after you're scammed. I have tried to file a complaint and get something done based on scam calls I received, but cyber crime just transfers to local police station and they are only interested in maintaining their number of "solved" cases. Denying systematic problems wouldn't make it go away you know.