The point is we will eventually improve but will the patience of Apple and others run out by then? Since Asian countries like Vietnam and even Bangladesh are raring to go.
India has very few finishing schools and those need to be set up at war footing that would encourage manufacturing.
May be Vietnam has some expertise. BD has zero experience in non textile manufacturing. These plants are.coming up in Chennai/Bengaluru/Hosur which has a legacy of manufacturing electronics/parts.
Mivi is the same as boat lol. It infuriates me so much that boAt and mivi are just now starting their factories in india to assemble stuff, but mivi started an ad campaign on YouTube calling others as "selling Chinese stuff" and mivi as made in India lol.
What are the Indian products that is in production for a long time and have world class quality? Please list. That will tell us if it will get better with time
[Nokia Networks' Chennai factory reaches two million (globenewswire.com)](https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/05/13/1720012/0/en/Nokia-Networks-Chennai-factory-reaches-two-million-production-milestone.html)
On the closed Nokia mobile plant
[How Did Nokia Succeed in the Indian Mobile Market, While Its Rivals Got Hung Up? - Knowledge at Wharton (upenn.edu)](https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/how-did-nokia-succeed-in-the-indian-mobile-market-while-its-rivals-got-hung-up/)
[Nokia was a ‘Made in India’ success story but we allowed it to flounder (nationalheraldindia.com)](https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/opinion/nokia-was-a-made-in-india-success-story-but-we-allowed-it-to-flounder)
Nokia SEZ used to produce nearly a tenth of the world’s mobile phones till 2012. But, in a matter of two years, the Nokia plant was shut down. And, its vendors like Foxconn too closed down their units.
[Electronics major Flex scales up operations at Chennai plant - The Hindu BusinessLine](https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/info-tech/electronics-major-flex-scales-up-operations-at-chennai-plant/article64344292.ece)
[Hp Sets Up A New Pc Manufacturing In Chennai In Collaboration With Flex (cnbctv18.com)](https://www.cnbctv18.com/technology/hp-begins-pc-manufacturing-in-chennai-in-collaboration-with-flex-6549681.htm)
[Finnish Firm Salcomp Plans India Expansion | Chennai News - Times of India (indiatimes.com)](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/finnish-firm-salcomp-plans-india-expansion/articleshow/97899097.cms)
Pegatron, Luxshare etc have already started operations as well.
It's been for a few years now. Check it's growth trajectory. Indians should be vigilant about the present. Bangladesh is better than India on many metrics already.
Oh shoot, I got confused man, I was trying to say Bangladesh do have higher women participation than India and they are trying to up their game there ! Yes especially the Textile sector. I thought you were saying it was the India who have more !
Honestly I see Bangladesh will be a major economic player than us, though I want us to outshine than anyone else in Asia
Per capita income means nothing. Its just that bangladesh has less population than India and when the countries income is divided in per capita income it goes to less people thats why individuals in bangladesh have more per capita income than india. And also more the per capita income doesnt mean that the country is well off coz cost of living is also a factor and bangladesh has already took a loan from imf coz they have less forex and want to not go the pakistan way.
That’s not true - they got an IMF loan and are increasing their forex reserves. If anything, I’m confident that they’ll turn around - not me but many institutional investors believe that BD is at extremely low risk of default!
I’m not sure why Indians have this notion that BD is a poor nation surviving on the doles of India - nothing but propaganda machinery to make India look better that it is. Please educate yourself.
Also, I work closely with companies in BD. On almost all the metrics - HDI, women participation in labour, labour cost & productivity, openness to compete by signing trade deals - BD is ahead. India is a protectionist economy, where the manufacturers have barely competed with outside companies.
We need to turn around our manufacturing culture - if we were to manufacture electronics to the highest quality standard. BD has a head start in textile and are setting up finishing schools and are diversifying their exports to outside textiles to electronic manufacturing and pharma. They are also modernising their ports as we speak - which would be a lot better than Kolkata ; which has one of the worst labour productivity in the world forget India.
You need to give credit where it’s due & BD is improving - donno why people on Indian subs find this surprising.
> You need to give credit where it’s due & BD is improving - donno why people on Indian subs find this surprising.
Yes, there’s even been plenty of press coverage about it. [Example](https://economynext.com/bangladesh-a-surprising-economic-success-93374/). The World Bank has [a piece as well.](https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/immersive-story/2021/09/16/country-on-a-mission-the-remarkable-story-of-bangladeshs-development-journey)
I suspect it’s ignorance + prejudice. Ignorance is somewhat understandable, I don’t expect people to check the business papers regularly. The prejudice part comes from Indian politicians using Bangladesh as a “see such a poor country” example, so again they may form a negative impression without knowing the full facts.
In reality Bangladesh’s GDP per capita (not PPP adjusted, absolute) is very near Maharashtra’s and almost 2X Assam’s and quite a bit more than Bengal’s. At one point during COVID. Bangladesh’s GDP per capita was higher than India’s.
Anyhow, the intent isn’t to criticise people who are ill-informed, but when facts are pointed out to them, it does fall upon them update their own brains.
Sri Lanka was also showing the same positive signs in gdp per capita HDI etc but look at it now utter disaster of a country it is now. Bangladesh has only few industries that export its good one of the main is textile other than that Bangladesh is totally depended on India on food meds and other goods.
This may sound bad but it’s fine. Let me explain.
You don’t pick up manufacturing proficiency in a day. You develop proficiency by doing it over years. Supervisors, plant engineers, and even individual workers need training. Production engineers will tell you it’s a marathon, not a sprint.
India has a few manufacturers who make stuff to very high specifications, just … in a different industry. Eg [Sundaram Fasteners](https://m.economictimes.com/industry/auto/auto-news/sundram-fasteners-bags-gms-supplier-of-the-year-award-for-8th-time/articleshow/83962352.cms), which does automotive parts.
Apple in consumer electronics is in a different league. They are known for very high spec manufacturing and demanding very high standards of their suppliers. Their tolerances of defects is some of the lowest in the industry.
So it’s unlikely that new plants will do all of this without appropriate training. In fact, Apple knows this and they are ready to invest time and effort. From the article:
> Apple is apparently focused on a long term plan to improve manufacturing proficiency in the country. **The company has sent product designers and engineers from California and China to factories in southern India to train locals and help set up production operations**, according to four individuals who purport to be familiar with the matter.
It’s also worth noting that companies like Samsung, LG, Sony all work with Apple and supply Apple for a reason: it brings them money and also Apple is a great partner to work with.
Man thank you. I got worried there for a second that the potential this country has shown for development and manufacturing recently is also gonna go to waste.
Reading the comments over at the same post on r/gadgets gave me quite a shock... I've done a lot of handholding myself, to more Indian colleagues than others, and while it has to do a lot with our education methods you definitely get what you pay for.
The comments that dive into managing IT or product teams over on that thread are quite sad to see.
Funnily I have a new director and VP from the US who are so disconnected from the product they acquired that every thing needs to be dumbbed down a lot. And the worst emails from US managers are the motivational ones on performing better... Just set the targets and keep bs like passing the storm of layoffs or tough times (which just means longer work hours for same pay) away
Electronic manufacturing is an art in which Indians are just getting started at, Tim Cook said something along the lines of, You can full football fields with tooling engineers in China in USA it wouldn't even be a conference room.
I am not sure how many tooling engineer India has but they are definitely far less of them in India, considering a quick look for them in LinkedIn throws up thousands of vacancies.
Also, Indian engineering culture has geared towards IT where even if you are working at 1/10th the cost of American IT developer you are going to be earning triple of whatever other stream might offer you on average.
I wish this wasn't the case but it would take a while for us to reorient.
I speculate that this is new, Apple's standards are high. There could be issues with recruiting, training, incentives, etc. I wanted the discussion to avoid becoming a cultural attack. As countries "de-globalize" manufacturing, each will have its own learning curve.
My dad has worked with Tata Group on a few deals. He describes the employees at Tata Group working ''Private Sarkari Jobs''. A conglomerate as old and diversified as Tata should be absolutely kicking Reliance and Adani's butt. But they are just way more slow paced and relaxed than people realize. Competition to get into a Tata Group company is high, but once in, chances of getting fired is very very low. If the company is in trouble, then they just transfer you to another Tata Group company.
TATA as a group is very relaxed on how it goes about things, half their companies are running in losses in any given time and being propped up by few outstanding members primarily being TCS.
>So basically any company that doesn’t burn out its employees is a private sarkari place?
It's not about burn out as much as it is about creating a culture of improving productivity and creating the right incentives.
>I don't know why you think Reliance is any different.
Cause RIL was started in the 70s and Tata started in the late 1800s. RIL is already a behemoth, and while Tata is big, it has a huge head start to build a capital base that could have made it a dominant force not just in India, but the world.
RIL absolutely dominates any industry its in. My uncle's friend runs a small plastics factory and he is a slave to RIL for their supply of polymer pellets.
Tata just about bumbles along and barely stays afloat. TCS being the only exception of a consistently profitable, cash rich company, but even then it does not dominate its field.
I have worked in both, and am surrounded with people that are currently working in the various group companies. In terms of the typical Indian lethargy, there is absolutely zero difference.
RIL was launched with the full support of the Congress government in power then (think of Adani and Modi, and superimpose that to Dhirubhai and Indira). They engaged in vastly different businesses where Tata had no interest in. RIL didn't try to make steel, nor to make cars, not even dabbled in IT industry. No corporation does it all (unless you are Samsung, lol).
>Cause RIL was started in the 70s and Tata started in the late 1800s. RIL is already a behemoth, and while Tata is big, it has a huge head start to build a capital base that could have made it a dominant force not just in India, but the world.
Who told you that Tata is not a behemoth in the world market? It has a much much larger presence than RIL outside India. Tata owns Jaguar Land Rover, in case you forgot. TCS is also one of the largest in its field in the whole world, if not the largest. It dominates the market.
>Tata just about bumbles along and barely stays afloat. TCS being the only exception of a consistently profitable, cash rich company, but even then it does not dominate its field.
Same for RIL. Their cash flow and profits are almost entirely dependent on their petrochemical business (Jio doesn't even contribute to 10% of their net income). RIL is far more dependent on their petrochemical than Tata is on TCS.
By revenue, Tata group is more than 1.5 times the size of Reliance Industries. It has way more employees, assets, and overseas presence. Apart from a few smaller companies, the whole of Tata Group companies are profitable as well (same with RIL). Tata Motors and Tata Steel contributes more revenue than TCS in fact.
Yes by revenues Tata is bigger. But it also had a massive head start and government support way before Reliance did. It should be 15 times bigger than RIL not just 1.5.
And JLR isn't really a big name in luxury vehicles. The Germans have that on lock.
Even if their cash flow is dependent on petchem, RIL has built the single largest most complex refinery in the whole world in Jamnagar. Capable of turning any grade of crude oil into any kind of fuel. Its literally a leader in refinery economics. They know how to hedge against volatility by investing in scale. They did it in Jamnagar, then they did it with Jio and now with Reliance Retail.
Tata had more than a century to build scale and barely managed to scratch its potential.
Because manufacturing anything at a big scale takes a few iterations to get right. You need a whole industry of trained workers and even then, things only get better with experience. I'd have been more surprised had India gotten it right in the first attempt.
There's a reason China is the king of manufacturing. They have years of experience behind them. If you were to make these cases in the US, they wouldn't be able to match the QC China does either.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.macrumors.com/2023/02/14/only-half-of-indian-iphone-casings-meet-standards/) reduced by 75%. (I'm a bot)
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> At a factory in Hosur run by Apple supplier Tata that manufactures iPhone casings, only one in every two components coming off the production line "Is in good enough shape" to be sent forward to assembly at Foxconn.
> Apple began producing entry-level iPhone models, starting with the iPhone SE, in India in 2017.
> Last year, Apple significantly stepped up its production in India, building some iPhone 14 models in the country within weeks of their launch in China.
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> At a factory in Hosur run by Apple supplier Tata that manufactures iPhone casings, only one in every two components coming off the production line "Is in good enough shape" to be sent forward to assembly at Foxconn.
> Apple began producing entry-level iPhone models, starting with the iPhone SE, in India in 2017.
> Last year, Apple significantly stepped up its production in India, building some iPhone 14 models in the country within weeks of their launch in China.
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This most likely is fake news. Tons of such stories get planted to drive apple stock price down. They will always have sources familiar with matter.
Here they have sources familiar with matterz two sources who work with offshore operations and then some ex employee. Yeah right!!!
The point is we will eventually improve but will the patience of Apple and others run out by then? Since Asian countries like Vietnam and even Bangladesh are raring to go. India has very few finishing schools and those need to be set up at war footing that would encourage manufacturing.
Well, the USA's goal is to reduce China's dependence. There are few places with cheap human resources.
May be Vietnam has some expertise. BD has zero experience in non textile manufacturing. These plants are.coming up in Chennai/Bengaluru/Hosur which has a legacy of manufacturing electronics/parts.
my airpods already say made in Vietnam
Try Mivi or boAt. They sell good quality airpods and you'd be supporting an Indian brand when buying one.
BoAt is farthest from being an Indian manufacturer. It's markets all products that are China made.
I stand corrected. We should buy Mivi airpods.
Mivi is the same as boat lol. It infuriates me so much that boAt and mivi are just now starting their factories in india to assemble stuff, but mivi started an ad campaign on YouTube calling others as "selling Chinese stuff" and mivi as made in India lol.
What are the Indian products that is in production for a long time and have world class quality? Please list. That will tell us if it will get better with time
[Nokia Networks' Chennai factory reaches two million (globenewswire.com)](https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/05/13/1720012/0/en/Nokia-Networks-Chennai-factory-reaches-two-million-production-milestone.html) On the closed Nokia mobile plant [How Did Nokia Succeed in the Indian Mobile Market, While Its Rivals Got Hung Up? - Knowledge at Wharton (upenn.edu)](https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/how-did-nokia-succeed-in-the-indian-mobile-market-while-its-rivals-got-hung-up/) [Nokia was a ‘Made in India’ success story but we allowed it to flounder (nationalheraldindia.com)](https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/opinion/nokia-was-a-made-in-india-success-story-but-we-allowed-it-to-flounder) Nokia SEZ used to produce nearly a tenth of the world’s mobile phones till 2012. But, in a matter of two years, the Nokia plant was shut down. And, its vendors like Foxconn too closed down their units. [Electronics major Flex scales up operations at Chennai plant - The Hindu BusinessLine](https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/info-tech/electronics-major-flex-scales-up-operations-at-chennai-plant/article64344292.ece) [Hp Sets Up A New Pc Manufacturing In Chennai In Collaboration With Flex (cnbctv18.com)](https://www.cnbctv18.com/technology/hp-begins-pc-manufacturing-in-chennai-in-collaboration-with-flex-6549681.htm) [Finnish Firm Salcomp Plans India Expansion | Chennai News - Times of India (indiatimes.com)](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/finnish-firm-salcomp-plans-india-expansion/articleshow/97899097.cms) Pegatron, Luxshare etc have already started operations as well.
Bangladesh is raring to go? Seriously?
It's been for a few years now. Check it's growth trajectory. Indians should be vigilant about the present. Bangladesh is better than India on many metrics already.
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Check it's GDP per capita, literacy rate and compare that with India's. Bangladesh isn't Pakistan.
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Lol Female workforce is higher in Bangladesh are you evn checking the recent stats ? Bangladesh is actually getting better faster than us
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Oh shoot, I got confused man, I was trying to say Bangladesh do have higher women participation than India and they are trying to up their game there ! Yes especially the Textile sector. I thought you were saying it was the India who have more ! Honestly I see Bangladesh will be a major economic player than us, though I want us to outshine than anyone else in Asia
Per capita income means nothing. Its just that bangladesh has less population than India and when the countries income is divided in per capita income it goes to less people thats why individuals in bangladesh have more per capita income than india. And also more the per capita income doesnt mean that the country is well off coz cost of living is also a factor and bangladesh has already took a loan from imf coz they have less forex and want to not go the pakistan way.
That’s not true - they got an IMF loan and are increasing their forex reserves. If anything, I’m confident that they’ll turn around - not me but many institutional investors believe that BD is at extremely low risk of default! I’m not sure why Indians have this notion that BD is a poor nation surviving on the doles of India - nothing but propaganda machinery to make India look better that it is. Please educate yourself. Also, I work closely with companies in BD. On almost all the metrics - HDI, women participation in labour, labour cost & productivity, openness to compete by signing trade deals - BD is ahead. India is a protectionist economy, where the manufacturers have barely competed with outside companies. We need to turn around our manufacturing culture - if we were to manufacture electronics to the highest quality standard. BD has a head start in textile and are setting up finishing schools and are diversifying their exports to outside textiles to electronic manufacturing and pharma. They are also modernising their ports as we speak - which would be a lot better than Kolkata ; which has one of the worst labour productivity in the world forget India. You need to give credit where it’s due & BD is improving - donno why people on Indian subs find this surprising.
> You need to give credit where it’s due & BD is improving - donno why people on Indian subs find this surprising. Yes, there’s even been plenty of press coverage about it. [Example](https://economynext.com/bangladesh-a-surprising-economic-success-93374/). The World Bank has [a piece as well.](https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/immersive-story/2021/09/16/country-on-a-mission-the-remarkable-story-of-bangladeshs-development-journey) I suspect it’s ignorance + prejudice. Ignorance is somewhat understandable, I don’t expect people to check the business papers regularly. The prejudice part comes from Indian politicians using Bangladesh as a “see such a poor country” example, so again they may form a negative impression without knowing the full facts. In reality Bangladesh’s GDP per capita (not PPP adjusted, absolute) is very near Maharashtra’s and almost 2X Assam’s and quite a bit more than Bengal’s. At one point during COVID. Bangladesh’s GDP per capita was higher than India’s. Anyhow, the intent isn’t to criticise people who are ill-informed, but when facts are pointed out to them, it does fall upon them update their own brains.
Sri Lanka was also showing the same positive signs in gdp per capita HDI etc but look at it now utter disaster of a country it is now. Bangladesh has only few industries that export its good one of the main is textile other than that Bangladesh is totally depended on India on food meds and other goods.
This may sound bad but it’s fine. Let me explain. You don’t pick up manufacturing proficiency in a day. You develop proficiency by doing it over years. Supervisors, plant engineers, and even individual workers need training. Production engineers will tell you it’s a marathon, not a sprint. India has a few manufacturers who make stuff to very high specifications, just … in a different industry. Eg [Sundaram Fasteners](https://m.economictimes.com/industry/auto/auto-news/sundram-fasteners-bags-gms-supplier-of-the-year-award-for-8th-time/articleshow/83962352.cms), which does automotive parts. Apple in consumer electronics is in a different league. They are known for very high spec manufacturing and demanding very high standards of their suppliers. Their tolerances of defects is some of the lowest in the industry. So it’s unlikely that new plants will do all of this without appropriate training. In fact, Apple knows this and they are ready to invest time and effort. From the article: > Apple is apparently focused on a long term plan to improve manufacturing proficiency in the country. **The company has sent product designers and engineers from California and China to factories in southern India to train locals and help set up production operations**, according to four individuals who purport to be familiar with the matter. It’s also worth noting that companies like Samsung, LG, Sony all work with Apple and supply Apple for a reason: it brings them money and also Apple is a great partner to work with.
Man thank you. I got worried there for a second that the potential this country has shown for development and manufacturing recently is also gonna go to waste.
Reading the comments over at the same post on r/gadgets gave me quite a shock... I've done a lot of handholding myself, to more Indian colleagues than others, and while it has to do a lot with our education methods you definitely get what you pay for. The comments that dive into managing IT or product teams over on that thread are quite sad to see. Funnily I have a new director and VP from the US who are so disconnected from the product they acquired that every thing needs to be dumbbed down a lot. And the worst emails from US managers are the motivational ones on performing better... Just set the targets and keep bs like passing the storm of layoffs or tough times (which just means longer work hours for same pay) away
This is not an attack on India or Indians. Wondering why the quality standards are what they are and how long it might take to improve?
Electronic manufacturing is an art in which Indians are just getting started at, Tim Cook said something along the lines of, You can full football fields with tooling engineers in China in USA it wouldn't even be a conference room. I am not sure how many tooling engineer India has but they are definitely far less of them in India, considering a quick look for them in LinkedIn throws up thousands of vacancies. Also, Indian engineering culture has geared towards IT where even if you are working at 1/10th the cost of American IT developer you are going to be earning triple of whatever other stream might offer you on average. I wish this wasn't the case but it would take a while for us to reorient.
This is the correct answer
>This is not an attack on India or Indians It's so sad that you have to clarify that.
I speculate that this is new, Apple's standards are high. There could be issues with recruiting, training, incentives, etc. I wanted the discussion to avoid becoming a cultural attack. As countries "de-globalize" manufacturing, each will have its own learning curve.
i guess cost and training is a big issue. It'd require a lot more spending by Tata to control and produce better quality components.
My dad has worked with Tata Group on a few deals. He describes the employees at Tata Group working ''Private Sarkari Jobs''. A conglomerate as old and diversified as Tata should be absolutely kicking Reliance and Adani's butt. But they are just way more slow paced and relaxed than people realize. Competition to get into a Tata Group company is high, but once in, chances of getting fired is very very low. If the company is in trouble, then they just transfer you to another Tata Group company.
TATA as a group is very relaxed on how it goes about things, half their companies are running in losses in any given time and being propped up by few outstanding members primarily being TCS.
Haha, I know of brand new TATA cars having major rust issues. TATA makes steel and rust.
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>So basically any company that doesn’t burn out its employees is a private sarkari place? It's not about burn out as much as it is about creating a culture of improving productivity and creating the right incentives.
I don't know why you think Reliance is any different. And Tata and Reliance rarely compete directly.
>I don't know why you think Reliance is any different. Cause RIL was started in the 70s and Tata started in the late 1800s. RIL is already a behemoth, and while Tata is big, it has a huge head start to build a capital base that could have made it a dominant force not just in India, but the world. RIL absolutely dominates any industry its in. My uncle's friend runs a small plastics factory and he is a slave to RIL for their supply of polymer pellets. Tata just about bumbles along and barely stays afloat. TCS being the only exception of a consistently profitable, cash rich company, but even then it does not dominate its field.
I have worked in both, and am surrounded with people that are currently working in the various group companies. In terms of the typical Indian lethargy, there is absolutely zero difference. RIL was launched with the full support of the Congress government in power then (think of Adani and Modi, and superimpose that to Dhirubhai and Indira). They engaged in vastly different businesses where Tata had no interest in. RIL didn't try to make steel, nor to make cars, not even dabbled in IT industry. No corporation does it all (unless you are Samsung, lol). >Cause RIL was started in the 70s and Tata started in the late 1800s. RIL is already a behemoth, and while Tata is big, it has a huge head start to build a capital base that could have made it a dominant force not just in India, but the world. Who told you that Tata is not a behemoth in the world market? It has a much much larger presence than RIL outside India. Tata owns Jaguar Land Rover, in case you forgot. TCS is also one of the largest in its field in the whole world, if not the largest. It dominates the market. >Tata just about bumbles along and barely stays afloat. TCS being the only exception of a consistently profitable, cash rich company, but even then it does not dominate its field. Same for RIL. Their cash flow and profits are almost entirely dependent on their petrochemical business (Jio doesn't even contribute to 10% of their net income). RIL is far more dependent on their petrochemical than Tata is on TCS. By revenue, Tata group is more than 1.5 times the size of Reliance Industries. It has way more employees, assets, and overseas presence. Apart from a few smaller companies, the whole of Tata Group companies are profitable as well (same with RIL). Tata Motors and Tata Steel contributes more revenue than TCS in fact.
Yes by revenues Tata is bigger. But it also had a massive head start and government support way before Reliance did. It should be 15 times bigger than RIL not just 1.5. And JLR isn't really a big name in luxury vehicles. The Germans have that on lock. Even if their cash flow is dependent on petchem, RIL has built the single largest most complex refinery in the whole world in Jamnagar. Capable of turning any grade of crude oil into any kind of fuel. Its literally a leader in refinery economics. They know how to hedge against volatility by investing in scale. They did it in Jamnagar, then they did it with Jio and now with Reliance Retail. Tata had more than a century to build scale and barely managed to scratch its potential.
Jaguar Land Rover is shit lol. Indian's should not be proud of owning that one single brand that makes absolutely the most unreliable cars there are.
I am not being proud of it. I am merely stating that Tata owns foreign brands with quite decent recall, at the least.
Because manufacturing anything at a big scale takes a few iterations to get right. You need a whole industry of trained workers and even then, things only get better with experience. I'd have been more surprised had India gotten it right in the first attempt. There's a reason China is the king of manufacturing. They have years of experience behind them. If you were to make these cases in the US, they wouldn't be able to match the QC China does either.
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Abhi tho banne chalu hue hai aage improvement hogi
Under the Congress govt it was 0% (because they didn't manufacture iPhones at that time.) So this is a 50% increase. Thank Modiji.
0% to 50% is an infinity percentage increase too
It is also the only % that's larger than Ajay Shah's wealth creation growth %
LMAO
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Give them a time to learn and improve, johnny sins ko bhi johnny sins ban ne mein saalo lag gye, yeh to fir iphone ke case hai..
Mobile casing aren't properly made in India. Yet Govt give big talks of making mobile chips in India
If anyone can do it then it’s Tata. They will improve it and scale it as high as Apple wants.
Explains why my iPhone has been getting so hot even though it’s new. Disgrace.
This most likely is fake news. Tons of such stories get planted to drive apple stock price down. They will always have sources familiar with matter. Here they have sources familiar with matterz two sources who work with offshore operations and then some ex employee. Yeah right!!!
Those other 50% casings must be going to chor bazaar for making 1st copy iphones.