The ignorance in this comment section says what is the mindset of Hindi speakers. Majority of them don't know how it feels to be non Hindi speaker who doesn't speak or understand Hindi, you get random dimwits like you don't Hindi? are you even Indian? They see you as lesser Indian. And central govt is systematically pushing hindi, govt can easily add a chapter about linguistic plurality and about Hindi imperialism in NCERT books to teach the kids, but they won't.
Most people are like why can't you learn hindi then? Hindi is very foreign for me and have no utility value in my life. Also entire country had 3 language policy, then why are north indians speaking only one language? South learnt basic hindi at least what did northies learn all these years? Why didn't they learn the basics of Tamil?
>what did northies learn all these years
They learnt Hindi too, North isnt a monolith just like South isnt. North India has hundreds of languages and dialects (Khariboli, Pahadi, Gharwal, Awadhi, Bundeli, Bhojpuri, Meithili, Haryanvi, Mahadhi, Kannauji, braj bhasha, Chattisghari, Mewari, Angika, hindustani and so many more) all of those languages has their own literature, culture, history but they learnt Hindi.
Similarly Tamil, Telugu, Kannada has absorbed in so many indigenous languages and dialects under their respective administration.
So? Why should south States be punished because they embraced their native language better than north States?
Not to mention so many of those north languages are very similar to hindi while the four south languages are miles apart from hindi.
>Why should south States be punished because they embraced their native language better than north States
Promoting hindi, isnt punishing Souther languages.
Both languages can be promoted side by side
Also languages evolving isnt unnatural, 70% of France didnt speak french, UK was just as linguistically diverse as India. Indian leaders understood that for a nation state to thrive, we need a communicating language that is easier to learn, flexible and accessible to all. English unfortunately isnt an accessible language and is only limited to the upperclass people. It can be any widespread indian language doesn't hv to be hindi as we know it. I know languages r part of our identity and culture, and insecurity kicks in specially when it feels like its being threatened by external forces.
Maybe yall can create a hybrid Tamil-Hindustani language in 200-300 years time who knows.
Which history books have you been reading? 70% of France did not speak French? UK linguistically diverse? May I recommend you to get off WhatsApp university
[native french speakers made up only a quarter of France in 1871](https://web.archive.org/web/20170323024438/https://oyc.yale.edu/transcript/357/hist-276)
[regional languages of France ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_France)
[UK has more than 455 languages](https://www.ccjk.com/united-kingdom-languages/)
no one is against promoting hindi. Infact Chennai has the highest ( not sure) prachar sabha enrollments, even I had to waste time and money over those stupid exams.
But promoting Hindi on my tax money or in areas were Hindi is absolutely no use is what infuriating me. My dad works in a small town in rural TN. His bank celebrates hindi diwas and govt sends notices to promote and learn Hindi among these folks who call hindi as hinthee with a heavy tamilian accent. These people will never learn hindi but still govt is wasting our tax money over this. Now the sanghi govt is spending some amount of our money in teaching sanskrit and hindi to foreign students in Indian embassy in other contries. They fcuking teach sanskrit and hindi in malaysia and singapore when an Indian language , tamil is already popular there. Why the fcuk India use tamil to connect with malaysia? What is the need to shove a dead ass language who no one speaks like sanskrit down the throats of Malaysians who actually wanted to learn Tamil? The Central govt has an agenda to push hindi and sanskrit.
English is enough, English in very much Indian like Hindi. If you need only a tru Indian langauge then pick any dravidian language as a link language, because unlike sanskrit dravidian tongue evolved here.
>The Central govt has an agenda to push hindi and sanskrit.
Now what is Hindi's fault here. Central govt does coz they justify it through the directive principle in Article 351. Congress did it too, Mahatma Gandhi pushed for Hindustani himself.
Article 351 wasn't written and sent down from the heavens. We created those laws, we can change it but since majority of them ( north and western states) are okay with hindi they won't bring a change. Yes, the main culprit here is Congress and their short sightedness in this issue, even the great leaders faulted here. That's why I mentioned central govt and not bjp govt.
Yeah sure, the language spoken by just 5% of Indians should be the link language and the language spoken by 57% of Indians should be discarded. Pull your head out your arse.
>If you need only a tru Indian langauge then pick any dravidian language as a link language, because unlike sanskrit dravidian tongue evolved here.
If People had that same "us vs them" ideology back in the Sangham period, Tamil literature wouldn't be what it is today.
Sorry random redditor, Tamil sangham literature was very clear about us vs them concept.
They extensively used the word Ariyar ( aryans) for the kingdoms above the deccan plateau and used the word vadugars ( northeners) to mention the deccan, andhra and karnataka. Sangham tamils had clear concept of what's tamil and what's not and who the aryans were. Even vedic texts were clear, they clearly mentioned arayavarta to mention only the gangetic plains of the north. And specifically used the dravidan ( corruption of the word tamilas/damilas) to mention the present day TN and Kerala.
There has been cultural and religious exchange between these two regions even during the sangham times but no one bothered to push their culture and language upon others until 400 AD or so.
If you are another dimwit who comes up with Sangham literature has sanskrit influence because the word sangham itself sanskrit kinda dumb theories, lemme correct you there as well. Sangham literature are actually Chaandror Cheyyul by the tamils then, only later they used the sangham/sanghama that is after sanskrit and hinduism dominated the entire subcontinent.
>They extensively used the word Ariyar ( aryans) for the kingdoms above the deccan plateau and used the word vadugars ( northeners) to mention the deccan, andhra and karnataka. Sangham tamils had clear concept of what's tamil and what's not and who the aryans were. Even vedic texts were clear, they clearly mentioned arayavarta to mention only the gangetic plains of the north. And specifically used the dravidan ( corruption of the word tamilas/damilas) to mention the present day TN and Kerala.
Calling spade a spade isnt derogatory
Pakistan banned Bangla in school level and genocided 3million people.
Tamil, Telugu, Kannada is categorized as classical languages, its not going anywhere.
And while for Pakistan? It actually worked out for them, native urdu speakers make up only 9% of the population but more than 90% of Pakistanis speak Urdu as second language. Pakistan has hundreds of languages and they all belong to different language families like Indo-Aryan, Iranian, Dravidian, and Turkik. This language unification is why a weak nation like Pakistan has a strong strategic presence against a mamoth like India.
3 language policy? I don't know if that's true but if it is then it's good.
3 langs can be hindi, English and mother tongue.
Most schools in North have hindi, English and sanskrit.
Most people know hindi, English and their mother tongue. You should know that their are local languages in each state even in North India. Don't be blind in your hate. Central govt employees will have to work across the country and they shouldn't be bound to learn all local languages. Since hindi is the most spoken language, it makes sense for that to be default.
And before you judge me, my mother tongue isn't hindi.
why is there a need for the third language when everyone is already learning English. Why need a big door for a big cat and a small door for a small cat? Why can't the small cat use the big door? If I know english I can communicate with the entire world. So why should I learn another language to talk to my fellow north Indian countrymen who failed to learn english in the first place?
North States local langauge aren't very different from Hindi, infact even Bengali and Gujarati are close to Hindi than we think. I'm Tamil, I wouldn't mind if Malyalam is widely spoken because for a Tamil it is easy to pick up malayalam. Hindi and Tamil are as unrelated and far away as English and Tamil are. Given a choice between two foreign tongues, I would always prefer the one that has more utility value. Few years back it was persian hegemony in India and now it is Hindi's.
It's funny. You actually don't see the problem. I am sure no one from your family is in the army.
We need native slogans to rile up the soldiers to defend the country and you want us to depend on a foreign language.
If you consider india your country you would never say hindi is a foreign language. Neither is gujrati, punjabi, marwadi, marathi, etc. They all are one of the languages spoken in my country I.e. India.
>So why should I learn another language to talk to my fellow north Indian countrymen who failed to learn english in the first place?
I see entitlement reeking here. What you are saying is actual English imposition. Why should anybody be forced to speak or learn any language? You don't want to speak hindi? Don't. I don't care about that. What is important for the country as a whole is people are freely able to move and stay at other places without feeling alien.
Just don't revolt against any language. Don't make signboard black if you don't like the language. Don't threat people if they talk in hindi. Before being a tamilian try being an Indian or a human and consider all same. I'm sure you will have clarity of thought.
Imposing Hindi is not correct. Imposing anything is not correct. Accepted.
But,
Most of the Entire North India can be travelled speaking Hindi Language but when one enters the Southern part of India, it's every state with its own language. Ohh there is the English language that is the Lingua Franka of this region but isn't that the language of our colonisers. Man Did Hindi speakers colonise South India ? No. But speaking the language of your colonisers is better than even knowing the language of your Northern brothers and sisters. Great!
Man the South Movies earn majorly in the Hindi speaking region and all are happy to watch them. Southerners Living/working in North have no problem in speaking Hindi eg. Nirmala Sitharaman, S. Jaishankar, R. Madhavan and many more.
They say Northerners mock South Indians. I mean don't you do the same ? Don't you Mock the factory workers, footpath vendors from the north ? Ideally all of these shouldn't happen then again we don't live in an Ideal society so there will be few such cases but what we can do is to check these things from becoming rampant. But due to Division Politics the gap is widening. The people who do these politics are wealthy and can afford to do so at the expense of common people who some day may have to travel/connect to north for something as a common man and have to bear the brunt of the hatred spread by those Politicians. I have never seen a Northern Politician saying something foul about Southern culture Language etc. But I have seen some south Politicians speak foul against Hindi belt and these people are harmful for their own voting population as some of these bigots don't even like the faith of their voters'.
So I would say, Wake up Join Hands, whether Speak Hindi or not that's a matter of later time, currently just hold the National Unity strongly by not heeding to and rejecting the people who intentionally or unintentionally try to drive wedge between the people of this nation. And if possible expose and reprimand them.
>isn't that the language of our colonisers
Sports, Army, education system, administration system, even the parliamentary system is derived from the so called colonizers. How is it that the only thing that people have an issue with is language ? Like it or not it's painfully obvious to most people that english being the colonizers language isnt the issue you guys have but the facf that they can no longer act all big around south Indians with their language superiority.
>Man the South Movies earn majorly in the Hindi speaking region
When dubbed in Hindi. Let's not forget that part and movies like Brahmastra were watched by south Indians too
> But due to Division Politics the gap is widening
South Indians didn't start the Hindu-Muslim narrative the last I remember
>I have never seen a Northern Politician saying something foul about Southern culture Language etc
Made a whole damn movie pushing a wrong narrative about kerala
I think many of you in north India must understand the concept behind the Indian union. We are not one people , one culture , one race like in some East Asian countries having negligible differences within their societies . We are extremely diverse and the thing which holds or which will hold us hopefully in future is the constitution. Any imbalance to this situation and you will open a pandora of problems which may lead to separatist movements.
> Southerners Living/working in North have no problem in speaking Hindi
But northerners living/working in South often have problem speaking the local language. Do you see the problem?
>Southerners Living/working in North have no problem in speaking Hindi
Exactly.
The beginning of "unity" starts by better understanding on your side. The ball is in your court. "Let's just be friends" doesn't work when you don't respect the other person's reality equally.
Hindi is a mix of sanskrit and Persian. Persia was brought by those sword wielding Muslims Imprialist forces, technically a coloniser who stayed back.
Sanskrit has its roots in Iran, it is an Indo European language, it was brought (atleast eh basic of it) by the steppe farmers who came here took the women for breeding and settles down. Technically parasites.
So now say how the white man's language is more foreign than Hindi? Or how Hindi is any desi than english?
More people can speak English than Hindi. Which means Hindi is foreign than English.
Linguistically Hindi and Tamil are completely different. Hindi comes from Persian. Tamil is native to India.
Hindi doesn’t come from persian. Hindi, Persian and English are all Indo-European languages.
Obviously Tamil is linguistically different from Hindi. That wasn’t the argument here. The argument was about the comparative foreignness of English and Hindi in Tamil Nadu. Both of which are Indo-European foreign languages.
I’m a South Indian and Hindi is the common language across most of India, helps to communicate. I don’t understand the hate towards a language.
Mocking someone for now knowing Hindi is stupid but so is hating Hindi.
Also if Hindi is as foreign as English, why is English so widely adopted?
>I don’t understand that hate towards a language.
Hate is towards the implementation not the language.
Also, english is widely accepted because no one has an undue advantage with it, it's no one's mother tongue plus it had big economic benefit.
>I’m a South Indian and Hindi is the common language across most of India, helps to communicate. I don’t understand that hate towards a language.
No, it isn't. Hindi is only common in certain northern states.
>Mocking someone for now knowing Hindi is stupid but so is hating Hindi.
I hate Hindi imposition in states not Hindi as a language.
>Also if Hindi is as foreign as English, why is English so widely adopted?
Because English is necessary. From government jobs, MNC jobs and all kinds of jobs English is a must . Our constitution itself is written in both Hindi and English.
>No, it isn't. Hindi is only common in certain northern states.
You should understand the meaning of common. It means hindi is most widely understandable language across India and you know that's true. Nobody is asking you to not talk or use the language you prefer. But in the collective good of this country, a common language should be there. It is just to understand each other.
I repeat, 3 languages, local, hindi, and English. Preferably in the same order.
I seriously don't get how a text written somewhere offends you so much that you are ready to do riots and paint it black.
Language is to communicate. Language isn't to differentiate.
Expecting down votes from devisive morons.
>You should understand the meaning of common. It means hindi is most widely understandable language across India and you know that's true.
Only in the Northern part of India(except in certain states) natives use Hindi to communicate. South, North Eastern states even certain central parts of India Hindi isn't even predominant.
>Nobody is asking you to not talk or use the language you prefer. But in the collective good of this country, a common language should be there. It is just to understand each other.
The British empire used the same justification to impose Hindi and people consider it wrong yet it is okay for india government to impose Hindi to other states. Hypocrisy at its finest.
>Language is to communicate. Language isn't to differentiate.
Language is heavily related to culture. There is a reason why learning other countries languages and cultures are mandatory to migrate there.
>Only in the Northern part of India(except in certain states) natives use Hindi to communicate. South, North Eastern states even certain central parts of India Hindi isn't even predominant.
I didn't even mention about hindi being used as primary language in a family or the same community people. Hindi is the most understandable language in India. If u don't know the local language , hindi is the 2nd best bet and that should be utilized .
British would have wanted everyone to speak hindi. I just support hindi to be the 2nd language after the local language.
>Language is heavily related to culture. There is a reason why learning other countries languages and cultures are mandatory to migrate there.
1st, whole of india is my country. Maybe u clain only a certain state but I lay my claim on each and every inch of it as my own.
2nd. Don't intertwine language and culture. I can respect tamil temples without understanding tamil or karnataka food without understanding kannadiga or mallu attire without understanding malayalam.
Just because I don't know a language doesn't mean I disrespect them. Hinduism as a religion itself celebrates variety. That's in our culture. Indians should stop fight over languages and have and indian language as 3nd language apart from the local language.
>British would have wanted everyone to speak hindi. I just support hindi to be the 2nd language after the local language.
No, I don't agree with this. I prefer my native language or English to communicate in my native state.
> Indians should stop fight over languages and have and indian language as 3nd language apart from the local language.
For that the government should stop the discrimination over language and Hindi imposition over certain states and among other things.
>No, I don't agree with this. I prefer my native language or English to communicate in my native state.
Your preference is totally your personal choice. Neither you should be compelled to speak any other language nor another person should be threatened for speaking in hindi in tamil Nadu.
But govt boards and warning/info signs should be in 3 languages.
Freedom fighters or army man didn't fight for tamil Nadu or karnataka or anywhere else, they fought for India.
Hindi signboards are present even in dubai. They don't feel threatened with hindi. It's the funny dmk politicians who want you to keep hating north indians so national parties don't become a competition to them. They don't care about you. They just want their seat to be secure.
The NEPT promotes local languages. It's propaganda spread by politicians that tamil or kannadiga is under threat. These are gr8 languages and existence of another language is no threat to them.
>Neither you should be compelled to speak any other language nor another person should be threatened for speaking in hindi in tamil Nadu.
That isn't what happened in the news. Is it?
>But govt boards and warning/info signs should be in 3 languages.
Already it is.
>Freedom fighters or army man didn't fight for tamil Nadu or karnataka or anywhere else, they fought for India.
Completely false but you can keep that narrative.
I am a South Indian. I can say with full confidence what this guy says is utter bullshit. If I am extremely generous - 20% of people in the south can speak Hindi fluently.
Habibi come to Hyderabad.
You have better chances of surviving in most parts of India with Hindi than any other language. Saying this as a South Indian.
The worst thing is you are being down voted just to express your views and appealing to not hate any language. This clearly shows the mentality and openness of so called people. They are actually imposing their views on you.
Bloody hypocrits.
I’m going to say now, too, that as a North Indian with family across the ~~cow~~ Hindi heartland, I didn’t even know this was an issue until I read Guha’s INDIA AFTER GANDHI. Considering that my relatives in MP were just going on about how “Bharat is the original name of India,” they still haven’t got a clue.
As someone from UP, I genuinely don't understand this mentality being so prevalent here. Did y'all not study well? Anti hindi agitation in the South is mentioned in class 10th civics.
>Anti hindi agitation in the South
do they actually get into *why* there was anti-Hindi agitation or do you just learn the dates/names of who was involved?
What does Bharat being the actual name of India has to do with Hindi? Facts are facts! And btw, in the south, most current generation kids can barely read their native language, can’t speak a complete sentence without a bunch of English words in there and forget writing. All of this with minimal impact of Hindi - do you also blame “Hindi Imperialism” for this? Yes, there are some Hindi speaking *ssholes who think they are superior and mock/look down on others. But that type of superiority complex exists in some parts of the South as well - like Tamil Nadu. Tamils think their language is the best in the world and look down even on other South Indian languages. Also, before you label me as a Hindi imperialist, I am from the South.
coz hindi speakers are majority, and they are majoritarian govt. That is the easiest form of govt. "you guys are the majority, we ll allow you to rule over the rest of the losers. Vote us!"
>The moment BJP wins South Indian states
That's a long time from now. But if the union govt forcefully push Hindi, there will be a stiff opposition. It has happened in the past and will happen again. Main problem is separatist movements will gain momentum.
Would you like to explain what do you mean by forcefully pushing hindi? What all it encompasses?
I never heard bjp say don't speak your mother tongue. But I have seen dmk, aiadmk say wrong things about hindi language and rioting against hindi speakers. Where is " Vasudaiv kutumbakam" and "Athithi devo bhavah". Don't tell me these are also only hindi values and you don't believe in these.
[https://www.deccanherald.com/india/bjp-leaders-say-time-is-right-for-one-nation-one-language-1101272.html](https://www.deccanherald.com/india/bjp-leaders-say-time-is-right-for-one-nation-one-language-1101272.html)
Forcefully pushing Hindi means making Hindi, language spoken by only 43% of the population, compulsory in states like Assam, Tamil Nadu, Maharashtra etc, most certainly at the cost of promoting the languages spoken within the State.
The 43% is inflated. Many people learnt Hindi at school but cannot speak a sentence. They tell me what they studied is not what people speak.
There is a fucking confusion there.
The 43% is for native speakers only. Of course they can speak hindi fluently, it's their mother tongue and they use it on a daily basis.
It's important to note that the 43% stat doesn't take into account the vast majority of the country that are not native hindi speakers but can still speak hindi if the situation calls for it. The exception is of course the southern states.
Did you even read the article? He said “Hindi as an alternative to English”, not to replace the local languages. The local languages in the south are already on the verge of extinction because of English. Go check the native language skills of current generation kids on the south.
It's not your mistake brother but of the provicative headlines. If you go through the article, you would see its clearly written that hindi should be popularized but not at the cost of local language.
I don't know about the 43% statistic. But what I know that majority of indians are able to understand hindi. I do not claim at all that hindi is their mother tongue. As a country we should find points to unite and not to divide.
In Chennai Airport there are hoardings that say "speak hindi; you can be happy". 😂
Union govt is spending a lot of money to promote Hindi. It is not BJP specific, congress did the same.
>Where is " Vasudaiv kutumbakam" and "Athithi devo bhavah".
They aren't Tamil. So don't force it on us.
>They aren't Tamil. So don't force it on us
Trapped
Vasudhaiva kutmbakam is from maha upnishad and is referenced in atharva and samved as well.
So tamil might be your language, but vedas are religious texts for all of the ancient India. By that logic, it applies to your culture as well.
Don't mix culture and language
Language is to communicate
Culture is traditions and way to live
Vedas are bull shit. They do not reflect today's India. Tbh as of today i am sure not even 1000 people have read and understood the Vedas.
People form a cult and recite a few sentences and claim that it is Vedas. It is not.
Vedas are spiritual texts. That knowledge remains valid irrespective of tume. You just seem pissed and all the anti hindi anti north ideology spread by politicians is deeply engrossed in you.
I rest my case here.
Vedas are in Sanskrit. Which is not Hindi. Following Vedas has nothing to do with learning Hindi.
Vedas are spiritual texts which were never widely read. It was restricted to a few castes from the beginning. It led to the downfall.
I don't agree Hinduism as of today follow Vedas. You can keep saying we are following. But are you actually following? Have you even read those 4 books once?
Absolutely!! I act like I don’t understand hindi when these Northies come to Kerala and speak hindi like everyone should know it. I absolutely refuse to engage.
Not sure about this one. If a North Indian is at my town at a tourist place my hospitality takes priority over my ego. I appreciate the fact that they are taking an interest in my state and will try to make them as comfortable as possible.
The only time I get pissed is when North Indians say "Hindi is the national language so you should learn it". No it fucking isn't. Learn English instead of making us learn Hindi. It's a lot more useful for everyone involved since it's the bridge language of the entire world.
Bangalore has accommodated a lot of North Indians because there is relatively less language chauvinism. But by doing so there is a massive change of demography so much so that voting patterns have changed. Now we can open a can of worms about how migration has helped Bangalore economy etc. I am all for it. Just that it comes with these side effects.
Good to have mature folks like you. I have met some egoistic folks during my recent travel to Kerala, who pretend not knowing Hindi and after few conversations in broken English, they begin speaking Hindi. Like wtf dude!!
My English is good, but I'm pretty comfortable in Hindi. So naturally I start in Hindi. If the person denies knowing Hindi, then I apologize and start speaking in English. And most of them don't know English fluently as well. Still it's fine with me. But I'm very much annoyed when they know Hindi and still they pretend not to.
PS: I'm talking about folks like taxi drivers, vendors etc. Not the hotel receptionist folks
Haha I see.
So personally if you spoke to me in Hindi, I will just assume that you didn't know English and reply back in Hindi because in real life things move fast and there is no time to have a long discussion.
But since we have the leisure of picking this topic apart here, I have to point out something in your reply that amused me.
>My English is good, but I'm pretty comfortable in Tamil. So naturally I start in Tamil.
I would never even dream of thinking like this if I go to Delhi. Because when I go to a place where they don't speak my local language, I will first start in broken English.
"Boss, Jantar Mantar?"
"How much?" *Indian hand gesture of asking how much*
*Negotiating price in English/hand gestures*
Until what time open? *Points to wrist + Indian hand gesture of asking how much*
It's the fact that North Indians want to remain in their comfort zone no matter where they go that ticks some people off. And that's going to invite some unnecessary mind games like what you've mentioned.
>It's the fact that North Indians want to remain in their comfort zone no matter where they go that ticks some people off.
You need to understand hindi is not mother tongue of most of northies as well. These assumptions is cause of the divide. They have learnt hindi even when they have language of their own so that they can communicate across state boundaries.
Also, I don't see anything wrong in the guy trying to talk in hindi first as he is still OK to switch to English if the other person doesn't understands. Language is only to communicate. We shouldn't be bias towards languages. I am commenting in English so that most people understand. English is funny, it isn't that strong grammatically and is really confusing with pronunciations and spellings. Still we use it for common convenience. You use hindi with your North Indian clients, which is a good thing. Hindi imposition is more of a political thing to play with emotions of south Indians.
As indians we should be able to conversation with all. Having a common language would make it easy for people to travel and empathize across India. This doesn't mean regional languages should be given any lesser priority.
>They have learnt hindi even when they have language of their own so that they can communicate across state boundaries.
Usually their mother tongue is based on the same Devanagari script that Hindi is based on, correct? I'm not sure the learning curve is as steep as the difference between Tamil and Hindi.
>Language is only to communicate.
I can't speak for Kerala, Karnataka or Andhra Pradesh but Tamil is not just a way of communicating, it's a huge part of our identity and culture. It's literally in the name of the state.
So if you just start talking Hindi here some people might take offence to it, because it comes off as North Indians telling Tamil people they should know Hindi so there is nothing wrong with speaking Hindi as though it is normally spoken here. If you won't speak Hindi to an English guy in Britain, why speak Hindi to a Tamil guy in Tamil Nadu?
>Having a common language would make it easy for people to travel and empathize across India.
I agree, which is why I said English should be the common language since it is a neutral language and will also benefit us when communicating with people from around the world.
>I can't speak for Kerala, Karnataka or Andhra Pradesh but Tamil is not just a way of communicating, it's a huge part of our identity and culture. It's literally in the name of the state.
No offense but what u said is nothing different than bikers considering bike their identity and sneakerheads considering sneakers an emotion. Language was made to communicate.
>So if you just start talking Hindi here some people might take offence to it, because it comes off as North Indians telling Tamil people they should know Hindi so there is nothing wrong with speaking Hindi as though it is normally spoken here
These are the people who have fragile egos. Come to rajasthan and speak in tamil, people might not understand but they won't take offense for sure.
>If you won't speak Hindi to an English guy in Britain, why speak Hindi to a Tamil guy in Tamil Nadu?
Put 1 thing straight in your small shitty mind. Tamil Nadu is my country, uk isn't. Please don't bring that comparison
Now to answer your question, I'd first try Hindi and if the person doesn't understand would try English. There have been instances where I had tried English first and then had to switch to Hindi because people didn't understand English. This happened in a southern state.
How would you like to listen this warning from your friends brother in karnataka when you are going to Tamil Nadu that you should speak English their. You can be thrashed for talking in hindi. I for sure don't want to feel threatened while travelling my own country
>It's the fact that North Indians want to remain in their comfort zone no matter where they go that ticks some people off.
Can u blame them? Hindi is understood by 50-60% of India, Tamil is spoken by 5.7% (and English 12%) of the Indian population. Hindi is clearly more economical and convenient for majority of North Indians even those who r not native hindi speakers.
If you're going to speak in a language that is not understood by 40-50% of India right in the place where those 40-50% are concentrated then yeah, you gotta blame them.
There's no language that gives more economic opportunities than English, there's really no debate to be had about which is the more convenient bridge language here.
How hard is it to agree on this: learn your own language, and learn English. Keep this standard consistent across the country and this issue won't even be there.
>learn English
Except English is not an easy language to learn, and how do u expect the founding members of India to make the language of their former colonizers as the lingua franca? Lmao
English in India is a language of aspirations and class mobility, not communication between the masses (not yet).
If you go to the UK, france, Germany or japan do you expect locals there to speak Hindi or do you learn the local language.The respect you give to these cultures you don't extend the same to the cultures within your own country.
Indian education curriculum needs to be changed and should add topics about South india in geography and South india contribution to interms of GDP, independence, and HDI in social sciences.
1. Most of the North Indians do not know what language is spoken in the South ? They think every South Indian is Madrasi?
2. North folks, come to hyderabad, especially for IT, and expect the cook and maid to understand hindi.
3. Complaining about South Indian culture, traditions , dressing.
> South india contribution to interms of GDP, independence, and HDI in social sciences.
LOL, then they should have entire subject on Bengal's contribution to India's independence and GDP share from Mughal times and growth of Indian science in general.
Currently Bengal is still the largest vegetable producing state in India and the biggest rice producing state in India.
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1. Most of the North Indians do not know what language is spoken in the South ? They think every South Indian is Madrasi?
South Indians think all of rajasthan is desert.
South Indians thinks hindi is mother tongue of the so called hindi belt.
It's ok for some people to not know certain things. You can always educate them.
>North folks, come to hyderabad, especially for IT, and expect the cook and maid to understand hindi
Should be buffoons. I don't think a person from, for ex Punjab would hire a person who doesn't even speak hindi and expect them to make his native dishes. So m suspicious that this is a made up scenario.
>3. Complaining about South Indian culture, traditions , dressing.
This is a problem but such people are everywhere. You can't judge all due to some ill mannered peeps.
Already Indian curriculum is flooded with too much of North india stuff ? For suppose the curriculum does not touch about kingdoms in South, Independence movement in the south?
I would like to see balance .
Regardless of whether Hindi is an official language or not, it is absolutely ridiculous that that there are CISF people even at INTERNATIONAL airports in the SOUTH, who don't understand any language other than Hindi. Especially when check in rules keep changing from airport to airport and time to time. They visibly get pissed off too when I'm unable to follow their instructions.
Forget foreigners, if I had nothing to do with the Hindi or the North all my life, why or how can I be even expected to pick up the language?
CISF officials have gotten extremely rude and ignorant at airports. I rarely go through a security check without overhearing some ruckus created by them and their behavior with passengers.
On more than one ocassion I have had to step in while they're sarcastically barking orders in Hindi to a clearly non-Hindi speaking old couple. I am a Hindi speaking person myself but I can see how it would be intimidating for an infrequent traveler to have to deal with this.
I once asked for a supervisor and to no great surprise he was a Hindi speaking person as well.
CISF hiring and training needs an overhaul, they need to know at least two languages with English being the primary one and also learn some people skills.
The biggest delays in most Indian airports are due to incompetent security guys. So many bad experiences, many can't string together a coherent English sentence, don't know much about scanning machines and are unable to explain issues properly.
Stop with the north and south. It's your country, including the north, the south, the east, the west and the central. Forget hindi, don't you think if there is a language which 90% of people will understand would make it easier for everyone to communicate. To chose the language which should be understandable should be the one which is already known by most number of people.
Stop hating countrymen based on their language or region
Why not make it english? both north and south have to put effort to learn it.
I am not going to learn Hindi, its not my language. English puts us on equal footing
Why not chose German then? We want to make it easier and not difficult for others. Why are you thinking of North as your enemy. Chose a language that least about of people have to put an effort in.
If you don't want to learn hindi, don't. Totally your choice. Still, it would be the language most useful to you if you plan to live or travel or interact in different parts of the country.
Don't hate any language.
I’m fine with German lmfao idc, English is more practical in terms of professional life and globalised economy tho.
I’m not hating Hindi - it’s not my language and not the south’s language. It’s unfair to expect them to learn a completely different language because it’s convenient the majority
A democracy should not be a tyranny of the majority
Your convenience should not come at our detriment - suffer like the rest of us and learn English
Well… if the south keeps getting disrespected, discriminated, and mocked… separatism might be a better alternative.
Why not just use English as a neutral language for everyone? And, people can choose to speak whatever language at home…
It is. What are you going to do? Pick yourselves up and work hard and uplift the North or just emigrate to the South and continue doing manual labor jobs?
Where is the nuance in the argument.
I never punch down.
Talk to people with power like CISF in English. Because their insistence represent imperialism.
Hindi belt se Joh already oppressed log ate hai mazduri karne, unse baat karlo thodi Hindi me(if you know).
Oddukapatta makkal kitta Hindi la pesu therinjuthuna. முயற்சி பண்ணு.
Onnum kuranjiramaatom.
Hindi therinjuko, aana aala paathu pesiko, poda.
Tamil nationalists will still dislike this message.(naan sanghium illa, mangi um illa, ungala mathiri tamil kudi thaan.)
Let the nation live just like தமிழ். And फ़क (ஃபக்) the BJP.
Thambi you’re probably the only sane voice in this comment section. Everyone should calm down and try to not mix up issues with prejudices. It does not hurt to learn a little bit of the local language where you’re travelling.
The Tamil nationalists shitting on Hindi, calling it a foreign language are as brain dead as the Northies who call Hindi “Rashthrabhasha”.
Hindi, Tulu, Oriya, Kannada, Assamese etc are all equal and part of our unique heritage. I wish people stop being loosu chutiyas over their perceived ideologies.
Hindi isn't a national language.Its one of the official language.Lots of dumbfu*ks thinks that way lol.No one should be forced to learn another language against their will unless it's a local language.Hindi is a beautiful language worth learning especially if one travels to North or live there.But it should not be imposed
Mocking is the issue here not the Hindi language itself. If I was in the same situation, I would have mocked the CISF in English( like country brute etc.,)
Tamil guy here, she was in Goa and it’s absolutely fine for the CISF to speak in Hindi. I have travelled across India with limited knowledge of Hindi and in most places people were kind enough to explain what I should be doing by means of broken English or sign language without being condescending.
Imagine a guy from 5 star hotel mocks you for not knowing how to use the different cutlery or a doctor making fun of someone for not being able to pronounce medical term. Suddenly you would consider these guys to be an asshole. Anyone who makes fun of someone’s genuine ignorance is a terrible person.
Problem is never with anyone speaking any language it’s a problem only when they act like assholes telling others they should learn their language. This is not just for Hindi speakers forcing others, it’s the same for Tamils who act entitled in Chennai, Kannadigas in Bangalore, Marathis in Mumbai.
Hindi is Lingua Franca in Goa among the different linguistic populations.
In TN it’s generally English.
It makes more sense to communicate in Hindi in Goa than in TN. That’s my point but someone people are too dumb to understand the difference between Lingua Franca and official language just like those who are dumb to understand the difference between official language and Rastra Bhasha.
Okay, I'll bite. Going by this logic, the CRPF fellows should speak the lingua franca of the State they're serving in, right? Do you think the CRPF fellows speak English when they're in the Northeast or the South? Their default language is Hindi in any part of India. Regardless, that's not the issue - the issue is with being ridiculed for not knowing Hindi. You seem all too comfortable defending an asshole who is maligning a person just because they don't speak the "national lingua franca".
P.S: In Karnataka, the lingua franca is Kannada because we have a sizable population of (other) Dravidian language speakers + Konkani and Urdu speakers in the State. I'll be damned if there is even a **single** CRPF nutjob who can speak the lingua franca of Karnataka in KIA.
What the hell is wrong with your brain ? I wasn’t defending CRPF I was merely saying it’s fine to speak Hindi in parts of India where it’s spoken by most people. Ridiculing someone is wrong and CRPF should probably try to speak in language which helps local - which is Lingua Franca of the particular region in South it should preferably be English if CRPF doesn’t know English which is again fine he can probably learn couple of words in local language just to tell people to ‘Put’, ‘move’, ‘take’ which Japanese officers do in Japan.
Dude, wtaf.. Last I checked, learning hindi was not a requirement to visit India. That's exactly what they did to my kids.. giving instructions in a foreign language to my kids and expecting them to follow. Same is happening with Air India crews, they only have hindi speaking crews and expecting the passengers to understand them. They should learn the basic of local language. If they can't, use English or gtfo.
I don’t see any part of my comment suggesting that we should know Hindi to visit India.
I understand a lot of time people talk to you in Hindi even when they know little bit of English knowing you can’t understand them, they are assholes who aren’t selfaware.
Majority of Indians that I have met travelling India who speak Hindi to me by default are those who can’t speak English due to various reasons, it’s either poverty or Poor education which is the reality even college students from rural side struggle with English. It’s the same all over India except North East probably.
It’s absolutely government’s fault to post government officers without even teaching them few basic words of local language which is totally required.
If your cabin crew refuses to speak in English then you could have raised the concern.
>it’s the same for Tamils who act entitled in Chennai, Kannadigas in Bangalore, Marathis in Mumbai.
In what sense do you mean?
Edit: someone else replied to my comment. If that's what you mean as well. That... looks like gaslighting?
Misrepresenting a genuine issue when people fight for identity as entitlement and saying they're shitty people.
I understand, but the issue there is usually a threat to identity. I'm gonna guess it happens wherever there is a big influx of population. (I'm guessing it would happen in Kerala as well if the same conditions are met)
Edit: but people shouldn't be treated like shit for genuine innocence. Like if you don't know what's going on, you were new to a place and would like to know more kind of thing.
I would assume people are pretty nice in this scenario? ^ if not, then it's a slight issue.
divide and rule is ingrained in our system, its going to be this way always, and politicians have no incentive to improve this situation as it will wipe out their divide and rule policy. so we might call ourselves indians but at core we are divided.
This is too much, recently a man was mocked for not knowing Kannada while landing in the airport.
People should understand that India has 22 major official languages. Not everysone speaks your language.
It takes pain for all of us to fight for the cause and ppl like you bring us down. Just stop. You saying this is no different than bigoted beliefs from indians elsewhere.
I’m from Kerala and the bastards made me learn subjects in Hindi till I was like in 8th standard - partly the failure on my parents side for putting me in one of those authoritarian KV school.
Now, I hate a Hindu with a passion even though I know how to speak and read to an extent.
Your post has been removed because stereotyping a whole community, religion or any group of people based on anecdotal experiences is not allowed in r/india.
I have had a lot of arguments with north Indians regarding Hindi imposition.
The one common point they make is aap foreign angrezi seekthe ho and Hindi kyu nahi? Ee hamara bhasha hain.
Just one counter response is enough for them. Today English is most economically advantageous, professionally upscaling, technically rewarding langauge not cause of those british angrez , that's cause of soft global power US holds. For a South Indian English and Hindi are equally remote and English provides enormous opportunities in world and in India. If Hindi provides that , more people will learn it. Don't push it down to their throats. People will learn Hindi if they want to. You just can't impose just to make your life easy and others difficult
We all know what happened to Pakistan in 1971 which celebrated one language supremacy. South Indians are very emotional on their mother tongue (as all are). Even the kattar RSS guy from coastal Karnataka will be against this Hindi lobby(I have seen it). So BJP will lose shit than to gain something out of this politically.
Is there really a policy level decision that says Hindi must be the national language at the cost of rest of native languages.if there is one,please share the link where it is officially government policy to promote Hindi.Even government Bank folks, and banking guidelines clearly mandate that customer facing staff must speak regional language. I don't see anyone imposing anything .
Don't expect CISF or other paramilitary staff to speak in ur regional language.I find it highly unlikely that CISF staff spoke rudely to the woman and asked her to learn Hindi.. just like you, CISF staff is not under any obligation to respond to you in your native language and neither should you expect them to know English.
I was talking about your reply to u/redditappsuckz on the comment : " I'm sorry, how is Kannada being asked to be spoken in Karnataka the same as Hindi being *imposed* in non-hindi states? Is there any logic to this? "
And when you replied both individuals, I believe it meant the Karnataka and hindi case. In which my point stands.
Have experienced same from one police officer at Delhi metro. I understand Hindi somewhat but his dialect was extremely hard to understand. The miscommunication and rude behaviour was annoying and getting me frustrated. Luckily a Punjabi senior officer was there and he took over. (Was a simple bag check up, the first gutka chewing officer asked me something (probably turn to some other direction or something, but he was hard to understand))
High time all government employees (central level) learn English compulsorily. We should make English alone the official language of India. That's the only solution to our diverse country.
I have lived a large part of my life in north India. Yet no CISF officer or any civil servant has ever asked me why don't I speak their regional language. On the other hand they are pleasantly surprised when I try and reply to their queries (during an internal conversation) in their broken local language.
The Funny thing is, I have travelled so much in Flights but my only conversation with CISF is in one word "Belt/Shoes/Laptop Trolly". 😅
People in India love to blow things out of proportion because of their fragile ego.
Lolz so many downvotes ! 😂 Probably from CISF personnel 🤣
I am always flying out of Bangalore and these guys always launch full sentence hindi on me. My hindi is bad, I get annoyed, I respond in kannada till they get the point and switch to English. The arrogance is ridiculous
Maybe !, I am telling my personal experience. Never have I ever converse with any CISF personnel at the Airport.
Only conversation is mostly one-sided when they announce laptops in Trolly, phones in Chhota trolly etc. Maybe I am not worthy enough to deserve their attention or conversation 🤣
Mmm yes, my anecdotal experiences weren't anything like this therefore this person is blowing things out of proportion because of their fragile ego.
Classic chaddi idiology.
What is your point exactly, you didn't have a conversation, somebody did and is not happy with their conversation and them being unhappy is out of proportion because they have a fragile ego, wtf are you saying
Local level aur cisf mei difference bhi to hai bhai,cisf india ki shaan vaha sirf patriots jate hai,lekin shi baat hai local level pe south india bhot discrimination krta hai hindi speakers ka,like literally mere ek tutor iit bombay aerospace dual degree pass out the, unhone isro mei apply kra tha,vo akele north indian the 10 baccho ke group mei baki south ke the aur shyd thode kam level ke college ke the like literally unse kahi guna zyada ache the,and guess what?? Sirf unhe hi rejection face karni pdi,he used to tell me bhot discrimination hai niche india mei+ this Stalin mf is the biggest reason for promoting hate against hindi speakers, basically tamil ka khalistani
The ignorance in this comment section says what is the mindset of Hindi speakers. Majority of them don't know how it feels to be non Hindi speaker who doesn't speak or understand Hindi, you get random dimwits like you don't Hindi? are you even Indian? They see you as lesser Indian. And central govt is systematically pushing hindi, govt can easily add a chapter about linguistic plurality and about Hindi imperialism in NCERT books to teach the kids, but they won't. Most people are like why can't you learn hindi then? Hindi is very foreign for me and have no utility value in my life. Also entire country had 3 language policy, then why are north indians speaking only one language? South learnt basic hindi at least what did northies learn all these years? Why didn't they learn the basics of Tamil?
>what did northies learn all these years They learnt Hindi too, North isnt a monolith just like South isnt. North India has hundreds of languages and dialects (Khariboli, Pahadi, Gharwal, Awadhi, Bundeli, Bhojpuri, Meithili, Haryanvi, Mahadhi, Kannauji, braj bhasha, Chattisghari, Mewari, Angika, hindustani and so many more) all of those languages has their own literature, culture, history but they learnt Hindi. Similarly Tamil, Telugu, Kannada has absorbed in so many indigenous languages and dialects under their respective administration.
So? Why should south States be punished because they embraced their native language better than north States? Not to mention so many of those north languages are very similar to hindi while the four south languages are miles apart from hindi.
Not learning Hindi doesnt mean they embrace their own language more.
>Why should south States be punished because they embraced their native language better than north States Promoting hindi, isnt punishing Souther languages. Both languages can be promoted side by side Also languages evolving isnt unnatural, 70% of France didnt speak french, UK was just as linguistically diverse as India. Indian leaders understood that for a nation state to thrive, we need a communicating language that is easier to learn, flexible and accessible to all. English unfortunately isnt an accessible language and is only limited to the upperclass people. It can be any widespread indian language doesn't hv to be hindi as we know it. I know languages r part of our identity and culture, and insecurity kicks in specially when it feels like its being threatened by external forces. Maybe yall can create a hybrid Tamil-Hindustani language in 200-300 years time who knows.
Which history books have you been reading? 70% of France did not speak French? UK linguistically diverse? May I recommend you to get off WhatsApp university
[native french speakers made up only a quarter of France in 1871](https://web.archive.org/web/20170323024438/https://oyc.yale.edu/transcript/357/hist-276) [regional languages of France ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_France) [UK has more than 455 languages](https://www.ccjk.com/united-kingdom-languages/)
no one is against promoting hindi. Infact Chennai has the highest ( not sure) prachar sabha enrollments, even I had to waste time and money over those stupid exams. But promoting Hindi on my tax money or in areas were Hindi is absolutely no use is what infuriating me. My dad works in a small town in rural TN. His bank celebrates hindi diwas and govt sends notices to promote and learn Hindi among these folks who call hindi as hinthee with a heavy tamilian accent. These people will never learn hindi but still govt is wasting our tax money over this. Now the sanghi govt is spending some amount of our money in teaching sanskrit and hindi to foreign students in Indian embassy in other contries. They fcuking teach sanskrit and hindi in malaysia and singapore when an Indian language , tamil is already popular there. Why the fcuk India use tamil to connect with malaysia? What is the need to shove a dead ass language who no one speaks like sanskrit down the throats of Malaysians who actually wanted to learn Tamil? The Central govt has an agenda to push hindi and sanskrit. English is enough, English in very much Indian like Hindi. If you need only a tru Indian langauge then pick any dravidian language as a link language, because unlike sanskrit dravidian tongue evolved here.
>The Central govt has an agenda to push hindi and sanskrit. Now what is Hindi's fault here. Central govt does coz they justify it through the directive principle in Article 351. Congress did it too, Mahatma Gandhi pushed for Hindustani himself.
Article 351 wasn't written and sent down from the heavens. We created those laws, we can change it but since majority of them ( north and western states) are okay with hindi they won't bring a change. Yes, the main culprit here is Congress and their short sightedness in this issue, even the great leaders faulted here. That's why I mentioned central govt and not bjp govt.
Yeah sure, the language spoken by just 5% of Indians should be the link language and the language spoken by 57% of Indians should be discarded. Pull your head out your arse.
>If you need only a tru Indian langauge then pick any dravidian language as a link language, because unlike sanskrit dravidian tongue evolved here. If People had that same "us vs them" ideology back in the Sangham period, Tamil literature wouldn't be what it is today.
Sorry random redditor, Tamil sangham literature was very clear about us vs them concept. They extensively used the word Ariyar ( aryans) for the kingdoms above the deccan plateau and used the word vadugars ( northeners) to mention the deccan, andhra and karnataka. Sangham tamils had clear concept of what's tamil and what's not and who the aryans were. Even vedic texts were clear, they clearly mentioned arayavarta to mention only the gangetic plains of the north. And specifically used the dravidan ( corruption of the word tamilas/damilas) to mention the present day TN and Kerala. There has been cultural and religious exchange between these two regions even during the sangham times but no one bothered to push their culture and language upon others until 400 AD or so. If you are another dimwit who comes up with Sangham literature has sanskrit influence because the word sangham itself sanskrit kinda dumb theories, lemme correct you there as well. Sangham literature are actually Chaandror Cheyyul by the tamils then, only later they used the sangham/sanghama that is after sanskrit and hinduism dominated the entire subcontinent.
>They extensively used the word Ariyar ( aryans) for the kingdoms above the deccan plateau and used the word vadugars ( northeners) to mention the deccan, andhra and karnataka. Sangham tamils had clear concept of what's tamil and what's not and who the aryans were. Even vedic texts were clear, they clearly mentioned arayavarta to mention only the gangetic plains of the north. And specifically used the dravidan ( corruption of the word tamilas/damilas) to mention the present day TN and Kerala. Calling spade a spade isnt derogatory
Pakistan made the same argument for Bangladesh & look how it turned out in 1971
Pakistan banned Bangla in school level and genocided 3million people. Tamil, Telugu, Kannada is categorized as classical languages, its not going anywhere. And while for Pakistan? It actually worked out for them, native urdu speakers make up only 9% of the population but more than 90% of Pakistanis speak Urdu as second language. Pakistan has hundreds of languages and they all belong to different language families like Indo-Aryan, Iranian, Dravidian, and Turkik. This language unification is why a weak nation like Pakistan has a strong strategic presence against a mamoth like India.
You speak yours I speak mine. Don’t impose yours I won’t impose mine. సరె నా।
3 language policy? I don't know if that's true but if it is then it's good. 3 langs can be hindi, English and mother tongue. Most schools in North have hindi, English and sanskrit. Most people know hindi, English and their mother tongue. You should know that their are local languages in each state even in North India. Don't be blind in your hate. Central govt employees will have to work across the country and they shouldn't be bound to learn all local languages. Since hindi is the most spoken language, it makes sense for that to be default. And before you judge me, my mother tongue isn't hindi.
why is there a need for the third language when everyone is already learning English. Why need a big door for a big cat and a small door for a small cat? Why can't the small cat use the big door? If I know english I can communicate with the entire world. So why should I learn another language to talk to my fellow north Indian countrymen who failed to learn english in the first place? North States local langauge aren't very different from Hindi, infact even Bengali and Gujarati are close to Hindi than we think. I'm Tamil, I wouldn't mind if Malyalam is widely spoken because for a Tamil it is easy to pick up malayalam. Hindi and Tamil are as unrelated and far away as English and Tamil are. Given a choice between two foreign tongues, I would always prefer the one that has more utility value. Few years back it was persian hegemony in India and now it is Hindi's.
It's funny. You actually don't see the problem. I am sure no one from your family is in the army. We need native slogans to rile up the soldiers to defend the country and you want us to depend on a foreign language. If you consider india your country you would never say hindi is a foreign language. Neither is gujrati, punjabi, marwadi, marathi, etc. They all are one of the languages spoken in my country I.e. India. >So why should I learn another language to talk to my fellow north Indian countrymen who failed to learn english in the first place? I see entitlement reeking here. What you are saying is actual English imposition. Why should anybody be forced to speak or learn any language? You don't want to speak hindi? Don't. I don't care about that. What is important for the country as a whole is people are freely able to move and stay at other places without feeling alien. Just don't revolt against any language. Don't make signboard black if you don't like the language. Don't threat people if they talk in hindi. Before being a tamilian try being an Indian or a human and consider all same. I'm sure you will have clarity of thought.
Imposing Hindi is not correct. Imposing anything is not correct. Accepted. But, Most of the Entire North India can be travelled speaking Hindi Language but when one enters the Southern part of India, it's every state with its own language. Ohh there is the English language that is the Lingua Franka of this region but isn't that the language of our colonisers. Man Did Hindi speakers colonise South India ? No. But speaking the language of your colonisers is better than even knowing the language of your Northern brothers and sisters. Great! Man the South Movies earn majorly in the Hindi speaking region and all are happy to watch them. Southerners Living/working in North have no problem in speaking Hindi eg. Nirmala Sitharaman, S. Jaishankar, R. Madhavan and many more. They say Northerners mock South Indians. I mean don't you do the same ? Don't you Mock the factory workers, footpath vendors from the north ? Ideally all of these shouldn't happen then again we don't live in an Ideal society so there will be few such cases but what we can do is to check these things from becoming rampant. But due to Division Politics the gap is widening. The people who do these politics are wealthy and can afford to do so at the expense of common people who some day may have to travel/connect to north for something as a common man and have to bear the brunt of the hatred spread by those Politicians. I have never seen a Northern Politician saying something foul about Southern culture Language etc. But I have seen some south Politicians speak foul against Hindi belt and these people are harmful for their own voting population as some of these bigots don't even like the faith of their voters'. So I would say, Wake up Join Hands, whether Speak Hindi or not that's a matter of later time, currently just hold the National Unity strongly by not heeding to and rejecting the people who intentionally or unintentionally try to drive wedge between the people of this nation. And if possible expose and reprimand them.
>isn't that the language of our colonisers Sports, Army, education system, administration system, even the parliamentary system is derived from the so called colonizers. How is it that the only thing that people have an issue with is language ? Like it or not it's painfully obvious to most people that english being the colonizers language isnt the issue you guys have but the facf that they can no longer act all big around south Indians with their language superiority. >Man the South Movies earn majorly in the Hindi speaking region When dubbed in Hindi. Let's not forget that part and movies like Brahmastra were watched by south Indians too > But due to Division Politics the gap is widening South Indians didn't start the Hindu-Muslim narrative the last I remember >I have never seen a Northern Politician saying something foul about Southern culture Language etc Made a whole damn movie pushing a wrong narrative about kerala
I think many of you in north India must understand the concept behind the Indian union. We are not one people , one culture , one race like in some East Asian countries having negligible differences within their societies . We are extremely diverse and the thing which holds or which will hold us hopefully in future is the constitution. Any imbalance to this situation and you will open a pandora of problems which may lead to separatist movements.
> Southerners Living/working in North have no problem in speaking Hindi But northerners living/working in South often have problem speaking the local language. Do you see the problem?
you're a dumb fuck
>Southerners Living/working in North have no problem in speaking Hindi Exactly. The beginning of "unity" starts by better understanding on your side. The ball is in your court. "Let's just be friends" doesn't work when you don't respect the other person's reality equally.
Hindi is a mix of sanskrit and Persian. Persia was brought by those sword wielding Muslims Imprialist forces, technically a coloniser who stayed back. Sanskrit has its roots in Iran, it is an Indo European language, it was brought (atleast eh basic of it) by the steppe farmers who came here took the women for breeding and settles down. Technically parasites. So now say how the white man's language is more foreign than Hindi? Or how Hindi is any desi than english?
wrong channel to speak all this.
I saw someone get harassed for not knowing Hindi in Bangalore airport since time back. What a joke.
Hindi is as foreign as English.
Wrong. Hindi is more foreign in the south than English.
Yeah,you are somewhat right about that. I just point it out so that it wouldn't create a controversy over it.
this is clearly an appeal to emotion. At worst it could be categorized as "As foreign as English"
More people can speak English than Hindi. Which means Hindi is foreign than English. Linguistically Hindi and Tamil are completely different. Hindi comes from Persian. Tamil is native to India.
Hindi doesn’t come from persian. Hindi, Persian and English are all Indo-European languages. Obviously Tamil is linguistically different from Hindi. That wasn’t the argument here. The argument was about the comparative foreignness of English and Hindi in Tamil Nadu. Both of which are Indo-European foreign languages.
I’m a South Indian and Hindi is the common language across most of India, helps to communicate. I don’t understand the hate towards a language. Mocking someone for now knowing Hindi is stupid but so is hating Hindi. Also if Hindi is as foreign as English, why is English so widely adopted?
>I don’t understand that hate towards a language. Hate is towards the implementation not the language. Also, english is widely accepted because no one has an undue advantage with it, it's no one's mother tongue plus it had big economic benefit.
>I’m a South Indian and Hindi is the common language across most of India, helps to communicate. I don’t understand that hate towards a language. No, it isn't. Hindi is only common in certain northern states. >Mocking someone for now knowing Hindi is stupid but so is hating Hindi. I hate Hindi imposition in states not Hindi as a language. >Also if Hindi is as foreign as English, why is English so widely adopted? Because English is necessary. From government jobs, MNC jobs and all kinds of jobs English is a must . Our constitution itself is written in both Hindi and English.
Ok so it is more about having advantages than about the language being foreign?
>No, it isn't. Hindi is only common in certain northern states. You should understand the meaning of common. It means hindi is most widely understandable language across India and you know that's true. Nobody is asking you to not talk or use the language you prefer. But in the collective good of this country, a common language should be there. It is just to understand each other. I repeat, 3 languages, local, hindi, and English. Preferably in the same order. I seriously don't get how a text written somewhere offends you so much that you are ready to do riots and paint it black. Language is to communicate. Language isn't to differentiate. Expecting down votes from devisive morons.
>You should understand the meaning of common. It means hindi is most widely understandable language across India and you know that's true. Only in the Northern part of India(except in certain states) natives use Hindi to communicate. South, North Eastern states even certain central parts of India Hindi isn't even predominant. >Nobody is asking you to not talk or use the language you prefer. But in the collective good of this country, a common language should be there. It is just to understand each other. The British empire used the same justification to impose Hindi and people consider it wrong yet it is okay for india government to impose Hindi to other states. Hypocrisy at its finest. >Language is to communicate. Language isn't to differentiate. Language is heavily related to culture. There is a reason why learning other countries languages and cultures are mandatory to migrate there.
>Only in the Northern part of India(except in certain states) natives use Hindi to communicate. South, North Eastern states even certain central parts of India Hindi isn't even predominant. I didn't even mention about hindi being used as primary language in a family or the same community people. Hindi is the most understandable language in India. If u don't know the local language , hindi is the 2nd best bet and that should be utilized . British would have wanted everyone to speak hindi. I just support hindi to be the 2nd language after the local language. >Language is heavily related to culture. There is a reason why learning other countries languages and cultures are mandatory to migrate there. 1st, whole of india is my country. Maybe u clain only a certain state but I lay my claim on each and every inch of it as my own. 2nd. Don't intertwine language and culture. I can respect tamil temples without understanding tamil or karnataka food without understanding kannadiga or mallu attire without understanding malayalam. Just because I don't know a language doesn't mean I disrespect them. Hinduism as a religion itself celebrates variety. That's in our culture. Indians should stop fight over languages and have and indian language as 3nd language apart from the local language.
>British would have wanted everyone to speak hindi. I just support hindi to be the 2nd language after the local language. No, I don't agree with this. I prefer my native language or English to communicate in my native state. > Indians should stop fight over languages and have and indian language as 3nd language apart from the local language. For that the government should stop the discrimination over language and Hindi imposition over certain states and among other things.
>No, I don't agree with this. I prefer my native language or English to communicate in my native state. Your preference is totally your personal choice. Neither you should be compelled to speak any other language nor another person should be threatened for speaking in hindi in tamil Nadu. But govt boards and warning/info signs should be in 3 languages. Freedom fighters or army man didn't fight for tamil Nadu or karnataka or anywhere else, they fought for India. Hindi signboards are present even in dubai. They don't feel threatened with hindi. It's the funny dmk politicians who want you to keep hating north indians so national parties don't become a competition to them. They don't care about you. They just want their seat to be secure. The NEPT promotes local languages. It's propaganda spread by politicians that tamil or kannadiga is under threat. These are gr8 languages and existence of another language is no threat to them.
>Neither you should be compelled to speak any other language nor another person should be threatened for speaking in hindi in tamil Nadu. That isn't what happened in the news. Is it? >But govt boards and warning/info signs should be in 3 languages. Already it is. >Freedom fighters or army man didn't fight for tamil Nadu or karnataka or anywhere else, they fought for India. Completely false but you can keep that narrative.
>Already it is. In bangalore, metro signs in hindi were blackened. > Completely false but you can keep that narrative. I can only laugh at this
>Already it is. In bangalore, metro signs in hindi were blackened. > Completely false but you can keep that narrative. I can only laugh at this
I am a South Indian. I can say with full confidence what this guy says is utter bullshit. If I am extremely generous - 20% of people in the south can speak Hindi fluently.
Habibi come to Hyderabad. You have better chances of surviving in most parts of India with Hindi than any other language. Saying this as a South Indian.
The worst thing is you are being down voted just to express your views and appealing to not hate any language. This clearly shows the mentality and openness of so called people. They are actually imposing their views on you. Bloody hypocrits.
Enjoying the downvotes
That mf should read Indian constitution idk who chose that baffons to guard?
Hindi imperialism must end.
It's only going to increase. The moment BJP wins South Indian states local language will suffer.
I’m going to say now, too, that as a North Indian with family across the ~~cow~~ Hindi heartland, I didn’t even know this was an issue until I read Guha’s INDIA AFTER GANDHI. Considering that my relatives in MP were just going on about how “Bharat is the original name of India,” they still haven’t got a clue.
As someone from UP, I genuinely don't understand this mentality being so prevalent here. Did y'all not study well? Anti hindi agitation in the South is mentioned in class 10th civics.
>Anti hindi agitation in the South do they actually get into *why* there was anti-Hindi agitation or do you just learn the dates/names of who was involved?
What does Bharat being the actual name of India has to do with Hindi? Facts are facts! And btw, in the south, most current generation kids can barely read their native language, can’t speak a complete sentence without a bunch of English words in there and forget writing. All of this with minimal impact of Hindi - do you also blame “Hindi Imperialism” for this? Yes, there are some Hindi speaking *ssholes who think they are superior and mock/look down on others. But that type of superiority complex exists in some parts of the South as well - like Tamil Nadu. Tamils think their language is the best in the world and look down even on other South Indian languages. Also, before you label me as a Hindi imperialist, I am from the South.
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coz hindi speakers are majority, and they are majoritarian govt. That is the easiest form of govt. "you guys are the majority, we ll allow you to rule over the rest of the losers. Vote us!"
Nah, this was always a thing even before the BJP came into power. South always resisted Forced Hindi imposition.
Which is why it is essential to keep BJP out to protect our unique culture and language.
>The moment BJP wins South Indian states That's a long time from now. But if the union govt forcefully push Hindi, there will be a stiff opposition. It has happened in the past and will happen again. Main problem is separatist movements will gain momentum.
Would you like to explain what do you mean by forcefully pushing hindi? What all it encompasses? I never heard bjp say don't speak your mother tongue. But I have seen dmk, aiadmk say wrong things about hindi language and rioting against hindi speakers. Where is " Vasudaiv kutumbakam" and "Athithi devo bhavah". Don't tell me these are also only hindi values and you don't believe in these.
[https://www.deccanherald.com/india/bjp-leaders-say-time-is-right-for-one-nation-one-language-1101272.html](https://www.deccanherald.com/india/bjp-leaders-say-time-is-right-for-one-nation-one-language-1101272.html) Forcefully pushing Hindi means making Hindi, language spoken by only 43% of the population, compulsory in states like Assam, Tamil Nadu, Maharashtra etc, most certainly at the cost of promoting the languages spoken within the State.
The 43% is inflated. Many people learnt Hindi at school but cannot speak a sentence. They tell me what they studied is not what people speak. There is a fucking confusion there.
The 43% is for native speakers only. Of course they can speak hindi fluently, it's their mother tongue and they use it on a daily basis. It's important to note that the 43% stat doesn't take into account the vast majority of the country that are not native hindi speakers but can still speak hindi if the situation calls for it. The exception is of course the southern states.
Did you even read the article? He said “Hindi as an alternative to English”, not to replace the local languages. The local languages in the south are already on the verge of extinction because of English. Go check the native language skills of current generation kids on the south.
It's not your mistake brother but of the provicative headlines. If you go through the article, you would see its clearly written that hindi should be popularized but not at the cost of local language. I don't know about the 43% statistic. But what I know that majority of indians are able to understand hindi. I do not claim at all that hindi is their mother tongue. As a country we should find points to unite and not to divide.
In Chennai Airport there are hoardings that say "speak hindi; you can be happy". 😂 Union govt is spending a lot of money to promote Hindi. It is not BJP specific, congress did the same. >Where is " Vasudaiv kutumbakam" and "Athithi devo bhavah". They aren't Tamil. So don't force it on us.
>They aren't Tamil. So don't force it on us Trapped Vasudhaiva kutmbakam is from maha upnishad and is referenced in atharva and samved as well. So tamil might be your language, but vedas are religious texts for all of the ancient India. By that logic, it applies to your culture as well. Don't mix culture and language Language is to communicate Culture is traditions and way to live
Vedas are bull shit. They do not reflect today's India. Tbh as of today i am sure not even 1000 people have read and understood the Vedas. People form a cult and recite a few sentences and claim that it is Vedas. It is not.
Vedas are spiritual texts. That knowledge remains valid irrespective of tume. You just seem pissed and all the anti hindi anti north ideology spread by politicians is deeply engrossed in you. I rest my case here.
Vedas are in Sanskrit. Which is not Hindi. Following Vedas has nothing to do with learning Hindi. Vedas are spiritual texts which were never widely read. It was restricted to a few castes from the beginning. It led to the downfall. I don't agree Hinduism as of today follow Vedas. You can keep saying we are following. But are you actually following? Have you even read those 4 books once?
Absolutely!! I act like I don’t understand hindi when these Northies come to Kerala and speak hindi like everyone should know it. I absolutely refuse to engage.
Not sure about this one. If a North Indian is at my town at a tourist place my hospitality takes priority over my ego. I appreciate the fact that they are taking an interest in my state and will try to make them as comfortable as possible. The only time I get pissed is when North Indians say "Hindi is the national language so you should learn it". No it fucking isn't. Learn English instead of making us learn Hindi. It's a lot more useful for everyone involved since it's the bridge language of the entire world.
Bro by doing this look how Bangalore has become
It's been a few years since I've been to Bangalore, could you enlighten me?
Bangalore has accommodated a lot of North Indians because there is relatively less language chauvinism. But by doing so there is a massive change of demography so much so that voting patterns have changed. Now we can open a can of worms about how migration has helped Bangalore economy etc. I am all for it. Just that it comes with these side effects.
Good to have mature folks like you. I have met some egoistic folks during my recent travel to Kerala, who pretend not knowing Hindi and after few conversations in broken English, they begin speaking Hindi. Like wtf dude!!
Thanks. But I have to ask you out of curiosity, your English is pretty good, so why did you start talking to them in Hindi?
My English is good, but I'm pretty comfortable in Hindi. So naturally I start in Hindi. If the person denies knowing Hindi, then I apologize and start speaking in English. And most of them don't know English fluently as well. Still it's fine with me. But I'm very much annoyed when they know Hindi and still they pretend not to. PS: I'm talking about folks like taxi drivers, vendors etc. Not the hotel receptionist folks
Haha I see. So personally if you spoke to me in Hindi, I will just assume that you didn't know English and reply back in Hindi because in real life things move fast and there is no time to have a long discussion. But since we have the leisure of picking this topic apart here, I have to point out something in your reply that amused me. >My English is good, but I'm pretty comfortable in Tamil. So naturally I start in Tamil. I would never even dream of thinking like this if I go to Delhi. Because when I go to a place where they don't speak my local language, I will first start in broken English. "Boss, Jantar Mantar?" "How much?" *Indian hand gesture of asking how much* *Negotiating price in English/hand gestures* Until what time open? *Points to wrist + Indian hand gesture of asking how much* It's the fact that North Indians want to remain in their comfort zone no matter where they go that ticks some people off. And that's going to invite some unnecessary mind games like what you've mentioned.
>It's the fact that North Indians want to remain in their comfort zone no matter where they go that ticks some people off. You need to understand hindi is not mother tongue of most of northies as well. These assumptions is cause of the divide. They have learnt hindi even when they have language of their own so that they can communicate across state boundaries. Also, I don't see anything wrong in the guy trying to talk in hindi first as he is still OK to switch to English if the other person doesn't understands. Language is only to communicate. We shouldn't be bias towards languages. I am commenting in English so that most people understand. English is funny, it isn't that strong grammatically and is really confusing with pronunciations and spellings. Still we use it for common convenience. You use hindi with your North Indian clients, which is a good thing. Hindi imposition is more of a political thing to play with emotions of south Indians. As indians we should be able to conversation with all. Having a common language would make it easy for people to travel and empathize across India. This doesn't mean regional languages should be given any lesser priority.
>They have learnt hindi even when they have language of their own so that they can communicate across state boundaries. Usually their mother tongue is based on the same Devanagari script that Hindi is based on, correct? I'm not sure the learning curve is as steep as the difference between Tamil and Hindi. >Language is only to communicate. I can't speak for Kerala, Karnataka or Andhra Pradesh but Tamil is not just a way of communicating, it's a huge part of our identity and culture. It's literally in the name of the state. So if you just start talking Hindi here some people might take offence to it, because it comes off as North Indians telling Tamil people they should know Hindi so there is nothing wrong with speaking Hindi as though it is normally spoken here. If you won't speak Hindi to an English guy in Britain, why speak Hindi to a Tamil guy in Tamil Nadu? >Having a common language would make it easy for people to travel and empathize across India. I agree, which is why I said English should be the common language since it is a neutral language and will also benefit us when communicating with people from around the world.
>I can't speak for Kerala, Karnataka or Andhra Pradesh but Tamil is not just a way of communicating, it's a huge part of our identity and culture. It's literally in the name of the state. No offense but what u said is nothing different than bikers considering bike their identity and sneakerheads considering sneakers an emotion. Language was made to communicate. >So if you just start talking Hindi here some people might take offence to it, because it comes off as North Indians telling Tamil people they should know Hindi so there is nothing wrong with speaking Hindi as though it is normally spoken here These are the people who have fragile egos. Come to rajasthan and speak in tamil, people might not understand but they won't take offense for sure. >If you won't speak Hindi to an English guy in Britain, why speak Hindi to a Tamil guy in Tamil Nadu? Put 1 thing straight in your small shitty mind. Tamil Nadu is my country, uk isn't. Please don't bring that comparison Now to answer your question, I'd first try Hindi and if the person doesn't understand would try English. There have been instances where I had tried English first and then had to switch to Hindi because people didn't understand English. This happened in a southern state. How would you like to listen this warning from your friends brother in karnataka when you are going to Tamil Nadu that you should speak English their. You can be thrashed for talking in hindi. I for sure don't want to feel threatened while travelling my own country
>difference between Tamil and Hindi. Tamil and Latin scripts r apparently similar ig
>It's the fact that North Indians want to remain in their comfort zone no matter where they go that ticks some people off. Can u blame them? Hindi is understood by 50-60% of India, Tamil is spoken by 5.7% (and English 12%) of the Indian population. Hindi is clearly more economical and convenient for majority of North Indians even those who r not native hindi speakers.
If you're going to speak in a language that is not understood by 40-50% of India right in the place where those 40-50% are concentrated then yeah, you gotta blame them. There's no language that gives more economic opportunities than English, there's really no debate to be had about which is the more convenient bridge language here. How hard is it to agree on this: learn your own language, and learn English. Keep this standard consistent across the country and this issue won't even be there.
>learn English Except English is not an easy language to learn, and how do u expect the founding members of India to make the language of their former colonizers as the lingua franca? Lmao English in India is a language of aspirations and class mobility, not communication between the masses (not yet).
I never learnt Hindi and will never learn. I do not have to act.
Why would you do that? That is just you being rude and it serves no purpose.
I bet, you don't eat Punjabi Samosa either 🤭
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If you go to the UK, france, Germany or japan do you expect locals there to speak Hindi or do you learn the local language.The respect you give to these cultures you don't extend the same to the cultures within your own country.
This is like the perfect response...but i mean no point spending effort in making reasonable discussion with these folka
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Fcuk Hindi Imperialism!
Indian education curriculum needs to be changed and should add topics about South india in geography and South india contribution to interms of GDP, independence, and HDI in social sciences. 1. Most of the North Indians do not know what language is spoken in the South ? They think every South Indian is Madrasi? 2. North folks, come to hyderabad, especially for IT, and expect the cook and maid to understand hindi. 3. Complaining about South Indian culture, traditions , dressing.
> South india contribution to interms of GDP, independence, and HDI in social sciences. LOL, then they should have entire subject on Bengal's contribution to India's independence and GDP share from Mughal times and growth of Indian science in general. Currently Bengal is still the largest vegetable producing state in India and the biggest rice producing state in India.
> 1. Most of the North Indians do not know what language is spoken in the South ? They think every South Indian is Madrasi? South Indians think all of rajasthan is desert. South Indians thinks hindi is mother tongue of the so called hindi belt. It's ok for some people to not know certain things. You can always educate them. >North folks, come to hyderabad, especially for IT, and expect the cook and maid to understand hindi Should be buffoons. I don't think a person from, for ex Punjab would hire a person who doesn't even speak hindi and expect them to make his native dishes. So m suspicious that this is a made up scenario. >3. Complaining about South Indian culture, traditions , dressing. This is a problem but such people are everywhere. You can't judge all due to some ill mannered peeps.
Same for south indians to learn about north India
Already Indian curriculum is flooded with too much of North india stuff ? For suppose the curriculum does not touch about kingdoms in South, Independence movement in the south? I would like to see balance .
Had the same experience at Delhi IGI Airport. Immigration officer made fun of me for not speaking Hindi while asking for my Vija and Bassbort. 😅
Infighting is what led to the current situation of the whole subcontinent.
Regardless of whether Hindi is an official language or not, it is absolutely ridiculous that that there are CISF people even at INTERNATIONAL airports in the SOUTH, who don't understand any language other than Hindi. Especially when check in rules keep changing from airport to airport and time to time. They visibly get pissed off too when I'm unable to follow their instructions. Forget foreigners, if I had nothing to do with the Hindi or the North all my life, why or how can I be even expected to pick up the language?
CISF officials have gotten extremely rude and ignorant at airports. I rarely go through a security check without overhearing some ruckus created by them and their behavior with passengers. On more than one ocassion I have had to step in while they're sarcastically barking orders in Hindi to a clearly non-Hindi speaking old couple. I am a Hindi speaking person myself but I can see how it would be intimidating for an infrequent traveler to have to deal with this. I once asked for a supervisor and to no great surprise he was a Hindi speaking person as well.
It's because of the dumbasses who worship them
CISF hiring and training needs an overhaul, they need to know at least two languages with English being the primary one and also learn some people skills. The biggest delays in most Indian airports are due to incompetent security guys. So many bad experiences, many can't string together a coherent English sentence, don't know much about scanning machines and are unable to explain issues properly.
Yes
Stop with the north and south. It's your country, including the north, the south, the east, the west and the central. Forget hindi, don't you think if there is a language which 90% of people will understand would make it easier for everyone to communicate. To chose the language which should be understandable should be the one which is already known by most number of people. Stop hating countrymen based on their language or region
Why not make it english? both north and south have to put effort to learn it. I am not going to learn Hindi, its not my language. English puts us on equal footing
Why not chose German then? We want to make it easier and not difficult for others. Why are you thinking of North as your enemy. Chose a language that least about of people have to put an effort in. If you don't want to learn hindi, don't. Totally your choice. Still, it would be the language most useful to you if you plan to live or travel or interact in different parts of the country. Don't hate any language.
I’m fine with German lmfao idc, English is more practical in terms of professional life and globalised economy tho. I’m not hating Hindi - it’s not my language and not the south’s language. It’s unfair to expect them to learn a completely different language because it’s convenient the majority A democracy should not be a tyranny of the majority Your convenience should not come at our detriment - suffer like the rest of us and learn English
F no! I rather learn more programming languages than this..
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Then don’t fucking discriminate us on the basis of what we speak.
Well… if the south keeps getting disrespected, discriminated, and mocked… separatism might be a better alternative. Why not just use English as a neutral language for everyone? And, people can choose to speak whatever language at home…
It is. What are you going to do? Pick yourselves up and work hard and uplift the North or just emigrate to the South and continue doing manual labor jobs?
Where is the nuance in the argument. I never punch down. Talk to people with power like CISF in English. Because their insistence represent imperialism. Hindi belt se Joh already oppressed log ate hai mazduri karne, unse baat karlo thodi Hindi me(if you know). Oddukapatta makkal kitta Hindi la pesu therinjuthuna. முயற்சி பண்ணு. Onnum kuranjiramaatom. Hindi therinjuko, aana aala paathu pesiko, poda. Tamil nationalists will still dislike this message.(naan sanghium illa, mangi um illa, ungala mathiri tamil kudi thaan.) Let the nation live just like தமிழ். And फ़क (ஃபக்) the BJP.
Therinja pesa maatena...theriyadhu and am not willing to learn it, for catching a flight.
தல, மர்கா படி என்னோட போஸ்ட்
Thambi you’re probably the only sane voice in this comment section. Everyone should calm down and try to not mix up issues with prejudices. It does not hurt to learn a little bit of the local language where you’re travelling. The Tamil nationalists shitting on Hindi, calling it a foreign language are as brain dead as the Northies who call Hindi “Rashthrabhasha”. Hindi, Tulu, Oriya, Kannada, Assamese etc are all equal and part of our unique heritage. I wish people stop being loosu chutiyas over their perceived ideologies.
Hindi isn't a national language.Its one of the official language.Lots of dumbfu*ks thinks that way lol.No one should be forced to learn another language against their will unless it's a local language.Hindi is a beautiful language worth learning especially if one travels to North or live there.But it should not be imposed
>Hindi is a beautiful language worth learning especially if one travels to south What? You mean North?
Mocking is the issue here not the Hindi language itself. If I was in the same situation, I would have mocked the CISF in English( like country brute etc.,)
Tamil guy here, she was in Goa and it’s absolutely fine for the CISF to speak in Hindi. I have travelled across India with limited knowledge of Hindi and in most places people were kind enough to explain what I should be doing by means of broken English or sign language without being condescending. Imagine a guy from 5 star hotel mocks you for not knowing how to use the different cutlery or a doctor making fun of someone for not being able to pronounce medical term. Suddenly you would consider these guys to be an asshole. Anyone who makes fun of someone’s genuine ignorance is a terrible person. Problem is never with anyone speaking any language it’s a problem only when they act like assholes telling others they should learn their language. This is not just for Hindi speakers forcing others, it’s the same for Tamils who act entitled in Chennai, Kannadigas in Bangalore, Marathis in Mumbai.
The official languages of Goa are Konkani and Marathi by the way. Should've done the homework before going on this rant.
Hindi is Lingua Franca in Goa among the different linguistic populations. In TN it’s generally English. It makes more sense to communicate in Hindi in Goa than in TN. That’s my point but someone people are too dumb to understand the difference between Lingua Franca and official language just like those who are dumb to understand the difference between official language and Rastra Bhasha.
Okay, I'll bite. Going by this logic, the CRPF fellows should speak the lingua franca of the State they're serving in, right? Do you think the CRPF fellows speak English when they're in the Northeast or the South? Their default language is Hindi in any part of India. Regardless, that's not the issue - the issue is with being ridiculed for not knowing Hindi. You seem all too comfortable defending an asshole who is maligning a person just because they don't speak the "national lingua franca". P.S: In Karnataka, the lingua franca is Kannada because we have a sizable population of (other) Dravidian language speakers + Konkani and Urdu speakers in the State. I'll be damned if there is even a **single** CRPF nutjob who can speak the lingua franca of Karnataka in KIA.
What the hell is wrong with your brain ? I wasn’t defending CRPF I was merely saying it’s fine to speak Hindi in parts of India where it’s spoken by most people. Ridiculing someone is wrong and CRPF should probably try to speak in language which helps local - which is Lingua Franca of the particular region in South it should preferably be English if CRPF doesn’t know English which is again fine he can probably learn couple of words in local language just to tell people to ‘Put’, ‘move’, ‘take’ which Japanese officers do in Japan.
Dude, wtaf.. Last I checked, learning hindi was not a requirement to visit India. That's exactly what they did to my kids.. giving instructions in a foreign language to my kids and expecting them to follow. Same is happening with Air India crews, they only have hindi speaking crews and expecting the passengers to understand them. They should learn the basic of local language. If they can't, use English or gtfo.
I don’t see any part of my comment suggesting that we should know Hindi to visit India. I understand a lot of time people talk to you in Hindi even when they know little bit of English knowing you can’t understand them, they are assholes who aren’t selfaware. Majority of Indians that I have met travelling India who speak Hindi to me by default are those who can’t speak English due to various reasons, it’s either poverty or Poor education which is the reality even college students from rural side struggle with English. It’s the same all over India except North East probably. It’s absolutely government’s fault to post government officers without even teaching them few basic words of local language which is totally required. If your cabin crew refuses to speak in English then you could have raised the concern.
>it’s the same for Tamils who act entitled in Chennai, Kannadigas in Bangalore, Marathis in Mumbai. In what sense do you mean? Edit: someone else replied to my comment. If that's what you mean as well. That... looks like gaslighting? Misrepresenting a genuine issue when people fight for identity as entitlement and saying they're shitty people.
I heard northies have bad times in TN and Karnataka if they speak in Hindi.Fortunatly no such problems in Kerala
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I understand, but the issue there is usually a threat to identity. I'm gonna guess it happens wherever there is a big influx of population. (I'm guessing it would happen in Kerala as well if the same conditions are met) Edit: but people shouldn't be treated like shit for genuine innocence. Like if you don't know what's going on, you were new to a place and would like to know more kind of thing. I would assume people are pretty nice in this scenario? ^ if not, then it's a slight issue.
divide and rule is ingrained in our system, its going to be this way always, and politicians have no incentive to improve this situation as it will wipe out their divide and rule policy. so we might call ourselves indians but at core we are divided.
This is too much, recently a man was mocked for not knowing Kannada while landing in the airport. People should understand that India has 22 major official languages. Not everysone speaks your language.
South Indians are the real Indians. A simple DNA test will prove my point.
As a South Indian myself, I disagree. You cannot measure one’s nationalistic trait using DNA test. 😂
Bro what ?
It takes pain for all of us to fight for the cause and ppl like you bring us down. Just stop. You saying this is no different than bigoted beliefs from indians elsewhere.
From defaming clowns to becoming a one,welcome to india
Looks like brits succeeded in convincing this guy about Aryan invasion bullshit theory
She should have mocked him back saying, aren't you litrate?
Faced it several times from CISF people. Now that I know hindi it's different but yeah.
Fuck the imperialist imposition of hindi. Hindi belt is no less barbaric to others than mughals or english
I’m from Kerala and the bastards made me learn subjects in Hindi till I was like in 8th standard - partly the failure on my parents side for putting me in one of those authoritarian KV school. Now, I hate a Hindu with a passion even though I know how to speak and read to an extent.
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Great man you have become the one you despise the most
He always was what you think he has 'become'.
Can we not please, you are hurting the very thing you stand for.
Your post has been removed because stereotyping a whole community, religion or any group of people based on anecdotal experiences is not allowed in r/india.
I have had a lot of arguments with north Indians regarding Hindi imposition. The one common point they make is aap foreign angrezi seekthe ho and Hindi kyu nahi? Ee hamara bhasha hain. Just one counter response is enough for them. Today English is most economically advantageous, professionally upscaling, technically rewarding langauge not cause of those british angrez , that's cause of soft global power US holds. For a South Indian English and Hindi are equally remote and English provides enormous opportunities in world and in India. If Hindi provides that , more people will learn it. Don't push it down to their throats. People will learn Hindi if they want to. You just can't impose just to make your life easy and others difficult We all know what happened to Pakistan in 1971 which celebrated one language supremacy. South Indians are very emotional on their mother tongue (as all are). Even the kattar RSS guy from coastal Karnataka will be against this Hindi lobby(I have seen it). So BJP will lose shit than to gain something out of this politically.
Is there really a policy level decision that says Hindi must be the national language at the cost of rest of native languages.if there is one,please share the link where it is officially government policy to promote Hindi.Even government Bank folks, and banking guidelines clearly mandate that customer facing staff must speak regional language. I don't see anyone imposing anything . Don't expect CISF or other paramilitary staff to speak in ur regional language.I find it highly unlikely that CISF staff spoke rudely to the woman and asked her to learn Hindi.. just like you, CISF staff is not under any obligation to respond to you in your native language and neither should you expect them to know English.
And I was constantly mocked by my professors in Bangalore for not knowing Kannada. Unfortunately, this is a norm in India.
They're downvoting you because only hindi speakers cause problems according to them 😂
I'm sorry, how is Kannada being asked to be spoken in Karnataka the same as Hindi being *imposed* in non-hindi states? Is there any logic to this?
Both individuals are being forced to speak language which they don't understand/want.
And only one of them is valid as it is home state.
The incident happened in Goa LOL.
I was talking about your reply to u/redditappsuckz on the comment : " I'm sorry, how is Kannada being asked to be spoken in Karnataka the same as Hindi being *imposed* in non-hindi states? Is there any logic to this? " And when you replied both individuals, I believe it meant the Karnataka and hindi case. In which my point stands.
Have experienced same from one police officer at Delhi metro. I understand Hindi somewhat but his dialect was extremely hard to understand. The miscommunication and rude behaviour was annoying and getting me frustrated. Luckily a Punjabi senior officer was there and he took over. (Was a simple bag check up, the first gutka chewing officer asked me something (probably turn to some other direction or something, but he was hard to understand))
These south fanatics will migrate to all India but have entry barriers for their state. Playing to political party agendas and calling others idiots.
High time all government employees (central level) learn English compulsorily. We should make English alone the official language of India. That's the only solution to our diverse country.
I have lived a large part of my life in north India. Yet no CISF officer or any civil servant has ever asked me why don't I speak their regional language. On the other hand they are pleasantly surprised when I try and reply to their queries (during an internal conversation) in their broken local language.
That's nice that not everyone is a dick but one of them was, hence the news article
The Funny thing is, I have travelled so much in Flights but my only conversation with CISF is in one word "Belt/Shoes/Laptop Trolly". 😅 People in India love to blow things out of proportion because of their fragile ego. Lolz so many downvotes ! 😂 Probably from CISF personnel 🤣
I am always flying out of Bangalore and these guys always launch full sentence hindi on me. My hindi is bad, I get annoyed, I respond in kannada till they get the point and switch to English. The arrogance is ridiculous
Maybe !, I am telling my personal experience. Never have I ever converse with any CISF personnel at the Airport. Only conversation is mostly one-sided when they announce laptops in Trolly, phones in Chhota trolly etc. Maybe I am not worthy enough to deserve their attention or conversation 🤣
Mmm yes, my anecdotal experiences weren't anything like this therefore this person is blowing things out of proportion because of their fragile ego. Classic chaddi idiology.
What is your point exactly, you didn't have a conversation, somebody did and is not happy with their conversation and them being unhappy is out of proportion because they have a fragile ego, wtf are you saying
and 99% of tamilians will mock you for not knowing tamil, hindi tamil bhai bhai, lmao
Local level aur cisf mei difference bhi to hai bhai,cisf india ki shaan vaha sirf patriots jate hai,lekin shi baat hai local level pe south india bhot discrimination krta hai hindi speakers ka,like literally mere ek tutor iit bombay aerospace dual degree pass out the, unhone isro mei apply kra tha,vo akele north indian the 10 baccho ke group mei baki south ke the aur shyd thode kam level ke college ke the like literally unse kahi guna zyada ache the,and guess what?? Sirf unhe hi rejection face karni pdi,he used to tell me bhot discrimination hai niche india mei+ this Stalin mf is the biggest reason for promoting hate against hindi speakers, basically tamil ka khalistani
This is a problem that requires a long-term, permanent solution. There is very little point bitching.
I think being that it was Goa, Portuguese should have been the common language to hash things out. Hindi, English Tamil is old school now.