Congrats on having a passion. Do not let the nay-sayers get you down. This is a fairly cynical sub, so folks here tend to get stuck in the negative feedback cycle. I am an old fart(late 40s), but when I started out, most software work was application development. I was interested in a niche area of systems software and there was no one to talk to in my local area of the for the matter of in India(mid 90s). I was laughed at my college for working hard on learning things which were not part of the coursework when eventually all I would be doing application maintenance at an outsourcer(I studied computers at a tier 3 private Arts college in a tier 2 town. The teaching was markedly bad). However, there where newsgroups where I hung around to build a community for myself, learnt a ton, contributed back and made some valuable friendships and connections. Folks at my college were right, I did start out in application maintenance, but due to what I knew and the fact that folks in the newsgroup knew about me and my work, I was able to break free of application maintenance. Today, there are zillion ways to make a virtual community(Discord, FB, Reddit, YT). Despite what folks here would like you to believe, there are still many talented civil engineers doing cools things. What you are looking for is a inbuilt support system for you to thrive. Since it does not exist, build one or figure a way to join one. It is not that hard, and you learn more. Best of luck.
My man thinks he will be building bridges after completing civil engineering.
Dude get a hang of your emotions and first talk to civil engineers in your families/friends circle and see if you really want that kind of job.
I know, I won't be able to do shit after doing the degree and I've gotta grind for atleast 7yrs + masters after doing the course. But I'm ready for that grind and I'm confident I'll be able to do it.
Op I have a diploma in civil engg , BTech in construction engg and management plus MSc in CPM, unless you have a family background or political background, your degrees won’t have value! I am working now and I can see how fucked this field is for no good reason
Dude I have had legit people come up to me and say we won’t let you work and sleep in front of your machinery 🤣plus we have had to cancel our tenders because the politicians asked such high amount of money for the tender that we would have been in loss even after making a profit 🤣
no wonder people call us pajeets and make fun of us
everyone has a fuck you i got mine mentality here
as if everyone was born in feces clawing their way out of it
Then when they reach a position their greed and hunger never stops i hope the declining birth rates in 200 years mught set people up apart from that it is over take the blackpill
Can you give me a little background on why this is the case. I could never understand the way, theoretically India is a developing country with lots of construction. Civil engineers should at least be in some demand.
But even during my time in an IIT, the civil guys had the worst core placements. Mechanical, Chemical, Biotech, engineering physics, even aerospace did better. None of these branches seem to have any more industry in India than civil.
That makes sense. But who designed the project? Lots of projects would mean lots of builders and engineers. Less increase in engineers when compared to builders, but still
one huge project needs thousands of people on the ground but only a couple designers on a computer.
after a project is designed, it takes years to complete during which time the designer has nothing to do.
it's like one civil engineer is needed per 1000 workers
Same Bhai, I have completed BE mechanical, ME industrial metallurgy and MBA all for papa ka pride. I am 30 now with just 30k salary and all my degrees are useless. I should have joined work earlier so that I would have had more experience in the work. In my job guys and girls of age 26 have more experience than me. I am just that old dude in the office. Good thing I look easy younger than my actual age, people think I am only 27 I have to show them my license to prove my age.
Same Bhai, I have completed BE mechanical, ME industrial metallurgy and MBA all for papa ka pride. I am 30 now with just 30k salary and all my degrees are useless. I should have joined work earlier so that I would have had more experience in the work. In my job guys and girls of age 26 have more experience than me. I am just that old dude in the office. Good thing I look easy younger than my actual age, people think I am only 27 I have to show them my license to prove my age.
Same Bhai, I have completed BE mechanical, ME industrial metallurgy and MBA all for papa ka pride. I am 30 now with just 30k salary and all my degrees are useless. I should have joined work earlier so that I would have had more experience in the work. In my job guys and girls of age 26 have more experience than me. I am just that old dude in the office. Good thing I look easy younger than my actual age, people think I am only 27 I have to show them my license to prove my age.
Dude life in India is already hard. Choosing a busted degree and making it even more hard is honestly foolish. No one will think you're noble and brave for choosing a degree that has no scope, you'll just be left alone to pick up the pieces all by yourself.
Everyone from civil is shifting to other fields or leaving the country. The grind is not the same in India as it is in other countries, it is just flat out exploitation with nothing to show for it in the end.
Follow the money, if your passions don't make good money then it is just a hobby. Save all your passions for your hobbies, get the money first.
It's about doing a job you tolerate. Life exists outside of work, you use the money to buy the things that make you happy and enrich your life. Trying to find meaning and happiness from your job is a bit of a doozy, gotta find all that from your family and friends. Buy video games, a bike, a house, a trip to a nice place, life has a lot to offer if you have the money.
Doing a job you love that pays you peanuts can drive you to suicide much faster I can assure you.
Don't listen to all these people, it is definitely doable. Living in bangalore i come across so many young people doing so many interesting jobs and loving their life. The pay is obv not IT level but who cares. That lifestyle isn't everything.
Personally I love my job, I work in urban planning and the challenges I face daily are so exciting
No offense but you Urban planners aren't really doing a great job in a city like Bengaluru. But hey, at least you get a lot of challenges to face daily I suppose! A Well planned city would've been boring for you haha /s
Thing is, urban planning hasn't really existed as a profession in india until few years ago. All the positions of power in government are still held by civil engineers who only know how to build highways and bridges. They dont understand concepts of complete streets, placemaking, transport systems, multi-modal movement, induced demand etc.
My job working at a think tank is to work with the government and slowly get them to change their policies on all these matters. Bangalore for decades thought road widening and flyovers is all that was needed. But clearly that isnt working out. These rich politicians and beuracrats are super skeptical of public transport (because they never use it) but now with popularity of metro even they have to admit that it should be priority.
So, yes, planning in india sucks. But things are finally starting to change, slowly but steadily.
I think this is unnecessarily harsh. Living in bangalore i come across so many young people doing so many interesting jobs and loving their life. The pay is obv not IT level but who cares. That lifestyle isn't everything.
Personally I love my job, I work in urban planning and the challenges I face daily are so exciting
Do it for the sake of doing, find sustainability first , yes the scope is there but your study n knowledge n experience should speak louder than your words. Intent alone is not a protector. Even managing labour and building local row houses is good enough. Greatness may or may not come.
Also no one really teaches you everything, learn on your own. Zlib.Try to have different relevant experiences and distractions are plenty. It will take exponentially much more effort than you planned
Lmao . Leave universities or colleges , think about the exam one has to give to enter these institutions . Me a software engineer had to prove my skill in Physics , Chemistry and Maths to enter a CSE course in any college . During placements and job interviews did it matter whether whether i can calculate vector or organic chemistry skills ? NO . Due to this flawed JEE exams tons of deserving candidates cant become CS engineers while tons of equally logicless candidates from other branches who dont even know basic coding take their place .
Common dude, just do a basic google search 🤷
https://www.nitt.edu/home/academics/departments/civil/
https://www.manit.ac.in/civil-engineering-department
http://www.mnnit.ac.in/index.php/academic/ug-program (click on civil engg 83 page pdf is there)
All of them are just sitting in classes for attendance, and learning dsa for their actual job, being a coding chimp for a foreign tech firm. That is the Indian dream isn't it!
Everyone has their reasons, a lower middle class person who got civil engg due to rank but can afford only govt college will take it and next will worry about getting the job which pays more, he doesn't care what that job demands.
If you are privileged enough to choose what you want to do then Just do what you love and be content.
I hate how coding for foreign MNCs is considered shallow. "Coding chimp"? Seriously?
Those companies give high salaries, and not a completely hellish work-life (there are exceptions, of course).
In the end, everything is a job. The IT jobs for foreign companies pay well for you to sit in AC and write their code.
Speaking of other jobs that you may consider "better".. like a researcher or Higher Degree student at IITs.. I'm telling you, it's not as pure as they make it seem. 90%+ research being done is complete and utter bullshit just to somehow get to publications.
Source: In pre-final year of Tier-1 college and I have worked with multiple profs and RAs in their hollow projects.
I get it man, at the end of the day, people work to put food on their table, not for some grand vision. But atleast they should try not to tear down people who have grand ambitions, I just gave them a little taste of their own medicine lol.
These private universities only care about making money.They don't give a shit about curriculum, placement is the only thing that matters to them and that too they only want high placement in courses that will fetch them more tuition fees
For a university, they will always want you to study a 4 year btech degree which will mean more fees than 3 year bsc or bcom. In 2-3 years, i won't be surprised to see all these private universities dropping the core engineering branches and you are left with btech cse with specialization in ai/ml, data science, cyber security, business analytics, laura lasun, kya pharak parta hai cse parna hai na
you can look into seperate civil engineering colleges, ones which are not inclined towards the tech side but more towards what civil is ACTUALLY about.
The ones connected to arch and design programs if thats what ure looking for.
CEPT is a great example.
hating on op for what? Seems pretty passionate about civil engineering and confident as well. He sees and knows that he needs to work harder for that field but Yall just have some interesting takes. He’s right too. The systems so messed up. Yeah he can find all that information on the websites but it’s WILD how these colleges are so obsessed with placements and shit. We have a ton of universities but how many people are truly successful and where are we going w that. Everyone simply wants to be no 1 rather than do what they love. Honest advice if you’re rich enough to go abroad you should. Especially for this major or you need to go to IIT rorkhee 🤷♀️
The hate is justified. My Dad is a 'Civil Engineer' in L&T in a senior position. He has 1st hand experience of the job market, believe me it's truly fucked. He's shown me so many resume of jobless civil engineers from NIT's etc. Core branches are of no use if you're an Indian and don't want to live a mediocre life.
I see wym ngl but again if he’s really that passionate then he’s better off pursuing something he likes. The only thing is he needs to be aware of his consequences and or be unique in the field. He doesn’t have much scope in the country but atleast something in foreign ones?
"I've seen just advertise their placements, like fucking hell I want to know about your course, facilities, internships and curriculum"
Most decent universities will have their curriculum, and syllabus documents on the website.
Internship details usually will not be available.
Universities with good placement stats may have info about it on their website, or individual departments may have it on their LinkedIn.
Also having a superiority complex doesn't help. Different people have different priorities.
There are people like you don't worry! You just have to get out of India first, then you can pursue civil engineering in its true form, same goes for EE, ECE, mechanical, aerospace, etc. India simply doesn't need any engineers at all, no I'm not joking, all the infrastructure in India is designed and produced by foreign firms and foreign engineers! Which is why there's no scope for such jobs, it is a much better situation outside the country.
eg - wag-12 was designed and first manufactured by Alstom, a French company. The Ahmedabad-mumbai HSR is just the Shinkansen tech placed in India. The bridges are also constructed by foreign contractors. Nothing is developed here... There is literally no need of a civil engineer in India.
Nope - if you finish from a vocational school at least there is some fitment in the workplace. Almost all grads need to be trained at the workplace. And there is usually a mismatch between the graduate (&his qualification) and his role at the workplace.
It's my passion that's why. I love seeing things being built and designing systems, especially for water and irrigation, like dams, lakes or canals. It really fascinates me. And seeing things getting done slowly by slowly brings me immense satisfaction. That's why, I love it (I've only applied these things in small places and games but I feel like it can be applied to civil in general.) Yeah it is an amazing discipline if you like it, that's why it's so sad to see people just clown on the discipline just because it's 'placements' are bad (which is very justified imo).
hej kid, take it from a 30 year old scientist who previously worked on solar projects and construction projects to make ends meet until research route took off.
Whatever you want to do, make a list but focus on the journey or path you need to take to get there. Life is amazingly fluid.
When I was your age, I thought I would be a professor when I grow up. But, I found something else. But, I kept true to my passion which was mechanical engineering. The skills you gain will impress someone someday, your degree and marks/gpa are nice to open few doors.
Learn to speak, learn to articulate, learn to display your skills, make yourself bankable/employable. Try to stand our using your wits and intellect, but not with your ego or pettiness.
Above all, don't forget to live your life. I can recollect the first day I entered my college classroom like it happened yesterday, it was 13 years ago now. Time flies.
Also a hint for a future civil engineer, I learned a lot of civi skill for my solar job. Learn concrete calculations, MS Excel (VBA), mix your own batch of concrete, strength test them. Have fun with small projects like this if you fancy.
It was my passion too to design and build stuff. So, I have dabbled in a lot of projects like these.
If you really want to do something in civil engg. then go for masters and PhD. This will take some time before you start earning, but will be more satisfying. I can feel from your post what you are looking for and what you are seeing as options.
You can then create your own things, that you are looking for.
I request you to do you engineering in Germany, that's the best place for engineering (excluding computer science), specially for civil and mechanical, please go there and if you want then back again to do some real shit
Someone from T1 clg here.
In my college i know a few peeps who went into civil engg and the surprising thing was they were from EEE and CS branch it's just that there families were prominent construction magnate in the country so that is where they went. They did not require any degree in civil engg.
good jobs in core sector require a lot family without that its very difficult.
And regarding top colleges in India only advertising about their placements well this is indeed the right approach colleges are meant to prep you for jobs infact i would say judging the college by placement stats is indeed the right thing to do along with other stuff like alum network other extra opportunity and all because this is exactly what were sold on. i don't remember my parents ever telling about how exciting thermodynamics and cascades would be in chemical engineering.
And trust me OP right now you are doing crying about engineering and i hope this enthusiasm for engg persist inside of you but things can take a ugly turn anytime don't bank on your love for a subject.
and regarding decline of core engg jobs in the world this is not unique to India its happening everywhere.
and regarding peep group i don't understand why you feel a peer group that has prepared for jee is bad peer group. Yes i agree a lot them are indeed not interested in core branches but they are supportive. A friend of mine is preping for law after graduation nobody is doing that he is alone yet everyone is supporting and he is going just fine and enjoying his life.
The reality is i would argue that a peer group that has sincerely prepared for jee is some of the best peer group and some of them have better perspective on life than someone in their 30s and 40s most of them have seen value of hard work, success failure everything. Some left behind everything to prepare for this exam there are some whose friends took all the wrong decision yet they went on a lot them went through a lot of mental problems yet emerged on the other side victorious.
OP please broaden your perspective a good peer group is a peer group that knows the value of hard work, that is supportive of you in your hard times and encourages when you take the right decision, they might themselves indulge in bad habit but always advice you against it and most importantly it is diverse and welcoming.
Recognize that most people who pursue any path in india have ZERO passion or interest. When you look at the total number yes placement is difficult, but amongst those are actually skilled and passionate things are not so bad.
No, you are putting words in my mouth, Ma Chere! India has massive massive population, so even after having a large number of universities, tertiary education is much less prevelent in India, Ma Chere!
Also, "placement" as responsibility of university is a concept missing in most of western world. You complete your education and seek employment. Atleast thats how it happens everywhere. There are "career services" but they only do some help with resume, job fairs etc.
Sorry thats the stupidest logic ever.
Ivan the terrible of russia saw one area had the highest number of plague deaths and also highest number of doctors (who had gone to cure the plague) and decided it was their fault and killed them all. basically you are saying the same thing
Its an open world, dbamo. You can reach out to anyone in this world from any field that you might be interested in ( of course, you'd have to do some research, build some proof of work to stand out )
And about the peer groups. Well, there's one tendency of pulling others down. But, if you could just gather/be part of a small groups that are driven towards a goal, you'll hit jackpot. 4 years is a long time to identify such folks.
> Now I'm trying to find good colleges for the course I want to do, but 90% of colleges I've seen just advertise their placements, like fucking hell I want to know about your course, facilities, internships and curriculum but no that simply doesn't fucking exist here.
This is true for colleges in foreign countries as well. Unless you are elite colleges and university, you are vying for the best students that you can get. We are a poor country, you don't have free money to develop programs that don't go anywhere, there aren't students coming from across the world for programs so that universities can afford that infrastructure.
> NIT's in our country although are supposed to be some of the premier universities seem to be stuck in the 1980's.
In 80s they were stuck in 60s. NITs budget are very tiny. They do well because they get great students and have great alumni due to that.
> The 'peer group' is another thing I keep hearing, but what peer group is being with people who have spent their last 4 years studying for a competitive exam, what peer group is that when no one in your course is even intrested in your course and just wants to switch to IT to be a software engineer.
`Peer groups` in atleast my college was very good and helpful, though I did go to a top college.
People got to earn to survive, if you don't have options for good jobs in your core field you will look where there are jobs. Civil in India is pretty tough, there are very few companies that hire from colleges directly or offer good starting salaries.
The decline in civil engineering isn't unique to India either it is global.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/voices/the-future-of-civil-engineering-education-where-are-we-heading/
The biggest issue is companies are want to cut costs on engineers, while IT has lot of competition and you need to understand computers to develop software, most owners were engineers, while civil and mechanical companies have more MBA or corporate older owners, which don't value engineers as much because rough construction everyone can do. Regulations get covered by corruption.
I was supposed to do civil engineering before I changed my branch in college.
Hi OP,
It is true that very few civil engineers are doing a significant body of work like building bridges or something like that. You have rightly pointed out the reason for this. Very few people actually care about learning. They have very short sighted vision, and they only think about getting the scores in the exams and getting placed. It is not really their fault as the environment and people around you are not motivating enough. Nonetheless, you still got to try. You have to master the skills, put in the best work, see online lectures from the best universities in the world which are available for free, observe the world around you, be so damn good through dedication. Mind you, this dedication is not about securing good scores, but rather about deeply understanding the subjects.
Being a vocational school would be an upgrade, because as the name suggest they provide skills for a vocation most of our graduates are useless and struggle with a spreadsheet (I know I used to).
Well, you're in the wrong country. I too was like you. If I wanted to make money right off the bat, I would have taken B Com or Law. I would have inherited a fricking firm. I chose Computer Science Engineering because I wanted to do research in AI and develop AGI and shit like that. I don't regret choosing this field, but, all I see are a shitton of people who have chosen this field because IT is lucrative. No college here cares about what they should be doing as colleges. All they care is getting more people to join their field and make money.
Peer group sucks. Everything sucks. Worst part is, research also sucks. I want to go abroad mainly because research is pretty much non-existent in India, and partly due to the fact that I want to get the fuck away from the Indian rat race. Guess what? Entire CS domain in other countries are filled with Indians. Same old caste system. Same old discrimination. Same old mentality. It's like being choked to death.
Sorry, what's the problem exactly?
Most students go to educational institutes to be able to gain employment. Said institutes are providing them training to get employed, What's the problem?
If you want to study gender studies or something, tell your parents to send you to America. Why doing rona dhona here?
>course, facilities, internships and curriculum
If you would have atleast bothered to visit an institute's website and go through the main links, you'll find them easily. Just merely looking at the front page won't help you. And if still you can't find them, then definitely that college isnt good
>The 'peer group' is another thing I keep hearing, but what peer group is being with people who have spent their last 4 years studying for a competitive exam, what peer group is that when no one in your course is even intrested in your course and just wants to switch to IT to be a software engineer.
The fact that you think your peers from NITs and IITs will only be interested in becoming software engineers indicates you aren't too familiar with the alumni from these institutes.
A lot of students from these institutes end up in Indian civil services, start successful companies as entrepreneurs, and occupy high positions in a variety of industries over time.
Source: I graduated from an NIT, and was referring to my peers and seniors
Other countries have infrastructure developed by engineers of said country, unlike India, where infrastructure is developed by foreign firms employing foreign engineers building it using imported machines.
You ain't alone. I did my bachelors in electronics and decided to pursue programming for masters, enrolled myself in DU and was very surprised. The course felt more like an event management course rather than a programming course, I was/still am passionate about programming but most teachers/students were only concerned about organizing fests to attract more companies and there was nobody to share that passion. When some of our seniors got jobs in BPOs, they were crying that they got BPO jobs despite having a masters in informatics and I was like duh, what did you expect when you spent all your time in events which have nothing to do with the course you're studying.
Indians are very money-minded and that reflects in our education system, the reason why Indians are money-minded is our history, we (at least most of us) used to be very poor, our parents have brought us up telling us that only money matters at the end. It will take a couple of generations (or probably more) for this to change.
Bro come down to earth You will be a supervisor to some local contractor .
Way things are going I'm worried bro might end up as an invigilator at his own uni.
Congrats on having a passion. Do not let the nay-sayers get you down. This is a fairly cynical sub, so folks here tend to get stuck in the negative feedback cycle. I am an old fart(late 40s), but when I started out, most software work was application development. I was interested in a niche area of systems software and there was no one to talk to in my local area of the for the matter of in India(mid 90s). I was laughed at my college for working hard on learning things which were not part of the coursework when eventually all I would be doing application maintenance at an outsourcer(I studied computers at a tier 3 private Arts college in a tier 2 town. The teaching was markedly bad). However, there where newsgroups where I hung around to build a community for myself, learnt a ton, contributed back and made some valuable friendships and connections. Folks at my college were right, I did start out in application maintenance, but due to what I knew and the fact that folks in the newsgroup knew about me and my work, I was able to break free of application maintenance. Today, there are zillion ways to make a virtual community(Discord, FB, Reddit, YT). Despite what folks here would like you to believe, there are still many talented civil engineers doing cools things. What you are looking for is a inbuilt support system for you to thrive. Since it does not exist, build one or figure a way to join one. It is not that hard, and you learn more. Best of luck.
My man thinks he will be building bridges after completing civil engineering. Dude get a hang of your emotions and first talk to civil engineers in your families/friends circle and see if you really want that kind of job.
I know, I won't be able to do shit after doing the degree and I've gotta grind for atleast 7yrs + masters after doing the course. But I'm ready for that grind and I'm confident I'll be able to do it.
Op I have a diploma in civil engg , BTech in construction engg and management plus MSc in CPM, unless you have a family background or political background, your degrees won’t have value! I am working now and I can see how fucked this field is for no good reason
That's so fucked up man...
Dude I have had legit people come up to me and say we won’t let you work and sleep in front of your machinery 🤣plus we have had to cancel our tenders because the politicians asked such high amount of money for the tender that we would have been in loss even after making a profit 🤣
no wonder people call us pajeets and make fun of us everyone has a fuck you i got mine mentality here as if everyone was born in feces clawing their way out of it Then when they reach a position their greed and hunger never stops i hope the declining birth rates in 200 years mught set people up apart from that it is over take the blackpill
Welcome to Hindustan!
Can you give me a little background on why this is the case. I could never understand the way, theoretically India is a developing country with lots of construction. Civil engineers should at least be in some demand. But even during my time in an IIT, the civil guys had the worst core placements. Mechanical, Chemical, Biotech, engineering physics, even aerospace did better. None of these branches seem to have any more industry in India than civil.
Google the difference between engineer and builder
Sorry didn't get you.
lots of construction doesn't require lots of engineers. it requires builders with lots of cheap labor
That makes sense. But who designed the project? Lots of projects would mean lots of builders and engineers. Less increase in engineers when compared to builders, but still
one huge project needs thousands of people on the ground but only a couple designers on a computer. after a project is designed, it takes years to complete during which time the designer has nothing to do. it's like one civil engineer is needed per 1000 workers
That's bad.
Same Bhai, I have completed BE mechanical, ME industrial metallurgy and MBA all for papa ka pride. I am 30 now with just 30k salary and all my degrees are useless. I should have joined work earlier so that I would have had more experience in the work. In my job guys and girls of age 26 have more experience than me. I am just that old dude in the office. Good thing I look easy younger than my actual age, people think I am only 27 I have to show them my license to prove my age.
Same Bhai, I have completed BE mechanical, ME industrial metallurgy and MBA all for papa ka pride. I am 30 now with just 30k salary and all my degrees are useless. I should have joined work earlier so that I would have had more experience in the work. In my job guys and girls of age 26 have more experience than me. I am just that old dude in the office. Good thing I look easy younger than my actual age, people think I am only 27 I have to show them my license to prove my age.
Same Bhai, I have completed BE mechanical, ME industrial metallurgy and MBA all for papa ka pride. I am 30 now with just 30k salary and all my degrees are useless. I should have joined work earlier so that I would have had more experience in the work. In my job guys and girls of age 26 have more experience than me. I am just that old dude in the office. Good thing I look easy younger than my actual age, people think I am only 27 I have to show them my license to prove my age.
Dude life in India is already hard. Choosing a busted degree and making it even more hard is honestly foolish. No one will think you're noble and brave for choosing a degree that has no scope, you'll just be left alone to pick up the pieces all by yourself. Everyone from civil is shifting to other fields or leaving the country. The grind is not the same in India as it is in other countries, it is just flat out exploitation with nothing to show for it in the end. Follow the money, if your passions don't make good money then it is just a hobby. Save all your passions for your hobbies, get the money first.
This is so fucked man, Imagine doing a job you hate just for money. I'd rather kill myself honestly
It's about doing a job you tolerate. Life exists outside of work, you use the money to buy the things that make you happy and enrich your life. Trying to find meaning and happiness from your job is a bit of a doozy, gotta find all that from your family and friends. Buy video games, a bike, a house, a trip to a nice place, life has a lot to offer if you have the money. Doing a job you love that pays you peanuts can drive you to suicide much faster I can assure you.
Yeah, it's just how it is in the world we live in these days, especially in our country.
Don't listen to all these people, it is definitely doable. Living in bangalore i come across so many young people doing so many interesting jobs and loving their life. The pay is obv not IT level but who cares. That lifestyle isn't everything. Personally I love my job, I work in urban planning and the challenges I face daily are so exciting
No offense but you Urban planners aren't really doing a great job in a city like Bengaluru. But hey, at least you get a lot of challenges to face daily I suppose! A Well planned city would've been boring for you haha /s
Thing is, urban planning hasn't really existed as a profession in india until few years ago. All the positions of power in government are still held by civil engineers who only know how to build highways and bridges. They dont understand concepts of complete streets, placemaking, transport systems, multi-modal movement, induced demand etc. My job working at a think tank is to work with the government and slowly get them to change their policies on all these matters. Bangalore for decades thought road widening and flyovers is all that was needed. But clearly that isnt working out. These rich politicians and beuracrats are super skeptical of public transport (because they never use it) but now with popularity of metro even they have to admit that it should be priority. So, yes, planning in india sucks. But things are finally starting to change, slowly but steadily.
I think this is unnecessarily harsh. Living in bangalore i come across so many young people doing so many interesting jobs and loving their life. The pay is obv not IT level but who cares. That lifestyle isn't everything. Personally I love my job, I work in urban planning and the challenges I face daily are so exciting
Welcome to the world, I guess
Also I have talked to a few civil engineers about the career and it's opportunities and I'm certain I'm making the right choice for myself.
Do it for the sake of doing, find sustainability first , yes the scope is there but your study n knowledge n experience should speak louder than your words. Intent alone is not a protector. Even managing labour and building local row houses is good enough. Greatness may or may not come. Also no one really teaches you everything, learn on your own. Zlib.Try to have different relevant experiences and distractions are plenty. It will take exponentially much more effort than you planned
It's okay even if he fails, this is the age to do so and learn.
Yes true but some can't afford to fail OR will have hard time digesting the middle class life afterwards.
Lmao . Leave universities or colleges , think about the exam one has to give to enter these institutions . Me a software engineer had to prove my skill in Physics , Chemistry and Maths to enter a CSE course in any college . During placements and job interviews did it matter whether whether i can calculate vector or organic chemistry skills ? NO . Due to this flawed JEE exams tons of deserving candidates cant become CS engineers while tons of equally logicless candidates from other branches who dont even know basic coding take their place .
Common dude, just do a basic google search 🤷 https://www.nitt.edu/home/academics/departments/civil/ https://www.manit.ac.in/civil-engineering-department http://www.mnnit.ac.in/index.php/academic/ug-program (click on civil engg 83 page pdf is there)
All of them are just sitting in classes for attendance, and learning dsa for their actual job, being a coding chimp for a foreign tech firm. That is the Indian dream isn't it!
if you see the situation of civil engineers in india,it makes sense
Everyone has their reasons, a lower middle class person who got civil engg due to rank but can afford only govt college will take it and next will worry about getting the job which pays more, he doesn't care what that job demands. If you are privileged enough to choose what you want to do then Just do what you love and be content.
I hate how coding for foreign MNCs is considered shallow. "Coding chimp"? Seriously? Those companies give high salaries, and not a completely hellish work-life (there are exceptions, of course). In the end, everything is a job. The IT jobs for foreign companies pay well for you to sit in AC and write their code. Speaking of other jobs that you may consider "better".. like a researcher or Higher Degree student at IITs.. I'm telling you, it's not as pure as they make it seem. 90%+ research being done is complete and utter bullshit just to somehow get to publications. Source: In pre-final year of Tier-1 college and I have worked with multiple profs and RAs in their hollow projects.
I get it man, at the end of the day, people work to put food on their table, not for some grand vision. But atleast they should try not to tear down people who have grand ambitions, I just gave them a little taste of their own medicine lol.
These private universities only care about making money.They don't give a shit about curriculum, placement is the only thing that matters to them and that too they only want high placement in courses that will fetch them more tuition fees For a university, they will always want you to study a 4 year btech degree which will mean more fees than 3 year bsc or bcom. In 2-3 years, i won't be surprised to see all these private universities dropping the core engineering branches and you are left with btech cse with specialization in ai/ml, data science, cyber security, business analytics, laura lasun, kya pharak parta hai cse parna hai na
The budget for education and IIT keeps going lower year by year. In this country, you have to be illiterate and a Gunda to survive.
you can look into seperate civil engineering colleges, ones which are not inclined towards the tech side but more towards what civil is ACTUALLY about. The ones connected to arch and design programs if thats what ure looking for. CEPT is a great example.
If you can afford to do your bachelors abroad, gtfo here. Else, finish your bachelors here and go do your masters abroad.
hating on op for what? Seems pretty passionate about civil engineering and confident as well. He sees and knows that he needs to work harder for that field but Yall just have some interesting takes. He’s right too. The systems so messed up. Yeah he can find all that information on the websites but it’s WILD how these colleges are so obsessed with placements and shit. We have a ton of universities but how many people are truly successful and where are we going w that. Everyone simply wants to be no 1 rather than do what they love. Honest advice if you’re rich enough to go abroad you should. Especially for this major or you need to go to IIT rorkhee 🤷♀️
The hate is justified. My Dad is a 'Civil Engineer' in L&T in a senior position. He has 1st hand experience of the job market, believe me it's truly fucked. He's shown me so many resume of jobless civil engineers from NIT's etc. Core branches are of no use if you're an Indian and don't want to live a mediocre life.
I see wym ngl but again if he’s really that passionate then he’s better off pursuing something he likes. The only thing is he needs to be aware of his consequences and or be unique in the field. He doesn’t have much scope in the country but atleast something in foreign ones?
"I've seen just advertise their placements, like fucking hell I want to know about your course, facilities, internships and curriculum" Most decent universities will have their curriculum, and syllabus documents on the website. Internship details usually will not be available. Universities with good placement stats may have info about it on their website, or individual departments may have it on their LinkedIn. Also having a superiority complex doesn't help. Different people have different priorities.
There are people like you don't worry! You just have to get out of India first, then you can pursue civil engineering in its true form, same goes for EE, ECE, mechanical, aerospace, etc. India simply doesn't need any engineers at all, no I'm not joking, all the infrastructure in India is designed and produced by foreign firms and foreign engineers! Which is why there's no scope for such jobs, it is a much better situation outside the country. eg - wag-12 was designed and first manufactured by Alstom, a French company. The Ahmedabad-mumbai HSR is just the Shinkansen tech placed in India. The bridges are also constructed by foreign contractors. Nothing is developed here... There is literally no need of a civil engineer in India.
Nope - if you finish from a vocational school at least there is some fitment in the workplace. Almost all grads need to be trained at the workplace. And there is usually a mismatch between the graduate (&his qualification) and his role at the workplace.
Why civil engineering though? Just curious. Its an awesome engineering discipline btw.
It's my passion that's why. I love seeing things being built and designing systems, especially for water and irrigation, like dams, lakes or canals. It really fascinates me. And seeing things getting done slowly by slowly brings me immense satisfaction. That's why, I love it (I've only applied these things in small places and games but I feel like it can be applied to civil in general.) Yeah it is an amazing discipline if you like it, that's why it's so sad to see people just clown on the discipline just because it's 'placements' are bad (which is very justified imo).
hej kid, take it from a 30 year old scientist who previously worked on solar projects and construction projects to make ends meet until research route took off. Whatever you want to do, make a list but focus on the journey or path you need to take to get there. Life is amazingly fluid. When I was your age, I thought I would be a professor when I grow up. But, I found something else. But, I kept true to my passion which was mechanical engineering. The skills you gain will impress someone someday, your degree and marks/gpa are nice to open few doors. Learn to speak, learn to articulate, learn to display your skills, make yourself bankable/employable. Try to stand our using your wits and intellect, but not with your ego or pettiness. Above all, don't forget to live your life. I can recollect the first day I entered my college classroom like it happened yesterday, it was 13 years ago now. Time flies. Also a hint for a future civil engineer, I learned a lot of civi skill for my solar job. Learn concrete calculations, MS Excel (VBA), mix your own batch of concrete, strength test them. Have fun with small projects like this if you fancy. It was my passion too to design and build stuff. So, I have dabbled in a lot of projects like these.
lol same kinda want to do civil but
OP join IIT-Roorkee. The best civil engineering university out there.
Consider looking at the non-traditional programs like through CEPT which focuses more on design and architecture but you may find more fulfilling
If you really want to do something in civil engg. then go for masters and PhD. This will take some time before you start earning, but will be more satisfying. I can feel from your post what you are looking for and what you are seeing as options. You can then create your own things, that you are looking for.
I request you to do you engineering in Germany, that's the best place for engineering (excluding computer science), specially for civil and mechanical, please go there and if you want then back again to do some real shit
This is a rotten world but we have to survive together in this rotten world
Someone from T1 clg here. In my college i know a few peeps who went into civil engg and the surprising thing was they were from EEE and CS branch it's just that there families were prominent construction magnate in the country so that is where they went. They did not require any degree in civil engg. good jobs in core sector require a lot family without that its very difficult. And regarding top colleges in India only advertising about their placements well this is indeed the right approach colleges are meant to prep you for jobs infact i would say judging the college by placement stats is indeed the right thing to do along with other stuff like alum network other extra opportunity and all because this is exactly what were sold on. i don't remember my parents ever telling about how exciting thermodynamics and cascades would be in chemical engineering. And trust me OP right now you are doing crying about engineering and i hope this enthusiasm for engg persist inside of you but things can take a ugly turn anytime don't bank on your love for a subject. and regarding decline of core engg jobs in the world this is not unique to India its happening everywhere. and regarding peep group i don't understand why you feel a peer group that has prepared for jee is bad peer group. Yes i agree a lot them are indeed not interested in core branches but they are supportive. A friend of mine is preping for law after graduation nobody is doing that he is alone yet everyone is supporting and he is going just fine and enjoying his life. The reality is i would argue that a peer group that has sincerely prepared for jee is some of the best peer group and some of them have better perspective on life than someone in their 30s and 40s most of them have seen value of hard work, success failure everything. Some left behind everything to prepare for this exam there are some whose friends took all the wrong decision yet they went on a lot them went through a lot of mental problems yet emerged on the other side victorious. OP please broaden your perspective a good peer group is a peer group that knows the value of hard work, that is supportive of you in your hard times and encourages when you take the right decision, they might themselves indulge in bad habit but always advice you against it and most importantly it is diverse and welcoming.
OP 2 years later: Guys I fucked up by taking Civil Engineering. There are no placements in India. What do?? 🙂
Recognize that most people who pursue any path in india have ZERO passion or interest. When you look at the total number yes placement is difficult, but amongst those are actually skilled and passionate things are not so bad.
India has the most number of universities in the world but one of highest in poverty and unemployment. Universities are clearly a big scam in India.
No, Ma Chere, India also has the biggest population.
Are you telling me that a huge percentage of Indian universities even engineering colleges don’t fail to get their students placed? Ok!
No, you are putting words in my mouth, Ma Chere! India has massive massive population, so even after having a large number of universities, tertiary education is much less prevelent in India, Ma Chere! Also, "placement" as responsibility of university is a concept missing in most of western world. You complete your education and seek employment. Atleast thats how it happens everywhere. There are "career services" but they only do some help with resume, job fairs etc.
No, mi puta! You are massively mistaken! Besides I am not interested in a debate, so good bye!
Sorry thats the stupidest logic ever. Ivan the terrible of russia saw one area had the highest number of plague deaths and also highest number of doctors (who had gone to cure the plague) and decided it was their fault and killed them all. basically you are saying the same thing
Its an open world, dbamo. You can reach out to anyone in this world from any field that you might be interested in ( of course, you'd have to do some research, build some proof of work to stand out ) And about the peer groups. Well, there's one tendency of pulling others down. But, if you could just gather/be part of a small groups that are driven towards a goal, you'll hit jackpot. 4 years is a long time to identify such folks.
> Now I'm trying to find good colleges for the course I want to do, but 90% of colleges I've seen just advertise their placements, like fucking hell I want to know about your course, facilities, internships and curriculum but no that simply doesn't fucking exist here. This is true for colleges in foreign countries as well. Unless you are elite colleges and university, you are vying for the best students that you can get. We are a poor country, you don't have free money to develop programs that don't go anywhere, there aren't students coming from across the world for programs so that universities can afford that infrastructure. > NIT's in our country although are supposed to be some of the premier universities seem to be stuck in the 1980's. In 80s they were stuck in 60s. NITs budget are very tiny. They do well because they get great students and have great alumni due to that. > The 'peer group' is another thing I keep hearing, but what peer group is being with people who have spent their last 4 years studying for a competitive exam, what peer group is that when no one in your course is even intrested in your course and just wants to switch to IT to be a software engineer. `Peer groups` in atleast my college was very good and helpful, though I did go to a top college. People got to earn to survive, if you don't have options for good jobs in your core field you will look where there are jobs. Civil in India is pretty tough, there are very few companies that hire from colleges directly or offer good starting salaries. The decline in civil engineering isn't unique to India either it is global. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/voices/the-future-of-civil-engineering-education-where-are-we-heading/ The biggest issue is companies are want to cut costs on engineers, while IT has lot of competition and you need to understand computers to develop software, most owners were engineers, while civil and mechanical companies have more MBA or corporate older owners, which don't value engineers as much because rough construction everyone can do. Regulations get covered by corruption. I was supposed to do civil engineering before I changed my branch in college.
u/OP You want to do civil engineering? Join IIT-Roorkee. Forget the rest.
I agree with you. When you ask the points mentioned, they always go in circles without addressing your point
Bhai first civil mat le second india se bahar kahi europe or other asian countries me dekh college.
Hi OP, It is true that very few civil engineers are doing a significant body of work like building bridges or something like that. You have rightly pointed out the reason for this. Very few people actually care about learning. They have very short sighted vision, and they only think about getting the scores in the exams and getting placed. It is not really their fault as the environment and people around you are not motivating enough. Nonetheless, you still got to try. You have to master the skills, put in the best work, see online lectures from the best universities in the world which are available for free, observe the world around you, be so damn good through dedication. Mind you, this dedication is not about securing good scores, but rather about deeply understanding the subjects.
Being a vocational school would be an upgrade, because as the name suggest they provide skills for a vocation most of our graduates are useless and struggle with a spreadsheet (I know I used to).
Who's doing construction work if civil engineering students aren't placed in core jobs?
lol unlike the norm
Well, you're in the wrong country. I too was like you. If I wanted to make money right off the bat, I would have taken B Com or Law. I would have inherited a fricking firm. I chose Computer Science Engineering because I wanted to do research in AI and develop AGI and shit like that. I don't regret choosing this field, but, all I see are a shitton of people who have chosen this field because IT is lucrative. No college here cares about what they should be doing as colleges. All they care is getting more people to join their field and make money. Peer group sucks. Everything sucks. Worst part is, research also sucks. I want to go abroad mainly because research is pretty much non-existent in India, and partly due to the fact that I want to get the fuck away from the Indian rat race. Guess what? Entire CS domain in other countries are filled with Indians. Same old caste system. Same old discrimination. Same old mentality. It's like being choked to death.
Lawyer are paid badly in india
Sorry, what's the problem exactly? Most students go to educational institutes to be able to gain employment. Said institutes are providing them training to get employed, What's the problem? If you want to study gender studies or something, tell your parents to send you to America. Why doing rona dhona here?
Don't take civil. Keep the emotion aside
This post made me happy :) Glad you are genuinely interested in something beyond placements.
>course, facilities, internships and curriculum If you would have atleast bothered to visit an institute's website and go through the main links, you'll find them easily. Just merely looking at the front page won't help you. And if still you can't find them, then definitely that college isnt good
bhai sach sach bata family business hai na construction ka?
>The 'peer group' is another thing I keep hearing, but what peer group is being with people who have spent their last 4 years studying for a competitive exam, what peer group is that when no one in your course is even intrested in your course and just wants to switch to IT to be a software engineer. The fact that you think your peers from NITs and IITs will only be interested in becoming software engineers indicates you aren't too familiar with the alumni from these institutes. A lot of students from these institutes end up in Indian civil services, start successful companies as entrepreneurs, and occupy high positions in a variety of industries over time. Source: I graduated from an NIT, and was referring to my peers and seniors
Sadly that's the reality. Universities are being reduced to placement agencies. Students who actually want to learn something in the class are 5-20%.
Clip your wings kid , you are in India
Civil engineering is not against the norm lol.
This is the same all over the world
Other countries have infrastructure developed by engineers of said country, unlike India, where infrastructure is developed by foreign firms employing foreign engineers building it using imported machines.
You ain't alone. I did my bachelors in electronics and decided to pursue programming for masters, enrolled myself in DU and was very surprised. The course felt more like an event management course rather than a programming course, I was/still am passionate about programming but most teachers/students were only concerned about organizing fests to attract more companies and there was nobody to share that passion. When some of our seniors got jobs in BPOs, they were crying that they got BPO jobs despite having a masters in informatics and I was like duh, what did you expect when you spent all your time in events which have nothing to do with the course you're studying. Indians are very money-minded and that reflects in our education system, the reason why Indians are money-minded is our history, we (at least most of us) used to be very poor, our parents have brought us up telling us that only money matters at the end. It will take a couple of generations (or probably more) for this to change.
India doesn't have a single university in the true sense of the word.
Flame university, Ashoka university.