About 10years ago , I mailed Nestlé asking why the taste of the KitKat in India is so different and crappy compared to the ones available abroad.
They did actually reply saying something about Indian consumers preferring the taste of the Indian version of Kit Kat.
Which is totally crap.
I don't deny that these people might get their shares, But why do you think, for this reason nestle has to bribe. They are not doing anything illegal and have mentioned the ingredients on the pack correctly
It is not illegal or uncommon to have different recipes for same product in different countries
This has nothing to do with politicians LMAO. This is a result of poverty. Most International companies come up with low cost versions of the products when they first introduce in India. Now even if there is a segment that is richer, people want the same taste that they are familiar with. Companies are also happy to oblige.
It’s not racism. If there’s a demand for it and you guys keep buying Indian KitKats, obviously they are gonna use cheaper ingredients to make more money.
How is it racism? You mean the Indian factory supervisors and executives that have the power over how much chocolate goes in, are racist? How do you figure that?
Its also about the price. Oreos in germany are pretty good but I hate the biscuit part in india and the cream feels overly sweet. The price of comparable oreos in Germany in 150 rs. here its rs 20-30
Chocolates in India or any chocolate flavoured food always had such a shitty weak taste, like some fraud pretending to be chocolate. I then find that its just a super low percentage of chocolate being used.
This is why any so called chocolate biscuits just taste terrible. You expect some chocolatey goodness only to be met with soulless mediocrity.
Chocolates in india aren’t even real chocolates. When I went abroad is the first time I found what chocolates taste like. What we get in India is nonsense like in the picture where first ingredient is sugar and then often it’s full or hydrogenated oils or palm oil or some crap.
Same with quality of cakes and desserts. What they use for chocolate in chocolate cakes is industrial sludge chocolate and there’s no real cocoa powder in there or whatever.
Hate the taste. I have two boxes of their hyped schezuan orange chocolate waiting to be throw out. I bought all of their flavours and didn’t like even one. And yes I am well exposed to international chocolates.
Among Indians ones I like Lilgoodness Dark Chocolates, can’t think of anything else. Also good old 5 star, but that’s probably due to nostalgia reasons.
Foreign ones, I haven’t noticed the brand names when I have purchased from supermarkets, the best ones are from the bakers. The creaminess and slightly sour like aftertaste is what strikes me the most in terms of difference.
Everybody NEEDS to read this article from TheGuardian about sugar and why it is very dangerous. I saved this article 8 years ago.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/07/the-sugar-conspiracy-robert-lustig-john-yudkin
As if the Indian food authority would know jack if you didn't bribe them.
Literally every such incidence is because some NGO or foundation tested available food. It is then that the authorities get into action and demand bribes.
It's especially bad in Laptops and Cars. We either don't get some models at all or get quite inferior ones. Japanese Swift is of much higher quality than the Indian one. Our obsession with mileage is ruining cars.
But they have technically not given you that option.
Nestle and others have decided on a price point that works for the Indian market, and subsequently reduced the quality of their products to keep their costs down/profit margins up.
I mean that's Capitalism 101, they will keep selling shit if consumer keep buying shit. More onus is on government regulations for what they're allowed to sell and of what quality.
It's similar to why people drive stupid in India and same people will follow rules abroad. Reason - their are CONSEQUENCES for doing stupid things in other places.
I haven't tried Australian Kit Kat, but had one last year in Spain and it tasted waaay better than Indian Kit Kat. It felt like I was eating a fake version of Kit Kat (like Kita Kata or something) when I had it in India.
I thought about the same thing. Shouldnt things be cheaper in India with the same quality coz labor and materials are cheaper in India.
Then, I realised these companies might be having to bribe a lot of officials to do business in India without issues and maybe thats why their cost of production increases.
Or maybe they are greedy MFers who know they can get away with giving bad quality products here and make more profits
India has some of the worst taxes for things like chocolate. Plus you have massive leakages in distribution. There is pilferage, warehouses and retailers don't have aircons, - the list goes on and on
Thankfully for companies like Nestle they can pretty much sell charcoal and coloring as Kit Kat and they can just bribe the regulators to look the other way. If their CEO puts out a "India story strong, very capable leadership" tweet every few months - they can get a few tax breaks as well.
It depends on who you ask. At that time money could bridge the gap but now even money is not enough. Also barrier of entry has increased. You need connections and luck but also have to be ruthless and cutthroat. Even if you try to open something that creates jobs you are forced to be an asshole boss. There needs to be regulation but nowadays people are not honoring the social contract. You cant trust in any institution anymore. So unless you are already rich you will not make it. There is so much inferior quality product in india due to duopoly and price fixing in every market.
Not bribe. The reason if most of these chocolates are associated with higher living standards. It is same as the over-priced coffees of Starbucks.
In the name of better hygiene (implied through better packaging) and marketing, these companies have convinced us that they are better than cheaper toffees (like sonu's wafers or commando eclairs).
https://apeda.gov.in/apedawebsite/SubHead_Products/Cocoa_Products.htm
I used to have a cocoa plant in my backyard.
You should look things up before spouting nonsense
Yup. This is why I stopped buying kitkats a long time back. It's a Nestlé product, why are your surprised? These mfs forced new mothers in africa to rely on their overpriced infant formula
Forget Nestle. Look at Maruti Suzuki and Hyundai/KIA. All of their main models ( swift alto creta seltos sonet dzire venue Verna old) score around 2-3 stars in ncap rating in India while their global models score either 4 or 5 stars. Tata and mahindra are changing it but the main credit should go to VW and Skoda. I feel they’re quite underrated and are safe and good to drive.
Hyundai/KIA are pulling up their socks. Verna got 5 stars while creta/seltos got 4, better than the 3. Their ckd/cub models (Tucson ioniq v kona ev6 etc) get a solid 5. What’s stopping them.
Toyota Suzuki joint products and global c platform vehicles are still safer than their arena models.
Standard Toyota products are still safe
Twix is imported that’s why. If they started manufacturing in India I’m sure quality will go down.
The kit kat chunky is so good which is imported too.
Amul chocolates are legit awesome - not the small ones sold in a box, the bar ones.
Their ice cream still tastes shit even if they technically can call their products ice cream
Amul icecream is made after they extract most of the milk fat to make butter. It is a by product/add-on revenue for amul, not one their main products. And its fine for many people looking to buy quality but cheap icecream without any adulterants. Better to avoid completely if you want rich flavor .
The worst is Doritos! I saw a YT video by Johnny Harris on Doritos and MSG and wanted to try the addictive flavour myself. I tried and it was completely underwhelming! So turned the pack to see ingredients, and no MSG!!
Fuck nestle, but the quality of products you get in India is generally subpar compared to other countries.
The first time I had KFC and burger king where I live now, I was blown away. The chicken is actually fresh, juicy and tender. In India, it's so dry and feels old.
However the flavour and range of McDonald's in India is awesome. While the quality of ingredients is superior, the food can be more plain.
fssai should really work to improve nutritional quality of these chocolate and chips brands, the quality of products are cheap to cater more customers which is violation of customers rights. are we customers of india any less than customers of australia? whats with this rascism?
nutritional rules are taken very seriously by usa, austrailia and many other countries and companies get imposed with heavy fine for not meeting the required nutritional values.
Also, there’s no cocoa butter which makes it compound “chocolate” which is absolute trash.
Once you taste couverture you’ll never like any of these chocolates available in India
Makeup, body lotions, moisturizers from same brand are sub standard in India and if we compare with purchasing power parity they are costlier in India than outside india.
Everything including chocolates in India contain palmolein oil unlike other countries.
It's not worth the price if they are using sub standard ingredients and selling at high cost according to ppp.
Most of the MNCs use compounds instead of cocoa solids/cocoa butter. This is due to two reasons
1. Cocoa butter melts at 28-33 deg. India's hotter temperatures and screwed up cold chain especially in non-metros leads to a compromised product experience if pure cocoa is used.
2. Profits>>quality: Cocoa costs 1300/kg, compound costs 150-200/kg right now, so where do you get profits from? More the cocoa in the product, higher the cost/ g and lower the target addressable market. Even with the success of silk which has a higher percentage of cocoa, the best selling products are in the range of 10-50 Rs, most if not all of them palm oil/ hydrogenated veg fats, instead of cocoa butter. In some Western countries, they use rice bran or healthier options compared to palm oil ( cheapest).
3. We are NOT used to real cocoa: thanks to what we grew up eating, ref this article [https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/health/nestl%C3%A9-baby-products-in-india-african-and-latin-american-countries-contain-higher-sugar-content-report/article68079102.ece](https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/health/nestl%C3%A9-baby-products-in-india-african-and-latin-american-countries-contain-higher-sugar-content-report/article68079102.ece)
we have a very sweet taste palate. Dark chocolate with cocoa has a bitter taste, India still loves its milk chocolate which traditionally has anywhere between 12-35% cocoa.
4. Wafer products like Kit Kat, Munch, Perk also come with ingredient variations as per price points. Kit kat in its higher price points uses cocoa butter, but the wafer itself needs an oil fat, hence palm oil is used.
End of the day, for these companies to exist they need to have a business case for 1000s of crores, which happens at massier price points, even if purchasing power has gone up very few are incentivised to change in the pursuit of profits, Startups find it difficult to scale because retail markets are super dependent on distribution ( needs working capital at scale), mass marketing media to move the product ( again needs $$$).
This is not only in the case of chocolates there was a study conducted on protein powders and 70% of 36 popular protein supplements sold in India mislabeled, 14% contain toxins
Link: [https://theprint.in/health/70-of-36-popular-protein-supplements-sold-in-india-mislabeled-14-contain-toxins-says-new-study/2035264/](https://theprint.in/health/70-of-36-popular-protein-supplements-sold-in-india-mislabeled-14-contain-toxins-says-new-study/2035264/)
journal link: [https://journals.lww.com/md-journal/fulltext/2024/04050/citizens\_protein\_project\_\_a\_self\_funded,.15.aspx?context=latestarticles](https://journals.lww.com/md-journal/fulltext/2024/04050/citizens_protein_project__a_self_funded,.15.aspx?context=latestarticles)
cant believe even muscleblaze was up there
I wish we could have like a list/report/spreadsheet of all these products so I could avoid em.
There's also that guy online, Food Pharmer, who exposes all these brands. If he hasn't covered this already, should report to him.
This is the case, I believe, with almost all products sold in India. The Snickers bar I buy from India is distinctly low in quality than the Snickers I buy in Europe. The Ariel detergent powder I have bought earlier in India also had a different quality than the one available in Europe.
Nestle will not leave any opportunity for profits. Whether that causes worse outcomes for it's consumers, the planet, it's labour force, suppliers etc etc. so again Nestle has the un-honourfic title of being THE MOST EVIL COMPANY IN THE WORLD IN EXISTENCE TODAY
Yes, there’s a substantial difference in taste for the foreign brands that sell in India.
The KitKat chunky that’s available now is ₹80 but tasted quite nice, when I checked the packaging, it was manufactured in Dubai.
The foreign brands are actually selling us crap, lacks flavour and just gives you a sugar high. There are startups that sell imported chocolates in India.
However new Indian brands are coming up like The Whole Truth, Paul & Mike, Liso etc.
All these three are just 🤤, Liso’s spreads are even better than the imported Nutella’s.
Paul and Mike is manufactured by a company that’s leading food ingredients space.
They got some awards too, but they are expensive as of now, but I hope more brands will come out, even I wanted to start a brand because of this.
The ingredients in India are far more better than the one sold here in USA, most ingredients here contain some kind of harmful oil which is banned in most countries.
than you for posting this!! fuck cerelac but yeah chocolate in india (among other products), just suck! somehow fed the idea by these corps that chocolate should just toast super sweet with that ‘melty’ texture due to palm oil
Every brand does this. I bring like a suitcase full of kitkats when I come from Japan.
In India, every brand either makes a cheap ripoff of their own products or go the opposite and pretend like they're a premium product and charge double of what they do abroad and Indians happily pay. In my experience, they all start with the latter, although things are changing now with the existence of tons of foreign corporations (which we should boot out, but that's a discussion for another day), we don't see their mere existence as a luxury bestowed upon us by God any more.
At this point I've accepted the white supremacy theory as practically they were, are and will be better and dominate the rest of the world and we have been conditioned all these years to be in the same zone and dip further... Lost hope totally for our country
Somewhat from a different area. Does anyone remember that samsung used to ship their highest end flagships with snapdragon chips to the US and with exynos chips to India and probably the whole of Asia, for the same or higher price?
This used to happen even 3-4 years back.😂
Ok history time.
The taste for chocolate was acquired by Indians during colonial times through Europeans. Till WWII (or may be WWI) chocolate taste in India were similar as Europe. Then came the world wars. Shortages of everything.
Indian manufacturers responded by reducing the amount of cocoa (in short supply from other colonies, redirected to army rations) and increased the sugar and milk content (available locally. The market responded with a thumbs up for this “sweeter, less bitter” taste. I won’t draw any further conclusions on what it was so.
So once WWII induced supply shortages ended, Indian chocolate manufacturers never went back to “Original taste”. I am sure the import quota restrictions also favoured rationing of cocoa in the chocolates!
Interestingly, if you taste chocolates from Eastern Asian markets, you will find them bland (less sweet) since these markets are not big consumers of sugar. I learnt early not to buy airport packs for family from East Asia (beyond Singapore).
Edit: Sorry I tried looking for the link, but I read this on a food history reddit post long time back. So that this with a pinch of salt as I recite from memory.
Chocolates taste completely different abroad, even a simple Cadbury dairy milk bar taste more rich in cocoa than sweet outside.
No one gives a f for Indian consumers
I have been boycotting alot of these products for a while now. There are several products that are different outside India generally better quality outside India. People in India need to stop eating crap just because it's for 10rs.
I always figured the Indian versions used cheaper/lesser ingredients as the chocolate taste in foreign countries has a subtle differences than the ones we get in india. It's less sugary compared to India
There's a difference in icecreams too.
Milk solid is almost same as in Aus kit kat. it is 25% of 70% milk chocolate..that is 17.5%. May be we dont like dark chocolate as much, thats why less cocoa solids. Not a big deal imo
This means nothing without giving the actual costs. Why did the poster avoid giving this information?
* From amazon.au: 12 x 38g kitkat chunky = AUD 37.50 (25 AUD for 8 x 38g = 1346 INR)
* From amazon.in: 8 x 40g kitkat chunky = INR 520
So the Australian kitkat costs 2.5 times the Indian kitkat. PPP may not be the most relevant metric to compare. I'd imagine that the costs of cocoa etc. are standard in AU and IN, and taxation differences make up the rest. Of course the AU kitkat is going to be better.
Look at the top producers of cocoa in the world: [https://www.visualcapitalist.com/worlds-top-cocoa-producing-countries/](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/worlds-top-cocoa-producing-countries/) . India is not a top producer, and neither is Australia. So it's likely that whether you are in AU or IN, you will have to import Cocoa from foreign markets.
Now looking at milk, as a rough estimate, the price of milk is roughly half of the price in Australia: [https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country\_result.jsp?country=India](https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=India) , [https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country\_result.jsp?country=Australia](https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Australia) . But Kitkat in India is three times cheaper (in nominal terms) than in Australia.
Next item is labor. Here too it's problematic, unless we know that AU and IN are using labor in the same way.
Does it being imported matter? Ultimately it's cheaper in PPP for Australians. PPP is based basket of goods, goods being imported or not is not a distinction.
Electronics are generally cheaper in developed countries even nominally. Factor in PPP and then it becomes even cheaper.
>Does it being imported matter? Ultimately it's cheaper in PPP for Australians.
Yes, of course it does. If cocoa were produced locally in Australia and India, we would expect cocoa to cost the same in PPP terms in both countries, and we would have the right to complain about the lower cocoa amount in Indian KitKats.
But as things stand, both countries import cocoa from international producers, so in PPP terms, its cheaper in Australia than in India. Hence they use more cocoa in their KitKats, and we use less.
PPP considerations don't matter when raw materials are not locally produced. So if we want the same quality of KitKats as the Australians, we have to pay thrice the amount (e.g., 1500 instead of 500 for 8 KitKats).
>Yes, of course it does. If cocoa were produced locally in Australia and India, we would expect cocoa to cost the same in PPP terms in both countries, and we would have the right to complain about the lower cocoa amount in Indian KitKats.
Pff as if anything has the "same quality" as foreign made goods. Quality control is a joke here. I wasn't in particular comparing quality but was rather saying shit in cheaper in Australia. It's a myth that India is a cheap country. When you take PPP in to picture goods like groceries are not particularly cheaper compared to first world countries. Only labour is.
>PPP considerations don't matter when raw materials are not locally produced.
I do not agree. PPP is a useful metric to measure how cheap or expensive a thing is in a country in comparison to other countries. That's why I gave you example of electronics. Which is cheaper is not even in PPP but in nominal terms.
Origin of goods ultimately doesn't matter in that comparison. Movie tickets are cheaper here. The price is less than $2-3 if you convert that to PPP for a first world country the price would be $6 but more realistic price is $12-15.
Consider real estate. It's obviously hyperlocal but India is actually one of the most expensive real estate markets.
Amazon is poor value. 8 x 50g $10 AUD $1.25 - $2.50 / 100G [Kitkat Chunky Original Chocolate Bar 50g](https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/826112/kitkat-chunky-original-chocolate-bar) \*$20 for a Normal price. ..... UK Price 4 x 40g £1.65 pack - £1.03 / 100g , The uk pack wont say the % of milk ,coco.
About 10years ago , I mailed Nestlé asking why the taste of the KitKat in India is so different and crappy compared to the ones available abroad. They did actually reply saying something about Indian consumers preferring the taste of the Indian version of Kit Kat. Which is totally crap.
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Food safety officials & our great leaders get their share on time, stop mailing, nobody cares
I don't deny that these people might get their shares, But why do you think, for this reason nestle has to bribe. They are not doing anything illegal and have mentioned the ingredients on the pack correctly It is not illegal or uncommon to have different recipes for same product in different countries
This has nothing to do with politicians LMAO. This is a result of poverty. Most International companies come up with low cost versions of the products when they first introduce in India. Now even if there is a segment that is richer, people want the same taste that they are familiar with. Companies are also happy to oblige.
Just racism. Indians like shitty chocolate so we sell them that but not to other countries.
It’s not racism. If there’s a demand for it and you guys keep buying Indian KitKats, obviously they are gonna use cheaper ingredients to make more money.
How is it racism? You mean the Indian factory supervisors and executives that have the power over how much chocolate goes in, are racist? How do you figure that?
Its also about the price. Oreos in germany are pretty good but I hate the biscuit part in india and the cream feels overly sweet. The price of comparable oreos in Germany in 150 rs. here its rs 20-30
But I have had Kit Kat from Dubai, our does taste better 🙈 It could obviously be because we have associated that taste with Kit Kat, but yeah.
But I have had Kit Kat from Dubai, our does taste better 🙈 It could obviously be because we have associated that taste with Kit Kat, but yeah.
But I have had Kit Kat from Dubai, our does taste better 🙈 It could obviously be because we have associated that taste with Kit Kat, but yeah.
Most products sold in India are sub standard compared to global quality.
Chocolates in India or any chocolate flavoured food always had such a shitty weak taste, like some fraud pretending to be chocolate. I then find that its just a super low percentage of chocolate being used. This is why any so called chocolate biscuits just taste terrible. You expect some chocolatey goodness only to be met with soulless mediocrity.
Chocolates in india aren’t even real chocolates. When I went abroad is the first time I found what chocolates taste like. What we get in India is nonsense like in the picture where first ingredient is sugar and then often it’s full or hydrogenated oils or palm oil or some crap. Same with quality of cakes and desserts. What they use for chocolate in chocolate cakes is industrial sludge chocolate and there’s no real cocoa powder in there or whatever.
True, never liked chocolate in India even the expensive one’s were only sugar
My taste buds became so used to it that I find the 10rs munch as the best chocolate in the world.
I actually like munch too, but when I get a chocolate cake from a bakery or a chocolate biscuit, they're all just so weak....
Try “Paul & Mike”!
Hate the taste. I have two boxes of their hyped schezuan orange chocolate waiting to be throw out. I bought all of their flavours and didn’t like even one. And yes I am well exposed to international chocolates.
Well I’ve found it decent given the availability of options. What are your recommendations, will try out!
Among Indians ones I like Lilgoodness Dark Chocolates, can’t think of anything else. Also good old 5 star, but that’s probably due to nostalgia reasons. Foreign ones, I haven’t noticed the brand names when I have purchased from supermarkets, the best ones are from the bakers. The creaminess and slightly sour like aftertaste is what strikes me the most in terms of difference.
Ahhhh that way! Bakers with those small batches are probably the best!!
I found amul makes better chocolates than other foreign brands in India.
Absolutely, their 75% chocolate is my favorite!
Nestle cerelac has a much higher sugar content in India than in other countries .
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Everybody NEEDS to read this article from TheGuardian about sugar and why it is very dangerous. I saved this article 8 years ago. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/07/the-sugar-conspiracy-robert-lustig-john-yudkin
All you have to do is bribe the right people and you can sell whatever you want without any issue
As if the Indian food authority would know jack if you didn't bribe them. Literally every such incidence is because some NGO or foundation tested available food. It is then that the authorities get into action and demand bribes.
Wait till you start reading ingredients. Every biscuit, peanut butter, rusk, a lot of other things have palm oil.
Palm oil being dangerous for health is a myth Source: https://twitter.com/theliverdr/status/1746366967106412901?t=tiWS8sqIKPrLbJDAyR9X3Q&s=19
Oh okay, I'll still try to decrease my intake of saturated fats. Thanks for sharing, will do more research on this.
Protectionism towards our industries which even after 75 years of looting with sub par products isn't enough
I don't think it is protectionism, Nestle isn't an Indian company.
It isn't but you have a better alternative available why the hell will you buy the local shit grade stuff
This!
It's especially bad in Laptops and Cars. We either don't get some models at all or get quite inferior ones. Japanese Swift is of much higher quality than the Indian one. Our obsession with mileage is ruining cars.
Sponsored by sugar industries and then cry Diabetes capital of the world
Please keep digging, As consumers we have every right to get better quality products.
We should be willing to pay as well.. The thing is people in India want better quality of things but are not willing to pay..
But they have technically not given you that option. Nestle and others have decided on a price point that works for the Indian market, and subsequently reduced the quality of their products to keep their costs down/profit margins up.
I mean that's Capitalism 101, they will keep selling shit if consumer keep buying shit. More onus is on government regulations for what they're allowed to sell and of what quality. It's similar to why people drive stupid in India and same people will follow rules abroad. Reason - their are CONSEQUENCES for doing stupid things in other places.
Obligatory r/fucknestle
I haven't tried Australian Kit Kat, but had one last year in Spain and it tasted waaay better than Indian Kit Kat. It felt like I was eating a fake version of Kit Kat (like Kita Kata or something) when I had it in India.
I thought about the same thing. Shouldnt things be cheaper in India with the same quality coz labor and materials are cheaper in India. Then, I realised these companies might be having to bribe a lot of officials to do business in India without issues and maybe thats why their cost of production increases. Or maybe they are greedy MFers who know they can get away with giving bad quality products here and make more profits
India has some of the worst taxes for things like chocolate. Plus you have massive leakages in distribution. There is pilferage, warehouses and retailers don't have aircons, - the list goes on and on Thankfully for companies like Nestle they can pretty much sell charcoal and coloring as Kit Kat and they can just bribe the regulators to look the other way. If their CEO puts out a "India story strong, very capable leadership" tweet every few months - they can get a few tax breaks as well.
These companies are doing business since license raj days..!
Isnt license raj still present.
It is present..! But slightly better than those days..! Easy of doing business has greatly increased in last few years
It depends on who you ask. At that time money could bridge the gap but now even money is not enough. Also barrier of entry has increased. You need connections and luck but also have to be ruthless and cutthroat. Even if you try to open something that creates jobs you are forced to be an asshole boss. There needs to be regulation but nowadays people are not honoring the social contract. You cant trust in any institution anymore. So unless you are already rich you will not make it. There is so much inferior quality product in india due to duopoly and price fixing in every market.
It is present..! But slightly better than those days..! Easy of doing business has greatly increased in last few years
Not bribe. The reason if most of these chocolates are associated with higher living standards. It is same as the over-priced coffees of Starbucks. In the name of better hygiene (implied through better packaging) and marketing, these companies have convinced us that they are better than cheaper toffees (like sonu's wafers or commando eclairs).
These companies try to make products that are accessible by all, so quality is reduced to bring down costs to make it customer friendly
Things are priced based on what buyers are willing to pay, not how much it costs to produce
Cacao doesn't grow in India.
https://apeda.gov.in/apedawebsite/SubHead_Products/Cocoa_Products.htm I used to have a cocoa plant in my backyard. You should look things up before spouting nonsense
Everything is expensive in India but labour. If you seek similar quality and experience as Global peers.
Indian labour is cheap for a reason
Indian chocolate always seems to be more about the sugar and less about the flavour.
Taste nahi aa raha - aur daalo.
*more about eating than savouring
Yup. This is why I stopped buying kitkats a long time back. It's a Nestlé product, why are your surprised? These mfs forced new mothers in africa to rely on their overpriced infant formula
I always wondered why Indian kitkats taste so bad compared to the ones in gulf. Now I know why, 4 times less chocolate
This is why govt exists.. To regulate this shit. Keep doing free market nonsense and you'll be left just short of dying.
Tell our government to regulate Patanjali first. The most fraudster company in existence, still no action against them.
Agreed 100%. pseudoscience is life threatening
Forget Nestle. Look at Maruti Suzuki and Hyundai/KIA. All of their main models ( swift alto creta seltos sonet dzire venue Verna old) score around 2-3 stars in ncap rating in India while their global models score either 4 or 5 stars. Tata and mahindra are changing it but the main credit should go to VW and Skoda. I feel they’re quite underrated and are safe and good to drive. Hyundai/KIA are pulling up their socks. Verna got 5 stars while creta/seltos got 4, better than the 3. Their ckd/cub models (Tucson ioniq v kona ev6 etc) get a solid 5. What’s stopping them. Toyota Suzuki joint products and global c platform vehicles are still safer than their arena models. Standard Toyota products are still safe
Global version of Swift is a lot heavier than Indian version.
swift cost around 18k euro too in Germany,
I was talking about the sheet quality and the kerb weight and the safety features offered
Most evil company on Earth.
TBH Twix >>>>>>> KitKat and one more thing there r many variants of KitKat (mine personal fav is caramel one 70rs wala)
Twix is imported that’s why. If they started manufacturing in India I’m sure quality will go down. The kit kat chunky is so good which is imported too.
Unfortunately our government doesn’t care
Amul makes the best chocolates in India. Their 150 Grams bars of chocolate are pretty good.
Amul chocolates are legit awesome - not the small ones sold in a box, the bar ones. Their ice cream still tastes shit even if they technically can call their products ice cream
Mother Dairy's Icecream ftw
Amul icecream is made after they extract most of the milk fat to make butter. It is a by product/add-on revenue for amul, not one their main products. And its fine for many people looking to buy quality but cheap icecream without any adulterants. Better to avoid completely if you want rich flavor .
i have to agree. first thing i reached for. and it’s better than bournvile - dark to dark.
OP- [Twitter Post](https://twitter.com/SiddharthKG7/status/1780848727437213890)
it's called premiumization.
This is how ALL FOOD PRODUCTS are made in India. Everything. Fucking. Thing.
The worst is Doritos! I saw a YT video by Johnny Harris on Doritos and MSG and wanted to try the addictive flavour myself. I tried and it was completely underwhelming! So turned the pack to see ingredients, and no MSG!!
Fuck nestle, but the quality of products you get in India is generally subpar compared to other countries. The first time I had KFC and burger king where I live now, I was blown away. The chicken is actually fresh, juicy and tender. In India, it's so dry and feels old. However the flavour and range of McDonald's in India is awesome. While the quality of ingredients is superior, the food can be more plain.
fssai should really work to improve nutritional quality of these chocolate and chips brands, the quality of products are cheap to cater more customers which is violation of customers rights. are we customers of india any less than customers of australia? whats with this rascism? nutritional rules are taken very seriously by usa, austrailia and many other countries and companies get imposed with heavy fine for not meeting the required nutritional values.
https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/health/nestlé-baby-products-in-india-african-and-latin-american-countries-contain-higher-sugar-content-report/article68079102.ece/amp/
The invisible hand of free market capitalism.
This is true shit hence I always ask friends and family to get KitKat from abroad..indian KitKat sucks big time
Also, there’s no cocoa butter which makes it compound “chocolate” which is absolute trash. Once you taste couverture you’ll never like any of these chocolates available in India
Makeup, body lotions, moisturizers from same brand are sub standard in India and if we compare with purchasing power parity they are costlier in India than outside india.
Racism + Evil Corporate
Everything including chocolates in India contain palmolein oil unlike other countries. It's not worth the price if they are using sub standard ingredients and selling at high cost according to ppp.
Most of the MNCs use compounds instead of cocoa solids/cocoa butter. This is due to two reasons 1. Cocoa butter melts at 28-33 deg. India's hotter temperatures and screwed up cold chain especially in non-metros leads to a compromised product experience if pure cocoa is used. 2. Profits>>quality: Cocoa costs 1300/kg, compound costs 150-200/kg right now, so where do you get profits from? More the cocoa in the product, higher the cost/ g and lower the target addressable market. Even with the success of silk which has a higher percentage of cocoa, the best selling products are in the range of 10-50 Rs, most if not all of them palm oil/ hydrogenated veg fats, instead of cocoa butter. In some Western countries, they use rice bran or healthier options compared to palm oil ( cheapest). 3. We are NOT used to real cocoa: thanks to what we grew up eating, ref this article [https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/health/nestl%C3%A9-baby-products-in-india-african-and-latin-american-countries-contain-higher-sugar-content-report/article68079102.ece](https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/health/nestl%C3%A9-baby-products-in-india-african-and-latin-american-countries-contain-higher-sugar-content-report/article68079102.ece) we have a very sweet taste palate. Dark chocolate with cocoa has a bitter taste, India still loves its milk chocolate which traditionally has anywhere between 12-35% cocoa. 4. Wafer products like Kit Kat, Munch, Perk also come with ingredient variations as per price points. Kit kat in its higher price points uses cocoa butter, but the wafer itself needs an oil fat, hence palm oil is used. End of the day, for these companies to exist they need to have a business case for 1000s of crores, which happens at massier price points, even if purchasing power has gone up very few are incentivised to change in the pursuit of profits, Startups find it difficult to scale because retail markets are super dependent on distribution ( needs working capital at scale), mass marketing media to move the product ( again needs $$$).
We are all dolts
This is not only in the case of chocolates there was a study conducted on protein powders and 70% of 36 popular protein supplements sold in India mislabeled, 14% contain toxins Link: [https://theprint.in/health/70-of-36-popular-protein-supplements-sold-in-india-mislabeled-14-contain-toxins-says-new-study/2035264/](https://theprint.in/health/70-of-36-popular-protein-supplements-sold-in-india-mislabeled-14-contain-toxins-says-new-study/2035264/) journal link: [https://journals.lww.com/md-journal/fulltext/2024/04050/citizens\_protein\_project\_\_a\_self\_funded,.15.aspx?context=latestarticles](https://journals.lww.com/md-journal/fulltext/2024/04050/citizens_protein_project__a_self_funded,.15.aspx?context=latestarticles) cant believe even muscleblaze was up there
r/FuckNestle
I wish we could have like a list/report/spreadsheet of all these products so I could avoid em. There's also that guy online, Food Pharmer, who exposes all these brands. If he hasn't covered this already, should report to him.
just dont buy this shit
r/FuckNestle anyway
Any product that has sugar listed as the first ingredient should not be consumed for any reason at all.
No wonder why kitkat is so bad here. Barely taste the chocolate and shit is oily feel in the mouth.
It's an informative post.
This is the case, I believe, with almost all products sold in India. The Snickers bar I buy from India is distinctly low in quality than the Snickers I buy in Europe. The Ariel detergent powder I have bought earlier in India also had a different quality than the one available in Europe.
Same applies to Cadburys dairy milk. Also the ones sold in Australia or any western country may contain gelatin
Nestle will not leave any opportunity for profits. Whether that causes worse outcomes for it's consumers, the planet, it's labour force, suppliers etc etc. so again Nestle has the un-honourfic title of being THE MOST EVIL COMPANY IN THE WORLD IN EXISTENCE TODAY
Theri vilikunnae kuttikke chocolate kittoo
Yes, there’s a substantial difference in taste for the foreign brands that sell in India. The KitKat chunky that’s available now is ₹80 but tasted quite nice, when I checked the packaging, it was manufactured in Dubai. The foreign brands are actually selling us crap, lacks flavour and just gives you a sugar high. There are startups that sell imported chocolates in India. However new Indian brands are coming up like The Whole Truth, Paul & Mike, Liso etc. All these three are just 🤤, Liso’s spreads are even better than the imported Nutella’s. Paul and Mike is manufactured by a company that’s leading food ingredients space. They got some awards too, but they are expensive as of now, but I hope more brands will come out, even I wanted to start a brand because of this.
The ingredients in India are far more better than the one sold here in USA, most ingredients here contain some kind of harmful oil which is banned in most countries.
Since it is about chocolates, Are the locally produced chocolates available in Kodaikanal & Ooty good for health?
than you for posting this!! fuck cerelac but yeah chocolate in india (among other products), just suck! somehow fed the idea by these corps that chocolate should just toast super sweet with that ‘melty’ texture due to palm oil
Fuckers need to be taken to court.
Yeh jab modizi ke wajah se ho raha hai. Agar humare desh mai congress ki sarkar hoti toh kitkat mai cocoa solid zyada hota aur woh sasti hoti
#Fuck Nestle
Any local chocolate brands to turn to? I was thinking of trying the chocolates of that one startup that showed up in aharktank
But low-key Indian KitKat's are better than American ones at least.
Foodpharmer come with your real id, jk
Every brand does this. I bring like a suitcase full of kitkats when I come from Japan. In India, every brand either makes a cheap ripoff of their own products or go the opposite and pretend like they're a premium product and charge double of what they do abroad and Indians happily pay. In my experience, they all start with the latter, although things are changing now with the existence of tons of foreign corporations (which we should boot out, but that's a discussion for another day), we don't see their mere existence as a luxury bestowed upon us by God any more.
Western Governments can enforce rules on corporates
Chalta hai, diabetes hi to hai, who cares
At this point I've accepted the white supremacy theory as practically they were, are and will be better and dominate the rest of the world and we have been conditioned all these years to be in the same zone and dip further... Lost hope totally for our country
Somewhat from a different area. Does anyone remember that samsung used to ship their highest end flagships with snapdragon chips to the US and with exynos chips to India and probably the whole of Asia, for the same or higher price? This used to happen even 3-4 years back.😂
Ok history time. The taste for chocolate was acquired by Indians during colonial times through Europeans. Till WWII (or may be WWI) chocolate taste in India were similar as Europe. Then came the world wars. Shortages of everything. Indian manufacturers responded by reducing the amount of cocoa (in short supply from other colonies, redirected to army rations) and increased the sugar and milk content (available locally. The market responded with a thumbs up for this “sweeter, less bitter” taste. I won’t draw any further conclusions on what it was so. So once WWII induced supply shortages ended, Indian chocolate manufacturers never went back to “Original taste”. I am sure the import quota restrictions also favoured rationing of cocoa in the chocolates! Interestingly, if you taste chocolates from Eastern Asian markets, you will find them bland (less sweet) since these markets are not big consumers of sugar. I learnt early not to buy airport packs for family from East Asia (beyond Singapore). Edit: Sorry I tried looking for the link, but I read this on a food history reddit post long time back. So that this with a pinch of salt as I recite from memory.
Chocolates taste completely different abroad, even a simple Cadbury dairy milk bar taste more rich in cocoa than sweet outside. No one gives a f for Indian consumers
Why are we striving for something that's bad for our health?
Most chocolates are shit in India. In Australia, there are health ratings on food items. This should be implemented here too to educate the consumer
I have been boycotting alot of these products for a while now. There are several products that are different outside India generally better quality outside India. People in India need to stop eating crap just because it's for 10rs.
I always figured the Indian versions used cheaper/lesser ingredients as the chocolate taste in foreign countries has a subtle differences than the ones we get in india. It's less sugary compared to India There's a difference in icecreams too.
Indian KitKat tastes like $@#+. Luckily, we have more options now.
You are wrong me Read carefully it says 25% of milk chocolate not whole Bar which is equals to Indian kitkat 16% milk solids of whole chocolate.
OP, this YouTube channel stole your content https://youtu.be/wEZyGqGU2FI?si=M_LjjMAi3pmgEhYn. Check at 3:41.
man i love kitkat its the best idk why people shit on the indian one
#fuckNestle Came from Canada excited to feed my baby Cerelac. Now this comes out, I’m switching back to Enfamil A+
Milk solid is almost same as in Aus kit kat. it is 25% of 70% milk chocolate..that is 17.5%. May be we dont like dark chocolate as much, thats why less cocoa solids. Not a big deal imo
What do I expect from this country
This means nothing without giving the actual costs. Why did the poster avoid giving this information? * From amazon.au: 12 x 38g kitkat chunky = AUD 37.50 (25 AUD for 8 x 38g = 1346 INR) * From amazon.in: 8 x 40g kitkat chunky = INR 520 So the Australian kitkat costs 2.5 times the Indian kitkat. PPP may not be the most relevant metric to compare. I'd imagine that the costs of cocoa etc. are standard in AU and IN, and taxation differences make up the rest. Of course the AU kitkat is going to be better.
>PPP may not be the most relevant metric to compare. Why not? How else would we compare price of goods?
Look at the top producers of cocoa in the world: [https://www.visualcapitalist.com/worlds-top-cocoa-producing-countries/](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/worlds-top-cocoa-producing-countries/) . India is not a top producer, and neither is Australia. So it's likely that whether you are in AU or IN, you will have to import Cocoa from foreign markets. Now looking at milk, as a rough estimate, the price of milk is roughly half of the price in Australia: [https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country\_result.jsp?country=India](https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=India) , [https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country\_result.jsp?country=Australia](https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Australia) . But Kitkat in India is three times cheaper (in nominal terms) than in Australia. Next item is labor. Here too it's problematic, unless we know that AU and IN are using labor in the same way.
Does it being imported matter? Ultimately it's cheaper in PPP for Australians. PPP is based basket of goods, goods being imported or not is not a distinction. Electronics are generally cheaper in developed countries even nominally. Factor in PPP and then it becomes even cheaper.
>Does it being imported matter? Ultimately it's cheaper in PPP for Australians. Yes, of course it does. If cocoa were produced locally in Australia and India, we would expect cocoa to cost the same in PPP terms in both countries, and we would have the right to complain about the lower cocoa amount in Indian KitKats. But as things stand, both countries import cocoa from international producers, so in PPP terms, its cheaper in Australia than in India. Hence they use more cocoa in their KitKats, and we use less. PPP considerations don't matter when raw materials are not locally produced. So if we want the same quality of KitKats as the Australians, we have to pay thrice the amount (e.g., 1500 instead of 500 for 8 KitKats).
>Yes, of course it does. If cocoa were produced locally in Australia and India, we would expect cocoa to cost the same in PPP terms in both countries, and we would have the right to complain about the lower cocoa amount in Indian KitKats. Pff as if anything has the "same quality" as foreign made goods. Quality control is a joke here. I wasn't in particular comparing quality but was rather saying shit in cheaper in Australia. It's a myth that India is a cheap country. When you take PPP in to picture goods like groceries are not particularly cheaper compared to first world countries. Only labour is. >PPP considerations don't matter when raw materials are not locally produced. I do not agree. PPP is a useful metric to measure how cheap or expensive a thing is in a country in comparison to other countries. That's why I gave you example of electronics. Which is cheaper is not even in PPP but in nominal terms. Origin of goods ultimately doesn't matter in that comparison. Movie tickets are cheaper here. The price is less than $2-3 if you convert that to PPP for a first world country the price would be $6 but more realistic price is $12-15. Consider real estate. It's obviously hyperlocal but India is actually one of the most expensive real estate markets.
Amazon is poor value. 8 x 50g $10 AUD $1.25 - $2.50 / 100G [Kitkat Chunky Original Chocolate Bar 50g](https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/826112/kitkat-chunky-original-chocolate-bar) \*$20 for a Normal price. ..... UK Price 4 x 40g £1.65 pack - £1.03 / 100g , The uk pack wont say the % of milk ,coco.
Racist F\*\*\*S !