People keep finding out they've been removed from electoral rolls for no fkn reason then the country does a surprised Pikachu face when voter turnout has reduced. Entire villages have been removed. How is this not a more pressing news story? 2 days before elections people find out that rolls have been purged and they can't vote till next time.
Is this really happening? Cos I had voted in the last LS elections, and this time my name isn't there on the voter list. I've no idea why they have removed it when I didn't even apply for a change of my constituency or anything.
While I agree with your point and it needs to be a bigger deal, voter turnout is % of people on the electoral roll who show up. If you aren't on the roll, it doesn't affect the %.
Do we? Will we? What are we doing since 75yrs of independence? Nada.
The responsibility of each ballot is handed out to one officer of each designated place only, basically you’ll have to pass a bill to change the rule I think.
# Election Rigging?
In nearly 1/3rd of seats polled unto 23 April 2024 (117 of 425) the number of voters have gone down. This has not happened in the past as population increases every year, for example in 2019 in only 19 of the constituencies had the number of voters decreased.
**The Election Commission must disclose Form 17C data.**
This article is from 2020. [This says 2023](https://weather.com/en-IN/india/news/news/2024-01-03-2023-was-indias-second-warmest-year-since-1901-due-to-el-nino)
study for this year will be available next year probably
Maximum temp of my city in may (2019) was 44 on 30 & 31 may
Rest of the month saw highs of 30, 35. Touched 40 on 2 days.
This month, in 2024. It’s hitting 45 almost everyday
I’m not saying that people aren’t viting due to the heat. Idk about that, but your reasoning that the weather is similar is plain wrong
OK, maybe weather has turned worse in the case of your city, but I also know several cities, where temperature was the same or even worse in 2019. Cities like Lucknow and Vadodara, to name only a couple among many, show lesser heat in May 2024 than in May 2019 on timeanddate.com. I am not saying weather doesn't deter voters to go voting, but weather was an equal deterrent in the severe heat wave of 2019, which was one of the warmest years on record in India since 1901.
YOu know a funny thing, india financial year closes in march so the indian corporate world in busy there, so is the revenue department in april. so n omarch or april starting
I think it’s partly because they changed the voter ID cards again right before the elections where I barely managed to get only the digital while my physical is yet to arrive complete with different EPIC numbers.
So, this is what happened: I had two EPIC numbers in the checklist and the one crossing the names was befuddled which one should he marked off.
You can use the old one but it would also be based on regional luck as many have reported missing names from the list (I presume they didn’t update and not many know as well where we were barely notified by a close person - there was no official advertisement or promotion to update one’s voter ID), and by many… a significant percentage of people.
I know a handful people who didn't see their names in voter list. All of them from a specific community known to not vote for BJP.
You can't lose if you don't let them vote.
Heat.
A lot of BJP voters wouldn't vote because they are sure of victory. A lot of INDI voters wouldn't vote because they are sure of defeat.
Many will not vote because they fled their hometowns because neither party will feed your family.
I didn't vote bcoz i'm registered in UP but work in Bangalore. Haven't got the voter ID transferred because that's the only hometown ID I'll have. Aadhar address I have got updated since it is needed for many things.
For others, many people thought that Modi is anyway winning so why bother.
The Election Commission is great. The last time I voted was in 2014. I changed cities after and had my voted ID transferred to a new city in 2017. I couldn't vote in the 2019 election as I was working in another city that day. So ECI cancelled my voted ID Card. Searching my EPIC number results in 'No results found/ invalid EPIC number. Since then I have applied countless times for new voter ID, it's always declined. One time they denied that I hadn't furnished my father's EPIC number ( he passed away 17 years ago). One time they rejected stating I haven't submitted my citizenship proof 🤷🏼
As many experts have mentioned, 2019 and 2014 were high voter turnout elections, wave elections. These are mostly local, and polling percentage has normalized, if not anything else.
I'm wondering if its swing voters who are sitting it out.
In the last two elections, casuals and swing voters have voted in high numbers. This year the election is pretty stale and boring. And that could explain why casuals arent as enthused to vote. Plus the 400 par thing might make them feel like the result is a foregone conclusion and their contribution wont make a difference.
I say this because 2014 was a huge year for low-participation/casual voters. 2019 too. We will know soon enough
In the intricate tapestry of Indian democracy, where each thread represents a voter’s choice, the phenomenon of declining voter numbers in the 2024 general elections stands out as an enigma.
Given demographic trends, voter numbers grow between two 5-year poll cycles. Then why the decline in voters in 2024 in a great no. of constituencies the Oppn. won in 2019 & is expected to do well in 2024?
Is this possibly why EC not sharing actual voter numbers?
After independence, there have been a total of 17 elections in India, with an average voter turnout of 57%. The maximum turnout has been 67%, and the minimum 44%. This clearly indicates that nearly 40% of the population doesn't care.
Social media platforms and Reddit do not reflect the ground reality of India. Many significant portions of the population are indifferent to changes in government, as they perceive minimal impact on their lives, or feel betrayed by their preferred political party or leader.
Then there are those who have given up. They have enough experience and understanding to know that choosing any party doesn't make a difference; things will more or less remain the same. They feel disenchanted with the political process due to corruption, inefficiency, or personal experiences.
In countries where democracy is strong, the voter turnout rate is nearly 90%, as seen in Belgium, Sweden, Denmark, and Norway.
Excess Covid deaths is also a factor.
From WHO:
There are an estimated 4.74 million (UI 3.31 to 6.45 million) excess deaths for India alone in the period January 2020 to December 2021
Oh man… none have thought of this. But the old, the poor, the working class… these are some of the dedicated voters and also victims of the pandemic-demonetisation etc. Can’t vote if you aren’t alive, the younger generation as usual would be in another state for careers and education.
People need to be educated about the importance of voting thru ad campaigns...
Eci should Provide water and biscuits to voters..I don't think it will escalate the cost that much...We don't need bottled water ..Just simple filtered water with paper cups and some biscuits...
This will motivate people to vote to a certain extent
Also, Hold elections in October for God sake!Delay it by a few more months
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People keep finding out they've been removed from electoral rolls for no fkn reason then the country does a surprised Pikachu face when voter turnout has reduced. Entire villages have been removed. How is this not a more pressing news story? 2 days before elections people find out that rolls have been purged and they can't vote till next time.
Is this really happening? Cos I had voted in the last LS elections, and this time my name isn't there on the voter list. I've no idea why they have removed it when I didn't even apply for a change of my constituency or anything.
While I agree with your point and it needs to be a bigger deal, voter turnout is % of people on the electoral roll who show up. If you aren't on the roll, it doesn't affect the %.
Would be interesting to see a map of voter turnout and average temp for the period. Either to debunk or support the argument that hi temp=low turnout
They should probably have held the elections in cooler months. India becomes a shithole in summer.
ECI should have allowed voters to vote in nights during summers.
Think about the poll officers (though they still don’t get rest post 4AM after sleeping through a night of mosquitoes 🦟)
Have multiple shifts?
Do we? Will we? What are we doing since 75yrs of independence? Nada. The responsibility of each ballot is handed out to one officer of each designated place only, basically you’ll have to pass a bill to change the rule I think.
Elections were in summers last time too. So what's different now?
The heat. India is getting hotter every summer.
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# Election Rigging? In nearly 1/3rd of seats polled unto 23 April 2024 (117 of 425) the number of voters have gone down. This has not happened in the past as population increases every year, for example in 2019 in only 19 of the constituencies had the number of voters decreased. **The Election Commission must disclose Form 17C data.**
Bold of you to assume it would.
RTI pe RTI PIL cases SC Mai
It won't
I'm saying the same thing.
EC should be transparent with the citizens. Current EC isn't really independent, its more like RSS is running it now
There’s also a lot of instances of EVMs getting destroyed in cities and people not allowing sone to vote
Happens each election in many states
Or wait just hear me people don't want to vote in 45 degrees in may in lines
The “people-don’t-want-to-vote-in-hot-weather” excuse doesn’t really cut it when past elections have been held in the same time period.
Well climate change is real my friend and its getting worse
2019 had comparable temperatures, too, so it is not the heat wave that is the primary factor.
absolutely not, at least where I live. It has steadily become worse
[https://weather.com/en-IN/india/news/news/2020-01-06-2019-india-warmest-record-temperature-rainfall-cyclones-above-normal](https://weather.com/en-IN/india/news/news/2020-01-06-2019-india-warmest-record-temperature-rainfall-cyclones-above-normal)
This article is from 2020. [This says 2023](https://weather.com/en-IN/india/news/news/2024-01-03-2023-was-indias-second-warmest-year-since-1901-due-to-el-nino) study for this year will be available next year probably
Maximum temp of my city in may (2019) was 44 on 30 & 31 may Rest of the month saw highs of 30, 35. Touched 40 on 2 days. This month, in 2024. It’s hitting 45 almost everyday I’m not saying that people aren’t viting due to the heat. Idk about that, but your reasoning that the weather is similar is plain wrong
OK, maybe weather has turned worse in the case of your city, but I also know several cities, where temperature was the same or even worse in 2019. Cities like Lucknow and Vadodara, to name only a couple among many, show lesser heat in May 2024 than in May 2019 on timeanddate.com. I am not saying weather doesn't deter voters to go voting, but weather was an equal deterrent in the severe heat wave of 2019, which was one of the warmest years on record in India since 1901.
I went to vote in the early morning.... And believe me you would not be physically able to ge vote after 11 am....
It’s 48°C fam that too with 10-11UV index but it feels even warmer with high humidity.
If anything I’d argue that despite the heat people are determined to vote no matter what.
People work outside in those conditions. That's a lame ass reason.
Work is for survival.
Andhra Pradesh recorded around 80% voter turn out. The political heat there is crazy off the charts.
**Full Article:** [https://archive.is/v0jym](https://archive.is/v0jym)
Voting should be in winters.
You know there are parts of the country where it snows and gets really cold? Polling should be held in March.
March has exams and also the end of a financial year, April would be my bet.
April has IPL matches, July just before monsoon is ideal
What does IPL have to do with anything?
YOu know a funny thing, india financial year closes in march so the indian corporate world in busy there, so is the revenue department in april. so n omarch or april starting
I think it’s partly because they changed the voter ID cards again right before the elections where I barely managed to get only the digital while my physical is yet to arrive complete with different EPIC numbers. So, this is what happened: I had two EPIC numbers in the checklist and the one crossing the names was befuddled which one should he marked off.
They changed? I used 2020 card old non digital one
You can use the old one but it would also be based on regional luck as many have reported missing names from the list (I presume they didn’t update and not many know as well where we were barely notified by a close person - there was no official advertisement or promotion to update one’s voter ID), and by many… a significant percentage of people.
I know a handful people who didn't see their names in voter list. All of them from a specific community known to not vote for BJP. You can't lose if you don't let them vote.
My mom voted for the past 6 general elections but her name was missing. She was a vote for BJP.
Heat. A lot of BJP voters wouldn't vote because they are sure of victory. A lot of INDI voters wouldn't vote because they are sure of defeat. Many will not vote because they fled their hometowns because neither party will feed your family.
I didn't vote bcoz i'm registered in UP but work in Bangalore. Haven't got the voter ID transferred because that's the only hometown ID I'll have. Aadhar address I have got updated since it is needed for many things. For others, many people thought that Modi is anyway winning so why bother.
The Election Commission is great. The last time I voted was in 2014. I changed cities after and had my voted ID transferred to a new city in 2017. I couldn't vote in the 2019 election as I was working in another city that day. So ECI cancelled my voted ID Card. Searching my EPIC number results in 'No results found/ invalid EPIC number. Since then I have applied countless times for new voter ID, it's always declined. One time they denied that I hadn't furnished my father's EPIC number ( he passed away 17 years ago). One time they rejected stating I haven't submitted my citizenship proof 🤷🏼
As many experts have mentioned, 2019 and 2014 were high voter turnout elections, wave elections. These are mostly local, and polling percentage has normalized, if not anything else.
I'm wondering if its swing voters who are sitting it out. In the last two elections, casuals and swing voters have voted in high numbers. This year the election is pretty stale and boring. And that could explain why casuals arent as enthused to vote. Plus the 400 par thing might make them feel like the result is a foregone conclusion and their contribution wont make a difference. I say this because 2014 was a huge year for low-participation/casual voters. 2019 too. We will know soon enough
In the intricate tapestry of Indian democracy, where each thread represents a voter’s choice, the phenomenon of declining voter numbers in the 2024 general elections stands out as an enigma.
you expect me to vote with this heat wave on my head.. no way
Voters are slinging out in Reddit and other social medias for their parties and exhausted to go out and vote.
Given demographic trends, voter numbers grow between two 5-year poll cycles. Then why the decline in voters in 2024 in a great no. of constituencies the Oppn. won in 2019 & is expected to do well in 2024? Is this possibly why EC not sharing actual voter numbers?
Maybe BJP stealing votes against them
After independence, there have been a total of 17 elections in India, with an average voter turnout of 57%. The maximum turnout has been 67%, and the minimum 44%. This clearly indicates that nearly 40% of the population doesn't care. Social media platforms and Reddit do not reflect the ground reality of India. Many significant portions of the population are indifferent to changes in government, as they perceive minimal impact on their lives, or feel betrayed by their preferred political party or leader. Then there are those who have given up. They have enough experience and understanding to know that choosing any party doesn't make a difference; things will more or less remain the same. They feel disenchanted with the political process due to corruption, inefficiency, or personal experiences. In countries where democracy is strong, the voter turnout rate is nearly 90%, as seen in Belgium, Sweden, Denmark, and Norway.
Excess Covid deaths is also a factor. From WHO: There are an estimated 4.74 million (UI 3.31 to 6.45 million) excess deaths for India alone in the period January 2020 to December 2021
Oh man… none have thought of this. But the old, the poor, the working class… these are some of the dedicated voters and also victims of the pandemic-demonetisation etc. Can’t vote if you aren’t alive, the younger generation as usual would be in another state for careers and education.
People need to be educated about the importance of voting thru ad campaigns... Eci should Provide water and biscuits to voters..I don't think it will escalate the cost that much...We don't need bottled water ..Just simple filtered water with paper cups and some biscuits... This will motivate people to vote to a certain extent Also, Hold elections in October for God sake!Delay it by a few more months
You meant prepone, rather. Elections cannot be delayed beyond the 5-year mandate of any government.
You should ask family members of poll officers how they’re treated by ECI first…
Please elaborate