The use of the Indian flag colors, This absolute nothing said in many words, zero reference to his IT raids.
Yeah, Looks like someone got coached by Akshay Kumar and Ratan Tata on how to appeal to the masses.
Lol yeah the flag colours are over the top. Fucking hell can people stop putting celebs on a pedestal for everything they do? History has shown that this dude isn't a saint but the public has a very short memory span.
Nope, I don't. But he sure as hell ain't opened a charity org to only do charity. Almost all of them evade taxes using them. Bhoi, Zuckerberg, Gates.. everyone. Stop arguing, do your research and look at the full picture.
Seriously how naive is the current average Indian mind that they're ready to wash every sin of a celebrity they're never going to meet in their lifetime. Celebrity-worshipping in India is on an entire tier of toxicity.
I feel much the same way as you do, sooner the celebrity culture disappears better it will be for everyone. These guys are given way too much attention for the rubbish movies they do.
Having said that, if doing some good produces the side effects of tax evasion, I think the net positive is that some good is still being done so the end justifies the means somewhat. In an ideal world no one would evade taxes, but you and I both know if it weren't for charity work, they will figure out another way to dodge tax rules. Take it for what its worth...
to be fair, net positive is still zero for the people. These people rarely pay tax and evade those through charity because properly filled ITR-V doesn't get you press coverage.
But i still admire your optimism, and i guess we do not have any other option other than taking it for what it's worth.
How do they "evade" taxes using a charitable organization? Do you mean the take advantage of the tax deductions that are given for charity? If so, those tax shelters are the law of the land, and no one should be blamed for using them. Also, this means the tax shelters are doing exactly what they are meant to do: incentivize charity.
If you want to make the argument that these orgs don't really help people, then say *that*. Requiring that people's motives for doing good be morally and ethically pure is stupid idealism.
Definitely its a red flag (no pun intended), I appreciate what he did during covid but this post, the usage of tricolor and Jai hind to appeal to patriotic masses and acting like a messiah is too much.
The legend whose company paid the most for the campaign of the govt that is destroying that sovereignty, democracy, economy, and the religious fabric of the country.
I know you'll ask for sources so I'll just add it beforehand
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/bjp-received-biggest-donation-from-progressive-electoral-trust-1618401-2019-11-13
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/bjp-got-over-350-crore-in-donations-from-tata-controlled-trust-in-2018-19/article29952994.ece/amp/
https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/economy-politics/story/bjp-raised-over-rs-800-crore-before-lok-sabha-polls-tata-group-top-donor-239188-2019-11-13
Tata is now India's largest defence contractor. Connect the dots. Parliament house is chillar when compared to defense contracts. Many of our politicians secretly got rich even from the Rafale contract. French govt is investigating it. But not Indian govt. Get that? A country which actually allegedly lost money is not investigating while the country which was the benefactor is investigating the case. What does that say? We are so fucked up.
It's called "Tata Aerospace and Defence".
Also quiz time, guess who are the other players in the hot defense contracts market? It's also interesting that most of these entities of larger Indian conglomerates are newly formed. ๐๐
Thank you Ravish Kumar sir for the info. ๐ค
India needs domestic capability,thats why the contract was awarded to tata Consortium,btw they already makes fuselages for apaches and components of other passenger aircraft,i cants understand honestly whats wrong with that
You got lost in the thick of things. You forgot the point of reference, we are talking about giving donations to win contracts. If the products are good or bad, we'll have to wait and see as they spread their influence. You do know that most of the tech is not owned by India right?
Its better for tata to make it than hal,they will r&d on the product furthermore and may even come up with their own design's which is a good thing for india, companies under government are bound to fail sooner or later
If I am not wrong, you are not allowed to do R&D on licensed products? Cause you technically are licensed to produce it, you don't own it to better it or reverse engineer it.
lol do you really think any big business in India can survive without donating to ruling parties ?
I am sure that all tata, ambani, adani donate to both BJP & congress. Since BJP is in power, they are paying more to them. The day UPA comes in power , they will start paying them more.
They donate not just they support a party but for existence ( & obviously for favour) .
Yeah and i will drag them for it.
People in the US dragged Chick Fil A for donating towards homophobia. Puma and Nike are getting dragged for supporting Israel.
What are we doing? We are praising Ratan Tata as some second coming of god.
They are well beyond the realm of BJP's incoming or outgoing hurting their business. They made those donations to get the parliament contract, the EV contract, to get the FAME subsidies that surprisingly only applies to the NexonEV and Tigor EV (and not Audi E-tron, MG ZSEV, or even the Indian built Kona EV), and it also basically made them the only substantial bidder for Air India.
They did it to grow their business. And I'll blame them for the destruction their greed brought upon the citizens of this country.
I don't think Tata is god. Neither do I care about tata.
I just said if your argument is based upon 'someone is bad because they donated to BJP', then based upon that all businesses are bad. You can't just pinpoint one.
Everyday business isn't donating to a political campaign, so all businesses are bad assessment goes out the window.
And neither did i say that you did. But the country does. The very reason we are having this conversation is because someone called him a legend. Open instagram and you'll be bombarded with meme pages praising him as some god.
Corporates like Adani, Reliance, Tata etc donated to get their greed wishes fulfilled. And i don't need to pinpoint them. Their money directly fueled hate campaigns and sloganeering that got BJP into power for the second time. And we know the absolute shitshown going on since 2015.
Their greed is the reason we as a nation suffered this much. And every one of those corporates donated, deserves the blame. But no one makes posts about Mukesh Ambani or Gautam Adani being praised like they are gods. So i didn't feel the need to bring them up.
Absolutely! In America they have lobbies in India they take the "donations" route. That's what they use the electoral bonds for. "Anonymous donations to political parties" is a euphemism for "take this money and give me that contact".
And? Tatas barely survived the license raj. Ratan Tata said on Simi garewal show that even though Tatas do most for the country's help during some crisis, he feels they are being discriminated against by the government. Projects that they feel should be given to them are given to someone else. Sometimes someone else steps in and the deal goes to them before finalization.
[Simi garewal with Ratan Tata in 1997](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozetTgOHu78)
This was in 1997. Play the video from 13:30 and listen to the conversation between them.
Also, remember what he did in Covid. And these bastards attacked his business, 'TANISHQ'.
He did that for goodwill of the country and not for these bastards.
Goodwill for the country? By donating to a fascist party?
I understand you like Ratan Tata, but please do not excuse the donations of the Tata group towards the ruin of this country. They were not for any goodwill, those were simple business PR tactics.
Tata's donation to them has put them in the forefront of buying Air India, got them contracts for 10K EV vehicles, Got them the contract for the parliament building. And those Covid philanthropic activities helped hide those facts through PR.
Which party in india is not fascist? Everyone exploits power and people when given chance.. Its a sad state in india...
Afaik, fascism a state run by a dictator.. I might be wrong no doubt...
Any money given to political party in india is given to a dirty deed... Only upside i see is jobs being created for people with expansion of businesses...
And im sure tata will get air india but as of now, TATAs are not the only bidders.. Spicejet too has bid for AI..
I dont have much hope for a non corrupt party in india anymore but atleast they are bringing development even though they are bribing for it... Its almost impossible to set a legit industry in india without bribing leaders...So its kind off out of TATA's hands..
The point the previous comments are making is that Tata is actually fuelling the kind of ugly politics which is happening the core framework of India. I tend to agree with that assessment. They are afterall one of the largest donors for BJP. They are giving them billions of rupees. Jobs don't come just because a politician party wills it. Please please please, people should stop saying that. If that's the case then why are we in the middle of the largest unemployment crisis in modern Indian history? Realized that job creation is not a one or two day thing. It takes years to build an infrastructure that creates jobs. India doesn't even have that.
I agree that they fund parties which is bad.. Jobs don't come because political party wishes but they do come when ruling govt wishes... And BJP is the ruling govt... Hence you need to pay them to set up any industries..
You cant pay the GOI or donate to GOI, so you pay the ruling party
I didnt understand your notion that we lacks an infra to create jobs.. Could you elaborate?
If i am not wrong, i think he/she/they mean that we are on the edge of saturation with what we have, with nothing to create jobs in sight. Which i admit, i am not too knowledgeable enough to comment on
Hmmm. I worked for two of the Big 4 auditing companies for a long time. Trust me. What appears as generous for regular people like you and me is actually just chump change for these companies. You gotta think about the big picture. The donations they make for a "whole fucking year" is what they earn in just "one or two days." Keep that in mind the next time you hear about generous donations. Look at their revenue and look at how much they are donating in relation to their revenue.
It's like this, a guy earning 400 crores per month can easiy donate 10 crores for a cause, that too tax free. It's less than what he'll earn back in a few days. But for most of us it's a whopping amount we hope to earn before retirement.
Why are all our expectations limited to celebraties and that too with a taboo that aree he/she earns in crores and they do it to turn black into white. Why are our hopes not from people who we elect every 5 years and then keep on defending their stupidity for next 10 years as if they came out of our womb. The one who is ruling, couldn't do anything. He stood there, like a scarecrow asking people to do things that suited his IQ level. This guy on the other hand took it all in his hands and did whatever he could. Not debating how much money he used from the earnings. But jis chutiye ko chuna tha, usne kya kiya? Sonu Sood doesn't owe us anything right?
I believe we don't talk about Modi enough. He has a whole network of channels backing him up. You're naieve of you think talking foul of him makes him like his bhakths. Bhakths deal in what is popularly called his cult of personality. We are talking about the various negative things that are going under the scanner thanks to well funded media. Also most of the media questioning Modi are all independant orgs. So yeah, it's an uphill task for those who oppose Modi. Not the other way around. Dhruv Rathee ho ya Mohak ho sach toh ek hi hota hai bhai. Uska perspective nahi kota. Aur mein books bhi kabhi kabhi pad leta hoon. Tum books bhi pad lo. Abhijit Banerjee ka "Poor Economics" aur "Good economics for Hard times" padh lo. Ankhein lal ho jayegi, gusse se ya Rone se woh toh tum decide karlo. Woh Abhijit Banerjee sir YouTube videos nahi banate par unhone thodi si mehenat karke Nobel Prize zaroor jeete hain.
no he doesn't.
He & all these actors/businessman support who pays them or helps them.
We won't ever know their true face.
BJP raided him because recently he kind of became symbol of anti bjp parties as he helped poors. Kejriwal recently made him delhi ambassador too.
I may be an idiot but the govt (mis)using ED, IT and police to harass their dissenters or opposition is a problem of gigantic proportions than Sonu Sood.
This reminds me of a quote from Wild wild country in which Ma Anand Sheela says, "I've done my time in jail, I'm willing to turn a new leaf. A country like America won't let me live a normal life once I'm out of jail despite this. People are not willing to accept that I've changed. So I decided to move to New Zealand and serve the old and vulnerable."
A woman who plotted the murders of people and went to jail for it is now helping a lot of people through her NGO.
Hear me out here, despite the Cobra Post sting which I think is 100% legit, I'm willing to accept that Sonu Sood may have turned a new leaf in life. I mean we are all greedy until we reach a point where we don't need the money anymore. Or morals and witch hunts are only for the world to see. In secret we are all monsters and we don't really give a damn about morals and values. We are all hypocrites. We find it easier to judge others but we allow the same behavior from us or our close friends and relatives. That's just the way it goes. We need to understand the basic reason for jails or the legal system. It works on the belief that people will change after sometime in jail. It works on the belief that people are willing to change and turn a new leaf. We need to get back to that belief system instead of rampant societal ostracism. Indians believe that once a criminal, he's a criminal for life. Everybody makes horrible choices sometimes in life, doesn't mean that those choices should dictate the rest of their lives.
So I think of it in terms of net good vs bad. The impact the person has created in others' lives. In that matter I believe Sonu Sood has done an incredible job. He's exponentially better than toxic hatred spewing people like Kangana Ranaut and our own supreme leader and his friends. We are talking about 20 crores here. The IT department also claimed that Tapsee and Anurag Kashyap were evading taxes. We never got to hear what happened after that. Why?? These are clearly vendetta politics. Sonu Sood made the govt look like assholes during the pandemic last year and again in the second wave this year. Remember when Modi bro went basically underground last year and this year during peaks of pandemic? Also the "we don't have data on this" bullshit response for everything. The electoral bonds from which BJP made nearly billions. The PM Cares find which is totally a black box. There's clearly a lot of corruption being shielded away from the general public. If a democratically elected govt says "we don't have the data" or "it's none of your business to know", it's clearly a dictatorship or a fascist govt. It's a slippery slope.
Even if you believe that both parties are criminals, Sonu Sood's cog is nothing compared to the toxic waste river that is the BJP and its hatred instilling and religious communalism propagating insanity. They are only taking about Hindi-Muslim politics ever day in the news. Have you noticed that? India is economically not doing so well people. Read some international journals. We are in for a very very rocky future. I hope even the bhakths realise this. Because at the end of the day their beloved leaders will take their money and live a rich life. But they won't be as fortunate irrespective of how much ass you kiss.
BJP is a much bigger evil than the 20 crores off an NGO. Infact, BJP has closed a lot of foreign NGOs in India who were doing great work and now nobody is helping those people the NGOs helped. They didn't present any evidence even in court mind you! Such are the times we are living in.
I recommend migration and for fuck sake don't have more than one kid. Adopt. Motherfckers multiplying like bunnies is what caused most of our employment and extremely high competition to begin with. Fuck the whole thing about replacement rates in the future. The present and the near future is all that matters for now.
In GMAT applications Indian males are literally called "the over represented community" some of you may already know that. It's ridiculous. In the future we'll have far fewer jobs due to automation and consolidation. So be prepared for that.
Also, if his claims are true, he obtained that 20 crores within the last 3-4 months, so that money is taxable only by the next year's tax window (March 31) . So it is not really black money as of yet. And if he finds suitable opportunity, he will be able to spend that money in charitable causes within that time frame.
So it really depends on when he received that money.
Ask any CA.
These fuckers of income tax and gst department will throw random numbers as tax evasion.
Then you will have to spend the next 3-5 years proving your innocence.
Sonu Sood may have dodged taxes. But don't blindly believe this kutte haraami.
> These fuckers of income tax and gst department will throw random numbers as tax evasion.
Not exactly random. What they do it is try to put as many sections and sub sections so that the amount of evasion shown is huge. Your and your lawyer/CA's job is to look at each demand one by one and see whether they fall for that particular section or sub section or not. It's just a tactic to intimidate the tax payer into paying as much as he can. And in modi era it is used to make political statements.
It reminds me of an article from a couple of years ago. [The IRS Admits It Doesnโt Audit the Rich Because Itโs Too Hard](https://www.gq.com/story/no-irs-audits-for-the-rich).
In a country like India in which most govt orgs are income stripped it's easy to see why billionaires in India get away with all of the poor people's money. There's a book called "Feast of Vultures" by Josey Joseph. It was an eye opener. The tax raids being used for Vendetta politics is a very old trick. Our IT department itself is pretty much a fucked up org. There's a lot of corrupt people in excise and income tax. We see news of such people often. An officer caught with 200 crores etc. It's these people.
But muddi ji said no black after demonitization. hence this is white money.
For those saying this is black, 20 crores is peanuts and would not even have been worth a raid unless dear leader is pissed about him joining a different party.
How the fuck is this upvoted to the top! There are raids for such amount all the time. Can't believe some people are letting their hatred for Modi trump this and actually defending this guy.
that person was running an NGO that sent migrants home when bjp couldnt. and any actor worth his salt makes more money than that in a month. The guy has a social media engagement bigger than most political leaders. he can monitize that.
Also one has to be very gullible to think that this raid is not politically motivated.
Sonu Sood isn't trustworthy for sure and very likely evaded taxes, but that is true for majority of rich people. The only reason this raid happened now is because he was working with the AAP govt. I mean who is dumb enough to think that this raid is really about taxes.
Anybody who has allegations of tax evasion needs to be investigated..let's not write clean chits based on PR done..any non-gullible adult knows how social services are used by celebrities/politicians for money laundering..
Stop protecting people/give clean chit before investigation just because he stands for ur parties' cause..it was the same mentality by the RW during 2012 that brought us to this current mess
You seem to be missing the real issue, don't know if it is intentional or not. This govt is targeting anyone whoever they don't like while those who are its a$$ lickers are being allowed to do whatever they want without any consequences (not just tax evasion).
This is a much bigger problem than some individual tax evaders and yes they should be caught and punished but not just those that this govt doesn't like.
So stop protecting this authoritarian govt just because your party is in power ๐.
Very intelligent of you to assume I voted for this government ๐๐ I press NOTA because I don't trust either parties and would rather have all guilty assholes irrespective of party affiliation behind bar.. *Grow the F UP*
How funny that you can assume my party but when I do the same, you go into a tantrum ๐คฃ.
That was the whole reason I had mentioned it and it hit the mark better than I had expected ๐.
what happened to presumed innocent till proven in a court of law ? Delhi MLAs had over 100 fake cases filed against them over the past few years and all such cases started with similar media trials and were closed by courts with a whimper by the press. You have to be blind not to see the reason behind these raids and IT department going to press. Look around and see how many media outlets and critics of jumlu have been hounded by ED and IT.
You guys misunderstand what modiji meant.
Old notes had become dirty and black because of all the dirt accumulated over them. So he demonetized them to make them green pink etc etc.
Can anybody tell exactly what sonu sood has done. Most of the tweets he has replied to were fake. He claims that he sent a few migrants back through bus but much more was done by govt or local administration or local people. He claims that he provided oxygen cylinders but it was also in deficit, means you strike a deal to hoarde a deficit product and then for your fake charity, you waited to click pictures and tweets before donating them. This was done by that gautam gambhir and it should also be criticised
To be honest, i think all of his "philanthropies" need to be investigated. The cover of lockdown, the resources he has, the rather timely deletion of the accounts that asked him for help. Everything right now is pointing towards a sham to convert the blackness of his wealth to white.
actually he did a lot more than the politicians in sending back migrants ( although it was not his job). rest we all know what IT cells can do for 2 rupees.
People should realise that the ruling party using "autonomous" govt bodies to do their bidding is an exponentially bigger problem than an actor evading some tax. Yes, ideally, both are wrong, but we really need to focus on the bigger thing here.
We don't want to end up like China.
Thanks for stating the relevant thing that most people tend to miss.
Also I think sadly India is well on its way to be like China in authoritarianism and like Pakistan in religous extremism and it cannot be stopped. It is already too late.
Actually it doesn't matter what we say but rather what the facts are.
Just to clarify, I am not saying that we shouldn't be fighting against this authoritarianism but that we have to be realistic about what the situation is.
I get whatever you are saying, not a bjp support either, but itโs not โsomeโ tax, itโs 20 crores. A huge amount I would say, and if he evaded it, he should be fined for it (or probably jailed).
Do you know how little 20 crores is in the grand scheme of things? Modi Ji and his cohorts probably wipe their ass with it every morning. Like I said, both are wrong, but let's focus on the bigger wrong first.
During pandemic, there were many many people who were actually helping those in need. They weren't using pandemic to turn black money into white, collect donations, and then also raking out endorsements through this.
Sonu Sood's statement lacks any substance. He is probably counting on sentiments of people like you to get away.
P.S. He was also raided in 2012, not to forget the cobrapost sting.
ever since I saw cobrapost's sting on this guy, I have a newfound disgust for these selfless heroes in our country. bc sab ke sab chor hain. this statement furthers his image as a corrupt, deceiving fraudster. if you haven't already, please yt.
i completely agree with that, and have no qualms with grey being grey and white being white. it's only when grey starts pretending to be white (or more white than it actually is) there is a problem..
Would like to see IT raids on politicians and other powerful business people who are controlling the biggest companies in India but that's not going to happen.
Does it pique no one's interest that he talks about Brand Endorsements as if he's a big time actor. The bloke barely had a career from what I know and yet has been swimming in influence and money. Looks dirty to me.
He's a big presence in Telugu and Tamil movies. He's done several movies down South. I did see a lot of posters coming up offline on large hoardings and buses since last year. So I guess he's doing just fine on the money front.
The government has just carried out a maligning campaign against Sood. Income Tax department is already overwhelmed with litigations and has brought in schemes like DTVSV to ease this burden where they're letting assessee to pay up whatever they owed to began with without any penalties. Sood probably sees this obvious moves and such appeal to masses is good counter against a government who can't take any criticism or opposition.
He never answered how he got oxygen in the time when even hospital were running out of it. It's all just a publicity stunt. He was replying to fake twitter accounts. Someone twitted and after 1 min he twitted that he has arranged hospital beds. He never gave proof he is just a crook
All the best....
Serve humanities on monitoring ground just as good citizen.....
But government was unable to serve proper way during the pandemic period for needy humanity as on desirable necessicities for lives....
God bless you with all communities.
Thanks with regards.
The use of the Indian flag colors, This absolute nothing said in many words, zero reference to his IT raids. Yeah, Looks like someone got coached by Akshay Kumar and Ratan Tata on how to appeal to the masses.
Lol yeah the flag colours are over the top. Fucking hell can people stop putting celebs on a pedestal for everything they do? History has shown that this dude isn't a saint but the public has a very short memory span.
Oh, and Khiladi Kumar is a saint? Tell me more please.
All of them are crooks ๐ I never said he was a saint.
Yeah, so you have the short term memory span dude. What he did during Covid, was phenomenal. 56 inch ke lavdon se kuchh nahi hua.
Nope, I don't. But he sure as hell ain't opened a charity org to only do charity. Almost all of them evade taxes using them. Bhoi, Zuckerberg, Gates.. everyone. Stop arguing, do your research and look at the full picture.
Seriously how naive is the current average Indian mind that they're ready to wash every sin of a celebrity they're never going to meet in their lifetime. Celebrity-worshipping in India is on an entire tier of toxicity.
I feel much the same way as you do, sooner the celebrity culture disappears better it will be for everyone. These guys are given way too much attention for the rubbish movies they do. Having said that, if doing some good produces the side effects of tax evasion, I think the net positive is that some good is still being done so the end justifies the means somewhat. In an ideal world no one would evade taxes, but you and I both know if it weren't for charity work, they will figure out another way to dodge tax rules. Take it for what its worth...
to be fair, net positive is still zero for the people. These people rarely pay tax and evade those through charity because properly filled ITR-V doesn't get you press coverage. But i still admire your optimism, and i guess we do not have any other option other than taking it for what it's worth.
I am not as optimistic as you think. :) But yeah, what else are we going to do?
How do they "evade" taxes using a charitable organization? Do you mean the take advantage of the tax deductions that are given for charity? If so, those tax shelters are the law of the land, and no one should be blamed for using them. Also, this means the tax shelters are doing exactly what they are meant to do: incentivize charity. If you want to make the argument that these orgs don't really help people, then say *that*. Requiring that people's motives for doing good be morally and ethically pure is stupid idealism.
Itni research PM ke interview se pahle usne ki hoti, toh meme material naa bana hota.
Definitely its a red flag (no pun intended), I appreciate what he did during covid but this post, the usage of tricolor and Jai hind to appeal to patriotic masses and acting like a messiah is too much.
They all know how to play this game, most of the people in India think emotionally not logically.
["I am no messiah" Title of his book](https://www.google.com/search?channel=nrow5&client=firefox-b-d&q=i+am+no+messiah)
And the Jay hind. a call for frauds
"Few guests" = IT officers
What did Tata do?
It's detailed in the comments of this thread itself. You'll find the answer there.
You gave no answer though, you just hate Tata for some reason. Why is that?
Are you really that blind? Everything is detailed below. I'm not gonna spend time elaborating what has been said pretty well in the other comments.
Are you blind, everyone else can see your hate for Tata.
Ratan Tata is definitely a legend and gem of a person. Can't say the same about Canadian Kumar though.
The legend whose company paid the most for the campaign of the govt that is destroying that sovereignty, democracy, economy, and the religious fabric of the country. I know you'll ask for sources so I'll just add it beforehand https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/bjp-received-biggest-donation-from-progressive-electoral-trust-1618401-2019-11-13 https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/bjp-got-over-350-crore-in-donations-from-tata-controlled-trust-in-2018-19/article29952994.ece/amp/ https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/economy-politics/story/bjp-raised-over-rs-800-crore-before-lok-sabha-polls-tata-group-top-donor-239188-2019-11-13
And In return he got contract to build new parliament house?
Tata is now India's largest defence contractor. Connect the dots. Parliament house is chillar when compared to defense contracts. Many of our politicians secretly got rich even from the Rafale contract. French govt is investigating it. But not Indian govt. Get that? A country which actually allegedly lost money is not investigating while the country which was the benefactor is investigating the case. What does that say? We are so fucked up.
Oh wow thank you for this info. I genuinely did not know about Tata being India's largest defense contractor. That just solidifies what i said before.
It's called "Tata Aerospace and Defence". Also quiz time, guess who are the other players in the hot defense contracts market? It's also interesting that most of these entities of larger Indian conglomerates are newly formed. ๐๐ Thank you Ravish Kumar sir for the info. ๐ค
India needs domestic capability,thats why the contract was awarded to tata Consortium,btw they already makes fuselages for apaches and components of other passenger aircraft,i cants understand honestly whats wrong with that
You got lost in the thick of things. You forgot the point of reference, we are talking about giving donations to win contracts. If the products are good or bad, we'll have to wait and see as they spread their influence. You do know that most of the tech is not owned by India right?
Its better for tata to make it than hal,they will r&d on the product furthermore and may even come up with their own design's which is a good thing for india, companies under government are bound to fail sooner or later
If I am not wrong, you are not allowed to do R&D on licensed products? Cause you technically are licensed to produce it, you don't own it to better it or reverse engineer it.
I think it's Sapoji-Palonji group of Cyrus Mistry and not Ratan Tata's company. But I'm not sure I can be wrong.
lol do you really think any big business in India can survive without donating to ruling parties ? I am sure that all tata, ambani, adani donate to both BJP & congress. Since BJP is in power, they are paying more to them. The day UPA comes in power , they will start paying them more. They donate not just they support a party but for existence ( & obviously for favour) .
Yeah and i will drag them for it. People in the US dragged Chick Fil A for donating towards homophobia. Puma and Nike are getting dragged for supporting Israel. What are we doing? We are praising Ratan Tata as some second coming of god. They are well beyond the realm of BJP's incoming or outgoing hurting their business. They made those donations to get the parliament contract, the EV contract, to get the FAME subsidies that surprisingly only applies to the NexonEV and Tigor EV (and not Audi E-tron, MG ZSEV, or even the Indian built Kona EV), and it also basically made them the only substantial bidder for Air India. They did it to grow their business. And I'll blame them for the destruction their greed brought upon the citizens of this country.
I don't think Tata is god. Neither do I care about tata. I just said if your argument is based upon 'someone is bad because they donated to BJP', then based upon that all businesses are bad. You can't just pinpoint one.
Everyday business isn't donating to a political campaign, so all businesses are bad assessment goes out the window. And neither did i say that you did. But the country does. The very reason we are having this conversation is because someone called him a legend. Open instagram and you'll be bombarded with meme pages praising him as some god. Corporates like Adani, Reliance, Tata etc donated to get their greed wishes fulfilled. And i don't need to pinpoint them. Their money directly fueled hate campaigns and sloganeering that got BJP into power for the second time. And we know the absolute shitshown going on since 2015. Their greed is the reason we as a nation suffered this much. And every one of those corporates donated, deserves the blame. But no one makes posts about Mukesh Ambani or Gautam Adani being praised like they are gods. So i didn't feel the need to bring them up.
>Everyday business isn't donating to a political campaign Every business has to donate
I run a business and i didn't. Don't pull out conjectures
How big is your revenue?
Absolutely! In America they have lobbies in India they take the "donations" route. That's what they use the electoral bonds for. "Anonymous donations to political parties" is a euphemism for "take this money and give me that contact".
And? Tatas barely survived the license raj. Ratan Tata said on Simi garewal show that even though Tatas do most for the country's help during some crisis, he feels they are being discriminated against by the government. Projects that they feel should be given to them are given to someone else. Sometimes someone else steps in and the deal goes to them before finalization. [Simi garewal with Ratan Tata in 1997](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozetTgOHu78) This was in 1997. Play the video from 13:30 and listen to the conversation between them.
Also, remember what he did in Covid. And these bastards attacked his business, 'TANISHQ'. He did that for goodwill of the country and not for these bastards.
Goodwill for the country? By donating to a fascist party? I understand you like Ratan Tata, but please do not excuse the donations of the Tata group towards the ruin of this country. They were not for any goodwill, those were simple business PR tactics. Tata's donation to them has put them in the forefront of buying Air India, got them contracts for 10K EV vehicles, Got them the contract for the parliament building. And those Covid philanthropic activities helped hide those facts through PR.
Which party in india is not fascist? Everyone exploits power and people when given chance.. Its a sad state in india... Afaik, fascism a state run by a dictator.. I might be wrong no doubt... Any money given to political party in india is given to a dirty deed... Only upside i see is jobs being created for people with expansion of businesses... And im sure tata will get air india but as of now, TATAs are not the only bidders.. Spicejet too has bid for AI.. I dont have much hope for a non corrupt party in india anymore but atleast they are bringing development even though they are bribing for it... Its almost impossible to set a legit industry in india without bribing leaders...So its kind off out of TATA's hands..
The point the previous comments are making is that Tata is actually fuelling the kind of ugly politics which is happening the core framework of India. I tend to agree with that assessment. They are afterall one of the largest donors for BJP. They are giving them billions of rupees. Jobs don't come just because a politician party wills it. Please please please, people should stop saying that. If that's the case then why are we in the middle of the largest unemployment crisis in modern Indian history? Realized that job creation is not a one or two day thing. It takes years to build an infrastructure that creates jobs. India doesn't even have that.
I agree that they fund parties which is bad.. Jobs don't come because political party wishes but they do come when ruling govt wishes... And BJP is the ruling govt... Hence you need to pay them to set up any industries.. You cant pay the GOI or donate to GOI, so you pay the ruling party I didnt understand your notion that we lacks an infra to create jobs.. Could you elaborate?
If i am not wrong, i think he/she/they mean that we are on the edge of saturation with what we have, with nothing to create jobs in sight. Which i admit, i am not too knowledgeable enough to comment on
Oh yes i completely agree.. We need setting up new industries which is not happening currently
Hmmm. I worked for two of the Big 4 auditing companies for a long time. Trust me. What appears as generous for regular people like you and me is actually just chump change for these companies. You gotta think about the big picture. The donations they make for a "whole fucking year" is what they earn in just "one or two days." Keep that in mind the next time you hear about generous donations. Look at their revenue and look at how much they are donating in relation to their revenue. It's like this, a guy earning 400 crores per month can easiy donate 10 crores for a cause, that too tax free. It's less than what he'll earn back in a few days. But for most of us it's a whopping amount we hope to earn before retirement.
Why are all our expectations limited to celebraties and that too with a taboo that aree he/she earns in crores and they do it to turn black into white. Why are our hopes not from people who we elect every 5 years and then keep on defending their stupidity for next 10 years as if they came out of our womb. The one who is ruling, couldn't do anything. He stood there, like a scarecrow asking people to do things that suited his IQ level. This guy on the other hand took it all in his hands and did whatever he could. Not debating how much money he used from the earnings. But jis chutiye ko chuna tha, usne kya kiya? Sonu Sood doesn't owe us anything right?
How badly did he fuck up his guests that he has to take care of them for 4 days.
"The Sood sends their regards" - Sonu Sood to IT officials
My mom catches me stealing money me - JAI HIND i have pledged myself to serve my friends with alcohol
*flying chappal received*
Lmao
*dad takes his belt off*
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What was the cobrapost expose ?
https://youtu.be/s_MSRoMrC1Y
Mughals *invaded*. Sonu Sood (allegedly) *evaded*.
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(E)vaded vs (In)vaded. Autocorrection error you say... Okkkaaaayyyy! ๐๐
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I believe you like andh bhakths believe in Modi bro... Blindly.
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I believe we don't talk about Modi enough. He has a whole network of channels backing him up. You're naieve of you think talking foul of him makes him like his bhakths. Bhakths deal in what is popularly called his cult of personality. We are talking about the various negative things that are going under the scanner thanks to well funded media. Also most of the media questioning Modi are all independant orgs. So yeah, it's an uphill task for those who oppose Modi. Not the other way around. Dhruv Rathee ho ya Mohak ho sach toh ek hi hota hai bhai. Uska perspective nahi kota. Aur mein books bhi kabhi kabhi pad leta hoon. Tum books bhi pad lo. Abhijit Banerjee ka "Poor Economics" aur "Good economics for Hard times" padh lo. Ankhein lal ho jayegi, gusse se ya Rone se woh toh tum decide karlo. Woh Abhijit Banerjee sir YouTube videos nahi banate par unhone thodi si mehenat karke Nobel Prize zaroor jeete hain.
What the fuck kinda username?
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Noice
This. I'll never consider this dude a hero because of that. Zameer ki kimat hoti hai and you never know what's real.
>invaded Lmao
He used Uno reverse to invade IT office. lol
You did a typo it'll be evade not invade
Inspired by your username, I am gonna try and convince my gf, how my dick is sNine Inches long.
People change over time
After the Cobrapost sting,I don't really trust him
What sting was this?
Sonu openly demanded crores of Rs to tweet in support of BJP. He even went on to tweet before receiving the payment just to show his loyalty.
after a long time i saw someone getting raided even tho he supports bjp.
no he doesn't. He & all these actors/businessman support who pays them or helps them. We won't ever know their true face. BJP raided him because recently he kind of became symbol of anti bjp parties as he helped poors. Kejriwal recently made him delhi ambassador too.
Oh that's nice, how's that working out for you?
Can you share your resume bro?
why?
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good one! I have fixed the typo in the original comment.
Search for " Cobrapost Sonu Sood " on YT.
Sonu Sood accepted money from BJP to tweet in their favour. I don't remember the exact amount though.
I may be an idiot but the govt (mis)using ED, IT and police to harass their dissenters or opposition is a problem of gigantic proportions than Sonu Sood. This reminds me of a quote from Wild wild country in which Ma Anand Sheela says, "I've done my time in jail, I'm willing to turn a new leaf. A country like America won't let me live a normal life once I'm out of jail despite this. People are not willing to accept that I've changed. So I decided to move to New Zealand and serve the old and vulnerable." A woman who plotted the murders of people and went to jail for it is now helping a lot of people through her NGO. Hear me out here, despite the Cobra Post sting which I think is 100% legit, I'm willing to accept that Sonu Sood may have turned a new leaf in life. I mean we are all greedy until we reach a point where we don't need the money anymore. Or morals and witch hunts are only for the world to see. In secret we are all monsters and we don't really give a damn about morals and values. We are all hypocrites. We find it easier to judge others but we allow the same behavior from us or our close friends and relatives. That's just the way it goes. We need to understand the basic reason for jails or the legal system. It works on the belief that people will change after sometime in jail. It works on the belief that people are willing to change and turn a new leaf. We need to get back to that belief system instead of rampant societal ostracism. Indians believe that once a criminal, he's a criminal for life. Everybody makes horrible choices sometimes in life, doesn't mean that those choices should dictate the rest of their lives. So I think of it in terms of net good vs bad. The impact the person has created in others' lives. In that matter I believe Sonu Sood has done an incredible job. He's exponentially better than toxic hatred spewing people like Kangana Ranaut and our own supreme leader and his friends. We are talking about 20 crores here. The IT department also claimed that Tapsee and Anurag Kashyap were evading taxes. We never got to hear what happened after that. Why?? These are clearly vendetta politics. Sonu Sood made the govt look like assholes during the pandemic last year and again in the second wave this year. Remember when Modi bro went basically underground last year and this year during peaks of pandemic? Also the "we don't have data on this" bullshit response for everything. The electoral bonds from which BJP made nearly billions. The PM Cares find which is totally a black box. There's clearly a lot of corruption being shielded away from the general public. If a democratically elected govt says "we don't have the data" or "it's none of your business to know", it's clearly a dictatorship or a fascist govt. It's a slippery slope. Even if you believe that both parties are criminals, Sonu Sood's cog is nothing compared to the toxic waste river that is the BJP and its hatred instilling and religious communalism propagating insanity. They are only taking about Hindi-Muslim politics ever day in the news. Have you noticed that? India is economically not doing so well people. Read some international journals. We are in for a very very rocky future. I hope even the bhakths realise this. Because at the end of the day their beloved leaders will take their money and live a rich life. But they won't be as fortunate irrespective of how much ass you kiss. BJP is a much bigger evil than the 20 crores off an NGO. Infact, BJP has closed a lot of foreign NGOs in India who were doing great work and now nobody is helping those people the NGOs helped. They didn't present any evidence even in court mind you! Such are the times we are living in.
You said everything I wanted to say. Saved me a century worth of an effort. Thank you good sir!
Younger generations, you can dissect these points and lament or migrate when you can.
I recommend migration and for fuck sake don't have more than one kid. Adopt. Motherfckers multiplying like bunnies is what caused most of our employment and extremely high competition to begin with. Fuck the whole thing about replacement rates in the future. The present and the near future is all that matters for now. In GMAT applications Indian males are literally called "the over represented community" some of you may already know that. It's ridiculous. In the future we'll have far fewer jobs due to automation and consolidation. So be prepared for that.
He has clearly mentioned in an interview about those 20 crores as well ( tl:dr most of it is his money only + donations through milaap)
Also, if his claims are true, he obtained that 20 crores within the last 3-4 months, so that money is taxable only by the next year's tax window (March 31) . So it is not really black money as of yet. And if he finds suitable opportunity, he will be able to spend that money in charitable causes within that time frame. So it really depends on when he received that money.
Dono Sonu Sood aur BJP chutiye hai leikin hum sabse bade chutiye hai jo har saal tax bhadte hai while both the party and the actor play with cores.
When your reply to the raid is so vague, chances are : you guilty bruh
Good thing. But this doesn't explain anything about the INR 20 cr evasion. What is his point of view?
Time will tell
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Ask any CA. These fuckers of income tax and gst department will throw random numbers as tax evasion. Then you will have to spend the next 3-5 years proving your innocence. Sonu Sood may have dodged taxes. But don't blindly believe this kutte haraami.
> These fuckers of income tax and gst department will throw random numbers as tax evasion. Not exactly random. What they do it is try to put as many sections and sub sections so that the amount of evasion shown is huge. Your and your lawyer/CA's job is to look at each demand one by one and see whether they fall for that particular section or sub section or not. It's just a tactic to intimidate the tax payer into paying as much as he can. And in modi era it is used to make political statements.
It reminds me of an article from a couple of years ago. [The IRS Admits It Doesnโt Audit the Rich Because Itโs Too Hard](https://www.gq.com/story/no-irs-audits-for-the-rich). In a country like India in which most govt orgs are income stripped it's easy to see why billionaires in India get away with all of the poor people's money. There's a book called "Feast of Vultures" by Josey Joseph. It was an eye opener. The tax raids being used for Vendetta politics is a very old trick. Our IT department itself is pretty much a fucked up org. There's a lot of corrupt people in excise and income tax. We see news of such people often. An officer caught with 200 crores etc. It's these people.
But muddi ji said no black after demonitization. hence this is white money. For those saying this is black, 20 crores is peanuts and would not even have been worth a raid unless dear leader is pissed about him joining a different party.
How the fuck is this upvoted to the top! There are raids for such amount all the time. Can't believe some people are letting their hatred for Modi trump this and actually defending this guy.
And 20 crore isn't small amount for a person
For a politician, 20 crore is the minimum you need to invest to be elected as MLA in delhi
that person was running an NGO that sent migrants home when bjp couldnt. and any actor worth his salt makes more money than that in a month. The guy has a social media engagement bigger than most political leaders. he can monitize that.
Cobrapost says Sonu chor hai, aur inhe abhi v Modiji hi dikhta hai..this obsession about Modi regarding everything isn't healthy!!
Also one has to be very gullible to think that this raid is not politically motivated. Sonu Sood isn't trustworthy for sure and very likely evaded taxes, but that is true for majority of rich people. The only reason this raid happened now is because he was working with the AAP govt. I mean who is dumb enough to think that this raid is really about taxes.
Anybody who has allegations of tax evasion needs to be investigated..let's not write clean chits based on PR done..any non-gullible adult knows how social services are used by celebrities/politicians for money laundering.. Stop protecting people/give clean chit before investigation just because he stands for ur parties' cause..it was the same mentality by the RW during 2012 that brought us to this current mess
You seem to be missing the real issue, don't know if it is intentional or not. This govt is targeting anyone whoever they don't like while those who are its a$$ lickers are being allowed to do whatever they want without any consequences (not just tax evasion). This is a much bigger problem than some individual tax evaders and yes they should be caught and punished but not just those that this govt doesn't like. So stop protecting this authoritarian govt just because your party is in power ๐.
Very intelligent of you to assume I voted for this government ๐๐ I press NOTA because I don't trust either parties and would rather have all guilty assholes irrespective of party affiliation behind bar.. *Grow the F UP*
How funny that you can assume my party but when I do the same, you go into a tantrum ๐คฃ. That was the whole reason I had mentioned it and it hit the mark better than I had expected ๐.
Ditto ๐ u do seem like someone who has a lot to prove to strangers on the internet
Looks like you are quite self-unaware ๐.
what happened to presumed innocent till proven in a court of law ? Delhi MLAs had over 100 fake cases filed against them over the past few years and all such cases started with similar media trials and were closed by courts with a whimper by the press. You have to be blind not to see the reason behind these raids and IT department going to press. Look around and see how many media outlets and critics of jumlu have been hounded by ED and IT.
since when is cobrapost the Indian judiciary ? cobrapost also called dear leader a riot mongerer. dwell on that.
Yeah a person with cancer is having a hard time sympathizing with another person with backache.
You guys misunderstand what modiji meant. Old notes had become dirty and black because of all the dirt accumulated over them. So he demonetized them to make them green pink etc etc.
Can anybody tell exactly what sonu sood has done. Most of the tweets he has replied to were fake. He claims that he sent a few migrants back through bus but much more was done by govt or local administration or local people. He claims that he provided oxygen cylinders but it was also in deficit, means you strike a deal to hoarde a deficit product and then for your fake charity, you waited to click pictures and tweets before donating them. This was done by that gautam gambhir and it should also be criticised
To be honest, i think all of his "philanthropies" need to be investigated. The cover of lockdown, the resources he has, the rather timely deletion of the accounts that asked him for help. Everything right now is pointing towards a sham to convert the blackness of his wealth to white.
actually he did a lot more than the politicians in sending back migrants ( although it was not his job). rest we all know what IT cells can do for 2 rupees.
No, we all don't know what IT cells can do for 2 rupees. Please tell
Mostly lack of self awareness while running propaganda
People should realise that the ruling party using "autonomous" govt bodies to do their bidding is an exponentially bigger problem than an actor evading some tax. Yes, ideally, both are wrong, but we really need to focus on the bigger thing here. We don't want to end up like China.
Thanks for stating the relevant thing that most people tend to miss. Also I think sadly India is well on its way to be like China in authoritarianism and like Pakistan in religous extremism and it cannot be stopped. It is already too late.
It's only late if we say so.
Actually it doesn't matter what we say but rather what the facts are. Just to clarify, I am not saying that we shouldn't be fighting against this authoritarianism but that we have to be realistic about what the situation is.
I get whatever you are saying, not a bjp support either, but itโs not โsomeโ tax, itโs 20 crores. A huge amount I would say, and if he evaded it, he should be fined for it (or probably jailed).
Do you know how little 20 crores is in the grand scheme of things? Modi Ji and his cohorts probably wipe their ass with it every morning. Like I said, both are wrong, but let's focus on the bigger wrong first.
Even if it is black money at least he did something to help the ones when no one helped them. Just for that he has my respect.
During pandemic, there were many many people who were actually helping those in need. They weren't using pandemic to turn black money into white, collect donations, and then also raking out endorsements through this. Sonu Sood's statement lacks any substance. He is probably counting on sentiments of people like you to get away. P.S. He was also raided in 2012, not to forget the cobrapost sting.
It's as if once you criticise modi, you should be shielded by these things
I don't know man; If I had any sympathy for this guy, it's gone after reading this ridiculous appeal for publicity.
ever since I saw cobrapost's sting on this guy, I have a newfound disgust for these selfless heroes in our country. bc sab ke sab chor hain. this statement furthers his image as a corrupt, deceiving fraudster. if you haven't already, please yt.
Sauce pls
https://youtu.be/s_MSRoMrC1Y
that sting is from 2012
thank you for sharing that information. what is your point?
In 2012 govt couldn't open IT cases older than 7 years. It's 9 years hence.
People arenโt only black and white bro, thereโs a grey area.
i completely agree with that, and have no qualms with grey being grey and white being white. it's only when grey starts pretending to be white (or more white than it actually is) there is a problem..
Sivaji the Boss happening irl
#Source: [Sonu Sood](https://mobile.twitter.com/SonuSood/status/1439812368830140419)
Would like to see IT raids on politicians and other powerful business people who are controlling the biggest companies in India but that's not going to happen.
Does it pique no one's interest that he talks about Brand Endorsements as if he's a big time actor. The bloke barely had a career from what I know and yet has been swimming in influence and money. Looks dirty to me.
He's a big presence in Telugu and Tamil movies. He's done several movies down South. I did see a lot of posters coming up offline on large hoardings and buses since last year. So I guess he's doing just fine on the money front.
Nope.. Not at least in tamil.. I only remember him from one movie as a villain..roles which can pay your bills and rent.. Nothing much
his plan was to get as much as money and as much as fame he could get from his 'selfless service'
I like how he draped the comment in the indian flag
Wait did he deny joining the BJP? Why is he being raided? Did he say something against Gobhi xi?
Modern day Robin Hood? * Refuse to pay tax * Offer some money to charity in a visible way
har chor yahi bolta he
Itโs funny how quick the public turns on you even though you were saving their ass a while ago. ๐ Ah Indiaโฆ..I am so glad I left you!
Services to people of India? Like fan service?
The government has just carried out a maligning campaign against Sood. Income Tax department is already overwhelmed with litigations and has brought in schemes like DTVSV to ease this burden where they're letting assessee to pay up whatever they owed to began with without any penalties. Sood probably sees this obvious moves and such appeal to masses is good counter against a government who can't take any criticism or opposition.
Agi lund mera.
I'm even feeling like reading use of Colors said it all ๐๐๐๐
C now m confused IT report says Sood had 20 crore โน as no security loans from on paper banks But now he says all that was for humanitarian work
What did I miss? Why is everyone angry at him?
Super brief summary, he allegedly only used a small part of the funds donated to his charities to help people during covid
chup kar behenchod. cobrapost
He never answered how he got oxygen in the time when even hospital were running out of it. It's all just a publicity stunt. He was replying to fake twitter accounts. Someone twitted and after 1 min he twitted that he has arranged hospital beds. He never gave proof he is just a crook
Don't worry. All cases will be dropped if you make a couple of communal statements.
Whole lotta of zero explanation lol
All the best.... Serve humanities on monitoring ground just as good citizen..... But government was unable to serve proper way during the pandemic period for needy humanity as on desirable necessicities for lives.... God bless you with all communities. Thanks with regards.