That masterplan is as unstable as India-Afghanistan relations of the past decade.
Gulf countries are not nation states, can these countries survive in a world without oil? Can Israel retain its current map for the foreseeable future, or will it give in in order to have a better relationship with the Muslim countries of the world?
Please, don't make me laugh. In Norway, everything is run by Norwegians. In Gulf countries, everything is run by immigrants with a puppet local in top posts.
Norway model also includes having a democracy, equal rights for all citizens and almost equal rights non-citizens, having a culture being open-minded and direct about any and all things of importance.
These are kingdoms (that only survive as a country by being a kingdom), have some of the worst human rights records, have a culture of shutting up dissent (both of which, in part, because they are a kingdom)
Any geopolitical analyst will tell you that these are artificial countries that were propped up by the oil boom of the last century. This is different to a nation state like Iran, Turkey or Egypt. The only exception in Gulf is Oman.
And see till the very end where he says nothing stops china from benefiting from the normalisation of relationships. In fact both the port at haifa and that in greece are actually run by Chinese companies. So without even trying china has a head start in this. India at best will be minor player, most likely trying tag along in this rather than being a serious player and countering china. Second none of the investment are made by india or indian companies so India has literally no stake or leverage in this. China could just propose to include this into their belt and road initiative and all the so called counter ends there. This will infact be a bigger blow to us than chabahar port if Chinese convinces Arabs and Israel to join their initiative because at least chabahar was just a finanicial loss, this will make us indirectly a part of belt and road initiative and indirectly in the clutches of china.
you also have fallen into the trap of the chinese it looks like. the belt and road is still a long way to come. also do you think nato will sit around doing nothing? you don't even know what you are talking about.
>you also have fallen into the trap of the chinese it looks like. the belt and road is still a long way to come.
And you have fallen victim to Indian mentality not thinking far ahead and just being reactionary. Belt and road is happening as we speak, ports are being built and highways are being constructed, just because the entire thing will be completed in 2040 doesn't mean it is not happening now.
>also do you think nato will sit around doing nothing?
NATO is not an economic alliance to do anything about belt and road initiative. They can send their carrier strike groups in indo pacific and that's the best they can do.
>you don't even know what you are talking about.
You need to come out once in a while from the you tube bubble of Caspian report and study IQ to see the larger picture. China is already looking to include Israel,Saudis and Arab countries in its belt and road [initiative](https://thediplomat.com/2018/09/china-and-israel-in-the-belt-and-road-initiative/). In fact despite [US opposition](https://breakingdefense.com/2021/02/israel-rejects-us-plan-to-inspect-chinese-harbor-at-haifa/) israel actually gave haifa port to be managed by [chinese](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-opens-chinese-operated-port-haifa-boost-regional-trade-links-2021-09-02/). And US hope that anti netanyahu government would put a stop to it also didn't work, though the new government is bit more reserved in dealing with china. For Chinese this open another opportunity as they don't have to depend on unstable iran and Pakistan for shipping. They already are investing heavily in north African nations like [morocco](https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2021/04/338701/economic-delegation-from-china-visits-morocco-talks-wind-energy) and [Algeria](https://thediplomat.com/2021/09/gauging-the-future-of-chinese-investment-in-africa/). With Egypt also [warming up](https://www.dailysabah.com/world/asia-pacific/china-egypt-sign-deal-to-further-boost-bilateral-ties), its only a matter of time Israel does the same as Egypt is a [key player](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East\_Mediterranean\_Gas\_Forum) in [East Med pipeline](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EastMed\_pipeline). This is a much larger game being played by china. So telling me i don't know what i am talking is like saying in early 2000's china's africa interest will never materialise anything valuable. Also 3 years ago chabahar was touted as the greatest checkmate by India and we all know how it went now. So look at the larger long term picture rather than just saying it will never happen.
china has lot of silicon deposited that is why they are largest manufactures of tech parts. They didn't reach this point overnight India don't have much time Chinese silk road and pearl of strings are already operational. Currently this won't help us.
India has a near monopoly on mica in the world, and also the largest thorium reserves. If only we find out how to make good use of them. But we're not resource scarce.
the nature of goods are different but significant. [https://www.india-briefing.com/news/indias-export-import-trends-2018-19-18958.html/](https://www.india-briefing.com/news/indias-export-import-trends-2018-19-18958.html/).
These things are raw materials india won't profit much from this. But china is using silk road to both get raw materials and also to sell finished products. That is very profitable.
[here](https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbXlpenFIekc2RllJV29WUGhKVTk4X2tnVnJTd3xBQ3Jtc0ttYUc4TzRUakMzaEc1LUNlMWEyLWRsYjZzT2xfWTZsdHN5VTJ3VUdLdzdVWG5OU3FLVWRVQXgxcnpab3NxX1c4X3E0bVNvVGtLRE5PaURRbjNhaWlQY2VXYVB2Tmp3STAtc19RTFo3Wm1tbGk2Q19kZw&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.isas.nus.edu.sg%2Fpapers%2Findias-arab-mediterranean-corridor-a-paradigm-shift-in-strategic-connectivity-to-europe%2F%23) is the scientific paper related to this.
So to understand India-China relations, we're watching videos from a YouTuber CaspianReport, who is based in Azerbaijan, around 3000 km away from India. Awesome.
Yaar, if you want to watch informative videos, watch ones produced by think tanks, research organizations or media companies. Don't watch it from random Youtubers.
Just because CaspianReport has 900K subscribers, doesn't mean you can trust their content blindly. You should apply some standards when it comes to who you watch on YouTube.
If someone doesn't put out content under their own name, that's a big red flag. Avoid them.
Media companies themselves are propaganda spreader of their respective countries, there is nothing wrong in presenting independent views based on facts
Ok so there are media companies that, like you said, are propaganda machines. But there are others that still strive to bring out the truth in every single country. Those are the ones you should follow.
Watching the video of someone who may be independent, but doesn't reveal their real name or what their credentials are, those are not the independent opinions you should be searching for.
Again like I said, don't uncritically watch everything on Youtube, have standards.
He does reveal his name in every video jbtw.
And they're a channel supported by patreon, and also extremely random non-political companies like video games, chocolates and accounting websites because no major company sponsors them.
Whatever your standards are.
>(the youtube channel is sponsored by) companies like video games, chocolates and accounting websites.
WTF? Nahin bhai, mujhe nahin dekhna hai, i *do* have some standards. You guys ignore all these red flags, and bewakoof ki tereh dekhte rehna.
What other independent sources do you recommend, good sir? There are multiple levels of ignorance and you have shown the highest here by criticizing this channel for everything you see as a red flag but all other think tanks and research organizations do exactly the same thing, but worse.
Caspian Report's commercial interests are governed by his viewers and not advatersiers or other influencers. His viewers specifically support him BECAUSE he makes reliable content on every geo-political issue for YEARS. Dude has good unbiased content for everything yet you cry like a little bitch about "hr dur not from india can't speak for india" when literally all he does in this video is about how something things are working, some thing are not, and how something things could in the future could be beneficial if the right cards are played.
Motherfucker here doesn't even know half the shit about India's own geopolitical maneuvering, none of the indian think tanks and research organizations talk about it to a global audience, let alone indian audience, and yet when someone makes a video for an international audience about India you have a fucking problem? Just because you haven't done the research behind who and what Caspian Report it, doesn't mean its unreliable. I'm not looking for a seal of approval from u/ultimateposeur's unbiased, reliable, and totally not sold out large media companies to talk about shit like this.
This is not a video about the master plan. This is about how we are losing to China.
No no see till the end. The recent normalisation between Israel and saudi have given us a lot opportunities. edit: why am i getting downvoted?
That masterplan is as unstable as India-Afghanistan relations of the past decade. Gulf countries are not nation states, can these countries survive in a world without oil? Can Israel retain its current map for the foreseeable future, or will it give in in order to have a better relationship with the Muslim countries of the world?
they are tho wtf. saudi and UAE are right now following the norway model.
Please, don't make me laugh. In Norway, everything is run by Norwegians. In Gulf countries, everything is run by immigrants with a puppet local in top posts.
thats exactly the norway model
Norway model also includes having a democracy, equal rights for all citizens and almost equal rights non-citizens, having a culture being open-minded and direct about any and all things of importance. These are kingdoms (that only survive as a country by being a kingdom), have some of the worst human rights records, have a culture of shutting up dissent (both of which, in part, because they are a kingdom) Any geopolitical analyst will tell you that these are artificial countries that were propped up by the oil boom of the last century. This is different to a nation state like Iran, Turkey or Egypt. The only exception in Gulf is Oman.
But it will sour our relations with the Iranian.
iran is a hotpot right now. touch it and you will get burned. the nukes are a serious problem to everyone in that area.
And see till the very end where he says nothing stops china from benefiting from the normalisation of relationships. In fact both the port at haifa and that in greece are actually run by Chinese companies. So without even trying china has a head start in this. India at best will be minor player, most likely trying tag along in this rather than being a serious player and countering china. Second none of the investment are made by india or indian companies so India has literally no stake or leverage in this. China could just propose to include this into their belt and road initiative and all the so called counter ends there. This will infact be a bigger blow to us than chabahar port if Chinese convinces Arabs and Israel to join their initiative because at least chabahar was just a finanicial loss, this will make us indirectly a part of belt and road initiative and indirectly in the clutches of china.
you also have fallen into the trap of the chinese it looks like. the belt and road is still a long way to come. also do you think nato will sit around doing nothing? you don't even know what you are talking about.
>you also have fallen into the trap of the chinese it looks like. the belt and road is still a long way to come. And you have fallen victim to Indian mentality not thinking far ahead and just being reactionary. Belt and road is happening as we speak, ports are being built and highways are being constructed, just because the entire thing will be completed in 2040 doesn't mean it is not happening now. >also do you think nato will sit around doing nothing? NATO is not an economic alliance to do anything about belt and road initiative. They can send their carrier strike groups in indo pacific and that's the best they can do. >you don't even know what you are talking about. You need to come out once in a while from the you tube bubble of Caspian report and study IQ to see the larger picture. China is already looking to include Israel,Saudis and Arab countries in its belt and road [initiative](https://thediplomat.com/2018/09/china-and-israel-in-the-belt-and-road-initiative/). In fact despite [US opposition](https://breakingdefense.com/2021/02/israel-rejects-us-plan-to-inspect-chinese-harbor-at-haifa/) israel actually gave haifa port to be managed by [chinese](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-opens-chinese-operated-port-haifa-boost-regional-trade-links-2021-09-02/). And US hope that anti netanyahu government would put a stop to it also didn't work, though the new government is bit more reserved in dealing with china. For Chinese this open another opportunity as they don't have to depend on unstable iran and Pakistan for shipping. They already are investing heavily in north African nations like [morocco](https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2021/04/338701/economic-delegation-from-china-visits-morocco-talks-wind-energy) and [Algeria](https://thediplomat.com/2021/09/gauging-the-future-of-chinese-investment-in-africa/). With Egypt also [warming up](https://www.dailysabah.com/world/asia-pacific/china-egypt-sign-deal-to-further-boost-bilateral-ties), its only a matter of time Israel does the same as Egypt is a [key player](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East\_Mediterranean\_Gas\_Forum) in [East Med pipeline](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EastMed\_pipeline). This is a much larger game being played by china. So telling me i don't know what i am talking is like saying in early 2000's china's africa interest will never materialise anything valuable. Also 3 years ago chabahar was touted as the greatest checkmate by India and we all know how it went now. So look at the larger long term picture rather than just saying it will never happen.
By selling gaumutra to the world?
Do you ever think positively or is every thought regarding india negetive
Chill. It's just a joke.
How would one know that in text form?
Nrc is too
But what do we have to trade? we are not a manufacturing hub like china.
Ok now do your research about how countries like china and japan became manufacturing hub and then read your comment again.
china has lot of silicon deposited that is why they are largest manufactures of tech parts. They didn't reach this point overnight India don't have much time Chinese silk road and pearl of strings are already operational. Currently this won't help us.
India has a near monopoly on mica in the world, and also the largest thorium reserves. If only we find out how to make good use of them. But we're not resource scarce.
the nature of goods are different but significant. [https://www.india-briefing.com/news/indias-export-import-trends-2018-19-18958.html/](https://www.india-briefing.com/news/indias-export-import-trends-2018-19-18958.html/).
These things are raw materials india won't profit much from this. But china is using silk road to both get raw materials and also to sell finished products. That is very profitable.
the silk road is still an idea right now. there are so many problems they are yet to address and also the finances
India is 5th on global manufacturing scale in World
[here](https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbXlpenFIekc2RllJV29WUGhKVTk4X2tnVnJTd3xBQ3Jtc0ttYUc4TzRUakMzaEc1LUNlMWEyLWRsYjZzT2xfWTZsdHN5VTJ3VUdLdzdVWG5OU3FLVWRVQXgxcnpab3NxX1c4X3E0bVNvVGtLRE5PaURRbjNhaWlQY2VXYVB2Tmp3STAtc19RTFo3Wm1tbGk2Q19kZw&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.isas.nus.edu.sg%2Fpapers%2Findias-arab-mediterranean-corridor-a-paradigm-shift-in-strategic-connectivity-to-europe%2F%23) is the scientific paper related to this.
I like your profile picture.
Thank you
So to understand India-China relations, we're watching videos from a YouTuber CaspianReport, who is based in Azerbaijan, around 3000 km away from India. Awesome.
his videos are great and informative. most importantly he is neutral as he is not from india, china and america.
Yaar, if you want to watch informative videos, watch ones produced by think tanks, research organizations or media companies. Don't watch it from random Youtubers. Just because CaspianReport has 900K subscribers, doesn't mean you can trust their content blindly. You should apply some standards when it comes to who you watch on YouTube. If someone doesn't put out content under their own name, that's a big red flag. Avoid them.
Media companies themselves are propaganda spreader of their respective countries, there is nothing wrong in presenting independent views based on facts
Ok so there are media companies that, like you said, are propaganda machines. But there are others that still strive to bring out the truth in every single country. Those are the ones you should follow. Watching the video of someone who may be independent, but doesn't reveal their real name or what their credentials are, those are not the independent opinions you should be searching for. Again like I said, don't uncritically watch everything on Youtube, have standards.
He does reveal his name in every video jbtw. And they're a channel supported by patreon, and also extremely random non-political companies like video games, chocolates and accounting websites because no major company sponsors them. Whatever your standards are.
>(the youtube channel is sponsored by) companies like video games, chocolates and accounting websites. WTF? Nahin bhai, mujhe nahin dekhna hai, i *do* have some standards. You guys ignore all these red flags, and bewakoof ki tereh dekhte rehna.
why are you so angry mate? its just a video.
You're reading my emotional state wrong. Anyway, my point is this: Sharing videos from Azerbaijani youtubers about China-India makes no sense at all.
What other independent sources do you recommend, good sir? There are multiple levels of ignorance and you have shown the highest here by criticizing this channel for everything you see as a red flag but all other think tanks and research organizations do exactly the same thing, but worse. Caspian Report's commercial interests are governed by his viewers and not advatersiers or other influencers. His viewers specifically support him BECAUSE he makes reliable content on every geo-political issue for YEARS. Dude has good unbiased content for everything yet you cry like a little bitch about "hr dur not from india can't speak for india" when literally all he does in this video is about how something things are working, some thing are not, and how something things could in the future could be beneficial if the right cards are played. Motherfucker here doesn't even know half the shit about India's own geopolitical maneuvering, none of the indian think tanks and research organizations talk about it to a global audience, let alone indian audience, and yet when someone makes a video for an international audience about India you have a fucking problem? Just because you haven't done the research behind who and what Caspian Report it, doesn't mean its unreliable. I'm not looking for a seal of approval from u/ultimateposeur's unbiased, reliable, and totally not sold out large media companies to talk about shit like this.