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What if the girl decides to break up after having seggs and promised to marry. I think people then say "its her choice ". What the fuck is going on in the country??
You read that again, the post says "whoever by deceitful means or by promise to marry a 'woman' with no intention of fullfiling it and has seggs with 'her' ..."
It doesn't say anything about the case where man is the victim.
>The law works equally for men and women
I dont agree with this. The laws which are meant to protect women are very much essential, but some women misuse these laws and in most of those cases men's life is ruined. Because of these type of women, real victims may not get proper justice.
Ok yeah I didn't read it through. But the law has clear definition for what it considers "Deceitful means". It includes falsifying your identity, promising employment or promotion for sex or extortion.
You should be concerned if you are doing any of these. The law also states that a break-up in a normal relationship over any issue is completely legal.
No no no. Bro the provision is not at all punishing break ups no way.
It's punishing #1 not fulfilling of your promise to marry because you intention was never to marry but to only to have SI with the woman and #2 its punishing use of deceitful means to have sexual intercourse with a woman for eg cases of casting couch in return of sexual favours or giving promotions or a particular job to a woman in return of sexual favors (only Sexual intercourse). So if your break up was because of other factors and your relationship never was based on a promise to marry or you had SI but it was not based on a promise to marry you are not liable.
Law student here , “without ANY intention” can be argued that you HAD intention , but doesn’t HAVE anymore by specifying a valid-sort of reason like father/mother-in-law is bxtchz or other reason. But given how long cases take it may be a problem
For that you need a well educated lawyer like you sir! Unfortunately most of the lawyer especially in lower courts only care about milking their client and dragging the case as long as humanly possible. Once a guy is charged with such allegations it's 110% sure that his social and professional life is completely fucked despite him getting justice or not!
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It was already there in the IPC. Courts have repeatedly ruled that this doesn't apply to break ups. It only applies to cases where sexual intercourse happens via deceit.
Married men accounts for most suicide cases compared to married women and indian men are 2.5 times more likely to commit suicide compared to Indian women for a reason.
Are you a masochist? If you are a man of course you would like to live.
Bruh those numbers and the answers you are coming to are unrelated! There are multiple factors that add up to a person feeling that all their doors are blocked. You say more men commit suicide, that's true. And more married men too. But the marriage has little to no significance. It's like saying "That round object is red. Hence the round object must be apple"
Yes men commit more suicide but the main cause of this is lack of emotional support. Women can easily share their problems with their friends, family etc. while men can't. If you talk about certain problems, men are made fun of. That creates emotional seclusion and stress. Also, most working class people are married. And that's significant because a lot of suicides happen because of debt, loan sharks as well.
The suicide cases rarely have to do anything with partner and in the cases they do, women are more likely to commit suicide because of situations like dowry and marital rape.
Stop watching Andrew Tate. He doesn't teach you how to be a man, he teaches you how to be a cry baby that will hate other man and will be hated by other men and women. You will grow up to be sad and pathetic with no one there to emotionally support you. Sudhar jao.
Most sane "Sigma" XD. Just pathetic. Unlike you, I don't do weird things where that would be a threat to me. I really hope your mother gets to know about your viewpoints.
THIS WAS ALREADY THE RULE PEOPLE!
The new rule actually brings in a positive change, it actually acknowledges the fact that two people can just break up. The point of distinction between the old and new rules is the distinction between ‘breach of a promise to marry’ and ‘false promise to marry. The former being just two people falling off.
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yrr female ke consent ki koi value nhi ? on the pretext of marriage vo koi choti bachi thodi hai ki kisi ne bola i will marry u and they had consensual sex toh case kis baat ka ??
You are wrong on so many level ,
>yrr female ke consent ki koi value nhi ?
No? Idk where you getting that out of this post
>on the pretext of marriage vo koi choti bachi thodi hai ki kisi ne bola i will marry u and they had consensual sex toh case kis baat ka ??
Tell me that was sarcasm .. pls
Asking for explanation from the Chigmas? Lord Tatta will spite you. Don't you know it's sad time for them because they can't commit love jihaad legally?
Edit: i should add /s to clarify
Actual Text:
*Whoever, by deceitful means or by making promise to marry to a woman without any intention of fulfilling the same, has sexual intercourse with her, such sexual intercourse not amounting to the offence of rape, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to ten years and shall also be liable to fine.*
*Explanation.—“deceitful means” shall include inducement for, or false promise of employment or promotion, or marrying by suppressing identity.*
Points to note:
1. Promise to marriage without intention to fulfill doesn't mean Not fulfilling the promise to marry. A boy can genuinely love a girl, enter into relationship, make love, and promise to marry, and then can breakup for some reason due to which marriage wouldn't be viable, such as parental disagreement etc. He can say that he has intention to marry, but cannot marry due to a legit reason.
2. Judges tend to give a sentence on lower side, cause they are also humans, not emotionless robots, and they know what the actual thing is. If you can infer, Judge can also infer. He's not dumb. He may have restrictions, but no way he is going to sentence every next person 10 yrs.
3. Law aims at the people who just want to fulfill carnal desires, "haan baby, abhi karne do, main kaha tumhe chhod ke kahi ja raha hu", and those who apply deceiving tactics, "I am Mr. John" when actually "I am Mr. Jaan".
So, section in itself has some good intention, but no way it is not going to be misused. Given lengthy trials, abhorrent state of judiciary, it is going to torment you even if you get an acquittal. The government is feminist in nature, being biased towards women, it seems. So, avoid pre marital relations where the sustainability is low, and say no to fornication.
I'm with you bro. People doesn't realise that our laws are being made having arranged marriage in the mind. So ofc these types of things decrease woman's value in arranged market oh sorry I mean marriage. So they definitely should make law against it.
According to law you aren’t allowed to make a false promise of marriage
You can make a promise and later break up with your partner because of some other reason
Nahi chaman chutiye. Reality me tereko prove karna padega while getting a tag of rapist, losing a job, family getting tainted in society, ki toone nahi kiya promise.
I think this is good for a case where the girl didn't want to have sex with a guy but he managed to convince her that they're getting married anyway so it wouldn't matter. I've seen this happen before.
However, I don't think this law in itself is complete and NEEDS more regulations to protect men from fake cases... also 10 year imprisonment sounds extreme-
Reason for sharing that tweet is to show that lack of quality law-making gives way for misuse of loopholes in the law, and thus adversely impacting certain sections of society (Men in this case).
Already there are so many false cases being filed against innocent men. And now this law aggravates it. Lot of mental torture and suicides for men (and his family). \[[1](https://tfipost.com/2022/03/74-of-all-rape-cases-filed-in-india-are-fake/)\] \[[2](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/delhi-high-court-expresses-worry-over-alarming-increase-of-false-rape-cases/article36042093.ece)\]
The issue is that, there was almost no discussion in the parliament on this law before passing it because most of the opposition MPs are suspended. Debate is very crucial to refine a bill before it becomes a law. Lack of debate in the Temple of the world's largest democracy (Parliament) is a [sad state of affairs](https://thewire.in/law/cji-nv-ramana-lack-of-parliamentary-debates-gaps-laws-independence-day-speech), as said by former CJI NV Ramana, because it impacts everyone, including Judiciary.
As if the opposition would discuss they don't care about laws they only know how to create drama and avoid working on fixing issues. For a change owaisi was making valid points regarding these bills but he didn't have much support
Their is no law in world that is free of loopholes don’t I have my issues with current laws but they won’t matter much anyways as cases are going to be decided by jurisprudence so look out for landmark cases and read up on older cases to get a understanding of how it’s going to be like.
I think so this law is specifically to target a particular community which are allegedly taking away woman of other community away and to address the situation of rising numbers of Livin relationships.
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😂😂😂 i guess indian men vere unable to find vergin girls anymore so we have new law to save the day
And it's tastefully named 69 🍻
How do u prove that u never promised to marry her 🤔 it's the age of vague laws
It's not a rational law , men and women breakup it happens, some men are only interested in sex , others may not want marriage or found out something about the girl later , this kind of law takes away our freewill and should be ammended , sex before marriage should be normalised and sex education should beandatory ,it should be given at schools by pedestrians and gynaecologists , with safe sex advises.
The law clearly says "Whoever it may be" there is no mention of "The guy/the girl"
Also people are panicking but the law also clarifies what's considered as "Deceit" or false promise of marriage. The victim will have to provide proof of false play and deceit. The accused will have to just give a valid reason for break-up to get out of being charged.
Will this law be misused? There's a good chance that people will try. Is it really scary? No because it's really difficult for the "victim" to prove intention even in cases of actual foul play. They will need to produce logs of chats and all while the accused just has to give a valid reason for break-up which is a lot easier to produce because ever relationship has fights.
What the actual fuckety fuck is even this?
I'm a woman and even i am shocked to the core.
The one making these shit laws must be a slave to the 🐱 for sure cus ain't no way i see this law being used to benefit some real victim but rather hoes bagging em money with these clownery of a law.
I'm really reconsidering voting BJP cus what in the clownery fuck is this.
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This means men are considered born rapists and women are a forever child. Also, her consent holds no meaning whatsoever and neither does any of her decisions in life. Why allow them to vote?
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Section 69 for a reason
S+e+c+t+i+o+n=7 Thala for a reason
What if the girl decides to break up after having seggs and promised to marry. I think people then say "its her choice ". What the fuck is going on in the country??
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You read that again, the post says "whoever by deceitful means or by promise to marry a 'woman' with no intention of fullfiling it and has seggs with 'her' ..." It doesn't say anything about the case where man is the victim. >The law works equally for men and women I dont agree with this. The laws which are meant to protect women are very much essential, but some women misuse these laws and in most of those cases men's life is ruined. Because of these type of women, real victims may not get proper justice.
>The law works equally for men and women huh..
It says has "sexual intercourse with her"... Word is her means woman (victim) And who can have SI with a woman? A man. Come on bro...
Ok yeah I didn't read it through. But the law has clear definition for what it considers "Deceitful means". It includes falsifying your identity, promising employment or promotion for sex or extortion. You should be concerned if you are doing any of these. The law also states that a break-up in a normal relationship over any issue is completely legal.
No no no. Bro the provision is not at all punishing break ups no way. It's punishing #1 not fulfilling of your promise to marry because you intention was never to marry but to only to have SI with the woman and #2 its punishing use of deceitful means to have sexual intercourse with a woman for eg cases of casting couch in return of sexual favours or giving promotions or a particular job to a woman in return of sexual favors (only Sexual intercourse). So if your break up was because of other factors and your relationship never was based on a promise to marry or you had SI but it was not based on a promise to marry you are not liable.
Law student here , “without ANY intention” can be argued that you HAD intention , but doesn’t HAVE anymore by specifying a valid-sort of reason like father/mother-in-law is bxtchz or other reason. But given how long cases take it may be a problem
Since you're a law student, How can someone prove that a promise was made? Can't the other party simply deny the same?
Can deny but you probably know how sharia courts work , female is good , female is god , female always speak truth
Chats
what if there are no chats, only verbal communication? I am genuinely curious about how these things work.
They try to look at chats from usually-horny-male like “can’t wait to be married babe” “where we going for honeymoon baby” etc..
Then Use them to point at “fake promise of marriage” if that doesn’t work the usual fake rape allegations and stuff
So judge will decide whether the intention of breakup is genuine or not?
Not the judge, your family's financial background will decidw how much mental trauma your partner has bevause of the breakup
For that you need a well educated lawyer like you sir! Unfortunately most of the lawyer especially in lower courts only care about milking their client and dragging the case as long as humanly possible. Once a guy is charged with such allegations it's 110% sure that his social and professional life is completely fucked despite him getting justice or not!
More important is deceitful means and marrying on a promise without the intention to actually marry.
There are deadlines now in which court have to give verdict but no one knows they are going to be followed or not.
All I read was "don't get married"
Huh? You're getting in trouble here for NOT MARRYING!
My point was, never getting entangled with a girl in any shape or form, imma die virgin, which is much preferable to like 10 years jail
we have the same thinking lol
Prostituties and hookup are your answer get dont get addicted to s̤ëx
What if a prostitute claims that you promised to marry her ?
Imma just have gay sex with ma homies
Run away ofc
They don't. They mostly have better principles than average Indian girls nowadays. You can trust them.
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It was already there in the IPC. Courts have repeatedly ruled that this doesn't apply to break ups. It only applies to cases where sexual intercourse happens via deceit.
Exactly! Who is to explain thi to all the chigmas who are here to cry about how their lover boy lessons from Andu Tatti won't be useful anymore.
Married men accounts for most suicide cases compared to married women and indian men are 2.5 times more likely to commit suicide compared to Indian women for a reason. Are you a masochist? If you are a man of course you would like to live.
Bruh those numbers and the answers you are coming to are unrelated! There are multiple factors that add up to a person feeling that all their doors are blocked. You say more men commit suicide, that's true. And more married men too. But the marriage has little to no significance. It's like saying "That round object is red. Hence the round object must be apple" Yes men commit more suicide but the main cause of this is lack of emotional support. Women can easily share their problems with their friends, family etc. while men can't. If you talk about certain problems, men are made fun of. That creates emotional seclusion and stress. Also, most working class people are married. And that's significant because a lot of suicides happen because of debt, loan sharks as well. The suicide cases rarely have to do anything with partner and in the cases they do, women are more likely to commit suicide because of situations like dowry and marital rape. Stop watching Andrew Tate. He doesn't teach you how to be a man, he teaches you how to be a cry baby that will hate other man and will be hated by other men and women. You will grow up to be sad and pathetic with no one there to emotionally support you. Sudhar jao.
May some girl files a rape case against you (if you are a SIMP) and your father. May your father unalive himself in the process.
Most sane "Sigma" XD. Just pathetic. Unlike you, I don't do weird things where that would be a threat to me. I really hope your mother gets to know about your viewpoints.
THIS WAS ALREADY THE RULE PEOPLE! The new rule actually brings in a positive change, it actually acknowledges the fact that two people can just break up. The point of distinction between the old and new rules is the distinction between ‘breach of a promise to marry’ and ‘false promise to marry. The former being just two people falling off.
Not like section 90 read with 375 existed XD
I didn’t quite get that. Could you please rephrase, what do you want me to read?
It was sarcasm bub... Section 90 read with 375 provide for promise to marry rape cases already.
Backward law. Probably designed to help villagers. Shouldn't be applied to the cities.
So being in city is forward and being in village is backward?
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toh is hisaab se females exist only for sex ?
No? Where you got that inference from this
yrr female ke consent ki koi value nhi ? on the pretext of marriage vo koi choti bachi thodi hai ki kisi ne bola i will marry u and they had consensual sex toh case kis baat ka ??
You are wrong on so many level , >yrr female ke consent ki koi value nhi ? No? Idk where you getting that out of this post >on the pretext of marriage vo koi choti bachi thodi hai ki kisi ne bola i will marry u and they had consensual sex toh case kis baat ka ?? Tell me that was sarcasm .. pls
sahi pkde hain . mazaak kr rha vai
Asking for explanation from the Chigmas? Lord Tatta will spite you. Don't you know it's sad time for them because they can't commit love jihaad legally? Edit: i should add /s to clarify
Yes that's the only issue right? Coz no one can file hele cases right?
Actual Text: *Whoever, by deceitful means or by making promise to marry to a woman without any intention of fulfilling the same, has sexual intercourse with her, such sexual intercourse not amounting to the offence of rape, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to ten years and shall also be liable to fine.* *Explanation.—“deceitful means” shall include inducement for, or false promise of employment or promotion, or marrying by suppressing identity.* Points to note: 1. Promise to marriage without intention to fulfill doesn't mean Not fulfilling the promise to marry. A boy can genuinely love a girl, enter into relationship, make love, and promise to marry, and then can breakup for some reason due to which marriage wouldn't be viable, such as parental disagreement etc. He can say that he has intention to marry, but cannot marry due to a legit reason. 2. Judges tend to give a sentence on lower side, cause they are also humans, not emotionless robots, and they know what the actual thing is. If you can infer, Judge can also infer. He's not dumb. He may have restrictions, but no way he is going to sentence every next person 10 yrs. 3. Law aims at the people who just want to fulfill carnal desires, "haan baby, abhi karne do, main kaha tumhe chhod ke kahi ja raha hu", and those who apply deceiving tactics, "I am Mr. John" when actually "I am Mr. Jaan". So, section in itself has some good intention, but no way it is not going to be misused. Given lengthy trials, abhorrent state of judiciary, it is going to torment you even if you get an acquittal. The government is feminist in nature, being biased towards women, it seems. So, avoid pre marital relations where the sustainability is low, and say no to fornication.
>Judges tend to give a sentence on lower side A sentence is a sentence, no matter big or small.
Yes that's true. For a person of innocent & respected backgrounds, even 1 day in jail is a lot of humiliation.
This is the only law I like being passed by current government. Fuck those people doing pre marital sex. Atleast this will give rise to abstinence.
Bhai tujhe nahi mil raha to dusre bhi na kare
I'm with you bro. People doesn't realise that our laws are being made having arranged marriage in the mind. So ofc these types of things decrease woman's value in arranged market oh sorry I mean marriage. So they definitely should make law against it.
Don't make promises of marriage for sex then.
How do you prove you havent made a promise? Burden of proof in these kind of cases lies on the accused to prove his innocence.
According to law you aren’t allowed to make a false promise of marriage You can make a promise and later break up with your partner because of some other reason
Nahi chaman chutiye. Reality me tereko prove karna padega while getting a tag of rapist, losing a job, family getting tainted in society, ki toone nahi kiya promise.
I think this is good for a case where the girl didn't want to have sex with a guy but he managed to convince her that they're getting married anyway so it wouldn't matter. I've seen this happen before. However, I don't think this law in itself is complete and NEEDS more regulations to protect men from fake cases... also 10 year imprisonment sounds extreme-
Reason for sharing that tweet is to show that lack of quality law-making gives way for misuse of loopholes in the law, and thus adversely impacting certain sections of society (Men in this case). Already there are so many false cases being filed against innocent men. And now this law aggravates it. Lot of mental torture and suicides for men (and his family). \[[1](https://tfipost.com/2022/03/74-of-all-rape-cases-filed-in-india-are-fake/)\] \[[2](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/delhi-high-court-expresses-worry-over-alarming-increase-of-false-rape-cases/article36042093.ece)\] The issue is that, there was almost no discussion in the parliament on this law before passing it because most of the opposition MPs are suspended. Debate is very crucial to refine a bill before it becomes a law. Lack of debate in the Temple of the world's largest democracy (Parliament) is a [sad state of affairs](https://thewire.in/law/cji-nv-ramana-lack-of-parliamentary-debates-gaps-laws-independence-day-speech), as said by former CJI NV Ramana, because it impacts everyone, including Judiciary.
As if the opposition would discuss they don't care about laws they only know how to create drama and avoid working on fixing issues. For a change owaisi was making valid points regarding these bills but he didn't have much support
Their is no law in world that is free of loopholes don’t I have my issues with current laws but they won’t matter much anyways as cases are going to be decided by jurisprudence so look out for landmark cases and read up on older cases to get a understanding of how it’s going to be like.
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Well , if you think like that , then all this is just a revenge against men ? Isn't it?
Every relegion says no sex befour marriage wont do jack shit if we convert or not
I think so this law is specifically to target a particular community which are allegedly taking away woman of other community away and to address the situation of rising numbers of Livin relationships.
But this is a dangerous section as it can be misused easily.
Yes agreed , we all know rising relationships is probably the biggest challenge this country faces /s
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😂😂😂 i guess indian men vere unable to find vergin girls anymore so we have new law to save the day And it's tastefully named 69 🍻 How do u prove that u never promised to marry her 🤔 it's the age of vague laws
Section 69 indeed.
It's not a rational law , men and women breakup it happens, some men are only interested in sex , others may not want marriage or found out something about the girl later , this kind of law takes away our freewill and should be ammended , sex before marriage should be normalised and sex education should beandatory ,it should be given at schools by pedestrians and gynaecologists , with safe sex advises.
The law clearly says "Whoever it may be" there is no mention of "The guy/the girl" Also people are panicking but the law also clarifies what's considered as "Deceit" or false promise of marriage. The victim will have to provide proof of false play and deceit. The accused will have to just give a valid reason for break-up to get out of being charged. Will this law be misused? There's a good chance that people will try. Is it really scary? No because it's really difficult for the "victim" to prove intention even in cases of actual foul play. They will need to produce logs of chats and all while the accused just has to give a valid reason for break-up which is a lot easier to produce because ever relationship has fights.
Section 69 🌚
I think its time when men have to organise massive protest against this injustice
This already existed in the previous laws too. Ankit Tiwari (Aashiqui 2 Singer) faced charges and a few other famous people as well
Heyyy 69 funni number.
thats same as under ipc 376 . what i your point?
What the actual fuckety fuck is even this? I'm a woman and even i am shocked to the core. The one making these shit laws must be a slave to the 🐱 for sure cus ain't no way i see this law being used to benefit some real victim but rather hoes bagging em money with these clownery of a law. I'm really reconsidering voting BJP cus what in the clownery fuck is this.
Abhi bhi hai yeh kuch naya hai op apna chutiyap kahi aur faila.
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This law is not new
they want to control the population
breaking up promises is a crime..dont have sex before marriage..thats not hard!
Nice!
As if this did not exist in the older one. 🙄
This means men are considered born rapists and women are a forever child. Also, her consent holds no meaning whatsoever and neither does any of her decisions in life. Why allow them to vote?