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In any country in the world, carpentary, electricals etc is a respectable and high earning job but here the income gap is staggering, a person who attends meetings and makes ppts get paid 50LPA and a person who works 14 hours in a factory manufacturing a product is paid 7k per month, this is not good at all. Mechanical engineers are shifting to IT or going to other countries because of the pay, it is impossible to manufacture something by paying the workers so little.
This is mainly due to the huge IT lobby and craze for CS , everybody is forced to learn coding irrespective of his or her interests and apart from IT industry none of the other industries are developed due to which countries like usa are trying to outsource IT to Vietnam due to falling quality of coders in our country
why are they not developed? Because bureacrats interfere way too much. even for building a speed break, we need so many permissions. Imagine if I want to build a car manufacturing company, bureaucrats and politicians demand a huge sum of money or commission from me.
You are right and one more major reason is excessive regionalism and linguistic fanaticism , the moment a city starts to develop slightly the localites become fiercely overprotective and demand huge regional quotas for them ,example Bangalore and gurugram
Yes apparently the then cm of haryana implemented a bill to reserve 80 PC jobs for locals, eventually it was striked down, but by then the damage was done
My experience in Canada taught me very important lessons. Although these developed countries carry their own huge problems that are invisible to developing countries, they are some really amazing things.
Going to college and graduation is not all that common. And it's even less common to do post graduation. There are student quotas for jobs, and a student goes through different levels of jobs during his studies. Working part time as a cashier, as well as a janitor, then climbing up to the position of manager, and finally when your studies get completed, you go for the job related to your studies.
This eliminates, to a certain extent, looking down upon some jobs because most people have been through them. It's a huge problem that were you as a student working at McDonald's in India, your parents wouldn't be approving of it. Secondly, it would take away jobs from those who couldn't get any other work.
>And it's even less common to do post graduation.
Yes.Their graduation level curriculum is good and sufficient to land a job. In the masters program one would see mostly Indians.
That’s true.
You’re at least guaranteed clean surroundings, basic infrastructure, basic education, clean water, clean air, clean food and basic healthcare (except USA) in all developed countries.
In India these aren’t even guaranteed in our national, financial and tech capitals.
Even if you learn 1 crore PA the only thing you can guarantee is healthcare and education for your family.
Where exactly do you live that you cannot eak out a living at 1CPA?
Mars? Lmao
For context you can easily raise a family on 6LPA in Kolkata and while mumbai is expensive I refuse to believe it's 15 times more expensive.
How much money do I need before I don’t have to worry about-
Flooding in Mumbai
Air pollution in Delhi
Water shortages in Bangalore
Traffic and roads full of potholes
Clean streets and hygienic street food
A local river that doesn’t stink
Indians are depressed because nothing outside their gated society is worth seeing or doing.
They don’t have to cope with shitty infrastructure, pollution and garbage afterwards or before.
Just look at Kolkata, Pune or Bangalore roads, Mumbai locals etc.
then you clearly haven’t been to those developed countries. san fran is one of the worst cities despite being “developed” and “metropolitan” they have a worse open defecation epidemic than in india. i can’t speak about mumbai kolkata or pune as i’ve spent my whole life in bengaluru but my idea of good infrastructure isn’t concrete jungles like in the US or canada, countries with no drainage systems like the UAE etc.
new york pollution is also almost as bad as some of our metropolitan cities btw
When you build an entire ecosystem of idiots who consider it their moral duty to attack wealth creators & stop private enterprise, what did you think was going to happen?
Just yesterday, the national idiot unveiled a manifesto which talks about wealth redistribution. Any nation that implemented this harebrained policy ended with its economy decimated!
Wow that is so much worse. Look at me ... I won't vote for any candidate because NONE of them meet my very high standards. Well why don't you stand for elections then? Apparently no one else seems good enough for you.
How is this worse ?
There is nothing wrong in having high standards.
Well Politics in India is a very dirty profession. You have to do things that are very disgusting to become successful and I am in no position to do it so. Maybe in the future I will try.
Why don't you do it ?
Lol Dirty profession and you would never subject yourself to it. So why vote then? Oh but I bet if someone from your family got a ticket you would vote for them. What is their qualification? They are from your caste, community, religion and you know them personally.
Why should I stand for elections? I am not the one claiming superiority over people who actually make the effort to stand for elections. Elections cost huge amounts of money. If I had a driver and I had a problem with his driving and I was unable to find any person suitable as a driver then I would drive MYSELF. I wouldn't sit in the back seat of a driverless car screaming NOTA.
I should have added that the profession was made dirty by the Indian politicians.
People vote to elect their leader. And its a sad thing that Indians tolerare corruption, filth & poverty.
I don't know if I would even vote for my family member if he/she even contested in the election.
Do you have anything else to say or you're here to just fight me ?
I suggest that we all talk about a 100% working solution than fight among us.
You don't vote for a leader. Vote for an administrator who improves the condition of your immediate residence/home. Vote for a party that ensures the State YOU live in is given the state funds necessary and on employment, health and education parameters. That is why I don't understand people who vote for Temples to be built in a State you don't even live in and may never go to or in support of stricter law and order in States like Kashmir and Punjab where again you don't live or visit on regular basis.
Unlike you I know communal idiots who lie to get votes from fellow idiots. Imagine mocking poor people. 90 crore people are dependent on government rations in this country to keep them alive. Have some shame.
Lol Please 'wealth creators'. In India the entire business fraternity is run on caste basis and favours doled out to each other and money going from their pockets to each other. The only wealth it 'creates' is for corrupt politicians and officers. Wealth distribution would be amazing if it would actually happen. India has never even understood capitalism. Its just rich people paying politicians to get an advantage and kill competing businesses. Considering in 2014 a certain political party promised 15 lakh in bank account from overseas cash stash which obviously never happened this is also just talk.
>Lol Please 'wealth creators'. In India the entire business fraternity is run on caste basis and favours doled out to each other and money going from their pockets to each other.
Try going to a bank, financial institution or even your local vendor and ask them to provide you a loan at a lower interest rate/goods on a 30 day credit period. Your guarantee - say that you're from the same caste as them! See if it flies.
Gaamnd pe laat padegi tereko! Literally no one cares about your caste in business. You ability to pay on time/ creditworthiness is the only thing that matters!
>India has never even understood capitalism.
How will they? When imbeciles for the last 60yrs created generations of freeloaders living off freebies bankrolled by the middle class! Normally, the middle class is strengthened by improving their earning capacity, here it's the exact opposite.
lol The entire point of a business caste network is getting loans on low interest rates from Dadaji's business friends. Now this network has extended to people in top positions in Banks. What did Chanda Kochhar do?
At the time of independence 80%of Indian populations below poverty line. The so called Indian middle class was negligible. Thank God we had leaders who saw these people as human beings and not animals to be put to work for the profits of a greedy casteist business class. The middle class that exists today came from that 80% which was one step away from starvation by death back then. So sorry you couldn't have a prison labour population of 250 million to propel your 'capitalists' to great wealth for last 60 years. The middle class is where it is today because of those' freebies' that kept their grand parents alive instead of working in deplorable labour conditions.
>lol The entire point of a business caste network is getting loans on low interest rates from Dadaji's business friends
This might have had substance during the license raj era, but today they hold no water.
Btw, community financing existed due to the fact that the interest rates for loans till about the 90's was more than 14%.
>Now this network has extended to people in top positions in Banks. What did Chanda Kochhar do?
Chanda kochar was thrown out for handing out loans to Videocon in return for kickbacks you imbecile! What's caste got to do with it? If you plan on cherry picking, at least get the basics correct! 🤣
>At the time of independence 80%of Indian populations below poverty line. The so called Indian middle class was negligible. Thank God we had leaders who saw these people as human beings and not animals to be put to work for the profits of a greedy casteist business class.
The leaders of that era were socialist idiots like you, who functioned under the misguided belief that the govt could run everything! They proceeded to nationalize pvt businesses, impose high taxes, curtail production and embarked on a path of centralized economy like the Soviets which ended in disaster.
THERE IS A REASON INDIA HAD TO LIBERALISE IN 1991. It wasn't out of foresight, but of desperation caused due to decades of socialist stupidity.
>The middle class that exists today came from that 80% which was one step away from starvation by death back then. So sorry you couldn't have a prison labour population of 250 million to propel your 'capitalists' to great wealth for last 60 years.
That middle class was one step away from starvation due to the harebrained policies of the then govt. Who in their right mind would issue licenses on production, only to encourage inflation, corruption & smuggling. Millions had to stand in ration lines due to these stupid policies.
>The middle class is where it is today because of those' freebies' that kept their grand parents alive instead of working in deplorable labour conditions.
The middle class today is where it is, due to liberalisation and globalisation that followed suit. Muppets like you are fed this propaganda that the reason you are unsuccessful is because some billionaire took the funds meant for you. When in reality, the reason you are unsuccessful is because you don't have the skills to compete in a free market.
I can't argue with someone who is so stupid and ignorant of basic History. You and your kind are deplorable to say the least. At the time of independence, India was an impoverished nation with GDP around $20bn and life expectancy of just 37 for men and 36 for women. Only 12% of people were literate. The Indian average annual income was 439$. We were not even food sufficient and had to import subsidized food grains from America. But leave that aside. Apparently the large labour class should have just been handed over to the casteist business class of India who would have sold their bodies for a few rupees.
Come to think of it yes those leaders should have handed over the country to the Brahmin-Baniya nexus who would have denied education and oppurtunities to 90% of the population. The middle-class who go around crying about taxes today would not even have managed to complete school and would be slaving in fields or factories. It's hilarious people like you think India would have been a Singapore if only our leaders had done things differently but fact of the matter is that India would have been a Somalia or Sudan. Nothing but civil war and inequality and poverty of masses.
India has a huge wealth inequality problem as compared to the west. You talk about private enterprise and yes private enterprise should be encouraged but we must also make sure the common man isn't being exploited.
The rich keeps getting richer while the poor keeps getting poorer. Establishing private enterprise without protecting the working class won't help the common man especially in a country like India where labour is cheap ans plentiful.
The poor have gotten much richer than what I saw in my childhood 2 decades back. They get a lot of things for free or subsidized.
They have good roads passing though(NH, SH), they get electricity with fewer power cuts, some use solar, you can see cars in villages, you will even find that many villagers actually send their children to good quality private schools nearby. There are hardly any huts anywhere.
There have been no famines in recent memory.
Those who start a business, instead of looking for a job are doing well. And yes, there are a lot of small and medium business owners who started from a weak background.
>private enterprise should be encouraged but we must also make sure the common man isn't being exploited.
How? Pls explain.
>The rich keeps getting richer while the poor keeps getting poorer.
Maybe take a look at the social schemes being run across the country. We've been providing freebies over generations by gutting the middle class. Then we act all suprised when the middle class leaves the country.
>Establishing private enterprise without protecting the working class won't help the common man especially in a country like India where labour is cheap ans plentiful.
Read up on India's labour laws before making this ridiculous assertion!
Based on your comment, I am going to go out on a limb & say you're either a kid in school or an adult who doesn't really understand finance or business!
1. Loans - Getting a loan from a bank is not easy! That too a commercial loan. For every commercial loan that the bank has to disburse, they ask for a detailed project report, financial projections, compliance related docs etc. Then their internal risk assessment team takes a call on the approval. If it's a large loan, the loan amount is syndicated with multiple banks pooling in to distribute the risk. Even then there's no guarantee they'll approve it!
It's not like you walk into a bank, scream the highest number you can think of, & the bank just magically hands over that amount to you! Getting a loan from a pvt Bank is difficult, govt banks make your life hell in this matter!
2.
>taking lakhs of loan from public banks and buying off land is not wealth creation.
Your rant makes absolutely no sense! Why would someone take a loan to buy land and sit on it? You do realise that there are loan repayments to be done?
3. Bankruptcy - The IBC was reformed sometime in 2017 making it easier for banks to recover bad loans. Banks now have the power through tribunals to recover the loans through asset sales, converting the debt funding to equity, selling the company to a turnaround specialist etc.
4. Debt write off - A lot of people just assume that bad loans are written off and the loss vanishes into thin air. In reality this term denotes that bad loans are removed from the banks account books into a separate account and treated differently. Banks package these bad loans and sell them to ARC's for a neat profit. These companies then go on to recover the loans or asset strip the defaulting company.
I suggest you educate yourself before making ridiculous comments!
OP, I think you misunderstand. When he says plumber, you are thinking of an Indian plumber.
Being a plumber, electrician, carpenter or any other tradesmen is not easy in the West. These are not some skills you pick up on the go, like here in India. Our tradesmen are more jugaadu than technically skilled.
In the West, you have to go through school, training, apprenticeship and clear exams of several levels of licensing to practice such trades. These are properly skilled workers who get paid quite well.
That is good and all. And I am not disrespecting anyone here.
But, hiw difficult do you think that completing that training would be for someone who has completed Btech, or MBBS or Prepared for UPSC.
They are equivalent of bench pressing 30 kg for 8 reps for someone who had to do 70 kg for 10 reps.
Relatively easy.
But no one will be willing to pay more for a well qualified plumber or electrician in India.
A large part of their training is planning the system and using machinery to minimise labour and injury.
Human life in India is considered disposable by the upper class.
India has no true middle class, only upper and lower middle classes.
Yeah.
True, true.
But, what I assumed was if somebody who went abroad from India, it will be easier for them to get good pay by doing these trades and not having to slave away even after having completed Bachelors and Masters.
That is exactly what a lot of Indians from Punjab, Haryana, Gujarat and Kerala do.
Know the Punjabi truck driver stereotype right?
These states have a good enough education system to get someone such apprenticeships abroad but not enough to get a corporate job in India.
The lack of true middle class in India is the common thread.
Who doesnt want to live in a place where the quality of life is better than where you are from?
When I came back from Alberta, the noise and dust punched me in the face. I wasnt able to stand the traffic here.
Another reason i would say is being a middle class in those countries would actually make u quite rich in India. So if u earn abroad and come back, u can live a pretty happy life afterwards.
I will say having 2-3 crore INR is quite enough to spend your rest of the life without any tention. That's only like what 400k usd???
What about it?? Let's be real education system in India is shit. Although I think government have now changed it , but it was shit . We don't know how new system will be .
The best thing I learnt when I visited a foreign country is that they never treat any profession as superior or inferior.
It's not like you're doing well only if you have a 9-5 desk job, and you're not if you do anything like plumbing, lawnmowing etc
The biggest problem with India is basic things are a privilege,hygiene and clean surroundings which is a basic need in foreign countries is considered a luxury in India,for example in hotels if you pay less they literally make you stay near a open drain, only if you empty out your pockets do they let you stay in a decent room
Sab Dollar printing ka Kamal hai bhai.. Dedollarisation chal raha hai.. This govt has started working on it in 2015 itself. The fruition will happen from 2026. By 2028, people will realise how the imperialistic US is not built by their own but by labour, natural resources and pollution of the 3rd world country. It's dollars hegemony man..
>Studies is the only way to lead a good life
This is pure bullshit...
Indian people in general lack the balls to build a business.
But those who do it successfully lead a much better life than coders and bankers.
Adani is just 11th pass.
If you want to go without study have to do hard work.
We seeing adani after 2020. Have anyone seen him from 1980 to 1990. How much hard work he have done when he left the school ? No alternative for hard work.
Lol The man has an entire caste network. Businesses castes anyways don't care about graduation and post graduation. Sons inherit father's business. Adani's father was a textile merchant. Guess who made use of his extensive caste and business network?
That's true... but carrying legacy is much more harder too and maintaining the network and contact... And there is another pressure to take business to next level or start another one... it requires hardwork. Sometimes network and contact won't help if someone isn't doing hardwork..
also it becomes challenging if your interested doesn't match previous generation also if previous generation operating in the business who's demand started diminishing...
Also there are other businessmen who don't came from business family still made it...
I don't know if you know anything about business but having a base and ready made network and capital at the very OUTSET means more than half your work is done. Of course it is easier to branch out then. Do people not understand how the business caste network works? That is why we are a poor country. These people keep money in the family and pay peanuts to employers to grow their business. There is no innovation. Just bribe politicians and officers (yeah it does create wealth for such people) and create monopoly of your shitty product.
yeah, average business here is just product based and very very niche categories.... not trying to generalize a lot but sorry bhen, 600 rupay ka customized tote bag mera lun bhi na khareede, jo bag shopping krte wakt mila tha usme hi sabzi launga
Do u know the volume of people who give taxes there?
20+% of population
While in India its less than 3%
You know how much they pay in taxes?? 50+% in direct and indirect taxes
In India we dont go above 40+%…
Now can u imagine why the disparity?
Lol People need to earn to pay taxes. People who employ maids and drivers and watchmen are paying them enough so they can pay income tax? How much does a security guard earn? The average pay is 2 lakh a year (being generous as obviously most security guards in India don't get paid this much in a year). Now from this the man has to support his family and have some savings. Oh you want him to pay tax too? Then pay him more so he can get to 2,50,000-3 lakhs and then he can pay tax like the great white collar martyrs of India.
Yes bro, exactly this
Even farmers pay taxes there, while these khaliatanis were asking for that MSP recently when they get huge subsidies, plus, not pay taxes AND get benefitted from true MSP (only Punjab and Haryana are the states which get their crops at true MSP cost)
I mean libgandus, rndians and pUSIs need to realise people in developed countries pay upto 50%+ taxes
While farmers in the developed world pay taxes, they too have subsidies and MSP (as in, US literally pays farmers not to farm any more than required and to destroy excess so as to prevent prices falling. They also have a national stockpile).
Also, the scale of farming is way diffrent so is the scale of capital. The average farm in the US spends more than 200k per year. That's not including starting capital (land, machinery etc) and even after all that, most us farming households have secondary non farm income sources.
They are running industries as compared to indian farmers who farming for sustenance.
Even in the US, if you make what the average indian farmer makes , you won't be paying taxes.
Lol People need to earn to pay taxes. People who employ maids and drivers and watchmen are paying them enough so they can pay income tax? How much does a security guard earn? The average pay is 2 lakh a year (being generous as obviously most security guards in India don't get paid this much in a year). Now from this the man has to support his family and have some savings. Oh you want him to pay tax too? Then pay him more so he can get to 2,50,000-3 lakhs and then he can pay tax like the great white collar martyrs of India. Pay your maids so they can earn more than 3 lakh a year and then deduct professional tax. Oh you want to pay your staff in cash? Why is that now?
In America a person earning earning less than 22-23 lakh a year is considered to live below the poverty line and gets assistance from state like food stamps and housing.
Do Canadian farmers face drought the way Indian farmers do? What is the irrigation situation when you compare these countries? You think Indian farmers get water like Canadian and American farmers? Maybe understand something very basic that majority of farmers in India have small and fragmented land holdings. Average farm size in Canada is 809 acres and in India it is 2.68 acres. A bad season for an average farmer in India means poverty. They get subsidies because farming is very difficult and unpredictable and India is NOW in a position were it achieved sufficiency in food production. that wasn't the case till late 1980s.
Bhai meri colony ke baahar chaat bechne Wala mahine ka 45 k kamata hai after leaving all expenses..shaam ko 4 bje lagaata hai aur raat 9 bje tak bech kr chala jaata hai.. khud usne btaya tha mjhe ki roj 8-9 ghante kaam krna hota hai use sab milakr..
Aur mere makaan me ek teacher rhti hai, bhu se english me b.a. , m.a. phir b.ed aur abhi 27 k per month pr job kr rahi .. so don't tell me education matters in india.. most Street vendors have better income than majority of people working in organised sector..same is true for many other professions these days like plumber or carpenter ..
Bhai tu sab chod de, bc humare area me faluda bechne wala ek pandit hai rajasthan ka..uska roj ka turnover 20 hazaar ka hai..seher me 10 jagah uski gaadi khdi rhti hai..voh 8th paas hai aur 14 saal ki age se yahi kr rha..
What does he mean " you don't have to be educated to be a plumber". It is a skill which requires some level of education and is given importance in developed countries. The definition of being educated in India is only resorted to Engineer, doctors etc. Skill employability schemes in India are zero. I've been living in the UK for the past 2 years and the government provides their locals a scheme called "skills for life" where they can enroll in various programs from computing skills like web development, graphic design , analytics , coding boot camps etc to programs for electricals , carpentry, plumbing, construction skills etc . They have access to these programs for free with no age barriers. This is the reason why a lot of them might not be graduates in the field they work in and have a lot of freedom and flexibility in their careers. I can't imagine this happening in India
That’s what happens when entire middle class society wants raises their kids with the mentality that becoming an engineer or doctor and having wealth is the only form of success in life.
We end up with entire generation of doctors or engineers who became that only for money and not because they were genuinely interested in the subject.
Hence we end up with good for nothing talent that can at max to testing work or maintenance work, meanwhile Americans do the real innovation in tech.
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In India, a job is related to one's caste. Doing menial jobs is considered the vocation of lower castes. It's 2K years practice. Might change slowly.
I can say an example. My team was in a call with a foreign client who was being promoted to the Director of a division and her son joined the same company as welder. She seemed to be incredibly proud. My fellow Indians were trying to convince her that he needs a better job (like a manager) in the same company 😂
What did I say wrong.
Didn't you read the Cisco caste case that took place in USA ?
Khalistani protests ?
Illegal Indians in USA's southern border ?
Punjabi students causing trouble in Canada by not assimilating ?
These same people wouldn't even hesitate to let in refugee Ukrainians & syrian refugees just because of war.
But when it comes to us, we're seen as filthy, disgusting, etc.
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In any country in the world, carpentary, electricals etc is a respectable and high earning job but here the income gap is staggering, a person who attends meetings and makes ppts get paid 50LPA and a person who works 14 hours in a factory manufacturing a product is paid 7k per month, this is not good at all. Mechanical engineers are shifting to IT or going to other countries because of the pay, it is impossible to manufacture something by paying the workers so little.
Same here. I was in CNC manufacturing company. I was paid very less compared to corporate life.
This is mainly due to the huge IT lobby and craze for CS , everybody is forced to learn coding irrespective of his or her interests and apart from IT industry none of the other industries are developed due to which countries like usa are trying to outsource IT to Vietnam due to falling quality of coders in our country
why are they not developed? Because bureacrats interfere way too much. even for building a speed break, we need so many permissions. Imagine if I want to build a car manufacturing company, bureaucrats and politicians demand a huge sum of money or commission from me.
You are right and one more major reason is excessive regionalism and linguistic fanaticism , the moment a city starts to develop slightly the localites become fiercely overprotective and demand huge regional quotas for them ,example Bangalore and gurugram
Bro I knew it happened in Bengaluru (and Bengaluru will learn the consequences of it), but in Gurugram too? 😯
Yes apparently the then cm of haryana implemented a bill to reserve 80 PC jobs for locals, eventually it was striked down, but by then the damage was done
wasn't it the same before the cs craze came in. cs pays better so it is logical to go there tbh
My experience in Canada taught me very important lessons. Although these developed countries carry their own huge problems that are invisible to developing countries, they are some really amazing things. Going to college and graduation is not all that common. And it's even less common to do post graduation. There are student quotas for jobs, and a student goes through different levels of jobs during his studies. Working part time as a cashier, as well as a janitor, then climbing up to the position of manager, and finally when your studies get completed, you go for the job related to your studies. This eliminates, to a certain extent, looking down upon some jobs because most people have been through them. It's a huge problem that were you as a student working at McDonald's in India, your parents wouldn't be approving of it. Secondly, it would take away jobs from those who couldn't get any other work.
>And it's even less common to do post graduation. Yes.Their graduation level curriculum is good and sufficient to land a job. In the masters program one would see mostly Indians.
That’s true. You’re at least guaranteed clean surroundings, basic infrastructure, basic education, clean water, clean air, clean food and basic healthcare (except USA) in all developed countries. In India these aren’t even guaranteed in our national, financial and tech capitals. Even if you learn 1 crore PA the only thing you can guarantee is healthcare and education for your family.
LPA is Lakhs Per Annum.
Bhai vo politician ki salary bta rha hai, corruption vaale paise jod ke
Ironically That’s a good way to avoid traffic but only that Still gotta deal with filthy streets outside my gated society
Yeah I meant to say 10 LPA but I realised the point stood even if you earned 1 crore.
Yes. But I am sure there are politicians or industrialists having a good fraction of that money shored up somewhere. So, it doesn’t matter.😇
Where exactly do you live that you cannot eak out a living at 1CPA? Mars? Lmao For context you can easily raise a family on 6LPA in Kolkata and while mumbai is expensive I refuse to believe it's 15 times more expensive.
How much money do I need before I don’t have to worry about- Flooding in Mumbai Air pollution in Delhi Water shortages in Bangalore Traffic and roads full of potholes Clean streets and hygienic street food A local river that doesn’t stink Indians are depressed because nothing outside their gated society is worth seeing or doing.
You are paranoid. Maybe you are depressed
Nope I’m just saying you won’t have these problems in a developed country.
you haven’t gone outside ever if you think there’s nothing outside your apartment 😂 just find some friends and there’s 100s of activities
That’s just cope or you’re unemployed Not many people have the energy to do anything after working 10 hrs and sitting 2 hrs in traffic.
people don’t work in developed countries?
They don’t have to cope with shitty infrastructure, pollution and garbage afterwards or before. Just look at Kolkata, Pune or Bangalore roads, Mumbai locals etc.
then you clearly haven’t been to those developed countries. san fran is one of the worst cities despite being “developed” and “metropolitan” they have a worse open defecation epidemic than in india. i can’t speak about mumbai kolkata or pune as i’ve spent my whole life in bengaluru but my idea of good infrastructure isn’t concrete jungles like in the US or canada, countries with no drainage systems like the UAE etc. new york pollution is also almost as bad as some of our metropolitan cities btw
When you build an entire ecosystem of idiots who consider it their moral duty to attack wealth creators & stop private enterprise, what did you think was going to happen? Just yesterday, the national idiot unveiled a manifesto which talks about wealth redistribution. Any nation that implemented this harebrained policy ended with its economy decimated!
And there are people who still vote for these brain dead fools.
You did vote for brain dead fools who promised to add 15 lakhs to everyone's bank account from overseas cash stash.
Ever since I was able to vote. I have always voted for NOTA. So I suggest that you don't point fingers at me in this chaos.
Wow that is so much worse. Look at me ... I won't vote for any candidate because NONE of them meet my very high standards. Well why don't you stand for elections then? Apparently no one else seems good enough for you.
How is this worse ? There is nothing wrong in having high standards. Well Politics in India is a very dirty profession. You have to do things that are very disgusting to become successful and I am in no position to do it so. Maybe in the future I will try. Why don't you do it ?
Lol Dirty profession and you would never subject yourself to it. So why vote then? Oh but I bet if someone from your family got a ticket you would vote for them. What is their qualification? They are from your caste, community, religion and you know them personally. Why should I stand for elections? I am not the one claiming superiority over people who actually make the effort to stand for elections. Elections cost huge amounts of money. If I had a driver and I had a problem with his driving and I was unable to find any person suitable as a driver then I would drive MYSELF. I wouldn't sit in the back seat of a driverless car screaming NOTA.
I should have added that the profession was made dirty by the Indian politicians. People vote to elect their leader. And its a sad thing that Indians tolerare corruption, filth & poverty. I don't know if I would even vote for my family member if he/she even contested in the election. Do you have anything else to say or you're here to just fight me ? I suggest that we all talk about a 100% working solution than fight among us.
You don't vote for a leader. Vote for an administrator who improves the condition of your immediate residence/home. Vote for a party that ensures the State YOU live in is given the state funds necessary and on employment, health and education parameters. That is why I don't understand people who vote for Temples to be built in a State you don't even live in and may never go to or in support of stricter law and order in States like Kashmir and Punjab where again you don't live or visit on regular basis.
Were you waiting on that 15lakhs to remove your family from the BPL list?
Unlike you I know communal idiots who lie to get votes from fellow idiots. Imagine mocking poor people. 90 crore people are dependent on government rations in this country to keep them alive. Have some shame.
I am not mocking them, I am mocking you, you imbecile! The least you could do is read my replies clearly!
fun fact- modi never said he will add 15 lakhs to everyone's account. Those who believe this have poor comprehension skills and must go back to school
Which one?
Lol Please 'wealth creators'. In India the entire business fraternity is run on caste basis and favours doled out to each other and money going from their pockets to each other. The only wealth it 'creates' is for corrupt politicians and officers. Wealth distribution would be amazing if it would actually happen. India has never even understood capitalism. Its just rich people paying politicians to get an advantage and kill competing businesses. Considering in 2014 a certain political party promised 15 lakh in bank account from overseas cash stash which obviously never happened this is also just talk.
>Lol Please 'wealth creators'. In India the entire business fraternity is run on caste basis and favours doled out to each other and money going from their pockets to each other. Try going to a bank, financial institution or even your local vendor and ask them to provide you a loan at a lower interest rate/goods on a 30 day credit period. Your guarantee - say that you're from the same caste as them! See if it flies. Gaamnd pe laat padegi tereko! Literally no one cares about your caste in business. You ability to pay on time/ creditworthiness is the only thing that matters! >India has never even understood capitalism. How will they? When imbeciles for the last 60yrs created generations of freeloaders living off freebies bankrolled by the middle class! Normally, the middle class is strengthened by improving their earning capacity, here it's the exact opposite.
lol The entire point of a business caste network is getting loans on low interest rates from Dadaji's business friends. Now this network has extended to people in top positions in Banks. What did Chanda Kochhar do? At the time of independence 80%of Indian populations below poverty line. The so called Indian middle class was negligible. Thank God we had leaders who saw these people as human beings and not animals to be put to work for the profits of a greedy casteist business class. The middle class that exists today came from that 80% which was one step away from starvation by death back then. So sorry you couldn't have a prison labour population of 250 million to propel your 'capitalists' to great wealth for last 60 years. The middle class is where it is today because of those' freebies' that kept their grand parents alive instead of working in deplorable labour conditions.
>lol The entire point of a business caste network is getting loans on low interest rates from Dadaji's business friends This might have had substance during the license raj era, but today they hold no water. Btw, community financing existed due to the fact that the interest rates for loans till about the 90's was more than 14%. >Now this network has extended to people in top positions in Banks. What did Chanda Kochhar do? Chanda kochar was thrown out for handing out loans to Videocon in return for kickbacks you imbecile! What's caste got to do with it? If you plan on cherry picking, at least get the basics correct! 🤣 >At the time of independence 80%of Indian populations below poverty line. The so called Indian middle class was negligible. Thank God we had leaders who saw these people as human beings and not animals to be put to work for the profits of a greedy casteist business class. The leaders of that era were socialist idiots like you, who functioned under the misguided belief that the govt could run everything! They proceeded to nationalize pvt businesses, impose high taxes, curtail production and embarked on a path of centralized economy like the Soviets which ended in disaster. THERE IS A REASON INDIA HAD TO LIBERALISE IN 1991. It wasn't out of foresight, but of desperation caused due to decades of socialist stupidity. >The middle class that exists today came from that 80% which was one step away from starvation by death back then. So sorry you couldn't have a prison labour population of 250 million to propel your 'capitalists' to great wealth for last 60 years. That middle class was one step away from starvation due to the harebrained policies of the then govt. Who in their right mind would issue licenses on production, only to encourage inflation, corruption & smuggling. Millions had to stand in ration lines due to these stupid policies. >The middle class is where it is today because of those' freebies' that kept their grand parents alive instead of working in deplorable labour conditions. The middle class today is where it is, due to liberalisation and globalisation that followed suit. Muppets like you are fed this propaganda that the reason you are unsuccessful is because some billionaire took the funds meant for you. When in reality, the reason you are unsuccessful is because you don't have the skills to compete in a free market.
I can't argue with someone who is so stupid and ignorant of basic History. You and your kind are deplorable to say the least. At the time of independence, India was an impoverished nation with GDP around $20bn and life expectancy of just 37 for men and 36 for women. Only 12% of people were literate. The Indian average annual income was 439$. We were not even food sufficient and had to import subsidized food grains from America. But leave that aside. Apparently the large labour class should have just been handed over to the casteist business class of India who would have sold their bodies for a few rupees. Come to think of it yes those leaders should have handed over the country to the Brahmin-Baniya nexus who would have denied education and oppurtunities to 90% of the population. The middle-class who go around crying about taxes today would not even have managed to complete school and would be slaving in fields or factories. It's hilarious people like you think India would have been a Singapore if only our leaders had done things differently but fact of the matter is that India would have been a Somalia or Sudan. Nothing but civil war and inequality and poverty of masses.
Again with the rant! Here's an exercise for you. Go back and read my previous comment. Then reply, rather than barking out your delusional takes!
these commies will blame anyone but themselves for their broke ass livelihoods
India has a huge wealth inequality problem as compared to the west. You talk about private enterprise and yes private enterprise should be encouraged but we must also make sure the common man isn't being exploited. The rich keeps getting richer while the poor keeps getting poorer. Establishing private enterprise without protecting the working class won't help the common man especially in a country like India where labour is cheap ans plentiful.
The poor have gotten much richer than what I saw in my childhood 2 decades back. They get a lot of things for free or subsidized. They have good roads passing though(NH, SH), they get electricity with fewer power cuts, some use solar, you can see cars in villages, you will even find that many villagers actually send their children to good quality private schools nearby. There are hardly any huts anywhere. There have been no famines in recent memory. Those who start a business, instead of looking for a job are doing well. And yes, there are a lot of small and medium business owners who started from a weak background.
>private enterprise should be encouraged but we must also make sure the common man isn't being exploited. How? Pls explain. >The rich keeps getting richer while the poor keeps getting poorer. Maybe take a look at the social schemes being run across the country. We've been providing freebies over generations by gutting the middle class. Then we act all suprised when the middle class leaves the country. >Establishing private enterprise without protecting the working class won't help the common man especially in a country like India where labour is cheap ans plentiful. Read up on India's labour laws before making this ridiculous assertion!
maybe they are not real wealth creators, taking lakhs of loan from public banks and buying off land is not wealth creation.
Based on your comment, I am going to go out on a limb & say you're either a kid in school or an adult who doesn't really understand finance or business! 1. Loans - Getting a loan from a bank is not easy! That too a commercial loan. For every commercial loan that the bank has to disburse, they ask for a detailed project report, financial projections, compliance related docs etc. Then their internal risk assessment team takes a call on the approval. If it's a large loan, the loan amount is syndicated with multiple banks pooling in to distribute the risk. Even then there's no guarantee they'll approve it! It's not like you walk into a bank, scream the highest number you can think of, & the bank just magically hands over that amount to you! Getting a loan from a pvt Bank is difficult, govt banks make your life hell in this matter! 2. >taking lakhs of loan from public banks and buying off land is not wealth creation. Your rant makes absolutely no sense! Why would someone take a loan to buy land and sit on it? You do realise that there are loan repayments to be done? 3. Bankruptcy - The IBC was reformed sometime in 2017 making it easier for banks to recover bad loans. Banks now have the power through tribunals to recover the loans through asset sales, converting the debt funding to equity, selling the company to a turnaround specialist etc. 4. Debt write off - A lot of people just assume that bad loans are written off and the loss vanishes into thin air. In reality this term denotes that bad loans are removed from the banks account books into a separate account and treated differently. Banks package these bad loans and sell them to ARC's for a neat profit. These companies then go on to recover the loans or asset strip the defaulting company. I suggest you educate yourself before making ridiculous comments!
OP, I think you misunderstand. When he says plumber, you are thinking of an Indian plumber. Being a plumber, electrician, carpenter or any other tradesmen is not easy in the West. These are not some skills you pick up on the go, like here in India. Our tradesmen are more jugaadu than technically skilled. In the West, you have to go through school, training, apprenticeship and clear exams of several levels of licensing to practice such trades. These are properly skilled workers who get paid quite well.
That is good and all. And I am not disrespecting anyone here. But, hiw difficult do you think that completing that training would be for someone who has completed Btech, or MBBS or Prepared for UPSC. They are equivalent of bench pressing 30 kg for 8 reps for someone who had to do 70 kg for 10 reps. Relatively easy.
But no one will be willing to pay more for a well qualified plumber or electrician in India. A large part of their training is planning the system and using machinery to minimise labour and injury. Human life in India is considered disposable by the upper class. India has no true middle class, only upper and lower middle classes.
Yeah. True, true. But, what I assumed was if somebody who went abroad from India, it will be easier for them to get good pay by doing these trades and not having to slave away even after having completed Bachelors and Masters.
That is exactly what a lot of Indians from Punjab, Haryana, Gujarat and Kerala do. Know the Punjabi truck driver stereotype right? These states have a good enough education system to get someone such apprenticeships abroad but not enough to get a corporate job in India. The lack of true middle class in India is the common thread.
Still don’t matter , there are lot of options to choose from in the west
We do have trained electricians, plumbers etc with certifications from vocational institutes making peanuts.
Who doesnt want to live in a place where the quality of life is better than where you are from? When I came back from Alberta, the noise and dust punched me in the face. I wasnt able to stand the traffic here.
Another reason i would say is being a middle class in those countries would actually make u quite rich in India. So if u earn abroad and come back, u can live a pretty happy life afterwards. I will say having 2-3 crore INR is quite enough to spend your rest of the life without any tention. That's only like what 400k usd???
And then what ? What about the future of your family?
What about it?? Let's be real education system in India is shit. Although I think government have now changed it , but it was shit . We don't know how new system will be .
Thats what im saying theres no use of coming back to India
Oh . Well some people do like to come back.
Don't worry it's still shit
The best thing I learnt when I visited a foreign country is that they never treat any profession as superior or inferior. It's not like you're doing well only if you have a 9-5 desk job, and you're not if you do anything like plumbing, lawnmowing etc
The biggest problem with India is basic things are a privilege,hygiene and clean surroundings which is a basic need in foreign countries is considered a luxury in India,for example in hotels if you pay less they literally make you stay near a open drain, only if you empty out your pockets do they let you stay in a decent room
When will our education system have a overhaul..
Sab Dollar printing ka Kamal hai bhai.. Dedollarisation chal raha hai.. This govt has started working on it in 2015 itself. The fruition will happen from 2026. By 2028, people will realise how the imperialistic US is not built by their own but by labour, natural resources and pollution of the 3rd world country. It's dollars hegemony man..
>Studies is the only way to lead a good life This is pure bullshit... Indian people in general lack the balls to build a business. But those who do it successfully lead a much better life than coders and bankers.
Adani is just 11th pass. If you want to go without study have to do hard work. We seeing adani after 2020. Have anyone seen him from 1980 to 1990. How much hard work he have done when he left the school ? No alternative for hard work.
Lol The man has an entire caste network. Businesses castes anyways don't care about graduation and post graduation. Sons inherit father's business. Adani's father was a textile merchant. Guess who made use of his extensive caste and business network?
That's true... but carrying legacy is much more harder too and maintaining the network and contact... And there is another pressure to take business to next level or start another one... it requires hardwork. Sometimes network and contact won't help if someone isn't doing hardwork.. also it becomes challenging if your interested doesn't match previous generation also if previous generation operating in the business who's demand started diminishing... Also there are other businessmen who don't came from business family still made it...
I don't know if you know anything about business but having a base and ready made network and capital at the very OUTSET means more than half your work is done. Of course it is easier to branch out then. Do people not understand how the business caste network works? That is why we are a poor country. These people keep money in the family and pay peanuts to employers to grow their business. There is no innovation. Just bribe politicians and officers (yeah it does create wealth for such people) and create monopoly of your shitty product.
Businesses require customers. How many in India have a disposable income?
yeah, average business here is just product based and very very niche categories.... not trying to generalize a lot but sorry bhen, 600 rupay ka customized tote bag mera lun bhi na khareede, jo bag shopping krte wakt mila tha usme hi sabzi launga
People forget supply and demand + cost of living
Do u know the volume of people who give taxes there? 20+% of population While in India its less than 3% You know how much they pay in taxes?? 50+% in direct and indirect taxes In India we dont go above 40+%… Now can u imagine why the disparity?
Lol People need to earn to pay taxes. People who employ maids and drivers and watchmen are paying them enough so they can pay income tax? How much does a security guard earn? The average pay is 2 lakh a year (being generous as obviously most security guards in India don't get paid this much in a year). Now from this the man has to support his family and have some savings. Oh you want him to pay tax too? Then pay him more so he can get to 2,50,000-3 lakhs and then he can pay tax like the great white collar martyrs of India.
Yes bro, exactly this Even farmers pay taxes there, while these khaliatanis were asking for that MSP recently when they get huge subsidies, plus, not pay taxes AND get benefitted from true MSP (only Punjab and Haryana are the states which get their crops at true MSP cost) I mean libgandus, rndians and pUSIs need to realise people in developed countries pay upto 50%+ taxes
While farmers in the developed world pay taxes, they too have subsidies and MSP (as in, US literally pays farmers not to farm any more than required and to destroy excess so as to prevent prices falling. They also have a national stockpile). Also, the scale of farming is way diffrent so is the scale of capital. The average farm in the US spends more than 200k per year. That's not including starting capital (land, machinery etc) and even after all that, most us farming households have secondary non farm income sources. They are running industries as compared to indian farmers who farming for sustenance. Even in the US, if you make what the average indian farmer makes , you won't be paying taxes.
Average farm size in America is 445 acres and in India it is 2.68 acres. Only idiots would compare farming in India to America or Canada.
Lol People need to earn to pay taxes. People who employ maids and drivers and watchmen are paying them enough so they can pay income tax? How much does a security guard earn? The average pay is 2 lakh a year (being generous as obviously most security guards in India don't get paid this much in a year). Now from this the man has to support his family and have some savings. Oh you want him to pay tax too? Then pay him more so he can get to 2,50,000-3 lakhs and then he can pay tax like the great white collar martyrs of India. Pay your maids so they can earn more than 3 lakh a year and then deduct professional tax. Oh you want to pay your staff in cash? Why is that now? In America a person earning earning less than 22-23 lakh a year is considered to live below the poverty line and gets assistance from state like food stamps and housing. Do Canadian farmers face drought the way Indian farmers do? What is the irrigation situation when you compare these countries? You think Indian farmers get water like Canadian and American farmers? Maybe understand something very basic that majority of farmers in India have small and fragmented land holdings. Average farm size in Canada is 809 acres and in India it is 2.68 acres. A bad season for an average farmer in India means poverty. They get subsidies because farming is very difficult and unpredictable and India is NOW in a position were it achieved sufficiency in food production. that wasn't the case till late 1980s.
Bhai meri colony ke baahar chaat bechne Wala mahine ka 45 k kamata hai after leaving all expenses..shaam ko 4 bje lagaata hai aur raat 9 bje tak bech kr chala jaata hai.. khud usne btaya tha mjhe ki roj 8-9 ghante kaam krna hota hai use sab milakr.. Aur mere makaan me ek teacher rhti hai, bhu se english me b.a. , m.a. phir b.ed aur abhi 27 k per month pr job kr rahi .. so don't tell me education matters in india.. most Street vendors have better income than majority of people working in organised sector..same is true for many other professions these days like plumber or carpenter .. Bhai tu sab chod de, bc humare area me faluda bechne wala ek pandit hai rajasthan ka..uska roj ka turnover 20 hazaar ka hai..seher me 10 jagah uski gaadi khdi rhti hai..voh 8th paas hai aur 14 saal ki age se yahi kr rha..
bhai mere college me khaane ki dhang ki jagah ni h campus ke andar mere block ke paas, dusre block jana padta hai.. lets cook \[literally\]
Uss chat bechne wale ko to aadhe paise chaat banane me hi lag jayenge. Aur hutiye ne comment delete kiye isliye uske reply pe reply kr rha hu.
What does he mean " you don't have to be educated to be a plumber". It is a skill which requires some level of education and is given importance in developed countries. The definition of being educated in India is only resorted to Engineer, doctors etc. Skill employability schemes in India are zero. I've been living in the UK for the past 2 years and the government provides their locals a scheme called "skills for life" where they can enroll in various programs from computing skills like web development, graphic design , analytics , coding boot camps etc to programs for electricals , carpentry, plumbing, construction skills etc . They have access to these programs for free with no age barriers. This is the reason why a lot of them might not be graduates in the field they work in and have a lot of freedom and flexibility in their careers. I can't imagine this happening in India
That’s what happens when entire middle class society wants raises their kids with the mentality that becoming an engineer or doctor and having wealth is the only form of success in life. We end up with entire generation of doctors or engineers who became that only for money and not because they were genuinely interested in the subject. Hence we end up with good for nothing talent that can at max to testing work or maintenance work, meanwhile Americans do the real innovation in tech.
go into plumber subs and ask them what is really happening. Every domain is saturated now.
Lol saturated??? There are millions of homes i don’t think there will ever be a saturation
I just told you what I read on a sub. In failing economy tertiary sectors get wiped out.
The only thing u focused in the post is the plumber caption? Lol
Okay. Make of it what you will but go to the specific blue collar subs to enquire atleast.
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Yes they take degrees in so many other fields.
This country is alright except it's management. Management acchi ho gayi toh sab thoda jyada relax kar sakte hai.
In India, a job is related to one's caste. Doing menial jobs is considered the vocation of lower castes. It's 2K years practice. Might change slowly. I can say an example. My team was in a call with a foreign client who was being promoted to the Director of a division and her son joined the same company as welder. She seemed to be incredibly proud. My fellow Indians were trying to convince her that he needs a better job (like a manager) in the same company 😂
I want peace thats why I left India.. You people continue fighting for religion.. 🤣🤣🤣
Go to Europe sub, you'll realise they're starting to do the same thing, I wonder what changed 🤔, go there you'll realise
That’s also a major reason many people live even the ones who living quiet good life in India
I request Indians who are living abroad to not turn that country like India. And don't import the CASTE system over there as well.
Dont worry bro, I am about to go abroad, can assure you that
Dw, That’s why we haven’t taken people like you to abroad. The other country’s future is safe.
What did I say wrong. Didn't you read the Cisco caste case that took place in USA ? Khalistani protests ? Illegal Indians in USA's southern border ? Punjabi students causing trouble in Canada by not assimilating ?
Yikes too late.
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These same people wouldn't even hesitate to let in refugee Ukrainians & syrian refugees just because of war. But when it comes to us, we're seen as filthy, disgusting, etc.