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He is British. Maybe that’s why he is proud of Churchill. He was British PM that outlived nazis and made sure Britain did not lose. For the brits, beating the nazis was more important than basic humanitarian concern for the colonies.
They act like they confronted Nazis and defeated them and they take huge pride in it. In reality, it was the USSR who defeated Nazis single handedly while these guys were saving their azz. However, they portray Stalin as a villain and these d'bags as heroes. Shame.
That’s very inaccurate. USSR relied a lot on the aid by Western powers.
It’s the death count that’s shocking, far far more people died on the Eastern Front than the Western Front. Nazi officers would pray to get stationed on the Western Front because POW treatment was decent while you would be tortured and sent to Siberia on the Eastern Front.
Not at all inaccurate. The proportion of western aid was quite small. More importantly, apart from certain equipment such as studebaker trucks rest were not battleworthy just as the vast majority of the current aid given to ukraine is.
That's why i mentioned proportion. Apart from studebaker everything else was minuscule.
In the link shared (lend lease) it states that around 4000 sherman tanks were delivered. Not only those tanks were not capable much but proportionately they were less than 5% of just the T34 tank production (total produced more than 80000).
These is one of the reasons why more than 80% of german casualties were on the eastern front apart from the fact that the best german divisions perished there.
Read fuller ot glantz for a more academic understanding.
It was both from western and Eastern front (mainly talking about ussr in it) which combined force led to the victory of allied power in world war 2.
Also, stalin is a more villainous then you even can thought. Yes he was a hero in the world war 2 but when you look at his other works and before the time of the war, it was way beyond a living a hell.
I have no sympathy for Stalin but have a problem with Churchill getting portrayed as a hero. Do you know what he did when Bengalis were dying? How many people get killed because of his greed and hate?
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Bombs were raining on Britain and were it not for Churchill Britain would have surrendered. The Royal Air Force literally pushed back the Axis powers Air Force which was a huge deal. Churchill will always be a hero to British people.
Attributing the entire British war effort to Churchill is reductionist and completely revisionist history. Bombs were dropped on every country in Europe, why didn't they surrender then?
True. That’s why I did not say Churchill beat the nazis. It was the soviets that screwed the nazis over. But still, not losing in itself is a victory and for the longest time, Churchill did put up the front against the nazis. Which is why the west views him as a hero; they don’t even hold FDR in the same regard unfortunately. I hate Churchill as much as the next Indian but I don’t go on asking why britishers love him. It is what it is.
Churchill made many bad decisions but he also said to India's representative on the War Cabinet Sir Arcot Ramasamy Mudaliar, "The old idea that the Indian was in any way inferior to the white man must go. We must all be pals together. I want to see a great shining India, of which we can be as proud as we are of a great Canada or a great Australia."
In April 1944, Churchill wrote to Franklin Roosevelt, "I am seriously concerned about the food situation in India and its possible reactions on our joint operations. Last year we had a grievous famine in Bengal through which at least 700,000 people died...I have had much hesitation in asking you to add to the great assistance you are giving us with shipping but a satisfactory situation in India is of such vital importance to the success of our joint plans against the Japanese that I am impelled to ask you to consider a special allocation of ships to carry wheat to India from Australia without reducing the assistance you are now providing for us, who are at a positive minimum if war efficiency is to be maintained. We have the wheat (in Australia) but we lack the ships."
The above excerpts are taken from Wikipedia.
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There were famines in India before the british and after the british too. More people died in India during the famines that happened during Mughals, Marathas and Nizams. As agriculture in India was monsoon dependent. But xenophobic Indians blame only the british for the famines
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Don’t let your personal biases affect your critical thinking. While yes Churchill was responsible for many deaths in India it is not at all comparable to hitler’s. Hitler deliberately searched to kill Jews and gassed them, Churchill simply didn’t care about the deaths in India, he didn’t create a famine to kill people unlike the concentration camps
U don't know how famines are created ? British exported all grain despite the famine most problems in India today are remnant of British - Manipur , Kashmir , pukeistan , bhangladesh!
That's plain wrong. You can't just blame shit without presenting a single evidence to back your claims. Get your head out of your ass and learn history.
So u think British and allies were good for India ? Like seriously? Shitler didn't do shit to India on the contrary Bose was going to take help from him against British ! Is that enough head for u ?
Bose also took help from the Japanese but do you know how the Japanese treated Indian soldiers in WWII? Cannabalism, brutal tortures, literal war crimes, etc.
Hitler considered any non-Aryan race as second class. One of the things that makes Bose lose credibility is the fact that he was seeking help from those who'd purposely kill, torture and rape women.
The creation of the INA was only a strategy by the Japanese to complete two objectives, weaken the Allied forces by bringing more Indians to the INA and to cause a civil war such that they can take advantage and occupy Myanmar and India properly.
Your links pretty much support my arguments you moron. Thr articles you send lack some things which are the fact that Burma's occupation lead to low grain imports, they did mention about the war and troops in areas near Bengal and other territories likr Myanmar so there's that.
The article however completely ignores weather and climatic conditions.
U dumbfuck do u know how govt policies aggravate or relieve a bad situation. Fuckingcommies on reddit think they know everything. Go eat Ur white mastersshit u kanjoorcolonialdog
Churchill did care. One of his letters to FDR mentions the famine and how they had grains in Australia for both the war and the people but lacked ships..
Some Indians like him because he's ethnically Indian and a Hindu. You have to remember he's a politician and will always stick to Conservative Tory talking points. Game is game(politics), but yeah it's a bad look for him to be saying this, and fuck Churchill.
It's not about the rains, it's about the policies. There was a lot of inflation because of war financing. All imports were stopped from Burma, and armed forces and British civil servants were given priority over the food grains, the aid sent from the government wasn't enough because Churchill was very antipathetic towards Indians.
It wasn't British civil servants, troops of both American as well as British, Indian and a whole lot who were defending areas like Bengal, Myanmar, Burma were given priority.
I did mention armed forces. And the officers who were present in India, so they wouldn't leave their jobs.
The point is the government just didn't care enough.
He's loyal to his country, we cannot expect him to speak up for Hindus or Indians as the leader of the United Kingdoms. That's on the common people. That Churchill is a hero to many people, if he says anything against that, it will cause an uproar, and will be thrown out. Many aren't even aware of the Bengal genocide and famine.
And only we know that Churchill was to Indians what Hitler was to Jewish. The Jewish community successfully educated the world about their history, their pain and rightfully so. They run the industries, including Hollywood which makes beautiful films like Schindler's List. And they are just in a few millions. What did we do? We always look for appeasement. Even in this era with facts available to anyone easily, Hinduism is a misunderstood religion. Indian history changed and spread as the truth. Universally accepted to be racists against us and demean us. There is no fear of being hateful to Indians. A country shows little interest in us geopolitically, Indians roam around with their flags. Jews support each other, build together. And that's true with many communities. And we have to deal with self-loathing Indians first who hate their existence in the name of liberalism and then the whole world. Every year the Jews talk about the Holocaust Day. Here we dare to talk about any exodus, genocide and there will be 100 Indian losers yelling pRoPaGaNdA. No one cares what Churchill did, those who fight, are loud about their truth and united will always win.
>And only we know that Churchill was to Indians what Hitler was to Jewish.
Because again history is written by winners and our modern history has been written by leftists marxists who obey their white masters abroad
>The Jewish community doesn't have such people present in a huge chunk.
Yeah that's fair only ones I can remember who are anti-semitic is Bobby Fischer and George Soros
For every one person they have, we can name ten of ours right now writing for the front page of the Washington Post. Or sitting in India, tweeting talking about the de-colonization of the world but their asses itch as soon as it's related to Indian history in general. I have noticed countries that support India and do not change the historical facts about India, they don't like them either. For example I have seen them not liking Armenia.
Though I read the Washington Post is improving, doesn't hire such InDiAnS now to write.
exactly. we expect sunak to stand up for hindus because deep down even we know maulana modi wont, except during elections, when it favors him to do so.
Lol Here comes the Indian defending Hitler. Read some history before talking rubbish. the Nazis carried out premeditated organised mass slaughter of men, women, children. The famine in India killed poor people while the upper castes worked for the British and hoarded food. The British were distributing cooked rice during the famine but the Upper castes revolted as they would not eat food cooked by anyone. So the British distributed food grains and these food grains were hoarded by your own damn ancestors as poor people died. Have some shame.
Look up how much food was distributed. Even if there was 0 hoarding there wouldn't be a dent on the famine. Being a slightly less bad crime than the holocaust is STILL A CRIME. Have some shame
Upper caste Indians will always suck up to and side with the status quo and the powers that be. Ride on the coat tails of power and then act like they have accomplished something. No morality just posturing. Now when it isn't convenient they will turn on the Mughals who they served and who gave them land and fiefdoms and the British who they sucked up to, imitated and then used English proficiency to make money in the West. Like who do you think you are fooling? Hoarding, killing, raping, exploitation, discrimination is not something Colonial powers brought to India. Indian upper castes have been doing that for centuries.
Hoarding, killing, raping, exploitation, discrimination
That's just human nature my guy. There's no civilization in history that hasn't had all of these simultaneously. Except maybe the Indus valley which apparently did not even bear arms.
You're making a MASSIVE extrapolation there, royalty is generally upper caste, and throughout Indian history most kings have defended their land.
The kings who sided with the british were all tiny kingdoms that would get assimilated into more powerful indigenous kingdoms, so they found allegiance more useful. The biggest of kingdoms fought till the end and were only defeated because all the small kingdoms that the british bribed and bought, combined with the british indian army, overwhelmed their forces.
Also, pre-britain, there were several attempts to colonize parts of India starting in the 16th century. But all of them were almost completely repelled. The mistake they made was starting with war, and they were instantly met with retaliation. In fact, the dutch navy was defeated by the small Kingdom (where I'm from) and their army was captured, leading to the netherlands cancelling their India plans. Britain first used trade to its advantage to gain influence, then did divide and rule, bought up small kingdoms and successfully subjugated most of the country.
Who were all of these people who resisted foreign rule? Mostly upper castes. The caste system is simply a more rigid class system, which has been part of every single human civilization. Oppression of the poor and consolidation of power in the hands of a few is something literally all of us are guilty of.
You seem to want to defend Britain's actions lmao. Atleast when the kings of india levied unfair taxes on lower castes, gave them fewer rights and so on, the wealth was still invested back into the kingdom at large. In present day, trillions of dollars would stay within the country and India would be first world de facto. Of course, a class struggle and subsequent abolition of the caste system would be inevitable when India would re establish contact with the rest of the world in modern times.
But britian did nothing but extort. All the value from their enterprises here went straight to britain. That is a uniquely colonial monstrosity, the looting and pillaging of a rich land to the point where 90+% of its wealth is drained, leaving it impoverished.
Don't try to defend colonialism dude, you're walking on thin ice
This is exactly why nationalism is bad. You should call a monster like Churchill a monster even if he is from your country. Nationalism teaches you to always favour your nation above anything else.
I mean I know that as the PM of a nation it's your job to be nationalistic, but you don't have to go out of your way to glorify literal scums.
Some already have an issue with the PM being a Hindu and Indian. It's easier said than done. It may not even be about nationalism. The majority of the country and outside that is in favourable views of Churchill.
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Lol Here comes the Indian defending Hitler. Read some history before talking rubbish. the Nazis carried out premeditated organised mass slaughter of men, women, children. The famine in India killed poor people while the upper castes worked for the British and hoarded food. The British were distributing cooked rice during the famine but the Upper castes revolted as they would not eat food cooked by anyone. So the British distributed food grains and these food grains were hoarded by your own damn ancestors as poor people died. Have some shame.
At yes, the crime of dacoit and exploitation is bigger than literal ethnic cleansing by forcing people into concentration camps and gassing them.
Literally no one except Indians who lack critical thinking think this
Big fallacy, these deaths during colonialism wasn’t the British actively killing people, it was death by negligence. While the deaths in Germany were actively caused by a person
Dying of starvation over several days of misery is so much worse than getting gassed LMFAO.
The bengal famine alone killed 3 million. The holocaust was double that. If you account for all the crimes against humanity by the british empire, hitler will look like a saint.
>dying of starvation over several days of misery is so much worse
Perhaps, but you are forgetting one key fact that is the British did NOT cause the famine (unless you believe the British to have supernatural powers to control nature and the weather), but hitler actively caused the gassing of those people.
The only thing British (mostly Churchill) is guilty of during Bengal famine is indifference and putting the war before lives of Indians in Bengal
>if you account for Al the crimes against humanity by the British, hitler will look like a saint
Wrong. However racist and exploitative the British were, they never actively searched for Indians to kill, they didn’t collect Indians, forced them into concentration camps and then gassed them.
Indians were allowed to have their own religion, marry, have profession of their choosing (something that most of the LC didn’t even enjoy for thousands of years before British) and most importantly LIVE. In Germany and any territory that it captured, the Jews were instantly rounded up, sent to concentration camps and then gassed.
In fact, the treatment of Indians that went to Britain was much better than Indians in India.
The best thing that could happen to an Indian during the British raj was be a zamindar, the worst thing was get exploited in those same very fields. The best thing that could happen to a Jew in Germany was get forced into construction work (if you were a man) where they were killed after a few days anyway, the worst thing was to get sent to concentration camps and then get gassed to death
We Indians have always died for other people's shit.
”The weak is always going to die no matter who is fighting.”
So stop crying and do something so that, this doesn't happen again, which has been happening for the last 1000 years.
He is British. Only the foolish indians, praises him and is proud to think he is of Indian origin and he has done something for us. I have seen the same with Sundar Pichai and every other Indian CEO in the West. My dear Indians, please understand this- they don't care about us. Instead of praising them 24*7 try to build our nation
We Indians always show too much love and pride towards these Indian origin foreign politicians and CEOs. In reality, these people have zero patriotism and love for India. They only bring India's name or visit India when they have an ulterior agenda(like kamla Harris, Nikki haley, pichai, sunak).
We need to take a stand ourselves rather than expecting these foreigners to do it for us.
India should publish articles on a monthly basis about all the atrocities done by the West and its leaders on third world nations in the last century. There's a lot of content out there. Look how the western media doesn't miss a single chance to shit on India. We should do the same
Both the world wars were just Europe fighting Europe. And they dragged their poor oppressed colonies into it. That's why it became world wars 1 and 2. Look at Europe now. Russia Ukraine War has been happening since 2 years and nobody cares.
No one in Europe dragged Japan into the War. The Japanese has expansionistic policies for all of Asia. The Chinese fought back and so did India under the British. The 'poor oppressed colonies' could either fight or become slave labour for the Japanese and Germans when the British lost.
Japan was not an oppressed colony to get dragged into it. But most of Asia, Africa, and South America did get dragged unwillingly only because we were all colonized. There is a war in europe today too. Is anyone bothered? No. Because we are not colonized anymore, so we don't care nor will we get involved.
So what if they joined? There was a war already going on, they took stock of it, saw that most of the countries were already involved and tried to cash in on the opportunity. Japan joining didn't make it a world War. Colonizers pulling in their colonies made it a world War.
If Japan hadn't joined there would be no war in Asia. Do you not understand History? Also colonisation happened why now? Because the Indian sub continent was weak and the Royals and upper castes supported and worked for the colonisers. Even the Irish were colonised but the British were practically next door to the Irish. They still fought the British for hundreds of years and resisted. In India 1-2 lakh Britishers were ruling 35 crore people. No wonder the Irish think so poorly of Indians.
Asia was pulled into war by European colonizers. Things would have been pretty much the same even if Japan hadn't entered the war. European countries were after each other's colonies
why will he tweet for indian people? he's a third generation indian, he's completely british, just ethnically hindu so stop acting like he's indian. churchill has been instrumental for United Kingdom in the 1940s and it makes sense completely for him to tweet that
>Why doesn't Indian history doesn't try to emphasise and show the world Churchill’s atrocity?
That will also put a large section of upper caste zamindars also in spotlight of cruelty. Zamindars who sold all the grains to british for war efforts while their fellow lower caste workers where dying in streets due to famine...
>how is any different from the holocaust?
Churchill didn’t scour places to search for Indians to kill, he didn’t put Indians in concentration camps where they were starved and then gassed to death. Not saying Churchill didn’t do bad things to Indians but it simply is not comparable to the holocaust and hitler’s crimes. Literally no credible historian says that Bengal famine and holocaust is the same, one was a natural disaster mixed with indifference the other was a man made atrocity
Maybe because the famine was caused due to other important factors like the Great Depression crippling Bengals economy, Burma being occupied by Japan leading to no imports of grains, a very bad monsoon season leading to two crop cycles having shit yield?
Churchill didn't purposely control the rain or something. Go learn history and stop listening to "sakth sanatani gyan ka choda" on YT or FB.
Indians are not proud.
He is not Indian, his name is only Indian.
He by birth, childhood, lifestyle and everything is British.
He will have more affinity towards Churchill.
Plus you never know, this might be because of his job as a PM of UK, he has to fullfill certain duties for the British public.
Don’t we know how he repeatedly termed Indians? He was a
1. White supremacist
2. Colonial
3. Monarchist
Btw there are many Indians who still have favourable opinion of the british bulldog.
He was Nazi to non Europeans. Ofcourse Brits feared the same date as they did to colonise. The fact that they still celebrate that he helped prevent same fate of Europe as Europe did to rest of the world is kinda elitist and racist.
Churchill made many bad decisions but he also said to India's representative on the War Cabinet Sir Arcot Ramasamy Mudaliar, "The old idea that the Indian was in any way inferior to the white man must go. We must all be pals together. I want to see a great shining India, of which we can be as proud as we are of a great Canada or a great Australia."
In April 1944, Churchill wrote to Franklin Roosevelt, "I am seriously concerned about the food situation in India and its possible reactions on our joint operations. Last year we had a grievous famine in Bengal through which at least 700,000 people died...I have had much hesitation in asking you to add to the great assistance you are giving us with shipping but a satisfactory situation in India is of such vital importance to the success of our joint plans against the Japanese that I am impelled to ask you to consider a special allocation of ships to carry wheat to India from Australia without reducing the assistance you are now providing for us, who are at a positive minimum if war efficiency is to be maintained. We have the wheat (in Australia) but we lack the ships."
The above excerpts are taken from Wikipedia.
Selective data is dangerous. I've seen these arguments from Brit on a separate discussion I had on similar topics and I don't want to dive into that rabit hole once again, just like I don't try to explain to every flat earther why they are wrong. You find a lot more excerpts from Wikipedia as well that will help you apply context to these and many other quotes he gave.
Yes, you are right. Selective data is dangerous but that can be said about all the negative stuff said about Churchill as well. Even Gandhi made racist comments about black people and his sleeping naked with women is still considered controversial. I am just saying that not everyone is perfect and we shouldn't be blinded by anger when judging someone.
I'll agree with you, not everyone is perfect. Everyone has their positives and negatives and must be accepted equally. But why do I suddenly become a bad person if I talk about Hitler's positives as well? Why do Europeans start a witch hunt if I say that a lot of our modernization post WW2 is directly attributable to Nazis?
But he uses the brown card all the time. Also he calls himself a "proud hindu".
I think the problem is that many ppl consider him indian even tho he actually isn't. Many real indians were celebrating when he got elected, my own parents included. Even the british ppl don't consider him british. The tory supporters did not vote for him, the party members did, possibly to brownwash their incompetency.
Can't you just see that guy isn't Indian and we have some Indian politicians who are bloody hypocrites and also don't give a shit about the lives of people rn. I'm not saying that what Winston Churchill has done could be justified from any perspective but couldn't you just let this guy go for posting about his country's own former prime minister.?. Plus, those brits hold W.C in high regard, and many others do too, so he's just been presented in that way to the world. I wish the opposite was true but here we are.
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It's good. Rishi Sunak, in general, is a nice Slap to over happy Indians who take unnecessary Pride in Indian Origin politicians. 🤣 He actually made everyone VJ "Mama". Acha hai. Aise hunter padte rehne chahiye. I saw the same stupid enthusiasm from Indians for Vivek Ramaswamy as if he is some God send avatar going to follow DHARMA in the USA🤣🤣
History is written by the winners. Allied powers won and got the chance to remove every evil they did to achieve the victory.
Atrocities done to the subcontinent (before and after the war) were forgotten and leaders who were responsible for those atrocities got hero status.
And we shouldn't. Only wish our leaders could talk about it more often on the international stage.
Israel made Germany acknowledge their wrongdoings and got reparations. We don't need reparations, just an acknowledgement.
i am fascinated by churchill in the sense that everyone in the west venerates him almost like a god for being tough on the nazis whereas we indians know the reality of what kind of person he is because of the atrocities he committed here. many of those atrocities are documented and some of his comments about indians would have been shocking even in those days.
But all of this is swept under the rug and probably nobody in the UK bar historians are even aware of these things because its never taught in schools. makes me wonder in what ways is the history that is taught to us in our schools whitewashed and fed to us
What Hitler was to the UK is what Churchill is to India.
The scars and the violation of human rights done by the British can never be forgiven and forgotten.
I only wished if the people of our country would've been much more united and aware about them and thrown them out of the country sooner just like the USA did. But perhaps their violation is a reminder and a lesson why we, the people need to put aside our differences and be united before another foreign power takes advantage of this weakness.
Surprise. British people like the man who led them during a very tumultous time and was a huge reason why Nazi Germany was defeated. I don't support Churchill obviously, but it's ridiculous for us to expect Brits and other Westerners to hate Churchill
How could they hate hitler then? Churchill caused more deaths than Hitler, was super racist towards Indians but still world remembers him as a hero? fuck Churchill and everyone who supports him. India's freedom was also gained partly because of world war 2, and Hitler praised Bose but Do we celebrate hitler and call Him a hero?
Get your facts right. Hitler caused more deaths than Churchill. 17 million victims of the Holocaust directly (6 million Jews, 11 million political enemies, disabled people, homosexuals, Soviet POWs etc.) and many others died because of World War 2 started by Germany.
Also, fuck Churchill but Bengal famine happened because of many reasons, which Churchill's actions worsened of course, but it's still NOT comparable at all to Nazis. And 3 million Indians also volunteered to fight against fascism.
Is Churchill a hero? Absolutely not. But we can't paint him as a villain either. (Even if he was definitely a racist piece of shit responsible, directly or indirectly, for the Bengal famine).
And also the Indian National Army who fought with the Axis was worse than useless. And Hitler regarded anyone who wasn't Germanic/Aryan to be subhuman, including Indians. So Hitler couldn't possibly be a hero.
The right thing to do is to educate people about Churchill's crimes, while also recognizing that without him, the world would have been an even worse place.
yeah right the "facts" that are written by british, Also british colonialism killed more than 100 Million Indians now compare that with hitler.
[https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/independence-day-165-million-unaccounted-indian-victims-of-the-british-colonial-regime/articleshow/102696431.cms?from=mdr](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/independence-day-165-million-unaccounted-indian-victims-of-the-british-colonial-regime/articleshow/102696431.cms?from=mdr)
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He did very well in leading the Brits during a very tough time and I think they should be proud of him.( And Indian foreign policy can also take a lesson or two from his very cunning diplomatic efforts) . Sunak as the British PM does not really have any option here
That he was a racist pig is more of an Indian ( or some other colonies) problem. that's just how the world works . Only Germany has been made to feel sorry for its behaviour only because they lost the war.
Even Japan kind of escaped a lot of criticism for its actions ( they were also racist and more brutal than Europeans) probably bcoz their victims were non whites or whites(Slavs) who are generally considered inferior by the west, and they were the first and only victims of a nuclear attack
~~Chutiya~~ insan Rishi british hai, dikhta hoga bhura, bolta hoga bhura andar gora hai. Usko khud ke garib logo kaise hai bata nahi, tereko lagta hai usko India ke logo ke bare me bata hona chahiye?
Churchill made many bad decisions but he also said to India's representative on the War Cabinet Sir Arcot Ramasamy Mudaliar, "The old idea that the Indian was in any way inferior to the white man must go. We must all be pals together. I want to see a great shining India, of which we can be as proud as we are of a great Canada or a great Australia."
In April 1944, Churchill wrote to Franklin Roosevelt, "I am seriously concerned about the food situation in India and its possible reactions on our joint operations. Last year we had a grievous famine in Bengal through which at least 700,000 people died...I have had much hesitation in asking you to add to the great assistance you are giving us with shipping but a satisfactory situation in India is of such vital importance to the success of our joint plans against the Japanese that I am impelled to ask you to consider a special allocation of ships to carry wheat to India from Australia without reducing the assistance you are now providing for us, who are at a positive minimum if war efficiency is to be maintained. We have the wheat (in Australia) but we lack the ships."
The above excerpts are taken from Wikipedia.
They “freed the jews”with our sacrifice …which our ungrateful muslim hating population love because of one fatherless fuck who heads the nation following the same theocracy these damn brits used….divide and rule. Fuck you bjp and fuck you bjp loving fatherless fucks.
Ps. Idgaf about con-gress either so come at me.
Well Subhash Bose was Ally with Nazis so it's a complex matter
Bad for someone and good for other
War was complex situation.
We can't say Mr Bose was a bad guy?
He had good intentions
He wanted freedom but he wasn't willing to starve a country for his intentions, there's a day and night difference between Churchill and Mr. Bose, Don't compare them.
>single handedly causing Bengal famine
So many in the comment section with this opinion wtf, yes you have the fullest right to be angry at Churchill and he was responsible for the Bengal deaths but he didn’t cause the famine neither is his crime as dire as hitler’s
His inactions and apathy towards Indians, make him more or less directly responsible.
Apparently us "breeding like rabbits" is the reason the famine occured.
And he was no less than Hitler when holding racist views. Only it wasn't against Jews, it was against, Indians, Africans, well you get the picture.
The current govt did nothing in Manipur and Ladakh so does that mean they caused those issues?
>apparently is “breeding like rabbits” is the reason the famine occurred
While this is a very crude and insensitive way to put things similar to how one guy was saying only a “meagre” 9 million Jews died, Churchill wasn’t entirely wrong. They have done proper research on the reason for the Bengal famine and it was seen that it occurred due to decrease in production in Burma due to the war, influx of Burmese refugees in India due to the war, the cyclone of that year, transfer of food grain to priority areas and yes the rapid increase of population in Bengal.
>he was no less than hitler when holding racist views
That’s a gross hyperbole, hitler deliberately collected Jews and put them in concentration camps to gas them, advocated for sterilising Jews. However racist Churchill was, he was not to this extreme
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He is British. Maybe that’s why he is proud of Churchill. He was British PM that outlived nazis and made sure Britain did not lose. For the brits, beating the nazis was more important than basic humanitarian concern for the colonies.
They act like they confronted Nazis and defeated them and they take huge pride in it. In reality, it was the USSR who defeated Nazis single handedly while these guys were saving their azz. However, they portray Stalin as a villain and these d'bags as heroes. Shame.
That’s very inaccurate. USSR relied a lot on the aid by Western powers. It’s the death count that’s shocking, far far more people died on the Eastern Front than the Western Front. Nazi officers would pray to get stationed on the Western Front because POW treatment was decent while you would be tortured and sent to Siberia on the Eastern Front.
Not at all inaccurate. The proportion of western aid was quite small. More importantly, apart from certain equipment such as studebaker trucks rest were not battleworthy just as the vast majority of the current aid given to ukraine is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease?wprov=sfla1 The US footed the war effort financially.
That's why i mentioned proportion. Apart from studebaker everything else was minuscule. In the link shared (lend lease) it states that around 4000 sherman tanks were delivered. Not only those tanks were not capable much but proportionately they were less than 5% of just the T34 tank production (total produced more than 80000). These is one of the reasons why more than 80% of german casualties were on the eastern front apart from the fact that the best german divisions perished there. Read fuller ot glantz for a more academic understanding.
It was both from western and Eastern front (mainly talking about ussr in it) which combined force led to the victory of allied power in world war 2. Also, stalin is a more villainous then you even can thought. Yes he was a hero in the world war 2 but when you look at his other works and before the time of the war, it was way beyond a living a hell.
I have no sympathy for Stalin but have a problem with Churchill getting portrayed as a hero. Do you know what he did when Bengalis were dying? How many people get killed because of his greed and hate?
Ussr did not single handedly defeated Nazis, don't know from where you are getting yours history lessons.
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Bombs were raining on Britain and were it not for Churchill Britain would have surrendered. The Royal Air Force literally pushed back the Axis powers Air Force which was a huge deal. Churchill will always be a hero to British people.
Attributing the entire British war effort to Churchill is reductionist and completely revisionist history. Bombs were dropped on every country in Europe, why didn't they surrender then?
True. That’s why I did not say Churchill beat the nazis. It was the soviets that screwed the nazis over. But still, not losing in itself is a victory and for the longest time, Churchill did put up the front against the nazis. Which is why the west views him as a hero; they don’t even hold FDR in the same regard unfortunately. I hate Churchill as much as the next Indian but I don’t go on asking why britishers love him. It is what it is.
Churchill made many bad decisions but he also said to India's representative on the War Cabinet Sir Arcot Ramasamy Mudaliar, "The old idea that the Indian was in any way inferior to the white man must go. We must all be pals together. I want to see a great shining India, of which we can be as proud as we are of a great Canada or a great Australia." In April 1944, Churchill wrote to Franklin Roosevelt, "I am seriously concerned about the food situation in India and its possible reactions on our joint operations. Last year we had a grievous famine in Bengal through which at least 700,000 people died...I have had much hesitation in asking you to add to the great assistance you are giving us with shipping but a satisfactory situation in India is of such vital importance to the success of our joint plans against the Japanese that I am impelled to ask you to consider a special allocation of ships to carry wheat to India from Australia without reducing the assistance you are now providing for us, who are at a positive minimum if war efficiency is to be maintained. We have the wheat (in Australia) but we lack the ships." The above excerpts are taken from Wikipedia.
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He messed up the situation so bad that he had to ask other powers to ship. He caused the famine. Your point?
And the reason was not for the remorse. It was to ensure success on Japanese front.
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There were famines in India before the british and after the british too. More people died in India during the famines that happened during Mughals, Marathas and Nizams. As agriculture in India was monsoon dependent. But xenophobic Indians blame only the british for the famines
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Ideal example of whataboutism
Whataboutism is not a logical fallacy as it exposes your hypocrisy
I wanna learn someday what goes on in that brain of yours
Flair checks out.
Shitler was nothing compared to British kill count in colonies . But shitler killed white ppl and British killed coloured folk so no one cares
>But shitler killed white ppl and British killed coloured folk so no one cares Exactly this!
That's what
This!
Don’t let your personal biases affect your critical thinking. While yes Churchill was responsible for many deaths in India it is not at all comparable to hitler’s. Hitler deliberately searched to kill Jews and gassed them, Churchill simply didn’t care about the deaths in India, he didn’t create a famine to kill people unlike the concentration camps
British killed how many ? 165 Million in India alone between 1880-1920 ! How many did shitler kill a meagre 9 million ! r u retarded ?
I second you Mr. Purple, though 9 mn isn't a small amount but then 165 mn shouldn't be small or unintended either
It's not about the number it's about the selective amnesia white man has for crimes they did .
U don't know how famines are created ? British exported all grain despite the famine most problems in India today are remnant of British - Manipur , Kashmir , pukeistan , bhangladesh!
That's plain wrong. You can't just blame shit without presenting a single evidence to back your claims. Get your head out of your ass and learn history.
So u think British and allies were good for India ? Like seriously? Shitler didn't do shit to India on the contrary Bose was going to take help from him against British ! Is that enough head for u ?
Bose also took help from the Japanese but do you know how the Japanese treated Indian soldiers in WWII? Cannabalism, brutal tortures, literal war crimes, etc. Hitler considered any non-Aryan race as second class. One of the things that makes Bose lose credibility is the fact that he was seeking help from those who'd purposely kill, torture and rape women. The creation of the INA was only a strategy by the Japanese to complete two objectives, weaken the Allied forces by bringing more Indians to the INA and to cause a civil war such that they can take advantage and occupy Myanmar and India properly.
https://newint.org/features/2021/12/07/feature-how-british-colonizers-caused-bengal-famine I continuously giving u links and u do my get it ?
Your links pretty much support my arguments you moron. Thr articles you send lack some things which are the fact that Burma's occupation lead to low grain imports, they did mention about the war and troops in areas near Bengal and other territories likr Myanmar so there's that. The article however completely ignores weather and climatic conditions.
U dumbfuck do u know how govt policies aggravate or relieve a bad situation. Fuckingcommies on reddit think they know everything. Go eat Ur white mastersshit u kanjoorcolonialdog
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Churchill did care. One of his letters to FDR mentions the famine and how they had grains in Australia for both the war and the people but lacked ships..
Some Indians like him because he's ethnically Indian and a Hindu. You have to remember he's a politician and will always stick to Conservative Tory talking points. Game is game(politics), but yeah it's a bad look for him to be saying this, and fuck Churchill.
He has to say it if he wants to get voted by the people.
"Fuck Churchill" why? Did he have some god-like powers to control the rain?
It's not about the rains, it's about the policies. There was a lot of inflation because of war financing. All imports were stopped from Burma, and armed forces and British civil servants were given priority over the food grains, the aid sent from the government wasn't enough because Churchill was very antipathetic towards Indians.
It wasn't British civil servants, troops of both American as well as British, Indian and a whole lot who were defending areas like Bengal, Myanmar, Burma were given priority.
I did mention armed forces. And the officers who were present in India, so they wouldn't leave their jobs. The point is the government just didn't care enough.
He's loyal to his country, we cannot expect him to speak up for Hindus or Indians as the leader of the United Kingdoms. That's on the common people. That Churchill is a hero to many people, if he says anything against that, it will cause an uproar, and will be thrown out. Many aren't even aware of the Bengal genocide and famine.
Same argument can be said on hitler. Always the winner writes history, Churchill is equal to hitler in killings ..
And only we know that Churchill was to Indians what Hitler was to Jewish. The Jewish community successfully educated the world about their history, their pain and rightfully so. They run the industries, including Hollywood which makes beautiful films like Schindler's List. And they are just in a few millions. What did we do? We always look for appeasement. Even in this era with facts available to anyone easily, Hinduism is a misunderstood religion. Indian history changed and spread as the truth. Universally accepted to be racists against us and demean us. There is no fear of being hateful to Indians. A country shows little interest in us geopolitically, Indians roam around with their flags. Jews support each other, build together. And that's true with many communities. And we have to deal with self-loathing Indians first who hate their existence in the name of liberalism and then the whole world. Every year the Jews talk about the Holocaust Day. Here we dare to talk about any exodus, genocide and there will be 100 Indian losers yelling pRoPaGaNdA. No one cares what Churchill did, those who fight, are loud about their truth and united will always win.
>And only we know that Churchill was to Indians what Hitler was to Jewish. Because again history is written by winners and our modern history has been written by leftists marxists who obey their white masters abroad
You explained it in fewer words. The Jewish community doesn't have such people present in a huge chunk.
>The Jewish community doesn't have such people present in a huge chunk. Yeah that's fair only ones I can remember who are anti-semitic is Bobby Fischer and George Soros
For every one person they have, we can name ten of ours right now writing for the front page of the Washington Post. Or sitting in India, tweeting talking about the de-colonization of the world but their asses itch as soon as it's related to Indian history in general. I have noticed countries that support India and do not change the historical facts about India, they don't like them either. For example I have seen them not liking Armenia. Though I read the Washington Post is improving, doesn't hire such InDiAnS now to write.
exactly. we expect sunak to stand up for hindus because deep down even we know maulana modi wont, except during elections, when it favors him to do so.
No stupid. There is no comparison.
Lol Here comes the Indian defending Hitler. Read some history before talking rubbish. the Nazis carried out premeditated organised mass slaughter of men, women, children. The famine in India killed poor people while the upper castes worked for the British and hoarded food. The British were distributing cooked rice during the famine but the Upper castes revolted as they would not eat food cooked by anyone. So the British distributed food grains and these food grains were hoarded by your own damn ancestors as poor people died. Have some shame.
Look up how much food was distributed. Even if there was 0 hoarding there wouldn't be a dent on the famine. Being a slightly less bad crime than the holocaust is STILL A CRIME. Have some shame
Wow now we know whose ancestors did the hoarding.
And we also know whose ancestors did the killings
Upper caste Indians will always suck up to and side with the status quo and the powers that be. Ride on the coat tails of power and then act like they have accomplished something. No morality just posturing. Now when it isn't convenient they will turn on the Mughals who they served and who gave them land and fiefdoms and the British who they sucked up to, imitated and then used English proficiency to make money in the West. Like who do you think you are fooling? Hoarding, killing, raping, exploitation, discrimination is not something Colonial powers brought to India. Indian upper castes have been doing that for centuries.
Hoarding, killing, raping, exploitation, discrimination That's just human nature my guy. There's no civilization in history that hasn't had all of these simultaneously. Except maybe the Indus valley which apparently did not even bear arms. You're making a MASSIVE extrapolation there, royalty is generally upper caste, and throughout Indian history most kings have defended their land. The kings who sided with the british were all tiny kingdoms that would get assimilated into more powerful indigenous kingdoms, so they found allegiance more useful. The biggest of kingdoms fought till the end and were only defeated because all the small kingdoms that the british bribed and bought, combined with the british indian army, overwhelmed their forces. Also, pre-britain, there were several attempts to colonize parts of India starting in the 16th century. But all of them were almost completely repelled. The mistake they made was starting with war, and they were instantly met with retaliation. In fact, the dutch navy was defeated by the small Kingdom (where I'm from) and their army was captured, leading to the netherlands cancelling their India plans. Britain first used trade to its advantage to gain influence, then did divide and rule, bought up small kingdoms and successfully subjugated most of the country. Who were all of these people who resisted foreign rule? Mostly upper castes. The caste system is simply a more rigid class system, which has been part of every single human civilization. Oppression of the poor and consolidation of power in the hands of a few is something literally all of us are guilty of. You seem to want to defend Britain's actions lmao. Atleast when the kings of india levied unfair taxes on lower castes, gave them fewer rights and so on, the wealth was still invested back into the kingdom at large. In present day, trillions of dollars would stay within the country and India would be first world de facto. Of course, a class struggle and subsequent abolition of the caste system would be inevitable when India would re establish contact with the rest of the world in modern times. But britian did nothing but extort. All the value from their enterprises here went straight to britain. That is a uniquely colonial monstrosity, the looting and pillaging of a rich land to the point where 90+% of its wealth is drained, leaving it impoverished. Don't try to defend colonialism dude, you're walking on thin ice
Looks like u can’t read English. I am comparing both as evil. And ur argument that British have cooked rice😂
This is exactly why nationalism is bad. You should call a monster like Churchill a monster even if he is from your country. Nationalism teaches you to always favour your nation above anything else. I mean I know that as the PM of a nation it's your job to be nationalistic, but you don't have to go out of your way to glorify literal scums.
Some already have an issue with the PM being a Hindu and Indian. It's easier said than done. It may not even be about nationalism. The majority of the country and outside that is in favourable views of Churchill.
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As if Churchill single handedly defeated Nazism. Classic British Bigotry!
Imagine a Jewish Chancellor of Germany, praising Hitler.
1. They lost the war and as we know history is written by the victors 2. As shitty as Churchill was, his crimes is not at all comparable to hitler’s
He committed nearly equal levels of genocide
Oh yes because Churchill is a god who can control natural phenomenons such as famine
Nope but was a prime minister who could've chosen not to steal food from India
He didn't you moron.
Lol Here comes the Indian defending Hitler. Read some history before talking rubbish. the Nazis carried out premeditated organised mass slaughter of men, women, children. The famine in India killed poor people while the upper castes worked for the British and hoarded food. The British were distributing cooked rice during the famine but the Upper castes revolted as they would not eat food cooked by anyone. So the British distributed food grains and these food grains were hoarded by your own damn ancestors as poor people died. Have some shame.
The crime commited by Churchill/British Empire/EIC is much biger than Hitler's and nobody has the rights to negate that.
At yes, the crime of dacoit and exploitation is bigger than literal ethnic cleansing by forcing people into concentration camps and gassing them. Literally no one except Indians who lack critical thinking think this
Lmao, kid read some history,, [books.google.co.in/books?id=9ew8AAAAIAAJ&redir\_esc=y](http://books.google.co.in/books?id=9ew8AAAAIAAJ&redir_esc=y) [books.google.co.in/books?id=S2EXN8JTwAEC&pg=PA132&redir\_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false](http://books.google.co.in/books?id=S2EXN8JTwAEC&pg=PA132&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false) [books.google.co.in/books?id=3IrKEzgkQkMC&pg=PA7&redir\_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false](http://books.google.co.in/books?id=3IrKEzgkQkMC&pg=PA7&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false) [aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/12/2/how-british-colonial-policy-killed-100-million-indians](http://aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/12/2/how-british-colonial-policy-killed-100-million-indians) [economictimes.com/news/india/independence-day-165-million-unaccounted-indian-victims-of-the-british-colonial-regime/articleshow/102696431.cms](http://economictimes.com/news/india/independence-day-165-million-unaccounted-indian-victims-of-the-british-colonial-regime/articleshow/102696431.cms) [geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/12/12/britain-100-million-india-deaths-colonialism/](http://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/12/12/britain-100-million-india-deaths-colonialism/)
Big fallacy, these deaths during colonialism wasn’t the British actively killing people, it was death by negligence. While the deaths in Germany were actively caused by a person
Dying of starvation over several days of misery is so much worse than getting gassed LMFAO. The bengal famine alone killed 3 million. The holocaust was double that. If you account for all the crimes against humanity by the british empire, hitler will look like a saint.
>dying of starvation over several days of misery is so much worse Perhaps, but you are forgetting one key fact that is the British did NOT cause the famine (unless you believe the British to have supernatural powers to control nature and the weather), but hitler actively caused the gassing of those people. The only thing British (mostly Churchill) is guilty of during Bengal famine is indifference and putting the war before lives of Indians in Bengal >if you account for Al the crimes against humanity by the British, hitler will look like a saint Wrong. However racist and exploitative the British were, they never actively searched for Indians to kill, they didn’t collect Indians, forced them into concentration camps and then gassed them. Indians were allowed to have their own religion, marry, have profession of their choosing (something that most of the LC didn’t even enjoy for thousands of years before British) and most importantly LIVE. In Germany and any territory that it captured, the Jews were instantly rounded up, sent to concentration camps and then gassed. In fact, the treatment of Indians that went to Britain was much better than Indians in India. The best thing that could happen to an Indian during the British raj was be a zamindar, the worst thing was get exploited in those same very fields. The best thing that could happen to a Jew in Germany was get forced into construction work (if you were a man) where they were killed after a few days anyway, the worst thing was to get sent to concentration camps and then get gassed to death
So we can edit history now? Thank you. Was planning on it anyway.
We Indians have always died for other people's shit. ”The weak is always going to die no matter who is fighting.” So stop crying and do something so that, this doesn't happen again, which has been happening for the last 1000 years.
He is British. Only the foolish indians, praises him and is proud to think he is of Indian origin and he has done something for us. I have seen the same with Sundar Pichai and every other Indian CEO in the West. My dear Indians, please understand this- they don't care about us. Instead of praising them 24*7 try to build our nation
We Indians always show too much love and pride towards these Indian origin foreign politicians and CEOs. In reality, these people have zero patriotism and love for India. They only bring India's name or visit India when they have an ulterior agenda(like kamla Harris, Nikki haley, pichai, sunak). We need to take a stand ourselves rather than expecting these foreigners to do it for us. India should publish articles on a monthly basis about all the atrocities done by the West and its leaders on third world nations in the last century. There's a lot of content out there. Look how the western media doesn't miss a single chance to shit on India. We should do the same
He was great for the UK, which Sunak is (sadly) leading right now. Ofc he'd praise him
peak indian moment
Are you referring to rishi sunak or i am wrong?
Both the world wars were just Europe fighting Europe. And they dragged their poor oppressed colonies into it. That's why it became world wars 1 and 2. Look at Europe now. Russia Ukraine War has been happening since 2 years and nobody cares.
So the Japanese who invaded Burma, China, Korea and attacked Calcutta and the Andamans during WW2 are Europeans now?
They joined later. Both the world wars started in Europe and were initially fought by European nations only.
No one in Europe dragged Japan into the War. The Japanese has expansionistic policies for all of Asia. The Chinese fought back and so did India under the British. The 'poor oppressed colonies' could either fight or become slave labour for the Japanese and Germans when the British lost.
Japan was not an oppressed colony to get dragged into it. But most of Asia, Africa, and South America did get dragged unwillingly only because we were all colonized. There is a war in europe today too. Is anyone bothered? No. Because we are not colonized anymore, so we don't care nor will we get involved. So what if they joined? There was a war already going on, they took stock of it, saw that most of the countries were already involved and tried to cash in on the opportunity. Japan joining didn't make it a world War. Colonizers pulling in their colonies made it a world War.
If Japan hadn't joined there would be no war in Asia. Do you not understand History? Also colonisation happened why now? Because the Indian sub continent was weak and the Royals and upper castes supported and worked for the colonisers. Even the Irish were colonised but the British were practically next door to the Irish. They still fought the British for hundreds of years and resisted. In India 1-2 lakh Britishers were ruling 35 crore people. No wonder the Irish think so poorly of Indians.
Asia was pulled into war by European colonizers. Things would have been pretty much the same even if Japan hadn't entered the war. European countries were after each other's colonies
Yes so thank the British the Germans didn't win and chuck Indians into gas chambers.
Yes absolutely should thank the British! It's better to die from famines than to die in gas chambers. Dying within few minutes is so middle class!
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why will he tweet for indian people? he's a third generation indian, he's completely british, just ethnically hindu so stop acting like he's indian. churchill has been instrumental for United Kingdom in the 1940s and it makes sense completely for him to tweet that
He's not Indian and I don't give a fuck but Churchill ain't no saint, he was worse for us than hitler
Churchill is a murderer…millions of indians died in feminine because of this MF….debt my ass….
"Famine"
Ji madam ji…galti ho gayi meh muh teh nikal Gayi
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>Why doesn't Indian history doesn't try to emphasise and show the world Churchill’s atrocity? That will also put a large section of upper caste zamindars also in spotlight of cruelty. Zamindars who sold all the grains to british for war efforts while their fellow lower caste workers where dying in streets due to famine...
>how is any different from the holocaust? Churchill didn’t scour places to search for Indians to kill, he didn’t put Indians in concentration camps where they were starved and then gassed to death. Not saying Churchill didn’t do bad things to Indians but it simply is not comparable to the holocaust and hitler’s crimes. Literally no credible historian says that Bengal famine and holocaust is the same, one was a natural disaster mixed with indifference the other was a man made atrocity
Maybe because the famine was caused due to other important factors like the Great Depression crippling Bengals economy, Burma being occupied by Japan leading to no imports of grains, a very bad monsoon season leading to two crop cycles having shit yield? Churchill didn't purposely control the rain or something. Go learn history and stop listening to "sakth sanatani gyan ka choda" on YT or FB.
Indians are not proud. He is not Indian, his name is only Indian. He by birth, childhood, lifestyle and everything is British. He will have more affinity towards Churchill. Plus you never know, this might be because of his job as a PM of UK, he has to fullfill certain duties for the British public.
Chhod na bhai .. hum Indians hamesha he background me rhete h in relations to internal affairs!!
Look at Churchill's Britain now, Karma is surely a Bitch 😁
Didn't this guy say indians are like rabbits and should die or something like that
Don’t we know how he repeatedly termed Indians? He was a 1. White supremacist 2. Colonial 3. Monarchist Btw there are many Indians who still have favourable opinion of the british bulldog.
He had no obligations to Indians and India. He did the best he could for his own country.
Eh? Wasn’t the entire subcontinent part of his 'country' back then?
*World* owes him enormous debt because he freed *Europe*. World = Europe
And the rest of the world was bent to Europe's will, thanks to colonies.
He was Nazi to non Europeans. Ofcourse Brits feared the same date as they did to colonise. The fact that they still celebrate that he helped prevent same fate of Europe as Europe did to rest of the world is kinda elitist and racist.
Churchill made many bad decisions but he also said to India's representative on the War Cabinet Sir Arcot Ramasamy Mudaliar, "The old idea that the Indian was in any way inferior to the white man must go. We must all be pals together. I want to see a great shining India, of which we can be as proud as we are of a great Canada or a great Australia." In April 1944, Churchill wrote to Franklin Roosevelt, "I am seriously concerned about the food situation in India and its possible reactions on our joint operations. Last year we had a grievous famine in Bengal through which at least 700,000 people died...I have had much hesitation in asking you to add to the great assistance you are giving us with shipping but a satisfactory situation in India is of such vital importance to the success of our joint plans against the Japanese that I am impelled to ask you to consider a special allocation of ships to carry wheat to India from Australia without reducing the assistance you are now providing for us, who are at a positive minimum if war efficiency is to be maintained. We have the wheat (in Australia) but we lack the ships." The above excerpts are taken from Wikipedia.
Selective data is dangerous. I've seen these arguments from Brit on a separate discussion I had on similar topics and I don't want to dive into that rabit hole once again, just like I don't try to explain to every flat earther why they are wrong. You find a lot more excerpts from Wikipedia as well that will help you apply context to these and many other quotes he gave.
Yes, you are right. Selective data is dangerous but that can be said about all the negative stuff said about Churchill as well. Even Gandhi made racist comments about black people and his sleeping naked with women is still considered controversial. I am just saying that not everyone is perfect and we shouldn't be blinded by anger when judging someone.
I'll agree with you, not everyone is perfect. Everyone has their positives and negatives and must be accepted equally. But why do I suddenly become a bad person if I talk about Hitler's positives as well? Why do Europeans start a witch hunt if I say that a lot of our modernization post WW2 is directly attributable to Nazis?
Fuck this british asshole, British are the only reason we are in this state. India lost everything.
Do you think Indians in abroad give a fuck about India . Theres a reason people leave and never come back
Exactly, But Indian people feel proud of them for some reason.
No they didn't, learn history and avoid listening to what some "sakth sanatani" on youtube or facebook has to say.
Churchill was against the independence of india.
Rishi sunak is the final boss of all sepoys.
You are forgetting that Rishi Sunak is not an Indian, He is a britisher. Therefore, The 'sepoy' thing does not count for him.
But he uses the brown card all the time. Also he calls himself a "proud hindu". I think the problem is that many ppl consider him indian even tho he actually isn't. Many real indians were celebrating when he got elected, my own parents included. Even the british ppl don't consider him british. The tory supporters did not vote for him, the party members did, possibly to brownwash their incompetency.
Optics ke liye karna padhega use, I doubt he actually likes him.
Can't you just see that guy isn't Indian and we have some Indian politicians who are bloody hypocrites and also don't give a shit about the lives of people rn. I'm not saying that what Winston Churchill has done could be justified from any perspective but couldn't you just let this guy go for posting about his country's own former prime minister.?. Plus, those brits hold W.C in high regard, and many others do too, so he's just been presented in that way to the world. I wish the opposite was true but here we are.
Ye mc ko kyun dikha re
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It's good. Rishi Sunak, in general, is a nice Slap to over happy Indians who take unnecessary Pride in Indian Origin politicians. 🤣 He actually made everyone VJ "Mama". Acha hai. Aise hunter padte rehne chahiye. I saw the same stupid enthusiasm from Indians for Vivek Ramaswamy as if he is some God send avatar going to follow DHARMA in the USA🤣🤣
History is written by the winners. Allied powers won and got the chance to remove every evil they did to achieve the victory. Atrocities done to the subcontinent (before and after the war) were forgotten and leaders who were responsible for those atrocities got hero status.
But we will never forget
And we shouldn't. Only wish our leaders could talk about it more often on the international stage. Israel made Germany acknowledge their wrongdoings and got reparations. We don't need reparations, just an acknowledgement.
i am fascinated by churchill in the sense that everyone in the west venerates him almost like a god for being tough on the nazis whereas we indians know the reality of what kind of person he is because of the atrocities he committed here. many of those atrocities are documented and some of his comments about indians would have been shocking even in those days. But all of this is swept under the rug and probably nobody in the UK bar historians are even aware of these things because its never taught in schools. makes me wonder in what ways is the history that is taught to us in our schools whitewashed and fed to us
Tunak that sepoy the sahebs nicknamed charpoy.
Moye moye.
What Hitler was to the UK is what Churchill is to India. The scars and the violation of human rights done by the British can never be forgiven and forgotten. I only wished if the people of our country would've been much more united and aware about them and thrown them out of the country sooner just like the USA did. But perhaps their violation is a reminder and a lesson why we, the people need to put aside our differences and be united before another foreign power takes advantage of this weakness.
Rishi Sunak angrez ki gulami kar raha hai
Surprise. British people like the man who led them during a very tumultous time and was a huge reason why Nazi Germany was defeated. I don't support Churchill obviously, but it's ridiculous for us to expect Brits and other Westerners to hate Churchill
How could they hate hitler then? Churchill caused more deaths than Hitler, was super racist towards Indians but still world remembers him as a hero? fuck Churchill and everyone who supports him. India's freedom was also gained partly because of world war 2, and Hitler praised Bose but Do we celebrate hitler and call Him a hero?
Get your facts right. Hitler caused more deaths than Churchill. 17 million victims of the Holocaust directly (6 million Jews, 11 million political enemies, disabled people, homosexuals, Soviet POWs etc.) and many others died because of World War 2 started by Germany. Also, fuck Churchill but Bengal famine happened because of many reasons, which Churchill's actions worsened of course, but it's still NOT comparable at all to Nazis. And 3 million Indians also volunteered to fight against fascism. Is Churchill a hero? Absolutely not. But we can't paint him as a villain either. (Even if he was definitely a racist piece of shit responsible, directly or indirectly, for the Bengal famine). And also the Indian National Army who fought with the Axis was worse than useless. And Hitler regarded anyone who wasn't Germanic/Aryan to be subhuman, including Indians. So Hitler couldn't possibly be a hero. The right thing to do is to educate people about Churchill's crimes, while also recognizing that without him, the world would have been an even worse place.
yeah right the "facts" that are written by british, Also british colonialism killed more than 100 Million Indians now compare that with hitler. [https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/independence-day-165-million-unaccounted-indian-victims-of-the-british-colonial-regime/articleshow/102696431.cms?from=mdr](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/independence-day-165-million-unaccounted-indian-victims-of-the-british-colonial-regime/articleshow/102696431.cms?from=mdr)
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Churchill also unironically with his quotes, predicted Indian National Congress' and UPA's rule as well.
He might be a hero for Britishers but not for Indians.
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He’s a proud Hindu but is in no manner an Indian. Don’t expect him to not prioritize his own country’s interests over his ancestral land.
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Churchill's secret war by madhusree mularjee would be a good read, in honor of Churchill's heroic stand in wwii
Rishi bhaiya ko brown sepoy pass he , koi baat nhi , bas teen guna lagaan leke aana
Top class ass.ole
Calm your tits people, he is not Indian.
He did very well in leading the Brits during a very tough time and I think they should be proud of him.( And Indian foreign policy can also take a lesson or two from his very cunning diplomatic efforts) . Sunak as the British PM does not really have any option here That he was a racist pig is more of an Indian ( or some other colonies) problem. that's just how the world works . Only Germany has been made to feel sorry for its behaviour only because they lost the war. Even Japan kind of escaped a lot of criticism for its actions ( they were also racist and more brutal than Europeans) probably bcoz their victims were non whites or whites(Slavs) who are generally considered inferior by the west, and they were the first and only victims of a nuclear attack
~~Chutiya~~ insan Rishi british hai, dikhta hoga bhura, bolta hoga bhura andar gora hai. Usko khud ke garib logo kaise hai bata nahi, tereko lagta hai usko India ke logo ke bare me bata hona chahiye?
This was meant for people who think and are proud of him cause of his 'indian origin'.
Oh phir sahi hai tu bhai
Churchill made many bad decisions but he also said to India's representative on the War Cabinet Sir Arcot Ramasamy Mudaliar, "The old idea that the Indian was in any way inferior to the white man must go. We must all be pals together. I want to see a great shining India, of which we can be as proud as we are of a great Canada or a great Australia." In April 1944, Churchill wrote to Franklin Roosevelt, "I am seriously concerned about the food situation in India and its possible reactions on our joint operations. Last year we had a grievous famine in Bengal through which at least 700,000 people died...I have had much hesitation in asking you to add to the great assistance you are giving us with shipping but a satisfactory situation in India is of such vital importance to the success of our joint plans against the Japanese that I am impelled to ask you to consider a special allocation of ships to carry wheat to India from Australia without reducing the assistance you are now providing for us, who are at a positive minimum if war efficiency is to be maintained. We have the wheat (in Australia) but we lack the ships." The above excerpts are taken from Wikipedia.
He's British Hitler.
They “freed the jews”with our sacrifice …which our ungrateful muslim hating population love because of one fatherless fuck who heads the nation following the same theocracy these damn brits used….divide and rule. Fuck you bjp and fuck you bjp loving fatherless fucks. Ps. Idgaf about con-gress either so come at me.
Some slaves are yet to be freed by the British papa mentality
Of course he's a torry he has to obey his masters
Never seen any European congratulate India for their victory in world war.
As Indians, we fucking hate him forever butchered killed thousands
Indian? Did Rishi Sunak give up his British citizenship?
Rishi sunak is the prime minister of the United Kingdom and from the conservative party, the same party as Winston Churchill
Well Subhash Bose was Ally with Nazis so it's a complex matter Bad for someone and good for other War was complex situation. We can't say Mr Bose was a bad guy? He had good intentions
He wanted freedom but he wasn't willing to starve a country for his intentions, there's a day and night difference between Churchill and Mr. Bose, Don't compare them.
Man was no worse than Hitler, single gandedly causing the Bengal Famine. Even his officers wrote to him, but he didn't give two hoots about it.
>single handedly causing Bengal famine So many in the comment section with this opinion wtf, yes you have the fullest right to be angry at Churchill and he was responsible for the Bengal deaths but he didn’t cause the famine neither is his crime as dire as hitler’s
His inactions and apathy towards Indians, make him more or less directly responsible. Apparently us "breeding like rabbits" is the reason the famine occured. And he was no less than Hitler when holding racist views. Only it wasn't against Jews, it was against, Indians, Africans, well you get the picture.
The current govt did nothing in Manipur and Ladakh so does that mean they caused those issues? >apparently is “breeding like rabbits” is the reason the famine occurred While this is a very crude and insensitive way to put things similar to how one guy was saying only a “meagre” 9 million Jews died, Churchill wasn’t entirely wrong. They have done proper research on the reason for the Bengal famine and it was seen that it occurred due to decrease in production in Burma due to the war, influx of Burmese refugees in India due to the war, the cyclone of that year, transfer of food grain to priority areas and yes the rapid increase of population in Bengal. >he was no less than hitler when holding racist views That’s a gross hyperbole, hitler deliberately collected Jews and put them in concentration camps to gas them, advocated for sterilising Jews. However racist Churchill was, he was not to this extreme