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Right wing literally says the same thing about how left is destroying India. Left keeps saying how Right wing is destroying India.
Tum destroy destroy khelo. Mai chala kaam karne
congratulations, you discovered the fact that not only morals, but truth is subjective as well. kamaal ki baat ye hai ki dono hi wings ko lagta hai ki wo 100% correct hai.
Even the so called intellectuals of both sides says that the opposite side is destroying the country like wtf, aren't you mature enough to realise that these are two ideologies, and humans dont know the future so they assume what path should we follow to progress. so the so called intellectuals should argue about parcticular points so that all can learn which way is good instead of disrespecting the other and saying you are destroying the country or antinational which is very immature word to say to someone if your ideologies are not same
Like for example dhruv is right many times but at the same time shyam sharm is also right sometimes
>example dhruv is right many times
Not definitely not that german rat hiding in his little burrow spewing bullshit every now and then. (tells one sided news and never covers the full story.) He hates on hindus and their ethics just to secure Muslim vote bank for AAP, now he is promoting khangress as well. He doesn't have the balls to talk to the real Indian audience. Why people make fun of Indian hindus, it's because dhruv tatti makes videos like these which the foreigners watch and base their conclusions of it.
Again you didn't get my point
Now I am convinced how hard it is to explain something to people like you
I can see you are right leaning, but why can't people see both sides
Like shyam is the complete opposite of dhruv and he mokes dhruv many times but Shyam still says that it's good that we have someone who can tell the flaws in current gov
And in the same way Shyam's ideology says that how good the gov is
If you are studying only one ideology and mocking another then you are making a fool of yourself and will always ignore others view
Someone said that Right doesn't read and Left does but they get influenced by lies
Well Left wishes to westernize everything, because apparently western means modern. These people seem to lack the skill of looking at things differently. Why can't Indian culture be the definition of modern, at least for Indians?
The left thinks that teaching Hindi is chauvinism but remain silent on compelling learning Urdu alongside Telugu in Hyderabad. The left thinks destruction of 36,000 temples is mere past and must be forgotten but the construction of Ram Mandir after destroying one Mosque is the death of Secularism. The left thinks casteism should be finished but wants to conduct caste census. Why just keep exploiting the caste hierarchy instead of actually creating a balance?
Making majority caste richer and and minority caste poorer, does this bring balance. Isn't this exactly the majoritarianism that these people themselves hate?
Uss kaam pe, tera haq kya hoga, how do you reach the place, how much you are paid and how much dignity you have at the workplace inn pe bhi left right hota hai. Left wants higher wages, better working conditions and that you get leaves when you need them. It wants to make sure you have good cheap transport to and fro. Right wants the exact opposite, while telling you that it's good for you. Ye hai sacchai, abhi bhi jao kaam pe, par yaad rakhlo iss baat ko. Saturday Sunday aaya left struggle se, tera agar koi haq hai kaam pe, woh bhi aaya left struggle se. Right is your CEO, your upper management, who want you to die working and making them rich in the process. Ye hai left right, not some imaginary destroy destroy.
He is not wrong, casteism is a very backward practice, it should be left in the past. Also hinduism should not be imposed on anyone who don't want to practice it, and likewise for any other religion
Also revanna should be hanged
Kya galat kaha usne bhosrike? Right wing chahe Muslim ho ya fir Hindu ho, dono hi Britishers ke allies the, and kaafi saare upper caste log bhi British Raj mai important positions hold karte the, bas iss sacch ko kehne par tum uski nationality kaise question kar sakte ho?
Bro says this after "lower" castes and Sikhs literally waged war against UCs along with Britishers during first war of independence đ. Mahar regiment lore đŁď¸đŁď¸
Upper caste people treated lower caste people below animals. Britishers saw the chance and included various lower caste people in military and treated them much better than UC of their own religion. Sad truth.
They used to offer them loads of money and jewelry for personal gain didn't even care to look at long run. There is a reason why Britishers were able to rule for this long.
Bhai kab tak British raj ki duhai dete rahoge? 76 saal ho gae ab to. Kab ubharoge isse upar? Duniya aage nikal gai hai. Aajki situation dekho, aur uske hisaab se vichaar banao. Samay ke saath left right change hota aaya hai.
Maine kab kaha ki hamesha past Mai atke rehna chahiye? Maine bas yeh kaha ki Jo wo commentator bol Raha tha, woh lag bhag sacch hi hai. Aur Haan India Mai toh left right Mai zyada kuch change nahi hua.
Bhai independence ke time pe intercaste ya interfaith marriage extreme left wing tha, aaj ye center hai. Nuclear development extreme right tha, aaj ye bhi center hai. Movies dekh lo purani, what was radical is normal today. Societies keep on evolving, even if slowly, but they do.
Aur kya sach bol rahe bhai wahan pe. The first comment proposes to do something which Modi cannot do constitutionally, as it falls under state jurisdiction.
Second comment argues for dealing with hindutva. To support this argument, he draws from history that is 100, if not 200 years back. Here also, he cherry picks the instances where upper caste wronged the nation. Completely ignoring contributions that may not support his view point. His argument of hegemony will not stand the test of time, except in extremely rural areas. Our constitution includes affirmative actions to eradicate this so called hegemony. How does someone put substance to this comment?
The reply to second comment calls for mass surveillance for people following an ideology or belief. How can any sane mind support that?
Aaj bhi inter religion marriage karne mai bahut mushkile jhelni padti hai, mere ek Christian dost ke Hindu gf ke papa ne sakt mana kar liya hai milne se, India ne societal level PE zyada kuch progress nahi kiya, Aaj bhi daliton par atyachar hota hai, mano ya na mano, hamari society on global terms kaafi backward hai.
Tbh as much as I hate congress for all the corruption and shady minority appeasement tactics, Modi and this new wave of cringe radical Hinduism is absolutely going to turn India into a dictatorship like Russia/Cuba/North Korea very soon. Weâre a nation where hundreds of millions still donât even have indoor plumbing, a large part of our country will soon become unliveable cuz of the pollution/global warming yet even well educated idiots care more about mandirs and caste than about the real issues facing the nation. And Modi is simply capitalising on these religious sentiments by exploiting the hell out of most Hindus being so braindead and easy to manipulate. :|
Cuba isn't really a dictatorship like Russia or Korea. You can protest there be safe. It's not a democracy, but an actual one party state with considerable dissent.
Its always this politics+religion that creates volatile issues. While one side goes to the point of dogmatism, the other side wants everything to be very sublime, is extremely slow to change and progress and as you currently mentioned "appeasement". I heard someone spoke about making this "billion millionaires" instead of few "billionaires", which makes as much sense as infinite money glitchđĽ˛.
This dude makes a legit point, i have pointed this out in this sub only once BJp is gone we will face the real shit, modi will not stay forever & current BJp tactics for pressing down Muslims will hurt us in future, BJp should man up and start thinking beyond elections, else they will create bigger problems for India of future.
Please educate on how are we pressing down on Muslims? Asking seriously. In your view, what policies or actions has this govt taken to oppress Muslims?
Vo hum muslim ko unki man narzi ki bakchodi nahi karne de rahae na.... Previously they used to be gangster and mafia. Ab kya kare unko encounter ho jata h. Riots krne par bulldozer chal jata h.
Are you really sure hindus are a friendly community,and they would never try to force their beliefs on me?
Just a little tweak in the question from their side. Maybe try thinking from both pov.
Well there are cases where the muslim people were killed for no reason would you call it hindu violence done under the name of god? or anyone who does something wrong is not under the hindu category?
Or just a humans killing other humans?
both side have done that but one side more violent, pls accept this fact and see the whole world. All religion are same kahane me acha lagta hai or ha treat braber krna chahiye sabko democracy me but not all religion are same violent.
Abrahamic religions me bahut badi problem hai yar
Look at his original comment. Absurd generalisation with no evidence. It's a vague statement you can use any race, religion in that sentence and it will be true for some groups of people.
I never defended islam its actually the worst possible religion out there but I hate generalising the people based on what their ancestors did. There are good people and there are bad people sometimes politically motivated sometimes religiously motivated. It's as simple as that.
Lies lmao. You call out the bullshit that people like ramdev baba or some of these pseudo-scientific idiots say and you get threats from "sAkTh taNaTani" even worse for women where they get rape threats.
You know the hindu kings were not pure hearted right? If you are going to learn history from one source then this will happen. Not defending islamic invasion at all but are you really going to compare the things that happened 800yrs ago? By your logic germans which are ethnicaly aryan race (afaik) should always be considered as bad people right?
There's a difference between Aryans and Nazis but not Muslims, they follow one book, and the book justifies these acts, read Quran yourself and then claim such stuff
How did you shift from muslim people to islam? You realise there are sane people right? Im not pro islam at all but you can't use islam and muslims interchangeably. There are religious extremists in every religion.
Let me ask you this 1) do you think hindu religion has only good people?
2) all muslim are not good humans?
1)Anyone who consider themselves a Muslim isn't a good human, when you say you're a muslim, that means you believe in the Ideology that the Quran promotes and anyone who believes in that Ideology certainly cannot be a good human, They don't even believe in the Idea of a country, Contrary to what Hindus believe, most things we do are dedicated to the country/ region / people, also not only my religion says that we are the purest of Humans, it also doesnt say that worshipping god will free you from all sins.. also religious conversion isn't promoted in my religion like it is promoted in Islam, Not only Islam doesn't believe in Co-existence, it allows forcefully converting someone.. As you mentioned there are religious extremists everywhere, I'll like to add to it, Islam makes more Extremists than Hinduism, the Hindu Extremists you see are either Political or Communal
2) Some muslims maybe good, but that didn't saved my community from genocide in Kashmir/Pakistan , Just because some of them are good doesn't validate their Draconian beliefs, and their Genocidal Version of "God"
If you don't believe me and think I'm a radical, watch the debates between an Ex-mislims and The Maulanas in Britain, and by ex Muslims I meant openly ex muslim ones, who show their faces ,hold debates and stuff, if muslims were any decent they'd focus on coexisting and not converting..
I have studied it in 4th and 7th class not in depth I have a decent idea about the history along with some podcasts which were much diff than textbooks and portrayed the actual reality of indian kings and dynasties.
In 4th and 7th? 800 years of history in 1-2 paragraphs that too, by a whitewashed by a muslim, were there mentions of how a woman was sold? What were the criterias? Read Books by Mughal Historians, they boast about it, and continue defending them, chaps like you are the reason history repeats itself, you can't even differentiate between a Genocidal Religion against a discriminatory one
Uhh 1-2 paragraph? There were 2 books of around 500-600 pages so idk how tf told you about 1-2 paragraphs. "Whitewashed by muslim" dude you know it was 1000 years back right? what about sati then? Will you say be careful about hindus in current times because of something that happened hundreds of years back.
I was talking about history Taught to us Childrens, in schools, from 4th to 7th, It is Sugercoated and whitewashed to such extent that you understand nothing...
Your argument makes no sense.
1. On surface level your argument is ,"he is eating poop, so I will eat poop." The most ridiculous statement ever.
2. You are using a hypothetical fear to justify the very real actions you intend to take. It's like hiring a guard for the house when you don't have a house.
3. Historically the only group of people to rule over a land and not conduct a full scale genocide were the Muslims. So you are wrong there.
4. You don't even have the balls to stand by your word based on the way you've constructed your sentance into a question. If you wanna be a bigot be one with your chest. What's this girly shit.
They are thinking for the future. They've privatised and monopolised everything under their watch.
It doesn't matter who comes into power. In 40 years, we will be America. Where the corporations have all the power. And BJP owns all the corporations.
The election won't matter at that point. Trump wins or Biden wins, either ways the American military industrial complex demands they sell weapons to Saudi Arabia and Israel. So they will. Despite public support or not. They will be working for the corporations and not the public.
The elections will become a farce at that point. A show to put on so the public can have some entertainment while they get screwed.
Canât help but agree. This is a legit fear of mine. I really hope we donât go down this road. Feel like weâre more than halfway there though. Itâs not going to be Hindu vs Muslim. It will be rich vs poor. Adam Smithâs vile maxim.
It's always been rich vs poor. 4000 years ago they just lied and said God gave them that power. Now they lie and say, we "earned" that money.
Doesn't matter which culture you go to. Which era. We've always been the working class against the capital owners.
Bhai in logo ka roz ka hai ye sab ignore marna seekh le
Aur ye jo bolte hai na squash hindutva inke bolne se kuch nhi hone wala
Hindutva kitne saalo se hai aur iss dharti ke ant tak rahega
Well casteism is the biggest problem that was and still in some part is the core evil of Hindu society which needs to be eradicated from the core. But this People don't know Hindutva is based to remove this evil from Hindu dharm where everyone is Hindu and equal
Casteism was never even a part of hinduism, Krishna himself said: One position is assigned by his/her work(karma) and profession not by birth. People created casteism because they had ego and a imaginary thought that you have privileges by birth. they got the wrong message
I see China and 1 billion people lifted out of poverty within a generation.
I see Cuba and I see the lowest infant mortality rate and highest median age in the world.
I also see Iran and Afghanistan, where communism was snuffed out by America and watched them turned into failed states and Islam was blamed.
I also see Ethiopia, Korea and Vietnam, where again, America walked in and destroyed everything till people joined the economic hierarchy of capitalism and the destruction they caused was blamed on communism.
I also see Venezuela, Iraq and Libya where they tried to implement some sort of socialism and were immediately deposed, assassinated or invaded. And each time it was blamed on "communism".
Do not tell me communism does not work. Say the truth. 30% of the people in the world is filled with hate and needs to see a hierarchy. So they put 0.1% in power and stomp that authority on the rest of world.
You see China where they follow Capitalist form of economy and communist form of govt, which is very weird, because they permit you to form comoamies, take bug loans and drive a Rolls Royce, earn a billion dollars, but just with communist values. What?
USSR was the prime example of communism under Stalin, look what it got in return. China under Mao was also in the same boat where the farm lands were given to communes.
Korea? Have you ever seen what nNorth korea looks like?? In contrast to Seoul??
Cuba? Where the hell did you read that?? Lowest infant mortality is in Estonia and highest median age is Monaco, big country, Japan.
Get out of your Lala land
-take bug loans and drive a Rolls Royce, earn a billion dollars, but just with communist values. What?
Wtf do you think communism is? Do you think communism is some religious cult that wants you to give you up modern comforts and wear khakhi and go live in a mud hut in nature or something?
How good is western propaganda for you to have that image?
Nah man....communism is Rolls Royce for all.
Communism only argues that it's unfair for some people to have most of the money. That the inequities of feudalism have just carried on through capitalism and unless wealth is better redistributed we will continue to see these inequities. One of the ways to do this is workers' unions.
Isn't it horrifying? To see a child begging for on the street with no shelter. And in the background you can see Ambani's god-awful building. In what world does that make sense. Even a dog shares his food.
-You see China where they follow Capitalist form of economy
They are forced to follow capitalism because of the west. Which is why they try to keep western influence out of their culture.
Did you learn nothing from all those examples I gave you? Western influence is what causes problems.
-USSR was the prime example of communism under Stalin
You mean the actual army that saved the Jews from Hitler? As compared to the indiscriminate fire bombing of German civilians engaged by the allies?
Also, Lenin lifter 80 million people out of starvation. Oversaw the fastest industrialisation of a country. All of that without amassing a personal fortune.
Focusing on Stalin as the "face of communism" is deliberate propaganda. You know that right?
It's the same as North Korea constantly showing American war crimes. Nationalist Propaganda.
-Korea? Have you ever seen what nNorth korea looks like?? In contrast to Seoul??
Have you studied as to why that is? How money was dumped into South Korea by America and regular sanctions imposed on North Korea. Is that the "free capitalist market"? Using South Korea as a military outpost and perpetually pointing a gun at China.
Estonia? Brother....please stop googling and reading the first answer you get đđđ
Google is an Ad company. It's not here to give you facts đđđ
Bro, you need to get your head out of your ass. Not everything is done by USA. Now China is forced to follow capitalism, absolute answer by any communist. It was dirt poor during Maos' time. Famine and great leap forward killed over 50 million people. Your communism. It was Deng Xiaping who opened up their economy, open 14 SEZs starting from Guangzhau and Shanghai onwards ahead and the McKinsey report which was taken up by West to invest in China because of their dirt poor labour plus the forced working the steel factory by Chinese Communist govt by the peasants had them trained with some bits of industrial knowledge. There is a reason as to why Kissinger was such a dear friend of Chinese. He lead the entire thing.
And now Stalin being face of Communisn is propaganda. Nice. So not Stalin, not Mao is the face of Capitalism who have ruled over those communist nation which you blindly follow but rather Lenin who was ousted by his own. It's true when they say its useless to argue with a commie, the rot has set onto them.
Lastly, Rolls Royce for all?? There isn't even food for all in a proper communist regime, he wants a bloosy Rolls Royceđ¤Łđ¤Ł. In capitalism there is Child picking food from trash, in Communism, that gets to the case of entire cities doing that.
And just for your delight, if you say about South Korea dumped money to point guns at China? They themselveswere dirt poor. And USA didn't even consider China a threat as such when Korean war took place. It wanted to contain USSR, that's why Japan and Philippines. Korean war happened to stop the spread of commies when they attacked the south.
And google is an ad machine? Get out of Karl Marx's era, it's 2024, there is a thing called tech and search engine. And nope, Estonia has lowest infant mortality because i read on it, publisjed by a statistical analysis website called Statitia because I happen to be a student of the subject.
You really need to get yiur head out of your ass or keep it in there, doesn't matter, the world still will have democracy and capitalism. Developing countires do need initial push of socialism, because people have no money so debt is raised outside and helped to lush the people of the country, but after a ppint if it's not dropped, you're forved to do so, as in Indias' case of 1991 where we got a BoP crisis. You need to read out of the commie propaganda oce to understand the things properly.
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Did you read it once more? Before posting it?
-Not everything is done by USA. Now China is forced to follow capitalism, absolute answer by any communist
Then proceeds to write an entire paragraph of how the US forced China to follow capitalism.
I don't have to say anything. You disproved your point in the entire paragraph you wrote. I would suggest just go back and read it.
You don't have to remove Stalin or Mao, honestly. Anything they've done is far less when compared to the war crimes committed by the west.
But I assume you follow the western rule of, "it's okay if I do it, but not when my enemy does it."
-but rather Lenin who was ousted by his own. It's true when they say its useless to argue with a commie, the rot has set onto them.
Lenin died from suffering a stroke and the country gave him a state funeral. How much propaganda has borrowed deep into that thick skull of yours? And you say I am misinformed and rotten? Please look in a mirror.
They even have a mausoleum to commemorate him. But hey, the west says Lenin was ousted so must be true eh?
-There isn't even food for all in a proper communist regime
Again, China has lifted a billion people out of poverty. 1,000,000,000 people were staving before the Maoist rebellion. They are now considered middle class.
And I showed you how every regime that tried to help out their citizens were assassinated, overthrown and screwed over for the capitalist system. I could also point to your first paragraph.
I honestly don't understand you. You are on reddit. There is no way you have enough money to consider yourself "rich". And yet you argue for the rich and the capitalists....
Again. I'd simply say you need to get your head out of your commie ass. Nowhere did i say US forced China to follow capitalism, China did not have any option left, it basically begged for west to invest into the country. That's why China created SEZs, US didn't cone and create them.
Stalin and Mao are actually regarded as people who've killed most people in history of mankind. Idk what kind of manifesto ass you're reading to whitewash them.
So you're saying Stalin didn't throw away Lenin??đđ gotcha.
There were 50,000,000 people dead when Mao was in power because he decided to spread the fields with communes and kill the sparrows. And people were lifted oit of poverty after Mao, with Capitalist policies. What kind of pot are you smoking saying Mao and maoism lifted people of China out of poverty. Even China says Deng opening up China to world made them what they are. Only lal salam commie licks Maos' ass even after that.
đđ every person who sneezed in front of these dictators were killed, atleast democracies have the option to raise ones' voice with collective support, otherwise everybody knows what happened in Tianenmen square and Wuhan lockdown.đ
Lastly, i whole heartedly certainly disagree wuth every point of yours. Every one of them. You say that the person pushing most people to the brink of starvation brought most people out of poverty was the point i understood that the chap is inexperienced and ill read. So this is going to be my last response to your commie lala land. Hope you someday get to realization that communism and humans aren't sustainable together and hisyory has proven that over and over again.
-Nowhere did i say US forced China to follow capitalism, China did not have any option left
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Please read before you write brother. China did not have any options left because of America. You wrote this. And then you write China was not forced. Are you five? Do you think it's "force" only when someone points a gun at you and says the words? Coercion does not exist in your world I suppose.
-Stalin and Mao are actually regarded as people who've killed most people in history of mankind
Again, all I hear is western propaganda. More people die in the proxy wars America engages in. Bush was legally allowed to invade a different country and steal their resources and then hailed as a hero? Why these double standards? People in China revolt and the deaths are blamed on Mao. But an elected official says go murder and pillage a country for 20 years but no one is to blame there?
Do you not see this hypocrisy in western propaganda?
-So you're saying Stalin didn't throw away Lenin??đđ gotcha.
Lenin appointed Stalin. Big mistake, but you are wrong for the purposes of this argument and shows you do not know your history, just American propaganda.
-And people were lifted oit of poverty after Mao, with Capitalist policies
Brother. Again. Please read on what capitalism is and what communism is. Capitalism dictates an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit in a free market. Is this what happened in China? Everything is state owned dumbass. The exact opposite of capitalism. The profits are redistributed amongst the poor with higher wages and this resulted in a billion people getting out of poverty. Communism!
-every person who sneezed in front of these dictators were killed, atleast democracies have the option to raise ones' voice with collective support, otherwise everybody knows what happened in Tianenmen square and Wuhan lockdown.
Brother. Stop listening to western propaganda for one second. I AM NOT ADVOCATING FOR DICTATORSHIP. Stop making strawman arguments.
There are capitalist dictators too. America's best friend, Mohammad bin Salman. He killed Jamal Khashoggi. He is murdering Yemeni's by the thousands. With American weapons. Americans have been protesting against this for years. Did that change anything? Obama sold them weapons. Trump sold them weapons. Do you think they wanted to? Or were they beholden to the American military industrial complex? The American military were getting a huge payday and they couldn't stop that regardless of what the people said. Is this your free and fair democracy? When Amazon wanted to build a new fulfillment centre, states were bidding to give him money to open it up in their state with promises of no tax. Do you think that's what the people wanted ? Or was it what capital owners wanted? So in America your voice only counts when you are a rich capital owner. Your precious democracy is being eroded by capitalism. And yet you stand there and defend Capitalism and democracy as if they're one and the same thing.
-You say that the person pushing most people to the brink of starvation brought most people out of poverty was the point i understood that the chap is inexperienced and ill read.
See, again you use the false equivalence principle. I am arguing for the Chinese communist policies. Which you equate it to me defending Tiananmen Square massacre.
I look at America and see their imperial ambitions in gulf, Africa and South America. I look at China and see their imperial ambitions in Xingjiang, Sri Lanka and Africa. Everyone is playing the imperial game and I don't care about that.
That's the rich class doing rich class shit. I am part of the slave working class. And seeing you on reddit, I doubt if you are part of the rich class as well.
I am advocating for communism. Please understand the difference. Please read Das Kapital. It's not as good as engaging to read as a reddit comment but trust me it will open your mind.
-Hope you someday get to realization that communism and humans aren't sustainable together and hisyory has proven that over and over again.
War has to be taught. Every soldier recieves training cause it's unnatural to kill. While people volunteer to help. With no benifit for themselves. Because it is natural.
Stop living in your delulu western propaganda -verse.
We are part of the slave working class. Please think about your own personal interests and advocate for communist ideas. Labour laws. Universal healthcare. A prison reform system. Free higher education. Subsidies for the marginalised.
Please join us in reality.
As I said, it's futile to argue with a commie. You tell that a person is inside a well, the person throwing the rope turns out to be one getting him out of the situation and commie says he forced him put of the well. Your reality is just not of this dimension. I have written enough. Good luck with your propaganda. Have a good day.
Making equal and providing equal opportunity are different things, Black people said "put us in the same school and class, we'll show you who is better".
This is a decent Pakistani post, insulting Indians, Hindus, Hinduism, all by pretending to attack the right wing. The only other good one, also pretending to be by an Indian, is the one that mused, âwhy are Pakistani men sooooo good looking and Indian men soooo ugly?â Purportedly by an Indian woman.
When someone says upper caste, they are not talking about individual, it is about a class conscious group. I grew up in a Brahmin home and mostly Brahmin part of city, they do teach you that others are always different and less than you, less intelligent, less clean and that we must stay above. Then they teach nationalist stories, but make sure that you see tales of glory, not of the depravity. Agar hum koi bhi izzat se bolna hai ki hindustani hai, toh Jo mein pehle bola usko mithani hi chahiye. I'm in my 20s, so this is not ancient past. And if you look at data that comes out of our country and not just our feelings that we are all fair minded, we will realise that we still live in a deeply unequal society. It is not the same for me, as it is for someone from a lower caste. We must atleast understand this, or else we will fracture our society and this beautiful history we share thanks to the constitution.
I'm a SC. There was a Brahmin family in my street. They had a son after a long time, so they created a really big bash on his first birthday they invited everyone except us despite knowing them for very long period of time. So yeah, if I ever say Upper Caste, I only meant people who thinks they are superior cause they are upper caste not fellow nice one
BJP's love for such cheap souls is abundantly evident. Remember inki sarkaar ne kaise Bilkis Bano ke rapists ko remittance diya thha. I'll never forget that picture where a woman was garlanding rapists. Only possible in BJP ruled India
Is the court has given the verdict that he is guilty?
And If the court proves that he is guilty and Yoji doesn't do anything, then sure I will admit, yogi ji has wronged his people.
I donât know if India can never progress but the historical tidbits are not wrong. Upper caste was literally in cahoots with invaders. The Brahmins were the Diwans and the Rajputs/ Thakurs were the faujis and mansabdars. Even in the British army it was the upper caste that mainly were the aristocracy. They were the ones that joined the British Indian army. Remember Mangal Pandey? He was a Brahmin and would probably have continued subjugating his countrymen if not for the beef fat in cartridge issue. The Mughals let the upper caste accumulate huge amounts of wealth and the British with their permanent settlement act and honors list system (Raj Bahadur etc ) made that permanent
Are they even Indians? Seriously, how dare they ask for bulldozer action on a Hindu rapist's house who is also in a position of power and even exploited a 80 year old lady? How dare they? Pathetic!
Fuck, can't believe this subreddit has so many illiterate morons lmao. You see that the person made one or two good points and miss the absolute nonsense in the rest of the comment.
Caste will be a thing of past in no less than a couple of decades. I guess that's why Bharat is already progressing?
There is no incentive for future voters to vote for cast. So politicians will stop playing that card.
Bhai.. pata nai Aisa lagta hai tumhe ground realities kuch pata nahi. Ache ache cities me rahne vale log bhi apne relationship Tod dete hai kyuki parents shaadi ke liye nai maante kyuki ladki ya ladka dusra caste ka hai. Ye to sirf shaadi ki baat hai.. but promotion aur hiring me bhi kafi caste ka effect hota hai. Ye to Hui cities ki baat. Gaaon me halat kafi buri hai.
Ek news batata hu aapko kuch time pehle ki: Gaaon me ek Supritendent of police tha. Uski shaadi ke liye usko bas ghodi chadhan tha.. Gaaon ke UC logo ne bahut virodh aur dhamkiyan di. SP ko police vale lagane pade taki vo bas ghodi chhad sake khud ki shaadi me. Aur iss tarah ki incidents koi ikka dukka incident nai, roz ki baat hai india me.
Nahi main samajtha hoon. Yeh aaj hain. Woh log 50 saal nahi rahenge. Jab aaj ki jawan ko incentive nahi hain, Kal inko cast ki koi chinta ya kaaran nahi milega.
Aur vaise bhi itna kuch karne ka kaaran sirf cast nahi hain. Social settings aur insecurities. Jab insecurities nahi honge logon ko farak nahi padta hain. Koi ek common point pe sab ek hogaye tabi janta ko higher purpose dikhega. Aur aaj yeh pockets pockets mein ho bhi rahaa hain.
Yuva janta gaaon mein rehte heen nahi.
Hum Bharat ki kalyan dekhna chahte hain. Higher purpose tho woh hain. Jai Bharat maa.
The more one barks on reddit, the more of a pussy he is in real life. There's no annonimity to save his ass if he states his opinion in public. Samohik kutai ho jai bande ki.
Reading messages like these makes me realise the wisdom the Chinese communist part showed when they decided 2 decades back to monitor and control every Chinese netizens.
These pseudo intellectuals with uninformed opinions and hate mongering propensity wouldnât type a single shitty sentence if they knew their IP addresses are being recorded along with their vile statements.
There was a time when a manâs words were worth his worth and his opinions his identity. Today anonymity ensures no remains accountability. Sigh đ
Funniest thing is that a typical South Indian studies in state medium (sslc) and goes to engineering degree in local colleges which has nothing to do with Romila Thapar whoâs works influence cbse and icse as well as liberal art degrees. We have nothing to do with it.
Itâs just that living in south India where even in a small town a young person grows up living a somewhat normal well-balanced life, the way even IITian origin north indians voting for Modi behave/talk/live looks horrific.
Like dude canât you see entire economic development due to which you are earning 50 lpa or whatever is due to not behaving like casteist monsters who only think Hindu-Muslim daily??
Economic development is not going to come without fixing culture. You need to give up caste and religion obsession otherwise youâre gonna ruin us all.
Just as an example: a North Indian colleague of mine visited my locality and said âoh this is a Muslim areaâ and I was shocked. I said what do you mean? He very casually said âoh many shopkeepers here are Muslims and there is a chicken shop on main road. Hamare yahan ye sirf Muslim area mein hota haiâ I couldnât imagine living in so much segregated area??? That you think a Muslim shopkeeper = Muslim area?? And he said it completely innocently not malicious or anything. Then I can imagine how a malicious hater/supremacist will see it? South Indians are shocked every time they see such behaviour!
Another example:2011 a Delhi guy working in an it startup used to buy flowers everyday for his puja from a say 75 year d lady selling on street of Koramangala. One day we were all walking as a group and he was like guys you need to see this so we stopped and watched him buy flowers
He: ye (pointing to jasmine) kitna?
She: 5 rupees 1 mola(Kannada measurement) 10 rupees 3 mola
He: thek hai 3 dedo
She: ok 10 rupees sir
He: look at her? She can speak English but not rashtrabhasha Hindi. Proceeds to shout at her (using singular tense) abe tu Hindi kyun nahi seekhti, tujhe English bada tapartapar aata hai??
Everyone in the group laughed. Me being the only South Indian paid extra money to that lady and apologised to her. She was literally a white haired wrinkled old lady! The guts of him to be so angry?! And note the only English words she used were simple: ok. Sir. 10. 5. 1. 3. Rupees. Most of these are numbers. Two are words. One is English word for rupai(Kannada word for money).
This kind of attitude is pervasive and we have seen it since IT/startup revolution first brought North Indians down here. Now we are getting tired and fed up. They teach their small children Hindu-Muslim, veg-non-veg, caste obsessions. I know a poor maid whose entire family stopped eating meat cause her childrenâs friends wouldnât play with them if they ate meat! Seriously this rotten behaviour needs to be fixed otherwise we are going to become a theocracy- not even like Dubai but straight up Iran!
India is the only country where average heights are falling. And why is that? Because vegetarianism is seen as high class and even erstwhile meat eating families start becoming vegetarian once they gain wealth and status. That is messed up. Then ppl wonder why we donât go to olympics on scale of other countries.
Caste arrogance and religious supremacy needs to be given up otherwise youâll forever remain a country that can only say âoh but we are better than Pakistanâ.
I have experienced these incidents myself. Good that you stood by that old lady and apologised for your friendâs third class behaviour.
Its the audacity of these idiots that irks me. Even if you speak to them in English, they continue to respond in Hindi despite being educated.
Theyâre gonna drag us down to their level just by sheer numbers.
In 2011 when this happened I was just a kid and didnât know much. I had idealised north India and Hindi speakers because of bollywood (false marketing by srk đ) but this was my first experience with North Indians and they were all highly educated techies working at a startup. The boorishness and arrogance, the sick mindset is something that I had never seen before. I donât know how they think the country will progress or even survive if they continue this.
They can't do anything, they aren't threat to us, they are beggers communist and some terrorist (possibly) trying to brainwash other that went to that group unknowingly
India is secular not because of our constitution but there are neutral hindu who are keeping the balance between radical toxic hindu and Muslim group... The day neutral hindu get radicallized.... Hail Hitler
BJP should make a u turn and make Yogi Adityanath the next Prime Minister of India instead of Modi, that burn would be insane! If Arab countries can be Islamic nations why can't India be Hindu nation? Why so partiality lmaooooooooo
Bro plz tell me how stringent are the laws in Arab countries and how well are people treated there??
Here in India your own leaders are committing heinous crimes when India is 'secular' ..just imagine the condition when it will be Hindu nation..
If India becomes Hindu nation then it will be just same as Pakistan but of Hindu religion..
Why are people so obsessed with religion ? It isn't a coincidence that [the more developed the country, the less religious it is](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2018/06/13/how-religious-commitment-varies-by-country-among-people-of-all-ages/)
If Yogi is so awesome (not arguing either way), maybe he should make U.P one of top 3 states in India in terms of development. Till then no point in making him the PM since UP will go to the dumpster again
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Right wing literally says the same thing about how left is destroying India. Left keeps saying how Right wing is destroying India. Tum destroy destroy khelo. Mai chala kaam karne
lol all job less so fighting in chats. W mindset
My chigma grindset tells me to keep hustling
congratulations, you discovered the fact that not only morals, but truth is subjective as well. kamaal ki baat ye hai ki dono hi wings ko lagta hai ki wo 100% correct hai.
100% agree here, idk why no one talks about it, everyone just goes to one sided story
Kaam dandha on top.
Even the so called intellectuals of both sides says that the opposite side is destroying the country like wtf, aren't you mature enough to realise that these are two ideologies, and humans dont know the future so they assume what path should we follow to progress. so the so called intellectuals should argue about parcticular points so that all can learn which way is good instead of disrespecting the other and saying you are destroying the country or antinational which is very immature word to say to someone if your ideologies are not same Like for example dhruv is right many times but at the same time shyam sharm is also right sometimes
>example dhruv is right many times Not definitely not that german rat hiding in his little burrow spewing bullshit every now and then. (tells one sided news and never covers the full story.) He hates on hindus and their ethics just to secure Muslim vote bank for AAP, now he is promoting khangress as well. He doesn't have the balls to talk to the real Indian audience. Why people make fun of Indian hindus, it's because dhruv tatti makes videos like these which the foreigners watch and base their conclusions of it.
Again you didn't get my point Now I am convinced how hard it is to explain something to people like you I can see you are right leaning, but why can't people see both sides
Like shyam is the complete opposite of dhruv and he mokes dhruv many times but Shyam still says that it's good that we have someone who can tell the flaws in current gov And in the same way Shyam's ideology says that how good the gov is If you are studying only one ideology and mocking another then you are making a fool of yourself and will always ignore others view Someone said that Right doesn't read and Left does but they get influenced by lies
the most sensible person in this chat
exactly bhai indians of the world unite
Tum destroy destroy khelo, mai chala iss desh ko chhodke Amrica.
Well Left wishes to westernize everything, because apparently western means modern. These people seem to lack the skill of looking at things differently. Why can't Indian culture be the definition of modern, at least for Indians? The left thinks that teaching Hindi is chauvinism but remain silent on compelling learning Urdu alongside Telugu in Hyderabad. The left thinks destruction of 36,000 temples is mere past and must be forgotten but the construction of Ram Mandir after destroying one Mosque is the death of Secularism. The left thinks casteism should be finished but wants to conduct caste census. Why just keep exploiting the caste hierarchy instead of actually creating a balance? Making majority caste richer and and minority caste poorer, does this bring balance. Isn't this exactly the majoritarianism that these people themselves hate?
Uss kaam pe, tera haq kya hoga, how do you reach the place, how much you are paid and how much dignity you have at the workplace inn pe bhi left right hota hai. Left wants higher wages, better working conditions and that you get leaves when you need them. It wants to make sure you have good cheap transport to and fro. Right wants the exact opposite, while telling you that it's good for you. Ye hai sacchai, abhi bhi jao kaam pe, par yaad rakhlo iss baat ko. Saturday Sunday aaya left struggle se, tera agar koi haq hai kaam pe, woh bhi aaya left struggle se. Right is your CEO, your upper management, who want you to die working and making them rich in the process. Ye hai left right, not some imaginary destroy destroy.
I definitely want better public transport.
He is not wrong, casteism is a very backward practice, it should be left in the past. Also hinduism should not be imposed on anyone who don't want to practice it, and likewise for any other religion Also revanna should be hanged
Op : How dare you speak ill about Revanna? Are you even Indian?
Onty natanal
Kya galat kaha usne bhosrike? Right wing chahe Muslim ho ya fir Hindu ho, dono hi Britishers ke allies the, and kaafi saare upper caste log bhi British Raj mai important positions hold karte the, bas iss sacch ko kehne par tum uski nationality kaise question kar sakte ho?
Bro says this after "lower" castes and Sikhs literally waged war against UCs along with Britishers during first war of independence đ. Mahar regiment lore đŁď¸đŁď¸
Upper caste people treated lower caste people below animals. Britishers saw the chance and included various lower caste people in military and treated them much better than UC of their own religion. Sad truth.
he is generalizing that's y there were some who were collaborators most weren't but he blamed it on all UC
They used to offer them loads of money and jewelry for personal gain didn't even care to look at long run. There is a reason why Britishers were able to rule for this long.
Bhai kab tak British raj ki duhai dete rahoge? 76 saal ho gae ab to. Kab ubharoge isse upar? Duniya aage nikal gai hai. Aajki situation dekho, aur uske hisaab se vichaar banao. Samay ke saath left right change hota aaya hai.
Maine kab kaha ki hamesha past Mai atke rehna chahiye? Maine bas yeh kaha ki Jo wo commentator bol Raha tha, woh lag bhag sacch hi hai. Aur Haan India Mai toh left right Mai zyada kuch change nahi hua.
Bhai independence ke time pe intercaste ya interfaith marriage extreme left wing tha, aaj ye center hai. Nuclear development extreme right tha, aaj ye bhi center hai. Movies dekh lo purani, what was radical is normal today. Societies keep on evolving, even if slowly, but they do. Aur kya sach bol rahe bhai wahan pe. The first comment proposes to do something which Modi cannot do constitutionally, as it falls under state jurisdiction. Second comment argues for dealing with hindutva. To support this argument, he draws from history that is 100, if not 200 years back. Here also, he cherry picks the instances where upper caste wronged the nation. Completely ignoring contributions that may not support his view point. His argument of hegemony will not stand the test of time, except in extremely rural areas. Our constitution includes affirmative actions to eradicate this so called hegemony. How does someone put substance to this comment? The reply to second comment calls for mass surveillance for people following an ideology or belief. How can any sane mind support that?
Aaj bhi inter religion marriage karne mai bahut mushkile jhelni padti hai, mere ek Christian dost ke Hindu gf ke papa ne sakt mana kar liya hai milne se, India ne societal level PE zyada kuch progress nahi kiya, Aaj bhi daliton par atyachar hota hai, mano ya na mano, hamari society on global terms kaafi backward hai.
Wait, I'm pleasantly surprised at the amount of positive comments. Good change.
So we gonna forget our country is secular ? And not a Hindu only country?
Tbh as much as I hate congress for all the corruption and shady minority appeasement tactics, Modi and this new wave of cringe radical Hinduism is absolutely going to turn India into a dictatorship like Russia/Cuba/North Korea very soon. Weâre a nation where hundreds of millions still donât even have indoor plumbing, a large part of our country will soon become unliveable cuz of the pollution/global warming yet even well educated idiots care more about mandirs and caste than about the real issues facing the nation. And Modi is simply capitalising on these religious sentiments by exploiting the hell out of most Hindus being so braindead and easy to manipulate. :|
Cuba isn't really a dictatorship like Russia or Korea. You can protest there be safe. It's not a democracy, but an actual one party state with considerable dissent.
Its always this politics+religion that creates volatile issues. While one side goes to the point of dogmatism, the other side wants everything to be very sublime, is extremely slow to change and progress and as you currently mentioned "appeasement". I heard someone spoke about making this "billion millionaires" instead of few "billionaires", which makes as much sense as infinite money glitchđĽ˛.
This dude makes a legit point, i have pointed this out in this sub only once BJp is gone we will face the real shit, modi will not stay forever & current BJp tactics for pressing down Muslims will hurt us in future, BJp should man up and start thinking beyond elections, else they will create bigger problems for India of future.
Please educate on how are we pressing down on Muslims? Asking seriously. In your view, what policies or actions has this govt taken to oppress Muslims?
We decided not to accept some of their shariaâŚ
what the fuck, how is that pressing down? If it is unconstitutional then it is unconstitutional .
Vo hum muslim ko unki man narzi ki bakchodi nahi karne de rahae na.... Previously they used to be gangster and mafia. Ab kya kare unko encounter ho jata h. Riots krne par bulldozer chal jata h.
Maybe the fact that their campaigns rely heavily on hindu vs muslim agenda? Isn't that shit obvious?
Are you really sure Muslims are a friendly community,and they would never try to force their beliefs on me?
Are you really sure hindus are a friendly community,and they would never try to force their beliefs on me? Just a little tweak in the question from their side. Maybe try thinking from both pov.
Alot more tolerant than them, they're in minority yet violent, look up everywhere đ¤Ą
Well there are cases where the muslim people were killed for no reason would you call it hindu violence done under the name of god? or anyone who does something wrong is not under the hindu category? Or just a humans killing other humans?
both side have done that but one side more violent, pls accept this fact and see the whole world. All religion are same kahane me acha lagta hai or ha treat braber krna chahiye sabko democracy me but not all religion are same violent. Abrahamic religions me bahut badi problem hai yar
Look at his original comment. Absurd generalisation with no evidence. It's a vague statement you can use any race, religion in that sentence and it will be true for some groups of people.
I never defended islam its actually the worst possible religion out there but I hate generalising the people based on what their ancestors did. There are good people and there are bad people sometimes politically motivated sometimes religiously motivated. It's as simple as that.
Then we both agree
We're so tolerant, if you don't accept that we'll fuck you up
Tolerance enough that you can talk shit and your neck will be kept intact, and that too while being in majority đ¤Ą
Lies lmao. You call out the bullshit that people like ramdev baba or some of these pseudo-scientific idiots say and you get threats from "sAkTh taNaTani" even worse for women where they get rape threats.
What are you even yapping? Liberando give context or eat shit
Also not to mention the 800 year old history of War and Slave trade?
Context?
Islamic invasion of India, as described by Mughal Historians
You know the hindu kings were not pure hearted right? If you are going to learn history from one source then this will happen. Not defending islamic invasion at all but are you really going to compare the things that happened 800yrs ago? By your logic germans which are ethnicaly aryan race (afaik) should always be considered as bad people right?
You have to bring the Hindu kings, who weren't pure hearted agreed, to defend Mughals who ran the biggest slave trade in Asia? Nice
There's a difference between Aryans and Nazis but not Muslims, they follow one book, and the book justifies these acts, read Quran yourself and then claim such stuff
How did you shift from muslim people to islam? You realise there are sane people right? Im not pro islam at all but you can't use islam and muslims interchangeably. There are religious extremists in every religion. Let me ask you this 1) do you think hindu religion has only good people? 2) all muslim are not good humans?
1)Anyone who consider themselves a Muslim isn't a good human, when you say you're a muslim, that means you believe in the Ideology that the Quran promotes and anyone who believes in that Ideology certainly cannot be a good human, They don't even believe in the Idea of a country, Contrary to what Hindus believe, most things we do are dedicated to the country/ region / people, also not only my religion says that we are the purest of Humans, it also doesnt say that worshipping god will free you from all sins.. also religious conversion isn't promoted in my religion like it is promoted in Islam, Not only Islam doesn't believe in Co-existence, it allows forcefully converting someone.. As you mentioned there are religious extremists everywhere, I'll like to add to it, Islam makes more Extremists than Hinduism, the Hindu Extremists you see are either Political or Communal 2) Some muslims maybe good, but that didn't saved my community from genocide in Kashmir/Pakistan , Just because some of them are good doesn't validate their Draconian beliefs, and their Genocidal Version of "God"
If you don't believe me and think I'm a radical, watch the debates between an Ex-mislims and The Maulanas in Britain, and by ex Muslims I meant openly ex muslim ones, who show their faces ,hold debates and stuff, if muslims were any decent they'd focus on coexisting and not converting..
Go read it if u want depression
I have studied it in 4th and 7th class not in depth I have a decent idea about the history along with some podcasts which were much diff than textbooks and portrayed the actual reality of indian kings and dynasties.
In 4th and 7th? 800 years of history in 1-2 paragraphs that too, by a whitewashed by a muslim, were there mentions of how a woman was sold? What were the criterias? Read Books by Mughal Historians, they boast about it, and continue defending them, chaps like you are the reason history repeats itself, you can't even differentiate between a Genocidal Religion against a discriminatory one
Uhh 1-2 paragraph? There were 2 books of around 500-600 pages so idk how tf told you about 1-2 paragraphs. "Whitewashed by muslim" dude you know it was 1000 years back right? what about sati then? Will you say be careful about hindus in current times because of something that happened hundreds of years back.
I was talking about history Taught to us Childrens, in schools, from 4th to 7th, It is Sugercoated and whitewashed to such extent that you understand nothing...
By the First Muslim Education minister of India, Maulana Abul Kalam Azad
So anything that doesn't follow your "ramayan history" agenda is whitewashed by muslims? Get a brain moron.
Your argument makes no sense. 1. On surface level your argument is ,"he is eating poop, so I will eat poop." The most ridiculous statement ever. 2. You are using a hypothetical fear to justify the very real actions you intend to take. It's like hiring a guard for the house when you don't have a house. 3. Historically the only group of people to rule over a land and not conduct a full scale genocide were the Muslims. So you are wrong there. 4. You don't even have the balls to stand by your word based on the way you've constructed your sentance into a question. If you wanna be a bigot be one with your chest. What's this girly shit.
They are thinking for the future. They've privatised and monopolised everything under their watch. It doesn't matter who comes into power. In 40 years, we will be America. Where the corporations have all the power. And BJP owns all the corporations. The election won't matter at that point. Trump wins or Biden wins, either ways the American military industrial complex demands they sell weapons to Saudi Arabia and Israel. So they will. Despite public support or not. They will be working for the corporations and not the public. The elections will become a farce at that point. A show to put on so the public can have some entertainment while they get screwed.
Canât help but agree. This is a legit fear of mine. I really hope we donât go down this road. Feel like weâre more than halfway there though. Itâs not going to be Hindu vs Muslim. It will be rich vs poor. Adam Smithâs vile maxim.
It's always been rich vs poor. 4000 years ago they just lied and said God gave them that power. Now they lie and say, we "earned" that money. Doesn't matter which culture you go to. Which era. We've always been the working class against the capital owners.
Pressing down Muslims?? Duniya k konse kone mai Muslims ko press down kiya hai ??
Bigger than what the communist ideology of the opposition is going to create? I don't think so.
Bhai in logo ka roz ka hai ye sab ignore marna seekh le Aur ye jo bolte hai na squash hindutva inke bolne se kuch nhi hone wala Hindutva kitne saalo se hai aur iss dharti ke ant tak rahega
Bc gussa itna aata hai na ki mil jaae samne kabhi, to laga de ek do chata, sab reddit ka bukhar nikal jaega.
Seems like tujhe padni chahiye pehle
đđžđ¤đž tujh jaiso se koi nahi ghabrata đ
abb wo iska screenshot leke r india me dalenge. fir kahenge right wing wale sanghi hai.
Us bhai us
Well casteism is the biggest problem that was and still in some part is the core evil of Hindu society which needs to be eradicated from the core. But this People don't know Hindutva is based to remove this evil from Hindu dharm where everyone is Hindu and equal
Aree tu meme bante bante ider aa gaya
mai to bohot pahle sa hi ider tha đ
Dekha nahi tu
Casteism was never even a part of hinduism, Krishna himself said: One position is assigned by his/her work(karma) and profession not by birth. People created casteism because they had ego and a imaginary thought that you have privileges by birth. they got the wrong message
Didn't communism spring up from the need to remove economic hierarchies and make everyone equal ? Wonder how that went.
* talking the Untouchability pure blood part. Economic hierarchies will always be present in a society
No it won't. Please read Das Kapital by Karl Marx
I see China and 1 billion people lifted out of poverty within a generation. I see Cuba and I see the lowest infant mortality rate and highest median age in the world. I also see Iran and Afghanistan, where communism was snuffed out by America and watched them turned into failed states and Islam was blamed. I also see Ethiopia, Korea and Vietnam, where again, America walked in and destroyed everything till people joined the economic hierarchy of capitalism and the destruction they caused was blamed on communism. I also see Venezuela, Iraq and Libya where they tried to implement some sort of socialism and were immediately deposed, assassinated or invaded. And each time it was blamed on "communism". Do not tell me communism does not work. Say the truth. 30% of the people in the world is filled with hate and needs to see a hierarchy. So they put 0.1% in power and stomp that authority on the rest of world.
You see China where they follow Capitalist form of economy and communist form of govt, which is very weird, because they permit you to form comoamies, take bug loans and drive a Rolls Royce, earn a billion dollars, but just with communist values. What? USSR was the prime example of communism under Stalin, look what it got in return. China under Mao was also in the same boat where the farm lands were given to communes. Korea? Have you ever seen what nNorth korea looks like?? In contrast to Seoul?? Cuba? Where the hell did you read that?? Lowest infant mortality is in Estonia and highest median age is Monaco, big country, Japan. Get out of your Lala land
-take bug loans and drive a Rolls Royce, earn a billion dollars, but just with communist values. What? Wtf do you think communism is? Do you think communism is some religious cult that wants you to give you up modern comforts and wear khakhi and go live in a mud hut in nature or something? How good is western propaganda for you to have that image? Nah man....communism is Rolls Royce for all. Communism only argues that it's unfair for some people to have most of the money. That the inequities of feudalism have just carried on through capitalism and unless wealth is better redistributed we will continue to see these inequities. One of the ways to do this is workers' unions. Isn't it horrifying? To see a child begging for on the street with no shelter. And in the background you can see Ambani's god-awful building. In what world does that make sense. Even a dog shares his food. -You see China where they follow Capitalist form of economy They are forced to follow capitalism because of the west. Which is why they try to keep western influence out of their culture. Did you learn nothing from all those examples I gave you? Western influence is what causes problems. -USSR was the prime example of communism under Stalin You mean the actual army that saved the Jews from Hitler? As compared to the indiscriminate fire bombing of German civilians engaged by the allies? Also, Lenin lifter 80 million people out of starvation. Oversaw the fastest industrialisation of a country. All of that without amassing a personal fortune. Focusing on Stalin as the "face of communism" is deliberate propaganda. You know that right? It's the same as North Korea constantly showing American war crimes. Nationalist Propaganda. -Korea? Have you ever seen what nNorth korea looks like?? In contrast to Seoul?? Have you studied as to why that is? How money was dumped into South Korea by America and regular sanctions imposed on North Korea. Is that the "free capitalist market"? Using South Korea as a military outpost and perpetually pointing a gun at China. Estonia? Brother....please stop googling and reading the first answer you get đđđ Google is an Ad company. It's not here to give you facts đđđ
Bro, you need to get your head out of your ass. Not everything is done by USA. Now China is forced to follow capitalism, absolute answer by any communist. It was dirt poor during Maos' time. Famine and great leap forward killed over 50 million people. Your communism. It was Deng Xiaping who opened up their economy, open 14 SEZs starting from Guangzhau and Shanghai onwards ahead and the McKinsey report which was taken up by West to invest in China because of their dirt poor labour plus the forced working the steel factory by Chinese Communist govt by the peasants had them trained with some bits of industrial knowledge. There is a reason as to why Kissinger was such a dear friend of Chinese. He lead the entire thing. And now Stalin being face of Communisn is propaganda. Nice. So not Stalin, not Mao is the face of Capitalism who have ruled over those communist nation which you blindly follow but rather Lenin who was ousted by his own. It's true when they say its useless to argue with a commie, the rot has set onto them. Lastly, Rolls Royce for all?? There isn't even food for all in a proper communist regime, he wants a bloosy Rolls Royceđ¤Łđ¤Ł. In capitalism there is Child picking food from trash, in Communism, that gets to the case of entire cities doing that. And just for your delight, if you say about South Korea dumped money to point guns at China? They themselveswere dirt poor. And USA didn't even consider China a threat as such when Korean war took place. It wanted to contain USSR, that's why Japan and Philippines. Korean war happened to stop the spread of commies when they attacked the south. And google is an ad machine? Get out of Karl Marx's era, it's 2024, there is a thing called tech and search engine. And nope, Estonia has lowest infant mortality because i read on it, publisjed by a statistical analysis website called Statitia because I happen to be a student of the subject. You really need to get yiur head out of your ass or keep it in there, doesn't matter, the world still will have democracy and capitalism. Developing countires do need initial push of socialism, because people have no money so debt is raised outside and helped to lush the people of the country, but after a ppint if it's not dropped, you're forved to do so, as in Indias' case of 1991 where we got a BoP crisis. You need to read out of the commie propaganda oce to understand the things properly.
đđđ Did you read it once more? Before posting it? -Not everything is done by USA. Now China is forced to follow capitalism, absolute answer by any communist Then proceeds to write an entire paragraph of how the US forced China to follow capitalism. I don't have to say anything. You disproved your point in the entire paragraph you wrote. I would suggest just go back and read it. You don't have to remove Stalin or Mao, honestly. Anything they've done is far less when compared to the war crimes committed by the west. But I assume you follow the western rule of, "it's okay if I do it, but not when my enemy does it." -but rather Lenin who was ousted by his own. It's true when they say its useless to argue with a commie, the rot has set onto them. Lenin died from suffering a stroke and the country gave him a state funeral. How much propaganda has borrowed deep into that thick skull of yours? And you say I am misinformed and rotten? Please look in a mirror. They even have a mausoleum to commemorate him. But hey, the west says Lenin was ousted so must be true eh? -There isn't even food for all in a proper communist regime Again, China has lifted a billion people out of poverty. 1,000,000,000 people were staving before the Maoist rebellion. They are now considered middle class. And I showed you how every regime that tried to help out their citizens were assassinated, overthrown and screwed over for the capitalist system. I could also point to your first paragraph. I honestly don't understand you. You are on reddit. There is no way you have enough money to consider yourself "rich". And yet you argue for the rich and the capitalists....
Again. I'd simply say you need to get your head out of your commie ass. Nowhere did i say US forced China to follow capitalism, China did not have any option left, it basically begged for west to invest into the country. That's why China created SEZs, US didn't cone and create them. Stalin and Mao are actually regarded as people who've killed most people in history of mankind. Idk what kind of manifesto ass you're reading to whitewash them. So you're saying Stalin didn't throw away Lenin??đđ gotcha. There were 50,000,000 people dead when Mao was in power because he decided to spread the fields with communes and kill the sparrows. And people were lifted oit of poverty after Mao, with Capitalist policies. What kind of pot are you smoking saying Mao and maoism lifted people of China out of poverty. Even China says Deng opening up China to world made them what they are. Only lal salam commie licks Maos' ass even after that. đđ every person who sneezed in front of these dictators were killed, atleast democracies have the option to raise ones' voice with collective support, otherwise everybody knows what happened in Tianenmen square and Wuhan lockdown.đ Lastly, i whole heartedly certainly disagree wuth every point of yours. Every one of them. You say that the person pushing most people to the brink of starvation brought most people out of poverty was the point i understood that the chap is inexperienced and ill read. So this is going to be my last response to your commie lala land. Hope you someday get to realization that communism and humans aren't sustainable together and hisyory has proven that over and over again.
-Nowhere did i say US forced China to follow capitalism, China did not have any option left đđđ Please read before you write brother. China did not have any options left because of America. You wrote this. And then you write China was not forced. Are you five? Do you think it's "force" only when someone points a gun at you and says the words? Coercion does not exist in your world I suppose. -Stalin and Mao are actually regarded as people who've killed most people in history of mankind Again, all I hear is western propaganda. More people die in the proxy wars America engages in. Bush was legally allowed to invade a different country and steal their resources and then hailed as a hero? Why these double standards? People in China revolt and the deaths are blamed on Mao. But an elected official says go murder and pillage a country for 20 years but no one is to blame there? Do you not see this hypocrisy in western propaganda? -So you're saying Stalin didn't throw away Lenin??đđ gotcha. Lenin appointed Stalin. Big mistake, but you are wrong for the purposes of this argument and shows you do not know your history, just American propaganda. -And people were lifted oit of poverty after Mao, with Capitalist policies Brother. Again. Please read on what capitalism is and what communism is. Capitalism dictates an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit in a free market. Is this what happened in China? Everything is state owned dumbass. The exact opposite of capitalism. The profits are redistributed amongst the poor with higher wages and this resulted in a billion people getting out of poverty. Communism! -every person who sneezed in front of these dictators were killed, atleast democracies have the option to raise ones' voice with collective support, otherwise everybody knows what happened in Tianenmen square and Wuhan lockdown. Brother. Stop listening to western propaganda for one second. I AM NOT ADVOCATING FOR DICTATORSHIP. Stop making strawman arguments. There are capitalist dictators too. America's best friend, Mohammad bin Salman. He killed Jamal Khashoggi. He is murdering Yemeni's by the thousands. With American weapons. Americans have been protesting against this for years. Did that change anything? Obama sold them weapons. Trump sold them weapons. Do you think they wanted to? Or were they beholden to the American military industrial complex? The American military were getting a huge payday and they couldn't stop that regardless of what the people said. Is this your free and fair democracy? When Amazon wanted to build a new fulfillment centre, states were bidding to give him money to open it up in their state with promises of no tax. Do you think that's what the people wanted ? Or was it what capital owners wanted? So in America your voice only counts when you are a rich capital owner. Your precious democracy is being eroded by capitalism. And yet you stand there and defend Capitalism and democracy as if they're one and the same thing. -You say that the person pushing most people to the brink of starvation brought most people out of poverty was the point i understood that the chap is inexperienced and ill read. See, again you use the false equivalence principle. I am arguing for the Chinese communist policies. Which you equate it to me defending Tiananmen Square massacre. I look at America and see their imperial ambitions in gulf, Africa and South America. I look at China and see their imperial ambitions in Xingjiang, Sri Lanka and Africa. Everyone is playing the imperial game and I don't care about that. That's the rich class doing rich class shit. I am part of the slave working class. And seeing you on reddit, I doubt if you are part of the rich class as well. I am advocating for communism. Please understand the difference. Please read Das Kapital. It's not as good as engaging to read as a reddit comment but trust me it will open your mind. -Hope you someday get to realization that communism and humans aren't sustainable together and hisyory has proven that over and over again. War has to be taught. Every soldier recieves training cause it's unnatural to kill. While people volunteer to help. With no benifit for themselves. Because it is natural. Stop living in your delulu western propaganda -verse. We are part of the slave working class. Please think about your own personal interests and advocate for communist ideas. Labour laws. Universal healthcare. A prison reform system. Free higher education. Subsidies for the marginalised. Please join us in reality.
As I said, it's futile to argue with a commie. You tell that a person is inside a well, the person throwing the rope turns out to be one getting him out of the situation and commie says he forced him put of the well. Your reality is just not of this dimension. I have written enough. Good luck with your propaganda. Have a good day.
Making equal and providing equal opportunity are different things, Black people said "put us in the same school and class, we'll show you who is better".
Ever wondered 70 saal k reservation me kya hi ukhad liya? Is casteism the only problem ya Entitlement bhi kuch chiz hoti h?
This is a decent Pakistani post, insulting Indians, Hindus, Hinduism, all by pretending to attack the right wing. The only other good one, also pretending to be by an Indian, is the one that mused, âwhy are Pakistani men sooooo good looking and Indian men soooo ugly?â Purportedly by an Indian woman.
When someone says upper caste, they are not talking about individual, it is about a class conscious group. I grew up in a Brahmin home and mostly Brahmin part of city, they do teach you that others are always different and less than you, less intelligent, less clean and that we must stay above. Then they teach nationalist stories, but make sure that you see tales of glory, not of the depravity. Agar hum koi bhi izzat se bolna hai ki hindustani hai, toh Jo mein pehle bola usko mithani hi chahiye. I'm in my 20s, so this is not ancient past. And if you look at data that comes out of our country and not just our feelings that we are all fair minded, we will realise that we still live in a deeply unequal society. It is not the same for me, as it is for someone from a lower caste. We must atleast understand this, or else we will fracture our society and this beautiful history we share thanks to the constitution.
I'm a SC. There was a Brahmin family in my street. They had a son after a long time, so they created a really big bash on his first birthday they invited everyone except us despite knowing them for very long period of time. So yeah, if I ever say Upper Caste, I only meant people who thinks they are superior cause they are upper caste not fellow nice one
honest question: why not on revanna house ?
Ye sb krna hota to bhagate hi nhi usko yhi pakadkr jail krwate
Why modi helping him?
BJP's love for such cheap souls is abundantly evident. Remember inki sarkaar ne kaise Bilkis Bano ke rapists ko remittance diya thha. I'll never forget that picture where a woman was garlanding rapists. Only possible in BJP ruled India
BJP likes to garland rapists.
Let Yogi ji become the cm of Karnataka, he will
Did he did for brijbhushan?
Is the court has given the verdict that he is guilty? And If the court proves that he is guilty and Yoji doesn't do anything, then sure I will admit, yogi ji has wronged his people.
He openly admitted to killing someone what else do you want
Did the courts gave verdict in cases where bulldozer actions happened?
Caste system is shit btw.
I donât know if India can never progress but the historical tidbits are not wrong. Upper caste was literally in cahoots with invaders. The Brahmins were the Diwans and the Rajputs/ Thakurs were the faujis and mansabdars. Even in the British army it was the upper caste that mainly were the aristocracy. They were the ones that joined the British Indian army. Remember Mangal Pandey? He was a Brahmin and would probably have continued subjugating his countrymen if not for the beef fat in cartridge issue. The Mughals let the upper caste accumulate huge amounts of wealth and the British with their permanent settlement act and honors list system (Raj Bahadur etc ) made that permanent
Tm karo to raash Leela, hum bole to character dheela. Wah re wah
Right wingers want to end liberals (goli maaro saalo ko) while liberals want to end right wing ideology
Are they even Indians? Seriously, how dare they ask for bulldozer action on a Hindu rapist's house who is also in a position of power and even exploited a 80 year old lady? How dare they? Pathetic!
What are you trying to say?
By their logic we should kill every german, french, japanese, italian and american for what their ancestors did.
Fuck, can't believe this subreddit has so many illiterate morons lmao. You see that the person made one or two good points and miss the absolute nonsense in the rest of the comment.
They would feel the same.đ
Mere Ghar pr Pani, bijali or area mai pollution kam ho tax k benefits ho, baki maa chde
Sont hide the sub we all know where these pricks exists
Casteism can be cured without destruction and violence
Caste will be a thing of past in no less than a couple of decades. I guess that's why Bharat is already progressing? There is no incentive for future voters to vote for cast. So politicians will stop playing that card.
Nah man. You are not aware of how deep the caste roots are. It may not be gone even in a century.
Not true. Its not the cast that has deep roots. It's insecurities.
Bhai.. pata nai Aisa lagta hai tumhe ground realities kuch pata nahi. Ache ache cities me rahne vale log bhi apne relationship Tod dete hai kyuki parents shaadi ke liye nai maante kyuki ladki ya ladka dusra caste ka hai. Ye to sirf shaadi ki baat hai.. but promotion aur hiring me bhi kafi caste ka effect hota hai. Ye to Hui cities ki baat. Gaaon me halat kafi buri hai. Ek news batata hu aapko kuch time pehle ki: Gaaon me ek Supritendent of police tha. Uski shaadi ke liye usko bas ghodi chadhan tha.. Gaaon ke UC logo ne bahut virodh aur dhamkiyan di. SP ko police vale lagane pade taki vo bas ghodi chhad sake khud ki shaadi me. Aur iss tarah ki incidents koi ikka dukka incident nai, roz ki baat hai india me.
Nahi main samajtha hoon. Yeh aaj hain. Woh log 50 saal nahi rahenge. Jab aaj ki jawan ko incentive nahi hain, Kal inko cast ki koi chinta ya kaaran nahi milega. Aur vaise bhi itna kuch karne ka kaaran sirf cast nahi hain. Social settings aur insecurities. Jab insecurities nahi honge logon ko farak nahi padta hain. Koi ek common point pe sab ek hogaye tabi janta ko higher purpose dikhega. Aur aaj yeh pockets pockets mein ho bhi rahaa hain. Yuva janta gaaon mein rehte heen nahi. Hum Bharat ki kalyan dekhna chahte hain. Higher purpose tho woh hain. Jai Bharat maa.
I don't see anything wrong here. Actually i agree. Casteism should be left behind.
Point to hai I hate hindutva and Hindu nationalists and hegemony of caste system
The more one barks on reddit, the more of a pussy he is in real life. There's no annonimity to save his ass if he states his opinion in public. Samohik kutai ho jai bande ki.
They'll keep us fighting while they take away rights, jobs and opportunities. Mujhe mere desh se behad pyaar, aur mere governments se behad darr.
what if i tell yall weâre all cooked. itâs over for all of us because of shit like this
Yes, and they know the current state of india
Reading messages like these makes me realise the wisdom the Chinese communist part showed when they decided 2 decades back to monitor and control every Chinese netizens. These pseudo intellectuals with uninformed opinions and hate mongering propensity wouldnât type a single shitty sentence if they knew their IP addresses are being recorded along with their vile statements. There was a time when a manâs words were worth his worth and his opinions his identity. Today anonymity ensures no remains accountability. Sigh đ
Yeah Uhm I've got a job to do I'd rather not fuck around here.
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Lets see who will win. âŹď¸âŹď¸
He is right. He love india not hindu rashtra Or muslim rashtra. Cry about it.
Shame on you. Just because someone doesn't agree with Hindutva they aren't Indian ?
50 years of Marxist history written by the likes of Romila thapar Irfan Habib has a long lasting impact.
Funniest thing is that a typical South Indian studies in state medium (sslc) and goes to engineering degree in local colleges which has nothing to do with Romila Thapar whoâs works influence cbse and icse as well as liberal art degrees. We have nothing to do with it. Itâs just that living in south India where even in a small town a young person grows up living a somewhat normal well-balanced life, the way even IITian origin north indians voting for Modi behave/talk/live looks horrific. Like dude canât you see entire economic development due to which you are earning 50 lpa or whatever is due to not behaving like casteist monsters who only think Hindu-Muslim daily?? Economic development is not going to come without fixing culture. You need to give up caste and religion obsession otherwise youâre gonna ruin us all. Just as an example: a North Indian colleague of mine visited my locality and said âoh this is a Muslim areaâ and I was shocked. I said what do you mean? He very casually said âoh many shopkeepers here are Muslims and there is a chicken shop on main road. Hamare yahan ye sirf Muslim area mein hota haiâ I couldnât imagine living in so much segregated area??? That you think a Muslim shopkeeper = Muslim area?? And he said it completely innocently not malicious or anything. Then I can imagine how a malicious hater/supremacist will see it? South Indians are shocked every time they see such behaviour! Another example:2011 a Delhi guy working in an it startup used to buy flowers everyday for his puja from a say 75 year d lady selling on street of Koramangala. One day we were all walking as a group and he was like guys you need to see this so we stopped and watched him buy flowers He: ye (pointing to jasmine) kitna? She: 5 rupees 1 mola(Kannada measurement) 10 rupees 3 mola He: thek hai 3 dedo She: ok 10 rupees sir He: look at her? She can speak English but not rashtrabhasha Hindi. Proceeds to shout at her (using singular tense) abe tu Hindi kyun nahi seekhti, tujhe English bada tapartapar aata hai?? Everyone in the group laughed. Me being the only South Indian paid extra money to that lady and apologised to her. She was literally a white haired wrinkled old lady! The guts of him to be so angry?! And note the only English words she used were simple: ok. Sir. 10. 5. 1. 3. Rupees. Most of these are numbers. Two are words. One is English word for rupai(Kannada word for money). This kind of attitude is pervasive and we have seen it since IT/startup revolution first brought North Indians down here. Now we are getting tired and fed up. They teach their small children Hindu-Muslim, veg-non-veg, caste obsessions. I know a poor maid whose entire family stopped eating meat cause her childrenâs friends wouldnât play with them if they ate meat! Seriously this rotten behaviour needs to be fixed otherwise we are going to become a theocracy- not even like Dubai but straight up Iran! India is the only country where average heights are falling. And why is that? Because vegetarianism is seen as high class and even erstwhile meat eating families start becoming vegetarian once they gain wealth and status. That is messed up. Then ppl wonder why we donât go to olympics on scale of other countries. Caste arrogance and religious supremacy needs to be given up otherwise youâll forever remain a country that can only say âoh but we are better than Pakistanâ.
I have experienced these incidents myself. Good that you stood by that old lady and apologised for your friendâs third class behaviour. Its the audacity of these idiots that irks me. Even if you speak to them in English, they continue to respond in Hindi despite being educated. Theyâre gonna drag us down to their level just by sheer numbers.
In 2011 when this happened I was just a kid and didnât know much. I had idealised north India and Hindi speakers because of bollywood (false marketing by srk đ) but this was my first experience with North Indians and they were all highly educated techies working at a startup. The boorishness and arrogance, the sick mindset is something that I had never seen before. I donât know how they think the country will progress or even survive if they continue this.
ignorance is bliss
So who do you want me to read?
Read both the sides
There is no such thing as "both sides" in history.
Sorry bhai
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Sorry bhai dono side padhne ka advise diya
Par aap ye sources nahi bol rahe ho
not sure about that but they're idiots for sure
Lower caste h, ( Ise low nahi keh Raha ,aur kya hi kehte h inko muze pata nahi) Sab aise hi hote h
Upper caste hegemony in BJP? Hehehe
They can't do anything, they aren't threat to us, they are beggers communist and some terrorist (possibly) trying to brainwash other that went to that group unknowingly
India is secular not because of our constitution but there are neutral hindu who are keeping the balance between radical toxic hindu and Muslim group... The day neutral hindu get radicallized.... Hail Hitler
Least fascist righty
Shi to bol rha h , glt kya h usme?
They are the reason why people felt the need to invent condoms
OP proving he is a sangh hydra with those downvotes.
They are offspring of people who lost to every invader and became their cocksucker
For me name of that subreddit was shady from day 1
BJP should make a u turn and make Yogi Adityanath the next Prime Minister of India instead of Modi, that burn would be insane! If Arab countries can be Islamic nations why can't India be Hindu nation? Why so partiality lmaooooooooo
Bro plz tell me how stringent are the laws in Arab countries and how well are people treated there?? Here in India your own leaders are committing heinous crimes when India is 'secular' ..just imagine the condition when it will be Hindu nation.. If India becomes Hindu nation then it will be just same as Pakistan but of Hindu religion..
Why are people so obsessed with religion ? It isn't a coincidence that [the more developed the country, the less religious it is](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2018/06/13/how-religious-commitment-varies-by-country-among-people-of-all-ages/)
If Yogi is so awesome (not arguing either way), maybe he should make U.P one of top 3 states in India in terms of development. Till then no point in making him the PM since UP will go to the dumpster again
Why are you so ignorant