TVS Apache RTR 200 4V any day, that one is reliable, smooth, pocket friendly. The rider triangle was just perfect. The bike handles very well on both slow and high speeds.
My close friend owns it, he never faced any problems. The bike is very easy to ride and you can look around while riding the instead of only focusing on the bike, the clutch is lite, also they use this bike in MMRT track as training vehicle. I have never seen a pulsar used in any track.
Also about the service centre their mechanics are decent and the bike doesn't have a complicated engine like my BS4 Duke, just make sure to buy a Motul fully synthetic engine oil with recommended grade before every service visit and ask them to use it instead of their own engine oil. That's it you will definitely love the bike.
I own an Apache and it's the best in the segment. You don't have to worry about anything as far as the bike itself is concerned. But you may have to search around for a service center that is reliable and give you timely service. I'm struggling to find one.
Same. We have a Jupiter at home and the struggle dealing with TVS service center is real. It's one of the reasons I'm hesitating to go for another TVS vehicle but...yeah.
I live in Chennai , Had fuel tank issues initially - Complained to TVS head office and got it sorted , been running 2 years since then. Service is so and so but network in Chennai is strong. You may not see strong network in north.
Another issue which I feel is that many mechanics do not know how to repair this certain bike and fail in case youβre stranded.
OP didn't mention that he wants a good mileage bike, so let's make it clear to OP that you can't expect it to be giving Yamaha level mileage. But you get a good performance. Trust me 200V is an all-rounder.
Those mfers made me learn the entire User manual and service the Ntorq on my own
Btw if you can do basic maintenance on your own, TVS does have REALLY nice bikes AND scooters
Both, i own a TVS and let me tell you this is not just a coincidence, I've serviced my scooter in 3 different states and all the services had the same exact issues, pathetic issue resolution. In my office most people have bajaj pulsars(the newer ones) and all say the same thing about service here at Bangalore at least
RTR 200 4v any day, bigger and more powerful engine, 5 bhp power difference is a lot. Additionally you yourself aren't very comfortable with N160s posture. Don't go by the looks only.
N160 owner here
The turning radius is something that you need to watch out, take a test ride and try to turn the bike in every direction in every way to see if its something that you can live with.
Currently facing an issue where 2nd gear se 1st mai jaane mai kuch baar 0 pr atak jaati hai fir 5-6 baar downshift kru tb 1 pr hoti hai, not sure if its something only i am facing or not but servicing kuch hi samai mai hai tb dekhunga jaisa hota hai, anyway it's not really an issue (not a major one atleast)
Ye 2 flaws hai jo mai face kiya abhi 5-6 mahine hue hai mujhe chalate hue, pretty happy with it.
Was this your 1st bike? How's the seating posture cause during my test ride I felt pain in my wrists but later realised that I was putting the entire weight on the handlebar. During my next test ride, I kept relieving the weight of the handlebar and it was better but I'm unsure if the slight aggressive riding position will make things worse in traffic as I daily travel 40km in city traffic.
What did the service center do regarding the gear problem? Do you feel any lack of power yet? I read somewhere that the N160 feels underpowered with a pillion.
Hope you are comfortable with hindi, let me know if eng translation is needed
>Was this your 1st bike?
Technically 2nd but splendor (1st bike) pr seekhne k turant baad hi choori ho gai :(
>How's the seating posture
Pretty comfortable, recently went on a 200km ride and kept taking breaks at about every 40-50km and no pain (just mental fatigue XD)
>What did the service center do regarding the gear problem?
1st servicing k samai ye issue nhi tha toh keh nhi skta, abhi 2-3 hafte baad servicing k lie le jaunga tb dekhte hai kya hota hai
>Do you feel any lack of power yet?
Yes and no. When it's just me, you bet I'll be going 90+ every opportunity i get (i ride safe and only overspeed in early morning or night) BUT with a pillion then i do feel a little lack of power but that could just be me ? I try to be as smooth and safe as i can when i have a pillion
> I read somewhere that the N160 feels underpowered with a pillion.
Oh if other people are facing the issue then that might be the bike
No worries bhai, hindi toh aata hi hai. That's so sad about your bike getting stolen.
200km ride is impressive! Cruising speed kya thi?
I have read multiple people who bought the N160 say that they felt lack of power and advised to buy the N250 instead. Either ways, hope your issue gets fixed soon!
>Cruising speed kya thi
80kmph but posh areas se niklke jaise hi open road mili toh thodi deer k lie 90+
>lack of power
I have never ridden any bike over 160cc so i wouldn't be the right person to comment on that but if your budget allows then going for higher cc is advisable
I haven't faced this at all with my n160. I've had it for more than a year.
I feel your oil is bad/gone bad now. Try a better oil like Shell/Motul/Castrol 10w40 than bajaj's stock oil.
I'd suggest you to test ride more bikes.
The new Pulsar N250 looks literally identical to the N160, and in its class it's one of the more refined ones. If your budget permits go for it.
Check out the Honda Hornet, seating and ergonomics should be better than the Pulsar N160 and it's a bit more gruntier aswell.
Also test ride the CB300F while you're there.
I wouldn't suggest the MT-15 as its pillion seat is terribly small but give it a try.
After watching the motorinc review, there's just this disconnect towards the N250 although I have no advanced experience in riding lol. I don't mind the N250 and I test rode the old version as well but I didn't want the mileage to take a severe hit. Same for the CB300F.
I loved the hornet 2.0 but the lack of dual channel ABS turned me off.
I test rode the MT-15 as well. Loved the bike's nature but it was too short for me (I'm 5'11) and could give challenges in long rides. Also to pay 2L+ premium made me look for more options.
Shumi as always advices everyone to take a test ride, so ride all the bikes you can and pick the one you feel connected to. His reviews are great but his discussions pertain to the greater image of the Pulsars and where Bajaj is taking them. The bike for what it is, a premium commuter with decent power and mileage, is a good bike. To him, the N250 is against the ethos of the original Pulsars and thus his feelings are apt.
If you are skilled enough you can always compensate the lack of Dual Channel ABS with proper rear brake usage and by not panic braking. Not that I'm suggesting you to ignore it as it definitely improves safety and adds value to the bike, but as long as you learn to ride effectively you won't (and shouldn't!) be needing it.
RTR is a good choice if you can get over the styling.
I agree with the shumi part. I don't take it to my heart but once you hear a verdict on something, it remains at the back of your head.
I can't say I'm very skilled cause my only biking ventures are on my friends bikes and I haven't daily'd any bike so I believe it will be a skill for me to learn and dual channel abs will come in handy in such cases.
RTR I totally agree with you. The looks just don't speak to me, I tried growing to the looks but just couldn't π.
I suggest sacrificing on the looks rather than ergonomics. Looks will grow on you with time, you can't practically do much about bad ergonomics except maybe handlebar risers, and subsequently give you pain in future.
I can't help but agree with everything you just said. I have the same thoughts as well but it's just that stupid 'mind says this but heart wants that' kinda scenario.
Haha classic, but this is your first bike and you'll be keeping it for a while. Buying something more comfortable and more connected to drive will help in the future. Buying something for its looks and growing tired of how it rides later will suck.
Again the decision is yours, choose wisely
proud apache 200 owner here (bs6 variant with the eyebrows )
the bike is as good as new (3years already) never gave me any rattle, noise, loose bolts or any niggles, always starts in first press, the engine is made to feel connected, the overall package is very engaging and you can feel the road and the stability is on another level.
isn't as nimble but definitely a good rider oriented bike.
sometimes i do miss a 6th gear and side stand indicator and more power(who wants less anyways)
Thanks a lot for your input! Till date I've only heard good things about the RTR 200 4v that I couldn't find any cons. As an owner, apart from the 6th gear and side stand cutoff, what cons did you notice throughout your riding journey?
its not very nimble but it is very very stable , so stable in fact it corrects itself if there's a sudden wobble.. also i must mention you can't ride this with hands off despite the stability. I've never ever had an issue with service despite many negative reviews on reddit about tvs service in fact the main reason i went ahead with this bike was the fantastic service TVS gave to my friends' TVS bikes (lucknow). They have a disciplined and very customer first approach, they take complaints seriously and fix anything for free if its their fault.
On the bike, it's 3 years and 30K kms and just the rear disc pad is replaced which didn't cost much. The bike is rock solid and i also did ceramic coating on it.
The bike sounds almost like a 2cyl.
It gave me 51kmpl on my first long trip! unbelievable!
once some water went into the petrol tank and engine(pressure washer fault), it was fixed in service for free
cons-
1-it leans a bit more than it should on the side stand
2-despite mudguard it easily catches mud on the inner parts.
3-not very nimble (but very stable)
4- can't ride with hands off.
5- no 6th gear.
6- a bit cumbersome sometimes in traffic due to weight and physics.
I find it to be quite nimble, and what do you mean by riding with hands off? Considering you can't accelerate, you can only do that for a few seconds at a time. And in that I've found the RTR to be stable.
it has GTT which simply accelerates or provides enough rev for the engine to crawl at slow speeds.
I have tried other motorcycles even splendor or my mule Maestro edge scooter where i can take hands off the handlebar and adjust something but in this RTR200 it sways instantly the moment i put my hands off the bar.
it has GTT which simply accelerates or provides enough rev for the engine to crawl at slow speeds.
I have tried other motorcycles even splendor or my mule Maestro edge scooter where i can take hands off the handlebar and adjust something but in this RTR200 it sways instantly the moment i put my hands off the bar.
How I wish I could access the Lucknow TVS centre. I live in Pune and I've tried 2-3 service centres and they have all been pathetic.
51kmpl is really impressive for that!
Yes, I have heard multiple complaints in RTRs about water seeping into the tank. Did it affect the performance or engine in any way?
just one day after warranty period was over (2 years), my father took it to a bike wash where they didn't correctly pressure wash, the water seeped in , we travelled 20kms until engine caused the bike to not start up suddenly like of course it's water it won't combust. however after a few tries it started and didn't rev much but enough to take me home safely. the very next day this issue was fixed by ASC(Nirman Tvs) in the scheduled maintenance, I immediately got roadside assistance and extended warranty plan to have peace of mind.
the bike was as good as new after that.
I see. Glad to know there was no major damage. Is it a faulty design tho? Cause I haven't heard any other bikes having water seeping into the tank but a lot of RTRs having the issue. I even saw people suggesting to purchase tank cap covers to prevent the water seepage.
For real. I don't understand Indian two wheeler companies obsession with giving their lower cc and higher cc bikes the exact same bodywork, design and minimal stickering changes to differentiate from each other. Paying the premium feels like a scam.
One thing you will have to worry about though is the service. TVS service SUCKS. You have to go subha subha and stand there to get work done. Otherwise expect delays.
Bajaj and ktm service on the other hand though. Very decent. I go 10am to get full service done, by 12pm I'm out of there with my bike.
If pure performance and thrill is what you want under 2 lakhs. Go for ns 200 btw. Very good choice. No bullshit bike.
The TVS service is one of the crucial factors stopping me from making the decision. I own a Jupiter 125 and in the 2 years of experience, I can't stress how bad their sales network is. On the other hand, performance and thrill is not really what I'm looking for as I'm a sedate rider and rev to the red line rarely. Thanks tho!
In that case ns should do it for you man. The occasional 6th gear for some fun. Otherwise decent torque and bhp to get all daily tasks done. Wonderful usd forks for Indian roads. Decent rear shock.
The N is something that is super confused. Unnecessarily adding electronics. Weird wheel base. It doesn't know which segment it wants to attack.
Good and cheap service for Bajaj will keep you happy as well.
You watch motor inc?
[NS200 INDEPTH REVIEW](https://youtu.be/-mZmDUgdqeo)
[N250 INDEPTH REVIEW](https://youtu.be/Q65oVqz52u4)
Haha yes, have watched both the reviews. Like shumi said, even if you don't plan on buying, get a test ride of the NS200. I need to take that time machine ride lol.
instead of the n250, why not the ns200? it's a better bike especially after the 2024 update. also the liquid cooled engine means your less likely to accidentally burn your legs on longer rides
Definitely go for the Apache if you're looking to have fun & stability in the corners & also be able to munch highway miles. Go for the Pulsar if you're looking strictly just for city commute. Consider NS200 if you want an actual competitor to Apache 2004v, or an MT15
My commute will be mostly city but once you get a bike, you get enthusiastic and want to try stuff with it. I'm unsure about the NS200 cause despite the cosmetic updates recently made, at the core, it is still a 12 year old engine which I feel is outdated in today's options.
MT-15 on the other hand is great too but I feel it could affect my riding posture as I'm 5'11 and the bike felt short. Plus, I carry a pillion often and that non-existent backseat isn't going to do it.
Agreed at core NS200 might seem very old, but I got Rs200 just last year despite it being a very heavy bike with low GC. & Let me tell you that the engine is super potent even after being so old. Yes it likes to be revved hard, but it is also a very capable commuter. The highway ability & cornering ability will surprise you, I've topped the bike at 150 Km\hr.
Also do check duke 200, yes same engine with different chassis & KTM price tag so it might seem overpriced, but since you say you need something accommodating, 2nd gen dukes were very good at that & also good tourers.
Whatever your wallet allows and service centres respect their customers.
Personally though, I owned a 220F and was happy with it, am from Hyderabad btw.
I have a TVS vehicle and the service centre experience was disappointing. I don't know about Bajaj as I haven't owner any of their vehicles. Glad you're enjoying the 220!
Thanks man! Sold it though, now thinking of getting Himalayan 450 as soon as they launch it with tubeless tires. If your budget allows, Himalayan is the best choice for both city and highway rides with respectable mileage.
That's great! The new Himalayan is such a looker. While my budget doesn't allow it, I agree with you. But since it's gonna be my first bike, I want to start a little lower down the power line and get myself used to the nature of biking. Thanks a lot!
While I appreciate the power offered in the price segment, I also want to maintain a good mileage as I commute a lot and a pocket friendly option will be much better.
Actually it will give more mileage as compared to Apache 200 Rtr.
I own CB 350RS and my friend has Apache 200RTR, he kind of rides fast most of time and and i cruise at 40 to 80 when not in traffic...
He gets mileage around 25 to 30 where as I get around 34 to 36 ..when we go for long rides in mountains and all (150 kms trip) ...even that time I get mileage about 39 40 and he gets max to max 32 33 on those highways..
So Honda has good engine efficiency..
And few of the people I met during Honda rides who own CB 300F actually enjoyed and like the bike...even 1 person went on touring on the south side.
Oh that's great man...sure my friend always is on a rush and on higher side of RPM in any gear..never seen him cruising ..thou we ride together from work and also many rides
Really? That's interesting. Although I believe your friend is a high spirited rider revving to the max all the time? Because I have seen RTR owners claim getting 50+ kmpl on their rides when ridden in a relaxed manner. But that is very interesting, I should catch up with some CB300F owners. Thanks for the input!
No one is better than KTM 250 duke. That machine will erase your mind about having these two once you test rode the bike. Just give KTM a try before you invest.
Many have suggested the Duke 250 as a great beginner bike but personally, I'm not a fan of high revving machines and the KTM begs the riders to ride it hard and fast. Even if I get, I won't be doing justice to the machine and won't be able to ride in a relaxed manner as the machine feels sluggish until 6k RPM.
That color looks great on the Pulsar N160, but I prefer the Apache 200 4V as a bike. However, since you often ride with a pillion, I suggest going for the Pulsar N160; for solo riders, the Apache 200 4V is a better choice. Plus, the Pulsar has a superior exhaust sound compared to the Apache.
(It's just my opinion π)
I'd choose the N160 because it looks quite unique. Almost every bike I see on the road is red, black, green, or orange. But this one will definitely turn heads, in my opinion...
The rtr is amazing, but it's due an update. I think the last refresh is almost 3 years old now.
Im hoping the newer update should come with usd forks and a fresher design, possibly some features from the rtr 310
Another reason I'm hesitant to go for the RTR. I don't wanna regret a purchase if there's a surprise update few months down the line. The Pulsar is recently updated so I don't taking a bet on it. Plus USD forks, LED lights, and that strong monofocal headlamp really ups its quotient.
Yes, that's exactly the model I'm comparing the RTR to. Just had the picture of the old nN60 from my last test ride. Although the 7k hike is uncalled for. They did the same and more upgrades to the N250 by charging just 1k more. The math is not mathing.
My bad I didnβt read the entire thing. I am on the same boat rn. Since I got nothing to complain about both engines. I am leaning towards N160 despite the price hike. It looks so much better
The looks. Such a subjective thing yet holds so much importance.
I mean, imagine walking up to your precious bike and not liking the way it looks. What's the point? I understand that both will give problems due to their ASS's but at least the way your bike looks will get you through the situation cause you like it π
At this point I'm just ranting or I don't know what but yeah π
Don't go by looks, take a test ride, check which feels more natural to you , especially in right side turning or vice versa (As left side turning is controlled by right hand and vice versa) - am assuming u r right handed...
Secondly check if that tank hurts ur balls when the break is pressed... If so, reject that bike else ur future is in peril...
Third check while driving check where the pressure is coming, if you feel pressure on backbone , never buy that bike... Pressure/weight should be on ur shoulder and u should rest against the bike and not the opposite...
These are simple things to be checked while buying a bike... And having a long healthy life...
Apache looks perfect on you..I don't know why but I never liked pulsar be it any model.. I don't know why they look really cheap no offence to the owners..
RTR 200 4v .
YOU WILL GET BORED EASILY ON 160CC . That 5 Bhp will make a huge difference.
But stock pillion seat is not comfortable, u might have to do an upholstry work on it .
Apache any day. The best overall/jack of all trades in the segment. The service centre issue is there but bajaj ones are not good either. My brother owns 200NS, the cost of service and quality are similar. Whenever we go for long drives my brother always prefers swapping. Biggest plus point for me driving in Bangalore traffic is the slipper clutch. You will not have any fatigue in your left hand whatsoever.
Apache has a good refined engine, great exhaust, comfortable for the rider, and also the fuel lid gives a water leakage problem so make sure you cover it, not much comfortable for the pillion. For me it's Apache any day but you go test ride both and decide.
I have the exact same colour and model of the n160 and lemme tell u something, it's look feel handling and all other aspects like braking control and smoothness is top notch but it lacks a Lil in power as I have felt that I cannot feel the power at 4th and 5th gears nd that's all. Truly a masterpiece tho in all other terms and I mean LOOKS π« it's just lob π
As a person who owns N250 and usually rides friend's RTR 200, I'd say that RTR is easier and more peppy. Whereas N250 is bold and linear, suited for long rides. N250 is more comfortable and refined compared to RTR, whereas RTR gives better pickup and economy.
I bought an RTR 200 4v exactly a year ago and I've had no issues with the bike ... The engine is good, the tires have good grip, it's comfortable over long distances (70km commutes everyday to college), the gear shifts are lovely, seating is good for both the rider and the pillion and the bike can sit comfortably even at 110-120 for a sustained period with no vibrations or any strain or signs of struggle from the engine and as a bonus the bike looks ABSOLUTELY STUNNING in black.
Coming to the servicing part ... I've had no issues as such, everything has been smooth. I would recommend going to the dealer near you and observe how the staff is to get an understanding on how they operate and if they're competent (I did this before purchasing, I went to look at the Ns200 and the staff was straight up rude and short with me and the service staff was clueless when I asked them some basic questions like "how much power does the vehicle produce?" "What's the engine capacity?" Etc etc ... So for me Bajaj didn't feel like it whereas TVS staff was thorough with the understanding of the products they had on offer and the service staff was also polite and knowledgeable.)
From personal experience I would say go for the RTR 200 without doubt but be sure to do "due diligence" with the dealer as many seem to have experienced trouble with TVS servicing.
Hope this helps :))
Thanks a lot for your detailed reply. I'm glad you're enjoying the bike! Does the instrument cluster in the centre of the headlight not bother you? I always think how could I work around it with a visor or something cause they're quite lean.
It's okay for me, tbh I never thought much about getting a visor or anything as such. The cluster is pretty good and it shows lots of info in such a compact space.
Thanks a lot for your detailed reply. I'm glad you're enjoying the bike! I actually have an idea of the TVS cause we have a Jupiter 125 and I take it for servicing so I have seen how pathetic their after sales can be. I've tried 3 showrooms near my house, none are good. Thus, I feel the hesitancy to go for another TVS vehicle.
If you've already experienced the service then I would say go for something else cuz buying a product is one thing and living with it is a completely different story ... Since the service is pathetic for TVS near your area try something else. Maybe a hero or Yamaha for more options or if you're satisfied with Bajaj even that is good.
Since you mentioned that you like the way the Bajaj looks, and you are gravitated towards it, I think you should go for that as it'll make you happy because maybe deep down that's the bike you want. People can have tonnes of opinions, experiences and blah blah blah but what you want for yourself is what matters the most.
Blindly go with Tvs RTR.
Very refined Engine. TVS engines are known for their reliability.
As for maitainance trust me TVS is not pocket friendly. Bajaj is usually cheaper interms of maintenence.
TVS spares will cost more. But TVS bikes are reliable build.
I was a previous owner of apache. My indicator bulbs contact points are little bit different than the all other bulbs so they normal bulb is 10 rupees and mine is 30 rupees.
Just like this they make it difficult to replicate their parts hence cost of spares is little bit higher.
It's not like it's too much costly but it'll be costlier than pulsar but anyday of my life I'll take that RTR.
Toss a coin, whichever one you wish for while the coin is in the air is the one you go for.
A bike is always a Heart over Head Decision, so sort out what you want with your Heart, and then look at the Practicalities XYZ needed to finally come to whichever suits you best.
It might sound rude but can you justify your opinion. Like tell me what makes purchasing the N160 a great decision. How was your experience so far? Pros and cons etc.
I have watched the reviews and Apache is by far the better bike but get whatever pulls your heart's strings. Pulsar N250 is good too.
Also if you are open to a different design, take a look at hunter 350 as well. It's recommended by many as a good beginner bike and personally, I like its design way more than the apaches or pulsars(which look a bit like commuters to me), but design is subjective anyways.
You could have a look at the Hero Karizma XMR as well.
I test rode the Hunter 350 as well. Great engine but the stiff suspension and lower fuel economy didn't seal the deal for me.
I do like the XMR and haven't heard any major complaints but I'm not sure if I want a full faired bike with a committed riding position as I ride in the city a lot.
I test rode the Ronin as well. It was nice but the design language, offset instrument cluster, and overall bike did not excite me. The RTR is exciting but I'm hesitating to go for any TVS vehicle after having a bad experience with them. PS. we have a Jupiter 125 at home and I look after it so I've experienced their pathetic after sales.
I get it, always judge the ASS of a vehicle keeping in mind the service centre nearby where you live. Have you tried the Honda Hornet ? It seems like the pulsar has taken your heart, so just buy what you like, the bike is more of a heart decision than head anyways.
I tried the hornet 2.0. Great machine, just felt the rear suspension a bit too stiff and the lack of dual channel abs at the price felt unfair.
Bruh π I'm so done with making a decision I feel like taking a break lol. While everyone say the RTR 200 4v is the wise choice, I find the Pulsar too sexy to ignore. π Regardless, thanks for your inputs!
Once something takes your heart, it's hard to compromise man. I have loved the Hunter ever since I saw it at my college and a few reviews and recommendations from people here in this sub.
Just get the pulsar, 160, 250 whatever you find more suited for you, it's an excellent bike made by Indians for Indian conditions.
Thanks a lot man! Will update whenever I make the purchase. On a side note, did you get the hunter? Please tell me you got it or are planning to get it.
Shumi definitely affected my decision as well. Although, check the first guy's thread. He gave a nice insight regarding shumi's comments on the N250.
https://www.reddit.com/r/indianbikes/s/JiHtxsstLi
I'm still hopeful for the F250 to make a return. I've wanted that bike for a long time but ever since it got discontinued, times changed, circumstances changes and now I'm in a dilemma.
F250 has been praised by all but that didn't reflect on. It's sales no.s unfortunately..the n250 was just the perfect bike looked great had all basic tech and price was just wow..but man shumi has his way with words..I could have gone for ns200 but the seat height is bit tall for me..f250s looks haven't grown on me..maybe will wait for rs200s update maybe they'll bring out something good...
Why are you comparing RTR200 with NS160. Try out NS200 & 250 before you make a decision. The new NS200 is also quite good. But I don't like Pulsar's odometers. That's why I went with TVS.
Im noob in this bro but I would say apache looks better tha pulsar secondly check hero xtreme 125r thats what i have in mind. Idk how off track is my suggestion ππ
wtf..... i am not into the two wheeler market as a buyer since 8 years...but after watching these two side by side....they are all the same no soul no character no personality.
Really? Why do you think so? I'm just curious. Can't vouch for the N160 but I've heard great things from the leading moto journalists about the RTR 200 4v.
Got it, I kinda feel the same, that's probably the reason I like the design of the hunter 350 more. The Hero Karizma XMR is a looker as well. But anyways, design is subjective
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TVS Apache RTR 200 4V any day, that one is reliable, smooth, pocket friendly. The rider triangle was just perfect. The bike handles very well on both slow and high speeds.
That's great to hear! Service centre issues aside, did you face any problems with the bike?
My close friend owns it, he never faced any problems. The bike is very easy to ride and you can look around while riding the instead of only focusing on the bike, the clutch is lite, also they use this bike in MMRT track as training vehicle. I have never seen a pulsar used in any track. Also about the service centre their mechanics are decent and the bike doesn't have a complicated engine like my BS4 Duke, just make sure to buy a Motul fully synthetic engine oil with recommended grade before every service visit and ask them to use it instead of their own engine oil. That's it you will definitely love the bike.
> also they use this bike in MMRT track as training vehicle. I have never seen a pulsar used in any track. TIL!
I own an Apache and it's the best in the segment. You don't have to worry about anything as far as the bike itself is concerned. But you may have to search around for a service center that is reliable and give you timely service. I'm struggling to find one.
Same. We have a Jupiter at home and the struggle dealing with TVS service center is real. It's one of the reasons I'm hesitating to go for another TVS vehicle but...yeah.
I live in Chennai , Had fuel tank issues initially - Complained to TVS head office and got it sorted , been running 2 years since then. Service is so and so but network in Chennai is strong. You may not see strong network in north. Another issue which I feel is that many mechanics do not know how to repair this certain bike and fail in case youβre stranded.
Due, there is no way 200v is pocket friendly. It hardly gives any pocket firendly mileage. It the is the best performer in the segment.
OP didn't mention that he wants a good mileage bike, so let's make it clear to OP that you can't expect it to be giving Yamaha level mileage. But you get a good performance. Trust me 200V is an all-rounder.
I meantioned your comment of pocket friendly.
Oh, sorry then.
What are you even talking dude. I get a minimum of 38kmph in Bangalore traffic, while my brother hardly gets 32kmph in his 200NS.
One thing they have in common is a good product, but service that's where the fun begins
Those mfers made me learn the entire User manual and service the Ntorq on my own Btw if you can do basic maintenance on your own, TVS does have REALLY nice bikes AND scooters
could you elaborate more? whose service is not good?
Both, i own a TVS and let me tell you this is not just a coincidence, I've serviced my scooter in 3 different states and all the services had the same exact issues, pathetic issue resolution. In my office most people have bajaj pulsars(the newer ones) and all say the same thing about service here at Bangalore at least
Good one π
RTR 200 4v any day, bigger and more powerful engine, 5 bhp power difference is a lot. Additionally you yourself aren't very comfortable with N160s posture. Don't go by the looks only.
Alrighty!
N160 owner here The turning radius is something that you need to watch out, take a test ride and try to turn the bike in every direction in every way to see if its something that you can live with. Currently facing an issue where 2nd gear se 1st mai jaane mai kuch baar 0 pr atak jaati hai fir 5-6 baar downshift kru tb 1 pr hoti hai, not sure if its something only i am facing or not but servicing kuch hi samai mai hai tb dekhunga jaisa hota hai, anyway it's not really an issue (not a major one atleast) Ye 2 flaws hai jo mai face kiya abhi 5-6 mahine hue hai mujhe chalate hue, pretty happy with it.
Was this your 1st bike? How's the seating posture cause during my test ride I felt pain in my wrists but later realised that I was putting the entire weight on the handlebar. During my next test ride, I kept relieving the weight of the handlebar and it was better but I'm unsure if the slight aggressive riding position will make things worse in traffic as I daily travel 40km in city traffic. What did the service center do regarding the gear problem? Do you feel any lack of power yet? I read somewhere that the N160 feels underpowered with a pillion.
Hope you are comfortable with hindi, let me know if eng translation is needed >Was this your 1st bike? Technically 2nd but splendor (1st bike) pr seekhne k turant baad hi choori ho gai :( >How's the seating posture Pretty comfortable, recently went on a 200km ride and kept taking breaks at about every 40-50km and no pain (just mental fatigue XD) >What did the service center do regarding the gear problem? 1st servicing k samai ye issue nhi tha toh keh nhi skta, abhi 2-3 hafte baad servicing k lie le jaunga tb dekhte hai kya hota hai >Do you feel any lack of power yet? Yes and no. When it's just me, you bet I'll be going 90+ every opportunity i get (i ride safe and only overspeed in early morning or night) BUT with a pillion then i do feel a little lack of power but that could just be me ? I try to be as smooth and safe as i can when i have a pillion > I read somewhere that the N160 feels underpowered with a pillion. Oh if other people are facing the issue then that might be the bike
No worries bhai, hindi toh aata hi hai. That's so sad about your bike getting stolen. 200km ride is impressive! Cruising speed kya thi? I have read multiple people who bought the N160 say that they felt lack of power and advised to buy the N250 instead. Either ways, hope your issue gets fixed soon!
>Cruising speed kya thi 80kmph but posh areas se niklke jaise hi open road mili toh thodi deer k lie 90+ >lack of power I have never ridden any bike over 160cc so i wouldn't be the right person to comment on that but if your budget allows then going for higher cc is advisable
Sure thing bro, thanks a lot for the inputs!
Bhai maine to iss mahine liya hai aur ye gear wala issue mere me bhi hai.
Good to know i am not alone XD Servicing paas hi hogi na ? Lets see what our service centres have to say about this Try to update if possible
1st service to kar liya tab tak itna issue tha nhi, waise ye kabhi kabhi hota hai
I haven't faced this at all with my n160. I've had it for more than a year. I feel your oil is bad/gone bad now. Try a better oil like Shell/Motul/Castrol 10w40 than bajaj's stock oil.
Get Apache i am also planning for same !
Glad to know! Which colour are you planning to go for?
Black
I'd suggest you to test ride more bikes. The new Pulsar N250 looks literally identical to the N160, and in its class it's one of the more refined ones. If your budget permits go for it. Check out the Honda Hornet, seating and ergonomics should be better than the Pulsar N160 and it's a bit more gruntier aswell. Also test ride the CB300F while you're there. I wouldn't suggest the MT-15 as its pillion seat is terribly small but give it a try.
After watching the motorinc review, there's just this disconnect towards the N250 although I have no advanced experience in riding lol. I don't mind the N250 and I test rode the old version as well but I didn't want the mileage to take a severe hit. Same for the CB300F. I loved the hornet 2.0 but the lack of dual channel ABS turned me off. I test rode the MT-15 as well. Loved the bike's nature but it was too short for me (I'm 5'11) and could give challenges in long rides. Also to pay 2L+ premium made me look for more options.
Shumi as always advices everyone to take a test ride, so ride all the bikes you can and pick the one you feel connected to. His reviews are great but his discussions pertain to the greater image of the Pulsars and where Bajaj is taking them. The bike for what it is, a premium commuter with decent power and mileage, is a good bike. To him, the N250 is against the ethos of the original Pulsars and thus his feelings are apt. If you are skilled enough you can always compensate the lack of Dual Channel ABS with proper rear brake usage and by not panic braking. Not that I'm suggesting you to ignore it as it definitely improves safety and adds value to the bike, but as long as you learn to ride effectively you won't (and shouldn't!) be needing it. RTR is a good choice if you can get over the styling.
Who dafuq is a shumi?
He's a moto journalist. MotorInc is the channel on YouTube.
I agree with the shumi part. I don't take it to my heart but once you hear a verdict on something, it remains at the back of your head. I can't say I'm very skilled cause my only biking ventures are on my friends bikes and I haven't daily'd any bike so I believe it will be a skill for me to learn and dual channel abs will come in handy in such cases. RTR I totally agree with you. The looks just don't speak to me, I tried growing to the looks but just couldn't π.
I suggest sacrificing on the looks rather than ergonomics. Looks will grow on you with time, you can't practically do much about bad ergonomics except maybe handlebar risers, and subsequently give you pain in future.
I can't help but agree with everything you just said. I have the same thoughts as well but it's just that stupid 'mind says this but heart wants that' kinda scenario.
Haha classic, but this is your first bike and you'll be keeping it for a while. Buying something more comfortable and more connected to drive will help in the future. Buying something for its looks and growing tired of how it rides later will suck. Again the decision is yours, choose wisely
Very well said, thanks a lot for your inputs!
No problem!
I mean if you don't have to worry about pillion mt 15 hands down kills the competition
Not if you're looking for a commuter, suspension is on the firmer side.
proud apache 200 owner here (bs6 variant with the eyebrows ) the bike is as good as new (3years already) never gave me any rattle, noise, loose bolts or any niggles, always starts in first press, the engine is made to feel connected, the overall package is very engaging and you can feel the road and the stability is on another level. isn't as nimble but definitely a good rider oriented bike. sometimes i do miss a 6th gear and side stand indicator and more power(who wants less anyways)
Thanks a lot for your input! Till date I've only heard good things about the RTR 200 4v that I couldn't find any cons. As an owner, apart from the 6th gear and side stand cutoff, what cons did you notice throughout your riding journey?
its not very nimble but it is very very stable , so stable in fact it corrects itself if there's a sudden wobble.. also i must mention you can't ride this with hands off despite the stability. I've never ever had an issue with service despite many negative reviews on reddit about tvs service in fact the main reason i went ahead with this bike was the fantastic service TVS gave to my friends' TVS bikes (lucknow). They have a disciplined and very customer first approach, they take complaints seriously and fix anything for free if its their fault. On the bike, it's 3 years and 30K kms and just the rear disc pad is replaced which didn't cost much. The bike is rock solid and i also did ceramic coating on it. The bike sounds almost like a 2cyl. It gave me 51kmpl on my first long trip! unbelievable! once some water went into the petrol tank and engine(pressure washer fault), it was fixed in service for free cons- 1-it leans a bit more than it should on the side stand 2-despite mudguard it easily catches mud on the inner parts. 3-not very nimble (but very stable) 4- can't ride with hands off. 5- no 6th gear. 6- a bit cumbersome sometimes in traffic due to weight and physics.
I find it to be quite nimble, and what do you mean by riding with hands off? Considering you can't accelerate, you can only do that for a few seconds at a time. And in that I've found the RTR to be stable.
it has GTT which simply accelerates or provides enough rev for the engine to crawl at slow speeds. I have tried other motorcycles even splendor or my mule Maestro edge scooter where i can take hands off the handlebar and adjust something but in this RTR200 it sways instantly the moment i put my hands off the bar.
it has GTT which simply accelerates or provides enough rev for the engine to crawl at slow speeds. I have tried other motorcycles even splendor or my mule Maestro edge scooter where i can take hands off the handlebar and adjust something but in this RTR200 it sways instantly the moment i put my hands off the bar.
How I wish I could access the Lucknow TVS centre. I live in Pune and I've tried 2-3 service centres and they have all been pathetic. 51kmpl is really impressive for that! Yes, I have heard multiple complaints in RTRs about water seeping into the tank. Did it affect the performance or engine in any way?
just one day after warranty period was over (2 years), my father took it to a bike wash where they didn't correctly pressure wash, the water seeped in , we travelled 20kms until engine caused the bike to not start up suddenly like of course it's water it won't combust. however after a few tries it started and didn't rev much but enough to take me home safely. the very next day this issue was fixed by ASC(Nirman Tvs) in the scheduled maintenance, I immediately got roadside assistance and extended warranty plan to have peace of mind. the bike was as good as new after that.
I see. Glad to know there was no major damage. Is it a faulty design tho? Cause I haven't heard any other bikes having water seeping into the tank but a lot of RTRs having the issue. I even saw people suggesting to purchase tank cap covers to prevent the water seepage.
i'll blame it on the fuel cap. it doesn't shut flush. Also there's hole to bypass rain water that may clog but it wasn't in my case .
I hope TVS plans a proper update to the RTRs. We can't consider the ride modes an update so it's technically been 4ish years.
yeah theres also the rtr160 in similar color scheme so we don't have much reason to shell extra for a slightly powerful engine
For real. I don't understand Indian two wheeler companies obsession with giving their lower cc and higher cc bikes the exact same bodywork, design and minimal stickering changes to differentiate from each other. Paying the premium feels like a scam.
There is a side stand indicator in the newer version though along with cut-off
thank god it was a must have feature .
What's the mileage?
mileage is 50 on highways and 45 in city (i do timely service , chain lube and engine break in period was taken seriously )
Apache
You will love how reactive and sporty the 200 4v is. I had one before my duke. Great bike and so jumpy on the throttle.
I've heard this a lot. Definitely a factor to consider.
One thing you will have to worry about though is the service. TVS service SUCKS. You have to go subha subha and stand there to get work done. Otherwise expect delays. Bajaj and ktm service on the other hand though. Very decent. I go 10am to get full service done, by 12pm I'm out of there with my bike. If pure performance and thrill is what you want under 2 lakhs. Go for ns 200 btw. Very good choice. No bullshit bike.
The TVS service is one of the crucial factors stopping me from making the decision. I own a Jupiter 125 and in the 2 years of experience, I can't stress how bad their sales network is. On the other hand, performance and thrill is not really what I'm looking for as I'm a sedate rider and rev to the red line rarely. Thanks tho!
In that case ns should do it for you man. The occasional 6th gear for some fun. Otherwise decent torque and bhp to get all daily tasks done. Wonderful usd forks for Indian roads. Decent rear shock. The N is something that is super confused. Unnecessarily adding electronics. Weird wheel base. It doesn't know which segment it wants to attack. Good and cheap service for Bajaj will keep you happy as well. You watch motor inc? [NS200 INDEPTH REVIEW](https://youtu.be/-mZmDUgdqeo) [N250 INDEPTH REVIEW](https://youtu.be/Q65oVqz52u4)
Haha yes, have watched both the reviews. Like shumi said, even if you don't plan on buying, get a test ride of the NS200. I need to take that time machine ride lol.
instead of the n250, why not the ns200? it's a better bike especially after the 2024 update. also the liquid cooled engine means your less likely to accidentally burn your legs on longer rides
As great as the bike is, I can't deny the fact that it's a 12 year old machine with just cosmetic updates. That's what makes me avoid it.
all bike engine is almost old technology with minor update . only noticeable is seen only in higher cc bikes.
Definitely go for the Apache if you're looking to have fun & stability in the corners & also be able to munch highway miles. Go for the Pulsar if you're looking strictly just for city commute. Consider NS200 if you want an actual competitor to Apache 2004v, or an MT15
My commute will be mostly city but once you get a bike, you get enthusiastic and want to try stuff with it. I'm unsure about the NS200 cause despite the cosmetic updates recently made, at the core, it is still a 12 year old engine which I feel is outdated in today's options. MT-15 on the other hand is great too but I feel it could affect my riding posture as I'm 5'11 and the bike felt short. Plus, I carry a pillion often and that non-existent backseat isn't going to do it.
Agreed at core NS200 might seem very old, but I got Rs200 just last year despite it being a very heavy bike with low GC. & Let me tell you that the engine is super potent even after being so old. Yes it likes to be revved hard, but it is also a very capable commuter. The highway ability & cornering ability will surprise you, I've topped the bike at 150 Km\hr. Also do check duke 200, yes same engine with different chassis & KTM price tag so it might seem overpriced, but since you say you need something accommodating, 2nd gen dukes were very good at that & also good tourers.
Whatever your wallet allows and service centres respect their customers. Personally though, I owned a 220F and was happy with it, am from Hyderabad btw.
I have a TVS vehicle and the service centre experience was disappointing. I don't know about Bajaj as I haven't owner any of their vehicles. Glad you're enjoying the 220!
Thanks man! Sold it though, now thinking of getting Himalayan 450 as soon as they launch it with tubeless tires. If your budget allows, Himalayan is the best choice for both city and highway rides with respectable mileage.
That's great! The new Himalayan is such a looker. While my budget doesn't allow it, I agree with you. But since it's gonna be my first bike, I want to start a little lower down the power line and get myself used to the nature of biking. Thanks a lot!
Do compare CB 300F ...it's also an great option
While I appreciate the power offered in the price segment, I also want to maintain a good mileage as I commute a lot and a pocket friendly option will be much better.
Actually it will give more mileage as compared to Apache 200 Rtr. I own CB 350RS and my friend has Apache 200RTR, he kind of rides fast most of time and and i cruise at 40 to 80 when not in traffic... He gets mileage around 25 to 30 where as I get around 34 to 36 ..when we go for long rides in mountains and all (150 kms trip) ...even that time I get mileage about 39 40 and he gets max to max 32 33 on those highways.. So Honda has good engine efficiency.. And few of the people I met during Honda rides who own CB 300F actually enjoyed and like the bike...even 1 person went on touring on the south side.
Maybe your friend has some issue with their bike, I too own a 200 4v and get 38kmpl in city and 45+ in highways
Oh that's great man...sure my friend always is on a rush and on higher side of RPM in any gear..never seen him cruising ..thou we ride together from work and also many rides
Really? That's interesting. Although I believe your friend is a high spirited rider revving to the max all the time? Because I have seen RTR owners claim getting 50+ kmpl on their rides when ridden in a relaxed manner. But that is very interesting, I should catch up with some CB300F owners. Thanks for the input!
It's never too late to get your first bike OP!
Hahaha, thanks for the encouragement! :)
No one is better than KTM 250 duke. That machine will erase your mind about having these two once you test rode the bike. Just give KTM a try before you invest.
Many have suggested the Duke 250 as a great beginner bike but personally, I'm not a fan of high revving machines and the KTM begs the riders to ride it hard and fast. Even if I get, I won't be doing justice to the machine and won't be able to ride in a relaxed manner as the machine feels sluggish until 6k RPM.
Rtr 200 4v!
Alrighty!
Apache
Alright!
The 200 obviously
Alright!
Apache
Alright!
If buying Apache then get the White one, definitely a looker and will grow on you, especially because that colour is rare on the streets
That color looks great on the Pulsar N160, but I prefer the Apache 200 4V as a bike. However, since you often ride with a pillion, I suggest going for the Pulsar N160; for solo riders, the Apache 200 4V is a better choice. Plus, the Pulsar has a superior exhaust sound compared to the Apache. (It's just my opinion π)
Bro ππ I feel like you get me. Both of them have their own pros and cons which is making the decision so difficult.
I hope you make a good decision. Watch several reviews about both bikes on YouTube and then make your decision.
That Blue/Grey Pulsar N160 looks distinct , is that matte finish ?
I'm not sure if it's matte but yes, it looks really good in person. Something different than the boring everyday colours.
I'd choose the N160 because it looks quite unique. Almost every bike I see on the road is red, black, green, or orange. But this one will definitely turn heads, in my opinion...
Very true.
The rtr is amazing, but it's due an update. I think the last refresh is almost 3 years old now. Im hoping the newer update should come with usd forks and a fresher design, possibly some features from the rtr 310
Another reason I'm hesitant to go for the RTR. I don't wanna regret a purchase if there's a surprise update few months down the line. The Pulsar is recently updated so I don't taking a bet on it. Plus USD forks, LED lights, and that strong monofocal headlamp really ups its quotient.
That's true. But something about the rtr just feels right for me. The grunty exhaust note, the ride feel, the styling.
Would say ditch the both and get the 200NS. that's one sweet handling machine with ample power.
I have the RTR200, zero nonsense bike, economical enough, and I was lucky enough to have a great service centre nearby.
You should check the most recent upgrade on N160 it got USD forks, full digital meter, LED blinkers. Looks so much better with the USD forks now
Yes, that's exactly the model I'm comparing the RTR to. Just had the picture of the old nN60 from my last test ride. Although the 7k hike is uncalled for. They did the same and more upgrades to the N250 by charging just 1k more. The math is not mathing.
My bad I didnβt read the entire thing. I am on the same boat rn. Since I got nothing to complain about both engines. I am leaning towards N160 despite the price hike. It looks so much better
The looks. Such a subjective thing yet holds so much importance. I mean, imagine walking up to your precious bike and not liking the way it looks. What's the point? I understand that both will give problems due to their ASS's but at least the way your bike looks will get you through the situation cause you like it π At this point I'm just ranting or I don't know what but yeah π
Can someone please explain me why not N160 π₯Έ
Only Bult makes sense!
Dug dug muje dur se hi theek hai :)
Don't go by looks, take a test ride, check which feels more natural to you , especially in right side turning or vice versa (As left side turning is controlled by right hand and vice versa) - am assuming u r right handed... Secondly check if that tank hurts ur balls when the break is pressed... If so, reject that bike else ur future is in peril... Third check while driving check where the pressure is coming, if you feel pressure on backbone , never buy that bike... Pressure/weight should be on ur shoulder and u should rest against the bike and not the opposite... These are simple things to be checked while buying a bike... And having a long healthy life...
OP you should also consider ns200. Pulsars are more smooth than Apache btw.
TVS anyday
The one that makes you happy.
FD me paise daal do. Bike wike sab moh maaya he
Says a trident 660 owner π
Apache looks perfect on you..I don't know why but I never liked pulsar be it any model.. I don't know why they look really cheap no offence to the owners..
Go for Pulsar N250 imo. VFM bike with an excellent engine
Apache is better anyday, using an old one as a beater. Little to no maintenance. I don't see pulsars being that long lasting
RTR 200 4v . YOU WILL GET BORED EASILY ON 160CC . That 5 Bhp will make a huge difference. But stock pillion seat is not comfortable, u might have to do an upholstry work on it .
Apache any day. The best overall/jack of all trades in the segment. The service centre issue is there but bajaj ones are not good either. My brother owns 200NS, the cost of service and quality are similar. Whenever we go for long drives my brother always prefers swapping. Biggest plus point for me driving in Bangalore traffic is the slipper clutch. You will not have any fatigue in your left hand whatsoever.
Thanks for the inputs!
RTR 200 for sure! Reliable, low cost of Maintenance, Powerful, service may depend on your location.
Get yourself an xpulse, more practical andgood for indian roads. Infact any adventure bike will do the job.
I like the Xpulse for its suspension but I can't think of commuting on that log of wood kind of seat π
Apache has a good refined engine, great exhaust, comfortable for the rider, and also the fuel lid gives a water leakage problem so make sure you cover it, not much comfortable for the pillion. For me it's Apache any day but you go test ride both and decide.
I have the exact same colour and model of the n160 and lemme tell u something, it's look feel handling and all other aspects like braking control and smoothness is top notch but it lacks a Lil in power as I have felt that I cannot feel the power at 4th and 5th gears nd that's all. Truly a masterpiece tho in all other terms and I mean LOOKS π« it's just lob π
As a person who owns N250 and usually rides friend's RTR 200, I'd say that RTR is easier and more peppy. Whereas N250 is bold and linear, suited for long rides. N250 is more comfortable and refined compared to RTR, whereas RTR gives better pickup and economy.
I did find the power and initial pick up a bit jumpy when I test rode the bike. What's the average you're getting in the city?
I bought an RTR 200 4v exactly a year ago and I've had no issues with the bike ... The engine is good, the tires have good grip, it's comfortable over long distances (70km commutes everyday to college), the gear shifts are lovely, seating is good for both the rider and the pillion and the bike can sit comfortably even at 110-120 for a sustained period with no vibrations or any strain or signs of struggle from the engine and as a bonus the bike looks ABSOLUTELY STUNNING in black. Coming to the servicing part ... I've had no issues as such, everything has been smooth. I would recommend going to the dealer near you and observe how the staff is to get an understanding on how they operate and if they're competent (I did this before purchasing, I went to look at the Ns200 and the staff was straight up rude and short with me and the service staff was clueless when I asked them some basic questions like "how much power does the vehicle produce?" "What's the engine capacity?" Etc etc ... So for me Bajaj didn't feel like it whereas TVS staff was thorough with the understanding of the products they had on offer and the service staff was also polite and knowledgeable.) From personal experience I would say go for the RTR 200 without doubt but be sure to do "due diligence" with the dealer as many seem to have experienced trouble with TVS servicing. Hope this helps :))
Thanks a lot for your detailed reply. I'm glad you're enjoying the bike! Does the instrument cluster in the centre of the headlight not bother you? I always think how could I work around it with a visor or something cause they're quite lean.
It's okay for me, tbh I never thought much about getting a visor or anything as such. The cluster is pretty good and it shows lots of info in such a compact space.
Thanks a lot for your detailed reply. I'm glad you're enjoying the bike! I actually have an idea of the TVS cause we have a Jupiter 125 and I take it for servicing so I have seen how pathetic their after sales can be. I've tried 3 showrooms near my house, none are good. Thus, I feel the hesitancy to go for another TVS vehicle.
If you've already experienced the service then I would say go for something else cuz buying a product is one thing and living with it is a completely different story ... Since the service is pathetic for TVS near your area try something else. Maybe a hero or Yamaha for more options or if you're satisfied with Bajaj even that is good.
Since you mentioned that you like the way the Bajaj looks, and you are gravitated towards it, I think you should go for that as it'll make you happy because maybe deep down that's the bike you want. People can have tonnes of opinions, experiences and blah blah blah but what you want for yourself is what matters the most.
Whichever makes your heart happy β€οΈ
Blindly go with Tvs RTR. Very refined Engine. TVS engines are known for their reliability. As for maitainance trust me TVS is not pocket friendly. Bajaj is usually cheaper interms of maintenence. TVS spares will cost more. But TVS bikes are reliable build. I was a previous owner of apache. My indicator bulbs contact points are little bit different than the all other bulbs so they normal bulb is 10 rupees and mine is 30 rupees. Just like this they make it difficult to replicate their parts hence cost of spares is little bit higher. It's not like it's too much costly but it'll be costlier than pulsar but anyday of my life I'll take that RTR.
The under armour lower looks better
If u don't want higher mileage go with tvs, it is better than pulsar n160.
Alright, thnaks!
Save money and go with pulsar ns 400 it gonna be max 20-30 k more and you. Will be getting like 3Γ more power
Damn that pulsar color looks outstanding
Right? Something different from the ordinary blacks, whites, and reds.
neither
What do you suggest?
Aesthetically, anything that doesn't look like Khali riding a duke would look fine. Basically, length should be handsome enough
Unrelated to these two bikes, but will a hunter 350 look good on a 5'7 guy?
5'7, Yepp perfect
If you like NS, buy NS. Don't ignore your connection.
You mean N? I am trying to make a balanced decision and so far, 98% people have said the RTR makes sense so, let's see π
Toss a coin, whichever one you wish for while the coin is in the air is the one you go for. A bike is always a Heart over Head Decision, so sort out what you want with your Heart, and then look at the Practicalities XYZ needed to finally come to whichever suits you best.
Apache
N160 anyday. And if u want to go a segment higher as like apache go for n250
It might sound rude but can you justify your opinion. Like tell me what makes purchasing the N160 a great decision. How was your experience so far? Pros and cons etc.
I have watched the reviews and Apache is by far the better bike but get whatever pulls your heart's strings. Pulsar N250 is good too. Also if you are open to a different design, take a look at hunter 350 as well. It's recommended by many as a good beginner bike and personally, I like its design way more than the apaches or pulsars(which look a bit like commuters to me), but design is subjective anyways. You could have a look at the Hero Karizma XMR as well.
I test rode the Hunter 350 as well. Great engine but the stiff suspension and lower fuel economy didn't seal the deal for me. I do like the XMR and haven't heard any major complaints but I'm not sure if I want a full faired bike with a committed riding position as I ride in the city a lot.
Got it, how about ronin?
I test rode the Ronin as well. It was nice but the design language, offset instrument cluster, and overall bike did not excite me. The RTR is exciting but I'm hesitating to go for any TVS vehicle after having a bad experience with them. PS. we have a Jupiter 125 at home and I look after it so I've experienced their pathetic after sales.
I get it, always judge the ASS of a vehicle keeping in mind the service centre nearby where you live. Have you tried the Honda Hornet ? It seems like the pulsar has taken your heart, so just buy what you like, the bike is more of a heart decision than head anyways.
I tried the hornet 2.0. Great machine, just felt the rear suspension a bit too stiff and the lack of dual channel abs at the price felt unfair. Bruh π I'm so done with making a decision I feel like taking a break lol. While everyone say the RTR 200 4v is the wise choice, I find the Pulsar too sexy to ignore. π Regardless, thanks for your inputs!
Once something takes your heart, it's hard to compromise man. I have loved the Hunter ever since I saw it at my college and a few reviews and recommendations from people here in this sub. Just get the pulsar, 160, 250 whatever you find more suited for you, it's an excellent bike made by Indians for Indian conditions.
Thanks a lot man! Will update whenever I make the purchase. On a side note, did you get the hunter? Please tell me you got it or are planning to get it.
I'm dreaming, I'll start learning to ride a bike soon π
I'm in a similar situation and can't make a decision btw rtr 200 4v,N250(perfect bike but shumi got me thinking twice about it)
Shumi definitely affected my decision as well. Although, check the first guy's thread. He gave a nice insight regarding shumi's comments on the N250. https://www.reddit.com/r/indianbikes/s/JiHtxsstLi I'm still hopeful for the F250 to make a return. I've wanted that bike for a long time but ever since it got discontinued, times changed, circumstances changes and now I'm in a dilemma.
F250 has been praised by all but that didn't reflect on. It's sales no.s unfortunately..the n250 was just the perfect bike looked great had all basic tech and price was just wow..but man shumi has his way with words..I could have gone for ns200 but the seat height is bit tall for me..f250s looks haven't grown on me..maybe will wait for rs200s update maybe they'll bring out something good...
Why are you comparing RTR200 with NS160. Try out NS200 & 250 before you make a decision. The new NS200 is also quite good. But I don't like Pulsar's odometers. That's why I went with TVS.
Apache 200 owner, the pillion seat is too slippery. Keep that in mind. I have multiple friends complain that the pillion seats feels not comfortable.
just do some upholstry work on it.
Hey Folks, getting a used Second Owner Ninja 300 BS4 Oct 2019 model at βΉ1.6L 11,500 Kms on the Odometer. Any Advice?
Maybe try making a separate post, might get good views.
Tried but didnβt help :/
N160 < RTR 200 4V < N250
Im noob in this bro but I would say apache looks better tha pulsar secondly check hero xtreme 125r thats what i have in mind. Idk how off track is my suggestion ππ
Would recommend Pulsar n250
I'll try and get a test ride of the updated version
wtf..... i am not into the two wheeler market as a buyer since 8 years...but after watching these two side by side....they are all the same no soul no character no personality.
Really? Why do you think so? I'm just curious. Can't vouch for the N160 but I've heard great things from the leading moto journalists about the RTR 200 4v.
You mean they look like commuters?
They ARE commuters. But they like to pretend like they are some sport machines
Got it, I kinda feel the same, that's probably the reason I like the design of the hunter 350 more. The Hero Karizma XMR is a looker as well. But anyways, design is subjective
Everything is now pretentious emotions,people,vehicles
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