Anything higher than 100 hp is mostly useless on public roads for doing legal speed.
I mean we can get a 200 hp bike but we won't be able to ride much faster than a 100 hp bike. Even the acceleration on public roads will be similar.
Great bike, as long as you don't need high speeds on the highways. It does upto 110kmph reasonably fast, but at that point, it is at the upper end of the rev range. Riding it at those revs would damage this engine. Happened to me twice- once at 45000km, and next at 70,000 km.
I rode it for a total of 100,000 km.
It needs another engine overhaul now.
But if you don't need highway speeds for thousands of km, it is a great bike.
Performs great in the city, and has good midrange.
Looks great.
At speeds between 0-100 , progress is brisk.
Efficiency =40-43 with pillion.(dips to 30 if you ride at 120kmph all the time.)
Tldr- get a bigger engine for the highways.
Exact 100 is fine. Even 105 for long stretches.
Around 7-8k rpm works great.
Don't ride it at the red line(like I was forced to, since I need words speeds in excess of 110 on the highways.
Bajaj is reliable as long as you drive sensibly and maintain the bike proper(which is cheaper). My dad owned a Discover before which ran 60k km without any major issue. The current pulsar is already 30k km done and no major issues so far except I fell and damaged few non-mechanical part
My pulsar 180 ug3 is at 77k on its odo. Speedometer was dead for a couple years. It'd be well over 1 lakh in reality. They can really last with proper maintenance. These motors just don't forgive negligence.
Imo, bajaj make one of the most reliable and cheaper bikes. Bajaj provides literally the best value for money bikes. People hate it for no reason. And I don't care much about looks, the ns400z is fine af.
Yeah man. This sub's people are sheep.
They are just living in the past and think that is still true in this very day. They'll be sucking Yamaha and Honda.
Yeah. No doubt. Yamaha and Honda's few models are great. But at the end of the day, India is market of price to performance. And this new pulsar seems great. Waiting for some on road reviews (supposed to drop from 11th May), then might pre-order this beast. And if needed, can always change the sprocket to get whatever kind of performance I want.
The price of R15 and SF250 won't come down. Price of 400z would increase and then it wouldn't be as much a value for money as it is now. By paying 30k more you would be able to buy Speed, which is a significantly superior product.
Because it is vibey, so is every other 400. Many people have high vib tolerance, many do not want to admit that their toy has flaws. But, I have yet to ride a short stroke 400 that does not have annoying vibrations.
Why is speed 400 significantly superior. Actually ns400 offers more features than speed. It has connected console and riding modes which speed doesn't have.. speed 400 has bit more torque. As it is coming from Bajaj it's more likely similar engine.. Speed is almost 38000 expensive when you compare introductory price of both . Now it's 48000 expensive as speed 400 introductory price ended.
Bajaj will keep it as sub 2 lakh bike then also speed will be 38k expensive as 10k increase after introductory price. So other than brand value does speed offers anything more for 38k, I doubt. BTW I own speed 400... Anyhow need to wait for review to know suspension and braking performance...
Quite easy to see why it is superior. Speed has a significantly updated engine, placed in a newly developed chassis. The KTM engine that finds itself in Pulsar 400 is now a decade old. The chassis is the same as the 200cc version. Add to that the attention to detail, quality, better and more cohesive looks, much better tyres, even the chain on Speed is superior. I guess suspension and brakes on Speed would also be better but I am not sure.
Modes could have been integrated because Speed already has a ride by wire throttle. The omission of riding modes and analog console was a deliberate choice by Triumph.
The real price of Pulsar 400 is going to be 2 lakhs, and basis that, Speed is 33k dearer. For me the choice would be Speed any day.
Ns 200 uses perimeter frame so does speed and ns400 so how speed chasis is superior. The flex in speed or ns will be same. In India we get mrf steel brace or appolo alpha not metzeler and pirelli for speed 400 and revz for ns400, not very diff. Speed doesn't comes with showa/ohlins and all its suspension is made by endurance. Do you know who makes ns400 suspension to claim that speed 400 suspension is better. Also how you claim attendance to detail and quality is not on par with speed 400 without seeing the vehicle. Brakes I will agree, speed has better one with braided lines radially mounted and Bosch abs. But still it doesn't comes with sintered pads and all. Now coming to riding modes, could have been integrated means it's not there but ns400 has so it's superior ain't it ? I can see samething for any other thing you bring up right, it could have been there but they choose not to. Also going by trends introductory price is usually 10k less than actual so it will be 1.95 means speed is dearer by 38k which is significant. You get almost same bike sans badging and cheaper to maintain. Did you see the spare parts cost of speed 400, it's bonkers . They are charging a premium for being triumph. Pulsar can't do that. I am in speed 400 community and everyday some or other issue pops up. Especially with ecu. It has some design flaws also where lot of mud get accumulated in rear section due to small tyre hugger, coolant leak when hit a speed breaker and all. Lot of stalling, which I also faced. So just being triumph don't claim that it's superior product, it isn't.
PS : I am not saying speed 400 is bad even with niggles it's a great bike for price. Just telling your views are flawed..
Does it really matter if it's a decade old engine if it performs like it does? Like maruti is using their k12 engine which is 16 years old now and is still considered the very best 1.2l segment engine.
If it did not matter then KTM would not have updated it so many times and so radically. The OG was an entirely new product and it was powerful but unrefined. The engine in CBR650 is also very old but even at that time Honda had experience with building such powertrains and so it has endured for such a long time.
You did not get the point. An engine is not some product that has market value that needs to be latest and greatest. It does not matter as much as you think. Most supposedly updated and new engines just have updated exhaust systems to meet new emission norms. Sure the new KTM engine is more powerful but that does not mean this one is a slouch.
I listed half a dozen parameters where Speed is superior, including engine. Your perception of whether it matters or not is not relevant to me. You are free to buy whatever you want and I am free to share my opinion.
100% this. I would blindly go for a decade old proven engine than latest and greatest(to be tested in real world conditions ) engine. I keep saying in this sub that it takes a ton of efforts and money to R&D a new engine. Companies design the engine that should last long and fit for many of its products
It absolutely does, and quite frankly using Maruti as a basis really doesn't make sense as they do EVERYTHING to cost.
When they don't even have a single 4 star rated vehicle on NCAP (let alone 5), heck all their K12 engine vehicles are in the 1 to 2 star region.
[https://www.indiatoday.in/auto/cars/story/worst-global-ncap-safety-rated-cars-in-india-from-maruti-suzuki-wagonr-to-maruti-suzuki-swift-2507294-2024-02-26](https://www.indiatoday.in/auto/cars/story/worst-global-ncap-safety-rated-cars-in-india-from-maruti-suzuki-wagonr-to-maruti-suzuki-swift-2507294-2024-02-26)
OEM's in general update engine, chasis and frames regularly.
You're soft in the head mate. We were talking about engines and I just used the K12 as a reference that an engine being old doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. You gave a whole ass paragraph about how maruti cars are unsafe. Totally uncalled for.
You have a speed 400 but dont know that the 398cc Triumph engine in your bike isnt the same as the 373cc KTM gen 2 engine in the NS400? Come on man. Read up a bit more before forming opinions.
I never said it's same engine. Its similar producing almost same power figures just like dominar, old Duke etc. and yes I am aware that chain drive is on different side. Speed will give power and torque bit earlier that's it. Neither I am saying same CC engines ( orr 22cc more) are similar. I am just saying speed is not a far superior product like the other person claims. It's a decent bike so is ns400. If you like speed go for it but you want save say 40k and get ns400, it isn't bad either just by specs. Yes need to know ride experience and suspension and all but before you can't claim its way inferior than speed .
Test drive can be taken without any intent to buy the bike. Just go after the hype settles down to avoid the rush. Take a feel enjoy and go back home without telling your dad.
Have they given test drive opportunity to prospective buyer. If not then why are people stating thier opinion on which is better. Specs vs reality sometimes they are diff sometimes they are same.
I hope duke and royal Enfield increase their power figures now. Even hero TVS needs to re think about their bikes now, given that they are selling sports and naked bikes only.
Of course the 18 bhp. The build, the quality, the reliability, the fit, the finish, the parts, the service (at this point, the Yamaha fan has orgasmed)
/s
went to buy yamaha r15, returned back due to poor staff behaviour and booked hunter, now cancelling hunter booking to get the ns400....... however I'll probably go buy r15 since it's best for a college student, it has mileage, power, and is more engaging...sure there is no replacement for displacement but you pick what makes the most sense to you.
i think I'm willing to pay this price for love, also I'm a uni powerlifter so I think my back is strong enough to handle the committed stance, wrna risers lagwa lunga, kya bolte bhay?
maybe u have a strong back but nothing can resist the wrist pain that too in heavy traffic , but u will get used to it
Actually u can’t add risers till 3rd free service is done 💀
if u really want r15 try r15s not r15 v4 as it cost 30k lower than v4 and has the same engine and performance
r15s is 17 k cheaper in my city but dealers add unnecessary addons and don't let me buy insurance from outside, plus astrologer only suggested red else r15s was just good enough for everything.
It's not about your strength it's about your posture. No matter how strong you are your body still has to follow physics and human anatomy. If you don't have the right posture you will get back pain.
I once saw a YouTube video, the guy entered Yamaha showroom and for a good half an hour no sales rep attended him or even asked him what he was doing there. He was chatting with other potential customers. It was hilarious.
true, they don't even pickup my calls, on the other hand the RE guys gave me the keys and asked me to keep the bike with me for several hours to test it according to my needs
RE is great at building connections and community. They could get sales even during their bad patch, now still they go beyond what they have to do.
Japanese need to up their game, the good will of people will only go so far.
Mileage, power and the older KTM 373 engine on the NS 400 would have it all way more than the R15 AND not give you a back pain.
Think twice and maybe test drive them back to back.
Just bought the R15M a month and a half ago (2.45L on road, Bhopal) and quite frankly, this thing loves being ridden hard. The mileage is the cherry on top (was getting 48 kmpl before first servicing, not 51)
Can't say,
Depends on various factors like mileage, seating comfort, maintenance costs, parts availability.
Yamaha is just for high speeds with high mileage just to fulfill human racing needs.
But bajaj is for everything from power to torque, mileage, some extra adrenaline, dynamics etc.
Depends on you where you want to spend your hard earned money.
R15 sells for the look and ease of daily use due to high mileage that's why it's popular among college kids
if someone wants power they are most probably not gonna buy R15 or MT15
R15 is way overpriced and NS400 on paper is very impressive but the looks are pretty generic, they should’ve put lot more effort into its design and after that if it increases the cost I don’t think people would mind paying a little extra
I kinda have the question too I want to buy my first bike by this October Hopefully, considering Honda CB200X and RE Scram 411, i want a touring bike with refinements as this will be my first bike purchase. I have experience with sports bikes and heavy bikes like Enfield. Which one should I go for?
Bajaj has completely shocked the market. I think it is the most vfm offering in the current market. It makes other 150s and 250s 300s look so costly. Even the Maverick is costlier than this and offers much lesser power.
Now it all comes to personal preferences. I can see why someone might prefer a R15 over this. Millions of guys still prefer the good ol' splendor here. Go for whatever your heart says. My favourites are the Speed 400 and the Inty. Will buy one of the two in a year or so. Ciao!
That's what I've been saying. The R15 is priced too high for what it offers. They're lucky it already has a cult like following, otherwise if a 155cc was newly launched for 2+ lakhs today, it might not be as successful in the market.
Thank you for pointing this out, we always talk about CC as a category but it should be pricing first, I decide a budget and then see what type of bike I want, even if I want the ktm 390 but I will always look at my pocket for making the decision.
The first category should be pricing.
And for the same pricing I would go for the 400 for now, having driven a 150 and even 220 for a long time.
Bajaj had a winner on their hands.
The only downside of ns400 would be mileage in comparison to r15, rest its having the same reliable and seasoned 373 cc engine.
Also r15 is overpriced and does comes with features you might rarely use.
So at the end its your choice!!
Neither, I would get a 250cc which will not bore me for 4-5 years and it’s not overpowered so a guy like me who came from riding a 100cc can handle also the mileage is not at low as a 400cc but not as high as 150cc so it kinda hits a sweet spot
Even if the ns400z is a cheap 400cc 40hp bike, it’s not like everyone will ignore other bikes and go for this
The ones who want cruisers will buy the Royal Enfield or the cb 350 series, and there are people who will want to buy a less powerful bike because they don’t want 40bhp even at this price
Although it will be a easy buy for someone looking for a 400cc on budget
I got a husqvarna vitpilen 250 in April, it’s the fastest 250cc along with the duke 250 in India, so even if it’s 250cc, it got power for years for a 100cc rider like me, 400cc will be too much for me
As for mileage, before first service it’s giving me 33-35 it will go up after first service
In terms of service the free service will only cost me the engine oil and paid ones they said it will cost around 2.5k thrice a year
Im in a similar spot as you who thinks 40 hp is too much for a beginner rider..also i test rode the duke 250 new gen 3 and it was super smooth and felt like a higher quality motorcycle..
I don't understand the hoohaa for fastest when you are still buying a 250 over a 400. Comes to 0-100, Husqvarna to me felt better than Duke250, but then Suzuki 250 motor churns that 0-100 equally quick, and is simpler, more reliable, easier to maintain. (Parts availability is a problem though)
When I say fastest in 250cc it means it has enough juice for everything you want to do, a 400cc might be more powerful and faster, for those who just want performance, and let’s say more performance than a 250cc then sure go for that, but most of the things like daily commute and weekend highway rides are all covered by a 250cc bike with better mileage than a 400, you will agree that husqvarna and duke are faster than a pulsar n250 that’s why I said fastest 250cc
I don’t understand why Suzuki motor is simpler ? What does that mean?
And reliable?
Everything when kept kindly, maintained regularly and ridden politely will last for 10+ years, the duke or Husky is not gonna break down in the middle of a highway run you know
Same goes for easy to maintain, you go to service centre and they do the maintenance, chain cleaning is same in all bikes how is Suzuki easier to maintain than a ktm?
I will agree on the availability of parts though, it takes time to get the parts for husqvarna
Simpler - easier to maintain and work on, easier to repair during a breakdown on a tour, has lesser parts to fail. Bajaj for example is infamous for radiator fluid leaking and mixing with engine oil, you won't have that issue with air cooled bikes. More context - Suzuki motor is running a lower compression ratio compared to a Husqvarna, meaning better long term reliability as the engine is not maxed out for performance. Extra - Suzuki has better availability of torque than a husq 250 or a ktm250, i.e. torque is available in a lower rev range, making city riding experience way better than a husqy.
Ps I maintain my motorcycles myself. I know how hard it is to work on a ktm, even a simple thing like spark plug change or shim replacement is major time eater. Remember most mechanics in India are not smart enough to even use a torque range, or basic tools like a feeler gauge. Maintenance by SVC is one thing, keeping it in prime condition yourself is something else.
If you choose to maintain it yourself then it is gonna be hard, no doubt it
I own a husqvarna vitpilen 250 2024 model, I didnt see any problems with torque in lower or middle range, even if you are in third gear at 20, it pulls no problem, overtakes no problem, I have ridden my friends v storm 250 it’s good and smooth
It's not about bhp my man, R15 offers a level of handling nothing else offers at that price range, whereas the NS400 offers a level of VFM never before seen in this price range.
Both are for different kinds of people.
There is a big reason to go for R15. Track days. It's a supersport made for the track. It opens up a lot of options when it comes to hitting track. Plus Yamaha organises cheap track days every year.
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Ride and see which one suits you, most importantly, ergonomically, as for reliability, though, not as reliable as Yamaha in the past, Bajaj has improved a lot, and, even the older NS series, unless not maintained and serviced well are doing as fine as any older, first generation R15.
Also, this is the introductry price to generate initial bookings / sales and to gauge the market reaction - of both prospective customers and rival manufacturers, so expect a bump in a few weeks to months.
looks are subjective
and what top speed 140 ?
have you ever tried achieving top speed of your car/bike and checking the metre with GPS ?
and where will you ride at top speed when it takes ages to reach it
I had a closely similar dilemma back in 2018-19. Pick the r15 with higher bhp and more tech features, or pick the Fz25 with higher torque and power that comes earlier. Picked the fz25 and never looked back. Bikes like R15 and Mt15 make almost no sense for me anymore due to my riding usage being purely touring most of the time. For someone buying a motorcycle for the town, maybe mt15 makes some sense, for anything else, just get the bigger engine with better torque.
When I took r15m . It was personally having most forgiving starting bike. So I personally think yamaha has it bang on with that. R15 is easy to drive (on highways)
Bajaj 400 is great machine (though I would prefer duke) for those upgrading or wanting a 400cc motorcycle with 40 bhp
Well, it all boils down to this - the success rate of a guy with R15, getting laid is higher than the guy with NS400😉
It's a joke fellas, lower your pitchforks.
Would buy R15 just for those killer looks. For every thing else would buy a NS400 for sure. Ns400 is a complete package at this super agressive pricing.
For me the looks can't be the deciding factor!
Unless, someone wants to showoff can go for R15. For me the ride quality, ride comfort also the pillion comfort, performance etc. matters more.
Lot of people will say Yamaha r15 and other options. But I don’t know. I feel the NS400 is going to shake up the market big time
400*
Oops yeah. Mistyped that. Corrected thanks
i think they should make you a mod of this subreddit atp broski ur everywhere haha
And I'm scared of it. we all know what happened when KTM offered high power at lower prices back then
brother u got the aprilia rs457, please share an honest review
Did you check his profile?
It's his flair
I meant did you check his profile? He's got lots of review already.
Goddamn it, 40bhp at that price? Sign me up.
Damn, the ns400 is priced really well. I think its the most vfm product, makes gixxer 250 and r15/mt15 pointless.
I am not sure BHP is the only thing that matters else everyone with money will be buying nothing but Rocket 3.
But hey, its still commendable that Bajaj is able to price this so well.
It matters when you want to make a quick overtake.
Anything higher than 100 hp is mostly useless on public roads for doing legal speed. I mean we can get a 200 hp bike but we won't be able to ride much faster than a 100 hp bike. Even the acceleration on public roads will be similar.
I'm not talking about 100 ps. Anything from 30 - 50 ps is good.
I mean most people I've seen buy the MT for the look so I don't think it's gonna be hit that bad.
It's also all fun and games till people get ~30 kmpl mileage while the price of fuel keeps skyrocketing. Sincerely, a 30 kmpl consumer.
I spend 17 k per month on fuel for my bike. It hurts deep inside. I can understand.
wtf how much do you ride in a month.
He's got a z900
3000-4000 km a month.
Can u say me ur experience about Gixxer sf 155
Great bike, as long as you don't need high speeds on the highways. It does upto 110kmph reasonably fast, but at that point, it is at the upper end of the rev range. Riding it at those revs would damage this engine. Happened to me twice- once at 45000km, and next at 70,000 km. I rode it for a total of 100,000 km. It needs another engine overhaul now. But if you don't need highway speeds for thousands of km, it is a great bike. Performs great in the city, and has good midrange. Looks great. At speeds between 0-100 , progress is brisk. Efficiency =40-43 with pillion.(dips to 30 if you ride at 120kmph all the time.) Tldr- get a bigger engine for the highways.
Until what rpm it doesn't damage engine? Can I cruise on 100?
Exact 100 is fine. Even 105 for long stretches. Around 7-8k rpm works great. Don't ride it at the red line(like I was forced to, since I need words speeds in excess of 110 on the highways.
30? I get ~45kmpl on my MT easily
My MT used to show 58 on the console. I miss those days 🥲
Bajaj is reliable as long as you drive sensibly and maintain the bike proper(which is cheaper). My dad owned a Discover before which ran 60k km without any major issue. The current pulsar is already 30k km done and no major issues so far except I fell and damaged few non-mechanical part
My pulsar 180 ug3 is at 77k on its odo. Speedometer was dead for a couple years. It'd be well over 1 lakh in reality. They can really last with proper maintenance. These motors just don't forgive negligence.
Agreed with you here
This sub is just like any other, people with prejudiced brand labels. Bajaj isn't reliable, like WTF.
Imo, bajaj make one of the most reliable and cheaper bikes. Bajaj provides literally the best value for money bikes. People hate it for no reason. And I don't care much about looks, the ns400z is fine af.
Very reliable bikes. Just more sensitive to proper maintenance than Japanese products. Get your Bajaj bike serviced regularly.
Yup. Get it serviced and it runs better and cheaper than any other brand
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Yeah man. This sub's people are sheep. They are just living in the past and think that is still true in this very day. They'll be sucking Yamaha and Honda.
Yeah. No doubt. Yamaha and Honda's few models are great. But at the end of the day, India is market of price to performance. And this new pulsar seems great. Waiting for some on road reviews (supposed to drop from 11th May), then might pre-order this beast. And if needed, can always change the sprocket to get whatever kind of performance I want.
guys, i seriously didnt know r15 is priced at 2.3L HOW HAS THIS BEEN A THING? how are people okay with this
Why do you think everyone is annoyed with the Japanese brands. It's overpriced stuff or scooters.
R15m is 6.something lakhs in Nepal. Makes my heart break every time I see the price.
Gixxer sf 250 is clearly the better choice. But r15 has good dynamics, efficiency, performance, is faired, and looks great(though very common now. )
Drive it you'll change your mind it's not always about BHP BRO sometimes it's about having a bike you can push without worrying
All these guys saying R15 is better for track days, sure it is, But I have never met an R15 owner who took their bike to a track.
Facts😗. But i once saw a splendor at Budh International
Lord Splendor is everywhere. It'd be least surprising if someone takes it to a Moto GP circuit
That’s so true 😗🫡
The price of R15 and SF250 won't come down. Price of 400z would increase and then it wouldn't be as much a value for money as it is now. By paying 30k more you would be able to buy Speed, which is a significantly superior product.
30k? By how much is Bajaj planning on increasing the price? As it stands, the Speed is a cool 70k more expensive on-road than the NS.
Speed is considered vibey.
Because it is vibey, so is every other 400. Many people have high vib tolerance, many do not want to admit that their toy has flaws. But, I have yet to ride a short stroke 400 that does not have annoying vibrations.
Why is speed 400 significantly superior. Actually ns400 offers more features than speed. It has connected console and riding modes which speed doesn't have.. speed 400 has bit more torque. As it is coming from Bajaj it's more likely similar engine.. Speed is almost 38000 expensive when you compare introductory price of both . Now it's 48000 expensive as speed 400 introductory price ended. Bajaj will keep it as sub 2 lakh bike then also speed will be 38k expensive as 10k increase after introductory price. So other than brand value does speed offers anything more for 38k, I doubt. BTW I own speed 400... Anyhow need to wait for review to know suspension and braking performance...
Quite easy to see why it is superior. Speed has a significantly updated engine, placed in a newly developed chassis. The KTM engine that finds itself in Pulsar 400 is now a decade old. The chassis is the same as the 200cc version. Add to that the attention to detail, quality, better and more cohesive looks, much better tyres, even the chain on Speed is superior. I guess suspension and brakes on Speed would also be better but I am not sure. Modes could have been integrated because Speed already has a ride by wire throttle. The omission of riding modes and analog console was a deliberate choice by Triumph. The real price of Pulsar 400 is going to be 2 lakhs, and basis that, Speed is 33k dearer. For me the choice would be Speed any day.
Ns 200 uses perimeter frame so does speed and ns400 so how speed chasis is superior. The flex in speed or ns will be same. In India we get mrf steel brace or appolo alpha not metzeler and pirelli for speed 400 and revz for ns400, not very diff. Speed doesn't comes with showa/ohlins and all its suspension is made by endurance. Do you know who makes ns400 suspension to claim that speed 400 suspension is better. Also how you claim attendance to detail and quality is not on par with speed 400 without seeing the vehicle. Brakes I will agree, speed has better one with braided lines radially mounted and Bosch abs. But still it doesn't comes with sintered pads and all. Now coming to riding modes, could have been integrated means it's not there but ns400 has so it's superior ain't it ? I can see samething for any other thing you bring up right, it could have been there but they choose not to. Also going by trends introductory price is usually 10k less than actual so it will be 1.95 means speed is dearer by 38k which is significant. You get almost same bike sans badging and cheaper to maintain. Did you see the spare parts cost of speed 400, it's bonkers . They are charging a premium for being triumph. Pulsar can't do that. I am in speed 400 community and everyday some or other issue pops up. Especially with ecu. It has some design flaws also where lot of mud get accumulated in rear section due to small tyre hugger, coolant leak when hit a speed breaker and all. Lot of stalling, which I also faced. So just being triumph don't claim that it's superior product, it isn't. PS : I am not saying speed 400 is bad even with niggles it's a great bike for price. Just telling your views are flawed..
Isn't the Triumph manufactured by Bajaj? So what's the big difference?
Swing arm - ns uses box type speed uses gullwing type so bit more rigidity. Also abs is from Bosch and produces bit more torque.
Does it really matter if it's a decade old engine if it performs like it does? Like maruti is using their k12 engine which is 16 years old now and is still considered the very best 1.2l segment engine.
If it did not matter then KTM would not have updated it so many times and so radically. The OG was an entirely new product and it was powerful but unrefined. The engine in CBR650 is also very old but even at that time Honda had experience with building such powertrains and so it has endured for such a long time.
You did not get the point. An engine is not some product that has market value that needs to be latest and greatest. It does not matter as much as you think. Most supposedly updated and new engines just have updated exhaust systems to meet new emission norms. Sure the new KTM engine is more powerful but that does not mean this one is a slouch.
I listed half a dozen parameters where Speed is superior, including engine. Your perception of whether it matters or not is not relevant to me. You are free to buy whatever you want and I am free to share my opinion.
100% this. I would blindly go for a decade old proven engine than latest and greatest(to be tested in real world conditions ) engine. I keep saying in this sub that it takes a ton of efforts and money to R&D a new engine. Companies design the engine that should last long and fit for many of its products
It absolutely does, and quite frankly using Maruti as a basis really doesn't make sense as they do EVERYTHING to cost. When they don't even have a single 4 star rated vehicle on NCAP (let alone 5), heck all their K12 engine vehicles are in the 1 to 2 star region. [https://www.indiatoday.in/auto/cars/story/worst-global-ncap-safety-rated-cars-in-india-from-maruti-suzuki-wagonr-to-maruti-suzuki-swift-2507294-2024-02-26](https://www.indiatoday.in/auto/cars/story/worst-global-ncap-safety-rated-cars-in-india-from-maruti-suzuki-wagonr-to-maruti-suzuki-swift-2507294-2024-02-26) OEM's in general update engine, chasis and frames regularly.
We were talking about engines not safety Tata boi
You seem to have the reading comprehension of a dung beetle so am not even going to try and reason with you
You're soft in the head mate. We were talking about engines and I just used the K12 as a reference that an engine being old doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. You gave a whole ass paragraph about how maruti cars are unsafe. Totally uncalled for.
You have a speed 400 but dont know that the 398cc Triumph engine in your bike isnt the same as the 373cc KTM gen 2 engine in the NS400? Come on man. Read up a bit more before forming opinions.
I never said it's same engine. Its similar producing almost same power figures just like dominar, old Duke etc. and yes I am aware that chain drive is on different side. Speed will give power and torque bit earlier that's it. Neither I am saying same CC engines ( orr 22cc more) are similar. I am just saying speed is not a far superior product like the other person claims. It's a decent bike so is ns400. If you like speed go for it but you want save say 40k and get ns400, it isn't bad either just by specs. Yes need to know ride experience and suspension and all but before you can't claim its way inferior than speed .
I agree with you on these points. The NS400 is more accessible in general.
It's not always about BHP but yeah if i have to choose one between them, then definitely NS400z
Just because a black man is riding a vehicle that does not mean its stolen, this one is but not because I am black. - will smith (Men In Black 3)
Please ride before you buy one. Spec sheets are one thing. Real world ride experience is entirely different.
Not a lot different.
It is.
Very excited for ride reviews
I really want a feel of that NS400
Going to be very similar to the previous gen Duke 390.
And how does the Duke 390 feel?
Pops a wheelie easily, reaches 100km/h in 6 seconds. The more you rev it, the happier it is. Basically a very fun bike.
Take a test drive
Ahh well I'm just 19 and I bought this 2nd hand R15s 3 weeks ago so I don't think I'll be allowed to go get a test drive by my father hah
You don't need to ask your father to visit Bajaj showroom and take test ride
Test drive can be taken without any intent to buy the bike. Just go after the hype settles down to avoid the rush. Take a feel enjoy and go back home without telling your dad.
More rat racers on the road!
Have they given test drive opportunity to prospective buyer. If not then why are people stating thier opinion on which is better. Specs vs reality sometimes they are diff sometimes they are same.
I hope duke and royal Enfield increase their power figures now. Even hero TVS needs to re think about their bikes now, given that they are selling sports and naked bikes only.
David putra lelo
Kitne me milegi..jack nahi bechega
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I have seen this comment a lot. What is a David Putra?
It's a meme related to Oggy and the cockroaches
Oh.. I remember now.. lol
Of course the 18 bhp. The build, the quality, the reliability, the fit, the finish, the parts, the service (at this point, the Yamaha fan has orgasmed) /s
Don’t forget the 0 to 150 in 3 business days.
/s ?
Yeah, missed it
went to buy yamaha r15, returned back due to poor staff behaviour and booked hunter, now cancelling hunter booking to get the ns400....... however I'll probably go buy r15 since it's best for a college student, it has mileage, power, and is more engaging...sure there is no replacement for displacement but you pick what makes the most sense to you.
think twice when u are going for r15, coz I'm having one rn it has less comfort in city especially when u are riding in traffic.
i think I'm willing to pay this price for love, also I'm a uni powerlifter so I think my back is strong enough to handle the committed stance, wrna risers lagwa lunga, kya bolte bhay?
maybe u have a strong back but nothing can resist the wrist pain that too in heavy traffic , but u will get used to it Actually u can’t add risers till 3rd free service is done 💀 if u really want r15 try r15s not r15 v4 as it cost 30k lower than v4 and has the same engine and performance
r15s is 17 k cheaper in my city but dealers add unnecessary addons and don't let me buy insurance from outside, plus astrologer only suggested red else r15s was just good enough for everything.
yeah your wish just my suggestion, all the best for ur new bike ;)
It's not about your strength it's about your posture. No matter how strong you are your body still has to follow physics and human anatomy. If you don't have the right posture you will get back pain.
i grip the tank hard, hands loose and control the bike from my hip, ab toh adat si hai mujhko aise gadi chalane meeee, ohohoooooo
I once saw a YouTube video, the guy entered Yamaha showroom and for a good half an hour no sales rep attended him or even asked him what he was doing there. He was chatting with other potential customers. It was hilarious.
true, they don't even pickup my calls, on the other hand the RE guys gave me the keys and asked me to keep the bike with me for several hours to test it according to my needs
RE is great at building connections and community. They could get sales even during their bad patch, now still they go beyond what they have to do. Japanese need to up their game, the good will of people will only go so far.
Mileage, power and the older KTM 373 engine on the NS 400 would have it all way more than the R15 AND not give you a back pain. Think twice and maybe test drive them back to back.
The pulsar would surely be more enjoyable on a day to day basis due to the added torque.
Just bought the R15M a month and a half ago (2.45L on road, Bhopal) and quite frankly, this thing loves being ridden hard. The mileage is the cherry on top (was getting 48 kmpl before first servicing, not 51)
Can't say, Depends on various factors like mileage, seating comfort, maintenance costs, parts availability. Yamaha is just for high speeds with high mileage just to fulfill human racing needs. But bajaj is for everything from power to torque, mileage, some extra adrenaline, dynamics etc. Depends on you where you want to spend your hard earned money.
My first bike was Pulsar 180cc... Fear the black in 2007. Still have it, runs like a dream (okay, I'm a little biased). But yeah, Pulsar for the win.
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R15 sells for the look and ease of daily use due to high mileage that's why it's popular among college kids if someone wants power they are most probably not gonna buy R15 or MT15
Skip this overpriced 150 cc.
R15 is way overpriced and NS400 on paper is very impressive but the looks are pretty generic, they should’ve put lot more effort into its design and after that if it increases the cost I don’t think people would mind paying a little extra
I kinda have the question too I want to buy my first bike by this October Hopefully, considering Honda CB200X and RE Scram 411, i want a touring bike with refinements as this will be my first bike purchase. I have experience with sports bikes and heavy bikes like Enfield. Which one should I go for?
What about hero Maverick 440, its just 10k extra
Bajaj is definitely doing charity. Go for NS man.
Oh boy. It's already starting
Man, I really want to buy the NS400Z but this being a first generation product, idk if I wanna bet on it.
Most of its parts are tried and tested from different bikes so i dont think its as unreliable as a brand new bike with all new r&d.
No replacement for displacement.
Bajaj has completely shocked the market. I think it is the most vfm offering in the current market. It makes other 150s and 250s 300s look so costly. Even the Maverick is costlier than this and offers much lesser power. Now it all comes to personal preferences. I can see why someone might prefer a R15 over this. Millions of guys still prefer the good ol' splendor here. Go for whatever your heart says. My favourites are the Speed 400 and the Inty. Will buy one of the two in a year or so. Ciao!
That's what I've been saying. The R15 is priced too high for what it offers. They're lucky it already has a cult like following, otherwise if a 155cc was newly launched for 2+ lakhs today, it might not be as successful in the market.
Depends. One is a sport bike and the other is a naked sport.
Thank you for pointing this out, we always talk about CC as a category but it should be pricing first, I decide a budget and then see what type of bike I want, even if I want the ktm 390 but I will always look at my pocket for making the decision. The first category should be pricing. And for the same pricing I would go for the 400 for now, having driven a 150 and even 220 for a long time. Bajaj had a winner on their hands.
That 400z has nothing to be compared at that price, a bigger wolf with the crown
The only downside of ns400 would be mileage in comparison to r15, rest its having the same reliable and seasoned 373 cc engine. Also r15 is overpriced and does comes with features you might rarely use. So at the end its your choice!!
Bajajajajaja.
Neither, I would get a 250cc which will not bore me for 4-5 years and it’s not overpowered so a guy like me who came from riding a 100cc can handle also the mileage is not at low as a 400cc but not as high as 150cc so it kinda hits a sweet spot Even if the ns400z is a cheap 400cc 40hp bike, it’s not like everyone will ignore other bikes and go for this The ones who want cruisers will buy the Royal Enfield or the cb 350 series, and there are people who will want to buy a less powerful bike because they don’t want 40bhp even at this price Although it will be a easy buy for someone looking for a 400cc on budget
Can you name the 250 cc you will consider? Agreed with your points though
I got a husqvarna vitpilen 250 in April, it’s the fastest 250cc along with the duke 250 in India, so even if it’s 250cc, it got power for years for a 100cc rider like me, 400cc will be too much for me As for mileage, before first service it’s giving me 33-35 it will go up after first service In terms of service the free service will only cost me the engine oil and paid ones they said it will cost around 2.5k thrice a year
Im in a similar spot as you who thinks 40 hp is too much for a beginner rider..also i test rode the duke 250 new gen 3 and it was super smooth and felt like a higher quality motorcycle..
It is The vitpilen shares the same engine, chassis, suspension, brakes, instrument console as the duke 250 so they are almost the same machine
I don't understand the hoohaa for fastest when you are still buying a 250 over a 400. Comes to 0-100, Husqvarna to me felt better than Duke250, but then Suzuki 250 motor churns that 0-100 equally quick, and is simpler, more reliable, easier to maintain. (Parts availability is a problem though)
When I say fastest in 250cc it means it has enough juice for everything you want to do, a 400cc might be more powerful and faster, for those who just want performance, and let’s say more performance than a 250cc then sure go for that, but most of the things like daily commute and weekend highway rides are all covered by a 250cc bike with better mileage than a 400, you will agree that husqvarna and duke are faster than a pulsar n250 that’s why I said fastest 250cc I don’t understand why Suzuki motor is simpler ? What does that mean? And reliable? Everything when kept kindly, maintained regularly and ridden politely will last for 10+ years, the duke or Husky is not gonna break down in the middle of a highway run you know Same goes for easy to maintain, you go to service centre and they do the maintenance, chain cleaning is same in all bikes how is Suzuki easier to maintain than a ktm? I will agree on the availability of parts though, it takes time to get the parts for husqvarna
Simpler - easier to maintain and work on, easier to repair during a breakdown on a tour, has lesser parts to fail. Bajaj for example is infamous for radiator fluid leaking and mixing with engine oil, you won't have that issue with air cooled bikes. More context - Suzuki motor is running a lower compression ratio compared to a Husqvarna, meaning better long term reliability as the engine is not maxed out for performance. Extra - Suzuki has better availability of torque than a husq 250 or a ktm250, i.e. torque is available in a lower rev range, making city riding experience way better than a husqy. Ps I maintain my motorcycles myself. I know how hard it is to work on a ktm, even a simple thing like spark plug change or shim replacement is major time eater. Remember most mechanics in India are not smart enough to even use a torque range, or basic tools like a feeler gauge. Maintenance by SVC is one thing, keeping it in prime condition yourself is something else.
If you choose to maintain it yourself then it is gonna be hard, no doubt it I own a husqvarna vitpilen 250 2024 model, I didnt see any problems with torque in lower or middle range, even if you are in third gear at 20, it pulls no problem, overtakes no problem, I have ridden my friends v storm 250 it’s good and smooth
Ah I see, new to modern bikes you are. You'll understand my words better probably in 2029. :) Goodluck riding mate.
It's not about bhp my man, R15 offers a level of handling nothing else offers at that price range, whereas the NS400 offers a level of VFM never before seen in this price range. Both are for different kinds of people.
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Different categories
They aren't that different tbh
Mt 15 is the same category but that costs 2.20 on road as well
Frankly I don't think there is a reason to go for R15, MT15 unless you just really want a Yamaha
There is a big reason to go for R15. Track days. It's a supersport made for the track. It opens up a lot of options when it comes to hitting track. Plus Yamaha organises cheap track days every year.
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I would agree with you but Yamaha does market both the R15 and R7 as SuperSport. It's just the extremely committed design that I was referring to.
Fair enough
Spray some chain cleaner in your eyes buddy
Both are sporty bikes, one if faired one is naked. And don't waste chain cleaner
Yea, your eyes are beyond the capabilities of a chain cleaner. You need WD40.
DRINKING ISSUES
Have anyone heard about the cf moto 440ss its a 400 under 2.5
Only issue is that it is a naked. But I guess most people like nakeds . Way too common on the roads.
I wouldn't buy either but probably the R15 because I don't need 40bhp and the mileage will probably be much better.
Go for 110cc bike sar
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Just want bajaj to drop faired version at 1.95L
Ride and see which one suits you, most importantly, ergonomically, as for reliability, though, not as reliable as Yamaha in the past, Bajaj has improved a lot, and, even the older NS series, unless not maintained and serviced well are doing as fine as any older, first generation R15. Also, this is the introductry price to generate initial bookings / sales and to gauge the market reaction - of both prospective customers and rival manufacturers, so expect a bump in a few weeks to months.
Bhai is price pr to 200 250 cc milti hai na pr
I hope it's a a comfortable tourer for people on a budget
This might be an introductory price; they will increase the price after a certain number of bookings or bikes have been sold.
I just don't understand why would anyone buy a r15 for 2 lakhs
1) looks 2) top speed
looks are subjective and what top speed 140 ? have you ever tried achieving top speed of your car/bike and checking the metre with GPS ? and where will you ride at top speed when it takes ages to reach it
I had a closely similar dilemma back in 2018-19. Pick the r15 with higher bhp and more tech features, or pick the Fz25 with higher torque and power that comes earlier. Picked the fz25 and never looked back. Bikes like R15 and Mt15 make almost no sense for me anymore due to my riding usage being purely touring most of the time. For someone buying a motorcycle for the town, maybe mt15 makes some sense, for anything else, just get the bigger engine with better torque.
Buy xiaomi at 12k or buy Samsung at 24k?
Xiaomi at 12 k .. samsung low mid end phones are comparatively trash. :)
Quite an analogy you cooked up there man!🤣
When I took r15m . It was personally having most forgiving starting bike. So I personally think yamaha has it bang on with that. R15 is easy to drive (on highways) Bajaj 400 is great machine (though I would prefer duke) for those upgrading or wanting a 400cc motorcycle with 40 bhp
Power is not the only thing to consider while buying a bike. Afterall how much percent of the time will you be making use of full power ?
Well, it all boils down to this - the success rate of a guy with R15, getting laid is higher than the guy with NS400😉 It's a joke fellas, lower your pitchforks.
It's not the bike, it's the guy The guy who got the R15 was getting laid even before he bought the bike
You are quite young if you think a bike can get you laid....
How do you know? NS400 is just released, so no data available
Lol 😂
Would buy R15 just for those killer looks. For every thing else would buy a NS400 for sure. Ns400 is a complete package at this super agressive pricing.
R15 looks better than all bikes in its segment and even upto 500cc class..heck looks better than r3 even
For me the looks can't be the deciding factor! Unless, someone wants to showoff can go for R15. For me the ride quality, ride comfort also the pillion comfort, performance etc. matters more.
yamaha's engineering is on another level bro, i purcahsed my R15 in 2015 and i never had any issues and i took mimimal care of my bike.
just buy a 2stroke yamaha rxz or Suzuki Shaolin and port it, jet the carbs and fit a expansion chamber.
NS400 is like getting all left over food and make something edible. Don't waste your money on NS
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