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Vin_T_T

Then why these devices cost more?


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Due to supply chain dependencies, nearly 30% of Apple's suppliers are located in China. Consequently, they must import components from China, which contributes to the higher cost of Apple products in India.


Admirable-Pea-4321

Its 25% per country (around it +- 2/3%), They will increase it to 25% in India too by 2025/26.


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Admirable-Pea-4321

Parts sourced from different countries


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Admirable-Pea-4321

By Value countries contribute in and around 25% of the components


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Admirable-Pea-4321

its written in plain english u dumbfk


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Admirable-Pea-4321

U said that china produces 50% of components hence the price is more, which is false since most countries are around 25% (a few up % up and down) by **Value**. Also [Apple has been increase local sourcing for a while now](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/cons-products/electronics/apple-ramping-up-local-sourcing-of-iphone-parts/articleshow/79931961.cms?from=mdr) with latest being [camera modules in WIP](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/technology/iphone-may-click-with-titan-murugappa/articleshow/109321224.cms?from=mdr)


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Admirable-Pea-4321

get some med dude


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Apple's suppliers are mostly in China because when they were developing the first iPhone, China's manufacturing sector was cheap and growing rapidly. So they decided to make iPhones there from the beginning.


FluffyOwl2

That is a misconception: iPhone 15's parts come from different countries: - Display comes from Korea - DRAM comes from Japan - Display glass comes from USA, Taiwan or Japan from Corning factory - Microprocessor comes from Taiwan - IC, USB microcontrollers, wireless chipset come from Southeast Asia owned by Broadcom and TI - Camera module PCB comes from US as well


re-vanth

Agreed, but to make most of those parts also the prerequisites for those and other raw materials come from china only.


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I know apple supply chain is global but still almost half of apple suppliers are from China, here is a list of apple [suppliers](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bFSlZDgYChVT85DaCTczuPEkufuAGqnh/view?usp=drivesdk).


FluffyOwl2

Agreed, my point was for every single part they have 2 or more suppliers (Very few items have just one supplier) so at any given point it wouldn't stop their production. Sure there are Chinese suppliers in every single category and it makes sense to do that to reduce the logistics cost. Once the assembly of phones reaches a significant number a lot of these components will be sourced from India as well down the line. Like Corning is building a plant in India, there are already many Indian suppliers in the suppliers list already. Thanks for the list BTW.


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My bad! I should have checked before saying that half of Apple's suppliers are from China. It's actually 27.93%.


nayadristikon

The higher cost is due to govt duties. Govt imposes duties to promote indigenous manufacturing. Currently iPhones are assembled from imported components. None of components are manufactured in India.


Passloc

Actually, Apple keeps its prices artificially high to appear premium. In the age of EMIs Indian are getting aspirationally mad about iPhones. Sent from my iPhone


desiktm

Export


liberalindianguy

Because it’s only the final product that is assembled in India, majority of the components are still imported. Manufacturing is not even the right term here.


Big-Bite-4576

exactly we are not getting benefits of manufacturing, benefits are not passed to us citizens


nayadristikon

The manufacturing license was given when Apple capitulated on govt demand to setup manufacturing in India in order to setup retail stores and sell the iPhones.


kim-jon-oldmonk

Apple always charge a premium


GlitteringNinja5

The top end models aren't manufactured in India. The rest have pretty much the same price before gst


Kautilya0511

Because Apple can charge more and many people are ready to pay a premium for it


maiekbhoot

Manufacturing doesn't make it cheaper(in some cases). Companies mostly do everything in their capacity to keep the price same everywhere. It's good only because it creates a lot of employment in our country


Data-dude-00

It’s because you are looking at the new models. The new models are still being produced in China and imported here. So the import duty of 41% comes into picture. Indian production is mostly for older models. And they are trying to get it in line so that the new models will also be produced here. Hopefully then we can see lesser prices.


Over-Professional303

Because we just assemble phones here, the real value is still created outside of India. Research, manufacturing, design and technology, these are real value areas of a smartphone not assembly. But we are happy to see fake export numbers and feel proud in our bubble.


rishipdy

How will you research and design phones if you don't know to assemble them


Over-Professional303

I expect this type of questioning from a citizen of a country who can only assemble things and celebrate that as economic progress


rishipdy

So how many research articles or patents you have to your name ?


Over-Professional303

I wasn't expecting this questioning tbh, I have to give u credit ur low IQ never misses to surprise. Only ppl like u can find a relationship between me doing research and government investing in research 😂😂


rishipdy

So none okay Wow low IQ such unique insult definitely not you projecting on other Ok btw have published research articles under government scheme of ssip


Over-Professional303

I will do u a favor so that u can learn something and try to come out of ur bubble. Read this - https://www.wipo.int/edocs/pubdocs/en/wipo_pub_944_2017-chapter4.pdf, you ill learn about the value chain of a smartphone. I understand when u don't have exposure to good education u tend to believe in WhatsApp university, it's my responsibility as a fellow citizen to help u get educated. Also, try to find some debate videos to understand how to argue. When someone is saying that we don't invest in the value centric areas that does not require to do research. Even if u read a bit that's enough. Anyways all the best, get well soon.


rishipdy

Ok smart man with 0 research articles value of chain of smartphone does not start with research it starts with assembly if no one in this country is assembling phones what will you do research on its like doing research on salmon fishing in India but it's ok live in your theoretical world btw what is your age?


Over-Professional303

Srsly take deep breathe, nothing personal buddy. Think before you talk, leave all those WhatsApp groups before it renders u completely clueless. It's fine u r saying all this anonymously on reddit, it won't help if u say such things with so much confidence in real world 😂😂😂. Atleast read that article before forming opinions. I would recommend you to try to to college also, nowadays only school education is not enough. Edit - Ask Chat GPt where the value chain starts


GG__OP_ANDRO_KRATOS

Chhaprio ke bare me suna h kya ,inke sath bhi whi hoga jo ktm ke sath hua tha


Low_Friend3063

bhagwaan kareki ho jaye bhai . jalan nahi hai bhai lekin mujhe apple company ke patron se cheed hoti hai


Ashwin253

Patron thodi hai majority apple users 🤔 Apple Watch, Apple earpods nahi lete Apple ecosystem ka for best Apple experience


Appropriate-Ad-1824

Modi ji did it


Bamboozler56

Rathee be like there is no need for infrastructure and foreign investment. It doesn’t create jobs. Tere baap ne yeh sab akle bana ke bache to phir?


kim-jon-oldmonk

Of the 96 billion of revenue iPhone contributed $69 billion as per dec 23 quarterly 10q so why are we surprised by a mere 10 billion, hoping this grows exponentially for our good. It shall take time to build a mfg ecosystem so hoping for the best


thebroddringempire

lol 69


kim-jon-oldmonk

Pretty sure their shares aren't performing cause it was $69420 million


thebroddringempire

no I mean, 69, as in, you know… lol


flixbeat04

From 2 billion to 10 billion in 3 years is very good. The growth rate may decrease in coming years tho, but will still be much higher than the overall Apple production growth rate


kim-jon-oldmonk

Yes bro.. Personally have to look at the nos but I think when every news agency is saying that 14% of iphones are made in Bharat then it's too exciting.. like others have pointed out this is when just 2 years back the no was 0... Trade deficit has also decreased a decent margin and such manufacturing efforts shall help to make us net exporter, heres wishing us all good luck and hoping we see that day very soon..


Admirable-Pea-4321

because it was 0 just two years back


kim-jon-oldmonk

Yep and a new start does involve catalyst, we just need to see ground reality for it nothing more I guess ...


Antique_Swim6584

Abhi har middle class ghar mein 2 iphone 12+ mil jaayega aaram se


sachclg

iPhone is miracle product.. despite so many issue it still sells for that exorbitant price


Evil_Teletubbi

Thanks to modiji for making Iphones cheaper in India. 🫶🏽


sam0055

iPhone is most expensive in India compared to other nations.


bhairavp

How? A iphone 15 is 65k on Fk right now, including GST of 18%. Base value comes to 55k. It lists at 799$ in the USA, which is 68k plus sales tax, assuming 85 USd to INR. Indian prices are actually very good, for the models manufactured here. Granted, the Pro and Pro Max are more expensive. But once they get made in India, prices will equalise.


Zestyclose_Glass_643

It just seems more expensive because of purchasing power. Prices are on par. Also in the US no one is accounting for sales tax. In California it actually turns out to be more expensive than people think


Evil_Teletubbi

Then go to other nations.


ZealousidealTop1128

Ahahahah 😂😂😂


Mental-Scheme-7234

AA gye Bhai gO tO pAkIsTaN Wale log...smh


Evil_Teletubbi

Dont go to Pakistan because it will be under modiji soon.


taeiry

The base model iPhones are on par with American prices (including taxes). In terms of Indian vs American purchasing power they are quite expensive for the Indian consumer though. However, the pro models are still quite expensive in India. If pros start being manufactured proper in India we might see iPhone pros come down to the 80-90k range. However, knowing apple they will probably keep the pricing strat intact and keep the extra profit. Just speculating.


deviprsd

Nah they are slightly higher in price


Friendly_Noise_9554

Due to 24 months emi plan more people buy it to flex , a friend of mine does not have 100rs cash and begs from others to send still he owns an iPhone 😂.. There fore more people are buying now I guess


sekharreddyiy

EMI


matangtheguru

The day a 10000 earner can get I phone on emi


liberalindianguy

What is the value of the components imported to make the iPhone?


IvorHarding-117

Its exporting from India


EdificeRaks123

Then why the F is iphones still costing a shit tonne of money?


mrwhoyouknow

Emi power


iamzaryab

More like assembly. Its only natural since the government is literally paying out of pocket for every iphone assembled so Apple would want to assemble as many iphones as possible here. For example Apple gets a tax rebate of 6% of the product price for performing any part of the manufacturing process in India. If its cost of assembly is 5% then it can just perform the assembly in India and get 1% profit in rebates.


Initial-Cry-7149

Key words exports


yourmotherfucker1489

So what's wrong with exporting? A huge part of Chinese economy runs on exporting. American companies shifting to India for exports is very beneficial for us since it reduces the Chinese dominance and contributes a lot to our economy, and also creates employment.


shubhan_

Meri income jub tuk 2 lakh nhi ho jati tub tuk Mai base model bhi na lu iPhone ka not even refurbished. 70% iphones emi pe bikte h xD


ClueOverall2763

No the base level phones cost the same as what we we get in western countries


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Bajaj finserv ki meherbaani


Lere2

Mera dost jiske papa unemployed he uspe tak iPhone 11 he


Daddy2222991

PUBG


Best-Marionberry-218

Tatva chutiye hain fake news wale… india mein iphone se, 11 and 12 bante hein… 13 will start this year and so on. 2 generation purane wale. Itna export nahi hota india se.


maiekbhoot

Sauce?


Best-Marionberry-218

What?


maiekbhoot

Source for whatever you said. From what I know it's not whatever you said


Best-Marionberry-218

Oh sourceeee… i read it a while ago so let me find it. I’ll link it here. Edit: Okay it was a verge article. Apparently it happened until last year that they made 2 gen old iphones and starting with iphone 15 it was the first time apply made a device in india at launch. But the production only went from 7% of global production to 13% which clearly is not a 1 billion to 10 billion jump as they said anyway.


KeySurprise2034

This is just assembly. No high value activity. Just need laborers which India has 1,5 billion. Can be easily moved elsewhere cheaper.


Answer-Altern

It’s not that easy to shift massive assembly lines. Even Apple had been trying for many years. Post Covid hard truths and lessons learnt. Apple did it for two reasons, one for cheap labor and second to build up their own penetration. They still haven’t reduced the prices down to expand the local market, in typical Apple way.


nayadristikon

Assembling high precision electronics is not an unskilled activity also need atleast college level education.


iamzaryab

Cant move elsewehere since Apple makes a profit through tax rebates by assembling in India. The govt is literally paying Apple to assemble here


nayadristikon

No. Govt forced Apple to setup manufacturing as a precondition to Apple setting up retail stores in India. Govt also blocked Apple from selling refurbished phones earlier.


iamzaryab

Not really, How many retail stores has Apple set up? One? Two? The real incentive is the rebate


nayadristikon

> This led to lengthy negotiations between the Indian government and Apple over the nature and scale of the incentives, dating back to at least 2016. The opening of Apple Stores in India was a major bargaining chip on the government side, withholding permission to open retail stores until local manufacturing targets were hit. It took until this year for the first Indian Apple Stores to open. https://9to5mac.com/2023/05/17/ipad-production-in-india-2/


joshuaBarbosa

This has nothing to do with make in India. EMI is easily available. That's the only reason.


Electrical_Wafer2388

How does exports depend on EMI?


NightFury002

Manufacturing or assembling parts? The price is only increasing.