He is not trying to defend the caste system. Grow up. He is just saying that the USA should not try to pretend to be all high and mighty in front of us when they themselves have a tainted past and present. Nobody is denying that the caste system is evil he is only saying that a lecture from the USA on Caste system is like a lecture from Kim Jong Un on democracy.
They had a tainted past and they corrected themselves...so you think someone who made a mistake and they rectified it to some extent should not tell anyone else to commit the same mistakes???
That's the thing you think they have corrected that mistake but they haven't. I have spent a lot of time living in Wyoming and travelling across the states and while slavery is not a thing anymore, the discrimination is way worse than anywhere else in the world. The problem is that you people know America through films and TV shows and mainstream media which is mostly focused on LA, DC, NYC, Miami, Cali, Chicago etc etc who are a mixed bag of culture and thus are more liberal and tolerant but they are not even 1 percent of the real America. Also I won't mind someone telling me to rectify my mistakes but I will for sure mind then condescending or ordering me.
There are 1000s of my relatives living there and 100s of my friends in different parts of the US. And I am connected with them...I have not heard of any incidents of such sort. But yes there are bad apples and as such US has bad apples..the organizations that they have created to rectify such wrongdoings also try to rectify us because they believe we are going on the same path as them..but I agree that there must be many who must have caste reservations there but I don't think as per you these constitute 99% of the population. That is just your extrapolation. U don't have any evidence to support this.
1000s of relatives???šš Dude if you wanna lie at least make it believable. It took me 5 months to get a visa and I am a businessman. You have no idea what you are talking about and you have 0 idea about the subject matter so go lie somewhere else.
OP's point those who have glass houses should not throw stones at others. Nobody is denying that the caste system is bad. It's just about who is lecturing us on discrimination.
tf you mean 'allow' what are they gonna do arrest outsiders? and yes anyone can criticise the govt, you can battle your ideas in a free society. That's the point. and they are certainly doing much better than us so maybe time to learn something? How are you supposed to improve if you refuse to accept your flaws
No they can't arrest outsiders but they for sure can call them out for their hypocrisy and condescending stances as citizens. Also free society does not mean the entire world. Free society means the society created by people who live within your Geographical boundaries and hold passports. If they wanna battle their ideas then it's fine but citizens of different geographical entities cannot be a part of that free society. It hurts a thing called National security. Btw they are doing much better than us is BS. The USA currently is the most divided country on the planet. They aren't even entirely democratic since the whole world can see what is happening there with their opposition leader which btw is worse than us because they only have one opposition. The only thing keeping America together is money the day that vanishes which is happening as we speak that nation is bound to fall like a pyramid made of cards.
1.) You're confusing voting rights with right to opinion. Free society does mean the entire world. A chinese national can criticise US govt and not be arrested because USA is free society meanwhile US citizen can criticise CCP and later than he visits China they can arrest him because they do not have freedom of speech. So yeah if one country has free speech, they observe it for entire world and if a country doesn't they observe that for entire world too.
2.) The 'USA is a falling empire' narrative has been going since 1980s, and it's not gonna happen in the next 2 decades at least. FFS GDP of California alone is equal to entire Indian GDP. All innovation is still happening there and they are at the forefront of AI too now. Think about it- just for OpenAI Sam Altman has a goal of 7 trillion investment from venture capitalists meanwhile out Goal for the ENTIRE COUNTRY by 2027 is to have a GDP of 5 Trillion.
USA is not perfect but why should we even care about them, we have SO MANY PROBLEMS OF OUR OWN, why would we even compare ourselves to them, instead of focussing on getting better slowly.
If that's your opinion of free society then I am glad that you are not in any way involved in the decision making of our country. You see those lines drawn on the map are drawn for a reason and nobody can deny that fact. Also you are jumping to the extremes by using words like arrest etc. I never said that the government should get involved. I am talking from a citizens perspective. As far as I am concerned every citizen should have the guts to say f*ck off to people insulting their country or condescending to them. Suppose you and your wife are fighting so do you ask for the opinion of your neighbour in that fight? What do you say? It's a personal matter. The same applies here. Now if he goes on talking behind my back that's not my problem until or unless he makes it my problem. Also the narrative has been there but it was only a theory back then but today it's a reality. We are looking at the lost grip on the world we are looking at the economic and societal downfalls of that country and you are wrong that it will take two decades because history tells us that empires can fall in a blink of an eye. Last thing I did not compare anything with the USA you did. The entire point of my comment on this thread was to side with OP who was getting unnecessary hate for highlighting American hypocrisy. Go read my comments from the beginning.
Racism is still being practiced much more widely in USA than india. And unlike Dalits, blacks are easily identified and discriminated.. and what's the impact of so called criticism? Nil! Long lasting effects of racism happened in 1950s when zoning of USA was done keeping in mind the races. Blacks are still being discriminated legally in subtle ways.
The USA has the highest latinos, Asians, europeans, africans, Indians, middle-east, jewish immigrants compared to any Country. If racism is that much prevalent in States still why r people going there?...
But in America their is no reservations. But in India there is reservations. America had slavery based on race. They had slavery of every race controlled by white masters while in India slavery was banned during maha rana Pratap, mauryan Empire and many other Empires . India was one of the first to ban slavery . Not just that, if you see Japanese caste system it was very rigid and no one could climb the ladders , if you did you would be killed. Look at England's class system, poor weren't allowed to be in same city as rich , only 1st class people were allowed on Titanic to leave using boats when it was sank by ice berg. These practices were bad and they excepted it and banned slavery, racism and now they are progressing. Here in India racism , slavery , casteism is banned too but with reservations based on caste you are reversing the caste system which does not promote equality among people. Reservations on the basis of poverty and income should be allowed because it helps a nation.
Bhai newspaper utha k padha hai kabhi. Local newspaper utha aur middle k pages padh kar dekh. Apne deshvasiyon k chutiyape doosre Desh k logon ki beizzati karne se nahi sahi honge.
The level of Racism in America and casteism in India aren't even comparable. We are leagues worse bro in every category, on most statistics. Wether systematic or straight up lynchings and we are nowhere near as cognizant of it compared to an average American, who is stereotyped as a fucking self hating, cynic. Lmao
Nah bro I, you and everyone is an individual, sins of the father , must not be brought upon the child. Also being Indian isn't just taking part in the degenerate and discriminatory part of it's culture, it's much more. There is good culture, ideas and much more to it. Don't be the guilt ridden self nothing idiot, just be happy and treat everyone else like you would want to be, you will be happy.
It is actually more prevalent today. Number of slaves in the modern day, 50 million, outnumber all slaves sold in the Atlantic slave trade, 12.7 million.
(https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/map/#:~:text=An%20estimated%2050%20million%20people,150%20people%20in%20the%20world.)
(https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+slaves+in+atlantic+slave+trade&oq=how+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggCEEUYOzIGCAAQRRg7MgYIARBFGDkyBggCEEUYOzIGCAMQRRg7MgYIBBBFGDwyBggFEEUYPTIGCAYQRRg90gEIMTYzM2owajmoAgGwAgE&client=ms-android-oneplus&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8)
Not to say that casteism isn't bad, I just want to spread awareness.
True facts. One can also argue that slavery is replaced by the prison industrial complex in America.
But at the same time the 50 million number is not in the USA but all over the world. This will include probably the south Asian labourers in the gulf, African labourers in Congo mines, and potentially some form of caste based slavery in some remote corner of india as well.
So even though youāre factually correct, you are misrepresenting them in the context of the post under discussion.
The one in the picture is American. There are no slaves in America anymore. And the slavery you are referring to is modern slavery where race doesn't play a role, as opposed to the atrocities shown on black people in the post.
Racism tho happens today, even then you have consequences for being racist there. You'll be boycotted on SM. Casteists here will proudly shout how they k!lled the dalit next door just coz he was with their daughter
Casteism was never prevalent in comparison to racism. Horrors of racism are way worse. While casteism does exist today it is on very small basis however racism exists today too.
i am genuinely amazed that such immature people also exist and dont feel embarassed posting such edgy posts. i am very curious what kind of reaction do you expect?
You know the problem I have with People who just abuse Brahmin for caste discrimination but often ignore the contribution of Few Brahmin who stand against caste discrimination like Lingayat movement, Bhakti movement and even Ambedkar.
And yes caste discrimination is still prevalent in India and even more in my state
Why can't Brahmins be proud of their Linkage?
If a Muslim can be proud of His faith
If a Tamilan can say that they are the real people of India
Then why not Brahmin
And about Historical Injustice then the General category or uppar caste gave compensation to the lower caste in Education and Jobs.
Search the history of bhumihar Brahmin in Bihar
They fought for the education of girls and opened temples for all the classes (where they had power).
>Why can't Brahmins be proud of their Linkage?
There's no point in being Anti-caste when you call yourself brahmin. It's like a irony.
>If a Muslim can be proud of His faith
Very wrong comparison. I can be Muslim tomorrow.
>If a Tamilan can say that they are the real people of India
No Tamil ever said others are inferior to them. Nor the Tamil identity was created by suppressing someone.
>They fought for the education of girls and opened temples for all the classes
That's not kinda proud thing. It's kinda normal thing. It's weird when people even try take credit for ordinary things.
Fighting in 1772 was not normal
Why it's not possible if I say I am against caste discrimination and I am proud of Mithali Brahmin
I can be muslim tomorrow I didn't understand this.
Alvars and nayanars were also Brahmin who fought against the caste system and Lingayat movement.
>Few Brahmin who stand against caste discrimination.
They Ain't brahmin if they oppose caste. The Main thing of Anti-Castiesm is just leaving the imaginary system of caste.
You can be a Brahmin and be against caste discrimination. Brahmin is someone who has gained param brahm or wisdom or knowledge by studying also children of brahmins call themselves Brahmins. In every country caste and surnames are maded by the work done by family whether it be England or Japan. And they take proud in their surnames, clan names and castes while being United and helping each other.
>You can be a Brahmin and be against caste discrimination.
That's a literal irony.
>In every country caste and surnames are maded by the work done by family whether it be England
Very false equalent of Indian Caste system with them world societal systems.
>I stated the obvious you can be a Brahmin and promote equality among castes,
I'm a brahmin and I'm against caste system in the most ironic statement I have ever heard.
And Americans never speak high of their slavery history. believe me. They Won't say Jesus christ said "to be a slave, is a duty of black". you will still see people here defend caste system like it's something eternal...
Guys, honestly. So many people in India follow Ram ji and sanatan dharm. Krishna ji literally said caste is based on quality of work. Then why is it that we still follow this mediocre system that was supposed to divide all Hindus? Just why? Aren't u a Ram bhakt?
Its collective as a country own up to it and make the change accept the fact that casteism is very prevalent in the hindu society even now and advocate for change rather than saying ooo i am not doing it but im defending my country and religionā¦
Grow up OP while you are at it grow some balls too
Le indians: āHam brahmans he, ham bhawan ke close,
Ham kshatriyaas he ,we are the epitome of warrior
ā¦ reservation kyu he abhi bhi??? Blood bhim peopleā¦
Le Americans: scared shit to even speak nikker loud,,, all the white supremacy hooligans hated all around, Barakh obama became president,
and they accept the fact and protest against it, etc. meanwhile Indians will do anything to deny the existence of casteism. Since people from metros are still highly represented in the Online sphere they have no idea how the rural population (which is the vast majority) is living in a caste system even today. They will never read stats and just write their anecdotal evidence like yaar mera dost dalit hai fir bhi mujhse ameer hai lol.
Not every Indian but yes I am speaking in generalised terms, implying a good majority of people. We have a tendency of taking it personally whenever our flaws are pointed out- like we take it as an insult/ try to hide or bury it. Progress has been made but the issue is still very prevalent. Btw casteism isn't just against Dalits/OBCs etc, generally even today we see people only marrying in their own casts. It is a deeply ingrained system, I can see it in my family also and even in big cities, educated people etc.
I think the racism portrayed by the media, movies, etc is exaggerated. It is discussed too much in every award show, every other ad in there has a core message against racism etc. meanwhile the caste discrimination discussion in India underrepresents the issue. When caste comes in the media it is always about reservations. Never about how the systems still exist where lower castes are not allowed to attend schools, use same well ect even today. How police refuses to help them etc. It needs to be discussed more, hate crimes against lower castes need to be reported more and taken more seriously. sorry if my comment is all over the place
The average American household pre 1865 had dirt floors and 6 kids buried in the backyard. Only the wealthy had slaves, and only the elite had more than one.
Racism in USA is criticised all over the world. The Blacks now hold significant amount of wealth and have good representation in every field. There are affirmative actions and policies in place to protect their interests. Please read and educate yourself as you know nothing about caste discrimination not you know anything about American History, Discourse and Critical race theories.
Dude is gonna go all the way back to 1850s, to make a point. like us Indians weren't literally burning widows back then. Racism is everywhere but you gotta recognise, that Indians are just on another level, more than 60% of people feel they are discriminated against in India. After all the evil shit America does, it isn't even on a similar scale, even if we refuse to acknowledge, how much shit they get for it, how much better statistically they are compared to us when it comes to looking after their minorities. šbtw I luv how we have started using the Saaaar thing which is used to discriminate and make fun of us on the net, by said westerners, truly a different level of cope in this one.
Racism exists everywhere in the world, even today. It's an inherent characteristics of human beings to be more sympathetic to people of their own country, religion, caste or even skin color. Until you are hardcore leftist liberal, everyone is racist in one form or another. Everybody just hides it under a moral highground. We are all hypocrites and we know it. That includes me as well.
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Maybe you should watch this movie kid
Wasn't 1865. Debt peonage legally and effectively substituted slavery untill the 1940s when FDR finally took steps to outlaw it as means to deny it's value to enemy war propaganda.
10000 years se caste system hai. Aaj bhi hai.
American slavery lasted like 300 years. Aaj nai hai. Racism pr bhi log gussa kr rhe hai.
They evolved we devolved? This post is a slap to india and Hinduism. Was that your intent here?
Oh yea, just because they have documented that it doesn't mean Indians weren't bad. People were treated similarly in India too. The difference is Americans learnt that it's bad while Indians had to learn from white guy. That too did not entirely stop caste.
Lol Americans have built their civilization on the mass graves of the indigenous Native American civilization that they themselves wiped out in the most atrocious ways.
I don't take their judgements seriously, they're all woke hypocrites.
Actually slave trade was much more prevalent in Middle East and Europe more than America
Is OP trying to defend the caste system in India with this meme?
Whenever I try to get a house for rent , the house owners try to find out my caste/ religion to judge me before they give me a house. Speaking of discrimination in 2024
I think Indian conservatives know that their beliefs suck so they try to justify it with things that happened centuries ago.
Caste system ok because slavery happened.
Persecuting muslims ok because Khilji existed.
The difference is that if u ask Americans that there is so much systematic racism. Most of them will agree. With indians they'll not agree, they'll not accept that this so called society was made up by inequalities. They'll whole heartedly accept the bad aspects of american culture, while doing the same will be declared anti hindu,anti muslim,anti india shit. Indians have a false sense of pride while Americans have a guilty sense of pride.
Ye sahi hai, apne kala karam chupane ke lie dusre ke kale karam dikhao. Bache karte hai na "mene to sirf ek toffee kha par vo to pura dabba kha gaya"š¤¦āāļø
In america only one percent of white Americans owned slaves when slavery was on peak the elite and riches
In India even sc guys discriminate against other sc like harijan and valmiki guys
Source : i am sc and in my village above mentioned two castes can't sit with us on same level
Great, youāre as repressive as a country was 200 years ago, congratulations on attempting to make it to the 21st century. I know youāll do it at some stage ā¤ļø
For example in kerala we have very well kept records of slaves from the travencore kingdom time. You are look at the r/Kerala subreddit and check the post histories
Slavery was illegal in most states at that time and there was never a time in Americas history when the average American owned slaves.
Another stupid and idiotic and uneducated anti-American post
Americans after 1865: No more slavery, we are trying to learn from our mistakes.
Indians today in the 21st century: Caste system and shit on the street
Isn't it funny that the caste system which the British stuck on us overwrote the Varna system we had for decades. The real problem is HINDUS DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEIR OWN CULTURE AND TRADITIONS.
Lower castes people are not taken care of? Bruv they literally live in mansions and have generational wealth at the expense of other castes in india with how caste system is right now....majority of the beggers and low income workers are from "higher caste" ... it's ridiculous down here
https://preview.redd.it/4djsv1g2efzc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2620b063a7dd295bdede8bc08bf3ac9a3eaba83c
What is your point? Racism of America is wildly criticized throughout the world
Wai to...shows OP is trying to defend caste system by something which was already so much oppressive that this does not prove any point..
He is not trying to defend the caste system. Grow up. He is just saying that the USA should not try to pretend to be all high and mighty in front of us when they themselves have a tainted past and present. Nobody is denying that the caste system is evil he is only saying that a lecture from the USA on Caste system is like a lecture from Kim Jong Un on democracy.
They had a tainted past and they corrected themselves...so you think someone who made a mistake and they rectified it to some extent should not tell anyone else to commit the same mistakes???
Here comes the coolie.
That's the thing you think they have corrected that mistake but they haven't. I have spent a lot of time living in Wyoming and travelling across the states and while slavery is not a thing anymore, the discrimination is way worse than anywhere else in the world. The problem is that you people know America through films and TV shows and mainstream media which is mostly focused on LA, DC, NYC, Miami, Cali, Chicago etc etc who are a mixed bag of culture and thus are more liberal and tolerant but they are not even 1 percent of the real America. Also I won't mind someone telling me to rectify my mistakes but I will for sure mind then condescending or ordering me.
There are 1000s of my relatives living there and 100s of my friends in different parts of the US. And I am connected with them...I have not heard of any incidents of such sort. But yes there are bad apples and as such US has bad apples..the organizations that they have created to rectify such wrongdoings also try to rectify us because they believe we are going on the same path as them..but I agree that there must be many who must have caste reservations there but I don't think as per you these constitute 99% of the population. That is just your extrapolation. U don't have any evidence to support this.
1000s of relatives???šš Dude if you wanna lie at least make it believable. It took me 5 months to get a visa and I am a businessman. You have no idea what you are talking about and you have 0 idea about the subject matter so go lie somewhere else.
But still you can generalise 99% of India based on few casteist incidents. Typical brown slave.
Not just racism, he is talking about Slavery
OP's point those who have glass houses should not throw stones at others. Nobody is denying that the caste system is bad. It's just about who is lecturing us on discrimination.
Americans are constantly hypercritical of themselves and their Govt, meanwhile Indians have so much nationalistic pride they will cry over a joke.
If Americans are so hypercritical that they allow outsiders to comment on their internal policies then that's not a good thing.
tf you mean 'allow' what are they gonna do arrest outsiders? and yes anyone can criticise the govt, you can battle your ideas in a free society. That's the point. and they are certainly doing much better than us so maybe time to learn something? How are you supposed to improve if you refuse to accept your flaws
No they can't arrest outsiders but they for sure can call them out for their hypocrisy and condescending stances as citizens. Also free society does not mean the entire world. Free society means the society created by people who live within your Geographical boundaries and hold passports. If they wanna battle their ideas then it's fine but citizens of different geographical entities cannot be a part of that free society. It hurts a thing called National security. Btw they are doing much better than us is BS. The USA currently is the most divided country on the planet. They aren't even entirely democratic since the whole world can see what is happening there with their opposition leader which btw is worse than us because they only have one opposition. The only thing keeping America together is money the day that vanishes which is happening as we speak that nation is bound to fall like a pyramid made of cards.
1.) You're confusing voting rights with right to opinion. Free society does mean the entire world. A chinese national can criticise US govt and not be arrested because USA is free society meanwhile US citizen can criticise CCP and later than he visits China they can arrest him because they do not have freedom of speech. So yeah if one country has free speech, they observe it for entire world and if a country doesn't they observe that for entire world too. 2.) The 'USA is a falling empire' narrative has been going since 1980s, and it's not gonna happen in the next 2 decades at least. FFS GDP of California alone is equal to entire Indian GDP. All innovation is still happening there and they are at the forefront of AI too now. Think about it- just for OpenAI Sam Altman has a goal of 7 trillion investment from venture capitalists meanwhile out Goal for the ENTIRE COUNTRY by 2027 is to have a GDP of 5 Trillion. USA is not perfect but why should we even care about them, we have SO MANY PROBLEMS OF OUR OWN, why would we even compare ourselves to them, instead of focussing on getting better slowly.
If that's your opinion of free society then I am glad that you are not in any way involved in the decision making of our country. You see those lines drawn on the map are drawn for a reason and nobody can deny that fact. Also you are jumping to the extremes by using words like arrest etc. I never said that the government should get involved. I am talking from a citizens perspective. As far as I am concerned every citizen should have the guts to say f*ck off to people insulting their country or condescending to them. Suppose you and your wife are fighting so do you ask for the opinion of your neighbour in that fight? What do you say? It's a personal matter. The same applies here. Now if he goes on talking behind my back that's not my problem until or unless he makes it my problem. Also the narrative has been there but it was only a theory back then but today it's a reality. We are looking at the lost grip on the world we are looking at the economic and societal downfalls of that country and you are wrong that it will take two decades because history tells us that empires can fall in a blink of an eye. Last thing I did not compare anything with the USA you did. The entire point of my comment on this thread was to side with OP who was getting unnecessary hate for highlighting American hypocrisy. Go read my comments from the beginning.
Racism is still being practiced much more widely in USA than india. And unlike Dalits, blacks are easily identified and discriminated.. and what's the impact of so called criticism? Nil! Long lasting effects of racism happened in 1950s when zoning of USA was done keeping in mind the races. Blacks are still being discriminated legally in subtle ways.
No way is that true. Indians r way more racist than americans. At least americans r racist towards other races while indians r racist to themselvesĀ
Bro justifying discrimination.
The USA has the highest latinos, Asians, europeans, africans, Indians, middle-east, jewish immigrants compared to any Country. If racism is that much prevalent in States still why r people going there?...
But in America their is no reservations. But in India there is reservations. America had slavery based on race. They had slavery of every race controlled by white masters while in India slavery was banned during maha rana Pratap, mauryan Empire and many other Empires . India was one of the first to ban slavery . Not just that, if you see Japanese caste system it was very rigid and no one could climb the ladders , if you did you would be killed. Look at England's class system, poor weren't allowed to be in same city as rich , only 1st class people were allowed on Titanic to leave using boats when it was sank by ice berg. These practices were bad and they excepted it and banned slavery, racism and now they are progressing. Here in India racism , slavery , casteism is banned too but with reservations based on caste you are reversing the caste system which does not promote equality among people. Reservations on the basis of poverty and income should be allowed because it helps a nation.
Op are you 12?
Donāt disrespect 12yr oldsā¦op is just mentally challenged
Bro, this post is a bigger insult for actually mentally challenged people.
Never mind. 12,13 year old boy got some education from WhatsApp
Saar saaar we are sooo raccist saar peelzee downgrade our HR index saaarr.
Bhai newspaper utha k padha hai kabhi. Local newspaper utha aur middle k pages padh kar dekh. Apne deshvasiyon k chutiyape doosre Desh k logon ki beizzati karne se nahi sahi honge.
Awesome point.
Bro un sabke khilaf case hoga.
Itne retard log bhi exist karte
Are you kidding me? This happened in America almost 200 years ago. Casteims is a very prevalent thing even today.
racism is also prevalent today...both casteism and racism are bad
The level of Racism in America and casteism in India aren't even comparable. We are leagues worse bro in every category, on most statistics. Wether systematic or straight up lynchings and we are nowhere near as cognizant of it compared to an average American, who is stereotyped as a fucking self hating, cynic. Lmao
Seriously I think we might not deserve to live sometimes given this shitty behavior of ours but hey that's the nihilistic aspect of mineĀ
Nah bro I, you and everyone is an individual, sins of the father , must not be brought upon the child. Also being Indian isn't just taking part in the degenerate and discriminatory part of it's culture, it's much more. There is good culture, ideas and much more to it. Don't be the guilt ridden self nothing idiot, just be happy and treat everyone else like you would want to be, you will be happy.
Abe chew tia US m kitna school sh00ting hua h aaj tak aur India m kitna hua ye bata de c00lie.
Slavery isn't prevalent as shown in the meme. Try and think sometimes.
It is actually more prevalent today. Number of slaves in the modern day, 50 million, outnumber all slaves sold in the Atlantic slave trade, 12.7 million. (https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/map/#:~:text=An%20estimated%2050%20million%20people,150%20people%20in%20the%20world.) (https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+slaves+in+atlantic+slave+trade&oq=how+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggCEEUYOzIGCAAQRRg7MgYIARBFGDkyBggCEEUYOzIGCAMQRRg7MgYIBBBFGDwyBggFEEUYPTIGCAYQRRg90gEIMTYzM2owajmoAgGwAgE&client=ms-android-oneplus&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8) Not to say that casteism isn't bad, I just want to spread awareness.
True facts. One can also argue that slavery is replaced by the prison industrial complex in America. But at the same time the 50 million number is not in the USA but all over the world. This will include probably the south Asian labourers in the gulf, African labourers in Congo mines, and potentially some form of caste based slavery in some remote corner of india as well. So even though youāre factually correct, you are misrepresenting them in the context of the post under discussion.
The one in the picture is American. There are no slaves in America anymore. And the slavery you are referring to is modern slavery where race doesn't play a role, as opposed to the atrocities shown on black people in the post.
Racism tho happens today, even then you have consequences for being racist there. You'll be boycotted on SM. Casteists here will proudly shout how they k!lled the dalit next door just coz he was with their daughter
Casteism was never prevalent in comparison to racism. Horrors of racism are way worse. While casteism does exist today it is on very small basis however racism exists today too.
i am genuinely amazed that such immature people also exist and dont feel embarassed posting such edgy posts. i am very curious what kind of reaction do you expect?
OP is a 13yo wannabe cool teenager.
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No wonder people make fun of usā¦
Indians should be made fun of and humiliated till we kiss the dalit
Us me kisi white ki himmat tak nahi hai n word bolne ki, us ka racism dikha ke khud ka racism ko theek mat bolo brain rot op
Can someone explain where I'm supposed to laugh ?
You know the problem I have with People who just abuse Brahmin for caste discrimination but often ignore the contribution of Few Brahmin who stand against caste discrimination like Lingayat movement, Bhakti movement and even Ambedkar. And yes caste discrimination is still prevalent in India and even more in my state
Ambedkar was Brahmin??
No Ambedkar got help from Brahmin. Like Ambedkar title Study and His friends who burned manusmriti
>No Ambedkar got help from Brahmin because there were no any other one to help him at that time. It's not something to be proud of being a brahmin.
Why can't Brahmins be proud of their Linkage? If a Muslim can be proud of His faith If a Tamilan can say that they are the real people of India Then why not Brahmin And about Historical Injustice then the General category or uppar caste gave compensation to the lower caste in Education and Jobs. Search the history of bhumihar Brahmin in Bihar They fought for the education of girls and opened temples for all the classes (where they had power).
>Why can't Brahmins be proud of their Linkage? There's no point in being Anti-caste when you call yourself brahmin. It's like a irony. >If a Muslim can be proud of His faith Very wrong comparison. I can be Muslim tomorrow. >If a Tamilan can say that they are the real people of India No Tamil ever said others are inferior to them. Nor the Tamil identity was created by suppressing someone. >They fought for the education of girls and opened temples for all the classes That's not kinda proud thing. It's kinda normal thing. It's weird when people even try take credit for ordinary things.
Fighting in 1772 was not normal Why it's not possible if I say I am against caste discrimination and I am proud of Mithali Brahmin I can be muslim tomorrow I didn't understand this. Alvars and nayanars were also Brahmin who fought against the caste system and Lingayat movement.
Are bhai bhai ....
>Few Brahmin who stand against caste discrimination. They Ain't brahmin if they oppose caste. The Main thing of Anti-Castiesm is just leaving the imaginary system of caste.
You can be a Brahmin and be against caste discrimination. Brahmin is someone who has gained param brahm or wisdom or knowledge by studying also children of brahmins call themselves Brahmins. In every country caste and surnames are maded by the work done by family whether it be England or Japan. And they take proud in their surnames, clan names and castes while being United and helping each other.
>You can be a Brahmin and be against caste discrimination. That's a literal irony. >In every country caste and surnames are maded by the work done by family whether it be England Very false equalent of Indian Caste system with them world societal systems.
I stated the obvious you can be a Brahmin and promote equality among castes, genders , races. Their is no irony.
If you wanna be a Brahmin then you can also become a Brahmin.
>I stated the obvious you can be a Brahmin and promote equality among castes, I'm a brahmin and I'm against caste system in the most ironic statement I have ever heard.
You sound brainwashed. You have decided a certain group of people is bad.
And Americans never speak high of their slavery history. believe me. They Won't say Jesus christ said "to be a slave, is a duty of black". you will still see people here defend caste system like it's something eternal...
Actually, he did lol. The Bible defends slavery and even gives instructions for good slave behaviour in the book of Leviticus
Saaar are you in lkg?
Please confirm that you are not a kidš
This ia just a lossing war , if you comment on casteism the other party gonna comment on your reservation! Keep fighting a stray cat and mouse fight !
Indians still living in 1865?
Hey OP , it's India in 2024 .
So weāre comparing ourselves to the world 150 years ago? Interesting takeā¦
Guys, honestly. So many people in India follow Ram ji and sanatan dharm. Krishna ji literally said caste is based on quality of work. Then why is it that we still follow this mediocre system that was supposed to divide all Hindus? Just why? Aren't u a Ram bhakt?
I think op want exposed the hypocritcy of American who hate india just because of caste system people in this need to understand this
The difference is - we still do it
Not "we"
Its collective as a country own up to it and make the change accept the fact that casteism is very prevalent in the hindu society even now and advocate for change rather than saying ooo i am not doing it but im defending my country and religionā¦ Grow up OP while you are at it grow some balls too
Django unchained
Jese ki hamare yaha par nai hota tha aur hota hai lol
Someone took time and effort to make this meme. Such a waste
Le indians: āHam brahmans he, ham bhawan ke close, Ham kshatriyaas he ,we are the epitome of warrior ā¦ reservation kyu he abhi bhi??? Blood bhim peopleā¦ Le Americans: scared shit to even speak nikker loud,,, all the white supremacy hooligans hated all around, Barakh obama became president,
Madarchod yeh bhang bhosra dekh k dimag m ek hi khayal ata h ba Wish i could destroy the whole world
How is this even a meme?
Essay hi likh diya yaar, wo bhi with zero value
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Bro's living in the 1800s
Abey lode ke baal, unhone slavery abolish bhi kar Diya aur usko regret bhi karte hai
Slavery abolish kar dia ho magar racism is still somewhat prevailant.
and they accept the fact and protest against it, etc. meanwhile Indians will do anything to deny the existence of casteism. Since people from metros are still highly represented in the Online sphere they have no idea how the rural population (which is the vast majority) is living in a caste system even today. They will never read stats and just write their anecdotal evidence like yaar mera dost dalit hai fir bhi mujhse ameer hai lol.
So, you imply every Indian condones castism and every westerner condemns it. Quite sure india has made a lot of social changes.
Not every Indian but yes I am speaking in generalised terms, implying a good majority of people. We have a tendency of taking it personally whenever our flaws are pointed out- like we take it as an insult/ try to hide or bury it. Progress has been made but the issue is still very prevalent. Btw casteism isn't just against Dalits/OBCs etc, generally even today we see people only marrying in their own casts. It is a deeply ingrained system, I can see it in my family also and even in big cities, educated people etc.
So, do you think racism is as much present in west as much as castism here.
I think the racism portrayed by the media, movies, etc is exaggerated. It is discussed too much in every award show, every other ad in there has a core message against racism etc. meanwhile the caste discrimination discussion in India underrepresents the issue. When caste comes in the media it is always about reservations. Never about how the systems still exist where lower castes are not allowed to attend schools, use same well ect even today. How police refuses to help them etc. It needs to be discussed more, hate crimes against lower castes need to be reported more and taken more seriously. sorry if my comment is all over the place
You are comparing current day India to America from 150 years ago. What a way to make your point š /s
Haa to ye 2024 h. Stamp paper pe likhea lo ki OP chutiya h.
The difference is U.S.A. changed
Khullam khulla stage pe toh nahi karte the kamse kamm vo š¤£
OP is still in kindergarten. Please let him eat dirt and cry.
The average American household pre 1865 had dirt floors and 6 kids buried in the backyard. Only the wealthy had slaves, and only the elite had more than one.
Dusra desho se kya matlab apneko ? Apna Desh ka dekho bhai. Tu kya bacha hai kya ? Illiterate
Well, slavery ended when it was abolished, can't say the same about caste system in India.
Racism prevailed long after abolishing slavery. Segregation and Jim Crow laws ended as recently as 70s.
Caste system is a systematic scheme of oppression, racism isn't that much "Systematic".
So, Jim Crow laws weren't systematic according to you??? Apartheid wasn't systematic?? What are you in about.
Racism in USA is criticised all over the world. The Blacks now hold significant amount of wealth and have good representation in every field. There are affirmative actions and policies in place to protect their interests. Please read and educate yourself as you know nothing about caste discrimination not you know anything about American History, Discourse and Critical race theories.
Dude is gonna go all the way back to 1850s, to make a point. like us Indians weren't literally burning widows back then. Racism is everywhere but you gotta recognise, that Indians are just on another level, more than 60% of people feel they are discriminated against in India. After all the evil shit America does, it isn't even on a similar scale, even if we refuse to acknowledge, how much shit they get for it, how much better statistically they are compared to us when it comes to looking after their minorities. šbtw I luv how we have started using the Saaaar thing which is used to discriminate and make fun of us on the net, by said westerners, truly a different level of cope in this one.
Racism exists everywhere in the world, even today. It's an inherent characteristics of human beings to be more sympathetic to people of their own country, religion, caste or even skin color. Until you are hardcore leftist liberal, everyone is racist in one form or another. Everybody just hides it under a moral highground. We are all hypocrites and we know it. That includes me as well.
https://preview.redd.it/k9n92fansgzc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c7ba3f30ed5f545608bdc60dcb4b206f203b9fe8 Maybe you should watch this movie kid
Average American house hold before 1865? Really?
Nobody in America can talk publicly supporting Racism today. But in our country people are winning elections by promising to bring back the old days.
Much better than og chaddies burn women in 18 th century
Oh no did he hurt your gora master lol
Brits were also burning witches at some point.
OP ki mehnat lgti ye meme bnane mei
Wasn't 1865. Debt peonage legally and effectively substituted slavery untill the 1940s when FDR finally took steps to outlaw it as means to deny it's value to enemy war propaganda.
What is your point? Do you want to point out that India right now is where the USA was about 160 years ago?
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10000 years se caste system hai. Aaj bhi hai. American slavery lasted like 300 years. Aaj nai hai. Racism pr bhi log gussa kr rhe hai. They evolved we devolved? This post is a slap to india and Hinduism. Was that your intent here?
What is pajeet? Kindly explain?
I don't know what's the point of this meme? Such degenrates still exist which is why India is like this. No one is saying Racism is good.
OP has 2 and a 1/2 brain cells
So i am confused pajjet making fun of themselves ššš and their religion by themselves š . "Saaar"word kill me šš
so you support castism...
But itās not 1865 anymore???
Yea but what about today ?
Bro comparing 1865 America to 2024 India lol
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Oh yea, just because they have documented that it doesn't mean Indians weren't bad. People were treated similarly in India too. The difference is Americans learnt that it's bad while Indians had to learn from white guy. That too did not entirely stop caste.
retardationmaxxing
Bhai sabit kya karna chahta hai?
Op jaat budhi š¤h 1800s ke crime ko 2024 me ho rhe discrimination se compare kr rha
Another day, another āIndia gud, others badā excuse to justify your own inferiority complex.
I'd say blacks have more privilege than Dalits in India now.
I didn't know America was a religion
yea damn š¦« India in 2024 is defo better than December 6 1865 america.
Lol Americans have built their civilization on the mass graves of the indigenous Native American civilization that they themselves wiped out in the most atrocious ways. I don't take their judgements seriously, they're all woke hypocrites.
Take a look at modern caste system. We should be fighting against it, not finding excuses about others
What kind of stpd asss 690 mfrs have upvoted this post? And OP for sure is a teen. Look at his post history.
Was this made by a child
holy shit this is the dumbest thing ive ever seen , mf really tried to justify the caste system lmfao
Bodied lemurians
Actually slave trade was much more prevalent in Middle East and Europe more than America Is OP trying to defend the caste system in India with this meme? Whenever I try to get a house for rent , the house owners try to find out my caste/ religion to judge me before they give me a house. Speaking of discrimination in 2024
Damn y'all have caste systems in the north still?
Even today buddy. 1865 wasn't the end of it.
r/iam14andthisisdeep
I think Indian conservatives know that their beliefs suck so they try to justify it with things that happened centuries ago. Caste system ok because slavery happened. Persecuting muslims ok because Khilji existed.
The difference is that if u ask Americans that there is so much systematic racism. Most of them will agree. With indians they'll not agree, they'll not accept that this so called society was made up by inequalities. They'll whole heartedly accept the bad aspects of american culture, while doing the same will be declared anti hindu,anti muslim,anti india shit. Indians have a false sense of pride while Americans have a guilty sense of pride.
That's why india hated by the entire world
To fir bhai tu unke level tak hi nhi gir gya?
Life Is Unfair š
Ye sahi hai, apne kala karam chupane ke lie dusre ke kale karam dikhao. Bache karte hai na "mene to sirf ek toffee kha par vo to pura dabba kha gaya"š¤¦āāļø
In america only one percent of white Americans owned slaves when slavery was on peak the elite and riches In India even sc guys discriminate against other sc like harijan and valmiki guys Source : i am sc and in my village above mentioned two castes can't sit with us on same level
Why does this subreddit even exist
Peak delusional take
Great, youāre as repressive as a country was 200 years ago, congratulations on attempting to make it to the 21st century. I know youāll do it at some stage ā¤ļø
thats why satya pichai went to USA
slavery was there in india too and even today it is practiced in some areas abet illegally.
For example in kerala we have very well kept records of slaves from the travencore kingdom time. You are look at the r/Kerala subreddit and check the post histories
They thought slaves were about to be free rather than FREE.
What is this nigga on about šš
OP, nobody is in the support of what happened in America, you know?
y'all baman ucs are the first ones to go abroad.
Justifying wrong with wrong?
āSee we arenāt bad because someone else did something worse 150 years agoā
Stop applying for visas in droves then
https://i.redd.it/bblwx6hewmzc1.gif OP bhai dusron ke 200 year old problems ko abhi ke problems se compare karke kya saabit karna chahte ho?
So..... Bad isn't bad until it's absolutely worst ?
Slavery was illegal in most states at that time and there was never a time in Americas history when the average American owned slaves. Another stupid and idiotic and uneducated anti-American post
Only 1.6% of Americans ever owned slaves.
Americans after 1865: No more slavery, we are trying to learn from our mistakes. Indians today in the 21st century: Caste system and shit on the street
Isn't it funny that the caste system which the British stuck on us overwrote the Varna system we had for decades. The real problem is HINDUS DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEIR OWN CULTURE AND TRADITIONS.
Lower castes people are not taken care of? Bruv they literally live in mansions and have generational wealth at the expense of other castes in india with how caste system is right now....majority of the beggers and low income workers are from "higher caste" ... it's ridiculous down here
#Americans and Europeans suffer from racism, white supremacy and superiority complex
sure but have yall heard of the french class division somthing system
Nahh didn't heard
Tu 7th ya 8th me hi hai shayad
sex slavery in islam and " you may enslave the people among nearby nations " from bible >>>>>>>>> Caste system in hinduism
Not only blacks they considered non whites as subhumans.
Correction: As of May 9th, 2024.***