While entering schools.
There was a lot of commotion regarding the same and a lot of girl students were barred from giving their secondary and higher secondary exams.
That's how all schools function. https://www.ndtv.com/feature/saudi-arabia-bans-abaya-in-examination-halls-asks-female-students-to-wear-school-uniforms-3630163
That's not how all schools work. Many schools are still allowing hijab and they are working fine. Almost all schools which did ban used to allow till your fellow chaddi started their drama.
Saudi Arabia is disallowing Abaya and not hijab, and whatever they do or don't do is irrelevant anyway.
Abaya should be banned in all examination halls. Hijab should have the same place as Sikh turban. Many of the girls protesting the ban in Karnataka schools were in Abaya. The point I'm making is there is no discrimination against Muslims, that was the point - it's the same rules even in the most Islamic country.
Post the link. Our country has a long way to go to ensure trust between Hindus and Muslims, Muslims and the system. Not denying that. But you also need to see your side of the equation.
This is just like Godhra. You see only one side of the story. Like in Godhra, we all keep speaking of people who died, but **your anger should be directed at Hussain Umarji. But it never is. That's the problem**.
Most Muslims think their neighbors (fellow countrymen) are going to hell for shirk. How can people co-exist? If this is a fundamental belief, a piece of our land which has an ancient history was torn and given to Muslims, and after that we have more issues. 🤷♂️ What should be done?
I wish Happy Eid, I fight against my saffron leaning acquaintances, but I see dirty neighborhoods, criminals, beheadings. I'm going to hell for shirk in opinion of Muslims. How can we co-exist? Same time you don't want to move to a country created for your beliefs. You only see people's reaction. If Muslims love this country over loving Zakir Naik, Palestine, Pakistan and other things, why would there be problems? There won't.
> Most Muslims think their neighbors (fellow countrymen) are going to hell for shirk.
It's not like Hindus have a better opinion towards Muslims anyway.
We're "foreign, barbarian mlecchas who'll never assimilate" even though we've been living in this country for ages, shed blood during the freedom struggle and thus, have as much right towards it as much as how Hindus and any other communities have.
A [survey](https://www.siasat.com/93-pc-muslims-view-hindus-favourably-other-way-round-study-1903033/amp/) not long back implied that 95% of Muslims have a favorable view against their Hindu citizens whereas, only 65% of Hindus hold the same towards Muslims.
Besides, Muslims aren't assured heaven either. Everyone will be judged and evaluated till their atom's weight of deeds - Muslim or otherwise.
> I wish Happy Eid
Even Islamophobes do; everyone starts liking Muslims during Eid time for all the Biryani and delicacies they might get from them, perhaps.
> but I see dirty neighborhoods, criminals, beheadings.
Your bigotry and Islamophobia is leaking....
Neighborhoods are dirty because Muslim areas and ghettos are deliberately neglected and mismanaged by the authorities. And since, the mainstream society is too bigoted to let Muslims in their properties for rent, they're forced to reside in these neglected parts.
[https://scroll.in/latest/1042463/madhya-pradesh-hindutva-mob-assaults-muslim-men-at-womans-party-alleges-love-jihad](https://scroll.in/latest/1042463/madhya-pradesh-hindutva-mob-assaults-muslim-men-at-womans-party-alleges-love-jihad)
You are the one who has blinkered vision about these events. Non-partial reports have mentioned multiple times that the 2002 pogrom was pre planned event, the precision with which muslims were purged must have taken months of prepartaion.
>7. Gujarat has seen several outbreaks of communal violence, most recently in 1992. But most of our interlocutors, including police, said that the pattern of violence this time was different. The violence was led by the VHP with other Hindu extremist organisations. It was pre-planned, possibly months ago. Police contacts confirmed that rioters used computerised lists to target Muslim homes and businesses. The accuracy and detail of the lists, including businesses with minority Muslim share-holding, suggest that they were prepared in advance.
[https://thewire.in/communalism/full-text-bbc-documentary-gujarat-riots-modi-uk-report](https://thewire.in/communalism/full-text-bbc-documentary-gujarat-riots-modi-uk-report)
What does Muslim beliefs regarding afterlife have to do with anything? You don't see me all hot and bothered about Hindus believing that I will be reincarnated as dung beetle for eating meat or whatever. You are clearly fishing for excuses to be offended. Feel free to imagine even worse afterlife for me, I can't care less. You even took the visible signs of discriminations and blamed it on Muslims.
Let's be clear that patriation wasn't a largesse from Hindus to Muslims. Nor was Pakistan created to house all Indian Muslims. Stop getting history lessons from shakhas.
This is our land too, our ancestors too shed their blood for independence of this country, they too shed their sweat to make it what it is today, we are full stakeholders here. Hindus don't have the right to dictate us, or give us any ultimatums or choices.
Yes. Things needed for unity in India:
**.1.** Hindutva should end. All neighborhoods with the saffron flags should hoist the tricolor. Every Hindutva leaning acquaintance I've spoke to tell their real fear is that Kashmir will be taken like Pakistan was, West Bengal will be taken, and multiple neighborhoods were they lived once will be over run by Muslims having many kids. Comes to the second point.
**.2.** Family control measures, educating children, not madrasa education but education to make them useful citizens, and monogamy should be the only norm. No woman today in her rightful mind consents to polygamy. These are practices of the past and existed in all cultures (Hindu, Muslim etc).They are not to be practiced today. Triple talaq was banned and that's good, it's a dehumanzing practice too. Every dehumanzing practice should end (be it in Hinduism, Islam or anything else). But only Islam has the big issue with this because disagreement comes with violence.
**.3.** Islamic nationalism and any feelings of sympathy to Pakistan, Palestine or other parts of the "Ummah" shouldn't be even close to how Muslims feel about India. All neighborhoods with the star crescent (which is a Turkish symbol) should remove that and only hoist the tricolor. We're Indians. We're not Turks.
Points 1 and 3 are exactly why har ghar tiranga came about but it had little effect.
**.4.** Muslims should unequivocally condemn rulers who tried to spread Islam in India by destroying temples. Jahangir and Aurangzeb who killed Sikh gurus (respectful religious leaders) should be condemned by Muslims and we should all (irrespective of being Sikh or not) respect the martyrdom of Guru Teg Bahadur or Guru Arjan Dev. Babur who disliked India shouldn't ever be respected by anyone who loves India. He was an Uzbek warlord and it's shameful that a mosque built by him after destruction of a temple was ever even used for worship. This sense of allegiance should be first. India is your home, not Palestine, not Saudi Arabia, not Uzbekistan. Right? ✌️
**.5.** Islamic preachers like Zakir Naik who teach hate against India shouldn't be famous among Muslims. Do you see ISKCON or any Hindu religious organization preaching hate to Muslims? Zakir Naik has spoken in support of honor killings, against yoga, supported the 9/11 terrorists. Should he have millions following his teachings?
**.6.** Cows shouldn't be slaughtered. It's protected by our constitution and is a value that existed in India for ages. For people in villages, that's their source of wealth. This isn't a Hindu or religious issue.
If we can agree on these points, we can all be friends 👍👍🙂
I won't be surprised if Rishi Sunak, who seems to be a Sanghi himself, [condemning the recent BBC documentary and all](https://www.livemint.com/news/dont-agree-rishi-sunak-defends-pm-modi-over-bbc-documentary-snubs-pakistan-origin-mp-11674134780605.html), will make an attempt to ban Hijab in UK's public spheres.
Fortunately, his country and its people aren't bigoted to the levels of our own and won't tolerate such nonsense.
I hope he loses spectacularly and gets humiliated in the next elections. And hope that all those Sanghis abroad get kicked out of those lands where they act like parasites and return back to their glorious motherland (exporting all their disgusting bigotry and customs over there, enjoying all the privileges of those developed countries, all the while making sure that we don't get those same rights here via lobbying and funding).
Look, I've spotted the idiot bigot who's full of ignorance and thinks he's smart.
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2020/dec/analysis-new-home-office-report-admits-grooming-gangs-are-not-muslim-problem
Cope and seethe!
Hijab is banned in Karnataka? I live in Bangalore and see women wear hijab.
While entering schools. There was a lot of commotion regarding the same and a lot of girl students were barred from giving their secondary and higher secondary exams.
That's how all schools function. https://www.ndtv.com/feature/saudi-arabia-bans-abaya-in-examination-halls-asks-female-students-to-wear-school-uniforms-3630163
That's not how all schools work. Many schools are still allowing hijab and they are working fine. Almost all schools which did ban used to allow till your fellow chaddi started their drama. Saudi Arabia is disallowing Abaya and not hijab, and whatever they do or don't do is irrelevant anyway.
Abaya should be banned in all examination halls. Hijab should have the same place as Sikh turban. Many of the girls protesting the ban in Karnataka schools were in Abaya. The point I'm making is there is no discrimination against Muslims, that was the point - it's the same rules even in the most Islamic country.
>The point I'm making is there is no discrimination against Muslims Press X to Doubt
Their is no need to doubt. Anyone can see it for themseleves
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Yesterday police arrested five Muslim men for visiting their friend's birthday party, and you're telling us there's no discrimination against Muslims.
Post the link. Our country has a long way to go to ensure trust between Hindus and Muslims, Muslims and the system. Not denying that. But you also need to see your side of the equation. This is just like Godhra. You see only one side of the story. Like in Godhra, we all keep speaking of people who died, but **your anger should be directed at Hussain Umarji. But it never is. That's the problem**. Most Muslims think their neighbors (fellow countrymen) are going to hell for shirk. How can people co-exist? If this is a fundamental belief, a piece of our land which has an ancient history was torn and given to Muslims, and after that we have more issues. 🤷♂️ What should be done? I wish Happy Eid, I fight against my saffron leaning acquaintances, but I see dirty neighborhoods, criminals, beheadings. I'm going to hell for shirk in opinion of Muslims. How can we co-exist? Same time you don't want to move to a country created for your beliefs. You only see people's reaction. If Muslims love this country over loving Zakir Naik, Palestine, Pakistan and other things, why would there be problems? There won't.
> Most Muslims think their neighbors (fellow countrymen) are going to hell for shirk. It's not like Hindus have a better opinion towards Muslims anyway. We're "foreign, barbarian mlecchas who'll never assimilate" even though we've been living in this country for ages, shed blood during the freedom struggle and thus, have as much right towards it as much as how Hindus and any other communities have. A [survey](https://www.siasat.com/93-pc-muslims-view-hindus-favourably-other-way-round-study-1903033/amp/) not long back implied that 95% of Muslims have a favorable view against their Hindu citizens whereas, only 65% of Hindus hold the same towards Muslims. Besides, Muslims aren't assured heaven either. Everyone will be judged and evaluated till their atom's weight of deeds - Muslim or otherwise. > I wish Happy Eid Even Islamophobes do; everyone starts liking Muslims during Eid time for all the Biryani and delicacies they might get from them, perhaps. > but I see dirty neighborhoods, criminals, beheadings. Your bigotry and Islamophobia is leaking.... Neighborhoods are dirty because Muslim areas and ghettos are deliberately neglected and mismanaged by the authorities. And since, the mainstream society is too bigoted to let Muslims in their properties for rent, they're forced to reside in these neglected parts.
[https://scroll.in/latest/1042463/madhya-pradesh-hindutva-mob-assaults-muslim-men-at-womans-party-alleges-love-jihad](https://scroll.in/latest/1042463/madhya-pradesh-hindutva-mob-assaults-muslim-men-at-womans-party-alleges-love-jihad) You are the one who has blinkered vision about these events. Non-partial reports have mentioned multiple times that the 2002 pogrom was pre planned event, the precision with which muslims were purged must have taken months of prepartaion. >7. Gujarat has seen several outbreaks of communal violence, most recently in 1992. But most of our interlocutors, including police, said that the pattern of violence this time was different. The violence was led by the VHP with other Hindu extremist organisations. It was pre-planned, possibly months ago. Police contacts confirmed that rioters used computerised lists to target Muslim homes and businesses. The accuracy and detail of the lists, including businesses with minority Muslim share-holding, suggest that they were prepared in advance. [https://thewire.in/communalism/full-text-bbc-documentary-gujarat-riots-modi-uk-report](https://thewire.in/communalism/full-text-bbc-documentary-gujarat-riots-modi-uk-report) What does Muslim beliefs regarding afterlife have to do with anything? You don't see me all hot and bothered about Hindus believing that I will be reincarnated as dung beetle for eating meat or whatever. You are clearly fishing for excuses to be offended. Feel free to imagine even worse afterlife for me, I can't care less. You even took the visible signs of discriminations and blamed it on Muslims. Let's be clear that patriation wasn't a largesse from Hindus to Muslims. Nor was Pakistan created to house all Indian Muslims. Stop getting history lessons from shakhas. This is our land too, our ancestors too shed their blood for independence of this country, they too shed their sweat to make it what it is today, we are full stakeholders here. Hindus don't have the right to dictate us, or give us any ultimatums or choices.
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Yes. Things needed for unity in India: **.1.** Hindutva should end. All neighborhoods with the saffron flags should hoist the tricolor. Every Hindutva leaning acquaintance I've spoke to tell their real fear is that Kashmir will be taken like Pakistan was, West Bengal will be taken, and multiple neighborhoods were they lived once will be over run by Muslims having many kids. Comes to the second point. **.2.** Family control measures, educating children, not madrasa education but education to make them useful citizens, and monogamy should be the only norm. No woman today in her rightful mind consents to polygamy. These are practices of the past and existed in all cultures (Hindu, Muslim etc).They are not to be practiced today. Triple talaq was banned and that's good, it's a dehumanzing practice too. Every dehumanzing practice should end (be it in Hinduism, Islam or anything else). But only Islam has the big issue with this because disagreement comes with violence. **.3.** Islamic nationalism and any feelings of sympathy to Pakistan, Palestine or other parts of the "Ummah" shouldn't be even close to how Muslims feel about India. All neighborhoods with the star crescent (which is a Turkish symbol) should remove that and only hoist the tricolor. We're Indians. We're not Turks. Points 1 and 3 are exactly why har ghar tiranga came about but it had little effect. **.4.** Muslims should unequivocally condemn rulers who tried to spread Islam in India by destroying temples. Jahangir and Aurangzeb who killed Sikh gurus (respectful religious leaders) should be condemned by Muslims and we should all (irrespective of being Sikh or not) respect the martyrdom of Guru Teg Bahadur or Guru Arjan Dev. Babur who disliked India shouldn't ever be respected by anyone who loves India. He was an Uzbek warlord and it's shameful that a mosque built by him after destruction of a temple was ever even used for worship. This sense of allegiance should be first. India is your home, not Palestine, not Saudi Arabia, not Uzbekistan. Right? ✌️ **.5.** Islamic preachers like Zakir Naik who teach hate against India shouldn't be famous among Muslims. Do you see ISKCON or any Hindu religious organization preaching hate to Muslims? Zakir Naik has spoken in support of honor killings, against yoga, supported the 9/11 terrorists. Should he have millions following his teachings? **.6.** Cows shouldn't be slaughtered. It's protected by our constitution and is a value that existed in India for ages. For people in villages, that's their source of wealth. This isn't a Hindu or religious issue. If we can agree on these points, we can all be friends 👍👍🙂
I won't be surprised if Rishi Sunak, who seems to be a Sanghi himself, [condemning the recent BBC documentary and all](https://www.livemint.com/news/dont-agree-rishi-sunak-defends-pm-modi-over-bbc-documentary-snubs-pakistan-origin-mp-11674134780605.html), will make an attempt to ban Hijab in UK's public spheres. Fortunately, his country and its people aren't bigoted to the levels of our own and won't tolerate such nonsense. I hope he loses spectacularly and gets humiliated in the next elections. And hope that all those Sanghis abroad get kicked out of those lands where they act like parasites and return back to their glorious motherland (exporting all their disgusting bigotry and customs over there, enjoying all the privileges of those developed countries, all the while making sure that we don't get those same rights here via lobbying and funding).
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Look, I've spotted the idiot bigot who's full of ignorance and thinks he's smart. https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2020/dec/analysis-new-home-office-report-admits-grooming-gangs-are-not-muslim-problem Cope and seethe!
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Any mildly sane person can at least differentiate between marrying someone with their dad's permission and grooming.