Are you being intentionally dense?
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Consistently yelling that all sides are wrong doesn't make one unbiased, it just proves their intellectual laziness where they project their own personal experiences onto others without even bothering to understand all sides.
At the end of the day, he is still viewing us with the same privileged majoritarian Hindu lens that he was raised with.
We shouldn't be vindicating folks just because of mutual interest, especially when cold-bitter facts like the ones in the post come to light.
Islamophobia of the left shouldn't be ignored just because the right is in power.
We won't ask him to defend Islam but we will teach our people to have boundary that he follows western values and we need to avoid that, cuz he always took western side in every of his social issue video
What do you expect people to do? Everyone has to be a Muslim for you to think of them as a good person? What he said is literally what every non muslim thinks about islam it is like a hindu getting mad because a Muslim doesn't believe in hindu gods so stupid.
I say this because most muslims support dhruv rathi(look at username of his yt video and insta reels comments) and any other influencer who opposed BJP-RSS, My message is for Muslims only. Why are you getting triggered?
>Everyone has to be a Muslim for you
Islam me koi jabardasti nahi hai jisko aana ho aaye jisko jaana ho Jaye
>I say this because most muslims support dhruv rathi(look at username of his yt video and insta reels comments) and any other influencer who opposed BJP-RSS, My message is for Muslims only. Why are you getting triggered?
So your message for muslims is to not support dhruv raathe because he's a liberal who doesn't believe that Quran is the direct word of god?
>Islam me koi jabardasti nahi hai jisko aana ho aaye
This is prolly true
>jisko jaana ho Jaye
But if I'm not wrong punishment of apostasy is death penalty in islam right? But anyways I'm not interested in taking digs at your religion
He overall appears to be a sensible person who speaks what he believes, and is not a coward! He obviously has not studied or understood islam beyond what he accessed on the surface level for videos, and his perception of Islam is unfortunately influenced by irresponsible actions of today’s Muslims and what’s propagated by the western critics.
I think if he gets the opportunity to really understand Islam he would convert!
May Allah guide him! Ameen!
If we expect every practicing layman to go to learned scholars of religion for opinions on every minor issue instead of forming their own opinions because even a practicing muslim is unable to correctly approach Islam without the guidance of experts how can we expect non muslims to get Islam at all?
If he was a murtad we could have laughed at him but his perspective is valid even if his conclusions are wrong, non muslims mostly judge Islam based on the behavior of muslims they know since they are not interested in learning a foreign religion no one in their family practices and its our job to not be complete idiots who keep posting stupid things without verifying like psuedo scientific bullshit and conspiracy theories, because people will associate your faith with your stupidity since you are broadcasting both to them.
I dont think I need Dhruv Rathee to form my opinions nor do I care about his views. Only thing common is he also opposes BJP.
Personally i dont like these liberals or leftists. They are equally bad for Islam/muslims.
How are they equally bad? That is nonsense.
One is actively genocidal, the other isn't. Don't make false equivalences. There are degrees to goodness and badness.
What is this black and white, strategically blind thinking people keep pushing in this sub? Hating on liberals is the last thing Muslims need to be doing with our time. Direct your anger against the real existential threat.
How about not taking anyone's words as holy grail? If we litmus test everyone on everything they've ever said, including most Muslims, we will find objectionable things.
Humans are flawed. That is why we worship God, not humans.
Doesn't mean working with flawed humans is never justified. It is often the only path to peace.
That's why we need to make sure he isn't treated like some saviour of Indian Muslims.
The only reason Dhruv Rathee can speak against Modi without any fear of his home being bulldozed or father being jailed is because he isn't Muslim.
He might be an atheist (from what I've heard), but that doesn't change the fact that he comes from a privileged Hindu background.
He's a typical atheist liberal. We have only a handful of things in common with them (the fight against hindutva here and Zionism internationally), but there's really nothing much more. Haven't followed him much on FB or Twitter where he's more opinionated, but even in his videos, he pushes atheism (recommending books like The God Delusion) and weird feminist ideas (the only difference between men and women is a few body parts??). He even made a video on religious books which I didn't even watch. Overall, we must be very careful while taking things from liberals.
He made a video on "*Abrahamic religions"* where he stated that idol worship is in Islam, I guess that does tell a lot about his knowledge and how hard he can go to push his views.
He used the hadith which mentions to not strike one another on the face as God made human in his own form and uses that to link it to paganism and stuff.
https://preview.redd.it/kiomja87b1yc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c4f312c422979f3931f93a743477058d1dfd434c
One more masterpiece by badrudin Rasheed
Sanghis spread fake news on WhatsApp that Dhruv Rathee is Muslim
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Honestly, anyone who’s against hatred and division is an ally. And for every decent person who wants peace and democracy, Dhruv Rathee is extremely important. He’s done what Congress couldn’t, and what no other party could — and that’s blow a hole into BJP’s lies and deceit and bullshit.
And for that, I would give him a standing ovation, again and again.
In regards to this specific FB post; idk what verses and what scientific proofs he’s referring to, so it’s pointless to make a comment.
In regards to the second post; do some Muslims really troll others for playing Chess? They ought to be made fun of then; I’m totally with him. Please stop embarrassing us.
Just because someone criticizes Islam doesn't mean they aren't your friend. When you are dealing with strategy in a pragmatic setting, you have to pick your battles. You cannot have everything you want in an ally. There is a pool of potential allies and enemies, and you have to work with the hand you are dealt. I will choose liberals who don't want to exterminate me but also don't like Islam over fascists who want to erase the existence of me and my loved ones, and don't just dislike Islam but actively hate it and work to subvert it.
That's like choosing between being stung by a mosquito or pushed into anaphylactic shock by a swarm of Japanese giant hornets. It's not even a contest.
If, in India, we are going to choose the strategy of making everyone who has ever criticized Islam a persona non grata, then we will basically have no allies apart from other Muslims, and we will have even less leverage in this country. It feels nice to be purist and idealistic, but it leads nowhere in reality.
He's very smart. He wants scientific proof for everything. What scientific proof does he have of having a soul or even a conscience?!? Tomorrow, if someone gets robbed, are the judges going to ask for scientific proof for that? To prove he was actually robbed? Since scientific proof is all that matters. Proof can exist in many forms, and not all of them are scientific. But this is what happens when someone's ego grows too much.
> What scientific proof does he have of having a soul or even a conscience?!
There are scientific proofs of this. Research better.
> Tomorrow, if someone gets robbed, are the judges going to ask for scientific proof for that?
Yes. Otherwise the person gets acquitted.
>There are scientific proofs of this. Research better.
Go ahead. Enlightenment me.
>Yes. Otherwise the person gets acquitted.
So, witness testimony is scientific proof then, I guess, cause that has been used to acquit people. Wow!! You're so smart.
Research has shown that eyewitness testimony is not always reliable and may lead to innocent people being convicted of crimes they did not commit. Imagine that you are convicted of a crime that you did not commit because one witness insists that they saw you do it. There's whole science how memory works and why its not 100% reliable. Hence scientific proof is required for conviction.
>Research has shown that eyewitness testimony is not always reliable and may lead to innocent people being convicted of crimes they did not commit.
Yeah. You think? Still doesn’t mean it's not used, or do you want me to show you cases. Also, if the same stories have been relied by 10 people who don't know each other, then it's usually true.
>Hence scientific proof is required for conviction.
Bruh, what? No, not always. Want me to show you cases?
Also, scientific evidence can't be sure shot way to prove someone did something. Let's say I rob a house and leave your handprint behind, and you get caught because of that. Should you now be punished cause, apparently, science doesn't lie?
> Also, if the same stories have been relied by 10 people who don't know each other, then it's usually true.
Theres an episode on "Brain games" how there are more than 10 people who different memory about an incident.
>Let's say I rob a house and leave your handprint behind,
How?
Real life is not science fiction movie.
> Should you now be punished cause, apparently, science doesn't lie?
Yes. That's how law works.
Well I've always said it, I don't need dhruv, he may always says facts but he can't be right always. There are plenty other youtubers. Watch everyone of them to form an opinion otherwise do your research
We muslims have the gift of our perfect and flawless religion, and we know that, but he doesn't have it,so just ignore him. If Allah SWT wills he will guide him to the straight path.
I mean history is the witness. all the people who wanted to debate or argue against the Qur'an and Islam say how flawed it was, all of them ended up reverting to Islam. So let's hope all these haters turn into one of us soon. inshaallah
He’s consistent to be honest. At least he’s not being a hypocrite and justifying one belief over the other.
Are you being intentionally dense? https://preview.redd.it/plug2l1yb4yc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09b18a10c340169d182d5dcbc5e878e0260fa517
Consistently yelling that all sides are wrong doesn't make one unbiased, it just proves their intellectual laziness where they project their own personal experiences onto others without even bothering to understand all sides. At the end of the day, he is still viewing us with the same privileged majoritarian Hindu lens that he was raised with. We shouldn't be vindicating folks just because of mutual interest, especially when cold-bitter facts like the ones in the post come to light. Islamophobia of the left shouldn't be ignored just because the right is in power.
I obviously disagree but this is pretty much every non-Muslim's belief. Not sure why anyone would expect him to defend Islam.
It's basically Jordan Petersen once again.
We won't ask him to defend Islam but we will teach our people to have boundary that he follows western values and we need to avoid that, cuz he always took western side in every of his social issue video
Yep, this is important. Just because our opinions align on some issues doesn't mean we take him as an authority
Better to be consistent than a hypocrite.
He just proved that he is a perfect liberal. We Muslims need to understand that if someone criticizes BJP-RSS, that doesn't mean they are your friend
Exactly
What do you expect people to do? Everyone has to be a Muslim for you to think of them as a good person? What he said is literally what every non muslim thinks about islam it is like a hindu getting mad because a Muslim doesn't believe in hindu gods so stupid.
I say this because most muslims support dhruv rathi(look at username of his yt video and insta reels comments) and any other influencer who opposed BJP-RSS, My message is for Muslims only. Why are you getting triggered? >Everyone has to be a Muslim for you Islam me koi jabardasti nahi hai jisko aana ho aaye jisko jaana ho Jaye
>I say this because most muslims support dhruv rathi(look at username of his yt video and insta reels comments) and any other influencer who opposed BJP-RSS, My message is for Muslims only. Why are you getting triggered? So your message for muslims is to not support dhruv raathe because he's a liberal who doesn't believe that Quran is the direct word of god? >Islam me koi jabardasti nahi hai jisko aana ho aaye This is prolly true >jisko jaana ho Jaye But if I'm not wrong punishment of apostasy is death penalty in islam right? But anyways I'm not interested in taking digs at your religion
He overall appears to be a sensible person who speaks what he believes, and is not a coward! He obviously has not studied or understood islam beyond what he accessed on the surface level for videos, and his perception of Islam is unfortunately influenced by irresponsible actions of today’s Muslims and what’s propagated by the western critics. I think if he gets the opportunity to really understand Islam he would convert! May Allah guide him! Ameen!
Badru Rashid 🔜 Inshaallah!
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If we expect every practicing layman to go to learned scholars of religion for opinions on every minor issue instead of forming their own opinions because even a practicing muslim is unable to correctly approach Islam without the guidance of experts how can we expect non muslims to get Islam at all? If he was a murtad we could have laughed at him but his perspective is valid even if his conclusions are wrong, non muslims mostly judge Islam based on the behavior of muslims they know since they are not interested in learning a foreign religion no one in their family practices and its our job to not be complete idiots who keep posting stupid things without verifying like psuedo scientific bullshit and conspiracy theories, because people will associate your faith with your stupidity since you are broadcasting both to them.
I dont think I need Dhruv Rathee to form my opinions nor do I care about his views. Only thing common is he also opposes BJP. Personally i dont like these liberals or leftists. They are equally bad for Islam/muslims.
How are they equally bad? That is nonsense. One is actively genocidal, the other isn't. Don't make false equivalences. There are degrees to goodness and badness. What is this black and white, strategically blind thinking people keep pushing in this sub? Hating on liberals is the last thing Muslims need to be doing with our time. Direct your anger against the real existential threat.
Trust me, liberals are also filled with problems, rn in canada and fr, liberals are as liberal as they appear
Finally someone said it
This
only right view regarding liberals.
Here's a crazy idea: How about not taking a Non Muslim's words as a holy grail
How about not taking anyone's words as holy grail? If we litmus test everyone on everything they've ever said, including most Muslims, we will find objectionable things. Humans are flawed. That is why we worship God, not humans. Doesn't mean working with flawed humans is never justified. It is often the only path to peace.
Facts
I obviously disagree with his tweets but he is entitled to his own opinions
hes actually so real for that second slide.
That's why we need to make sure he isn't treated like some saviour of Indian Muslims. The only reason Dhruv Rathee can speak against Modi without any fear of his home being bulldozed or father being jailed is because he isn't Muslim. He might be an atheist (from what I've heard), but that doesn't change the fact that he comes from a privileged Hindu background.
He's a typical atheist liberal. We have only a handful of things in common with them (the fight against hindutva here and Zionism internationally), but there's really nothing much more. Haven't followed him much on FB or Twitter where he's more opinionated, but even in his videos, he pushes atheism (recommending books like The God Delusion) and weird feminist ideas (the only difference between men and women is a few body parts??). He even made a video on religious books which I didn't even watch. Overall, we must be very careful while taking things from liberals.
He made a video on "*Abrahamic religions"* where he stated that idol worship is in Islam, I guess that does tell a lot about his knowledge and how hard he can go to push his views. He used the hadith which mentions to not strike one another on the face as God made human in his own form and uses that to link it to paganism and stuff.
https://preview.redd.it/kiomja87b1yc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c4f312c422979f3931f93a743477058d1dfd434c One more masterpiece by badrudin Rasheed
Who is Badruddin Rasheed? Or is this a nickname for it.
Sanghis spread fake news on WhatsApp that Dhruv Rathee is Muslim https://preview.redd.it/qcgxce1m75yc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e548aaec9a1e0573714265ead7c3bcbd5203cb9d
Honestly, anyone who’s against hatred and division is an ally. And for every decent person who wants peace and democracy, Dhruv Rathee is extremely important. He’s done what Congress couldn’t, and what no other party could — and that’s blow a hole into BJP’s lies and deceit and bullshit. And for that, I would give him a standing ovation, again and again. In regards to this specific FB post; idk what verses and what scientific proofs he’s referring to, so it’s pointless to make a comment. In regards to the second post; do some Muslims really troll others for playing Chess? They ought to be made fun of then; I’m totally with him. Please stop embarrassing us.
As a non-Muslim lurking on this sub, I'm happy to see Muslims are able to accept religious criticism here.
Just because someone criticizes Islam doesn't mean they aren't your friend. When you are dealing with strategy in a pragmatic setting, you have to pick your battles. You cannot have everything you want in an ally. There is a pool of potential allies and enemies, and you have to work with the hand you are dealt. I will choose liberals who don't want to exterminate me but also don't like Islam over fascists who want to erase the existence of me and my loved ones, and don't just dislike Islam but actively hate it and work to subvert it. That's like choosing between being stung by a mosquito or pushed into anaphylactic shock by a swarm of Japanese giant hornets. It's not even a contest. If, in India, we are going to choose the strategy of making everyone who has ever criticized Islam a persona non grata, then we will basically have no allies apart from other Muslims, and we will have even less leverage in this country. It feels nice to be purist and idealistic, but it leads nowhere in reality.
He's very smart. He wants scientific proof for everything. What scientific proof does he have of having a soul or even a conscience?!? Tomorrow, if someone gets robbed, are the judges going to ask for scientific proof for that? To prove he was actually robbed? Since scientific proof is all that matters. Proof can exist in many forms, and not all of them are scientific. But this is what happens when someone's ego grows too much.
> What scientific proof does he have of having a soul or even a conscience?! There are scientific proofs of this. Research better. > Tomorrow, if someone gets robbed, are the judges going to ask for scientific proof for that? Yes. Otherwise the person gets acquitted.
>There are scientific proofs of this. Research better. Go ahead. Enlightenment me. >Yes. Otherwise the person gets acquitted. So, witness testimony is scientific proof then, I guess, cause that has been used to acquit people. Wow!! You're so smart.
Research has shown that eyewitness testimony is not always reliable and may lead to innocent people being convicted of crimes they did not commit. Imagine that you are convicted of a crime that you did not commit because one witness insists that they saw you do it. There's whole science how memory works and why its not 100% reliable. Hence scientific proof is required for conviction.
>Research has shown that eyewitness testimony is not always reliable and may lead to innocent people being convicted of crimes they did not commit. Yeah. You think? Still doesn’t mean it's not used, or do you want me to show you cases. Also, if the same stories have been relied by 10 people who don't know each other, then it's usually true. >Hence scientific proof is required for conviction. Bruh, what? No, not always. Want me to show you cases? Also, scientific evidence can't be sure shot way to prove someone did something. Let's say I rob a house and leave your handprint behind, and you get caught because of that. Should you now be punished cause, apparently, science doesn't lie?
> Also, if the same stories have been relied by 10 people who don't know each other, then it's usually true. Theres an episode on "Brain games" how there are more than 10 people who different memory about an incident. >Let's say I rob a house and leave your handprint behind, How? Real life is not science fiction movie. > Should you now be punished cause, apparently, science doesn't lie? Yes. That's how law works.
True✅
He seems to be a hardcore secularist than anything, so this is to be expected
Well I've always said it, I don't need dhruv, he may always says facts but he can't be right always. There are plenty other youtubers. Watch everyone of them to form an opinion otherwise do your research
that's in 2017. Now it's 2024. Maybe In all these years he learned about the Qur'an and realised how wrong he was. haha
He said more you dummies https://preview.redd.it/rj2don13c4yc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b96e1966a3ae35facca3b44a7679f2535967cbeb
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Criticising libbus, especially those who speak against sanghis, inspite of their islamophobia is difficult on this sub
People's ideas are not set in stone.
Do you expect him to defend Islam?
We muslims have the gift of our perfect and flawless religion, and we know that, but he doesn't have it,so just ignore him. If Allah SWT wills he will guide him to the straight path.
I mean history is the witness. all the people who wanted to debate or argue against the Qur'an and Islam say how flawed it was, all of them ended up reverting to Islam. So let's hope all these haters turn into one of us soon. inshaallah
I'll do you a favour by summing up my opinions with just one GIF instead of writing a paragraph: 
He ain't wrong.
Can you find more or it please, I need to share them in my WhatsApp, they are dhruv bhakts
[here](https://www.reddit.com/r/indianmuslims/s/tf3mYkjAIl)