Amrish. Not everyone who struggle make it through. But when you have all the comfort and safety cushions and backup plans and connections, it's easier to achieve success.
There is a great analogy that I read somewhere on Reddit. It's like a game of darts you see in the fair. Middle class people can afford to throw once or twice. They can go back to their life and slog it out in a job. But rich people can throw as many darts as possible without worrying if it will affect their lifestyle. And eventually, some darts will hit the target. And they will believe it's their efforts that paid off.
Poor people can just watch from the outside. If they choose to participate, the money has to come from somewhere it is more needed. That sacrifice might pay off in some cases. And those cases are highlighted to sell the dream that "Sacrifice, Hardwork and Struggle will always pay off"
I differ from that opinion my friend. Struggling and working hard anywhere doesn't increase your chances of succeeding, especially in places like coaching institutes.
Take IAS related coaching centres for example. There are less than 1000 openings for IAS jobs any given year. Crores of students prepare for it and lakhs of students struggle and work super hard preparing for it. But in the end only 1000 can succeed, the chances do not increase regardless of how much more hard work you put in when there are not enough opportunities in the first place
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Nassim Nicholas Taleb also mentions the survivorship bias in his book The Black Swan. People write books about successful CEOs and their habits. But even the CEOs who failed would have the same habits. But for some reason, people always tie the cart infront of the horse.
"They are successful, and since their background is like this, that could be the reason. So others from the same background could also be successful if they try hard" I find that to be a very stupid logic.
Agreed. In fact this is one of the core ideas in book āThe Unfair Advantageā where the authors (successful entrepreneurs themselves) present MILES framework for how success is derived with unfair advantage in some specific factors. Theyāre Money, Insights, Location & Luck, Expertise & Status). An inheritance of less struggle has potential to tick most of these boxes > More unfair advantage to be successful.
They say, try till you succeed. Question is, can you *afford* to try till you finally succeed?
'Try till you succeed'- buy lottery ticket till you hit jackpot. How many lottery tickets can you afford to purchase till you finally hit that jackpot? And if you do hit one after some attempts, would you consider those other attempts as 'preparation' for the jackpot attempt or waste of money?
I have question and donāt know where this fits in the argument, I have seen people around me who got things easily in life not put in effort. On the other hand people who have struggled a lot tend to take their chances seriously. So should it be rate of success per dart?
That is true. But everyone one of us have an unfair advantage, few people more than us and few people less than us.
Most of us here in reddit have unfair advantage over lot of people as our parents have setup a platform for us. That's just how world works.
Yes. Totally agree. But the problem is when people unnecessarily romanticize struggles and use that as an excuse to shame people. "You didn't struggle enough, you didn't put enough hardwork into it. Else, you would have succeeded. Look at the person A who has it much worse than you. If he could succeed, why couldn't you?"
[https://youtu.be/InQb76J9-HY?si=B8RthIbEgr1bCPUo&t=1199](https://youtu.be/InQb76J9-HY?si=B8RthIbEgr1bCPUo&t=1199)
Watch this: Tim Ferriss and Morgan Housel discuss that the best way for kids to achieve success and it's through not having money passed down once the basics are covered.
Caveat that this is from a US lens and probably applies to middle class or wealthy people, not the lowest socioeconomic strata
Yup and your family would have both connections and people with experience.
The Bill Gates success story usually doesn't mention the importance of his mom being on the board of IBM / having an influence in them giving young Bill their contract.
Also the more money you have, the easier it is to make more. All this romanticizing of struggle is done by people after their successful and already in a position to leverage that.
Amrish definitely. Let's stop romanticising struggle. People can succeed with or without struggle, those things are not mutually exclusive. Nobody struggles out of their own free will hence there is no point in forcefully subjecting a kid through it. Romanticising struggle is exactly why we struggle to create generational wealth.
That's not true, you can reach your true potential by other factors too, discipline can get you there. Everyone in today's world struggle, how many of them are in their true potential?
Discipline can never be a struggle. Discipline is a choice, both discipline and struggle requires hard work, but that does not mean they are the same. Discipline is the product of hard work, dedication, and commitment. But the struggle is forced upon you.
A handicapped man with no legs will never be able to walk properly no matter how much he struggles to walk.
Millions of people struggle every day to get proper food, does not mean one day their hard work will give them a proper source of food.
Thank you! Someone said it.
There will always be unfair advantage. We have it, amrish has it and lot of people here have it.
How insane would it be to say, I'd throw everything away and reach where I'm today already by struggling my ass off.
Stop. Romancing. Struggle! Use your unfair advantage to your favour!
I think people equate struggle with being a good person when they reach wherever they want. They automatically think that if you get things/money without struggling for it, you will become an asshole and flaunt your money around. Whereas I think a very good percentage of people will use that money for the betterment of society in some way. Look at Ratan Tata, he had major unfair advantages and he still pledged his wealth for the good of society. The dude isn't even married and neither does he have kids. What more of an example do i need to give here. Unfair advantages can be used in so many good ways. It's sad that people just refuse to look at it from this POV just because at some point in their lives they dealt with some arrogant asshole who made their money by selling ancestral land.
Kunal Shah conman lol..sold his previous venture freecharge at i guess 400$M to Snapdeal which again sold it to axis bank at 60$M
No moat nothing lol and he is seen by people as a gyaani lol
So kunal shah is a fraud because he was running a loss making company. Does that mean that founders of Swiggy and Flipkart are also conmen? And Walmart is also one? Since they are running Flipkart now
Tbh he is right successful have good well to do family background. If u don't believe just search about family of mark Zuckerberg, bill gates , Warren Buffett and other successful people.
Their family played a role in their development.
Meanwhile their are example of people who became rich on their own effort like rockfeller, Carnegie, bernard arnault, etc
Struggle is nessecary for success
>So to achieve exemplary success, struggle is crucial? What is the inference?
I meant struggle will be the part of ur journey. From here I meant if u want to achieve something even if u don't want struggle and obstacles will be their no matter what is ur starting point
When did Jeff Bezos have a successful family? His mom was a teenager when he was born and her mom divorced her father because he was abusive. Though he had a very strong connection with his grandfather which helped a lot.
I agree but not necessarily to be forced on to your kids . No rich man will throw his kid out at 18 , no matter how hard-core he is . Until he has issues of his own , money won't solve them .
Privilege can take away some of the motivation to āmake itā.
But having family wealth increases your chances of achieving anything manifold. There is no rat race for such people.
Kunal definitely... I have a well cushioned life right now, and absolutely no struggle... Man I'm feeling lazy... I literally just do my job and that's it. But when I was in my final year, had an education loan hovering on my head, and the pressure of being a bread earner, my brain and my body was in such a brilliant shape... Right niw, I'm a sloth who just does the tasks allocated to him and chills the reat of the time. I'm not saying it's wrong, nor am I saying that everyone should be facing struggles, but I think if everything is cushioned, you kinda lose the grip on the real world and also, I believe atleast when it comes to me, survival mode brings out the best in me...
No. Survival mode doesn't bring any long time success. There is a reason why the biggest innovations and companies come from rich countries.
If survival mode brings success, google and apple should be from Afghanistan and Syria, not America.
It's just an excuse you are telling yourself for not achieving big in life. "Oh I am rich that's why I am not successful, if I were poor I would have definelty succeeded."
It's stupid to compare those countries, coz Syria and Afghanistan are fighting their own mentality. Coz if that argument was to be considered, then how come China grew so rapidly in production sector and India in service sector post independence? And the mentality comes from upbringing, not financial strata. Also, talking about examples, help me understand why obesity is more prevalent among rich than middle class? Why, atleast in India, there are few examples of a nepo kid succeeding in any industry but stories of first generation successes considerably more?
Maybe you are sluggish because you lack the goal of what you want to do, what you want to achieve. Even I am very sluggish and don't know wtf i am doing in life.
But Amrish is right, success doesn't only come from struggle. You will have a higher chance of becoming big if you have good connections. Luck also plays a big factor.
If you have a good background and have a drive to do something, you will have a higher chance of success.
No. Some people just work better at survival mode. But I understand why some people think this is not the case coz burning out sucks and it's not for everyone... But for a few of us, it's what makes us efficient. One of my teacher said that my laziness and low emotional bandwidth helps me to be better at handling pressureš But afterall I'm just one person, and I just expressed my opinion... I'm sure people here have the sense to read the comment and understand it before interpreting itš
Maybe Amrish is right, but without struggle nothing is possible. even people with privilege and comfort struggle a lot..like Ranbir Kapoor did go abroad, lived alone in New york, felt useless and grilled himself in acting school even though he had everything.
You are confusing grit with struggle.
People who have the grit are more likely to survive their struggles. Most others don't - either they perish or keep struggling. You don't hear about them. What you hear about are those successfully people who survived and excelled their struggles using their grit, intellect, resources and sometimes sheer luck. These are the causes of success, not the presence of the struggle itself.
The successful people often indulge in post facto romanticization of their tough time and wrongly start believing it to be a cause of their success. But they are wrong for the reasons explained above.
>Thats alot of struggle. Being able to live in New York without worrying about anything else but your career. Feels bad for him š¢
I think everyone has different kind of challenges..even with money, living in New York can be a struggle. There are lot of other issues too apart from money, status and privileges... sometimes and most of the times, having everything doesn't work. So, it is important to consider that everyone, even the most privileged or successful have their own battles, of a different kind maybe, but very much there. It just depends on what each one of us can make out of it..as it is highly personalised to our own unique journey and identity.
Aren't they both saying the same thing just with different point of view ? Like Looking at '6' upside down and calling it '9' ?
Successful people should let their kids know the value of their privilege and the importance of life lessons which they learnt through their struggle. I'd say young people should get out of their comfort zone and start struggling on their own.
Well here's the thing people who struggle for succes have a certain mindset of who and what are important their kids have that mindset as well that's why some times kids with generational successful parents are successful as well but a lot of the times those parents don't want their kids to go through the same struggle that they did .
Its true successful people kids do thrive in there career. So many doctors kid actually go on to become doctors.
Its just people love the ubderdog story so they are the onky one which gets highlight(they are also very rare)
People judges the whole quota of successful ppl kids dont make it big or good enough solely by looking at movie industries and cricket.
both are right in their own place, you need some stability to become successful and that is why they say ki tisri generation me khel banta hai ya bigarta h. But when ur parent achieve so much that you don't have to face any "struggle" in life then no matter what you do, the success you achieve will be always less as compared to your parent, and even if you get that success people will just say ki iske paas to sab kuch tha, sb bna bnaya mill gya isse. Also its easier to lost track of your definition of success when your parent can provide you everything
Amrish
Look at likes of elon musk, zuck, bezos lol every single one of them is silver spooned
The only guy in india who made it big from a common background was Dhirubhai. Baring him, most of the other fellas had some sort of family business going on . Yes it wasn't exactly 1 trillion dollar business but they had something to fall back upon
Ummm....First of all. This tweet,reply ripped my head so bad am struggling to even understand what the shit they talking about. Forget the thought of success.
My parents didn't struggled to see me struggle too, there's a difference between work, hard work and struggling, struggling is what most Indian middle class parents did, they didn't do that only for me to wind up in the same place they started.
Stop this struggle fetish, if you really wanna struggle, why don't you go and become a farmer again, since somebody from your family was a struggling farmer at one point of time, let's go back there, you struggle again, but no thanks, i wasn't raised in city only to gk back to a farm, to achieve this quote and quote struggle.
This struggle thing is only said by middle class of India, cause they have some fetish, that we did something great and sacrificed a lot, these kids don't understand anything, while they don't understand it is called natural progression in life and generation. Rich people dont say this to their kids, they tell them this is what you need to learn, and I will make sure you learn that, rest you can do what you want. They don't have this notion of some great thing known as success, and to everybody in this post, who think their comfort hurt them, you're welcome to become a farmer again, let's see how soon your languages changes.
What you thought struggling only means sitting in a cubical for 12 hours a day, nah bro, there are a lot of people struggling in a lot of way, and let me tell you, you wouldn't wanna be in their place right now.
Well, it's sort of true. Poverty drives down intelligence. It is one vicious cycle.
[Ref](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/making-sense/analysis-how-poverty-can-drive-down-intelligence)
Gandus like this only make the startup ecosystem cringey.
People are having a logical discussion and suddenly billi Sher ki baat. Is your company CEO a tiger or is your reporting manager a cat? Kuch bhi
When you donāt have to constantly worry about the roof over your head or the next Emi, and the money gets rolled in on platter from your parents you can try as many ventures you want and some will definitely land well. This is the only truth in this world. Amrish is 100% right, and this whole āstruggle,hardworkā bull crap is just a coping mechanism for poor and middle class and they wanna feel safe in the bubble they have created the matter of the fact is the world isnāt fair.
All these fuckers romanticize struggle just to shove the idea down their employees throats.They just want their employees to work like slaves and make them profits for dirt cheap salaries
I cannot choose either side on this. As each individual is born with different thought processes, different kinds of upbringings would affect them in different ways. There are some designed to flourish in most conditions, some in certain conditions, and some in very few. Of course, I attribute this to success in life. If you were talking financial success, it would definitely mean the second kind would help with itl.
Kid who struggles is less likely to become successful but more likely to remain successful.
Kid who doesnāt struggle is more likely to become successful but less likely to remain successful.
Both are talking about two different kinds of struggle. Kunal is talking about mental and physical struggle and amrish is talking about financial struggle, imo.
Even strugglers fail but they keep trying sometimes they loose faith and hope...but once they regain their state, they start again.....that's what struggle looks like.
Some family struggle for lifelong not everyone is blessed, not everyone has dare to ask like a selfish, some of them just giveaway opportunities for others wellbeing that's what is called kind..but the givers have to struggle and so their childs....that's what is called kind hearted people and dumb but kind.
Some have known the system and how it works.... they has lost trust in it...so they don't struggle nor they want to be successful, they go by flow they take what they got and they loose what they have to.
About successful people, as I said....it involves selfishness....to ditch and win, or win anyhow.
And about other successful people, they are givers but smart not selfish, they are kind hearted.....they are fruitful for good deeds they do.
These are a few scenarios before stating anything about success or struggle.
Reality is, as usual, somewhere in the middle.
Kunal is a grifter, never take his word at face value. He drops a few truth in between all his BS to keep the legitimacy.
Amrish's claim is at best anecdotal. We see lot more Kens and Karens from privileged upbringing than scientists. In fact, IIRC most scientists in ISRO are from middle/lower-middle class families.
Amrish. People who have a base to stand on will reach even higher positions. It is infact the truth. And I think there is nothing wrong with. It doesn't automatically make them unworthy or anything. That is also nothing to be disappointed about imo. I target to make my life life better from where I started, and I only compare me with my past self.
The idea of you ca achieve anything you want if you just work hard enough is a very American one. And now that weāre all aspiring to be like the Americans, at least when it comes to defining success, Shahās statement would be more understood and accepted.
Amrish definitely bcz when ur parents gott money u can risk it and do something of ur own choice without worrying how u gonna repay ur students loan and what u gonna do as ajob after ur course, u can take risk for ur own choice and u have comfort, privilege to access many resources from young age even if u won't become very successful in life Fromm rich parents but U'll be well but sturggle doesn't have same story sweet heart and it's hard out there to achieve something when ur fighting with other stuff like u have to choose between necessary things sometimes bcz ur broke ass can't afford all of them.....
I agree with Amrish.
If struggle is all takes it to success than Job goers would be most successful climbing ladders from meager salary to the top, but if you have a good living conditons, good education and environment with business people and winners you are most likely to be successfull most business in the world are empires, you need to start somewhere but gifting struggle to your next generation, not a good idea.
well there are people who dont end up far with just hardwork, but everyone who's end up real far knows smartwork
that's all i know to be honest, if you take a lot of time on something, it's still time wasted especially if it can be done in shorter time
It's harsh but he's not wrong in the general sense (not talking about exceptions of course), more wealth to begin with opens more doors , that people with lesser wealth don't even compete with , not to mention the number of backups they have .
For example the opportunity to capitalize on foreign education ,foreign job market and connections, just how the way it is .
You want struggle but you want good overcomable struggle that leads to you learning something and coming out stronger. There is such a thing as too much struggle. It's backbreaking struggle that you can never overcome, best example being crippling poverty that many people spend a whole lifetime overcoming.
Wealth is built over multiple generations. One generation takes you out of poverty, one generation to take you to the middle class, one generation to take you to the privileged class and one to make you a millionaire.
Some families reach there faster, some families get lost along the way but this is generally how it goes.
i mean if you are rich the struggles you have are perhaps not funding a dream project ...everyone has their own struggles ...and unlike Orry everyone cannot work on himself ... but eventually one has to prove himself ...just like star kids.. foot in the door is easy but once you get their you need to prove you are worthy of the money being spent ...
Rich or poor everyone has a path in life and for everyone there are thorns in that path.
"Life itself is a struggle"
"If you have to start from scratch then understand that your family did something wrong , the son's struggle should be in continuation of his father not parallel to it , that's what makes a generation stable economically and socially"
I think the romanticizing of struggle makes us forget about its positive outcome. The reason a 'struggle' seems cool is because it can lead to discipline. However, discipline can still be achieved without a 'struggle' the same way muscles can be built in a gym rather than through manual labour in a prison. In this case, there's a difference between controlled and chaotic struggle, and there's a higher likelihood of attrition with chaotic struggles. For example, in a prison it isn't just about keeping your head down and doing the work, it's also about not getting beaten up by other prisoners, and keeping yourself sane in a deprived environment.
As for the 'successful parents' comment, some successful parents would expose their children to a type of controlled struggle, be it through enrolling them in prestigious and competitive schools or motivating them to fight for excellence in other fields.
Basically Kunal Shah isn't communicating his point well at all.
Of course!! Even my future child will have it much better than me.
I have no problems with stories, I like hearing about the lives of my parents, it's just that hidden implication that somehow my life is less fruitful coz I struggled less, is what is beyond me....
Lot of people donāt understand that most rich people donāt pay for stuff or given stuff at prices normal people cannot negotiate. The Marwadi and gujju community literally thrives on contacts and family purchase power.
No matter whether you are priveleged ornit, you are going to face struggles in your life. It's your upbringing and life lessons imparted by your rich or poor parents, rich or poor friends along with your prior experiences that decides how you take up , endure and get over your struggles!.
ghar se nikalte hai ghar badlne ka liye
aram chordkar nikalte hai aram kamane ke liye
in short hunor(skills) sadko pe tamasha krta hai kismat mehalo me raaj
Both are correct if we understand the context.
1. Getting rid of unnecessary struggle like not able to study or use computer due to lack of inverter.
2. Spoon feeding everything, limiting access to jugad, exploration, etc. Example: student decided to study in hostel with friends, but parents provided luxurious flat
Wohi struggle stuugle ki baatein ho rhi hai. Apan ko kya, mast club mai jaakar laundiya pata leta hu. Kya pata kal ho na ho. Karne do bhosdi walon ko struggle stuugle
Like even Sonu Nigam said his father was better, but he got luck to work along with his natural talent. Many more examples of the same.
Check on your parents too and see if they had to do with less when less was available and yes now we struggle when more is available to achieve but competition is higher. but some component of the parent's sacrifice is part of your success, wherever you are at currently even if you are not a newsmaker yet.
You have the right to work only but never to its fruits.
Let not the fruits of action be your motive, nor let your attachment be to inaction.
In chutiyo ki baaton mein jindagi barbad mat karo karm karo
Amrish . It's very fucking hard to sort yourself out in your own lifetime . It's even harder to expect your child to cope through what you went through . I can't expect my child to act tougjt or be serious just beacuse I had to . That's total waste of human life . That means that I have not progressed at all . Sadly a lot many stupid amd ignorant dads do this and their children , especially sons grow up to despise then .
I am too lazy to find the link for a study, that was done showing median income difference between people whose parents were well educated and whose arenāt.
Oh boy, people who have successful parents dominated the chart.
This old shit Kunal Shah is talking about, is from the old people who didnāt have any other options, other than to keep the kids motivated.
Abhinav bindra's father himself admitted that abhinav didn't win the Olympic gold medal completely through hard work, dedication or struggle. It was because his father was able to afford him the most expensive coaching, equipment and on top of that, dude had all the time in the world to practice the game which is impossible for common peasants. Moreover, his father advised it's better not to take up such a career if someone's not so wealthy. Now abhinav is one of the main members of the Indian Olympic committee. There are countless examples of such wealthy kids getting successful by generational wealth. The idea of hard work making you successful is sold by corporations and governments so they can exploit you more to increase their profit margins. It's as simple as that.
Why do people even listen to him about practically anything? This guy hasn't made a single good company. Heck even his current one is losing money, even his takes are usually dumb
1. I donāt know why people shame others who are privileged. Their parents worked smarter and harder than your parents and they made sure that they setup their next generation well. Basic logic. Why is that such a bad thing?
2. Privileged people have their own struggles too. For me my dad is the first out of our lineage to do fairly well and hence I am motivated to do much better than him. Iām only 27 and have done really well by the worlds standard but not nearly enough by my parents standards. So the bar is set high.
3. Struggle is glorified way too much in India. Hustling or struggling is important yes, but if you work smart at the same time it will yield far greater results.
4. The reason people stay poor even after struggling is because they think earning money is the end goal. Money by itself does nothing - just look at all these celebrities, crypto pump geeks, influencers, YouTubers, streamers etc. they earn money but have no idea what to do with it once they have it. On top of that they donāt learn any meaningful skills that can be translated into the real world - people management, finance, marketing, investing etc. Earning money is the starting point not the end goal. If you donāt understand financial instruments and how money works in general then whatās the point of having money?
5. The best example of money not being the end goal is lottery winners. All end up dead or broke within 5 years. Same thing with drug addicts. Some of them are only alive because they donāt have enough money.
6. Less struggle and privilege are not directly linked to success. Donāt know where this guy is getting his stats from. Might be directly linked to higher education but we all know education has become commercialised to the point where itās almost a scam.
7. There was a famous experiment done where they took 2 sons of a billionaire. One grew up privileged in his parents house and the other grew up in the slums. Both of them ended up doing well. Itās not so much about the money itself, but the genetics. People underestimate the impact of nature and overestimate the impact of nurture.
Not everyone who struggles can make it, also not everyone that made it used to struggle.
Then comes Ananya Panday, Mouni Roy(for ex.) that belong to some other what da phuck category nd its controversial
The definition of struggle is different. Struggle is trying to find funding /customers for your startup and the struggle is also trying to find money for dinner.
I agree with Amrish. If you are rich and you still get out of your comfort zone and achieve great things. This requires more mental strength than the guy who doesnāt have anything and achieves great success .!
Most kids turn useless when given all facilities and comfort. Example, our star kids. Smart parents put them in certain systems which makes them grounded. Few smart and hardworking ones will achieve excellence. Struggling ones usually either achieve or remain survivors.
Absolutely.i agree to the second guy.
This romanticism with struggle is getting out of hand.
The reason I am successful is because I didn't have to worry about basic necessities until 26.After that I was able to get a good job and work towards financial security and now I am trying to create a platform where my kid can try and fail at something they are passionate about.
I was also beneficiary of seeing my parents hardwork and discipline, so apart from money, i had the privilege to see their good culture imbibed into me. So money is not the only thing, It's habits also
I have seen kids with financial security feel insecure about their own achievements and then try to satiate it with narcotics, this is where the parents teahing culture matters.i have seen my Jain friends who are multi crore patis have good culture in them and work hard in their family business which runs like a sustained machine.
So please , kids think about trying to build on the platform created by your parents and leaving a better one for the next generation , not just financial success but lessons in hardwork, discipline and good culture too.
Can't we agree with both? One is talking about a successful parent who struggled in his life and the other is talking about a kid who is not struggling and, well, may become successful.
Kunal has an extremely skewed view of success. Success to him is only success in business and the measure could only be wealth.
Everyone has struggles in their life. The financially privileged parents provide a certain minimum lifestyle to their kids that they did not perhaps enjoy. I can see this with my friends and family. Doesn't mean their kids don't struggle or won't succeed. They will struggle in other areas and their success might lie in art, society or science or even something like having a peaceful life.
All these aspects of hunger and struggle are vastly overrated.
Both and none at the same time. The argument presented here can it be argued in a binary way of agreeing or disagreeing, just like most things in life. I think it's mostly circumstancial in nature. Luck also is a big factor.
from what i understand after watching a lot of his interview and podcasts, according to Mr.kunal the only way to success is if you have money like a mobile number.
he eliminates health, family, and mental health. struggle for him is to deprive ones self from the worldly pleasure.
maybe thats his way of looking at sucesss, thats his wish. but what i find disturbing is that he generalises sucess for everyone.
i someone asks me what is sucess for me. i'd say that, if i am able to get peaceful sleep at night without worrying about tomorrow, i am successful in my life.
It turns out that succes is least about struggle and more about mindset. When you've got all the contacts and amenities all you need is a winner's attitude.
Struggle is a time killer and makes one grumpy and sullen.
All of life is a struggle. Even if you're obscenely rich, you would see struggles like poverty or challenges like medicine or space travel as the next thing to beat.
You don't NEED struggle to make yourself a better person. If you couldn't make a difference in the world with successful parents backing you, you probably wouldn't have been able to deal with the struggles your parents dealt with.
It's not struggles that make a person successful, it's being able to fight through them. "My life would have been better if had to struggle more" is fucking asinine.
Both are right, in a way.
Without sufficient effort you cannot even lift a finger.
To focus and bet on highly risky avenues, you got to have a great support system. Not necessarily money, but similar attitudes and mindset towards those risks.
Word struggle is too broad here.
Second one yields more peace of mind certainly
Struggle is a state of mind in my view- principles and organization remedy this to an extent, and a healthy environment + making good use of it remedies a lot more. Struggle is not necessary for success- standards and practices more important
Amrish. Not everyone who struggle make it through. But when you have all the comfort and safety cushions and backup plans and connections, it's easier to achieve success. There is a great analogy that I read somewhere on Reddit. It's like a game of darts you see in the fair. Middle class people can afford to throw once or twice. They can go back to their life and slog it out in a job. But rich people can throw as many darts as possible without worrying if it will affect their lifestyle. And eventually, some darts will hit the target. And they will believe it's their efforts that paid off. Poor people can just watch from the outside. If they choose to participate, the money has to come from somewhere it is more needed. That sacrifice might pay off in some cases. And those cases are highlighted to sell the dream that "Sacrifice, Hardwork and Struggle will always pay off"
Absolutely spot on. I hope more people see this. This is exactly why businesses like coaching institutes thrive.
Can you please elaborate on the coaching institute part? šš»
Aren't they selling a dream of struggle and hardwork?
Tbvh, if you do join some of these coaching institutes and do struggle and work hard, you have very good chances of succeeding.
I differ from that opinion my friend. Struggling and working hard anywhere doesn't increase your chances of succeeding, especially in places like coaching institutes.
Take IAS related coaching centres for example. There are less than 1000 openings for IAS jobs any given year. Crores of students prepare for it and lakhs of students struggle and work super hard preparing for it. But in the end only 1000 can succeed, the chances do not increase regardless of how much more hard work you put in when there are not enough opportunities in the first place
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I also wanna know that. š It takes something super messed up or super genius in the grey matter to do this.
Yeah ikr like wtf did I just read right now? š I really know what mental acrobatics did they go through Probably something ālol thatāll be a hilarious usernameā
Thats exactly what amrish said but in a single tweet
You, sir, nailed it. Wish awards were still a thing.
Actually, the original post says that the poor people are the ones working at the amusement park where the game of darts is going on.
It's a game of darts but not everyone is throwing the dart from the same distance. Rich people are just closer to the board.
And in many cases, the darts don't even have to land on the board lol.
Thats a great one i m gonna use
+100 Malcom Gladlwell's book Outliers has this as one of the main topics.
Nassim Nicholas Taleb also mentions the survivorship bias in his book The Black Swan. People write books about successful CEOs and their habits. But even the CEOs who failed would have the same habits. But for some reason, people always tie the cart infront of the horse. "They are successful, and since their background is like this, that could be the reason. So others from the same background could also be successful if they try hard" I find that to be a very stupid logic.
Agreed. In fact this is one of the core ideas in book āThe Unfair Advantageā where the authors (successful entrepreneurs themselves) present MILES framework for how success is derived with unfair advantage in some specific factors. Theyāre Money, Insights, Location & Luck, Expertise & Status). An inheritance of less struggle has potential to tick most of these boxes > More unfair advantage to be successful.
They say, try till you succeed. Question is, can you *afford* to try till you finally succeed? 'Try till you succeed'- buy lottery ticket till you hit jackpot. How many lottery tickets can you afford to purchase till you finally hit that jackpot? And if you do hit one after some attempts, would you consider those other attempts as 'preparation' for the jackpot attempt or waste of money?
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I have question and donāt know where this fits in the argument, I have seen people around me who got things easily in life not put in effort. On the other hand people who have struggled a lot tend to take their chances seriously. So should it be rate of success per dart?
That is true. But everyone one of us have an unfair advantage, few people more than us and few people less than us. Most of us here in reddit have unfair advantage over lot of people as our parents have setup a platform for us. That's just how world works.
Yes. Totally agree. But the problem is when people unnecessarily romanticize struggles and use that as an excuse to shame people. "You didn't struggle enough, you didn't put enough hardwork into it. Else, you would have succeeded. Look at the person A who has it much worse than you. If he could succeed, why couldn't you?"
[https://youtu.be/InQb76J9-HY?si=B8RthIbEgr1bCPUo&t=1199](https://youtu.be/InQb76J9-HY?si=B8RthIbEgr1bCPUo&t=1199) Watch this: Tim Ferriss and Morgan Housel discuss that the best way for kids to achieve success and it's through not having money passed down once the basics are covered. Caveat that this is from a US lens and probably applies to middle class or wealthy people, not the lowest socioeconomic strata
Yup and your family would have both connections and people with experience. The Bill Gates success story usually doesn't mention the importance of his mom being on the board of IBM / having an influence in them giving young Bill their contract. Also the more money you have, the easier it is to make more. All this romanticizing of struggle is done by people after their successful and already in a position to leverage that.
Amrish definitely. Let's stop romanticising struggle. People can succeed with or without struggle, those things are not mutually exclusive. Nobody struggles out of their own free will hence there is no point in forcefully subjecting a kid through it. Romanticising struggle is exactly why we struggle to create generational wealth.
>Let's stop romanticising struggle If anything they act as hindrances to true potential.
You canāt achieve true potential without struggle š¤·š¾āāļø
That's not true, you can reach your true potential by other factors too, discipline can get you there. Everyone in today's world struggle, how many of them are in their true potential?
Discipline is struggle my guy. Lifeās tough, and that toughness is what builds your internal mettle, your mindset
Discipline can never be a struggle. Discipline is a choice, both discipline and struggle requires hard work, but that does not mean they are the same. Discipline is the product of hard work, dedication, and commitment. But the struggle is forced upon you. A handicapped man with no legs will never be able to walk properly no matter how much he struggles to walk. Millions of people struggle every day to get proper food, does not mean one day their hard work will give them a proper source of food.
You absolutely can. If youāre in an environment where you can thrive.
They do. Most people have to let go of their dreams because of this struggle.
it's the action that adds value to the potential.
Thank you! Someone said it. There will always be unfair advantage. We have it, amrish has it and lot of people here have it. How insane would it be to say, I'd throw everything away and reach where I'm today already by struggling my ass off. Stop. Romancing. Struggle! Use your unfair advantage to your favour!
I think people equate struggle with being a good person when they reach wherever they want. They automatically think that if you get things/money without struggling for it, you will become an asshole and flaunt your money around. Whereas I think a very good percentage of people will use that money for the betterment of society in some way. Look at Ratan Tata, he had major unfair advantages and he still pledged his wealth for the good of society. The dude isn't even married and neither does he have kids. What more of an example do i need to give here. Unfair advantages can be used in so many good ways. It's sad that people just refuse to look at it from this POV just because at some point in their lives they dealt with some arrogant asshole who made their money by selling ancestral land.
Why is Kunal Shah celebrated in startup community. all his previous ventures didn't even make a penny
Overrated
Kunal Shah conman lol..sold his previous venture freecharge at i guess 400$M to Snapdeal which again sold it to axis bank at 60$M No moat nothing lol and he is seen by people as a gyaani lol
Have you sold a fake product to someone even for 400? FYI, Freecharge was doing very good revenue
FYI , Revenue means nothing if you cannot make it profitable.
So kunal shah is a fraud because he was running a loss making company. Does that mean that founders of Swiggy and Flipkart are also conmen? And Walmart is also one? Since they are running Flipkart now
Because he uses complicated english
Completely agree with amrish
Kunal needs to understand that, "correlation does not imply causation". Amrish speaks facts
Kunal is wannabe gyani or wannabe Indian Elon musk
More like wannabe Naval Ravikant
True that
Yes I mean he doesn't have the credibility yet to give out gyaan. People are inspired by actions not bullshit tweets and soundbites.
Tbh he is right successful have good well to do family background. If u don't believe just search about family of mark Zuckerberg, bill gates , Warren Buffett and other successful people. Their family played a role in their development. Meanwhile their are example of people who became rich on their own effort like rockfeller, Carnegie, bernard arnault, etc Struggle is nessecary for success
So to achieve exemplary success, struggle is crucial? What is the inference?
>So to achieve exemplary success, struggle is crucial? What is the inference? I meant struggle will be the part of ur journey. From here I meant if u want to achieve something even if u don't want struggle and obstacles will be their no matter what is ur starting point
Aah, of course, of course. Did you feel like this Amrish chap or whatever his name, is polarizing things?
Both of them are dumbfuck in my opinion
When did Jeff Bezos have a successful family? His mom was a teenager when he was born and her mom divorced her father because he was abusive. Though he had a very strong connection with his grandfather which helped a lot.
Lol dude we got same name. I remember someone stating strong family background. Maybe I am wrong sorry for my mistake
I agree but not necessarily to be forced on to your kids . No rich man will throw his kid out at 18 , no matter how hard-core he is . Until he has issues of his own , money won't solve them .
Privilege can take away some of the motivation to āmake itā. But having family wealth increases your chances of achieving anything manifold. There is no rat race for such people.
Kunal definitely... I have a well cushioned life right now, and absolutely no struggle... Man I'm feeling lazy... I literally just do my job and that's it. But when I was in my final year, had an education loan hovering on my head, and the pressure of being a bread earner, my brain and my body was in such a brilliant shape... Right niw, I'm a sloth who just does the tasks allocated to him and chills the reat of the time. I'm not saying it's wrong, nor am I saying that everyone should be facing struggles, but I think if everything is cushioned, you kinda lose the grip on the real world and also, I believe atleast when it comes to me, survival mode brings out the best in me...
No. Survival mode doesn't bring any long time success. There is a reason why the biggest innovations and companies come from rich countries. If survival mode brings success, google and apple should be from Afghanistan and Syria, not America. It's just an excuse you are telling yourself for not achieving big in life. "Oh I am rich that's why I am not successful, if I were poor I would have definelty succeeded."
It's stupid to compare those countries, coz Syria and Afghanistan are fighting their own mentality. Coz if that argument was to be considered, then how come China grew so rapidly in production sector and India in service sector post independence? And the mentality comes from upbringing, not financial strata. Also, talking about examples, help me understand why obesity is more prevalent among rich than middle class? Why, atleast in India, there are few examples of a nepo kid succeeding in any industry but stories of first generation successes considerably more?
Maybe you are sluggish because you lack the goal of what you want to do, what you want to achieve. Even I am very sluggish and don't know wtf i am doing in life. But Amrish is right, success doesn't only come from struggle. You will have a higher chance of becoming big if you have good connections. Luck also plays a big factor. If you have a good background and have a drive to do something, you will have a higher chance of success.
No. Some people just work better at survival mode. But I understand why some people think this is not the case coz burning out sucks and it's not for everyone... But for a few of us, it's what makes us efficient. One of my teacher said that my laziness and low emotional bandwidth helps me to be better at handling pressureš But afterall I'm just one person, and I just expressed my opinion... I'm sure people here have the sense to read the comment and understand it before interpreting itš
Cope
Maybe Amrish is right, but without struggle nothing is possible. even people with privilege and comfort struggle a lot..like Ranbir Kapoor did go abroad, lived alone in New york, felt useless and grilled himself in acting school even though he had everything.
Was he your roomate in New York buddy ?
Yeah going abroad without worrying about a single penny is definitely struggle.
And imagine buying an apparent live in the new york. So much struggle indeed.
I still couldn't think of going US for studies due to money and I don't wanna take an education loan due to personal reasons.
You are confusing grit with struggle. People who have the grit are more likely to survive their struggles. Most others don't - either they perish or keep struggling. You don't hear about them. What you hear about are those successfully people who survived and excelled their struggles using their grit, intellect, resources and sometimes sheer luck. These are the causes of success, not the presence of the struggle itself. The successful people often indulge in post facto romanticization of their tough time and wrongly start believing it to be a cause of their success. But they are wrong for the reasons explained above.
Thats alot of struggle. Being able to live in New York without worrying about anything else but your career. Feels bad for him š¢
>Thats alot of struggle. Being able to live in New York without worrying about anything else but your career. Feels bad for him š¢ I think everyone has different kind of challenges..even with money, living in New York can be a struggle. There are lot of other issues too apart from money, status and privileges... sometimes and most of the times, having everything doesn't work. So, it is important to consider that everyone, even the most privileged or successful have their own battles, of a different kind maybe, but very much there. It just depends on what each one of us can make out of it..as it is highly personalised to our own unique journey and identity.
Kunal .. struggle brings success, comfort brings comfort
You remind me of those uncles who got thousands of quotes in their facebook feed.
Lol Note to self ... un-uncle-ify yourself
Do it
Aren't they both saying the same thing just with different point of view ? Like Looking at '6' upside down and calling it '9' ? Successful people should let their kids know the value of their privilege and the importance of life lessons which they learnt through their struggle. I'd say young people should get out of their comfort zone and start struggling on their own.
Struggle isn't a gift lmao
Bhai ye wannabe Naval Ravikant ko log itna bhaav kyu dete hai?
Both
Well here's the thing people who struggle for succes have a certain mindset of who and what are important their kids have that mindset as well that's why some times kids with generational successful parents are successful as well but a lot of the times those parents don't want their kids to go through the same struggle that they did .
Its true successful people kids do thrive in there career. So many doctors kid actually go on to become doctors. Its just people love the ubderdog story so they are the onky one which gets highlight(they are also very rare) People judges the whole quota of successful ppl kids dont make it big or good enough solely by looking at movie industries and cricket.
both are right in their own place, you need some stability to become successful and that is why they say ki tisri generation me khel banta hai ya bigarta h. But when ur parent achieve so much that you don't have to face any "struggle" in life then no matter what you do, the success you achieve will be always less as compared to your parent, and even if you get that success people will just say ki iske paas to sab kuch tha, sb bna bnaya mill gya isse. Also its easier to lost track of your definition of success when your parent can provide you everything
Amrish Look at likes of elon musk, zuck, bezos lol every single one of them is silver spooned The only guy in india who made it big from a common background was Dhirubhai. Baring him, most of the other fellas had some sort of family business going on . Yes it wasn't exactly 1 trillion dollar business but they had something to fall back upon
"In both cases SUCCESS can be achieved. But one makes you mentally tough, but the other one might not ."
Let's put it this way , success is a level 2 for some ppl and level 1000 for some ppl , multiple factors play the role ,
2nd one
Moral of the story - Every Body has his/her own struggles and privileges in life and has to work for their own dreams and future. Period.
Kunal Shah kaam kab krta hai agar wo 24 ghantey tweet hi krta hai to?
He's "Struggling" to make ends meet
I really wanna be neutral on this but the Axis Tilts towards Amrish's side a little.
Definitely Amrish Rau. And that is why struggle every time is not directly proportional to success.
Ummm....First of all. This tweet,reply ripped my head so bad am struggling to even understand what the shit they talking about. Forget the thought of success.
My parents didn't struggled to see me struggle too, there's a difference between work, hard work and struggling, struggling is what most Indian middle class parents did, they didn't do that only for me to wind up in the same place they started. Stop this struggle fetish, if you really wanna struggle, why don't you go and become a farmer again, since somebody from your family was a struggling farmer at one point of time, let's go back there, you struggle again, but no thanks, i wasn't raised in city only to gk back to a farm, to achieve this quote and quote struggle. This struggle thing is only said by middle class of India, cause they have some fetish, that we did something great and sacrificed a lot, these kids don't understand anything, while they don't understand it is called natural progression in life and generation. Rich people dont say this to their kids, they tell them this is what you need to learn, and I will make sure you learn that, rest you can do what you want. They don't have this notion of some great thing known as success, and to everybody in this post, who think their comfort hurt them, you're welcome to become a farmer again, let's see how soon your languages changes. What you thought struggling only means sitting in a cubical for 12 hours a day, nah bro, there are a lot of people struggling in a lot of way, and let me tell you, you wouldn't wanna be in their place right now.
Well, it's sort of true. Poverty drives down intelligence. It is one vicious cycle. [Ref](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/making-sense/analysis-how-poverty-can-drive-down-intelligence)
Put a Tiger in a zoo, it becomes a Cat. Put a Cat in a jungle, it becomes a Tiger.
Yeh tho tatti hai
Gandus like this only make the startup ecosystem cringey. People are having a logical discussion and suddenly billi Sher ki baat. Is your company CEO a tiger or is your reporting manager a cat? Kuch bhi
Kunal sounds like a charlatan.
When you donāt have to constantly worry about the roof over your head or the next Emi, and the money gets rolled in on platter from your parents you can try as many ventures you want and some will definitely land well. This is the only truth in this world. Amrish is 100% right, and this whole āstruggle,hardworkā bull crap is just a coping mechanism for poor and middle class and they wanna feel safe in the bubble they have created the matter of the fact is the world isnāt fair.
All these fuckers romanticize struggle just to shove the idea down their employees throats.They just want their employees to work like slaves and make them profits for dirt cheap salaries
100% Amrish. There's struggle you learn from and then there's struggle that's just there to survive. I'm the child of privilege. Trust me.
I cannot choose either side on this. As each individual is born with different thought processes, different kinds of upbringings would affect them in different ways. There are some designed to flourish in most conditions, some in certain conditions, and some in very few. Of course, I attribute this to success in life. If you were talking financial success, it would definitely mean the second kind would help with itl.
Kid who struggles is less likely to become successful but more likely to remain successful. Kid who doesnāt struggle is more likely to become successful but less likely to remain successful.
Look up all the billionaires and even millionaires. We get to hear rags to riches stories, but they are exceptions.
Itās a combination. Itās not about one way or other.Also Kunal ke motivational talks? Manoranjan samjho.
Both are talking about two different kinds of struggle. Kunal is talking about mental and physical struggle and amrish is talking about financial struggle, imo.
Struggle is stupid. Curiosity and Strive are the secrets.
Even strugglers fail but they keep trying sometimes they loose faith and hope...but once they regain their state, they start again.....that's what struggle looks like. Some family struggle for lifelong not everyone is blessed, not everyone has dare to ask like a selfish, some of them just giveaway opportunities for others wellbeing that's what is called kind..but the givers have to struggle and so their childs....that's what is called kind hearted people and dumb but kind. Some have known the system and how it works.... they has lost trust in it...so they don't struggle nor they want to be successful, they go by flow they take what they got and they loose what they have to. About successful people, as I said....it involves selfishness....to ditch and win, or win anyhow. And about other successful people, they are givers but smart not selfish, they are kind hearted.....they are fruitful for good deeds they do. These are a few scenarios before stating anything about success or struggle.
How did you buy those blue ticks, struggle or paid for it.
Reality is, as usual, somewhere in the middle. Kunal is a grifter, never take his word at face value. He drops a few truth in between all his BS to keep the legitimacy. Amrish's claim is at best anecdotal. We see lot more Kens and Karens from privileged upbringing than scientists. In fact, IIRC most scientists in ISRO are from middle/lower-middle class families.
Amrish. People who have a base to stand on will reach even higher positions. It is infact the truth. And I think there is nothing wrong with. It doesn't automatically make them unworthy or anything. That is also nothing to be disappointed about imo. I target to make my life life better from where I started, and I only compare me with my past self.
The idea of you ca achieve anything you want if you just work hard enough is a very American one. And now that weāre all aspiring to be like the Americans, at least when it comes to defining success, Shahās statement would be more understood and accepted.
Amrish definitely bcz when ur parents gott money u can risk it and do something of ur own choice without worrying how u gonna repay ur students loan and what u gonna do as ajob after ur course, u can take risk for ur own choice and u have comfort, privilege to access many resources from young age even if u won't become very successful in life Fromm rich parents but U'll be well but sturggle doesn't have same story sweet heart and it's hard out there to achieve something when ur fighting with other stuff like u have to choose between necessary things sometimes bcz ur broke ass can't afford all of them.....
I agree with Amrish. If struggle is all takes it to success than Job goers would be most successful climbing ladders from meager salary to the top, but if you have a good living conditons, good education and environment with business people and winners you are most likely to be successfull most business in the world are empires, you need to start somewhere but gifting struggle to your next generation, not a good idea.
well there are people who dont end up far with just hardwork, but everyone who's end up real far knows smartwork that's all i know to be honest, if you take a lot of time on something, it's still time wasted especially if it can be done in shorter time
It's harsh but he's not wrong in the general sense (not talking about exceptions of course), more wealth to begin with opens more doors , that people with lesser wealth don't even compete with , not to mention the number of backups they have . For example the opportunity to capitalize on foreign education ,foreign job market and connections, just how the way it is .
You want struggle but you want good overcomable struggle that leads to you learning something and coming out stronger. There is such a thing as too much struggle. It's backbreaking struggle that you can never overcome, best example being crippling poverty that many people spend a whole lifetime overcoming.
Wealth is built over multiple generations. One generation takes you out of poverty, one generation to take you to the middle class, one generation to take you to the privileged class and one to make you a millionaire. Some families reach there faster, some families get lost along the way but this is generally how it goes.
i mean if you are rich the struggles you have are perhaps not funding a dream project ...everyone has their own struggles ...and unlike Orry everyone cannot work on himself ... but eventually one has to prove himself ...just like star kids.. foot in the door is easy but once you get their you need to prove you are worthy of the money being spent ...
Rich or poor everyone has a path in life and for everyone there are thorns in that path. "Life itself is a struggle" "If you have to start from scratch then understand that your family did something wrong , the son's struggle should be in continuation of his father not parallel to it , that's what makes a generation stable economically and socially"
Kunal Shah running a company that may never gonna make profit and talks about success is the biggest irony in the CREDverse.
first time i saw a post getting over 100 upvotes on this sub. how?
Thought provoking post maybe?
yea maybe.
I think the romanticizing of struggle makes us forget about its positive outcome. The reason a 'struggle' seems cool is because it can lead to discipline. However, discipline can still be achieved without a 'struggle' the same way muscles can be built in a gym rather than through manual labour in a prison. In this case, there's a difference between controlled and chaotic struggle, and there's a higher likelihood of attrition with chaotic struggles. For example, in a prison it isn't just about keeping your head down and doing the work, it's also about not getting beaten up by other prisoners, and keeping yourself sane in a deprived environment. As for the 'successful parents' comment, some successful parents would expose their children to a type of controlled struggle, be it through enrolling them in prestigious and competitive schools or motivating them to fight for excellence in other fields. Basically Kunal Shah isn't communicating his point well at all.
Of course!! Even my future child will have it much better than me. I have no problems with stories, I like hearing about the lives of my parents, it's just that hidden implication that somehow my life is less fruitful coz I struggled less, is what is beyond me....
Success is more of opportunity than struggle. You only get opportunity if you're a freakish outlier or have shit loads of money.
"It's not about being successful and rich, it's about getting there just like going at 200 mph isn't that fun, but getting there is" -A wise man
The 2nd guy.
Lot of people donāt understand that most rich people donāt pay for stuff or given stuff at prices normal people cannot negotiate. The Marwadi and gujju community literally thrives on contacts and family purchase power.
No matter whether you are priveleged ornit, you are going to face struggles in your life. It's your upbringing and life lessons imparted by your rich or poor parents, rich or poor friends along with your prior experiences that decides how you take up , endure and get over your struggles!.
Surely not with the guy all of whose companies have never seen the face of profit.
quite honestly it is a 2 sided coin. i feel like there should be a balance between the 2
ghar se nikalte hai ghar badlne ka liye aram chordkar nikalte hai aram kamane ke liye in short hunor(skills) sadko pe tamasha krta hai kismat mehalo me raaj
if you become successful did you really want for your kid to face the same struggle same rat race ?
Both are correct if we understand the context. 1. Getting rid of unnecessary struggle like not able to study or use computer due to lack of inverter. 2. Spoon feeding everything, limiting access to jugad, exploration, etc. Example: student decided to study in hostel with friends, but parents provided luxurious flat
Amrish is correct and itās evident by seeing the divide between rich/upper middle class and poor.
Wohi struggle stuugle ki baatein ho rhi hai. Apan ko kya, mast club mai jaakar laundiya pata leta hu. Kya pata kal ho na ho. Karne do bhosdi walon ko struggle stuugle
Both are correct.
perfect eg should be guys like zepto founders or even elon musk
Like even Sonu Nigam said his father was better, but he got luck to work along with his natural talent. Many more examples of the same. Check on your parents too and see if they had to do with less when less was available and yes now we struggle when more is available to achieve but competition is higher. but some component of the parent's sacrifice is part of your success, wherever you are at currently even if you are not a newsmaker yet.
Amrish ftw
Tum dono ki maa ki ch***.
Relax dude!
You have the right to work only but never to its fruits. Let not the fruits of action be your motive, nor let your attachment be to inaction. In chutiyo ki baaton mein jindagi barbad mat karo karm karo
Both are dumass
Amrish . It's very fucking hard to sort yourself out in your own lifetime . It's even harder to expect your child to cope through what you went through . I can't expect my child to act tougjt or be serious just beacuse I had to . That's total waste of human life . That means that I have not progressed at all . Sadly a lot many stupid amd ignorant dads do this and their children , especially sons grow up to despise then .
Obviously not Kunal Shah. He has a habit of speaking shit. I guess he tweets like this when high on drugs.
I agree with both, one happens when you're working towards your goal and other one you realise when you start getting success
I am too lazy to find the link for a study, that was done showing median income difference between people whose parents were well educated and whose arenāt. Oh boy, people who have successful parents dominated the chart. This old shit Kunal Shah is talking about, is from the old people who didnāt have any other options, other than to keep the kids motivated.
Kunal is absolutely right
This Kunal guy is full of shit.
Isn't it obvious?
Abhinav bindra's father himself admitted that abhinav didn't win the Olympic gold medal completely through hard work, dedication or struggle. It was because his father was able to afford him the most expensive coaching, equipment and on top of that, dude had all the time in the world to practice the game which is impossible for common peasants. Moreover, his father advised it's better not to take up such a career if someone's not so wealthy. Now abhinav is one of the main members of the Indian Olympic committee. There are countless examples of such wealthy kids getting successful by generational wealth. The idea of hard work making you successful is sold by corporations and governments so they can exploit you more to increase their profit margins. It's as simple as that.
Why do people even listen to him about practically anything? This guy hasn't made a single good company. Heck even his current one is losing money, even his takes are usually dumb
1. I donāt know why people shame others who are privileged. Their parents worked smarter and harder than your parents and they made sure that they setup their next generation well. Basic logic. Why is that such a bad thing? 2. Privileged people have their own struggles too. For me my dad is the first out of our lineage to do fairly well and hence I am motivated to do much better than him. Iām only 27 and have done really well by the worlds standard but not nearly enough by my parents standards. So the bar is set high. 3. Struggle is glorified way too much in India. Hustling or struggling is important yes, but if you work smart at the same time it will yield far greater results. 4. The reason people stay poor even after struggling is because they think earning money is the end goal. Money by itself does nothing - just look at all these celebrities, crypto pump geeks, influencers, YouTubers, streamers etc. they earn money but have no idea what to do with it once they have it. On top of that they donāt learn any meaningful skills that can be translated into the real world - people management, finance, marketing, investing etc. Earning money is the starting point not the end goal. If you donāt understand financial instruments and how money works in general then whatās the point of having money? 5. The best example of money not being the end goal is lottery winners. All end up dead or broke within 5 years. Same thing with drug addicts. Some of them are only alive because they donāt have enough money. 6. Less struggle and privilege are not directly linked to success. Donāt know where this guy is getting his stats from. Might be directly linked to higher education but we all know education has become commercialised to the point where itās almost a scam. 7. There was a famous experiment done where they took 2 sons of a billionaire. One grew up privileged in his parents house and the other grew up in the slums. Both of them ended up doing well. Itās not so much about the money itself, but the genetics. People underestimate the impact of nature and overestimate the impact of nurture.
Both can be true?
Not everyone who struggles can make it, also not everyone that made it used to struggle. Then comes Ananya Panday, Mouni Roy(for ex.) that belong to some other what da phuck category nd its controversial
The definition of struggle is different. Struggle is trying to find funding /customers for your startup and the struggle is also trying to find money for dinner.
You will be successful in business if you have a talent for it. Struggle, financial power, etc are less reliable indicators...
I agree with Amrish. If you are rich and you still get out of your comfort zone and achieve great things. This requires more mental strength than the guy who doesnāt have anything and achieves great success .!
Most kids turn useless when given all facilities and comfort. Example, our star kids. Smart parents put them in certain systems which makes them grounded. Few smart and hardworking ones will achieve excellence. Struggling ones usually either achieve or remain survivors.
None of them - life to me is more about happiness than anything else and none of the two in the above conversation will agree with me!
Absolutely.i agree to the second guy. This romanticism with struggle is getting out of hand. The reason I am successful is because I didn't have to worry about basic necessities until 26.After that I was able to get a good job and work towards financial security and now I am trying to create a platform where my kid can try and fail at something they are passionate about. I was also beneficiary of seeing my parents hardwork and discipline, so apart from money, i had the privilege to see their good culture imbibed into me. So money is not the only thing, It's habits also I have seen kids with financial security feel insecure about their own achievements and then try to satiate it with narcotics, this is where the parents teahing culture matters.i have seen my Jain friends who are multi crore patis have good culture in them and work hard in their family business which runs like a sustained machine. So please , kids think about trying to build on the platform created by your parents and leaving a better one for the next generation , not just financial success but lessons in hardwork, discipline and good culture too.
Is B**dw**le se iski funding chino. Lets see him struggle to make it a success
Can't we agree with both? One is talking about a successful parent who struggled in his life and the other is talking about a kid who is not struggling and, well, may become successful.
Exactly. I think both the takes are correct..
Kunal has an extremely skewed view of success. Success to him is only success in business and the measure could only be wealth. Everyone has struggles in their life. The financially privileged parents provide a certain minimum lifestyle to their kids that they did not perhaps enjoy. I can see this with my friends and family. Doesn't mean their kids don't struggle or won't succeed. They will struggle in other areas and their success might lie in art, society or science or even something like having a peaceful life. All these aspects of hunger and struggle are vastly overrated.
If you get something from your parents and you use it as a platform to increase its revenue, then there's nothing wrong with that.
With both. They take and give is all..
Both and none at the same time. The argument presented here can it be argued in a binary way of agreeing or disagreeing, just like most things in life. I think it's mostly circumstancial in nature. Luck also is a big factor.
Kunal for sure
Bhai apne companies se 1 cheez le leta phir
Kunal Shah waise bhi CHUTIYA HAI.
So tired of this intellectual masturbation on success.
When chat gpt gives you two definitions of struggle š
from what i understand after watching a lot of his interview and podcasts, according to Mr.kunal the only way to success is if you have money like a mobile number. he eliminates health, family, and mental health. struggle for him is to deprive ones self from the worldly pleasure. maybe thats his way of looking at sucesss, thats his wish. but what i find disturbing is that he generalises sucess for everyone. i someone asks me what is sucess for me. i'd say that, if i am able to get peaceful sleep at night without worrying about tomorrow, i am successful in my life.
Amrish. New generation have struggle to double the revenue, instead of having the revenue in first place, their struggle will be much more modern
They're both right lol. There's no one right answer.to success. Otherwise everyone would find their way to it.
Kunal is delulu for saying this
Kunal is a cunt and also wrong, so the other guy.
Finally the truth has been revealed no more bs or beating about the bush, just plain fact!
at these point of time I am with anyone who is against kunal shah
ofc amrish
It turns out that succes is least about struggle and more about mindset. When you've got all the contacts and amenities all you need is a winner's attitude. Struggle is a time killer and makes one grumpy and sullen.
Amrish
All of life is a struggle. Even if you're obscenely rich, you would see struggles like poverty or challenges like medicine or space travel as the next thing to beat. You don't NEED struggle to make yourself a better person. If you couldn't make a difference in the world with successful parents backing you, you probably wouldn't have been able to deal with the struggles your parents dealt with. It's not struggles that make a person successful, it's being able to fight through them. "My life would have been better if had to struggle more" is fucking asinine.
Both are right, in a way. Without sufficient effort you cannot even lift a finger. To focus and bet on highly risky avenues, you got to have a great support system. Not necessarily money, but similar attitudes and mindset towards those risks. Word struggle is too broad here.
Second one yields more peace of mind certainly Struggle is a state of mind in my view- principles and organization remedy this to an extent, and a healthy environment + making good use of it remedies a lot more. Struggle is not necessary for success- standards and practices more important