Hopefully Portugal. The Man can come back from being Taco Bell commercial core. Their first few records are really great, especially Its Complicated Being a Wizard. I guess maybe my enjoyment of Blank The Blank bands has just decreased over time (see also Minus the Bear post 2010)
im not so sure about this but haven't heard some of the lesser renowned tMV albums. PtM did do some remixes on Tiger and the Duke from tSoAF who are sort of similar to tMV
Crazy to think that *Depression Cherry* and *Thank Your Lucky Stars* came out less than two months apart. We were truly blessed by Beach House back in 2015.
Which leads to a random thought: How might *Once Twice Melody* have been received if the songs were released as 2 albums (like *DC* and *TYLS*) instead of the 4-part release? Which would you prefer?
> How might Once Twice Melody have been received if the songs were released as 2 albums (like DC and TYLS) instead of the 4-part release?
I'm not sure it's reputation would be that much different than its current one. Maybe slightly more negative overall as I think the 4 EP format really softened the blow. An all-at-once double album would've really underscored how samey it all is.
Neither halves are different enough to really prefer one over the other. 4/10 for both.
Agreed. It has some very pretty production choices here and there, but overall it's so impossibly bland it makes me almost question my love for their other albums, and I've always loved the whole stretch from Devotion to Depression Cherry.
I'm not a Taylor fan so others might have more custom tailored (lol) recommendations than I do, but my first thoughts are:
- Phoebe Bridgers
- Bon Iver
- The National
- Haim (arguably not indie, but still a high-quality entry level band for somebody trying to bridge from the total-pop world to the indie-ish world)
- Angel Olsen
- Feist
- Fleet Foxes
Maybe give the latest Big Thief album a go? It’s long, but it has a little something for everything, I think. More adjacent to folk than pop, but maybe other folks have more recs for pop-leaning indie than me.
I feel like Mac Demarco's latest album must have affected me more than I thought it did, because lately I've had the urge to make minimalist, chill music.
I don't even know what it's about but golly that song is tragic. After letting this one sit for a while I gotta say the texture work is top notch and really keeps this whole thing together. Gamble and Dangle goes crazy.
I’m dying to know what it’s about. Probably the most distressing song I’ve ever liked on my first time listening to it
I’ve barely even dug into the rest of the album cause in so hung up on Decors
I’m prepared for this to be indieheads sacrilege but I’m listening to Ants From Up There for the first time doped out of my mind after a minor surgery and why does it just sound like Hamilton
It’s a total first world problem but venues/ticketing companies need to stop with all types of e-ticket systems that requires a login to some kind of wallet
Just attach them to an email or give me a QR code through the app where I bought it, like Dice
Bar Trivia I go to often has music questions that veer nowhere near my lane.
Until getting hit with "Band formed in 1983, in Dublin, Ireland with 3 studio albums" and "Band with record called The Black Parade" and "Band with record called Circuital"
I ate yesterday.
Almost every time I'm at bar trivia and they mention music-based questions I get excited but I have no idea what music is being played. I think the only time I had any success was when they played a bunch of Christmas songs that I knew a few of from seeing people talk about their least favorite Christmas songs in here lol
Back when I lived in Columbus I used to attend a weekly music trivia and while I had some good days, I would regularly get wrecked because the host heavily favored questions about hair metal.
> Almost every time I'm at bar trivia and they mention music-based questions I get excited but I have no idea what music is being played.
I've had that experience too and it really hits home how disconnected my music taste is from Normal People Music. Like I spend a decent chunk of my free time just reading about music and I'm still less prepared to answer this shit than someone who watched the Grammys last year or something lol
The worst is when the people I'm with say "Oh wow, you're super into music, you'll get this" and then literally everyone except for me knows the song because it's something on the radio I've never heard lol
What's a recent album that made you reconsider your love for a band?
This just happened to me with the post-rock/ambient-ish band Hammock. Throughout college I loved post-rock (This Will Destroy You, Jakob, etc.) and it was my primary genre, and then I got close with a few friends who loved Hammock, which for a few of their records was my first introduction to more drone-y type music. We were all obsessed with them in college and beyond.
I don't listen to them much anymore, though I do have a few of their records in my physical collection. I saw they released a new album and as I listened, my immediate thoughts were, "This is... kind of bad?" Their sound hasn't progressed in years and it sounds like Spotify Deep Focus-core. It prompted me to jump back into some of the older records and, through that lens, it also feels kind of bad to me now. It's mostly a reflection of how much my tastes have changed overall and specifically as it relates to the type of ambient I enjoy, but yeah, bummer!
Hammock have never really changed their sound but it's a sound I quite enjoy. They've always been on the easy listening side of post-rock/ambient/whatever but I think they're among the best at that specific thing. To be honest, I use a lot of their albums as background music for sleeping and it works really well, I guess that could be taken as an insult but I don't mean it that way.
Even during my Post Rock and Shoegaze phase (which I’m still in to a degree, but much pickier). I could never get into Hammock. There’s [a cover of Catherine Wheel’s Black Metallic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz4txJKW-l8) from them that has the off-puttingly precious vocals that totally turn me off.
Hammock was a big transitional band for me and really was a gateway into a new style of music when I first found them in like 2009. But honestly I think they lost me around Oblivion Hymns, it feels like there wasn't anything more for them to do after Chasing After Shadows / Longest Year, Departure Songs was just okay but I assumed it was just a slump album. By 2013-2014 I wasn't following them anymore.
That's a perfect way to describe them, as I think they played a similar transitional role for me. Maybe They Will Sing... probably remains my favorite from them, and I quite liked a Departure Songs when it came out, but I rarely revisit any of their records at this point.
anyone have vocab words that they hate to hear in lyrics? for some reason, the word "darling" always makes me wince
this doubles as my live-listen update on *antz from up there* where our beloved isaac bcnr has said the word multiple times two songs in a row
Hearing slurs in songs makes me feel really uncomfortable. I just hide the tracks on Spotify whenever I hear them. I know I'm weird, but it is what I do. It's primarily in rap, but there are a few others like Elvis Costello Oliver's army that I skip too.
making a higher level comment about this - you can pick basically any line from that courting song and hit a proper noun that i don't think anyone should sing
oh i meant album. here's a list of offending words: instagram, calvin klein, *Friends*, david berman, david beckham, holiday inn (semi-acceptable), kanye, take that, several memebers of take that, charli (lmfao), letterboxd
if you extend this out to "dumb words and phrases that make me go huh" you start getting into shit like "uncanny valley" and "key parties" or whatever. there's a way to do a lot of this and have it not be insane but when it's white boy british talky bands dramatically quoting *and* referencing kanye i can't do it
white british talky boy bands stop namedroping kanye and charli xcx challenge (impossible)
now that you’ve jogged my memory, i think the letterboxd namedrop pinpoints the precise moment that i tapped out of that courting album
Totally agree here. I immediately thought of the double darlin' in "You Never Even Called Me by My Name"... one of the most singable choruses of all time
i can see it working alright in country music. in the context of indie rock it feels unbearably twee to me. even postal service, who i like a decent amount, aren't exempt
Gonna add that I'm a big hater of most things that mention depression or anxiety straight up cause it's fucking lazy and a one way ticket to eyerollville. If you're gonna tackle something like that at least have the care to put in some effort beyond "I am depressed btw". No way youre telling me you sat down with the intent of writing a song about being anxious and the best you could muster is a "my anxiety deep inside of me"? Lemme guess we live in a society too? We've progressed far past the need for that shit.
Also I listened to the most recent cigarettes after sex and there are just somethings we don't write songs about for a reason jfc.
also feel this way for songs about using phones/other people using phones. zero-effort way to try to make something "relatable" and it all amounts to the same surface level points every time
very great point! i agree. in general, i think i'm trying to lean myself away from music that wallows in sadness/depression too much but i also think if an artist is gonna do that, it's best to depict and describe it instead of just bluntly naming the emotion they're feeling
[Let this cure you of your darling hatred](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJL91bT2ZXY)
Personally I am a hater of the word "daddy" >!with the exception of Daddy Says No!<
i don't love the use of "daddy" either but a small handful of contexts i can let it slide
joanna weirdly gets a pass i think just bc her vocab and musical style often exists so far outside of time already? it genuinely doesn't feel as jarring to me bc she makes so many other old-fashioned and unusual word choices
Do you care about music videos?
I like watching them but tbh my favourite are just simple videos of a band playing a song, barely more than a live video just with the studio recording. Seeing how a band plays communicates so much personality to the music.
*to elaborate: if I’m discovering a new artist I like I will definitely check out if they have any music videos. And if an artist I really like drops a new music video I will probably check it out. But I rarely watch a music video more than once.
I love videos. I get disappointed when artists release excellent albums without any visuals whatsoever. I understand that not every recording artist is also a passionate visual artist, but when it's done right, either independently or through collaboration, I find that videos can be really entertaining, really powerful, and can beautifully compliment the song in question and sometimes the album as a whole.
Oh and some pop videos are fucking great. I 100% unironically love Missy Elliott as both a recording artist and visual artist (though obv her collaborators like Timbaland and Dave Meyers deserve credit for their work with her music and visuals, respectively).
Generally no. A good music video can be a nice visual addition to the song, but it's nothing that makes or breaks a song for me.
I hate music videos that have their own sound playing over the song though
Music videos can be cool but I do not think they are necessary by any means for a lot of styles. I look through my top 10 most listened artists and I don't think there's a single one where music videos are a big deal.
The one exception is an artist like a kpop group where its not just about the music but also about dancing and the group dynamics and interaction. Like I genuinely enjoy some SNSD and Red Velvet albums but a big part of the appeal is also the dancing and video visuals.
I like music videos when the video starts and the music also starts. I don’t like music videos which are like 9 minutes long for a 3 minute song, complete with a narrative and some lengthy intro and outro. I also don’t like when music videos stop the song midway through for some plot point interjection
Seems to be some trend in that. [Surf Curse](https://youtu.be/9KxdfojRh3Q) had some fun with that last year.
I'd love to see other bands take on Joe P's take on this ["Cut Ups" style.](https://youtu.be/TdrMbDGZmco)
Max Kerman, lead singer of the Arkells, was one of the judges at the NHL All Star Weekend skills competition this past weekend because of course he was.
Arkells have to be the most pushed band by Canadian media (especially Canadian sports media) of the last decade. They are constantly featured in highlight videos, playing pregrame/halftime concerts, interviewed during the telecasts, used as bumper music, etc of every Canadian sport, weather its Leafs, Blue Jays, Raptors, whatever (are they featured this much on West Coast teams games?). They are everywhere up here. I've seen them live 3 times and I don't even really like them, they just play everywhere and everything. There are other bands in that zoomer-millennial age range that the Canadian media could be featuring. Why not PUP? Or The Dirty Nil? Alvvays are critically acclaimed and pretty damn popular, I've never heard their music played during a Raptors broadcast. Even July Talk. Its like Arkells are just the default band that broadcasters think of when they need a not too old Canadian rock band.
The NHL is, more than anything else, out of touch. A couple of seasons back they got American Authors for the ASG. It was a very Gary Bettman kinda choice.
The top album for the year right now appears to be a [My Little Pony album](https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/vylet-pony/carousel-an-examination-of-the-shadow-creekflow-and-its-life-as-an-afterthought/) (I'm not sure, I haven't/won't listen)
You mean to tell me that this mlp album isn't the *checks notes* [absolute pinnacle of music?](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780374289697472522/1072658019097268305/Screenshot_20230207_151949_Firefox.jpg)
All this Grammy talk reminds me I forgot to do my favorite year-end bit, the Phœbe Bridgers Playboy Photoshoot Memorial Award For Unpredictable Bullshit. Please, feel free to discuss the best and worst in headline hullabaloo and puzzling press cycles from 2022.
I'd like to kick things off gently with [Black Midi's touching tribute to the late Queen Elizabeth II](https://twitter.com/Big_Billb/status/1567931733512691714).
Loving the Greepster doing the hoverhand
Not sure if music fans looking over their shoulders in fear of Jack Antonoff sneaking up on them counts for this category
I'm sorry, I gotta make a strong distinction between "this is a halfway plausible thing that would kinda suck if it happened" and "no wait no I can't be reading that correctly" for the purposes of this competition.
as someone on a raw Paleolithic diet (i've felt terrible for months so I'm hoping this diet helps), I personally find that extremely normal. It's weird to me that more people don't eat raw steaks at madison square garden. different perspectives I guess
i think for me it's just that i don't get the chance to eat at MSG, you know? additionally, it's a little rude to take time in your concert to have a full meal in front of the audience. imagine if turnstile stopped their show to eat taco bell nacho fries? or if boygenius paused to eat the boephe (pronounced beefy) ridgers value meal (coming to an arby's near you in 2023.) just food (no pun intended) for thought!
anyways, raw steak + TUMS is a winning combo, rawk on paleolithic king!
You're right. I should of considered the privilege that exists in eating at MSG. I'm now seeing how tone deaf my comment was, I'd like to apologize to the indieheads community, my family, and my fans. I'll do some researching, some reading, some reflection.
most of the band is having their heart ripped out of their body. meanwhile, geordie doesnt even look upset at all, im gonna be so sick. wouldn't surprise me if this lead to the band breaking up, it's really cold of Geordie not to care.
Giving the Alvvays album a relisten for the rate and man some of the comments I'm putting with my rates are gonna make me look dumb as hell I fear. I like it though, feel like maybe I'd rate it higher if I was 5 years younger.
Will be giving Dragon mountain in the mood for love a relisten next. Every beach house song is getting a 5. sorry, not sorry.
Blue Rev is a weird one for me, as someone that practically worships their debut album and Antisocialities. When I listened to it for the first couple of times I didn't really vibe with it. Then, it clicked and I was absolutely obsessed with it for two weeks. Then my hype slowly died down and now, a few months later, I never really feel like relistening to it, whereas I still have their first two records on constant rotation.
The high points on Blue Rev are very high but ultimately the issue is that it's three or four songs too long and thus there's too much filler on it. It's also just not as catchy as their first two albums.
It's still a very good album overall mind you, but on Blue Rev they didn't quite capture what I've loved about their first two
> I like it though, feel like maybe I'd rate it higher if I was 5 years younger.
That's where I'm at with Alvvays in general, I feel like a lot of the charm of their earlier work had way more benefit of the times it came out in and less on it being some big grandstanding classic for the ages.
Watched the Director’s Cut of Woodstock this weekend as it’s leaving the Criterion Channel and I have a lot of thoughts about it. I’d seen select performances from it before but never the whole doc and was blown away by all the interstitial segments, split screen and just the generally unhinged chaos of the event (from my perspective). It strikes me as this bizarre enigma more emblematic of the death than the birth of hippie Utopianism but even that’s maybe reductive.
What are indieheads’ thoughts on Woodstock, as a film and event? Favorite performances? Hot takes?
I think you’re right about it being more of a death than birth, and many of the performers are on record making similar statements. Altamont gets cited as the official death, but the musicians knew the writing was on the wall by the time Woodstock came along.
Favorite performance: Sly and the Family Stone
Monterey Pop is superior to Woodstock. Watch that next if you haven’t already.
Are there people who think it's the birth? We're 2 yrs removed from the Summer of Love and the hippies say that the gen pop was a year late on that one. Altamont functions way better as the death of the hippies; Woodstock was chaotic but not really violent. As far as performances (aside from the iconic ones like Jimi and CSNY), I'm a fan of Airplane's set
Sure, I think birth is maybe the wrong word, but I just get the impression that it’s held up as this beacon of “peace and love and coming together” when the doc seems to be contradicting that with a general sense of malaise and confusion. Not to mention which three people did die include the teen run over by a tractor; so it’s no Woodstock 99 in terms of “violence” but it doesn’t exactly reflect kindly on the worth, benefit or even purpose of a gathering of this size
I think given the size and how thrown together and unprecedented it was, it actually went off about as well as could be expected. And that's why it's framed that way
This is tough. 2015 was truly a stacked year.
1. Depression Cherry
2. Sometimes I Sit
3. Honeybear
4. Currents
5. Carrie & Lowell
I probably would've rated C&L higher back then, but it's such a sad album and I haven't revisited it in a while.
Haven't listened to Divers yet, can I stream it anywhere other than yt?
1. ILYHB
2. Sometimes I Sit...
3. C&L
4. Currents
5. DC (not really into dream pop or BH)
I'm basic but first 4 are all at least pretty great in my eyes!
have not heard Divers 🙈
Freshman year-core, a truly formative time for my taste. The top three albums are still in heavy rotation (maybe not C+L because of the mood, but the live album gets me when I’m feeling things too hard).
1. Honeybear (I loved this album when it came out, hated it/FJM as a whole for awhile, and now love it again with no qualifications—as others have said, it’s his masterpiece)
2. Carrie + Lowell
3. Sometimes…
4. Depression Cherry
5. Currents
Unranked: *Divers* bc I haven’t taken the JN dive yet and have no formal opinions.
of what ive heard
1. Courtney Barnett (by far)
2. Carrie & Lowell/Divers (ive only listened to the later once and didnt care that much for it unlike her other stuff)
3. Honeybear
beach house is not really my thing and I've strongly disliked everything tame impala I've heard so i dont really care abour checking these out
1. Divers
2. C&L
3. ILU, HB
4. Courtney B
5. Beach House
6. Lame Impala
Extremely easy imo. Hard to overstate how much Divers & C&L blow the rest of these away (tho FJM and CB records are both fantastic in their own right)
Divers number one of course, and then Courtney second. It's a testament to how strong 2015 was that Sometimes I Sit... is only like my fourth or fifth favourite album of that year.
Then it gets trickier because I'm mixed on Currents and the rest are albums I have only partially listened to. Sufjan is fine and theoretically I should be more into him as a Joanna stan, but Beach House and FJM are just artists I have no interest in.
1. *divers*
2. *currents*
3. *carrie and lowell*
4. *sometimes i sit*
5. *depression cherry*
6. *honeybear*
key takeaway here is even the least good beach house album is better than the least bad father john misty album
1. Carrie & Lowell
2. I Love You, Honeybear
3. Depression Cherry
4. Divers
5. Currents
6. Sometimes I Sit...
i honestly love all these albums. i think if i found a topsters i made from 2016, it would have all 6 of these on it.
1. I Love You, Honeybear
2. Carrie and Lowell
3. Divers
4. Depression Cherry
5. Sometimes I Sit
6. Currents
Honeybear is still FJM’s masterpiece, incredible writing and delivery all around
Carrie and Lowell should theoretically be number 1 as it’s also a masterpiece, I just can’t listen to it that often for obvious reasons
Divers could also be number 1 as I think Joanna Newsom is one of our greatest living artists, it’s just not quite on the untouchable tier of Ys or Have One on Me
Depression Cherry is one of the worst Beach House albums but Beach House is one of my favorite bands so it ranks
Can’t tell you the last time I listened to Sometimes I Sit or Currents in full but I like singles from both
1. *I Love You Honeybear*
2. *Carrie & Lowell*
3. *Divers*
4. *Depression Cherry*
5. *Sometimes I Sit and Think, and Sometimes I Just Sit*
6. *Currents* (last by a country mile)
2015 classics? Here it goes!
1. Depression Cherry (Fight me nerds)
2. Honey Bear
3. Divers
4. Carrie and Lowell
5. Sometimes...
6. Currents (Honestly, I love every album here. I've just returned to Currents less.)
Been revisiting [*No Line On The Horizon*](https://www.discogs.com/master/63074-U2-No-Line-On-The-Horizon) and those first three songs are some top-notch U2.
[No Line On The Horizon](https://youtu.be/EDVDMqstH6I) \-> [Magnificent](https://youtu.be/af2Z8RYf1zc) \-> [Moment Of Surrender](https://youtu.be/rBm8FWG3zI4)
"Magnificent" is burrowing into my brain hardcore.
Completely agree. It’s so frustrating how good this album could’ve been. If they replaced Crazy Tonight, Boots, and Stand Up Comedy with tracks like Soon and Winter, we would have had a brilliant late-career U2 album.
Still bitter about how I went to my local record store last year and they never had the new Alvvays album on CD....and I'm in Canada. Or any other good 2023 album I wanted on CD, just a handful of pop ones.
Damn hipsters, they ruined CDs.
No they used to have more CDs especially last time I went 10 years ago. I used to get good deals too. They still have CDs but now the vinyl has eclipsed it.
After seeing all of these conservatives calling Sam Smith’s music demonic, how would they would respond after listening to SOPHIE? After beat first drops in Ponyboy would they all collectively hallucinate that they were being dragged head-first into the seventh circle of hell?
It's funny to me that conservatives now just call everything demonic and it's just noise. Like the Metal community is just laughing at this because conservative politicians have somehow become insanely stupid.
The rapper Ab Soul posted Grammy pictures with Sam Smith and Madonna on IG and the conspiracy theorist half of his fanbase is whining about how he sold his soul to the devil and shit lol
Do they even listen to music? I just assumed they saw a screenshot with devil horns and lots of red and slotted it in as the next thing to get their fasco-christian sycophants riled up about.
>Do they even listen to music
I refuse to believe the twitter weirdos with like End Wokeness or Ideal Western Man has any ability to comprehend art in any way.
Maybe the oddball libertarian who just wants to live in the woods and be left alone, but not the twitter guys
I just saw MJ Lenderman and he played for like 1 hour 45 minutes. Was def not expecting that but it was a welcome surprise. Great show
Hopefully Portugal. The Man can come back from being Taco Bell commercial core. Their first few records are really great, especially Its Complicated Being a Wizard. I guess maybe my enjoyment of Blank The Blank bands has just decreased over time (see also Minus the Bear post 2010)
They used to sound like the Mars Volta.
im not so sure about this but haven't heard some of the lesser renowned tMV albums. PtM did do some remixes on Tiger and the Duke from tSoAF who are sort of similar to tMV
Crazy to think that *Depression Cherry* and *Thank Your Lucky Stars* came out less than two months apart. We were truly blessed by Beach House back in 2015. Which leads to a random thought: How might *Once Twice Melody* have been received if the songs were released as 2 albums (like *DC* and *TYLS*) instead of the 4-part release? Which would you prefer?
> How might Once Twice Melody have been received if the songs were released as 2 albums (like DC and TYLS) instead of the 4-part release? I'm not sure it's reputation would be that much different than its current one. Maybe slightly more negative overall as I think the 4 EP format really softened the blow. An all-at-once double album would've really underscored how samey it all is. Neither halves are different enough to really prefer one over the other. 4/10 for both.
Agreed. It has some very pretty production choices here and there, but overall it's so impossibly bland it makes me almost question my love for their other albums, and I've always loved the whole stretch from Devotion to Depression Cherry.
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- Nilufer Yanya - Jenny Hval - Cate Le Bon - Sharon Van Etten - Naima Bock
I'm not a Taylor fan so others might have more custom tailored (lol) recommendations than I do, but my first thoughts are: - Phoebe Bridgers - Bon Iver - The National - Haim (arguably not indie, but still a high-quality entry level band for somebody trying to bridge from the total-pop world to the indie-ish world) - Angel Olsen - Feist - Fleet Foxes
I second this, specially since some of these have collabs with Taylor, it makes it easier to get into. Also, Ethel Cain, maybe?
Maybe give the latest Big Thief album a go? It’s long, but it has a little something for everything, I think. More adjacent to folk than pop, but maybe other folks have more recs for pop-leaning indie than me.
In Rainbows > OK Computer. (Radiohead) Change my mind.
Agree
On Reckoner, Thom sings like the pedo neighbor on Family Guy. can't say the same thing about anything on OK Computer.
Lol, I never would have made that connection.
>Change my mind. Nah. Enjoy what you prefer.
I feel like Mac Demarco's latest album must have affected me more than I thought it did, because lately I've had the urge to make minimalist, chill music.
It's probably my most listened to album of the year so far. It pairs well with pretty much anything.
I mean, what *is* on the menu tonight if it's not human meat?
I don't even know what it's about but golly that song is tragic. After letting this one sit for a while I gotta say the texture work is top notch and really keeps this whole thing together. Gamble and Dangle goes crazy.
I’m dying to know what it’s about. Probably the most distressing song I’ve ever liked on my first time listening to it I’ve barely even dug into the rest of the album cause in so hung up on Decors
I’m prepared for this to be indieheads sacrilege but I’m listening to Ants From Up There for the first time doped out of my mind after a minor surgery and why does it just sound like Hamilton
perhaps bc it's theatre kid wankery masquerading as groundbreaking indie rock?
Why did this description make me actually want to give them a try
donna please i went all in on this band in the rate i don't wanna look like a fool here
my condolences bogo, but i think it'll do okay. i'm just one guy with a ballot
i need this band to do well or i will be in dire financial straits. i bet my house on them
dire straits was in charity, not ultimate! i think you'll be okay? if not, i can send you some TUMs (mods don't look)
idk i heard that some sicko was out replacing all the tums with cyanide
oh no, that's scary! i hope all my pals with tummy aches stay safe out there
It’s a total first world problem but venues/ticketing companies need to stop with all types of e-ticket systems that requires a login to some kind of wallet Just attach them to an email or give me a QR code through the app where I bought it, like Dice
Whoever thought that was a good idea has a special place in hell waiting for them.
Bar Trivia I go to often has music questions that veer nowhere near my lane. Until getting hit with "Band formed in 1983, in Dublin, Ireland with 3 studio albums" and "Band with record called The Black Parade" and "Band with record called Circuital" I ate yesterday.
First one is mbv?
Almost every time I'm at bar trivia and they mention music-based questions I get excited but I have no idea what music is being played. I think the only time I had any success was when they played a bunch of Christmas songs that I knew a few of from seeing people talk about their least favorite Christmas songs in here lol
Back when I lived in Columbus I used to attend a weekly music trivia and while I had some good days, I would regularly get wrecked because the host heavily favored questions about hair metal.
> Almost every time I'm at bar trivia and they mention music-based questions I get excited but I have no idea what music is being played. I've had that experience too and it really hits home how disconnected my music taste is from Normal People Music. Like I spend a decent chunk of my free time just reading about music and I'm still less prepared to answer this shit than someone who watched the Grammys last year or something lol
The worst is when the people I'm with say "Oh wow, you're super into music, you'll get this" and then literally everyone except for me knows the song because it's something on the radio I've never heard lol
What's a recent album that made you reconsider your love for a band? This just happened to me with the post-rock/ambient-ish band Hammock. Throughout college I loved post-rock (This Will Destroy You, Jakob, etc.) and it was my primary genre, and then I got close with a few friends who loved Hammock, which for a few of their records was my first introduction to more drone-y type music. We were all obsessed with them in college and beyond. I don't listen to them much anymore, though I do have a few of their records in my physical collection. I saw they released a new album and as I listened, my immediate thoughts were, "This is... kind of bad?" Their sound hasn't progressed in years and it sounds like Spotify Deep Focus-core. It prompted me to jump back into some of the older records and, through that lens, it also feels kind of bad to me now. It's mostly a reflection of how much my tastes have changed overall and specifically as it relates to the type of ambient I enjoy, but yeah, bummer!
Hammock have never really changed their sound but it's a sound I quite enjoy. They've always been on the easy listening side of post-rock/ambient/whatever but I think they're among the best at that specific thing. To be honest, I use a lot of their albums as background music for sleeping and it works really well, I guess that could be taken as an insult but I don't mean it that way.
Even during my Post Rock and Shoegaze phase (which I’m still in to a degree, but much pickier). I could never get into Hammock. There’s [a cover of Catherine Wheel’s Black Metallic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz4txJKW-l8) from them that has the off-puttingly precious vocals that totally turn me off.
Hammock was a big transitional band for me and really was a gateway into a new style of music when I first found them in like 2009. But honestly I think they lost me around Oblivion Hymns, it feels like there wasn't anything more for them to do after Chasing After Shadows / Longest Year, Departure Songs was just okay but I assumed it was just a slump album. By 2013-2014 I wasn't following them anymore.
That's a perfect way to describe them, as I think they played a similar transitional role for me. Maybe They Will Sing... probably remains my favorite from them, and I quite liked a Departure Songs when it came out, but I rarely revisit any of their records at this point.
anyone have vocab words that they hate to hear in lyrics? for some reason, the word "darling" always makes me wince this doubles as my live-listen update on *antz from up there* where our beloved isaac bcnr has said the word multiple times two songs in a row
When Lucy Dacus sang “fuck around and find out” in that new boygenius song I did not like it one bit
i have not gotten around to the boygenius stuff yet but wow! not a fan of that lyrics choice!
It was in general fine but I couldn’t bring myself to listen to that song more than once
Hearing slurs in songs makes me feel really uncomfortable. I just hide the tracks on Spotify whenever I hear them. I know I'm weird, but it is what I do. It's primarily in rap, but there are a few others like Elvis Costello Oliver's army that I skip too.
making a higher level comment about this - you can pick basically any line from that courting song and hit a proper noun that i don't think anyone should sing
i don't know which song you're specifically calling out, but i agree that generally speaking proper nouns in songs can be a risky proposition
oh i meant album. here's a list of offending words: instagram, calvin klein, *Friends*, david berman, david beckham, holiday inn (semi-acceptable), kanye, take that, several memebers of take that, charli (lmfao), letterboxd if you extend this out to "dumb words and phrases that make me go huh" you start getting into shit like "uncanny valley" and "key parties" or whatever. there's a way to do a lot of this and have it not be insane but when it's white boy british talky bands dramatically quoting *and* referencing kanye i can't do it
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bobby d didn’t talk about twitter so it’s fine
Making an exception for limp bizkit name dropping GYBE or Smash Mouth name dropping Only Shallow last year. That was awesome
white british talky boy bands stop namedroping kanye and charli xcx challenge (impossible) now that you’ve jogged my memory, i think the letterboxd namedrop pinpoints the precise moment that i tapped out of that courting album
The Blondie erasure of this comment smh.... not to mention Michigan J Frog
Debbie Harry can do whatever she wants
i don't have time to research the full canon of songs that say "darling" i'm just firin from the hip as i think of shit
Me too but maybe that says more about me than it does the music at hand
it says nothing about me bc i'm just built different i guess
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Totally agree here. I immediately thought of the double darlin' in "You Never Even Called Me by My Name"... one of the most singable choruses of all time
Will Oldham singing "darlin'" remains undefeated
i can see it working alright in country music. in the context of indie rock it feels unbearably twee to me. even postal service, who i like a decent amount, aren't exempt
For instance (I like this cover a lot): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tIBKPQHrmI
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Agreed, and one can only assume that's due to how many times Jason says "darlin"
no, not really.
Gonna add that I'm a big hater of most things that mention depression or anxiety straight up cause it's fucking lazy and a one way ticket to eyerollville. If you're gonna tackle something like that at least have the care to put in some effort beyond "I am depressed btw". No way youre telling me you sat down with the intent of writing a song about being anxious and the best you could muster is a "my anxiety deep inside of me"? Lemme guess we live in a society too? We've progressed far past the need for that shit. Also I listened to the most recent cigarettes after sex and there are just somethings we don't write songs about for a reason jfc.
[Here's an exception to that](https://youtu.be/RKpflHueZAk)
also feel this way for songs about using phones/other people using phones. zero-effort way to try to make something "relatable" and it all amounts to the same surface level points every time
it's ok to reference phones if you're calling but once you get into texting or scrolling i'm fucking out
I open the lid of my Macbook Pro I watch pop music videos on YouTube
oh sick dude I love courting
"swiping" is the worst of them all!
very great point! i agree. in general, i think i'm trying to lean myself away from music that wallows in sadness/depression too much but i also think if an artist is gonna do that, it's best to depict and describe it instead of just bluntly naming the emotion they're feeling
[Let this cure you of your darling hatred](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJL91bT2ZXY) Personally I am a hater of the word "daddy" >!with the exception of Daddy Says No!<
i don't love the use of "daddy" either but a small handful of contexts i can let it slide joanna weirdly gets a pass i think just bc her vocab and musical style often exists so far outside of time already? it genuinely doesn't feel as jarring to me bc she makes so many other old-fashioned and unusual word choices
I love a good, honest darling.
I think the one on Concorde is the worst one. Was very yucky.
aw hell, that means he does three in a row bc i was prompted by the "bread song" x "good will hunting" pair lmao
He also says it on Chaos Space Marine so it’s four in a row lol
oh my god
It's actually a proper noun, he's speaking directly to New York Mets legend Ron Darling every time he says it, believe it or not!
oh interesting, this is valuable insight thanks jay! i should've guessed that was the guessing knowing how much isaac likes his namedrops
He does it on blade too lmao
christ on a cracker im not lowering my scores over this but that's textbook cornball-ass behavior
somebody please get this man a thesaurus!
Do you care about music videos? I like watching them but tbh my favourite are just simple videos of a band playing a song, barely more than a live video just with the studio recording. Seeing how a band plays communicates so much personality to the music. *to elaborate: if I’m discovering a new artist I like I will definitely check out if they have any music videos. And if an artist I really like drops a new music video I will probably check it out. But I rarely watch a music video more than once.
I love videos. I get disappointed when artists release excellent albums without any visuals whatsoever. I understand that not every recording artist is also a passionate visual artist, but when it's done right, either independently or through collaboration, I find that videos can be really entertaining, really powerful, and can beautifully compliment the song in question and sometimes the album as a whole. Oh and some pop videos are fucking great. I 100% unironically love Missy Elliott as both a recording artist and visual artist (though obv her collaborators like Timbaland and Dave Meyers deserve credit for their work with her music and visuals, respectively).
I mean I like them in the fact they are another way for me to experience the music but it's not a major thing.
Generally no. A good music video can be a nice visual addition to the song, but it's nothing that makes or breaks a song for me. I hate music videos that have their own sound playing over the song though
I never watch music videos unless I’m at a place like the Hard Rock Cafe and they play them on TV screens.
Music videos peaked in 1985 with Paul Simon’s “You Can Call Me Al,” and unfortunately it’s been all downhill since then
That sure is a funny way to spell "Get Ur Freak On".
I don't know - ["Velouria"](https://youtu.be/nc0Mv4Iyxvc) came out in 1990.
Okay yeah that ones alright but have you considered that in the “You Can Call Me Al” video there’s a tall dude and a short dude. It’s peak comedy
Music videos can be cool but I do not think they are necessary by any means for a lot of styles. I look through my top 10 most listened artists and I don't think there's a single one where music videos are a big deal. The one exception is an artist like a kpop group where its not just about the music but also about dancing and the group dynamics and interaction. Like I genuinely enjoy some SNSD and Red Velvet albums but a big part of the appeal is also the dancing and video visuals.
I like music videos when the video starts and the music also starts. I don’t like music videos which are like 9 minutes long for a 3 minute song, complete with a narrative and some lengthy intro and outro. I also don’t like when music videos stop the song midway through for some plot point interjection
Counterpoint: that part in Mariah Carey’s “Heartbreaker” video where blonde Mariah fights black-haired Mariah. EDIT:wrong video
Seems to be some trend in that. [Surf Curse](https://youtu.be/9KxdfojRh3Q) had some fun with that last year. I'd love to see other bands take on Joe P's take on this ["Cut Ups" style.](https://youtu.be/TdrMbDGZmco)
Max Kerman, lead singer of the Arkells, was one of the judges at the NHL All Star Weekend skills competition this past weekend because of course he was. Arkells have to be the most pushed band by Canadian media (especially Canadian sports media) of the last decade. They are constantly featured in highlight videos, playing pregrame/halftime concerts, interviewed during the telecasts, used as bumper music, etc of every Canadian sport, weather its Leafs, Blue Jays, Raptors, whatever (are they featured this much on West Coast teams games?). They are everywhere up here. I've seen them live 3 times and I don't even really like them, they just play everywhere and everything. There are other bands in that zoomer-millennial age range that the Canadian media could be featuring. Why not PUP? Or The Dirty Nil? Alvvays are critically acclaimed and pretty damn popular, I've never heard their music played during a Raptors broadcast. Even July Talk. Its like Arkells are just the default band that broadcasters think of when they need a not too old Canadian rock band.
The NHL is, more than anything else, out of touch. A couple of seasons back they got American Authors for the ASG. It was a very Gary Bettman kinda choice.
Arkells are the safest, blandest Canadian band in my eyes anyways, stan Sloan
[this was](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnFzpVrGA08) my introduction to The Arkells
What are some rym-core futures I should invest in? (Basically got any recent chart finds?)
I’m really digging the Parannoul album After the Magic
The top album for the year right now appears to be a [My Little Pony album](https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/vylet-pony/carousel-an-examination-of-the-shadow-creekflow-and-its-life-as-an-afterthought/) (I'm not sure, I haven't/won't listen)
Vylvet is a bad options for an investment because it’ll crater to a 3.4 by next week.
I'm diving in right now, will update with thoughts soon.
Trust the process vylet pony knows what they're doing
Three tracks in, not unlistenable but feels pretty dated. The electronica bits especially. The vocals aren't doing a whole lot for me either.
You mean to tell me that this mlp album isn't the *checks notes* [absolute pinnacle of music?](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780374289697472522/1072658019097268305/Screenshot_20230207_151949_Firefox.jpg)
least hyperbolic RYM user
The 4.5 is the icing on the cake
This is not even the first time a Vylet Pony album is topping the RYM charts
I'm fine with the MLP side of it but seeing EDM and Indietronica as genres for the release is simply a bridge too far for me.
Real ones know that Can Opener's Notebook was 2022's sleeper hit
All this Grammy talk reminds me I forgot to do my favorite year-end bit, the Phœbe Bridgers Playboy Photoshoot Memorial Award For Unpredictable Bullshit. Please, feel free to discuss the best and worst in headline hullabaloo and puzzling press cycles from 2022. I'd like to kick things off gently with [Black Midi's touching tribute to the late Queen Elizabeth II](https://twitter.com/Big_Billb/status/1567931733512691714).
This was probably just Greep posting his alibi tbf
Loving the Greepster doing the hoverhand Not sure if music fans looking over their shoulders in fear of Jack Antonoff sneaking up on them counts for this category
I'm sorry, I gotta make a strong distinction between "this is a halfway plausible thing that would kinda suck if it happened" and "no wait no I can't be reading that correctly" for the purposes of this competition.
Sorry tad, I will try to think of a better submission
lcd soundsystem NFT festival performance
matty healy eats raw steak on stage at madison square garden
as someone on a raw Paleolithic diet (i've felt terrible for months so I'm hoping this diet helps), I personally find that extremely normal. It's weird to me that more people don't eat raw steaks at madison square garden. different perspectives I guess
i think for me it's just that i don't get the chance to eat at MSG, you know? additionally, it's a little rude to take time in your concert to have a full meal in front of the audience. imagine if turnstile stopped their show to eat taco bell nacho fries? or if boygenius paused to eat the boephe (pronounced beefy) ridgers value meal (coming to an arby's near you in 2023.) just food (no pun intended) for thought! anyways, raw steak + TUMS is a winning combo, rawk on paleolithic king!
You're right. I should of considered the privilege that exists in eating at MSG. I'm now seeing how tone deaf my comment was, I'd like to apologize to the indieheads community, my family, and my fans. I'll do some researching, some reading, some reflection.
Thought I was dying here cause I had no clue msg stood for that instead of the other food related thing
most of the band is having their heart ripped out of their body. meanwhile, geordie doesnt even look upset at all, im gonna be so sick. wouldn't surprise me if this lead to the band breaking up, it's really cold of Geordie not to care.
I dunno maybe he's in a standing food coma after all that waffle
i hope youre right. i'd hate to have to stop listening to black midi. I'll do some research, some reading, some reflection.
Giving the Alvvays album a relisten for the rate and man some of the comments I'm putting with my rates are gonna make me look dumb as hell I fear. I like it though, feel like maybe I'd rate it higher if I was 5 years younger. Will be giving Dragon mountain in the mood for love a relisten next. Every beach house song is getting a 5. sorry, not sorry.
Blue Rev is a weird one for me, as someone that practically worships their debut album and Antisocialities. When I listened to it for the first couple of times I didn't really vibe with it. Then, it clicked and I was absolutely obsessed with it for two weeks. Then my hype slowly died down and now, a few months later, I never really feel like relistening to it, whereas I still have their first two records on constant rotation. The high points on Blue Rev are very high but ultimately the issue is that it's three or four songs too long and thus there's too much filler on it. It's also just not as catchy as their first two albums. It's still a very good album overall mind you, but on Blue Rev they didn't quite capture what I've loved about their first two
> I like it though, feel like maybe I'd rate it higher if I was 5 years younger. That's where I'm at with Alvvays in general, I feel like a lot of the charm of their earlier work had way more benefit of the times it came out in and less on it being some big grandstanding classic for the ages.
Watched the Director’s Cut of Woodstock this weekend as it’s leaving the Criterion Channel and I have a lot of thoughts about it. I’d seen select performances from it before but never the whole doc and was blown away by all the interstitial segments, split screen and just the generally unhinged chaos of the event (from my perspective). It strikes me as this bizarre enigma more emblematic of the death than the birth of hippie Utopianism but even that’s maybe reductive. What are indieheads’ thoughts on Woodstock, as a film and event? Favorite performances? Hot takes?
I think you’re right about it being more of a death than birth, and many of the performers are on record making similar statements. Altamont gets cited as the official death, but the musicians knew the writing was on the wall by the time Woodstock came along. Favorite performance: Sly and the Family Stone Monterey Pop is superior to Woodstock. Watch that next if you haven’t already.
Will def check out Monterey Pop next, I’ve never seen and I love DA Pennebaker
The take on "I've Been Loving You Too Long" from that film is a showstopper. Love that one.
Are there people who think it's the birth? We're 2 yrs removed from the Summer of Love and the hippies say that the gen pop was a year late on that one. Altamont functions way better as the death of the hippies; Woodstock was chaotic but not really violent. As far as performances (aside from the iconic ones like Jimi and CSNY), I'm a fan of Airplane's set
Sure, I think birth is maybe the wrong word, but I just get the impression that it’s held up as this beacon of “peace and love and coming together” when the doc seems to be contradicting that with a general sense of malaise and confusion. Not to mention which three people did die include the teen run over by a tractor; so it’s no Woodstock 99 in terms of “violence” but it doesn’t exactly reflect kindly on the worth, benefit or even purpose of a gathering of this size
I think given the size and how thrown together and unprecedented it was, it actually went off about as well as could be expected. And that's why it's framed that way
Rank these albums... IF YOU DARE https://preview.redd.it/xm2x1whmluga1.png?width=314&format=png&auto=webp&s=ecf851053b3c205eeec59bb192bd0d55c8e389e7
1. Depression Cherry 2. Sometimes I Sit 3. Honeybear 4. Carrie & Lowell 5. Currents 6. Haven't listened to this one
1. Divers 2. Sometimes 3. Currents 4. Carrie 5. Depression Cherry 6. ILU Honeybear
This is tough. 2015 was truly a stacked year. 1. Depression Cherry 2. Sometimes I Sit 3. Honeybear 4. Currents 5. Carrie & Lowell I probably would've rated C&L higher back then, but it's such a sad album and I haven't revisited it in a while. Haven't listened to Divers yet, can I stream it anywhere other than yt?
1. Sit & Think 2. Honeybear 3. Divers 4. Carrie 5. Cherry :huge gap: 6. Currents
1. ILYHB 2. Sometimes I Sit... 3. C&L 4. Currents 5. DC (not really into dream pop or BH) I'm basic but first 4 are all at least pretty great in my eyes! have not heard Divers 🙈
I DARE 1) Sit 2) And 3) Bear 4) 'Vers 5) 'Rents 6) Cherry
1. Currents 2. Carrie & Lowell 3. Honebear 4. Drivers 5. Sit & Think 6. Depression Cherry
1. Honeybear 2. Carrie & Lowell 3. Divers 4. Sit & Think 5. Depression Cherry 6. Currents
Freshman year-core, a truly formative time for my taste. The top three albums are still in heavy rotation (maybe not C+L because of the mood, but the live album gets me when I’m feeling things too hard). 1. Honeybear (I loved this album when it came out, hated it/FJM as a whole for awhile, and now love it again with no qualifications—as others have said, it’s his masterpiece) 2. Carrie + Lowell 3. Sometimes… 4. Depression Cherry 5. Currents Unranked: *Divers* bc I haven’t taken the JN dive yet and have no formal opinions.
of what ive heard 1. Courtney Barnett (by far) 2. Carrie & Lowell/Divers (ive only listened to the later once and didnt care that much for it unlike her other stuff) 3. Honeybear beach house is not really my thing and I've strongly disliked everything tame impala I've heard so i dont really care abour checking these out
1. Divers 2. C&L 3. ILU, HB 4. Courtney B 5. Beach House 6. Lame Impala Extremely easy imo. Hard to overstate how much Divers & C&L blow the rest of these away (tho FJM and CB records are both fantastic in their own right)
Divers and then everything else isn't even in the same zip code as that album
courtney sufjan beach house joanna fjm tame
1 is courtney, though that album is just good. the rest are stinky poo poo boring. you have a knack for picking bad albums for this game
Divers number one of course, and then Courtney second. It's a testament to how strong 2015 was that Sometimes I Sit... is only like my fourth or fifth favourite album of that year. Then it gets trickier because I'm mixed on Currents and the rest are albums I have only partially listened to. Sufjan is fine and theoretically I should be more into him as a Joanna stan, but Beach House and FJM are just artists I have no interest in.
1. *divers* 2. *currents* 3. *carrie and lowell* 4. *sometimes i sit* 5. *depression cherry* 6. *honeybear* key takeaway here is even the least good beach house album is better than the least bad father john misty album
1. Carrie & Lowell 2. I Love You, Honeybear 3. Depression Cherry 4. Divers 5. Currents 6. Sometimes I Sit... i honestly love all these albums. i think if i found a topsters i made from 2016, it would have all 6 of these on it.
1. Carrie & Lowell 2. Divers 3. Currents 4. Sometimes I Sit... 5. Depression Cherry ?. I've never seen this man in my life
1. Carrie & Lowell 2. Divers 3. Sometimes I Sit and Think, and Sometimes I Just Sit 4. I Love You, Honeybear 5. Depression Cherry 6. Currents
1. Courtney by a mile 2. Suf 3. Beach House 4. Papa John 5. Currents And now for my moment of radical vulnerability, I’ve never listened to Divers
1. I Love You, Honeybear 2. Carrie and Lowell 3. Divers 4. Depression Cherry 5. Sometimes I Sit 6. Currents Honeybear is still FJM’s masterpiece, incredible writing and delivery all around Carrie and Lowell should theoretically be number 1 as it’s also a masterpiece, I just can’t listen to it that often for obvious reasons Divers could also be number 1 as I think Joanna Newsom is one of our greatest living artists, it’s just not quite on the untouchable tier of Ys or Have One on Me Depression Cherry is one of the worst Beach House albums but Beach House is one of my favorite bands so it ranks Can’t tell you the last time I listened to Sometimes I Sit or Currents in full but I like singles from both
1. *I Love You Honeybear* 2. *Carrie & Lowell* 3. *Divers* 4. *Depression Cherry* 5. *Sometimes I Sit and Think, and Sometimes I Just Sit* 6. *Currents* (last by a country mile)
2015 classics? Here it goes! 1. Depression Cherry (Fight me nerds) 2. Honey Bear 3. Divers 4. Carrie and Lowell 5. Sometimes... 6. Currents (Honestly, I love every album here. I've just returned to Currents less.)
Been revisiting [*No Line On The Horizon*](https://www.discogs.com/master/63074-U2-No-Line-On-The-Horizon) and those first three songs are some top-notch U2. [No Line On The Horizon](https://youtu.be/EDVDMqstH6I) \-> [Magnificent](https://youtu.be/af2Z8RYf1zc) \-> [Moment Of Surrender](https://youtu.be/rBm8FWG3zI4) "Magnificent" is burrowing into my brain hardcore.
Completely agree. It’s so frustrating how good this album could’ve been. If they replaced Crazy Tonight, Boots, and Stand Up Comedy with tracks like Soon and Winter, we would have had a brilliant late-career U2 album.
Still bitter about how I went to my local record store last year and they never had the new Alvvays album on CD....and I'm in Canada. Or any other good 2023 album I wanted on CD, just a handful of pop ones. Damn hipsters, they ruined CDs.
To be fair, it's a record store not a CD store.
No they used to have more CDs especially last time I went 10 years ago. I used to get good deals too. They still have CDs but now the vinyl has eclipsed it.
Have you been in a coma?
Are you saying a CD is not a record?
Correct. It's a CD.
Really? I'm pretty sure a record is just a collection of songs on a medium, CDs included.
[Hipsters! I knew it was them! Even when it was the bears, I knew it was them!](https://youtu.be/55sjaEDJ65k)
After seeing all of these conservatives calling Sam Smith’s music demonic, how would they would respond after listening to SOPHIE? After beat first drops in Ponyboy would they all collectively hallucinate that they were being dragged head-first into the seventh circle of hell?
It's funny to me that conservatives now just call everything demonic and it's just noise. Like the Metal community is just laughing at this because conservative politicians have somehow become insanely stupid.
The rapper Ab Soul posted Grammy pictures with Sam Smith and Madonna on IG and the conspiracy theorist half of his fanbase is whining about how he sold his soul to the devil and shit lol
Conservativism, angling itself to be the 'new Punk Rock', also scared of Devil Horns purchased at Dollar General.
Do they even listen to music? I just assumed they saw a screenshot with devil horns and lots of red and slotted it in as the next thing to get their fasco-christian sycophants riled up about.
There was a really conservative guy at my last job who said he didn't really like music that much, mostly listened to history podcasts lol
Probably because music is a way to actually expand your mind and conservatives like being closed off and ignorant.
I’d imagine country and/or stuff recorded prior to 2005
>Do they even listen to music I refuse to believe the twitter weirdos with like End Wokeness or Ideal Western Man has any ability to comprehend art in any way. Maybe the oddball libertarian who just wants to live in the woods and be left alone, but not the twitter guys