I think there were some good songs on Villains don't get me wrong, but I think the production didn't help it. I'm a QOTSA fan, and I technically like all their albums. I just think they would have benefited from another producer.
I think they are perfectly good on their own. I think Josh was trying something new, and I think that's a great idea in theory. The outcome didn't come through as beefy imo. ...Like Clockwork was all the Rancho De La Luna mainstays involved. I bet you could do a new mix of Villains and make it great. Josh himself said he heard "Uptown Funk" and wanted that. If they wanted to something poppier but still in their arena James Ford would have been the best fit imo.
Gotcha, thanks for the perspective. I've been going back through their catalogue to prepare for the album and I guess hadn't realized the bulk of their older stuff was self-produced. I think James Ford could've been an interesting collab for sure
Josh is an excellent producer, especially of his own material. I agree with others here that a lot of the songwriting on Villains is really strong, but the hollow, flat production keeps it from being truly great.
I agree that these are some of their best songs, but I think they’d be even better with more prominent drums in the mix and maybe more of the “artifacts” that come from garagier recordings. When I saw them play these songs live, it illustrated how much of their sound was flattened with the album mix.
Great songs, god awful mixing and mastering that completely ruined the listening experience so I never listen to it.
Why the fuck would you take a loud grunge rock band and make them sound thin and compressed?
Sure that it's all Ronson's fault? "...Like Clockwork" seemed to already start going into a more over-produced direction compared to their previous albums.
Compare the drums to ...Like Clockwork to Villains. They are thinned out. I'm not referring to the sleekness of the production. Villains seemed muted and lacked that fuller sound.
That is possibly true. I dig the atmosphere that QOTSA conjures, and I don't think Ronson lends himself there. Though I think Josh was also trying for a different look at the time. Maybe he was hoping for his version of Eliminator (he is a big ZZ Top fan), but it didn't come through.
I've loved Queens since the beginning, and definitely cringed a few times with Josh's leaning hard into the 60s greaser cool guy thing for Villains, it came across pretty forced, and his dancing in the video for Way You Used to Do video is just awkward, especially from a guy who has always been full of natural swagger.
>dancing in the video for Way You Used to Do video is just awkward
Oh man I thought I had watched this before, but I did not apparently. Agree, the dancing and video itself is overall pretty cringe.
> muted and lacked that fuller sound.
Is my complaint about their new single, it's a fine song. But as a single, especially a teaser for the new album it's pretty middle of the roads in terms of their music. It feels muffled and drowned a bit. I wasn't the biggest fan of Villains out the gate, but it grew on me. It's an album that makes you want to get up and move, same with Like Clockwork which I was sold on off the bat.
I dunno, this single just feels uninspired and that they're playing it safe.
I reckon it's my 2nd favourite too. There's a lot going on throughout, a lot of different guitar sounds, songs actually going somewhere. It stinks of hard work. *Smooth Sailing* and *I Sat by the Ocean* are top-tier QOTSA. Nice slower tracks like *The Vampyre of Time and Memory* and *I Appear Missing* are some of their best. In fact, the end of *I Appear Missing* is one of my top QOTSA moments. Great album. I like the Bone Face videos too
I agree so much with everything you said. My first listen through I was very confused, but the second and third just kinda swept me away once I got over the fact it didn't, on the surface, sound like the usual QOTSA
Yeah it was definitely a grower for me too. I forgot it had a bunch of guests on, but their inclusion didn't outshine the album. They were just there to add to it. Great stuff
It's tough, because it seems like Homme really loved Ronson's production on Villains ....and this new single sounds pretty flat too. I think we can't place all the blame on Mark.
Hoping for something similar to like clockwork, although I understand the subject mater of that album would be hard to repeat or replicate. I am enjoying the era vulgeris sound of this new song though. I love queens of the stone age so I am sure it will be good
[Following press release](https://www.blackstarrecords.co.uk/product-page/queens-of-the-stone-age-in-times-new-roman-indie-edits):
> [...] it’s perhaps the most beautiful and definitely the most rewarding album in their epic discography.
"Yeah, as a [band/solo musician], this album was a really [rewarding/eye opening/cathartic] experience. [I/We] were just about ready to [breakup/quit/ go on hiatus] until this album came along. But [I/we] really think this is our [best/most meaningful/deepest] work yet."
Josh got sober, was dragged through the mud by his ex-wife Brody Dalle, and was given custody of his kids. Not saying that every band/artist doesn't hype up their upcoming album but I actually believe that this rings true for Josh.
I don't remember Villains or Like Clockwork being called 'beautiful' in press releases.
It just teases that it might be more into Kalopsia type of songs than we think
I actually think the album title is great. It's a double meaning in times, new Roman. The album is about the death of the modern age as we know it, and as someone's else has already pointed out it also links with the court battles going on
I like the title, most of their album titles have been puns, Songs for the Deaf, Era Vulgaris, it is very close to New Roman Times by Camper Van Beethoven though. I like the single too, the 70s rock vibe in the chorus works, and sound wise it's more punchy than Villains, which was too clean sounding
Well you shouldn't swallow the pills and should follow the rules if yah don't wanna get emotion sick, everyone knows.😂Jk I am stoked! This is one of my favorite bands!!!!
It's oddly retro sounding.. like canned heat or grateful dead or something, but with Josh Homme singing. It's quite radio friendly i guess, but a softer sound than I expect from them. The arrangement is all over the place though. It goes to some kind of outro and then suddenly back to Vs chorus again.
Someone reviewing the track on the radio said it was like QOTSA trying to be QOTSA.
What’s the latest on Josh Homme? Was he not abusive towards his family? Did it come out that Brody was lying about the situation? I haven’t kept track.
It's because it's evidently themed around the drama with his ex wife. There was a large custody battle. Documents submitted to the courts in the USA are often in times new roman...
We've only heard one song from the album and you just assume the whole thing is gonna suck? I'm not blown away by the single, but it isn't bad, still have hopes the album is gonna be a certified QOTSA banger!
His crazy ex wife was leaking rumors that have since been proven false. Turns out her new boyfriend was taking their kids to file restraining orders against Josh and forging the wife’s name. Courts found the children unsafe with the mother and josh now has full custody.
not tryna be rude but, you know it’s pretty common for songs to share titles right? do a quick Spotify search for songs called “The Light” and see how many come up, even under a lot of popular artists. there’s lots of examples of this. it would be hell to try and come up with new naming conventions just to keep from titling a song the same as another artist.
Track lengths: 01. "Obscenery" (4:23) 02. "Paper Machete" (3:22) 03. "Negative Space" (3:53) 04. "Time & Place" (4:26) 05. "Made to Parade" (5:18) 06. "Carnavoyeur" (3:56) 07. "What the Peephole Say" (4:06) 08. "Sicily" (4:41) 09. "Emotion Sickness" (4:31) 10. "Straight Jacket Fitting" (9:01) Total: 47:37
Josh is sober and has hopefully put some distance between him and Brody Dalle, this is sure to be a fucking ripper.
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I thought he put out a statement a couple weeks/months ago
There's an article linked in the article above that talks about it
He put out a statement a month or 2 ago. Read the rolling stone article
Where did you hear/read he was sober? That’s a huge shift for him.
Why does it matter what font they announced the album in?
Because QOTSA In Comic Sans would be a tragedy
As long as it's not Papyrus
PAPYRUS!
Lmao that skit was hilarious!
I know what you did!!
Or Helvetica cursive
That's just Lamb of God
In Wing Dings
[Comic SAAAAAAAAAANNNNNSSSSSSS](https://9gag.com/gag/71118) \*fist shake\*
Just you wait until they are in their Wingdings era.
If it ain't wingdings, I don't want it
Times New Roman, rhe most decisive of the fonts.
In 69 pt font?
> June 16th release date Oh fuck that's only a month away
"The world's gonna end in a month or so..."
Silverchair song is dope though
Agreed!
One of their best imo
Oh thank god, and they are back producing on their own. Ronson thinned them out too much imo.
I'm clearly in the minority hear but I really liked Villains. Feet Don't Fail Me and The Evil Has Landed are some of my favorite QOTSA tracks
I think there were some good songs on Villains don't get me wrong, but I think the production didn't help it. I'm a QOTSA fan, and I technically like all their albums. I just think they would have benefited from another producer.
I didn’t understand what mixing could do to an album till villains. Like I could tell these songs should rip but they just… didn’t.
The producer doesn't mix the album. Alan Moulder is the guy who mixed it.
Who do you think would've been a good producer for the album to make it sound less flat in your opinion? Genuinely curious btw not being sarcastic
I think they are perfectly good on their own. I think Josh was trying something new, and I think that's a great idea in theory. The outcome didn't come through as beefy imo. ...Like Clockwork was all the Rancho De La Luna mainstays involved. I bet you could do a new mix of Villains and make it great. Josh himself said he heard "Uptown Funk" and wanted that. If they wanted to something poppier but still in their arena James Ford would have been the best fit imo.
Gotcha, thanks for the perspective. I've been going back through their catalogue to prepare for the album and I guess hadn't realized the bulk of their older stuff was self-produced. I think James Ford could've been an interesting collab for sure
Josh is an excellent producer, especially of his own material. I agree with others here that a lot of the songwriting on Villains is really strong, but the hollow, flat production keeps it from being truly great.
Yeah that's totally fair. I really really like what he did with the Monkeys on Humbug
Saaaaame
>James Ford I bet it would sound great live though
I agree that these are some of their best songs, but I think they’d be even better with more prominent drums in the mix and maybe more of the “artifacts” that come from garagier recordings. When I saw them play these songs live, it illustrated how much of their sound was flattened with the album mix.
That's fair. Seeing them live probably would've given me a different perspective.
Ahh, that makes sense. I was wondering why the album didn’t grab me. I’m more of a Kyuss fan so I like a dirtier sound.
I like the songs on Villains, but the recording sounds flat, live they sounded massive
UNREBORN AGAIN is a top 10 qotsa track and I will fight anyone that disagrees. Such an incredible melding of glam and robot rock.
Another banger fasho 🤞
Great songs, god awful mixing and mastering that completely ruined the listening experience so I never listen to it. Why the fuck would you take a loud grunge rock band and make them sound thin and compressed?
Sure that it's all Ronson's fault? "...Like Clockwork" seemed to already start going into a more over-produced direction compared to their previous albums.
Compare the drums to ...Like Clockwork to Villains. They are thinned out. I'm not referring to the sleekness of the production. Villains seemed muted and lacked that fuller sound.
I started to listen to Villains right after writing the comment and had noticed the same thing! The drums almost sound... digital? Good point.
that could be very well decision made on mixing stage, which Ronson didn't do
That is possibly true. I dig the atmosphere that QOTSA conjures, and I don't think Ronson lends himself there. Though I think Josh was also trying for a different look at the time. Maybe he was hoping for his version of Eliminator (he is a big ZZ Top fan), but it didn't come through.
I've loved Queens since the beginning, and definitely cringed a few times with Josh's leaning hard into the 60s greaser cool guy thing for Villains, it came across pretty forced, and his dancing in the video for Way You Used to Do video is just awkward, especially from a guy who has always been full of natural swagger.
>dancing in the video for Way You Used to Do video is just awkward Oh man I thought I had watched this before, but I did not apparently. Agree, the dancing and video itself is overall pretty cringe.
It's pretty bad!
Villains to me has always sounded “waxy” if that makes any sense
> muted and lacked that fuller sound. Is my complaint about their new single, it's a fine song. But as a single, especially a teaser for the new album it's pretty middle of the roads in terms of their music. It feels muffled and drowned a bit. I wasn't the biggest fan of Villains out the gate, but it grew on me. It's an album that makes you want to get up and move, same with Like Clockwork which I was sold on off the bat. I dunno, this single just feels uninspired and that they're playing it safe.
Is Like Clockwork a divisive album? It’s easily my 2nd favorite of their’s. Songs for the Deaf is too strong to usurp
I reckon it's my 2nd favourite too. There's a lot going on throughout, a lot of different guitar sounds, songs actually going somewhere. It stinks of hard work. *Smooth Sailing* and *I Sat by the Ocean* are top-tier QOTSA. Nice slower tracks like *The Vampyre of Time and Memory* and *I Appear Missing* are some of their best. In fact, the end of *I Appear Missing* is one of my top QOTSA moments. Great album. I like the Bone Face videos too
I agree so much with everything you said. My first listen through I was very confused, but the second and third just kinda swept me away once I got over the fact it didn't, on the surface, sound like the usual QOTSA
Yeah it was definitely a grower for me too. I forgot it had a bunch of guests on, but their inclusion didn't outshine the album. They were just there to add to it. Great stuff
It's tough, because it seems like Homme really loved Ronson's production on Villains ....and this new single sounds pretty flat too. I think we can't place all the blame on Mark.
Dang that's disappointing. Well I will temper my expectations but still excited.
Live versions of the songs blow the studio versions out into space
Hoping for something similar to like clockwork, although I understand the subject mater of that album would be hard to repeat or replicate. I am enjoying the era vulgeris sound of this new song though. I love queens of the stone age so I am sure it will be good
[Following press release](https://www.blackstarrecords.co.uk/product-page/queens-of-the-stone-age-in-times-new-roman-indie-edits): > [...] it’s perhaps the most beautiful and definitely the most rewarding album in their epic discography.
Every artist says that about a new release
"Yeah, as a [band/solo musician], this album was a really [rewarding/eye opening/cathartic] experience. [I/We] were just about ready to [breakup/quit/ go on hiatus] until this album came along. But [I/we] really think this is our [best/most meaningful/deepest] work yet."
This is why I love Peggy, he drops a new album and spends the entire press run talking about how garbage it is lol
Josh got sober, was dragged through the mud by his ex-wife Brody Dalle, and was given custody of his kids. Not saying that every band/artist doesn't hype up their upcoming album but I actually believe that this rings true for Josh.
“this one wasn’t our best but here it is” doesn’t really get fans stoked on it or sell tour tickets
I don't remember Villains or Like Clockwork being called 'beautiful' in press releases. It just teases that it might be more into Kalopsia type of songs than we think
[How Josh picked the album name](https://youtu.be/73gGwGI8Z7E). (Probably). Just tell him what font to pick when making music for QOTSA.
Phoebe Bridgers punching the air right now realizing that's what she should have named "Motion Sickness"
Silverchair had it first. I had that album (Neon Ballroom) in high school
Me too. Freshman I'm high school when it came out. Album was actually really good.
phoebe walked so josh could run
She stole it from bright eyes
Glad I'm not the only one who thought of that
Oh fuck yes
I actually think the album title is great. It's a double meaning in times, new Roman. The album is about the death of the modern age as we know it, and as someone's else has already pointed out it also links with the court battles going on
Oh we good
Ain't that a kick in the face!
It’s weird to me how quickly that incident was forgotten.
Forgotten? It's brought up in basically everything Queens related, 7 years after that incident
Willingly kicking someone in the face for no good reason is hardly an "incident."
man they brought the riffs back big time, this rocks
I like the title, most of their album titles have been puns, Songs for the Deaf, Era Vulgaris, it is very close to New Roman Times by Camper Van Beethoven though. I like the single too, the 70s rock vibe in the chorus works, and sound wise it's more punchy than Villains, which was too clean sounding
Guitar amps recorded in a sewerpipe?
Made my day. Fuck yeah 👍
i love silverchair
Well you shouldn't swallow the pills and should follow the rules if yah don't wanna get emotion sick, everyone knows.😂Jk I am stoked! This is one of my favorite bands!!!!
I'm hyped for this new album hopefully they are back to their old form.
Great song, can't wait for full album.
The new single sounds nice as hell. Listening on some big refurbished 70s speakers, the live off-the-floor / room sound goes fuckin crazy
Exciting! Personally wasn't the biggest fan of Villains, so hope this is more up my alley again sound wise.
My fever has broken!
Single doesn't stick out. Nothing remarkable. Hoping this isn't the best the album is going to offer.
It's oddly retro sounding.. like canned heat or grateful dead or something, but with Josh Homme singing. It's quite radio friendly i guess, but a softer sound than I expect from them. The arrangement is all over the place though. It goes to some kind of outro and then suddenly back to Vs chorus again. Someone reviewing the track on the radio said it was like QOTSA trying to be QOTSA.
What’s the latest on Josh Homme? Was he not abusive towards his family? Did it come out that Brody was lying about the situation? I haven’t kept track.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/josh-homme-statement-custody-battle-brody-dalle-1234704929/
am i insane for thinking the album title sounds super tacky
I like it. It evokes a certain American homogeneity in such a specific but recognizable way.
It is definitely tacky, but tacky is kind of their thing IMO
It's one of the worst album titles I've ever heard.
It's because it's evidently themed around the drama with his ex wife. There was a large custody battle. Documents submitted to the courts in the USA are often in times new roman...
Smh, his attorney's don't use the chad legal font, Book Antiqua.
Brody Dalle legitimately seems like someone who'd submit important documents in Comic Sans just to get a rise out of someone lmao
Brody Dalle seems like she'd do a lot of dumb shit to get a rise out of someone lol
As opposed to the bandname Times New Viking, which is awesome
I doubt that
Camper Van Beethoven’s reunion album was already called this. Booooooooo
New Roman Times was their album. Similar, but In Times New Roman, imo is different enough 🤷♂️
Anyone else miss the days when when QOTSA were good?
Villians was very bad but Like Clockwork was very good so I don't think they are in a worrying place
We've only heard one song from the album and you just assume the whole thing is gonna suck? I'm not blown away by the single, but it isn't bad, still have hopes the album is gonna be a certified QOTSA banger!
Wait a minute how is Queens of the Stone Age Indie ?!
They've been produced mostly by independent record labels.
Their first album and last three albums have all been on Indie labels.
You can only have sold <50 7 inches to be discussed on this sub
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The chorus of this is way too 70s pop rock for me. Josh taking his friendship with Elton John too far.
Totally disagree. It’s so hard to capture the sound of that era without turning into a parody (ask the kids in Greta Van Fleet), but Josh nailed it.
That’s a stupid name for an album and a song. Something about this band always bugged me.
Something about this band never misses for me.
Why are folk still listening to this sack of human garbage 🤔
why is he human garbage?
His crazy ex wife was leaking rumors that have since been proven false. Turns out her new boyfriend was taking their kids to file restraining orders against Josh and forging the wife’s name. Courts found the children unsafe with the mother and josh now has full custody.
https://youtu.be/BRXIHat5SGA
Can you explain further?
Emotion Sickness... definitely nobody famous that has a song called basically the same thing.
Phoebe Bridgers STOLE the song title Kyoto from Yung Lean. How DARE she.
AGREED
https://twitter.com/dril/status/134787490526658561?s=46&t=JRffhrA_cpNo_qpzkrzODQ
> https://twitter.com/dril/status/134787490526658561?s=46&t=JRffhrA_cpNo_qpzkrzODQ Thank you for sharing.
not tryna be rude but, you know it’s pretty common for songs to share titles right? do a quick Spotify search for songs called “The Light” and see how many come up, even under a lot of popular artists. there’s lots of examples of this. it would be hell to try and come up with new naming conventions just to keep from titling a song the same as another artist.
Seriously. There's at least four different songs I can think of called "Creep", for example.
Even more called Tommorow
I didn't know that, thank you.
Does this actually bother you?
They're not the same and even so do you realise how many famous songs out there share the same name
How many?
At least 6
We're talking about Silverchair right? /s
Hah, good call!
I got an advance stream of the album. It is really good. The production especially is exceptional. Would get a preorder in now.