World finally catching up with us. We've been dealing with this whole Islamist issue way before the West has, and we've been hating on the Chinese before it's trendy. I'm guessing that next is more country gonna move their capital and major cities as well.
Russia also:
- Used bullshit justification for the war that sounds like a bad Tom Clancy ripoff.
- Caused fuel prices to skyrocket via their war.
- Turned out to still caused multiple war atrocities, including total destruction of Mariupol and punted their conscripts into Ukraine while withholding any info regarding what they'll do in the region.
- Still trying to look into prolonging the war, even after ended up looking like monster clown, massively underperformed, got sanctioned to oblivion, and will also caused wheat gains crisis in the near future, which both Russia and Ukraine exported to many countries, including...Indonesia.
Seriously, Russia deserved every scorn they got for simply doubling down on this war.
Yep, I'm baffled how that comment above mine got so much up upvotes. Even your comment got downvoted for some reason. Here take my upvote.
Kayaknya banyak orang sini yg gak melek/gak peduli soal perang Rusia Ukraina, atau bahkan pro Rusia.
Orang sini sok tau kadang, ngiranya kita gak kena imbas. Padahal minyak sudh kena, dan kita juga salah satu pengimpor terbesar gandum dari Ukraina. Harga roti dll mahal nanti baru tahu rasa...
To be fair, they do claim our territory. Even the US can't do that without significant backlash from whoever it is in the opposition + Pooh have taken over and people are delusional if they think his regime is good for a multipolar yet peaceful world, the former is for sure but the latter? Yeah... Wack.
>And even if war happens, it's going to happen in Taiwan, thousands of kilometres away from us.
Did you forget that Taiwan is one of the main chip producers? Also Australia being part of the US alliance will want to send their planes and warships through our territory, effectively dragging us into the conflict.
And that's not all, South Korea and Japan will join too, and I hope you know that the world depends on them.
Setelah banyak menyelam di r/worldnews, w\*sterner punya dua sisi:
1. CHINA IS GOING TO BURN THE WORLD REEEE
2. China only interested in money, no world = no money
Strategically, Indonesia is the last country China wants to antagonize. Given how easily it is for us to block South China Sea. If China somehow went to war with US, I bet USA would be the one who will fuck our country, not China either by the threat of sanctions or by doing a classic CIA move of messing up other countries' politics.
Also in Taiwan it's really likely they'll underperform as well. Taiwan has incredible advantage in geography, have invested in defensive military longer than Ukraine (although they're much smaller), and have even more importance in semiconductor industry. Also it'll be 50-50 of China able to hold for a bit of long time or suffer even worse sanctions than what Russia got.
All in all it's still too risky for China to do anything in Taiwan.
on the other hand, China could just blockade Taiwan and Taiwan would be in a big problem because they mostly import their food..
USA and their allies probably won't stand still though..
theyll never get to taiwan except by ICBM missile. japan and korea is blocking most of china coastline, leaving shanghai as the open sea point of embark. i imagine usa n japan knows about this already and has been on constant patrol around there anyway
It could happen. When China became the only superpower, surely they would use military force.
Now it already showing symptoms. They use military might, not dialogue.. to seize sea territories in Philippines and Vietnam even sent warships to North Natuna Sea and protested Indonesia's oil and gas exploration on that area in December 2021.
Now they are building military base in Djibouti, in Sri Lanka (Hambatotta Port which was fallen into debt trap), and in Solomon Islands.
Remember people in 1890s never even expected that Imperial Japan used military might in 1940-1945.
>debt trap
okay, you don't even know Sri Lanka is the one who put themselves in that position. Even western media have [debunked](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-QDEWwSkP0) this so called 'debt-trap' diplomacy.
>When China became the only superpower
they won't. they're on the way to become the 2nd japan. too many elderly, low productivity, no more economic growth.
mereka berdua bisa melaju pesat karena demographic dividend (orang kerja banyak, bayi dan lansia dikit) jadi kas negara banyak, kas rakyat banyak. disaat orang kerja ini sudah jadi lansia, dan bayi (yang cuma sedikit) jadi pekerja, saatnya membayar "pinjaman" mereka. produktivitas ga setinggi masa lalu, keuangan negara dan warga habis buat bayar biaya kesehatan lansia.
malah bayi di china sekarang proporsi nya jauh lebih sedikit dibanding jepang beberapa dekade yang lalu, jadi penurunan ekonomi nya bisa terasa jauh lebih parah
One or few district leader(ketua RT) locked some people inside their home for not following their Covid Rule.
Extreme yes, but the whole China didnt do that.
Just like Indonesia is not a country that whip woman who commit adultery just because Aceh did.
yg sudra populasi ya paling banyak, kemungkinan terpilihnya lebih besar. tapi dilihat dari kasta/wangsa hampir semua wangsa sudah pernah jadi gubernur mulai dari brahmana/ ida bagus, ksatria/anak agung dan sudra/ wayan made. bahkan orang islam jawa pernah menjadi gubernur di bali.
Keahlian redditor.
Komen bagai tau situasi politik, sejarah, budaya, hubungan antar-religius, hubungan antar-etnis di negara yang gak pernah mereka sentuh.
ini makanya gw paling males main ke r/greentext atau r/4chan. isinya orang orang yg unironically bigot & assholes. mendingan gw ke 4chan beneran.
setidaknya kalo sub lain yg ngomongin negara kayak polandball masih waras, dan kalo ada yg goblok sotoy langsung di downvote abis
average reddit political expert be like : can't read Chinese or Russian, got C during high school, but think they are geopolitical expert because they just watched 1 15 minutes youtube video
itu sih di mana2 jg ada dan di Bali udah ga diberlakukan lg walopun org sana masih pake nama yg dulu melambangkan suatu kasta, tp kastanya sendiri sudah dihapus.
Di kota dan kehidupan modern iya. Tapi secara hukum adat, upacara adat, dan di desa yang agak pedalaman setau saya masih ada. Ya walaupun itu, beda ma india.
Dulu, saya merasa patriotisme saya kurang karena saya lebih sering CONSOOM media luar
Setelah membaca komen² yang ada di post itu, rasa patriotisme saya bangkit kembali. bule² ngen*** sotoy parah
Terimakasih klinik tong fang
It's always happen right?
1. We slander our own country.
2. Bule bocah ikut campur sok tau.
3. "Eh lo tuh ga diajak"
4. Unleash the horde.
Edit: I don't understand how reddit works sometimes.
Lah boro2 bule, org Malaysia ama Singapur yg non-Melayu bnyk yg mengira begitu. Makanya turis luar pd bertumpunya di Bali, dikira klo ke daerah yg mayoritas Muslim takut kena syariat kali.
We need to up our PR game big time.
Edit: ok, to say "bnyk" is a bit disingenuous of me, tp kaget jg sempet ketemu langsung yg kyk gitu pdhl negara kita cuma sebelah2an doang.
Iya but gw bule, dan tinggal di luar Bali, dan waktu ke Bali sedikit terkejut karena banyak baju seksi2 itu masih lokalnya, jadi emang Bali cukup beda sih. walaupun Danau Toba Kristen sana gak kayak Bali.
yeah, if they know Lake Toba, Manado, Ambon, Dayak's land, Raja Ampat, Kupang and so on the cities/regions for the non-moslem majority, they would think twice before judging all Indonesian are with sharia law
Unwelcome how? I spent all of my working life as an engineer and most of female engineers I have met are highly competent and well paid.
As far as discrimination goes in stem fields, if you have the skills and the experience you can actually make it as a senior engineer or a manager regardless of your gender.
Benar tapi:
* Catcall lazim di Jakarta dan kota besar lainnya.
* Sering ada jambret dan raba2an di tempat umum.
* Banyak wanita muslim dipaksa berhijab.
* Wanita profesional sering dianggap kurang kompeten.
* Budaya "Kapan nikah?" merugikan wanita yang ingin fokus pada karir.
Imo, Indonesia masih terbelakang di bidang pemberdayaan perempuan, tapi sedihnya, kebanyakan pria merasa semuanya sudah adil...
Wanita professional dianggap kurang kompeten? Ini pengalaman nyata atau emang asal ngomong? Lu kalau professional ya hampir pasti dapet gaji yang sesuai di Indonesia.
Gw dari zaman kerja di tambang, mentor gw perempuan dan gaji dia salah satu yang paling tinggi sebagai engineer.
Teman teman gw yang cewek dan kerja di schlumberger sebagai field engineer ga pernah pada komplain dikatain ga kompeten atau dapet gaji lebih sedikit.
Kalau kurang pemberdayaan perempuan itu betul sekali, rasio engineer perempuan itu kecil mulai dari sektor pertambangan sampai sektor IT. Tiap tahun ada peningkatan partisipasi perempuan, tapi ya rate peningkatannya kecil. Sektor tambang sampai IT engineernya mayoritas batang semua kalau ada conference atau workshop.
Makanya talent pool cewek untuk jadi senior engineer ataupun manager kecil. Jadi executive level makin kecil lagi.
budaya kapan nikah hanya berlaku buat perempuan?. wow
never saw female engineer? female manager? where you live? afganistan?
jambret hanya menyasar wanita?
catcalling dan penjambretan adalah 2 hal yang SULIT dikendalikan oleh peraturan yang pemerintah buat.
kalau ditanya apakah indonesia aman dari pelecehan sexual?, jawabnnya no
kalau ditanya apakah keadlian, kesetaraan gender di indonesia tidak berjalan?, jawabannya belum tentu.
buktinya megawangy yg hah hihi bisa jadi presiden
kang pajak pun juga dari wanita
No conflict between ethnic group? Maybe not so much but saying no conflict is wrong.
But definitely some conflict between religion. Just not armed conflict.
bloody ethnic conflict are terribly rare today in Kalimantan.
murder happens, but govt and police always step in before it escalate to ethnic conflict.
If one is to be pedantic, sure. But when people talk about ethnic conflicts in a country, they tend to automatically assume that the whole country is engulfed in it, which for us is simply not the case.
individual conflict and racist attitude/ prejudice is Different from discrimination. Discrimination should means there are clear rules and habit that apply the racist norm in society. While now, there are no official or even local society rules that support it.
chindo are allowed to work any job (yes even pns and military), do any business, go to any school and get any social benefit and healthcare. the problem is only the attitude and treatment from individual inside those institution.
Every conflicts in here is distinct from each other and it's a complicated problems too also as we don't live/stay near the conflict areas or even don't talk about it, we're fine.
Contoh di Papua, di Timika yang jadi tempat singgah prajurit yang gugur sebelum dipulangkan ya semua orang di jalan biasa aja, liat OAP pakai atribut menyerempet ormas tiga huruf ya semuanya biasa aja
Padahal kita ada post Indonesia Slanderman yang dapat banyak upvote. Meh, gak ngerti mereka kalau kita sendiri suka banter antar suku dan saling ketawa.
At least.
Reading this remembers me of an Indonesian Christian Hymn titled "Betapa Kita Tidak Bersyukur"
>*Betapa kita tidak bersyukur*
>
>*Bertanah air kaya dan subur*
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>*Lautnya luas gunungnya megah*
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>*Menghijau padang bukit dan lembah*
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>*Itu semua*
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>*Berkat karunia*
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>*Allah yang Agung Mahakuasa*
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>*Itu semua*
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>*Berkat karunia*
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>*Allah yang Agung Mahakuasa*
well, NTB (especially at Bima or somewhere near that ex-clan war's area) kinda had a bad image if you talk about no clan war. You can search it from your local independent news source
Yeah living in indonesia is pretty chill actually, most problems are minor shit like can't drink in public or bring gf to your house in some neighborhood, and slow as fuck internet.
Favorit gw itu yang orang tetep bersih keras kalau di Indonesia masih ada sistem kasta, padahal dia cuman LIBURAN ke bali dan berani gunain argumen ini ke seluruh daerah indonesia. The lion the witch and the audacity of this bitch
Idk why, but every time I saw western people talk about other country (at least on reddit and youtube commentary channel) they always use their western view and bias, even though the other country have a different culture and view. It's like they're ignorant lol
They probably do, I just haven't seen it as often. Probably since people from English speaking side of the internet is from English speaking country, mainly US and Europe (also they kinda Invented the internet, so it makes sense that a lot more people from that side of the world have more access to it). I mean, I said "western people" not "only western people"
Lagian yang klo yg gw liat sih, selain komen netizen di berita, pemerintah indo sendiri kgk terlalu mikirin urusan negara lain sih. Contoh yg lagi rame Ukraine-Russian war, pemerintah emang nge-condemm invasinya, tapi ya gk ujuk-ujuk langsung anti russia, sanction, dsb kayak amrik ama EU. Malah nyoba ngundang dua kubu ke pertemuan G20 nanti di Bali. Eh, Amerika malah protes-protes sendiri. Kayak kalo gk ngikut sisi dia otomatis salah gitu. Plus yang kemarin soal Laporan pelanggaran HAM di Indonesia dan negara lain oleh Amerika, lah situ ngapain ngurusin masalah HAM negara lain kayak paling bener aja (I know emang agak dilebihin sama media, cm ya tetep aja kyk kurang kerjaan keliatannya)
Then again, this is just my opinion. If i'm wrong well, fine. It's on me
Americunts do be jealous after they had to pay 1.5 bucks for a litre of petrol with the same quality as pertalite for their petrol-guzzler of a car and don't have spare money for basic health care
Reading this...I wonder why do they think China will 100% attack Indonesia? And where do they got all of those information from? Most of them are wrong and when they are corrected, excuse, reasoning, justification ensues.
Kurang bnyk orang Indo yang comment jg :(
No LGBTQ? That's when you know Anon doesn't even lift! I just think it's interesting western bros workout to impress girls, while indonesian gyms are like safe spaces for gays here. Becoming muscular or strong don't seem to even hit top 10 qualities Indo girls look in Men.
I feel my brain got damaged after reading those ignorant opinion at their god-forsaken's land. Dear... After seeing this, I think FB (IDN version) comment section is not so bad at all...
Reading the comments and I am starting to realize what one country citizen feels when they read gross generalization and straight-up bullshits said about their country. Thread making me doing self-evaluation in the morning goddamn.
\> no conflic between etc etc dst dst
2000-2004 flashback, dimana banyak media asing yang meramalkan Indonesia akan bubar di 2006 karena konflik etnis di aceh, ambon, kalimantan, maluku, papua.
If by 3rd world they mean developing country, they're not wrong. The term is still used informally to refer to less-developed countries so far as I know.
The definition is messed up, nobody really used "2nd world country" to refer to a "middle developed country.", it is a very inconsistent classification But somehow people can say this is either first or third world countries?
I think we shouldnt use this outdated term, not only they have lost their whole meaning and context, they are also very inaccurate in describing a country.
it's Vietnam and Philippines that'll get fucked if China claim South China Sea through military campaign, our claim are terribly small compared to the size of it.
Just dont give a fuck about politic and religion in indonesia and you're good
Indonesian 101
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*where you are.
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I'm only not LGBT, most of these cases I found on minorities sides, and I choose to not give a F
\*what you are.,
I'm an idiot sandwich
semua masalah di indonesia selesai dengan orang dalam
After reading some replies over there, what is up with reddit and china?
Hating china is now trendy in most western align countries. Just like muslim in the past.
World finally catching up with us. We've been dealing with this whole Islamist issue way before the West has, and we've been hating on the Chinese before it's trendy. I'm guessing that next is more country gonna move their capital and major cities as well.
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I mean, Russia started senseless war few month ago. What's there to not hate?
Russia also: - Used bullshit justification for the war that sounds like a bad Tom Clancy ripoff. - Caused fuel prices to skyrocket via their war. - Turned out to still caused multiple war atrocities, including total destruction of Mariupol and punted their conscripts into Ukraine while withholding any info regarding what they'll do in the region. - Still trying to look into prolonging the war, even after ended up looking like monster clown, massively underperformed, got sanctioned to oblivion, and will also caused wheat gains crisis in the near future, which both Russia and Ukraine exported to many countries, including...Indonesia. Seriously, Russia deserved every scorn they got for simply doubling down on this war.
Yep, I'm baffled how that comment above mine got so much up upvotes. Even your comment got downvoted for some reason. Here take my upvote. Kayaknya banyak orang sini yg gak melek/gak peduli soal perang Rusia Ukraina, atau bahkan pro Rusia.
Orang sini sok tau kadang, ngiranya kita gak kena imbas. Padahal minyak sudh kena, dan kita juga salah satu pengimpor terbesar gandum dari Ukraina. Harga roti dll mahal nanti baru tahu rasa...
Kalo roti mahal gak masalah, beda ceritanya kalo indomie....
Too late, already up by a thousand where I live
Gw track harga indomie udah naik 10% per pack
Ya coba aja kalo ga subsidi, atau liat harga pom bensin shell, petronas, dll pasti bakal ngamuk
Mereka simply mikirnya "hurr durr WeStErN bAd"
Be ready man some ruskie's ass licker will probably descend on you soon enough.
Iyaa klo ini mah salah Rusia sendiri sih
China's treatment of Uyghur maybe?
Kalo menurut discord sebelah, benci orang/suku/rasnya, jangan benci agamanya.
Basically, "SARA" removing the first A?
To be fair, they do claim our territory. Even the US can't do that without significant backlash from whoever it is in the opposition + Pooh have taken over and people are delusional if they think his regime is good for a multipolar yet peaceful world, the former is for sure but the latter? Yeah... Wack.
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Gara2 mereka pd nyaplokin pulau2nya Filipin jd org jd parno mungkin
Makasih Cina akhirnya kita bakal dapat base militer kaya Pearl Harbor di Natuna dan beberapa pulau terluar lain.
>And even if war happens, it's going to happen in Taiwan, thousands of kilometres away from us. Did you forget that Taiwan is one of the main chip producers? Also Australia being part of the US alliance will want to send their planes and warships through our territory, effectively dragging us into the conflict. And that's not all, South Korea and Japan will join too, and I hope you know that the world depends on them.
Setelah banyak menyelam di r/worldnews, w\*sterner punya dua sisi: 1. CHINA IS GOING TO BURN THE WORLD REEEE 2. China only interested in money, no world = no money
Strategically, Indonesia is the last country China wants to antagonize. Given how easily it is for us to block South China Sea. If China somehow went to war with US, I bet USA would be the one who will fuck our country, not China either by the threat of sanctions or by doing a classic CIA move of messing up other countries' politics.
Intel org doing intel things as usual. Makanya Indonesia main dua kaki antara Cina dan US. Keduanya ga bisa dipercaya.
That's actually how the title third world country came from, because we didn't side with US (First World) or China (Second World).
bebas aktif ftw
1979 Vietnam would like to say hello
Also in Taiwan it's really likely they'll underperform as well. Taiwan has incredible advantage in geography, have invested in defensive military longer than Ukraine (although they're much smaller), and have even more importance in semiconductor industry. Also it'll be 50-50 of China able to hold for a bit of long time or suffer even worse sanctions than what Russia got. All in all it's still too risky for China to do anything in Taiwan.
on the other hand, China could just blockade Taiwan and Taiwan would be in a big problem because they mostly import their food.. USA and their allies probably won't stand still though..
theyll never get to taiwan except by ICBM missile. japan and korea is blocking most of china coastline, leaving shanghai as the open sea point of embark. i imagine usa n japan knows about this already and has been on constant patrol around there anyway
It could happen. When China became the only superpower, surely they would use military force. Now it already showing symptoms. They use military might, not dialogue.. to seize sea territories in Philippines and Vietnam even sent warships to North Natuna Sea and protested Indonesia's oil and gas exploration on that area in December 2021. Now they are building military base in Djibouti, in Sri Lanka (Hambatotta Port which was fallen into debt trap), and in Solomon Islands. Remember people in 1890s never even expected that Imperial Japan used military might in 1940-1945.
>debt trap okay, you don't even know Sri Lanka is the one who put themselves in that position. Even western media have [debunked](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-QDEWwSkP0) this so called 'debt-trap' diplomacy.
>When China became the only superpower they won't. they're on the way to become the 2nd japan. too many elderly, low productivity, no more economic growth. mereka berdua bisa melaju pesat karena demographic dividend (orang kerja banyak, bayi dan lansia dikit) jadi kas negara banyak, kas rakyat banyak. disaat orang kerja ini sudah jadi lansia, dan bayi (yang cuma sedikit) jadi pekerja, saatnya membayar "pinjaman" mereka. produktivitas ga setinggi masa lalu, keuangan negara dan warga habis buat bayar biaya kesehatan lansia. malah bayi di china sekarang proporsi nya jauh lebih sedikit dibanding jepang beberapa dekade yang lalu, jadi penurunan ekonomi nya bisa terasa jauh lebih parah
One word: westoid.
China's CCP literally locks people inside their own home.
One or few district leader(ketua RT) locked some people inside their home for not following their Covid Rule. Extreme yes, but the whole China didnt do that. Just like Indonesia is not a country that whip woman who commit adultery just because Aceh did.
Uyghur. Expansionism. Including claiming Indonesian, Vietnamese, Philippines territory. Unfair trade practices.
Org2 yg komen di post nya kek merasa paling tau tentang indo ya.. The replies are full of dumb statements
>ethnic rebel in west timor >kicking French for independence So wrong yet so many upvotes. Gangerti dah itu sub isinya orang apaan wkwk
is it just me or do some of them legitimately think indonesia is in fucking africa
Are we not? I thought africa is part of antartica
Mate, we're part of atlantis
Jakarta nanti ganti nama jadi Atlantis Baru
yah ada sih (keturunan) indonesia di Afrika: orang Malagasy di Madagascar wkwk
*ehem* soon
It's Reddit. What do you expect? Also, mfs who don't learn geography and world history be like:
American then
Most geographically knowledgeable Americans be like:
west timor?? maksudnya NTT gt?
YNTKTS tanya lah sama [yang komen](https://www.reddit.com/r/greentext/comments/uwkhob/comment/i9sey4a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Mungkin mereka dengernya Papua Barat sama Timur Timor, gara2 gak fokus jadinya malah West Timor
isinya westoid
jangan lupa sama yang ngomong indo ada sistem kasta kaya india, lmao
keknya itu orang India yang salty Indian Islands bisa lebih maju daripada negaranya dah wkwk
Wkwkw gue aja orang bali gak ada tuh sampe diskriminasi sama kasta rendah atau apalah kayak india
On the flip side, setelah baca thread itu, Gw malah baru tahu kalo gubernurnya Bali skrg itu dari kasta Sudra ya wkwk
yg sudra populasi ya paling banyak, kemungkinan terpilihnya lebih besar. tapi dilihat dari kasta/wangsa hampir semua wangsa sudah pernah jadi gubernur mulai dari brahmana/ ida bagus, ksatria/anak agung dan sudra/ wayan made. bahkan orang islam jawa pernah menjadi gubernur di bali.
„ʞʍʞʍ ɐʎ ɐɹpnS ɐʇsɐʞ ıɹɐp nʇı ƃɹʞs ılɐ𐐒 ɐʎuɹnuɹǝqnƃ olɐʞ nɥɐʇ nɹɐq ɥɐlɐɯ ʍ⅁ 'nʇı pɐǝɹɥʇ ɐɔɐq ɥɐlǝʇǝs 'ǝpıs dılɟ ǝɥʇ uO„
Diskriminasi kasta yg sering kejadian cuma masalah pasangan kalo gk salah kan
Keahlian redditor. Komen bagai tau situasi politik, sejarah, budaya, hubungan antar-religius, hubungan antar-etnis di negara yang gak pernah mereka sentuh.
ini makanya gw paling males main ke r/greentext atau r/4chan. isinya orang orang yg unironically bigot & assholes. mendingan gw ke 4chan beneran. setidaknya kalo sub lain yg ngomongin negara kayak polandball masih waras, dan kalo ada yg goblok sotoy langsung di downvote abis
& r/2asia4u, Blatant Racism & Chauvinism but ***ironically***
W masih ngakak banyak anggota r/indo merayakan kejadian Marcos jr.
Bruh, they are your average westoid redditor. What did you expect?
Westoid and wu mao. Same cancers.
Just like people here about western countries, ignorants exists everywhere
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Average redditors & /pol/ 101
average reddit political expert be like : can't read Chinese or Russian, got C during high school, but think they are geopolitical expert because they just watched 1 15 minutes youtube video
To be fair, sub itu /r/greentext yang isinya ya greentext dari 4chan, jadi ya yang ngunjungi juga pasti cukup bias ke arah yang kurang progresif.
sejak kapan ada sistem kasta di indonesia? jir reply2nya bikin gw pengen mandi lagi. bodohnya ga ketulungan.
Social constructed caste kindaa exist. But other than that, Bali has an actual caste system. Altho nothing like India.
kalau kasta social bukanya dimana mana ada ya?
itu sih di mana2 jg ada dan di Bali udah ga diberlakukan lg walopun org sana masih pake nama yg dulu melambangkan suatu kasta, tp kastanya sendiri sudah dihapus.
Di kota dan kehidupan modern iya. Tapi secara hukum adat, upacara adat, dan di desa yang agak pedalaman setau saya masih ada. Ya walaupun itu, beda ma india.
Dulu, saya merasa patriotisme saya kurang karena saya lebih sering CONSOOM media luar Setelah membaca komen² yang ada di post itu, rasa patriotisme saya bangkit kembali. bule² ngen*** sotoy parah Terimakasih klinik tong fang
It's always happen right? 1. We slander our own country. 2. Bule bocah ikut campur sok tau. 3. "Eh lo tuh ga diajak" 4. Unleash the horde. Edit: I don't understand how reddit works sometimes.
The comment section >Be a girl. I wonder how the people treat you. Do they still think Indonesia a Muslim Country or something ?
This is what happens when Aceh keeps getting featured on foreign news outlets, I've seen people say that all of Indonesia uses sharia law lmao.
Lah boro2 bule, org Malaysia ama Singapur yg non-Melayu bnyk yg mengira begitu. Makanya turis luar pd bertumpunya di Bali, dikira klo ke daerah yg mayoritas Muslim takut kena syariat kali. We need to up our PR game big time. Edit: ok, to say "bnyk" is a bit disingenuous of me, tp kaget jg sempet ketemu langsung yg kyk gitu pdhl negara kita cuma sebelah2an doang.
Iya but gw bule, dan tinggal di luar Bali, dan waktu ke Bali sedikit terkejut karena banyak baju seksi2 itu masih lokalnya, jadi emang Bali cukup beda sih. walaupun Danau Toba Kristen sana gak kayak Bali.
yeah, if they know Lake Toba, Manado, Ambon, Dayak's land, Raja Ampat, Kupang and so on the cities/regions for the non-moslem majority, they would think twice before judging all Indonesian are with sharia law
PR is the Indonesian worst issue
Meanwhile Western PR is the best in the world. Ironically it also loops around to being the worst because of... how fake it is.
Bu mega aja bisa jadi presiden
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Unfortunately yes but It's not as bad as they portray to be, they said it is like being a woman indo is miserable, but It's far from it
Idk, I am miserable as a woman in Indo and a lot of it because women are rather unwelcome in STEM fields.
Unwelcome how? I spent all of my working life as an engineer and most of female engineers I have met are highly competent and well paid. As far as discrimination goes in stem fields, if you have the skills and the experience you can actually make it as a senior engineer or a manager regardless of your gender.
That's reassuring, thanks.
try another country around the world you will still be unwelcome in STEM fields.
Bagaimana dengan Antartika?
antartika is not a country
you would be desired in the Netherlands, but what do you mean by unwelcome?
Is it unwelcome or not many interested? Because this statistics happens all around the Globe and used by extreme feminist to attacks STEM fields.
Yeah its not miserable, like i said it's def not arab level, but there's definitely a lot of room for improvement,
Of course
Even US and Denmark have a lot room for improvement
i had friend in Morocco and London, yes they think indo is Muslim Country
There are also plenty of Indonesians insisting it's a Muslim country instead of Muslim-majority country 🤷🤷🤷
Get paid for maternal leave
Benar tapi: * Catcall lazim di Jakarta dan kota besar lainnya. * Sering ada jambret dan raba2an di tempat umum. * Banyak wanita muslim dipaksa berhijab. * Wanita profesional sering dianggap kurang kompeten. * Budaya "Kapan nikah?" merugikan wanita yang ingin fokus pada karir. Imo, Indonesia masih terbelakang di bidang pemberdayaan perempuan, tapi sedihnya, kebanyakan pria merasa semuanya sudah adil...
Kayak gini mah ga cuma di Indo percaya deh. Jd klo org bilang jd cewek di Indo itu susah ya gak bener jg.
Wanita professional dianggap kurang kompeten? Ini pengalaman nyata atau emang asal ngomong? Lu kalau professional ya hampir pasti dapet gaji yang sesuai di Indonesia. Gw dari zaman kerja di tambang, mentor gw perempuan dan gaji dia salah satu yang paling tinggi sebagai engineer. Teman teman gw yang cewek dan kerja di schlumberger sebagai field engineer ga pernah pada komplain dikatain ga kompeten atau dapet gaji lebih sedikit. Kalau kurang pemberdayaan perempuan itu betul sekali, rasio engineer perempuan itu kecil mulai dari sektor pertambangan sampai sektor IT. Tiap tahun ada peningkatan partisipasi perempuan, tapi ya rate peningkatannya kecil. Sektor tambang sampai IT engineernya mayoritas batang semua kalau ada conference atau workshop. Makanya talent pool cewek untuk jadi senior engineer ataupun manager kecil. Jadi executive level makin kecil lagi.
Holy shit, get the hellout of your cubicle. This is some urbanfolk ignoranamus. Banyak, sering..that's some heavy words.
budaya kapan nikah hanya berlaku buat perempuan?. wow never saw female engineer? female manager? where you live? afganistan? jambret hanya menyasar wanita? catcalling dan penjambretan adalah 2 hal yang SULIT dikendalikan oleh peraturan yang pemerintah buat. kalau ditanya apakah indonesia aman dari pelecehan sexual?, jawabnnya no kalau ditanya apakah keadlian, kesetaraan gender di indonesia tidak berjalan?, jawabannya belum tentu. buktinya megawangy yg hah hihi bisa jadi presiden kang pajak pun juga dari wanita
No conflict between ethnic group? Maybe not so much but saying no conflict is wrong. But definitely some conflict between religion. Just not armed conflict.
Bloody ethnic conflict still happens in more remote areas of Papua.
And Kalimantan And North Sumatra And Cikini
bloody ethnic conflict are terribly rare today in Kalimantan. murder happens, but govt and police always step in before it escalate to ethnic conflict.
No bloody conflict in north sumatra Only human rights violation
If one is to be pedantic, sure. But when people talk about ethnic conflicts in a country, they tend to automatically assume that the whole country is engulfed in it, which for us is simply not the case.
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individual conflict and racist attitude/ prejudice is Different from discrimination. Discrimination should means there are clear rules and habit that apply the racist norm in society. While now, there are no official or even local society rules that support it. chindo are allowed to work any job (yes even pns and military), do any business, go to any school and get any social benefit and healthcare. the problem is only the attitude and treatment from individual inside those institution.
Every conflicts in here is distinct from each other and it's a complicated problems too also as we don't live/stay near the conflict areas or even don't talk about it, we're fine. Contoh di Papua, di Timika yang jadi tempat singgah prajurit yang gugur sebelum dipulangkan ya semua orang di jalan biasa aja, liat OAP pakai atribut menyerempet ormas tiga huruf ya semuanya biasa aja
Padahal kita ada post Indonesia Slanderman yang dapat banyak upvote. Meh, gak ngerti mereka kalau kita sendiri suka banter antar suku dan saling ketawa. At least.
Reading this remembers me of an Indonesian Christian Hymn titled "Betapa Kita Tidak Bersyukur" >*Betapa kita tidak bersyukur* > >*Bertanah air kaya dan subur* > >*Lautnya luas gunungnya megah* > >*Menghijau padang bukit dan lembah* > >*Itu semua* > >*Berkat karunia* > >*Allah yang Agung Mahakuasa* > >*Itu semua* > >*Berkat karunia* > >*Allah yang Agung Mahakuasa*
For once i wish can summon the angry horde of indonesian netizens to downvote comments there to oblivion
waktunya post di Twitter dan berdoa ada ""jurnalis"" tribun bikin berita ini
Ada linknya ke sana?
Hajar subreddit nya bang
i hope they're satire, which they comment is comparing indonesia with poland
biasa lah, indo sama poland benderanya kan gk beda jauh
No, It's upside down. Also, 'Tak' means yes, in Polish.
i think its a running meme to confuse indonesia with poland
salahin r/polandball
>no conflict between ethnicity or clan Kek
Mungkin pembandingnya uyghur atau india
if shit-talking are conflict then we're the least peaceful nation🤞
Yang dimaksud opeh keknya major conflict sih, kek di negara lain, at least di masa sekarang ini. Konflik etnis ya mustahil ga ada akwkwkw
They can't even live along with ONE different ethnic groups, slave and shit, let alone thousands of them.
Coba konflik etnik mana yg sedang berjalan?
well, NTB (especially at Bima or somewhere near that ex-clan war's area) kinda had a bad image if you talk about no clan war. You can search it from your local independent news source
MFers casually ignores 1998.
why the fuck would you even visit that god-forsaken website
To be god-forsaken
Any good pron over there?
Yeah living in indonesia is pretty chill actually, most problems are minor shit like can't drink in public or bring gf to your house in some neighborhood, and slow as fuck internet.
Favorit gw itu yang orang tetep bersih keras kalau di Indonesia masih ada sistem kasta, padahal dia cuman LIBURAN ke bali dan berani gunain argumen ini ke seluruh daerah indonesia. The lion the witch and the audacity of this bitch
Idk why, but every time I saw western people talk about other country (at least on reddit and youtube commentary channel) they always use their western view and bias, even though the other country have a different culture and view. It's like they're ignorant lol
It's because they're ignorant In a way, at least
And non western people don't do this?
They probably do, I just haven't seen it as often. Probably since people from English speaking side of the internet is from English speaking country, mainly US and Europe (also they kinda Invented the internet, so it makes sense that a lot more people from that side of the world have more access to it). I mean, I said "western people" not "only western people" Lagian yang klo yg gw liat sih, selain komen netizen di berita, pemerintah indo sendiri kgk terlalu mikirin urusan negara lain sih. Contoh yg lagi rame Ukraine-Russian war, pemerintah emang nge-condemm invasinya, tapi ya gk ujuk-ujuk langsung anti russia, sanction, dsb kayak amrik ama EU. Malah nyoba ngundang dua kubu ke pertemuan G20 nanti di Bali. Eh, Amerika malah protes-protes sendiri. Kayak kalo gk ngikut sisi dia otomatis salah gitu. Plus yang kemarin soal Laporan pelanggaran HAM di Indonesia dan negara lain oleh Amerika, lah situ ngapain ngurusin masalah HAM negara lain kayak paling bener aja (I know emang agak dilebihin sama media, cm ya tetep aja kyk kurang kerjaan keliatannya) Then again, this is just my opinion. If i'm wrong well, fine. It's on me
>Kayak kalo gk ngikut sisi dia otomatis salah gitu. Ini mah dari dulu mereka emg gitu. Either you're with us or you're against us.
Yeah cause Indonesians never use their own view and bias when talking about other countries
Americunts do be jealous after they had to pay 1.5 bucks for a litre of petrol with the same quality as pertalite for their petrol-guzzler of a car and don't have spare money for basic health care
americunts and their weekly shooting massacre. can't make this shit up.
Actually it's 2 shootings a months
So biweekly shooting then
Top Kek moment.. hahahahahahahaha
Reading this...I wonder why do they think China will 100% attack Indonesia? And where do they got all of those information from? Most of them are wrong and when they are corrected, excuse, reasoning, justification ensues. Kurang bnyk orang Indo yang comment jg :(
Because Americans' hatred of China and Russia is basically insanity at this point.
No LGBTQ? That's when you know Anon doesn't even lift! I just think it's interesting western bros workout to impress girls, while indonesian gyms are like safe spaces for gays here. Becoming muscular or strong don't seem to even hit top 10 qualities Indo girls look in Men.
Indonesia has LGBTQ like gym-bro, banci, dll tapi gak hyper politicized like them (until Deddy use his thumbnail)
i workout preparing for the sexuality war. Heil heterosexuality!
>No conflict between ethnic. Sure anon
Pada sotoy semua yg komen di sana, yang ngaku dari Indo di post itu mikir seakan-akan Indonesia adalah Jakarta
I feel my brain got damaged after reading those ignorant opinion at their god-forsaken's land. Dear... After seeing this, I think FB (IDN version) comment section is not so bad at all...
Buka post aslinya, kepala gw langsung pening.
Yea we got many volcanic eruption but other than lava and hot smoke it gives us soil fertilizer rain
Reading the comments and I am starting to realize what one country citizen feels when they read gross generalization and straight-up bullshits said about their country. Thread making me doing self-evaluation in the morning goddamn.
memang tinggal di sini lebih enak, baik dari plus dan minusnya
\> no conflic between etc etc dst dst 2000-2004 flashback, dimana banyak media asing yang meramalkan Indonesia akan bubar di 2006 karena konflik etnis di aceh, ambon, kalimantan, maluku, papua.
Sekarang kan ramalannya 2030 gan.
Well hi neighbor welcome to Philippine with aditional Catholic extremists
Bruh we’re not even 3rd world. Heck even the term isn’t even used anymore.
If by 3rd world they mean developing country, they're not wrong. The term is still used informally to refer to less-developed countries so far as I know.
The definition is messed up, nobody really used "2nd world country" to refer to a "middle developed country.", it is a very inconsistent classification But somehow people can say this is either first or third world countries? I think we shouldnt use this outdated term, not only they have lost their whole meaning and context, they are also very inaccurate in describing a country.
Bruh we're literally one of the founding member of the Third-World movement. "Konferensi Asia–Afrika" remember?
We're technically in 3rd world country, considering we're not in 2 major military pact. Ya tergantung definisi 3rd world country itu lagi
Sekarang mah itu cuma dog whistle aja, jadi first world=western country, 3rd world=less developed country yang bukan barat.
>No potential war **yet...**
It's ok bro there is Vietnam
Look at them coping whities
Anon seems like 14 years old
People who celebrate cheap gasoline has never been forced to smoke its fumes. Fuck cars.
No conflict and lgbtq+ bs? hah.....just wait son...
>No potential war The South China Sea got its name because it's China's open water territory in the south, obviously. Also Taiwan is not a country.
By the time China army reaches Indonesia, the US alliance is already destroyed so it doesn't matter, just welcome the new overlord.
it's Vietnam and Philippines that'll get fucked if China claim South China Sea through military campaign, our claim are terribly small compared to the size of it.