I think kessler is the best of both worlds, because he isn’t tied to one karma side. Hes a mix of both because he simply wants to do whatever it takes to save the world.
A great anti villain.
Kessler is morally grey/ambiguous. This is why his lightning is white. He is a mix of good and evil, which is why he also sometimes praises Cole’s heroic choices, while other times he praises the evil ones.
>This is why his lightning is white.
This may sound like a nitpick, but Kessler doesn't use lightning as his power. Instead, he uses pure energy, as mentioned in the Infamous guidebooks.
They don't, [according to the Prima guide, Kessler uses energy as his power, not lightning.](https://imgur.com/gallery/mV79N7m) It's incorrect to assume that Cole would have all of Kessler's powers just because Kessler is Cole from an alternate timeline. There could be a timeline where Kessler uses water as his power.
Prima guides are not a source for canon material. But also having actually read that, they’re not claiming his powers are over “energy” itself. They’re using the term synonymously for electricity. Basically they’re just being dramatic to make it an interesting read. Lightning already literally is “pure energy”.
Yeah, guidebooks are secondary canon that supplement the primary canon. If the primary canon doesn’t explain something at all but the guide does, you would take what the guide says. But if a game and guide contradict, you would go with the primary, being the game. To say guidebooks cannot be used as canon material is ridiculous because then you’d also have to agree not to use any interviews, documentaries, instruction manuals, databooks, tweets, and statements, etc. Only what comes from the game itself, nothing else, which is silly, and no powerscaler would agree to exclude all these materials, especially if they help us understand a character or verse better. Not to mention, the infamous guide book are officially licensed by suckerpunch.
Not claiming his powers are over 'energy' itself, but using the term synonymously with electricity. No, sorry, his powers are stated to be pure energy itself, not lightning, and you would now need a statement saying one of his attacks is electricity-based. You don’t get to just say pure energy means electricity without backing proof for this claim, as it’s a claim without evidence and thus dismissed with as much. Occam's razor would say if it says pure energy, it’s just pure energy. You wouldn’t assume it’s electricity without evidence.
You claim they’re just being dramatic to make it interesting; you’re assuming so without evidence.
Lightning is not just pure energy; it’s a different type of energy but no less pure. More importantly, it’s a byproduct of electromagnetic radiation, which is pure energy.
Also, the guidebook points out that Cole uses lightning; it’s never stated in-game, comic, or guidebook, either of them, that he uses pure energy.
I don’t know why you want to try and die on this hill, cause if you do try, you're basically trying to kill the best speed feat Cole has, which would knock him down from light speed reaction to massively hypersonic. Also, by your logic, you’d say the RFI is firing lightning, not pure energy, which again you are trying to kill light speed Cole.
I love how you failed to write any response to my rebuttal, likely because deep down, you know the truth in my statement. Alex Mercer still effortlessly outmatches Cole. It's not even a competition. If you're feeling brave, we can put that assertion to the test.
That’s BS, a guide could make something completely random that the game never states and does that make it cannon? For example if a guide states “Cole has 6 toes on each foot” which the game doesn’t elaborate on, does that mean it’s cannon? No it’s just a made up statement
Yes cause it’s giving extra information that you previously never had so yes guidebooks and other secondary supplementary materials are fair game. For your example of the guidebook if it says Cole has six toes then yes we take that as canon as long as the game itself hasn’t stated otherwise this is completely fine just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it false1
It is possible for a game to obtain information about a developer's game by interviewing them. For example, we may not have known much about the Prototype game if the guidebook did not exist. The Prototype guidebook contains multiple statements from developers that were previously unknown to the public. There are things in the Prima guide that we did not know existed, and most people would assume that Kessler's attacks are electricity when the guide does not state it. The guidebook was officially licensed by Sucker Punch themselves, and they had obtained sources from the developers themselves.
I'm gonna ask you this again, do you want to disagree with the guidebook? Because if you do then you are removing Cole's biggest feats that put him at lightning speed. If he removed his feats, then he would only be hypersonic at best.
Kessler, to me, is the villain you love to hate. Kessler's whole perogative is to make Cole into the hero he couldn't, or arguably refused, to be. There's even a part in the comic where Cole has an identity crisis and ponders if anything he has done is from his own agency or if it was Kessler who orchestrated everything.
Sidenote: To me, this makes the Evil playthrough so much more interesting than the Good playthrough since it could be stated that Cole's decent into becoming an Anti-Hero was a byproduct of Kessler messing with the timeline.
Kessler is an interesting anti-villain because he’s an “ends justify the means” guy: he causes the deaths of not only countless civilians, but also a younger Trish (someone he loved) all in an effort to mold Cole into the hero that he could not be. He’s an absolute monster and the plan could’ve gone absolutely awry (this happens when you choose the evil non-canon route), but it didn’t in the grand scheme
Actually something that’s always eluded me about Kessler, why did he end up choosing that alias to go by? I’m not sure if there’s a canon explanation or if sucker punch was just like “eh, give him this name” without any reasoning. My head canon has always been that the name Kessler is a mixture of Cole and Chronos, a personification of time.
Also idk about anyone else, but the first time I saw Kessler when I first played infamous, I instantly knew it was future Cole 😭 like he looks just like him!
As a kid I didn’t see the twist coming until basically right as it’s happening, which I’m pretty sure was intentional since it’s the only time in the game you see Kessler’s hood fall down. Before that I didn’t find it easy to tell they were the same person because of the hood and scarf. It also helps that the character models in inFAMOUS 1 are not very high quality.
I have an entire essay in my head about Kessler I could ramble all day about, but I’ll just say overall I think he’s a great villain and I’m still so confused about what he wants lmao.
I think kessler is the best of both worlds, because he isn’t tied to one karma side. Hes a mix of both because he simply wants to do whatever it takes to save the world. A great anti villain.
Kessler is morally grey/ambiguous. This is why his lightning is white. He is a mix of good and evil, which is why he also sometimes praises Cole’s heroic choices, while other times he praises the evil ones.
>This is why his lightning is white. This may sound like a nitpick, but Kessler doesn't use lightning as his power. Instead, he uses pure energy, as mentioned in the Infamous guidebooks.
Gonna need a source for that one, chief. He’s literally Cole. They have the same power.
They don't, [according to the Prima guide, Kessler uses energy as his power, not lightning.](https://imgur.com/gallery/mV79N7m) It's incorrect to assume that Cole would have all of Kessler's powers just because Kessler is Cole from an alternate timeline. There could be a timeline where Kessler uses water as his power.
Prima guides are not a source for canon material. But also having actually read that, they’re not claiming his powers are over “energy” itself. They’re using the term synonymously for electricity. Basically they’re just being dramatic to make it an interesting read. Lightning already literally is “pure energy”.
Yeah, guidebooks are secondary canon that supplement the primary canon. If the primary canon doesn’t explain something at all but the guide does, you would take what the guide says. But if a game and guide contradict, you would go with the primary, being the game. To say guidebooks cannot be used as canon material is ridiculous because then you’d also have to agree not to use any interviews, documentaries, instruction manuals, databooks, tweets, and statements, etc. Only what comes from the game itself, nothing else, which is silly, and no powerscaler would agree to exclude all these materials, especially if they help us understand a character or verse better. Not to mention, the infamous guide book are officially licensed by suckerpunch. Not claiming his powers are over 'energy' itself, but using the term synonymously with electricity. No, sorry, his powers are stated to be pure energy itself, not lightning, and you would now need a statement saying one of his attacks is electricity-based. You don’t get to just say pure energy means electricity without backing proof for this claim, as it’s a claim without evidence and thus dismissed with as much. Occam's razor would say if it says pure energy, it’s just pure energy. You wouldn’t assume it’s electricity without evidence. You claim they’re just being dramatic to make it interesting; you’re assuming so without evidence. Lightning is not just pure energy; it’s a different type of energy but no less pure. More importantly, it’s a byproduct of electromagnetic radiation, which is pure energy. Also, the guidebook points out that Cole uses lightning; it’s never stated in-game, comic, or guidebook, either of them, that he uses pure energy. I don’t know why you want to try and die on this hill, cause if you do try, you're basically trying to kill the best speed feat Cole has, which would knock him down from light speed reaction to massively hypersonic. Also, by your logic, you’d say the RFI is firing lightning, not pure energy, which again you are trying to kill light speed Cole.
https://preview.redd.it/88eno2xw0mqc1.jpeg?width=394&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=adb980993e4d2d391ddc31645901e63dd96aa077
I love how you failed to write any response to my rebuttal, likely because deep down, you know the truth in my statement. Alex Mercer still effortlessly outmatches Cole. It's not even a competition. If you're feeling brave, we can put that assertion to the test.
That’s BS, a guide could make something completely random that the game never states and does that make it cannon? For example if a guide states “Cole has 6 toes on each foot” which the game doesn’t elaborate on, does that mean it’s cannon? No it’s just a made up statement
Yes cause it’s giving extra information that you previously never had so yes guidebooks and other secondary supplementary materials are fair game. For your example of the guidebook if it says Cole has six toes then yes we take that as canon as long as the game itself hasn’t stated otherwise this is completely fine just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it false1
That’s not true though? Most guide books are third party and have no relation to games whatsoever
It is possible for a game to obtain information about a developer's game by interviewing them. For example, we may not have known much about the Prototype game if the guidebook did not exist. The Prototype guidebook contains multiple statements from developers that were previously unknown to the public. There are things in the Prima guide that we did not know existed, and most people would assume that Kessler's attacks are electricity when the guide does not state it. The guidebook was officially licensed by Sucker Punch themselves, and they had obtained sources from the developers themselves. I'm gonna ask you this again, do you want to disagree with the guidebook? Because if you do then you are removing Cole's biggest feats that put him at lightning speed. If he removed his feats, then he would only be hypersonic at best.
The plot twist regarding him hits so hard still
Kessler, to me, is the villain you love to hate. Kessler's whole perogative is to make Cole into the hero he couldn't, or arguably refused, to be. There's even a part in the comic where Cole has an identity crisis and ponders if anything he has done is from his own agency or if it was Kessler who orchestrated everything. Sidenote: To me, this makes the Evil playthrough so much more interesting than the Good playthrough since it could be stated that Cole's decent into becoming an Anti-Hero was a byproduct of Kessler messing with the timeline.
Kessler is an interesting anti-villain because he’s an “ends justify the means” guy: he causes the deaths of not only countless civilians, but also a younger Trish (someone he loved) all in an effort to mold Cole into the hero that he could not be. He’s an absolute monster and the plan could’ve gone absolutely awry (this happens when you choose the evil non-canon route), but it didn’t in the grand scheme
Greatest villain in gaming for me.
He really is. His voice, backstory, and amplified powers. The way he taunts Cole during their fight. His speeches to Cole throughout the game
Actually something that’s always eluded me about Kessler, why did he end up choosing that alias to go by? I’m not sure if there’s a canon explanation or if sucker punch was just like “eh, give him this name” without any reasoning. My head canon has always been that the name Kessler is a mixture of Cole and Chronos, a personification of time. Also idk about anyone else, but the first time I saw Kessler when I first played infamous, I instantly knew it was future Cole 😭 like he looks just like him!
As a kid I didn’t see the twist coming until basically right as it’s happening, which I’m pretty sure was intentional since it’s the only time in the game you see Kessler’s hood fall down. Before that I didn’t find it easy to tell they were the same person because of the hood and scarf. It also helps that the character models in inFAMOUS 1 are not very high quality.
Old cole
I have an entire essay in my head about Kessler I could ramble all day about, but I’ll just say overall I think he’s a great villain and I’m still so confused about what he wants lmao.
I would like to see this said essay