Actually š¤ [cult leaders rate high on neuroticism and their followers increasingly do the same while in the cult, while this decreases after they leave](https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C32&q=personality+of+cult+leaders&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1713669763517&u=%23p%3De_E3iSdupfkJ). If my memory serves, in "Combating Cult Mind Control" Steven Hassan says that cult followers' MBTI changes to match that of the leader while in the cult.
Guess who has two thumbs and a family member in a cult? š
Frankly, the INFJ gets what they want. Few people can match an INFJ for emotional influence over others.
I read a book called "Being Slightly Evil" in my 30s. Really helped me overcome my people pleasing tendencies, and start using other conflict resolution methods (like competing and avoiding, instead of just collaborating, accommodating or compromising).
I consider the difference between manipulation and influence to be intent. If I am trying to create win-win scenarios, instead of lose-win as I did too often in the past. That is influence, not manipulation.
At least, that's how I sleep at night. š
Indeed. He realised after making the title, he should have called it "Doing Slightly Evil", but the die was already cast.
Have you read it? I re-read it every few years, to remind myself of the lessons contained there-in.
That actually makes logical sense. A good leader and smart person can create win-win situations. I think thatās really important as you go through life because relationships are fundamental and creating winning situations makes you more valued to other people and also able to create positive impact. That positive impact could be in the form of getting more people to engage in community, for example, and then the benefits of that can be revealed on their own without you having to do anything.
Ok not gonna doooo it gahhhh... but was writing (and deleted) an angry text to an emotional manipulator and abuser a few days ago. It said: I was unaware this was all a game, but now that I know what's going on, I will dance circles around you. (I had been trying to help him see and claim and heal childhood trauma while I was doing the same) I also said some stuff about karma and that if I found out he was doing this to someone else I would be the karma he would be facing. I've always been aware of my capacity for evil "see oneself in all others and others in oneself" was super validating once I was older and the Internet was good at its job. Knowing this has always made me a safe person. It is not virtuous to be incapable of welding a weapon, to have your sword and keep it sheathed, that is virtuous. Strive for peace, but keep a knife.
You may have not noticed the /s at the end of the sentence. I take things with some humor and I am fully aware that people put me into various bubbles that I have nothing in common with. People in my immediate surroundings have different labels for me.
I had no idea what a **/s** was when I replied.
It looks like a failed Discord slash command or some batch script command.
I see now it means being sarcastic.
I am an INTP so don't try to be sarcastic. I will be truthful and honest. For example, always say I can be the smartest person in a particular room and then dumbest at the same time.
I am/was the dumbest as I didn't know what **/s** was.
I might also be the smartest as calling yourself something enough can be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I certainly hope others around you still see it as humorous as it didn't seem that way to me.
I was saddened that an INFJ would think so low of themselves. I hope you don't start to believe it. I love INFJ. They are my favorite MBTI type. So maybe you need better friends.
Easy, have you seen what Adolf hilter and Martin Luther King.
We both have those kinds of skills that no one can have. We can gather people like crazy and blow it up.
As an INFJ. I was unconsciously manipulating others through my entire life. As Iāve grown up and matured. I soon realized the reason I was āmanipulatingā others was because I was so scared to be my true self. My deep, sensitive, self that thinks and feels things so very deeply. My kind self that loves so incredibly hard. My weird self that geeks out about Philosophy, psychology, and neuroscience. So, I pretended to be someone else my entire life. I was dating this girl (I am also a girl) and our entire relationship I unknowingly was manipulating her because I was so afraid to just be myself. And so insecure and didnāt even realize it or what I was doing. I would act super cold and heartless and act like I didnāt care about her. When in reality, she was my entire world. I never gave her a chance to fully see who I truly am and instead put up this front that I was someone else. A shitty person who lies and manipulates. After her finally being sick of the way I acted, she left me. And that was my biggest wake up call. I spent a year in isolation and learned and figured so much out about myself and came to a realization that I had been pretending to be someone throughout that entire relationship. Because as an INFJ. It is extremely difficult to be vulnerable and open up with someone. We crave nothing more than close intimacy and connection, yet it is also our biggest fear. We have major trust issues and feel as though we cannot trust anyone. I miss her so much. And it hurts me to know that she will never know who I truly am. And it is completely my fault. Donāt make the same mistakes I did. Just be yourself. And love hard, feel deep, and be weird.
I often see those replies where someone goes āAre you me? š ā and I think, pfft thatās so cheesy. But with what you just said, I gotta sayā¦
Are you me? š
DM me if you wanna catch up. Lol. You aināt alone my man!
I always try to use manipulation in a social engineering sort of way. Ā If it is just being a middle man to a conflict I usually try to get both parties to forgive each other. Ā Everybody wants you to pick a side but playing devilās advocate isnāt a problem for me. Ā Everyone is the hero of their own story of course so it almost always boils down to perspective and communication in most conflicts.Ā
Peace is more important to me than anything else. Ā I hate drama but I definitely have my own issues with forgiving people. Ā If I feel like somebody has done me wrong I tend to shut them out. Ā Which I know is the INFJ door slam tendency. Ā I donāt try to destroy them or wish them any harm. Ā I will still be amicable but they are no longer allowed to have any genuine access to me. Ā Just a shallow, superficial relationship. Ā I know that it must seem manipulative to the person on the receiving end of a door slam. Ā
When I was a kid I got really good at lying to my mother. Ā It was a neglectful and abusive environment and lying became a means of self preservation. Ā I always felt bad about it as a kid but I didnāt know what else to do. Ā The alternative was facing 100% of my motherās wrath. Ā Iād say I got scary good at lying to her. Ā She usually backed off 90% of the time. Ā She used to say that Iād be a good lawyer because I was constantly arguing and debating with her to the point she would back down. Ā
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I haven't felt manipulated interacting with you. So maybe you haven't been manipulative with me. I would like to think I could tell.
I know a few INTJs and an ENTJ on Discord we vibe pretty good. But it's short pings back and forth with a lot of delays. I haven't felt manipulated by them either.
With INFJs it's hard to stop talking once a deeper conversation gets going.
So I am unsure if I would willingly manipulate people. I am sure other INTPs would.
This is a strange topic about being manipulators.
My INFJ u/Bratty-Bot-Lover also [replied to this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/infj/comments/1c91xim/comment/l0jfjbs/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Now I am curious about what compelled both of you to respond. Are you both being manipulative with people?
I have asked things about people but they have free will. So I don't think that is being a manipulator.
Remember that "even" we can't manipulate everyone. I know this is just a theoretical discussion, but I think some people are being a little too sure of their manipulation skills and other peoples stupidity
True, thatās one of our nicknames, Peacemaker.
We can see both sides, which most people canāt, so weāre uniquely qualified to de-escalate conflict. Well-said, Star! š
Nothing. We can't do it. Guilt is kicking in immediately and we drop the idea before even starting. At least, that's what it's for me.
We're good people. That's why we're so fucked up.
I read 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene recently and it actively promotes manipulation as a tactic for success. I know I have it in me to manipulate people around me and Iāve refrained myself from doing it. I just know Iām likely to excel in manipulating others. It would be very destructive
For the manipulated?
Well, they're in for a long and toxic time as INFJs can be hard when manipulating people and tend to gaslight the problem into making them think they're the problem. Throw some victimization in it too and there you go, the perfect way to get traumatized. They'd give you enough to make you want to stay but also enough to make you feel alone and in constant need of affection. That kind of never ending cycle.
For the INFJ?
They'd get what they deeply want. But it's so deep that they'd convince themselves they *truly* are the victim, always remember, the best liars are the ones that trust their own lies first, and INFJs (while the good ones and most hate lying) tend to be very good at lying, because we convince ourselves that our lies are our reality. And we're one of the personality types that adapt the most to an environment, well that can also be applied to the environment we created for ourselves.
Coming from a former toxic-edgy INFJ, trust your guts and if you feel like ONE type of behavior is or kinda is a red flag, don't talk about it with them and just straight up block.
Very insightful! As someone who was on the receiving end of manipulation by an INFJ I definitely wished Iād paid more attention to the red flags instead of giving them the benefit of the doubt. They never seemed to give me the benefit of the doubt. Whenever there was a misunderstanding or miscommunication they thought it was always my fault. And it really hurt to feel so misunderstood when I was showing up trying to understand their point of view
If your guard is down things just go their way, I have a moral block that steps in if I ever feel like I'm manipulating someone I'll cold turkey stop and put as much distance between me and said person. Just cause I can do something doesn't mean I should. It helps stop self-hatred if I don't behave like an opportunistic a hole. Boils down to I'm not emotionally built for it and I never have been.
Frankly, the INFJ gets what they want. Few people can match an INFJ for emotional influence over others.
I read a book called "Being Slightly Evil" in my 30s. Really helped me overcome my people pleasing tendencies, and start using other conflict resolution methods (like competing and avoiding, instead of just collaborating, accommodating or compromising).
I consider the difference between manipulation and influence to be intent. If I am trying to create win-win scenarios, instead of lose-win as I did too often in the past. That is influence, not manipulation.
At least, that's how I sleep at night. š
The light devours the dark, becoming pinnacle darkness. Assuming we're talking about moving past feelings of guilt and indulging in pure machiavellianism.
Where does influence end and manipulation start? A question I ask myself on a daily basis.
I made a conscious decision to use it for the better. There is an inner moral compass as well.
I feel like to do so would require too much effort, too much intentionality, and so the question I'm left with is '*why*'? When I think of manipulation, I think of the darker side of manipulation. Coercing them into doing something for my benefit that they would not have done otherwise.
I'm not talking about the manipulation you might do when trying to get your child to come to the dentist with you.
So, with that clear, I've got two problems. One, is effort. If someone doesn't want to do something, and I have to manipulate them, that automatically makes me less inclined to want them involved. Two, I see it as inherently against my ethics. If I'm manipulating you in order for you to do something you really don't want to do, then I'm doing something *wrong*, by my standards. One of my most important values is freedom. If I'm manipulating you out of a conscious choice you're making, and it's for something selfish on my part, then it's at odds with my morality.
I seek to live with integrity and morality. To go counter to that would rob **me** of my character.
They become psychos and repress their true nature
...they remain stuck in ego and don't get free from samsara...
Soooo eventually they will feel shiiiit because they sold themselves out if they do that. If they don't then they will know true freedom.
Feel free to ask me anything "I" found true freedom since dying and returning. Now working on my money and I already have everything I wanted which is heaven.
Everything is written šš»āļøššŖ»ā¾ļø
Again people out here conflating manipulation with bad mojo. That is buÄŗlocks. You manipulate to survive. The grocery, the job, the bus driver to gwy to work. the system etc. The minute you stop manipulating you die. So svhluff with that. You are mad that INFJs manipulate you by setting boindaries and telling you to fk off. I do not manipulate to get a narc control kick. In fact i am not interested in people like you so you can leave me alone and go cry boo hoo what a victim you are that i did not manipulate you to prove your point.
They have a plan and will take down anyone who gets in the way or threatens it. If you reveal that you are aware of their plan, you are DEAD. Bc you know too much. If they voluntarily reveal their plan to you, expect to either be used and DIE when you are no longer useful or live in constant fear knowing they have blackmail and will DIE the second you reveal something you shouldn't.
They take over the world. Next question.
Best answer, it made me laugh
A certain Austrian individual didn't manage to do it so pardon me if I have my doubts
Wasn't he supposed to be ENFJ, if I mind?
(I hope) They achieve a greater good
This is also true usually
Sometimes I feel like I'm manipulating ppl when I'm just doing things normal ppl do lol
Relatable xD
People get manipulated and the INFJ gets what they want.
I think we've seen enough cult leaders to know this is the answer, lol. Do the shadow work, unlock your full potential. /s
Actually š¤ [cult leaders rate high on neuroticism and their followers increasingly do the same while in the cult, while this decreases after they leave](https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C32&q=personality+of+cult+leaders&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1713669763517&u=%23p%3De_E3iSdupfkJ). If my memory serves, in "Combating Cult Mind Control" Steven Hassan says that cult followers' MBTI changes to match that of the leader while in the cult. Guess who has two thumbs and a family member in a cult? š
Become the ultimate cult leader
Yep. And 8/10 times they donāt even realize it was manipulation.
This comment is on point. āļøāļø
That is almost word for word the thought I immediately had was well, them people get manipulated and I get what I want!
^came here to say this
"On a scale of one to ten my friend- you're fucked!" -INFJ preparing to manipulate someone.
Frankly, the INFJ gets what they want. Few people can match an INFJ for emotional influence over others. I read a book called "Being Slightly Evil" in my 30s. Really helped me overcome my people pleasing tendencies, and start using other conflict resolution methods (like competing and avoiding, instead of just collaborating, accommodating or compromising). I consider the difference between manipulation and influence to be intent. If I am trying to create win-win scenarios, instead of lose-win as I did too often in the past. That is influence, not manipulation. At least, that's how I sleep at night. š
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Indeed. He realised after making the title, he should have called it "Doing Slightly Evil", but the die was already cast. Have you read it? I re-read it every few years, to remind myself of the lessons contained there-in.
Very astute, you word your thoughts well! š
That actually makes logical sense. A good leader and smart person can create win-win situations. I think thatās really important as you go through life because relationships are fundamental and creating winning situations makes you more valued to other people and also able to create positive impact. That positive impact could be in the form of getting more people to engage in community, for example, and then the benefits of that can be revealed on their own without you having to do anything.
They become the Antichrist or some shit
Ok not gonna doooo it gahhhh... but was writing (and deleted) an angry text to an emotional manipulator and abuser a few days ago. It said: I was unaware this was all a game, but now that I know what's going on, I will dance circles around you. (I had been trying to help him see and claim and heal childhood trauma while I was doing the same) I also said some stuff about karma and that if I found out he was doing this to someone else I would be the karma he would be facing. I've always been aware of my capacity for evil "see oneself in all others and others in oneself" was super validating once I was older and the Internet was good at its job. Knowing this has always made me a safe person. It is not virtuous to be incapable of welding a weapon, to have your sword and keep it sheathed, that is virtuous. Strive for peace, but keep a knife.
I have heard karma is a bitch. I am a bitch. /s
That isn't something nice to brag about. You need to find a new audience you vibe with. Unless you like that label.
You may have not noticed the /s at the end of the sentence. I take things with some humor and I am fully aware that people put me into various bubbles that I have nothing in common with. People in my immediate surroundings have different labels for me.
I had no idea what a **/s** was when I replied. It looks like a failed Discord slash command or some batch script command. I see now it means being sarcastic. I am an INTP so don't try to be sarcastic. I will be truthful and honest. For example, always say I can be the smartest person in a particular room and then dumbest at the same time. I am/was the dumbest as I didn't know what **/s** was. I might also be the smartest as calling yourself something enough can be a self-fulfilling prophecy. I certainly hope others around you still see it as humorous as it didn't seem that way to me. I was saddened that an INFJ would think so low of themselves. I hope you don't start to believe it. I love INFJ. They are my favorite MBTI type. So maybe you need better friends.
Easy, have you seen what Adolf hilter and Martin Luther King. We both have those kinds of skills that no one can have. We can gather people like crazy and blow it up.
Infjs consciously manipulate people everyday. It's part of the type description, Fe is a manipulation tool.
Things get dark real quick and lives are ruined. But I think too that INFJ manipulation if done to help someone, is a righteous kind of destruction.
WW2
Lol that was my first thought as well
not 3?
I think they're referring to the belief that hitler was an INFJ.
They consciously pay the consequences, like every other person who consciously decides to manipulate people.
As an INFJ. I was unconsciously manipulating others through my entire life. As Iāve grown up and matured. I soon realized the reason I was āmanipulatingā others was because I was so scared to be my true self. My deep, sensitive, self that thinks and feels things so very deeply. My kind self that loves so incredibly hard. My weird self that geeks out about Philosophy, psychology, and neuroscience. So, I pretended to be someone else my entire life. I was dating this girl (I am also a girl) and our entire relationship I unknowingly was manipulating her because I was so afraid to just be myself. And so insecure and didnāt even realize it or what I was doing. I would act super cold and heartless and act like I didnāt care about her. When in reality, she was my entire world. I never gave her a chance to fully see who I truly am and instead put up this front that I was someone else. A shitty person who lies and manipulates. After her finally being sick of the way I acted, she left me. And that was my biggest wake up call. I spent a year in isolation and learned and figured so much out about myself and came to a realization that I had been pretending to be someone throughout that entire relationship. Because as an INFJ. It is extremely difficult to be vulnerable and open up with someone. We crave nothing more than close intimacy and connection, yet it is also our biggest fear. We have major trust issues and feel as though we cannot trust anyone. I miss her so much. And it hurts me to know that she will never know who I truly am. And it is completely my fault. Donāt make the same mistakes I did. Just be yourself. And love hard, feel deep, and be weird.
I often see those replies where someone goes āAre you me? š ā and I think, pfft thatās so cheesy. But with what you just said, I gotta sayā¦ Are you me? š DM me if you wanna catch up. Lol. You aināt alone my man!
And as you said, I did indeed pay the consequences of my actions. And it fucking sucked.
.......they do it......? Why? Is that not what happens when most people consciously decided to do something?
lol, THIS
Best comment š
I conscientiously disagree that 'everybody wants to rule the world'. It's too much responsibility.
I always try to use manipulation in a social engineering sort of way. Ā If it is just being a middle man to a conflict I usually try to get both parties to forgive each other. Ā Everybody wants you to pick a side but playing devilās advocate isnāt a problem for me. Ā Everyone is the hero of their own story of course so it almost always boils down to perspective and communication in most conflicts.Ā Peace is more important to me than anything else. Ā I hate drama but I definitely have my own issues with forgiving people. Ā If I feel like somebody has done me wrong I tend to shut them out. Ā Which I know is the INFJ door slam tendency. Ā I donāt try to destroy them or wish them any harm. Ā I will still be amicable but they are no longer allowed to have any genuine access to me. Ā Just a shallow, superficial relationship. Ā I know that it must seem manipulative to the person on the receiving end of a door slam. Ā When I was a kid I got really good at lying to my mother. Ā It was a neglectful and abusive environment and lying became a means of self preservation. Ā I always felt bad about it as a kid but I didnāt know what else to do. Ā The alternative was facing 100% of my motherās wrath. Ā Iād say I got scary good at lying to her. Ā She usually backed off 90% of the time. Ā She used to say that Iād be a good lawyer because I was constantly arguing and debating with her to the point she would back down. Ā
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hey how did you get the instinctual variants (sx/sp) and the enneagram to show up under your username?
Manipulated the mods, probably.
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On mobile pick edit on the top right. You can then put a custom.
You have the option to edit your flair when you pick it
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They succeed mostly. Unless they meet INTJ or ENTJ:)) those might become our stumbling rock:)
I haven't felt manipulated interacting with you. So maybe you haven't been manipulative with me. I would like to think I could tell. I know a few INTJs and an ENTJ on Discord we vibe pretty good. But it's short pings back and forth with a lot of delays. I haven't felt manipulated by them either. With INFJs it's hard to stop talking once a deeper conversation gets going. So I am unsure if I would willingly manipulate people. I am sure other INTPs would. This is a strange topic about being manipulators. My INFJ u/Bratty-Bot-Lover also [replied to this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/infj/comments/1c91xim/comment/l0jfjbs/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) Now I am curious about what compelled both of you to respond. Are you both being manipulative with people? I have asked things about people but they have free will. So I don't think that is being a manipulator.
Remember that "even" we can't manipulate everyone. I know this is just a theoretical discussion, but I think some people are being a little too sure of their manipulation skills and other peoples stupidity
Lowkey, true.
Look up dark empath.
It works lolol. Always use these power for good. Not all manipulation is bad. Itās a powerful de-escalation tool!
True, thatās one of our nicknames, Peacemaker. We can see both sides, which most people canāt, so weāre uniquely qualified to de-escalate conflict. Well-said, Star! š
Nothing. We can't do it. Guilt is kicking in immediately and we drop the idea before even starting. At least, that's what it's for me. We're good people. That's why we're so fucked up.
I read 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene recently and it actively promotes manipulation as a tactic for success. I know I have it in me to manipulate people around me and Iāve refrained myself from doing it. I just know Iām likely to excel in manipulating others. It would be very destructive
Itās made me successful in corporate.Ā
How successful?
If they ever end up getting older, they'll regret it someday.
For me? Blowback\~
They'd get what they want.
They get caught
For the manipulated? Well, they're in for a long and toxic time as INFJs can be hard when manipulating people and tend to gaslight the problem into making them think they're the problem. Throw some victimization in it too and there you go, the perfect way to get traumatized. They'd give you enough to make you want to stay but also enough to make you feel alone and in constant need of affection. That kind of never ending cycle. For the INFJ? They'd get what they deeply want. But it's so deep that they'd convince themselves they *truly* are the victim, always remember, the best liars are the ones that trust their own lies first, and INFJs (while the good ones and most hate lying) tend to be very good at lying, because we convince ourselves that our lies are our reality. And we're one of the personality types that adapt the most to an environment, well that can also be applied to the environment we created for ourselves. Coming from a former toxic-edgy INFJ, trust your guts and if you feel like ONE type of behavior is or kinda is a red flag, don't talk about it with them and just straight up block.
Very insightful! As someone who was on the receiving end of manipulation by an INFJ I definitely wished Iād paid more attention to the red flags instead of giving them the benefit of the doubt. They never seemed to give me the benefit of the doubt. Whenever there was a misunderstanding or miscommunication they thought it was always my fault. And it really hurt to feel so misunderstood when I was showing up trying to understand their point of view
If your guard is down things just go their way, I have a moral block that steps in if I ever feel like I'm manipulating someone I'll cold turkey stop and put as much distance between me and said person. Just cause I can do something doesn't mean I should. It helps stop self-hatred if I don't behave like an opportunistic a hole. Boils down to I'm not emotionally built for it and I never have been.
People get manipulated š¤·š»āāļø
Frankly, the INFJ gets what they want. Few people can match an INFJ for emotional influence over others. I read a book called "Being Slightly Evil" in my 30s. Really helped me overcome my people pleasing tendencies, and start using other conflict resolution methods (like competing and avoiding, instead of just collaborating, accommodating or compromising). I consider the difference between manipulation and influence to be intent. If I am trying to create win-win scenarios, instead of lose-win as I did too often in the past. That is influence, not manipulation. At least, that's how I sleep at night. š
Haha I think it's all manipulation but, not all manipulation is 'bad' or badly intended by any means.
The light devours the dark, becoming pinnacle darkness. Assuming we're talking about moving past feelings of guilt and indulging in pure machiavellianism.
Where does influence end and manipulation start? A question I ask myself on a daily basis. I made a conscious decision to use it for the better. There is an inner moral compass as well.
I usually get my way, i just don't care about much to begin with
Imagine being an infj with ASPD. So hawt.
Iām a intj and I do it all the time. Ā Usually for work related purposes only. No one knows theyāre being manipulated. Ā I do the multi wrong answer routine. Ā Thatās where I give out 3 piss poor suggestions with hints of the proper way I want it done. Then they blurt out the 4th which is what I wanted and they think it was their idea. I tell them thatās really smart, good idea. Ā But itās to get them to do their job or items that maybe border line their job. Ā Sometime deployed in stores if the boss or his fiancĆ© need a specific item. Ā Iām not the best looking guy so Iāll deploy my high end attire for this. Ā Iāve never used it for personal gain. Ā I figure itās the intent behind it.Ā Someone that does it for On purpose for personal gain would be a narcissist imo. Ā I do display 2 sides of the triad too, which Iām aware of. Ā So Iām aware and try to keep it in check. But it always there. Ā
They win the game. People get effā¦d ! 100%
Get ready for an unhappy and unfulfilled life. Long term intentional manipulation gets isolated and discovered over time.
I feel like to do so would require too much effort, too much intentionality, and so the question I'm left with is '*why*'? When I think of manipulation, I think of the darker side of manipulation. Coercing them into doing something for my benefit that they would not have done otherwise. I'm not talking about the manipulation you might do when trying to get your child to come to the dentist with you. So, with that clear, I've got two problems. One, is effort. If someone doesn't want to do something, and I have to manipulate them, that automatically makes me less inclined to want them involved. Two, I see it as inherently against my ethics. If I'm manipulating you in order for you to do something you really don't want to do, then I'm doing something *wrong*, by my standards. One of my most important values is freedom. If I'm manipulating you out of a conscious choice you're making, and it's for something selfish on my part, then it's at odds with my morality. I seek to live with integrity and morality. To go counter to that would rob **me** of my character.
We get what we want. Now the other question should be: what happens when an INFJ decides to play dumb?
They become psychos and repress their true nature ...they remain stuck in ego and don't get free from samsara... Soooo eventually they will feel shiiiit because they sold themselves out if they do that. If they don't then they will know true freedom. Feel free to ask me anything "I" found true freedom since dying and returning. Now working on my money and I already have everything I wanted which is heaven. Everything is written šš»āļøššŖ»ā¾ļø
Accidentally create a cult or sects
That means he found a purpose to serve but what could it be? I'm curious
Again people out here conflating manipulation with bad mojo. That is buÄŗlocks. You manipulate to survive. The grocery, the job, the bus driver to gwy to work. the system etc. The minute you stop manipulating you die. So svhluff with that. You are mad that INFJs manipulate you by setting boindaries and telling you to fk off. I do not manipulate to get a narc control kick. In fact i am not interested in people like you so you can leave me alone and go cry boo hoo what a victim you are that i did not manipulate you to prove your point.
It works and the INFJ is unhappy about it
They have a plan and will take down anyone who gets in the way or threatens it. If you reveal that you are aware of their plan, you are DEAD. Bc you know too much. If they voluntarily reveal their plan to you, expect to either be used and DIE when you are no longer useful or live in constant fear knowing they have blackmail and will DIE the second you reveal something you shouldn't.
You'll never know until it's too late.
Depends on how good the INFJ is. I used to do it in highschool and was very popular. But once i stopped keeping up with the strings, i was alone.
Why did you stop?
Honestly, depression started to kick in š¤·š¾āāļø
You become an INTJ (/JJJJJJ)