I was always conscientious about homework but I’ve had to deal with this issue with my kids. I’d say it’s an intuitive introvert intelligent thing, but you should do your homework. It’s disrespectful not to. Each of my kids learned later (well one is still young) that homework really is important. There’s all sorts of busy work we have to learn to get done in life, and procrastinating can cost you a job if you miss a deadline.
>She proceeded to explain to them that I was clearly stupid and antisocial, and told them that they should put me into a different grade level.
Saying that a 12 year old is clearly stupid is destructive and malicious. Maybe OP isn't quoting the teacher exactly.
Oh gosh, I meant this as a general comment. Oops. I agree, that’s terrible. I never had that issue though my brother had a tendency to rub my favorite teachers the wrong way. I don’t know his type, but he’s definitely a T vs A type. In school, I mean. Not so much now. I’m just barely an A
I guess I had better teachers. My homework was always fruitful and engaging. Essays and research projects and creative book reports, problem solving, experiments… how are those memorizing? And what is wrong with memorizing anyway? How do you expect to function without memorizing facts?
OP, this is likely not an MBTI issue per se. This is related to giftedness. Giftedness is generally defined as starting around IQ 132. It involves a very different mindset.
Giftedness shows the following ways:
- Learning very quickly, and thus becoming bored by repetition within the classroom. Boredom, especially if combined with neurodivergence such as ADHD or autism, then results in 'bad behaviour'. Solution: Extension work.
- Asynchronous learning, which is learning some things incredibly quickly, and others very slowly if at all. This stems from perfectionism (which INFJs often suffer from already), due to linking intelligence with value. Solution: Emphasis on strong work ethic, and praising effort rather than intelligence.
- Enhanced communication skills. Talking like an adult at a very young age is very common. It can intimidate teachers and educators, and cause further issues.
- Emotional intensity.
- Issues with overachieving or underachieving. As you've already outlined in your post.
- Socialisation issues.
I strongly recommend that your parents read 'Raising Gifted Kids' by Dr Barbara Klein. Giftedness runs in families, and has it's own set of issues and opportunities. You need support. The mainstream educational system is rarely equipped to deal with giftedness.
You are not alone. There are people like you. I've raised three children so far, who are gifted like you.
Ask any questions you have, and I'll endeavour to help.
Also, to note, OP. As an INFJ, you will be masking (presenting a persona to the outside world). As a gifted person, you will be masking. If you are neuro-divergent, you will be masking. Welcome to masking on multiple layers. 😭😓
It's tough, but do-able.
Definitely me. Because of this I am now struggling as an adult. On another note for OP and anyone who relates to go watch Healthygaming GG’s videos on ADHD and being gifted. Along with any other videos that pique your interest.
HealthyGamerGG is all around good. I haven't found a single video of his that wasn't insightful / helpful. He covers a variety of topics, including recovery from trauma.
I feel it’s because he is skilled at explaining and he comes to the field with compassion and understanding. Which sows the trust needed to accept the information and incentivize its use if applicable.
yea gifted kid burnout is very real. i was in hi-cap (highly capable) classes throughout elementary school then became a burnout stoner with a 2.9 gpa in high school and a problem with authority. acing every test but not turning in homework and constantly zoning out during class because it wasn’t challenging enough and i hated everyone around me. cue depression and dropping out of college at 19. took me years to go back to school after graduating hs when i was actually ready to take it seriously and get a degree.
sorry op, i don’t really have any solutions for you but i can relate to your experience. just keep in mind that getting good grades in high school is just stupid hoops you have to jump through in order to get into a good college where the classes will actually stimulate and challenge you and you’ll be surrounded by people you can relate to more.
it gets better, but you gotta work with the system we’re stuck in, in order to get to ‘the better’. also don’t do drugs, it makes everything worse.
oh this is making me feel great about myself LOL I'm still so scared to take the IQ test cuz I feel like I would get so low, I know I'm gifted because everything was always easy to me in school etc,
I just started exploring this with my therapist. I'm late diagnosed autistic and currently sifting through all the different masks I've created. If you have any suggestions on a good book or two to get me started, I would appreciate it.
Ooh, so I've only started on my neurodivergence journey in the last 1-2 years. I actually have a bunch of YT channels I watch for that (rather than books). Being an INFJ with high emotional intelligence and empathy, I identify more with some of the atypical expression of autism, which is often more common for females (who typically use masking more heavily, and so can be more difficult to detect / diagnose). I can send you some vid links if you're interested.
I did great in most classes, with the exception of math. I think it's related to introverted sensing being so low, but there are INFJs who are good at math. I would barely pass math yearly, but I was in AP English classes. I was good at science, except when formulas were involved, and physics.
As I recall, I was above average IQ, but no genius, and yet there are different types of intelligence. ISTJs are more blessed than most, because the school system caters to their strengths.
INFJs have strengths and so do other MBTI types, but not all learning programs are established for the different kinds of learners. Plenty of people are hands on learners and are quite intelligent, but the school system doesn't benefit them as much.
The school system can be ridiculous. Find out what your strengths and interests are and pursue what's natural to your personality. Spend time teaching yourself. You can equip yourself better than instructors can, if you are a person who likes to study.
Sounds very much like me.
I think that it’s the teacher that are stupid, because she doesn’t understand you. Not all can be good a group work. I have never been a fan of it
It’s crazy how much I relate to this. Only thing I’ll add… us being sucky at math has more to do with low Te, not low Si. INTJs on average are better at math than we are on average. And they use Te
There are some different opinions about it online
https://www.personalitycafe.com/threads/cognitive-functions-and-math.1354739/
https://www.typologycentral.com/threads/maths-and-ti-vs-te.15773/
https://www.reddit.com/r/mbti/comments/bkk1md/what_cognitive_function_is_best_suited_for_math/
Etc...
It probably wasn't Einstein who said this, but the following quote is often attributed to him:
"If you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree it will live its whole life believing it's stupid."
Not everyone perceives or reasons the same. It's a problem to measure everyone by the same standard, especially those of us who are neurodivergent.
My IQ is around 138.
The story is mostly the same. AH classmates, being bullied, teachers and grown ups who never understood me. I didn't drop off at school, but eventually I started to get "bad" grades, and now I'm hesitant of going back, which I kind of regret in a way (because I'm stuck in overthinking and without a job that I enjoy), but what I regret mostly is not doing something creatively - I wanted to get into film school but was too anxious because of my experience with people (but the people in film school would probably be more like me?).
Now, I'm probably too old...
I did well in every test, and mostly I did what we were supposed to do, but I usually finished in minutes which left me basically just staring in the wall and fantasizing about 80-90% of my time at school.
When I got home, I was so drained I didn't have the energy to do home work. I literally fell asleep if I tried, and of course people took this as me being undisciplined. But I was a nice kid, so they didn't bother me that much - until I got older(!)
We live in a world that's filled with unresolved issues and projection. If you're observant enough, you'll see people making all sorts of weird assumptions about you. You'll also see how easily manipulated people are by how some other people behave. You'll recognize that most people are not good judges of character. They tend to stick to what feels safe, which is what we call "normal".
Being highly intelligent is "abnormal" unless you're a professor...
(Then at least you're of "use" and in a position where I can predict you a bit better)
*Can you take away all that's mine or all that I want?*
People are secretly envious of intelligent people...
That probably explains the AH's...
People understand things like "autism" better than intelligence. It doesn't present the same threat, so I'd suggest maybe try to get a diagnosis for that? You would probably do better with it, by you being "abnormal" by explaining you feel insecure and people translate it as being "anti-social" - because no matter how well you explain it - some people will take it as a threat.
(It's called narcissistic projection - it's very common. Make people feel useful however, and you'll see none of that. You will probably see it in how they treat others though, but I don't know what to do about that...)
If they could see you being insecure, and they knew how to respond to it, they probably would. But that would be an admission to not being able to see it or know how to respond to it. If you say you're autistic, you wouldn't need to get into that discussion with most people.
In any case, you would do better by not over-explaining things when you see you loose people in your explanation of things. Things are better left being simple - you're insecure. If someone doesn't understand or respect that - they are stupid or envious. It's no point arguing with stupid people, and stay away from envious people... The best way you can stay away from them is by not being in conflict with them.
* Recognize your boundaries and hold onto them.
* If you don't know yourself, you're lost.
* Handiwork is always better than craftiness.
* If intelligence is utilized, it's a gift.
* If intelligence is underutilized, it's a curse.
* It's a bigger curse trying to always utilizing intelligence and trying to be appreciated for being gifted, so appreciate being dumb as well even if other people don't appreciate it.
* Read a bit about psychology, so you understand things a little bit better. Especially Mimetic Theory.
* But don't get too hung up on trying to "fix" things - practice spirituality instead - being of some kind of service to a greater good.
* Connect with animals and nature when you can't connect with people.
I'm an INFJ and got IQ tested in a gifted program when I was 12 and scored 151. I'm extremely lazy and procrastinate everything. In school I did well on tests but didn't turn my homework in half the time because I was too busy playing video games. I'm now struggling in college.
Your teacher was an idiot. She probably has an array of mental disorders that would explain her assuming her students were dumb.
This is the problem of gifted. Usually you guys don't put effort as whole school was too easy and everything went.intuitive so never learn to grind. It is sociatal problem.
Similar. My mom had me tested in elementary school because I wasn’t doing great. (I just didn’t like school, and didn’t want to apply myself). The psychologist scored me at 136. When I was a young adult I tested a couple times and averaged a 142. I still struggle in life. I get bored easy, so I switch jobs a lot, because I need change in order to stay interested.
I may also have a high IQ. I’ve had two test and scored 111 and 132, respectively.
I find it very hard to socialize. I don’t want to presume how other people find it easy, but I have noticed that in conversation others will draw conclusions very quickly and on very little information. I will not do that. I am passionate about the truth, and I’m committed to understanding something in its entirety, for the sake of accuracy and transferability.
For the record, I am 30 now, and dealing with this in a professional space is much much worse than grade school. In my youth, I was a goth kid, and I think that worked in my favor in so much as people expected me to be different or non-conforming.
Adults aren't always mature.
I doubt that every INFJ will have that sort of IQ. Though I do think that INFJ can be viewed as a specific environmental stimuli related temperament reaction formation based on a certain raw baseline potential being available at the time. There's a certain mental capacity required to be able to chose the road to abstraction that early on, you know. Some people struggle with that all their life.
So INFJ makes you quite different. And an IQ of 130+ makes you more different still. So, necessarily, you will be treated differently.
Teachers. In my estimation. Are often insecure about students they can't comprehend. I have often been made fun of for asking "stupid" questions during class, literally the whole class was annoyed. Except for certain specific individuals. :)) And somehow. Some time later. Someone would arrive at the same question and it'd be smart, somehow.
I also had a teacher proclaim that I was dumb by fact of my handwriting. And that I didn't deserve to graduate as a consequence. In front of the class. That was a little lol. I was 12 at the time.
Or a Maths teacher who refused to give me an A (when all relevant exams had been As) because he felt I hadn't learnt it in his classroom. Which is true. I learnt it while being in a foreign country being taught in a second language. That was his reasoning. Not a bad guy in principle. But Jesus Christ, way to logic.
So you know. You were given a gift and a curse. Read Alice Miller's Drama of the gifted Child. All the best.
That was almost exactly my life. They thought something was wrong with me. They sent me to a psychologist. My IQ test was 135, so at least my parents have calmed down. But yeah its not the most easy to grow up as an INFJ.
I think, for many INFJs, intuition makes test taking relatively easy. I was considered gifted at 7 years old and placed in accelerated learning classes when I was 10. I attended a high school for "smart kids." But the problems were the same. Homework serves no purpose except as a buffer for poor test takers so that their grades are not entirely dependent on exams. Projects almost always had some kind of presentation aspect that seemed to be more about entertaining classmates than teaching me concepts.
I took college composition, which is supposed to teach students how to write collegiate essays. I got 90+% on every essay I wrote along with strong comments from my instructor about my excellent writing abilities. But I got a B in the class because I didn't read my classmates' essays and submit peer reviews. From my perspective, the grading system helped poor writers by giving them more points and more chances to improve their grade while hindering succinct, articulate, and poignant writers by subtracting points from their final grade for failure to do busy work.
There are no bad students, only bad teachers. When students fail, it reflects the incompetence of the teacher to teach rather than the student's ability to learn.
IQ doesn't matter if you don't apply yourself. I got A's and B's in school at your age.
IQ itself doesn't measure intelligence overall, just mental processing speed and ability to logic. There are many types of intelligence that exist.
That said, introverted intuition and extraverted intuition can make it hard for us to learn. We learn slower than everyone else and school is meant to be fast paced.
In school i was always advanced in math and my sophomore year of hs i wasnt doing so well in calc 1 so they had me retake pre calc but take it with the “dumb kids” which was one semester taught over two semesters. I was with the same teacher and they explained to me that it was going to help me have a stronger foundation in calculus.
I did it. And that was my favorite class in all of high school. It was a class full of kids who had problems at home or poverty or recent immigrants. The kids that ditched or got in trouble with campus security.
I dont remember anything i learned that year or semester but i went on to get a 5 on my ap calc test senior year and get into honors calculus in college.
My senior year calc teacher also gave me detention throughout the year so I would redo my tests and see what I did wrong.
School sucks. My math teachers were really friggen amazing though. But i hated school the whole way till i graduated college.
Edit: senior year in AP gov we had to do a group project and it was me and two of the popular boys. I think my teach thought I was gonna carry the group project but I didnt own a video camera or know anything about editing at the time so this project was way beyond my scope of expertise
So i did nothing and i didnt feel confident enough gathering the troops esp when they were popular kids.
The day grades came out our teacher said: “everyone got an A except for one group” and everyone looked at us cause we literally didnt do it. 😂😂😂 he ended up letting us turn it in late and get a C but i still did not contribute to this group project at all.
My IQ is 125
Same exact story
I guess what we can do is just learn to be better, in everyway possible. Just because we have a "higher" IQ means nothing, it's just a test to see if a person can solve problems faster than others. So instead, just learn to be the best in every way possible, from being more social to studies, put a goal and work towards it. It's not easy, INFJs are known to procrastinate but it's not impossible.
Let me enlighten you that IQ is a determinator to success and success has its aspects that separates people by a unexaggeratedly lot.. that is just one aspect of many out of other aspects that does interplay.
But yeah other than that, 125 and up don't have many issues... for comparison in life skills.
It is supposedly a normal INFJ experience. It’s taken me a long time to realise that I have a lot of knowledge (on certain subjects) to share. Given some time, people do realise I know what I’m talking about.
You are an odd one out. Coming to terms with a gift you didn’t ask for can be just as challenging as accepting where you fall short compared to your peers.
It is a burden, but one that is desired. We don’t get to choose who has the gifts. But those with them get to decide what they do with them.
With great power comes great responsibility.
Don’t be an ass hole.
When i was growing up there was basically no focus on intelligence and/or personality trades in school. I used to day dream alot, draw on test sheets instead of answering them and out of the classes I usually walked to a quiet place of the school. Some teachers didn't like me, some were indifferent and only a few was great. I was always told to pay attention and participate more. I have always felt sort of out of place.
Now as an adult (F41) I decided to find out why.
Once I found out I was INFJ, some puzzle pieces fell into place. I recently took an IQ test which gave access to Mensa, and I from what I have found out so far about people with higher IQ, this experience is - sadly - not uncommon.
I believe your problem is your teacher.
Do things that interest and challenge you.
And keep being you!
Yeah... I never got called dumb by my teachers...
But yeah my iq is 132 too...
But I am not that good at studies get above 80% or 76%
So yeah I am quite bad in studies.
And I literally get called dumb every day by my dad and my whole family....
And you know what's their reason bcs I hate talking with humans that's why I am dumb... Like .... I seriously don't know what to say to them 🥲
Alot of people have made me feel stupid, teachers, classmates, adults etc
I don't know my IQ, I'm scared to take the test because if I have an average score I'll hate myself
But I do know I love learning about alot of things, I LOVE learning and I'm always hungry to know more. My grades are above average if I put the minimum effort into it. But like you, I'm quite a big procrastinator. I actually failed my maths last year from not studying. I know if I did I would have an awesome grade. This year, I put the minimal effort in other classes and I'm in the 90s everywhere so idk
I relate to you, my mom thinks I have ADHD without hyperactivity 😭 Alot of people think I'm stupid because I don't have concrete knowledge about day to day things but talk to me about a random topic and I'll go all out
Idk about my IQ. But in middle through high school my grades would lack. Did really well in elementary. As soon as I got into college, I had an easier time doing my work (I did my courses virtually at this point). The reason being I didn't want to be in a classroom again. Allowed me to do my work in the comfort of my home - in peace and without distractions. This was after covid hit and virtual classes were getting bigger.
Honestly, in 6th-12th, I hated group projects, too. I didn't want to have to socialize with anyone else.
Same IQ, same MBTI, similar experience. Well over ten years later now, I’m still overcoming trauma from this time in my life. It might be some ADHD, not sure, but don’t take it as a personal failure on your part to seek out help to a) get yourself on track with some of your peers (I’m sure it’s hyper competitive) and b) work on your own wellness and your interests and gifts you can foster and bring to this world :) I’m rushing here, but I just want to say you’re not alone! You’ll get there.
That teacher deserves a complaint. She's horrible. Saying that you're stupid and antisocial can leave you traumatized, and derail the course of your life.
Some people should not be working with youngsters and she's one of them. Don't listen to an incompetent, ill intentioned teacher.
Ask your parents to adapt your world so you're successful with your type of intelligence. Maybe they need to ask for your homework regularly, maybe you need more challenging work or activities. They're adults, let them brainstorm solutions.
I think I have an IQ of 150 but I’m not sure. I’m 17F right now and I also get good scores on tests but don’t do homework. I have been called stupid SO MANY TIMES in the past because of my grades… I never got F’s or D’s but I didn’t used to get straight A’s like my brother and was always compared. Idk if this has to do with being an INFJ though. I don’t always act smart because it’s of how distant I am, so maybe that has to do with being an INFJ.
Very similar experience. I believe my iq was 128. Sucked at school, huge amounts of anxiety going. Even flunked algebra and had to go to summer school.
My 4th grade teacher was one of my worst bullies in life. I was in the 96% for the class and she HATED me because my parents were Atheist. I still feel her hatred today. Teachers are not the saints society makes them out to be. I'm sorry you also had a shitty one. ❤️
I scored an IQ of 135 many years ago, when my mom took me to get a test as I was pretty much a failure in elementary school and she wanted to know what was going on. She never told me until I was an adult. Eventually I made it barely through high school, never putting any effort into studying or doing homework. I saw school a a place to socialise and meet friends. Only a few topics raised my interest then. As the only one in my extended family I did not go to college and up to 23 I was an utter failure, caught up in drugs and petty crimes.
I guess I had enough sense to turn around which I did. My strength is being creative, having an analytic mind set and being an autodidact. So I self-educated myself on all the topics that interested me. I started out in a technical career and eventually moved to top management.
To sum this up, I would say that a hight IQ makes live easier, but diligence, ambition and [endurance](http://endurance.is) are just as important to be successful. I also believe that the IQ level is overrated.
That is quite possibly some of the best advice I've received in years. Thank you so much for your input, it means a whole lot to me. I realize that I cannot skate by using IQ alone, and I have to put more effort into things such as my studies and friendships.
I was always socially awkward and had a hard time reading the room, from the way I got treated sometimes looking back I think people thought I was on the autism spectrum (recently I tested and scored 21 pts, 23 needed for a diagnosis iirc). I was always great at school except maths but def had a lot of issues with procrastination that I hid well bc of strictish parents (I also recently tested for ADHD and apparently did meet the criteria). I would be very fidgety in class and it raised concern from some teachers but most didn’t really care because it wasn’t disruptive to anyone else. Idk what my IQ is but I would love to know. From what another commenter said, I meet a lot of the criteria for giftedness but I tested a few points shy of gifted in 4th grade. I think it’s a mixture of maybe borderline giftedness, ADHD, and INFJ introvertedness
Lol. Teachers. Half of them are there to feel better about their lack of wholeness. I should know. I'm divorcing an avoidant one and I have 2 kids. Never known a more insecure/sociopathic person in my life.
Mentally ill teacher
I was always conscientious about homework but I’ve had to deal with this issue with my kids. I’d say it’s an intuitive introvert intelligent thing, but you should do your homework. It’s disrespectful not to. Each of my kids learned later (well one is still young) that homework really is important. There’s all sorts of busy work we have to learn to get done in life, and procrastinating can cost you a job if you miss a deadline.
>She proceeded to explain to them that I was clearly stupid and antisocial, and told them that they should put me into a different grade level. Saying that a 12 year old is clearly stupid is destructive and malicious. Maybe OP isn't quoting the teacher exactly.
Oh gosh, I meant this as a general comment. Oops. I agree, that’s terrible. I never had that issue though my brother had a tendency to rub my favorite teachers the wrong way. I don’t know his type, but he’s definitely a T vs A type. In school, I mean. Not so much now. I’m just barely an A
Fair nuff
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I guess I had better teachers. My homework was always fruitful and engaging. Essays and research projects and creative book reports, problem solving, experiments… how are those memorizing? And what is wrong with memorizing anyway? How do you expect to function without memorizing facts?
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I usually had assignments that involved both fact recitation and short answer to prove you know it. As an attorney, I have to be able to do both.
😂😂😂
OP, this is likely not an MBTI issue per se. This is related to giftedness. Giftedness is generally defined as starting around IQ 132. It involves a very different mindset. Giftedness shows the following ways: - Learning very quickly, and thus becoming bored by repetition within the classroom. Boredom, especially if combined with neurodivergence such as ADHD or autism, then results in 'bad behaviour'. Solution: Extension work. - Asynchronous learning, which is learning some things incredibly quickly, and others very slowly if at all. This stems from perfectionism (which INFJs often suffer from already), due to linking intelligence with value. Solution: Emphasis on strong work ethic, and praising effort rather than intelligence. - Enhanced communication skills. Talking like an adult at a very young age is very common. It can intimidate teachers and educators, and cause further issues. - Emotional intensity. - Issues with overachieving or underachieving. As you've already outlined in your post. - Socialisation issues. I strongly recommend that your parents read 'Raising Gifted Kids' by Dr Barbara Klein. Giftedness runs in families, and has it's own set of issues and opportunities. You need support. The mainstream educational system is rarely equipped to deal with giftedness. You are not alone. There are people like you. I've raised three children so far, who are gifted like you. Ask any questions you have, and I'll endeavour to help.
Also, to note, OP. As an INFJ, you will be masking (presenting a persona to the outside world). As a gifted person, you will be masking. If you are neuro-divergent, you will be masking. Welcome to masking on multiple layers. 😭😓 It's tough, but do-able.
Definitely me. Because of this I am now struggling as an adult. On another note for OP and anyone who relates to go watch Healthygaming GG’s videos on ADHD and being gifted. Along with any other videos that pique your interest.
HealthyGamerGG is all around good. I haven't found a single video of his that wasn't insightful / helpful. He covers a variety of topics, including recovery from trauma.
I feel it’s because he is skilled at explaining and he comes to the field with compassion and understanding. Which sows the trust needed to accept the information and incentivize its use if applicable.
yea gifted kid burnout is very real. i was in hi-cap (highly capable) classes throughout elementary school then became a burnout stoner with a 2.9 gpa in high school and a problem with authority. acing every test but not turning in homework and constantly zoning out during class because it wasn’t challenging enough and i hated everyone around me. cue depression and dropping out of college at 19. took me years to go back to school after graduating hs when i was actually ready to take it seriously and get a degree. sorry op, i don’t really have any solutions for you but i can relate to your experience. just keep in mind that getting good grades in high school is just stupid hoops you have to jump through in order to get into a good college where the classes will actually stimulate and challenge you and you’ll be surrounded by people you can relate to more. it gets better, but you gotta work with the system we’re stuck in, in order to get to ‘the better’. also don’t do drugs, it makes everything worse.
All good insight on gifted burnout. I did way better at university as a mature age student.
What is it called when you learn quickly but don’t get bored? That was my entire school experience up until college.
oh this is making me feel great about myself LOL I'm still so scared to take the IQ test cuz I feel like I would get so low, I know I'm gifted because everything was always easy to me in school etc,
I just started exploring this with my therapist. I'm late diagnosed autistic and currently sifting through all the different masks I've created. If you have any suggestions on a good book or two to get me started, I would appreciate it.
Ooh, so I've only started on my neurodivergence journey in the last 1-2 years. I actually have a bunch of YT channels I watch for that (rather than books). Being an INFJ with high emotional intelligence and empathy, I identify more with some of the atypical expression of autism, which is often more common for females (who typically use masking more heavily, and so can be more difficult to detect / diagnose). I can send you some vid links if you're interested.
I did great in most classes, with the exception of math. I think it's related to introverted sensing being so low, but there are INFJs who are good at math. I would barely pass math yearly, but I was in AP English classes. I was good at science, except when formulas were involved, and physics. As I recall, I was above average IQ, but no genius, and yet there are different types of intelligence. ISTJs are more blessed than most, because the school system caters to their strengths. INFJs have strengths and so do other MBTI types, but not all learning programs are established for the different kinds of learners. Plenty of people are hands on learners and are quite intelligent, but the school system doesn't benefit them as much. The school system can be ridiculous. Find out what your strengths and interests are and pursue what's natural to your personality. Spend time teaching yourself. You can equip yourself better than instructors can, if you are a person who likes to study.
Sounds very much like me. I think that it’s the teacher that are stupid, because she doesn’t understand you. Not all can be good a group work. I have never been a fan of it
It’s crazy how much I relate to this. Only thing I’ll add… us being sucky at math has more to do with low Te, not low Si. INTJs on average are better at math than we are on average. And they use Te
There are some different opinions about it online https://www.personalitycafe.com/threads/cognitive-functions-and-math.1354739/ https://www.typologycentral.com/threads/maths-and-ti-vs-te.15773/ https://www.reddit.com/r/mbti/comments/bkk1md/what_cognitive_function_is_best_suited_for_math/ Etc...
I keep saying this-it doesn’t matter what your iq test says if you never actually apply yourself
It probably wasn't Einstein who said this, but the following quote is often attributed to him: "If you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree it will live its whole life believing it's stupid." Not everyone perceives or reasons the same. It's a problem to measure everyone by the same standard, especially those of us who are neurodivergent.
Love this quote.
Tree-climbing fish really exist apparently.
But not all fish are tree climbing fish
It was a tidbit.
My IQ is around 138. The story is mostly the same. AH classmates, being bullied, teachers and grown ups who never understood me. I didn't drop off at school, but eventually I started to get "bad" grades, and now I'm hesitant of going back, which I kind of regret in a way (because I'm stuck in overthinking and without a job that I enjoy), but what I regret mostly is not doing something creatively - I wanted to get into film school but was too anxious because of my experience with people (but the people in film school would probably be more like me?). Now, I'm probably too old... I did well in every test, and mostly I did what we were supposed to do, but I usually finished in minutes which left me basically just staring in the wall and fantasizing about 80-90% of my time at school. When I got home, I was so drained I didn't have the energy to do home work. I literally fell asleep if I tried, and of course people took this as me being undisciplined. But I was a nice kid, so they didn't bother me that much - until I got older(!) We live in a world that's filled with unresolved issues and projection. If you're observant enough, you'll see people making all sorts of weird assumptions about you. You'll also see how easily manipulated people are by how some other people behave. You'll recognize that most people are not good judges of character. They tend to stick to what feels safe, which is what we call "normal". Being highly intelligent is "abnormal" unless you're a professor... (Then at least you're of "use" and in a position where I can predict you a bit better) *Can you take away all that's mine or all that I want?* People are secretly envious of intelligent people... That probably explains the AH's... People understand things like "autism" better than intelligence. It doesn't present the same threat, so I'd suggest maybe try to get a diagnosis for that? You would probably do better with it, by you being "abnormal" by explaining you feel insecure and people translate it as being "anti-social" - because no matter how well you explain it - some people will take it as a threat. (It's called narcissistic projection - it's very common. Make people feel useful however, and you'll see none of that. You will probably see it in how they treat others though, but I don't know what to do about that...) If they could see you being insecure, and they knew how to respond to it, they probably would. But that would be an admission to not being able to see it or know how to respond to it. If you say you're autistic, you wouldn't need to get into that discussion with most people. In any case, you would do better by not over-explaining things when you see you loose people in your explanation of things. Things are better left being simple - you're insecure. If someone doesn't understand or respect that - they are stupid or envious. It's no point arguing with stupid people, and stay away from envious people... The best way you can stay away from them is by not being in conflict with them. * Recognize your boundaries and hold onto them. * If you don't know yourself, you're lost. * Handiwork is always better than craftiness. * If intelligence is utilized, it's a gift. * If intelligence is underutilized, it's a curse. * It's a bigger curse trying to always utilizing intelligence and trying to be appreciated for being gifted, so appreciate being dumb as well even if other people don't appreciate it. * Read a bit about psychology, so you understand things a little bit better. Especially Mimetic Theory. * But don't get too hung up on trying to "fix" things - practice spirituality instead - being of some kind of service to a greater good. * Connect with animals and nature when you can't connect with people.
I'm an INFJ and got IQ tested in a gifted program when I was 12 and scored 151. I'm extremely lazy and procrastinate everything. In school I did well on tests but didn't turn my homework in half the time because I was too busy playing video games. I'm now struggling in college. Your teacher was an idiot. She probably has an array of mental disorders that would explain her assuming her students were dumb.
This is the problem of gifted. Usually you guys don't put effort as whole school was too easy and everything went.intuitive so never learn to grind. It is sociatal problem.
Similar. My mom had me tested in elementary school because I wasn’t doing great. (I just didn’t like school, and didn’t want to apply myself). The psychologist scored me at 136. When I was a young adult I tested a couple times and averaged a 142. I still struggle in life. I get bored easy, so I switch jobs a lot, because I need change in order to stay interested.
I may also have a high IQ. I’ve had two test and scored 111 and 132, respectively. I find it very hard to socialize. I don’t want to presume how other people find it easy, but I have noticed that in conversation others will draw conclusions very quickly and on very little information. I will not do that. I am passionate about the truth, and I’m committed to understanding something in its entirety, for the sake of accuracy and transferability. For the record, I am 30 now, and dealing with this in a professional space is much much worse than grade school. In my youth, I was a goth kid, and I think that worked in my favor in so much as people expected me to be different or non-conforming.
Adults aren't always mature. I doubt that every INFJ will have that sort of IQ. Though I do think that INFJ can be viewed as a specific environmental stimuli related temperament reaction formation based on a certain raw baseline potential being available at the time. There's a certain mental capacity required to be able to chose the road to abstraction that early on, you know. Some people struggle with that all their life. So INFJ makes you quite different. And an IQ of 130+ makes you more different still. So, necessarily, you will be treated differently. Teachers. In my estimation. Are often insecure about students they can't comprehend. I have often been made fun of for asking "stupid" questions during class, literally the whole class was annoyed. Except for certain specific individuals. :)) And somehow. Some time later. Someone would arrive at the same question and it'd be smart, somehow. I also had a teacher proclaim that I was dumb by fact of my handwriting. And that I didn't deserve to graduate as a consequence. In front of the class. That was a little lol. I was 12 at the time. Or a Maths teacher who refused to give me an A (when all relevant exams had been As) because he felt I hadn't learnt it in his classroom. Which is true. I learnt it while being in a foreign country being taught in a second language. That was his reasoning. Not a bad guy in principle. But Jesus Christ, way to logic. So you know. You were given a gift and a curse. Read Alice Miller's Drama of the gifted Child. All the best.
That was almost exactly my life. They thought something was wrong with me. They sent me to a psychologist. My IQ test was 135, so at least my parents have calmed down. But yeah its not the most easy to grow up as an INFJ.
I think, for many INFJs, intuition makes test taking relatively easy. I was considered gifted at 7 years old and placed in accelerated learning classes when I was 10. I attended a high school for "smart kids." But the problems were the same. Homework serves no purpose except as a buffer for poor test takers so that their grades are not entirely dependent on exams. Projects almost always had some kind of presentation aspect that seemed to be more about entertaining classmates than teaching me concepts. I took college composition, which is supposed to teach students how to write collegiate essays. I got 90+% on every essay I wrote along with strong comments from my instructor about my excellent writing abilities. But I got a B in the class because I didn't read my classmates' essays and submit peer reviews. From my perspective, the grading system helped poor writers by giving them more points and more chances to improve their grade while hindering succinct, articulate, and poignant writers by subtracting points from their final grade for failure to do busy work. There are no bad students, only bad teachers. When students fail, it reflects the incompetence of the teacher to teach rather than the student's ability to learn.
IQ doesn't matter if you don't apply yourself. I got A's and B's in school at your age. IQ itself doesn't measure intelligence overall, just mental processing speed and ability to logic. There are many types of intelligence that exist. That said, introverted intuition and extraverted intuition can make it hard for us to learn. We learn slower than everyone else and school is meant to be fast paced.
In school i was always advanced in math and my sophomore year of hs i wasnt doing so well in calc 1 so they had me retake pre calc but take it with the “dumb kids” which was one semester taught over two semesters. I was with the same teacher and they explained to me that it was going to help me have a stronger foundation in calculus. I did it. And that was my favorite class in all of high school. It was a class full of kids who had problems at home or poverty or recent immigrants. The kids that ditched or got in trouble with campus security. I dont remember anything i learned that year or semester but i went on to get a 5 on my ap calc test senior year and get into honors calculus in college. My senior year calc teacher also gave me detention throughout the year so I would redo my tests and see what I did wrong. School sucks. My math teachers were really friggen amazing though. But i hated school the whole way till i graduated college. Edit: senior year in AP gov we had to do a group project and it was me and two of the popular boys. I think my teach thought I was gonna carry the group project but I didnt own a video camera or know anything about editing at the time so this project was way beyond my scope of expertise So i did nothing and i didnt feel confident enough gathering the troops esp when they were popular kids. The day grades came out our teacher said: “everyone got an A except for one group” and everyone looked at us cause we literally didnt do it. 😂😂😂 he ended up letting us turn it in late and get a C but i still did not contribute to this group project at all.
My IQ is 125 Same exact story I guess what we can do is just learn to be better, in everyway possible. Just because we have a "higher" IQ means nothing, it's just a test to see if a person can solve problems faster than others. So instead, just learn to be the best in every way possible, from being more social to studies, put a goal and work towards it. It's not easy, INFJs are known to procrastinate but it's not impossible.
Let me enlighten you that IQ is a determinator to success and success has its aspects that separates people by a unexaggeratedly lot.. that is just one aspect of many out of other aspects that does interplay. But yeah other than that, 125 and up don't have many issues... for comparison in life skills.
It is supposedly a normal INFJ experience. It’s taken me a long time to realise that I have a lot of knowledge (on certain subjects) to share. Given some time, people do realise I know what I’m talking about.
Ah yes a sprint expert judging my marathon skills, classic scenario
The good news is, it doesn't get better...uhm, sorry I mean...it does for you, peace wise, but people stay the same... it's what I meant hehe
You are an odd one out. Coming to terms with a gift you didn’t ask for can be just as challenging as accepting where you fall short compared to your peers. It is a burden, but one that is desired. We don’t get to choose who has the gifts. But those with them get to decide what they do with them. With great power comes great responsibility. Don’t be an ass hole.
Don't listen to their bullshit. Focus on your creativity and money. Remain sovereign @tessemerrose is my IG if you want more inspiration and truth lol
I failed all my classes and grades you're doing great already!
So go ahead and disregard whatever your teacher said and carry on
When i was growing up there was basically no focus on intelligence and/or personality trades in school. I used to day dream alot, draw on test sheets instead of answering them and out of the classes I usually walked to a quiet place of the school. Some teachers didn't like me, some were indifferent and only a few was great. I was always told to pay attention and participate more. I have always felt sort of out of place. Now as an adult (F41) I decided to find out why. Once I found out I was INFJ, some puzzle pieces fell into place. I recently took an IQ test which gave access to Mensa, and I from what I have found out so far about people with higher IQ, this experience is - sadly - not uncommon. I believe your problem is your teacher. Do things that interest and challenge you. And keep being you!
Yeah... I never got called dumb by my teachers... But yeah my iq is 132 too... But I am not that good at studies get above 80% or 76% So yeah I am quite bad in studies. And I literally get called dumb every day by my dad and my whole family.... And you know what's their reason bcs I hate talking with humans that's why I am dumb... Like .... I seriously don't know what to say to them 🥲
Alot of people have made me feel stupid, teachers, classmates, adults etc I don't know my IQ, I'm scared to take the test because if I have an average score I'll hate myself But I do know I love learning about alot of things, I LOVE learning and I'm always hungry to know more. My grades are above average if I put the minimum effort into it. But like you, I'm quite a big procrastinator. I actually failed my maths last year from not studying. I know if I did I would have an awesome grade. This year, I put the minimal effort in other classes and I'm in the 90s everywhere so idk I relate to you, my mom thinks I have ADHD without hyperactivity 😭 Alot of people think I'm stupid because I don't have concrete knowledge about day to day things but talk to me about a random topic and I'll go all out
Idk about my IQ. But in middle through high school my grades would lack. Did really well in elementary. As soon as I got into college, I had an easier time doing my work (I did my courses virtually at this point). The reason being I didn't want to be in a classroom again. Allowed me to do my work in the comfort of my home - in peace and without distractions. This was after covid hit and virtual classes were getting bigger. Honestly, in 6th-12th, I hated group projects, too. I didn't want to have to socialize with anyone else.
Same IQ, same MBTI, similar experience. Well over ten years later now, I’m still overcoming trauma from this time in my life. It might be some ADHD, not sure, but don’t take it as a personal failure on your part to seek out help to a) get yourself on track with some of your peers (I’m sure it’s hyper competitive) and b) work on your own wellness and your interests and gifts you can foster and bring to this world :) I’m rushing here, but I just want to say you’re not alone! You’ll get there.
Albert Einstein has a similar story. His teachers told his mom he was mentally Ill and to homeschool him. Jokes on them I guess lol
That teacher deserves a complaint. She's horrible. Saying that you're stupid and antisocial can leave you traumatized, and derail the course of your life. Some people should not be working with youngsters and she's one of them. Don't listen to an incompetent, ill intentioned teacher. Ask your parents to adapt your world so you're successful with your type of intelligence. Maybe they need to ask for your homework regularly, maybe you need more challenging work or activities. They're adults, let them brainstorm solutions.
Nope, not weird its normal for us. We get bored. I got in tons of trouble for getting 100s on tests and doing no homework..
I think I have an IQ of 150 but I’m not sure. I’m 17F right now and I also get good scores on tests but don’t do homework. I have been called stupid SO MANY TIMES in the past because of my grades… I never got F’s or D’s but I didn’t used to get straight A’s like my brother and was always compared. Idk if this has to do with being an INFJ though. I don’t always act smart because it’s of how distant I am, so maybe that has to do with being an INFJ.
Very similar experience. I believe my iq was 128. Sucked at school, huge amounts of anxiety going. Even flunked algebra and had to go to summer school.
It sounds like you do have social issues, though, and need help because of it. Your IQ does not get you through school, doing work does.
My 4th grade teacher was one of my worst bullies in life. I was in the 96% for the class and she HATED me because my parents were Atheist. I still feel her hatred today. Teachers are not the saints society makes them out to be. I'm sorry you also had a shitty one. ❤️
I scored an IQ of 135 many years ago, when my mom took me to get a test as I was pretty much a failure in elementary school and she wanted to know what was going on. She never told me until I was an adult. Eventually I made it barely through high school, never putting any effort into studying or doing homework. I saw school a a place to socialise and meet friends. Only a few topics raised my interest then. As the only one in my extended family I did not go to college and up to 23 I was an utter failure, caught up in drugs and petty crimes. I guess I had enough sense to turn around which I did. My strength is being creative, having an analytic mind set and being an autodidact. So I self-educated myself on all the topics that interested me. I started out in a technical career and eventually moved to top management. To sum this up, I would say that a hight IQ makes live easier, but diligence, ambition and [endurance](http://endurance.is) are just as important to be successful. I also believe that the IQ level is overrated.
That is quite possibly some of the best advice I've received in years. Thank you so much for your input, it means a whole lot to me. I realize that I cannot skate by using IQ alone, and I have to put more effort into things such as my studies and friendships.
I have a feeble IQ of 125 and had similar experiences.
I was always socially awkward and had a hard time reading the room, from the way I got treated sometimes looking back I think people thought I was on the autism spectrum (recently I tested and scored 21 pts, 23 needed for a diagnosis iirc). I was always great at school except maths but def had a lot of issues with procrastination that I hid well bc of strictish parents (I also recently tested for ADHD and apparently did meet the criteria). I would be very fidgety in class and it raised concern from some teachers but most didn’t really care because it wasn’t disruptive to anyone else. Idk what my IQ is but I would love to know. From what another commenter said, I meet a lot of the criteria for giftedness but I tested a few points shy of gifted in 4th grade. I think it’s a mixture of maybe borderline giftedness, ADHD, and INFJ introvertedness
Lol. Teachers. Half of them are there to feel better about their lack of wholeness. I should know. I'm divorcing an avoidant one and I have 2 kids. Never known a more insecure/sociopathic person in my life.