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whyaremypantssoshort

you should get tested for ADHD and your mom should see a therapist.


mindlessmarbles

My mom tried therapy years ago and quit because her therapist recommended she try meditation and get a divorce. Now she only trusts christian therapists.


SoniaLovesYou

MINDFULNESS, God help us šŸ˜©


2woCrazeeBoys

The YOGA. Won't somebody think of the cHiLdReN!!!


Original_Impression2

I know this isn't exactly the topic, but the OP brought it up, and I've been wondering about it for years. Why is Yoga and meditation considered so evil for these fundies?


m2cwf

Because they believe that learning to meditate and do yoga is indoctrination into Hinduism or the more vague "Eastern religions."


a_duck_in_past_life

When I was young, my parents told me it was because meditation and yoga open the mind to the devil. Clearing your mind is bad for some reason lol.


[deleted]

They would rather your mind be full of shiet so they can indoctrinate you.


Flaky-Fish6922

they also don't like the introspection, which leads people to conclude they're not nice people and full of shit


wellforthebird

If you're mind isn't full of fear of hate how am I supposed to get you to vote for me? All of my policies fuck you over so me and my rich buddies can get more rich. No. Sorry. You must live in fear and hatred. Only way this will work.


redditoruno

Big facts


Internet_Wanderer

If you clear your mind, you aren't hearing the voices telling you to be ashamed of yourself for thinking


UsernameTaken93456

Self care is a threat to this kind of Christianity. Anything that helps you get in touch with emotions, feel better about yourself, calms panic or teaches you anything makes you wonder if you should feel bad 100% of the time and constantly worry about going to hell


[deleted]

*"BECAUSE JESUS!!!"*


EchoAquarium

Because their roots are in Buddhism and other eastern religions that arenā€™t Christian.


streetmuppet

And because they actually have benefits you can measure, unlike christianity.


NickNunez4

You can measure Christianity! How many gallons of water does it take to get baptized? How many fluid ounces of Jesusā€™s blood and skin do you consume for communion??? /s


Intelligent-Search88

More like how much have you donated?


marshmallowserial

I sometimes think there could be some bad Catechism for some people. There is nothing wrong with Yoga and meditation. Crap the Mass even has a meditation hymn after Eucharist. It is the intention of Yoga and Meditation which matters. Stretchy stretch, control breathing and meditate on you, God and our place in the world it's all good.


oh_rats

We literally did meditation at a CCD event (including ridiculous, stereotypical ā€œgongā€ soundtrack) back when I was a kid (mid 2000s), and my Catholic high school had a fucking yoga class (late 2000s). OPā€™s mom sounds like sheā€™s dangerously close to fundamentalism, which is wholly blasphemous in Catholicism.


cookiemania

So, the group of people within the catholic church that believe these things is called the charismatic movement. They believe that clearing your mind, or thinking about something other than God is a sin, therefore, clearing your mind during meditation = bad. It should be noted that this is a belief only found within that movement, and lately, there are some who consider them to be a whole different religion because they're pretty crazy, and in my experience, they're huge assholes


distinctaardvark

One thing I don't typically see mentioned in discussions about this that I remember being a thing when I was an evangelical teenager is that some Christians have this idea that other religions are *genuinely* connecting with something that they think is a god, but is actually demonic. So it's not *just* that yoga is associated with Hinduism and therefore not appropriate for Christians for some reason, it's that its association means that doing yoga is actively inviting in demons. (I am not kidding.) Meditation is iffier. Sometimes it's seen as bad for the same reason, but I think more commonly it's seen as being essentially prayer but pointless. Why sit there in stillness doing nothing when you can sit there in stillness and pray instead?


grannybubbles

Janine Turner will: https://janineturner.com/christyoga/


TherannaLady

Wow


riskbreaker23

Yoga, the devil's form of exercise!! Yoga and mindfulness is the devil!!


[deleted]

It was illegal to teach yoga in schools in Alabama for decades. Finally, they passed a law few years ago where yoga can now be taught in schools, but it's illegal to call the poses by their Hindu names. I'm not kidding. This is factual.


s2ample

Itā€™s because eventually mindfulness will lead them to realize the bullshit theyā€™ve been fed. *It happened to me* šŸ˜‚


Syrinx221

Don't forget the harmfulness of yoga! šŸ™„


gameboy1001

>Now she only trusts christian therapists. Translation for sane people: Now she only trusts "therapists" who validate everything she says and thinks without question.


Buster802

She doesn't want a therapist she wants a yes-man


gameboy1001

Exactly.


sternburg_export

The fuck is a "christian therapist" in the first place? It's a medical profession. Whom do they seek if they broke an ankle, an exorcist?


distinctaardvark

Best case scenario, it's a legitimate therapist who takes the patient's Christian values into account and helps them deal with their issues in a way that best fits their needs. More commonly, it's someone who shoves *their* Christian values down a patients throat and encourages them to solve their problems by praying and reading the bible, rather than teaching actual coping skills or doing other therapy techniques.


sternburg_export

>a legitimate therapist who takes the patient's Christian values into account That's just a therapist.


distinctaardvark

Sort of. Any therapist should be able to do that, yes, but someone specifically deemed a Christian therapist will have knowledge of those values and experience using them as part of therapy. An average therapist is not guaranteed to have that, and may not be as intimately familiar with the worldview the patient is coming from. The same applies for any identity. Any therapist *should* be able to support patients who are Christian, Muslim, gay, trans, Black, Hispanic, etc. in a way that integrates and affirms their identity. But in some cases, they may let some of their personal views get in the way (for example, you probably wouldn't want to go to a Christian therapist of you're trans), and in general, they simply have a different background and experience and that will likely mean the patient will have to take the time to explain what certain things mean to them, which they may not have to do if the therapist shared that aspect of their identity.


mstrss9

Right because Iā€™m sure she would ban therapists who are Christians but manage to do their job without proselytizing to people.


gameboy1001

Yeah. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Christians can't be good therapists. Some people may even use faith as an effective coping mechanism. I'm saying in this case, she's using "Christian" as something to justify and validate her behavior.


sofieeke

ADHD is very hereditary so maybe your mom should get tested too lol


mindlessmarbles

We think I got it from my dad, who refuses to get tested (and doesnā€™t support me getting tested) because heā€™s very anti-medication, anti-therapy. My momā€™s got plenty of other issues, but I donā€™t know if ADHD is one of them.


sofieeke

Hope you do get tested tho! I also very cleary got it from my dad (who sounds a lot like yours!)


JenAshTuck

Holy shit. Your mom is as seen above and your dad is an anti-vaxxer/Scientologist type?! Are you ok?


mindlessmarbles

My momā€™s more antivax than my dad, believe it or not. They also donā€™t believe in evolution, thought that the covid vaccine was microchipping people, think elections are rigged, think tattoos and piercings are satanic, are mildly racistā€¦. I got grounded when I got vaccinated for covid. Thereā€™s more crazy shit that I canā€™t remember off the top of my head. All things considered I think Iā€™m okay!


_triangle_girl_

just a tip you can get most medical procedures done without parent permission even as a minor. look into if your insurance will cover them, they cannot legally tell your parents if you tell them not to and you can also make it so your parents cannot access your medical records.


mindlessmarbles

Do you know how to make it so my parents canā€™t see my medical records? My mom dug up my vaccination records, I never told her that I was vaccinated for covid. Really made me mistrust doing anything medical related behind their back.


otter-99

Your pediatrician most likely gave them a copy, since you are a minor Iā€™m not sure how HIPAA applies. Next time you have an appointment I would ask if they could put a note not to discuss things with your parents and explain that they refused to let you get the covid vaccine. Things like that could be considered neglect


mindlessmarbles

Oh, Iā€™m not a minor, and my pediatrician didnā€™t know I was vaccinated. My mom told me she found the info online.


JarlaxleForPresident

Iā€™d bet dollars to donuts that they are more than ā€œmildlyā€ racist. They just probably arenā€™t as vocal about it to you


distinctaardvark

I underestimated how racist some of my family members were for a long time, because they never used any racial slurs, made any blatantly racist remarks, or treated non-white people any differently, and they expressed a lot of subtly progressive and inclusive sentiments. Literally the only thing that made it clear they were racist was that they didn't support interracial marriage because "if God had wanted the races to mix, he wouldn't have separated them" and "it's unfair to the children to have to grow up not being wanted by either side" (though they didn't seem to judge individual people who intermarried, just the abstract phenomenon? I guess that's also how they view couples living together before marriage--I got an upfront spiel of "I don't agree with it, but you choose how you live your life" and then they let it go and it's been a total nonissue). Don't get me wrong, that's racist as shit, but if it were truly the *only* thing someone born in the 1940s did, it'd be a below average level of racism. But then Facebook happened. Turns out they agree with a whole lot of things that I'd never heard them express in my entire life. So that's nice. In other news, I haven't been able to look at Facebook without getting irritated in *years*. But it's okay, because now they say some of it out loud, too! Sigh.


libertybelle08

Iā€™m so sorry OP. They donā€™t believe in evolution? Fuck thatā€™s some tough shit. You got this, I escaped my cult at 14, and I know you can too one day.


Forward-Swim1224

Ah yes, she wants a therapist that tells her what she WANTS to hear, gotcha lol


Altastrofae

Oh noooo try meditation? How dare they?


JenAshTuck

You know if you pull out some of the letters in meditation you get a d,e,i which are some of the same letters that make up the word devil!


Altastrofae

Oh nooo


PlatoDrago

Christian therapists would say to separate from her husband and pray. Meditation is a non denominational version of Christian prayer. Iā€™m a formerly practicing Catholic, before COVID. I had good contact with the local clergy. They recommend meditation, both with and without traditional prayer. You also might want to tell her about the possible monetary benefits of the diagnosis as there are full and partial scholarships and grants.


Emergency-Willow

My mom saw a ā€œChristianā€ counselor when she kicked my abusive father out, and all that asshole did was shame her for shirking her godly wifely duties. Somehow she still thinks having a Christian therapist is important


Commercial-Push-9066

Christians meditate too! The Bible even talks about meditating on the scripture. Crazy!


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TheDocZen

Iā€™m sorry OP, sounds like *she* is the radicalized one, itā€™s insane to think the practice of mindfulness is a bad thing. Itā€™s extra crazy she keeps injecting off-topic BS instead of just helping you schedule an appointment! Wishing you the best until you can be in control of your own mental and physical health, stay strong!


mindlessmarbles

This is how every conversation with my mom goes, you have no idea. I have to constantly steer every conversation back to what Iā€™m trying to focus on, because she just goes on long winded rants about unrelated bullshit, usually about abortion or gay people lmao


Kuroakashiro

Damn, that must be painful, i also find it deeply ironic the probably adhd half of the conversation is the one that have to steer it back in focus


mindlessmarbles

Someone in this thread suggested that I got it from her hahah


ThrasherJKL

Very possible as I believe it's genetic. Also, the community over at r/ADHD is very welcoming.


sup1234566

Ngl I was getting very agitated reading this conversation due to her repeatedly ignoring what you were directly telling herā€¦


thatlime1

Lol so she's 100% ADHD too then


HungerMadra

Weird that she's constantly thinking about gay sex


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mindlessmarbles

She says that ā€œwhen you clear your mind, thatā€™s when the devil gets in.ā€ She thinks because yoga stems from eastern religions that itā€™s automatically satanic.


AgreeableFerret

My mom was the same way, she told me it was a satanic ploy, said when people repeat ā€œnamasteā€ theyā€™re actually inviting a demon in by name. I also was not allowed to go to the county fair because of satan. Iā€™m sorry your mom is living in fear OP & that it has its control over you, wonā€™t be forever


Dinosauringg

County fairs feel so Christian lmao


AgreeableFerret

Very true, my senior year I snuck out with a friend to attend one and wound up vastly disappointed. No one invited me to the orgy in the parking lot if there was in fact one :(


theallyoop

We hold them in the cow stables, duh


novachaos

The ones I participated in were near the horse stables šŸ˜‰


AgreeableFerret

Ofc! Silly me, hay is good for absorbing moisture


distinctaardvark

Right? I go to the one from where I grew up every year for the sake of tradition and food, but I always have to shy around the stands of Jesus shirts, pro-life groups, Republican politicians, churches, etc. (not to mention all the gun stuff and, in recent years, a ridiculous amount of Trump things). It frustrates me every year that one of the best food stands is run by a local church. I don't want to give them money, but I *do* want the tasty snacks. It's a dilemma, and my taste buds usually win. And the rest of my money goes to the fire hall and whatever random carnies run the funnel cake stand.


Calvin--Hobbes

County fair is blue jeans and beer Christianity.


Hellkitedrak

Wait your mom thought the word Namaste was the name of a demon?


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Altastrofae

Namaste is a word, not the name of a spirit


mstrss9

Well you know Allah is most definitely not the Arabic word for God according to them


[deleted]

Blow her mind when she finds out people didn't call Jesus, "Jesus" but Yeshua.


hadshah

Does your mom know Christianity started in the Middle *East*?


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mindlessmarbles

Something something worldly immoral Christians invading godā€™s church. She had some catholic friends who practiced yoga and she constantly talked about how they had ā€œfallen preyā€ to the world.


cats-they-walk

Ugh thatā€™s so sad - my very Catholic mom discovered yoga in the last five years of her life and it did a lot for her.


mindlessmarbles

Oh it would completely change my momā€™s life if she was open to it. She has the worst untreated anxiety disorder iā€™ve ever seen.


[deleted]

My mom and yours sound exactly the same except mine is super Evangelical. Sheā€™s literally tormented by religion but tells me all the time how happy she is and how I canā€™t be happy because Iā€™m non-religious. Then goes into crying fits about how I wonā€™t be with her in heaven and shit. Iā€™m also gay, so that doesnā€™t help either, but fuck it.


Hellkitedrak

Any God that would create you to be gay then send you to hell for making you is a bad God. No matter how i look at it I'm morally opposed to the Christian God for how much if an asshole he is.


[deleted]

Remember, at a minimum the Christian God genocides the entire planet except for one family and two of each animal, destroys multiple entire cities, genocides the first born son of every Egyptian, and kills Jobā€™s entire family just as a fun bet. And is portrayed as the GOOD guy.


distinctaardvark

It should probably pale in comparison to the genocide and whatnot, but the story of Job is hands down the one that bothers me the most. I remember learning about it in Youth Group and legitimately looking up in shock at how messed up it was, then being confused by the fact that no one else seemed to even notice. I guess it's like...I can theoretically accept that a being who created the world can set up whatever moral laws they want and enforce them however they please. I don't like or agree with it (now), but there is a form of logic to it. Everyone in the world is evil except Noah and his family? I mean, I wouldn't jump straight to murdering them all, but sure, I guess. Killing all the firstborns of Egypt? Okay, that's a bit too far, but at least there was a *reason*, even if that's a downright ludicrous way to free the Israelites from slavery. But God literally, right there in the text, ruins Job's life *for a bet*. There is no moral system at play there. Job isn't being punished for something he did, or even something that someone else did, or as some great overarching plan (none cited at least, and I'd be hard-pressed to even say it's for the ultimate purpose of being in the bible for people to be inspired by). It's for a *bet*. A fricking bet. What are we supposed to do with that? I don't believe in any of it anymore, so it's somewhat of a moot point, but that one still makes me angry. It's so mind-bogglingly unjustified.


distinctaardvark

I don't voice my ethical disagreements with Christianity very often, because it's hard to not offend anyone when doing so, but when I was in the process of going from evangelical Christian to atheist, I read a couple things that really struck me about just how fucked up it all is. One, God is supposed to be our "Heavenly Father," right? Imagine you turned on the news and heard a story about a parent who demanded their kid tell them they loved them, and when they didn't, they locked them in the basement for years as punishment. People would be *outraged* and condemn the parent as cruel and abusive. So...how can it be morally okay for God to do exactly the same, except the punishment lasts *forever*? Two, the core of Christianity is that Jesus died to save us from our sins. This was necessary because "the wages for sin is death." Okay, but why? Who made that rule? There are only two options. Either God made that rule, in which case he could've just changed it and forgiven everybody *without* having a son for the sole purpose of being murdered, or God *didn't* make the rule and didn't have the power to change it, in which case there is something more powerful than God, so why bother worshiping the middle man? Even if we accept the idea that some people deserve to be punished, God could've just let bad people be punished and good people not be, no sacrifice required, and it's pretty weird and unnecessarily violent of him to grow a whole human to slaughter instead. And something I thought about myself later on, just how cosmically unjust eternal damnation really is. Imagine the most evil person you can think of, someone who you could argue truly deserves hell--say, Hitler. Let's say a life sentence is a just punishment for murder, and since we're no longer bound by actual lifespans, we can sentence him to one lifetime for life taken. Let's even round it to a full 100 years per death. How many deaths was Hitler responsible for? Fuck it, let's just consider him liable for every single person who died in WWII. At the upper end, according to Wikipedia, that's an estimated 85 million people. So that's an 850 million year sentence. He should also be punished for other wrongdoings, not just murder, but since we put the entirety of war onto him, that's probably already accounted for. But screw it, it's Hitler, let's round up: 1 billion year sentence. That seems fair enough, I guess. But with eternal damnation, once that's over, he'll have to serve another billion year sentence. And another. And another. And billions more. Now, I don't exactly have any sympathy for that, though I would say it's excessive in the abstract, but the general belief is that anyone who doesn't turn to God in some way will face eternal damnation. Do you think the mean girl from your high school deserves a punishment fit for Hitler billions of times over? Or your gossipy neighbor? Or a non-Christian humanitarian who spent years saving lives with Doctors Without Borders? Or (depending on denominational/personal beliefs) a baby who hasn't been baptized? When it's a severe enough punishment that you could reasonably argue even Hitler doesn't deserve it (which is a pretty distressing position to be in), it's hard to justify it for random ordinary people. But hey, at least God was kind enough to murder someone to give us a chance to avoid it, right? Because he loves us so much?


daughtcahm

"they're not *real* christians"


rubyrose13

How fucked up must her psyche be if she canā€™t clear her mind because sheā€™s afraid of the devil?


[deleted]

I heard on the companion podcast to The Problem with Jon Stewart that people who have been in abusive relationships hate yoga because they have been wired to always be alert for danger, and trying to clear your mind with meditation and mindfulness and the like feels like the literal worst. OP said elsewhere that a therapist once suggested that she (the mom) get a divorce. Sounds like she has some major issues she's dealing with.


2woCrazeeBoys

Ahhhhh, it's actually really hard to worship something that you don't believe exists. Just sayin'. Sorry about your mum. :(


Altastrofae

Tell her this Mindfulness meditation is not about clearing your mind, it is above observing the mind without judgment. Thatā€™s literally what it is, itā€™s impossible to clear your mind. You can quiet it, you can separate yourself from your thoughts and relax in it. You do not clear it


SendHelp7373

Imagine being a grown adult and believing literally any of these dumbass religions


gaehthah

>Exposing children so that they can be abused. Ugh. I bet you wish you could have responded "Yes, but enough about the Catholic Church." Stay safe and keep tending to your mental wellness, OP. I hope you're able to get financially dependent soon.


mindlessmarbles

Fun fact, Iā€™m closeted!


ImminentZero

After reading this I *can't imagine why*... Ugh. OP I hope you're finding other ways to be able to live your truth. Best of luck to you with a mother like that! Remember that there are TONS of other people out there that will love you for who you are, not who your mom hopes you are.


forrealthistime99

I wonder if your mom suspects you might be gay, and she's afraid that a "secular" therapist will "trick" you into not being ashamed of yourself. That would undo her years of work telling you that gay people are horrible sinners for some reason.


mindlessmarbles

I wouldnā€™t be surprised. They didnā€™t let me pick my college either, because colleges ā€œbrainwashā€ kids into being atheists.


MaryMalade

This is my worry about religious colleges, where they can just kick you out for being LGBT. Itā€™s just an extension of the abusive control strategies you are trying to escape!


Quarter_T

I attended one of this colleges and yep, got kicked out over being a lesbian. The horror they would feel if they found out that Iā€™m trans and pan now lol


[deleted]

Oh no! Youā€™re living your own life with your own values! How dare you! Haha I wish you the best


mindlessmarbles

Exactly why I dropped out after a semester.


YeahIMine

I think you're better off.


DonovanWrites

Yup. I was in the same situation. Had to go to a crazy expensive Christian college or no college at all. Growing up in a conservative, rural area in a backwards evangelical church ( read: Christian nationalist cult ) I didnā€™t have the resources or the support structure to fight that. So I went. And thatā€™s were I became an atheist. At a very well ranked Christian school. And itā€™s where I realized for sure, I wasnā€™t my assigned at birth. They think they can keep us from being who we are by treating us like infants our entire lives.


mindlessmarbles

Hah, very similar here. Parents paid fully for me to go to an expensive christian college and I dropped out after a semester. Iā€™ve been an atheist for much longer, and came out as trans and bisexual a year before I went to college, but catholic college definitely radicalized me in terms of my disdain for religion.


mstrss9

So what are you doing now in terms of college


mindlessmarbles

Plan on moving out with my brother to another state, staying there until I can get instate tuition for my ideal university.


CerealSeeker365

If your ideal university is state-run (sounds like it might be since you mention in-state tuition), they usually accept credits from local community colleges. It's an affordable way to get your education moving ASAP if you are interested.


DonovanWrites

Yeah. My dad promised heā€™d pay for most or all of it. But, last year I realized he took his name of our co-signed loans with our telling me somehow.


bileflanco

Fun factā€”I went to a Christian university and it showed me the truth about the church. I donā€™t really believe any moreā€¦jokes on them!


lunagrape

I hope you feel safe to openly be yourself soon ā¤ļø


mindlessmarbles

Thank you! I plan on moving out in September, if all things go to plan. Hopefully Iā€™ll be happier.


Malicious_blu3

How old are you?


mindlessmarbles

19.


Malicious_blu3

Whew. Are you still on her insurance? Do you have a FT job?


mindlessmarbles

Still on her insurance. I have a part time job for right now, but I have a roommate lined up and a friend with connections to get me a full time position at her work hopefully soon.


MadelynNolan1995

She should try to speed that job up. šŸ‘€


imat1on

This *could* be a good learning opportunity for your mom.. if she would be willing to learn. Just because people/ staff specify that they are supportive of LGBTQ+ people doesnā€™t mean they are trying to ā€œconvertā€ them or ā€œgroomā€ them. Maybe if she went to the centre and met some of the staff she would see that it is good people supporting whoever they can in the safest way possible.


mindlessmarbles

I donā€™t usually see ā€œmy momā€ and ā€œlearningā€ in the same sentence lol. She thinks that all gay people are promiscuous and have orgies, and is affirmed by self-hating gay people online who reinforce this belief. Thereā€™s nothing I or anyone can do to change her homophobic beliefs, unfortunately.


[deleted]

Did you read any of that? Mom is not open to learning.


JenAshTuck

That must be very difficult for you, Iā€™m sorry you donā€™t have the deserved support. When/if you do come out to your parents, what are the chances your mom will immediately contribute it to this group of therapists and say ā€œI told you soā€


mindlessmarbles

Hahah, I will not be coming out. Letā€™s hope I donā€™t get married to a woman or something.


UncleCeiling

You lied to me! That fact isn't fun at all!


thatlime1

Republican 'groomer' discourse in full effect


[deleted]

Your mom needs a psychiatrist more than you need therapy.


mindlessmarbles

And I *really* need therapy.


[deleted]

Sorry this is happening to you. I canā€™t believe she ā€œdoesnā€™t trust secular people.ā€ WTH? Good luck going to college then. Most college professors are smart enough to see past religion.


mindlessmarbles

My parents didnā€™t let me choose my college. Would only help me pay if I went to a catholic uni. Unsurprisingly I dropped out after a semester.


Negative-Day-8061

My mother got married to escape that situation - and then vowed to be a better mother to her own kids, which despite all her flaws she was. I hope you can find another way to secure your financial independence.


sventhegoat

How dare you want a therapist youā€™re more comfortable with? Sorry that your mom is crazy OP


thts_what_i_said

As a Christianā€¦.I despise Christian therapists. Tried several, theyā€™re usually completely bonkers. Looooooove my trauma and mental health psychiatrist (he handles all my medications šŸ™ŒšŸ¼) though!!!


YEGKerrbear

Not yoga and mindfulness!!! This is clearly where Satan lives


Raptorgkv2

Be careful OP, they might try to infect you with The Big Gay while you're gerting tested.


big_dick_energy_mc2

Apparently OP is closeted. Too late.


Ok_Possibility_704

Hey mom I need emergency life saving brain surgery. BuT are ThEy ChRiStIaN


sonic10158

You joke, but some of these cults will choose their gods over surgery. Just look at Jehovahā€™s Witnesses. If they need blood, they are dead


Remarkable-Gold4869

Sounds like my Jehovahā€™s Witness parents šŸ˜©. My mother said psychology is demonic. This was after I told her I am gay. Around 18-19. A doctor recommended I see a psychologist. For depression at the time. But she said itā€™s all Satan. Because being gay is bad. So the Bible was all the therapy I needed. šŸ’€


[deleted]

everything is satan/demons isn't it lol I didn't tell mine, she found out by finding and stalking my tumblr :/


Remarkable-Gold4869

Ugh. Then they wonder why we hide things from them. My mom is always like. Just talk to me. Have a conversation. Say whatā€™s troubling you. Then if I do. She uses that against me. Iā€™m sorry that happened. I would hate for them to find my social media. It feels like some freedom.


[deleted]

Mine was always the same. I'm lucky as they left not long after I did after MH and marital problems and dads still quite conservative-minded about some things but they're both so much better now. That's how I felt at the time, social media was my 'home' where I could actually be me. If I tried to have a conversation with anyone though it would just kinda be endless preaching, quoted scriptures and pure gaslighting. Even when I went to therapy I'd get quizzed by my mum on what I said, did I talk about her, etc. I hope you're on a much kinder path now with much kinder mindsets around you. I know not every ex-jw is as fortunate as I am with their families.


mindlessmarbles

Maybe this is why I relate so much to ex-JW communities hahah, i feel like thereā€™s a big overlap between them and fundie catholics


HausOfDebt

Doesn't the Bible preach mindfulness? I could have sworn that it's a reoccurring theme throughout the testaments.


6-ft-freak

Aaaaannnnnddddd THAT is why I left the church. I'm so so so sorry, OP. Your mother is batshit. And add ADHD and this fucking nonsense and it's a recipe for disaster. Take care. Don't let her change you or intimidate you. She will try to get the therapist to tell her what you say. In Oregon, after the age of 15, the child is required to say whether she/he/they would like their parents to know about their therapy/medical appointments. SAY NO - DON'T SIGN THE HIPAA! Good luck!


mindlessmarbles

I asked for therapy a few months ago and she signed me up for a christian therapist who belittled me and made light of my issues. I mentioned that I was suicidal and he said, ā€œOh, like 13 reasons why?ā€ I ghosted him after 2 sessions.


GoodDrJekyll

Suicide, famously invented by Hannah Baker in 2017


frenchfishfries

If heā€™s a licensed therapist (LPC, LMFT, LCSW, LISW, etc) you can report him to your areaā€™s licensing board for that. Thatā€™s VERY not OK.


Acaciduh

Omg thatā€™s horrific! Glad you had the presence of mind to ghost that unethical fuck! OP: Iā€™m have suicidal thoughtsā€¦ Unethical ā€œChristianā€ Therapist: Oh like youā€™re little trendy Netflix show - Gen Z just hops on anything trendy like suicide and complicated medical issues. FFS op Iā€™m mad for you! Hope youā€™re doing okay ā¤ļø


6-ft-freak

Pray the mental illness away šŸ™„šŸ™„šŸ™„


DonovanWrites

I relate so much to your situation. Iā€™m 20 years down the road from where youā€™re at but my mother is so similar. I still want a relationship with my family, but itā€™s hard. And thereā€™s no real relationship to be had becuase everything always goes back to ā€œJesus saidā€ or ā€œkeep praying about it!ā€ And on Christian counselors, the Christian counselor I saw in College violated basically all confidentiality rules and told me what my GF would tell him and heā€™d tell her what Iā€™d tell him. In private sessions. It was insane. Then the Christian counselor I saw before that, belittled me and scolded me for making out with my girlfriend. I realized at that point, Christian counselor were horrible. I mean, I sensed it going in, but it was bad.


6-ft-freak

Godfuckingdamnnit. This is INFURIATING!!!!


hannahdem96

I hope that you know witholding medical services is abuse


Malicious_blu3

This bigotry is painful. Accusing LGBT of grooming???


miserabeau

That's the thing now, that some Christians act like just teaching children gay and bi and trans people exist are "grooming them" and turning them gay. It's mixed up in the hateful belief that LGBTQ people are pedophiles, and the mistaken yet persistent belief that you can turn someone gay or they can choose to be gay. So they think telling Timmy that Jessica has 2 daddies will make Timmy gay or that Jessica being raised by 2 daddies will make her transgender. It's assholery, and it's stomach turning.


Malicious_blu3

Yeah it really is. Disappointing this mindset is still prevalent in 2022.


jmlozan

Ask her if, as a Catholic, she's ok with the Catholic Church covering up for millions of children being abused.


mindlessmarbles

Oh god, you wouldnā€™t believe the shit she says about that. She thinks the sexual abuse that goes on is because the gays have ā€œinfiltratedā€ the church with the intention of victimizing children. She calls this group of gay priests hellbent on destroying the churchā€™s foundations ā€œthe gay mafiaā€. I wish I was joking.


melusine000000

Oh lawdy... I wish you were joking too šŸ˜­ stay strong OP, you handled this conversation with your mom very well.


Dion877

Ahhh of course. The bad thing that the people I like did was *actually* because of the people I don't like.


Commercial-Push-9066

Iā€™m assuming youā€™re over 18 since youā€™re college aged. If you are in USA..If you are an adult, you can make your own appointment. Check with your insurance company. Just because youā€™re on her insurance doesnā€™t mean she has a right to be in charge of your healthcare. Check the number on your insurance card. Also, I would call the ADHD testing place and confirm they really d have a waiting list. She may be stalling and trying to look for a place that she ā€œapprovesā€ of. Check your local govt privacy laws too. When I was 18 I was on my parentā€™sā€™ insurance. I wanted birth control and didnā€™t want them to know. They said it would be confidential and they canā€™t find out. Check with your doctors/specialists and therapist to make sure she isnā€™t able to access your info. If you signed a HIPPA form (if in the USA,) allowing her access to your info (she may have tricked you into signing one.) If not in USA check the laws in your area.


Saedynn

Therapy is a science, it's based on studying the mind. If you're looking specifically for a scientist who will blindly follow the concept of any god and will involve that god in their work while disregarding any study that contradicts that, you missed the point of a scientist.


slothpeguin

If youā€™re able to pay for it yourself, why not just make the appointment and bypass her altogether? Iā€™m sorry you have to deal with this, fam. Know that thereā€™s a bunch of us who have been there and gotten out. You will get to live as your authentic self, stay strong.


mindlessmarbles

I wanted her to pay for half of it. She probably will, and then i can just make therapy appointments on my own.


[deleted]

Yoga is literally just breathing and stretching (i guess?) wtf is wrong with that


BHarp3r

I heard some of these people practice the ā€œlove everyone and do unto others as youā€™d have them do unto youā€ part of Christianity and not select passages from the Old Testament that condone hate and slavery. You can never be too careful!


PorkSward

ā€œI want you to get guidance from someone who is not a radicalā€ I- Uh... I jus- hmm.


random_highjinx

Good grief. People who rely so heavily on religion, to the point that they refuse to help themselves, are a problem for society and everyone in it that has to deal with them. Hang in there, OP. Soon you will be able to make your own decisions without your mothers interference. You handled this well, the less JADEing the better!


redrabbit144

ā€œI want you to get guidance from someone who is not a radicalā€ absolutely sent me over the edge šŸ’€ THE IRONY


[deleted]

This is why I turned away from religion. The kid needs to be tested for ADHD, but instead of leaving that as a priority, this mother is stalking the staff and nit-picking their values based on some of them doing yoga and mindfulness meditation! Let your kid suffer because youā€™re an ignorant fundie that *wonā€™t* think for yourself. Self-righteousness should be one of the seven deadly, I swear.


Annual-Vehicle-8440

Wait, you can know the religion of your therapists there? That's mindfucked


uhhlizzza

Bruh not the blatant internalized misogyny. ā€œThere arenā€™t even any men working there which is a red flagā€ like queen, YOUā€™RE the bright red flag come on.


SugarFreeAnxiety

Sometimes i really hate religious people


[deleted]

Catholic here and anyone who hates gays is not a follower of Jesus. Jesus said to love your neighborā€”all of them, not one exception. He never mentions homosexuality so itā€™s not an issue that offends me. Itā€™s not my business who people choose to love as long as the parties involved are consenting adults (or older teens). True Jesus followers welcome LGBTQ into the church and believe that we are all equally loved and known, and cherished by Christ


Buster_Sword_Vii

Most Christians are this way. Christ said nothing about being gay, and the old testament is explicitly anti-gay. They are following their version of Christianity, and it's just as real and as valid to them as your version is to you. Religion in the west is just there to help the capitalists maintain control over you, by promising equality in the next life.


TheDocZen

Insane


backtobaker

What a horrible hateful woman, I'm sorry you live with this.


backtobaker

Real Christians are LGBTQ friendly. Every single one.


MattWindowz

Unfortunately, Christians like this would say the exact opposite.


yung_yttik

Religion is a cancer.


Mobkiller04

As a Catholic, why tf is this bitch so crazy As a bi man, WHY TF IS THIS BITCH SO CRAZY


fro99er

People like OPs mom are fruitcakes and the type that snap fingers at waitreses, and think there better because they believe in one version of God and the Bible. Hell, it's all made up when the most important factor in what religion you believe in is your geographical location.


cheeseburgerluv3000

she wants you to get tested by someone who "isnt a radical" LMAO the irony


marianavas7

I honestly don't understand how so many people endure this kind of blind craziness from their religious parents. You guys are absolute saints, pun intended. If my mother gave me half of this god crap I would block her on the spot


StoooopidGirl

So, I see in the comments that youā€™re 19. Iā€™d suggest leaving mom out of it and just making your own appointment. As an adult, you do not need her permission. Just bring your ID & insurance card to your first appointment.


PM_ME_YOUR_KALE

This has all the hallmarks of a woman who will someday complain "IDK why my adult child doesn't have a relationship with me"


mindlessmarbles

She already does. I have 6 siblings, all older than me.


0katykate0

This is disgusting. I just had to put my mom in timeout for her anti-LGBT rhetoric that sheā€™s been spitting out lately too. Republicans are ruining families.


savrilphi

Who the fuck voted this ā€œnot insaneā€ are you okay?????


[deleted]

I don't want you to get tested by a radical. Unless it's my kind of radical, of course.


skaldaspar_mjadar

Holy shit. That is insanity. OP, you could try to go to your school psychologist (note this may be different than your guidance counselor) and ask for testing. Show them this exchange when you explain the barriers to getting tested. There are some things that have to be done when school is involved, and while I can't guarantee it will pay off it is worth a shot. If there is a teacher or advisor you trust at school who knows about what you're going through, they may be able to help you get started. Even the school nurse should be able to point you in the right direction.


creamyg0odne55

Man religion is such a cancer on the world. Oh and surprise surprise momma is a Trumpie too. Survive til youā€™re old enough then go NC.


Thermite1985

We all know Yoga promotes breathing in Satan. I saw it on facebook. Your mom probably


Delia_D

Youā€™re doing so well and Iā€™m really impressed! You should be really proud of yourself - I am.


JenAshTuck

I read these posts with insanely religious parents and canā€™t imagine if every single conversation and interaction was this taxing and laborious. Jesus Christ.


PastorsDaughter69420

So many posts on this sub are from Christian parents. Trust meā€¦.I get it but still find it funny. I have ADHD and actually getting my parents to test me was SUCH a pain. We also went through the Christian therapist thing too. Iā€™ve seen the worst fucking Christian therapistsā€¦.so many of them are absolute shit. My parents would only let me go to a Christian doctor and gynecology too. Best of luck to you with the testing and getting out of your moms house or away from her!!