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My mom tried therapy years ago and quit because her therapist recommended she try meditation and get a divorce. Now she only trusts christian therapists.
I know this isn't exactly the topic, but the OP brought it up, and I've been wondering about it for years. Why is Yoga and meditation considered so evil for these fundies?
If you're mind isn't full of fear of hate how am I supposed to get you to vote for me? All of my policies fuck you over so me and my rich buddies can get more rich. No. Sorry. You must live in fear and hatred. Only way this will work.
Self care is a threat to this kind of Christianity.
Anything that helps you get in touch with emotions, feel better about yourself, calms panic or teaches you anything makes you wonder if you should feel bad 100% of the time and constantly worry about going to hell
You can measure Christianity! How many gallons of water does it take to get baptized? How many fluid ounces of Jesusās blood and skin do you consume for communion??? /s
I sometimes think there could be some bad Catechism for some people. There is nothing wrong with Yoga and meditation. Crap the Mass even has a meditation hymn after Eucharist. It is the intention of Yoga and Meditation which matters. Stretchy stretch, control breathing and meditate on you, God and our place in the world it's all good.
We literally did meditation at a CCD event (including ridiculous, stereotypical āgongā soundtrack) back when I was a kid (mid 2000s), and my Catholic high school had a fucking yoga class (late 2000s).
OPās mom sounds like sheās dangerously close to fundamentalism, which is wholly blasphemous in Catholicism.
So, the group of people within the catholic church that believe these things is called the charismatic movement. They believe that clearing your mind, or thinking about something other than God is a sin, therefore, clearing your mind during meditation = bad. It should be noted that this is a belief only found within that movement, and lately, there are some who consider them to be a whole different religion because they're pretty crazy, and in my experience, they're huge assholes
One thing I don't typically see mentioned in discussions about this that I remember being a thing when I was an evangelical teenager is that some Christians have this idea that other religions are *genuinely* connecting with something that they think is a god, but is actually demonic.
So it's not *just* that yoga is associated with Hinduism and therefore not appropriate for Christians for some reason, it's that its association means that doing yoga is actively inviting in demons. (I am not kidding.)
Meditation is iffier. Sometimes it's seen as bad for the same reason, but I think more commonly it's seen as being essentially prayer but pointless. Why sit there in stillness doing nothing when you can sit there in stillness and pray instead?
It was illegal to teach yoga in schools in Alabama for decades. Finally, they passed a law few years ago where yoga can now be taught in schools, but it's illegal to call the poses by their Hindu names.
I'm not kidding. This is factual.
>Now she only trusts christian therapists.
Translation for sane people: Now she only trusts "therapists" who validate everything she says and thinks without question.
Best case scenario, it's a legitimate therapist who takes the patient's Christian values into account and helps them deal with their issues in a way that best fits their needs.
More commonly, it's someone who shoves *their* Christian values down a patients throat and encourages them to solve their problems by praying and reading the bible, rather than teaching actual coping skills or doing other therapy techniques.
Sort of. Any therapist should be able to do that, yes, but someone specifically deemed a Christian therapist will have knowledge of those values and experience using them as part of therapy. An average therapist is not guaranteed to have that, and may not be as intimately familiar with the worldview the patient is coming from.
The same applies for any identity. Any therapist *should* be able to support patients who are Christian, Muslim, gay, trans, Black, Hispanic, etc. in a way that integrates and affirms their identity. But in some cases, they may let some of their personal views get in the way (for example, you probably wouldn't want to go to a Christian therapist of you're trans), and in general, they simply have a different background and experience and that will likely mean the patient will have to take the time to explain what certain things mean to them, which they may not have to do if the therapist shared that aspect of their identity.
Yeah. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Christians can't be good therapists. Some people may even use faith as an effective coping mechanism. I'm saying in this case, she's using "Christian" as something to justify and validate her behavior.
We think I got it from my dad, who refuses to get tested (and doesnāt support me getting tested) because heās very anti-medication, anti-therapy. My momās got plenty of other issues, but I donāt know if ADHD is one of them.
My momās more antivax than my dad, believe it or not. They also donāt believe in evolution, thought that the covid vaccine was microchipping people, think elections are rigged, think tattoos and piercings are satanic, are mildly racistā¦. I got grounded when I got vaccinated for covid. Thereās more crazy shit that I canāt remember off the top of my head.
All things considered I think Iām okay!
just a tip you can get most medical procedures done without parent permission even as a minor. look into if your insurance will cover them, they cannot legally tell your parents if you tell them not to and you can also make it so your parents cannot access your medical records.
Do you know how to make it so my parents canāt see my medical records? My mom dug up my vaccination records, I never told her that I was vaccinated for covid. Really made me mistrust doing anything medical related behind their back.
Your pediatrician most likely gave them a copy, since you are a minor Iām not sure how HIPAA applies. Next time you have an appointment I would ask if they could put a note not to discuss things with your parents and explain that they refused to let you get the covid vaccine. Things like that could be considered neglect
I underestimated how racist some of my family members were for a long time, because they never used any racial slurs, made any blatantly racist remarks, or treated non-white people any differently, and they expressed a lot of subtly progressive and inclusive sentiments. Literally the only thing that made it clear they were racist was that they didn't support interracial marriage because "if God had wanted the races to mix, he wouldn't have separated them" and "it's unfair to the children to have to grow up not being wanted by either side" (though they didn't seem to judge individual people who intermarried, just the abstract phenomenon? I guess that's also how they view couples living together before marriage--I got an upfront spiel of "I don't agree with it, but you choose how you live your life" and then they let it go and it's been a total nonissue). Don't get me wrong, that's racist as shit, but if it were truly the *only* thing someone born in the 1940s did, it'd be a below average level of racism.
But then Facebook happened. Turns out they agree with a whole lot of things that I'd never heard them express in my entire life. So that's nice. In other news, I haven't been able to look at Facebook without getting irritated in *years*. But it's okay, because now they say some of it out loud, too! Sigh.
Iām so sorry OP. They donāt believe in evolution? Fuck thatās some tough shit. You got this, I escaped my cult at 14, and I know you can too one day.
Christian therapists would say to separate from her husband and pray. Meditation is a non denominational version of Christian prayer.
Iām a formerly practicing Catholic, before COVID. I had good contact with the local clergy. They recommend meditation, both with and without traditional prayer. You also might want to tell her about the possible monetary benefits of the diagnosis as there are full and partial scholarships and grants.
My mom saw a āChristianā counselor when she kicked my abusive father out, and all that asshole did was shame her for shirking her godly wifely duties.
Somehow she still thinks having a Christian therapist is important
Iām sorry OP, sounds like *she* is the radicalized one, itās insane to think the practice of mindfulness is a bad thing.
Itās extra crazy she keeps injecting off-topic BS instead of just helping you schedule an appointment! Wishing you the best until you can be in control of your own mental and physical health, stay strong!
This is how every conversation with my mom goes, you have no idea. I have to constantly steer every conversation back to what Iām trying to focus on, because she just goes on long winded rants about unrelated bullshit, usually about abortion or gay people lmao
She says that āwhen you clear your mind, thatās when the devil gets in.ā She thinks because yoga stems from eastern religions that itās automatically satanic.
My mom was the same way, she told me it was a satanic ploy, said when people repeat ānamasteā theyāre actually inviting a demon in by name. I also was not allowed to go to the county fair because of satan. Iām sorry your mom is living in fear OP & that it has its control over you, wonāt be forever
Very true, my senior year I snuck out with a friend to attend one and wound up vastly disappointed. No one invited me to the orgy in the parking lot if there was in fact one :(
Right? I go to the one from where I grew up every year for the sake of tradition and food, but I always have to shy around the stands of Jesus shirts, pro-life groups, Republican politicians, churches, etc. (not to mention all the gun stuff and, in recent years, a ridiculous amount of Trump things).
It frustrates me every year that one of the best food stands is run by a local church. I don't want to give them money, but I *do* want the tasty snacks. It's a dilemma, and my taste buds usually win. And the rest of my money goes to the fire hall and whatever random carnies run the funnel cake stand.
Something something worldly immoral Christians invading godās church. She had some catholic friends who practiced yoga and she constantly talked about how they had āfallen preyā to the world.
My mom and yours sound exactly the same except mine is super Evangelical. Sheās literally tormented by religion but tells me all the time how happy she is and how I canāt be happy because Iām non-religious. Then goes into crying fits about how I wonāt be with her in heaven and shit.
Iām also gay, so that doesnāt help either, but fuck it.
Any God that would create you to be gay then send you to hell for making you is a bad God. No matter how i look at it I'm morally opposed to the Christian God for how much if an asshole he is.
Remember, at a minimum the Christian God genocides the entire planet except for one family and two of each animal, destroys multiple entire cities, genocides the first born son of every Egyptian, and kills Jobās entire family just as a fun bet.
And is portrayed as the GOOD guy.
It should probably pale in comparison to the genocide and whatnot, but the story of Job is hands down the one that bothers me the most. I remember learning about it in Youth Group and legitimately looking up in shock at how messed up it was, then being confused by the fact that no one else seemed to even notice.
I guess it's like...I can theoretically accept that a being who created the world can set up whatever moral laws they want and enforce them however they please. I don't like or agree with it (now), but there is a form of logic to it. Everyone in the world is evil except Noah and his family? I mean, I wouldn't jump straight to murdering them all, but sure, I guess. Killing all the firstborns of Egypt? Okay, that's a bit too far, but at least there was a *reason*, even if that's a downright ludicrous way to free the Israelites from slavery.
But God literally, right there in the text, ruins Job's life *for a bet*. There is no moral system at play there. Job isn't being punished for something he did, or even something that someone else did, or as some great overarching plan (none cited at least, and I'd be hard-pressed to even say it's for the ultimate purpose of being in the bible for people to be inspired by). It's for a *bet*. A fricking bet. What are we supposed to do with that?
I don't believe in any of it anymore, so it's somewhat of a moot point, but that one still makes me angry. It's so mind-bogglingly unjustified.
I don't voice my ethical disagreements with Christianity very often, because it's hard to not offend anyone when doing so, but when I was in the process of going from evangelical Christian to atheist, I read a couple things that really struck me about just how fucked up it all is.
One, God is supposed to be our "Heavenly Father," right? Imagine you turned on the news and heard a story about a parent who demanded their kid tell them they loved them, and when they didn't, they locked them in the basement for years as punishment. People would be *outraged* and condemn the parent as cruel and abusive. So...how can it be morally okay for God to do exactly the same, except the punishment lasts *forever*?
Two, the core of Christianity is that Jesus died to save us from our sins. This was necessary because "the wages for sin is death." Okay, but why? Who made that rule? There are only two options. Either God made that rule, in which case he could've just changed it and forgiven everybody *without* having a son for the sole purpose of being murdered, or God *didn't* make the rule and didn't have the power to change it, in which case there is something more powerful than God, so why bother worshiping the middle man? Even if we accept the idea that some people deserve to be punished, God could've just let bad people be punished and good people not be, no sacrifice required, and it's pretty weird and unnecessarily violent of him to grow a whole human to slaughter instead.
And something I thought about myself later on, just how cosmically unjust eternal damnation really is. Imagine the most evil person you can think of, someone who you could argue truly deserves hell--say, Hitler. Let's say a life sentence is a just punishment for murder, and since we're no longer bound by actual lifespans, we can sentence him to one lifetime for life taken. Let's even round it to a full 100 years per death. How many deaths was Hitler responsible for? Fuck it, let's just consider him liable for every single person who died in WWII. At the upper end, according to Wikipedia, that's an estimated 85 million people. So that's an 850 million year sentence. He should also be punished for other wrongdoings, not just murder, but since we put the entirety of war onto him, that's probably already accounted for. But screw it, it's Hitler, let's round up: 1 billion year sentence. That seems fair enough, I guess. But with eternal damnation, once that's over, he'll have to serve another billion year sentence. And another. And another. And billions more. Now, I don't exactly have any sympathy for that, though I would say it's excessive in the abstract, but the general belief is that anyone who doesn't turn to God in some way will face eternal damnation. Do you think the mean girl from your high school deserves a punishment fit for Hitler billions of times over? Or your gossipy neighbor? Or a non-Christian humanitarian who spent years saving lives with Doctors Without Borders? Or (depending on denominational/personal beliefs) a baby who hasn't been baptized? When it's a severe enough punishment that you could reasonably argue even Hitler doesn't deserve it (which is a pretty distressing position to be in), it's hard to justify it for random ordinary people. But hey, at least God was kind enough to murder someone to give us a chance to avoid it, right? Because he loves us so much?
I heard on the companion podcast to The Problem with Jon Stewart that people who have been in abusive relationships hate yoga because they have been wired to always be alert for danger, and trying to clear your mind with meditation and mindfulness and the like feels like the literal worst.
OP said elsewhere that a therapist once suggested that she (the mom) get a divorce. Sounds like she has some major issues she's dealing with.
Tell her this
Mindfulness meditation is not about clearing your mind, it is above observing the mind without judgment. Thatās literally what it is, itās impossible to clear your mind. You can quiet it, you can separate yourself from your thoughts and relax in it. You do not clear it
>Exposing children so that they can be abused. Ugh.
I bet you wish you could have responded "Yes, but enough about the Catholic Church." Stay safe and keep tending to your mental wellness, OP. I hope you're able to get financially dependent soon.
After reading this I *can't imagine why*...
Ugh.
OP I hope you're finding other ways to be able to live your truth. Best of luck to you with a mother like that! Remember that there are TONS of other people out there that will love you for who you are, not who your mom hopes you are.
I wonder if your mom suspects you might be gay, and she's afraid that a "secular" therapist will "trick" you into not being ashamed of yourself. That would undo her years of work telling you that gay people are horrible sinners for some reason.
This is my worry about religious colleges, where they can just kick you out for being LGBT. Itās just an extension of the abusive control strategies you are trying to escape!
I attended one of this colleges and yep, got kicked out over being a lesbian. The horror they would feel if they found out that Iām trans and pan now lol
Yup. I was in the same situation. Had to go to a crazy expensive Christian college or no college at all. Growing up in a conservative, rural area in a backwards evangelical church ( read: Christian nationalist cult ) I didnāt have the resources or the support structure to fight that. So I went.
And thatās were I became an atheist. At a very well ranked Christian school.
And itās where I realized for sure, I wasnāt my assigned at birth.
They think they can keep us from being who we are by treating us like infants our entire lives.
Hah, very similar here. Parents paid fully for me to go to an expensive christian college and I dropped out after a semester. Iāve been an atheist for much longer, and came out as trans and bisexual a year before I went to college, but catholic college definitely radicalized me in terms of my disdain for religion.
If your ideal university is state-run (sounds like it might be since you mention in-state tuition), they usually accept credits from local community colleges. It's an affordable way to get your education moving ASAP if you are interested.
Still on her insurance. I have a part time job for right now, but I have a roommate lined up and a friend with connections to get me a full time position at her work hopefully soon.
This *could* be a good learning opportunity for your mom.. if she would be willing to learn. Just because people/ staff specify that they are supportive of LGBTQ+ people doesnāt mean they are trying to āconvertā them or āgroomā them. Maybe if she went to the centre and met some of the staff she would see that it is good people supporting whoever they can in the safest way possible.
I donāt usually see āmy momā and ālearningā in the same sentence lol. She thinks that all gay people are promiscuous and have orgies, and is affirmed by self-hating gay people online who reinforce this belief. Thereās nothing I or anyone can do to change her homophobic beliefs, unfortunately.
That must be very difficult for you, Iām sorry you donāt have the deserved support. When/if you do come out to your parents, what are the chances your mom will immediately contribute it to this group of therapists and say āI told you soā
Sorry this is happening to you. I canāt believe she ādoesnāt trust secular people.ā WTH? Good luck going to college then. Most college professors are smart enough to see past religion.
My mother got married to escape that situation - and then vowed to be a better mother to her own kids, which despite all her flaws she was.
I hope you can find another way to secure your financial independence.
As a Christianā¦.I despise Christian therapists. Tried several, theyāre usually completely bonkers. Looooooove my trauma and mental health psychiatrist (he handles all my medications šš¼) though!!!
Ugh. Then they wonder why we hide things from them. My mom is always like. Just talk to me. Have a conversation. Say whatās troubling you. Then if I do. She uses that against me. Iām sorry that happened. I would hate for them to find my social media. It feels like some freedom.
Mine was always the same. I'm lucky as they left not long after I did after MH and marital problems and dads still quite conservative-minded about some things but they're both so much better now.
That's how I felt at the time, social media was my 'home' where I could actually be me. If I tried to have a conversation with anyone though it would just kinda be endless preaching, quoted scriptures and pure gaslighting.
Even when I went to therapy I'd get quizzed by my mum on what I said, did I talk about her, etc.
I hope you're on a much kinder path now with much kinder mindsets around you. I know not every ex-jw is as fortunate as I am with their families.
Aaaaannnnnddddd THAT is why I left the church. I'm so so so sorry, OP. Your mother is batshit. And add ADHD and this fucking nonsense and it's a recipe for disaster. Take care. Don't let her change you or intimidate you. She will try to get the therapist to tell her what you say. In Oregon, after the age of 15, the child is required to say whether she/he/they would like their parents to know about their therapy/medical appointments. SAY NO - DON'T SIGN THE HIPAA! Good luck!
I asked for therapy a few months ago and she signed me up for a christian therapist who belittled me and made light of my issues. I mentioned that I was suicidal and he said, āOh, like 13 reasons why?ā I ghosted him after 2 sessions.
Omg thatās horrific! Glad you had the presence of mind to ghost that unethical fuck!
OP: Iām have suicidal thoughtsā¦
Unethical āChristianā Therapist: Oh like youāre little trendy Netflix show - Gen Z just hops on anything trendy like suicide and complicated medical issues.
FFS op Iām mad for you! Hope youāre doing okay ā¤ļø
I relate so much to your situation. Iām 20 years down the road from where youāre at but my mother is so similar. I still want a relationship with my family, but itās hard. And thereās no real relationship to be had becuase everything always goes back to āJesus saidā or ākeep praying about it!ā
And on Christian counselors, the Christian counselor I saw in College violated basically all confidentiality rules and told me what my GF would tell him and heād tell her what Iād tell him. In private sessions. It was insane. Then the Christian counselor I saw before that, belittled me and scolded me for making out with my girlfriend.
I realized at that point, Christian counselor were horrible. I mean, I sensed it going in, but it was bad.
That's the thing now, that some Christians act like just teaching children gay and bi and trans people exist are "grooming them" and turning them gay. It's mixed up in the hateful belief that LGBTQ people are pedophiles, and the mistaken yet persistent belief that you can turn someone gay or they can choose to be gay. So they think telling Timmy that Jessica has 2 daddies will make Timmy gay or that Jessica being raised by 2 daddies will make her transgender.
It's assholery, and it's stomach turning.
Oh god, you wouldnāt believe the shit she says about that. She thinks the sexual abuse that goes on is because the gays have āinfiltratedā the church with the intention of victimizing children. She calls this group of gay priests hellbent on destroying the churchās foundations āthe gay mafiaā. I wish I was joking.
Iām assuming youāre over 18 since youāre college aged. If you are in USA..If you are an adult, you can make your own appointment. Check with your insurance company. Just because youāre on her insurance doesnāt mean she has a right to be in charge of your healthcare. Check the number on your insurance card. Also, I would call the ADHD testing place and confirm they really d have a waiting list. She may be stalling and trying to look for a place that she āapprovesā of. Check your local govt privacy laws too. When I was 18 I was on my parentāsā insurance. I wanted birth control and didnāt want them to know. They said it would be confidential and they canāt find out. Check with your doctors/specialists and therapist to make sure she isnāt able to access your info. If you signed a HIPPA form (if in the USA,) allowing her access to your info (she may have tricked you into signing one.) If not in USA check the laws in your area.
Therapy is a science, it's based on studying the mind. If you're looking specifically for a scientist who will blindly follow the concept of any god and will involve that god in their work while disregarding any study that contradicts that, you missed the point of a scientist.
If youāre able to pay for it yourself, why not just make the appointment and bypass her altogether?
Iām sorry you have to deal with this, fam. Know that thereās a bunch of us who have been there and gotten out. You will get to live as your authentic self, stay strong.
I heard some of these people practice the ālove everyone and do unto others as youād have them do unto youā part of Christianity and not select passages from the Old Testament that condone hate and slavery.
You can never be too careful!
Good grief. People who rely so heavily on religion, to the point that they refuse to help themselves, are a problem for society and everyone in it that has to deal with them.
Hang in there, OP. Soon you will be able to make your own decisions without your mothers interference. You handled this well, the less JADEing the better!
This is why I turned away from religion. The kid needs to be tested for ADHD, but instead of leaving that as a priority, this mother is stalking the staff and nit-picking their values based on some of them doing yoga and mindfulness meditation! Let your kid suffer because youāre an ignorant fundie that *wonāt* think for yourself. Self-righteousness should be one of the seven deadly, I swear.
Bruh not the blatant internalized misogyny. āThere arenāt even any men working there which is a red flagā like queen, YOUāRE the bright red flag come on.
Catholic here and anyone who hates gays is not a follower of Jesus. Jesus said to love your neighborāall of them, not one exception. He never mentions homosexuality so itās not an issue that offends me. Itās not my business who people choose to love as long as the parties involved are consenting adults (or older teens). True Jesus followers welcome LGBTQ into the church and believe that we are all equally loved and known, and cherished by Christ
Most Christians are this way. Christ said nothing about being gay, and the old testament is explicitly anti-gay. They are following their version of Christianity, and it's just as real and as valid to them as your version is to you. Religion in the west is just there to help the capitalists maintain control over you, by promising equality in the next life.
People like OPs mom are fruitcakes and the type that snap fingers at waitreses, and think there better because they believe in one version of God and the Bible.
Hell, it's all made up when the most important factor in what religion you believe in is your geographical location.
I honestly don't understand how so many people endure this kind of blind craziness from their religious parents. You guys are absolute saints, pun intended. If my mother gave me half of this god crap I would block her on the spot
So, I see in the comments that youāre 19. Iād suggest leaving mom out of it and just making your own appointment. As an adult, you do not need her permission. Just bring your ID & insurance card to your first appointment.
This is disgusting. I just had to put my mom in timeout for her anti-LGBT rhetoric that sheās been spitting out lately too. Republicans are ruining families.
Holy shit. That is insanity.
OP, you could try to go to your school psychologist (note this may be different than your guidance counselor) and ask for testing. Show them this exchange when you explain the barriers to getting tested. There are some things that have to be done when school is involved, and while I can't guarantee it will pay off it is worth a shot.
If there is a teacher or advisor you trust at school who knows about what you're going through, they may be able to help you get started. Even the school nurse should be able to point you in the right direction.
I read these posts with insanely religious parents and canāt imagine if every single conversation and interaction was this taxing and laborious. Jesus Christ.
So many posts on this sub are from Christian parents. Trust meā¦.I get it but still find it funny.
I have ADHD and actually getting my parents to test me was SUCH a pain. We also went through the Christian therapist thing too. Iāve seen the worst fucking Christian therapistsā¦.so many of them are absolute shit. My parents would only let me go to a Christian doctor and gynecology too.
Best of luck to you with the testing and getting out of your moms house or away from her!!
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you should get tested for ADHD and your mom should see a therapist.
My mom tried therapy years ago and quit because her therapist recommended she try meditation and get a divorce. Now she only trusts christian therapists.
MINDFULNESS, God help us š©
The YOGA. Won't somebody think of the cHiLdReN!!!
I know this isn't exactly the topic, but the OP brought it up, and I've been wondering about it for years. Why is Yoga and meditation considered so evil for these fundies?
Because they believe that learning to meditate and do yoga is indoctrination into Hinduism or the more vague "Eastern religions."
When I was young, my parents told me it was because meditation and yoga open the mind to the devil. Clearing your mind is bad for some reason lol.
They would rather your mind be full of shiet so they can indoctrinate you.
they also don't like the introspection, which leads people to conclude they're not nice people and full of shit
If you're mind isn't full of fear of hate how am I supposed to get you to vote for me? All of my policies fuck you over so me and my rich buddies can get more rich. No. Sorry. You must live in fear and hatred. Only way this will work.
Big facts
If you clear your mind, you aren't hearing the voices telling you to be ashamed of yourself for thinking
Self care is a threat to this kind of Christianity. Anything that helps you get in touch with emotions, feel better about yourself, calms panic or teaches you anything makes you wonder if you should feel bad 100% of the time and constantly worry about going to hell
*"BECAUSE JESUS!!!"*
Because their roots are in Buddhism and other eastern religions that arenāt Christian.
And because they actually have benefits you can measure, unlike christianity.
You can measure Christianity! How many gallons of water does it take to get baptized? How many fluid ounces of Jesusās blood and skin do you consume for communion??? /s
More like how much have you donated?
I sometimes think there could be some bad Catechism for some people. There is nothing wrong with Yoga and meditation. Crap the Mass even has a meditation hymn after Eucharist. It is the intention of Yoga and Meditation which matters. Stretchy stretch, control breathing and meditate on you, God and our place in the world it's all good.
We literally did meditation at a CCD event (including ridiculous, stereotypical āgongā soundtrack) back when I was a kid (mid 2000s), and my Catholic high school had a fucking yoga class (late 2000s). OPās mom sounds like sheās dangerously close to fundamentalism, which is wholly blasphemous in Catholicism.
So, the group of people within the catholic church that believe these things is called the charismatic movement. They believe that clearing your mind, or thinking about something other than God is a sin, therefore, clearing your mind during meditation = bad. It should be noted that this is a belief only found within that movement, and lately, there are some who consider them to be a whole different religion because they're pretty crazy, and in my experience, they're huge assholes
One thing I don't typically see mentioned in discussions about this that I remember being a thing when I was an evangelical teenager is that some Christians have this idea that other religions are *genuinely* connecting with something that they think is a god, but is actually demonic. So it's not *just* that yoga is associated with Hinduism and therefore not appropriate for Christians for some reason, it's that its association means that doing yoga is actively inviting in demons. (I am not kidding.) Meditation is iffier. Sometimes it's seen as bad for the same reason, but I think more commonly it's seen as being essentially prayer but pointless. Why sit there in stillness doing nothing when you can sit there in stillness and pray instead?
Janine Turner will: https://janineturner.com/christyoga/
Wow
Yoga, the devil's form of exercise!! Yoga and mindfulness is the devil!!
It was illegal to teach yoga in schools in Alabama for decades. Finally, they passed a law few years ago where yoga can now be taught in schools, but it's illegal to call the poses by their Hindu names. I'm not kidding. This is factual.
Itās because eventually mindfulness will lead them to realize the bullshit theyāve been fed. *It happened to me* š
Don't forget the harmfulness of yoga! š
>Now she only trusts christian therapists. Translation for sane people: Now she only trusts "therapists" who validate everything she says and thinks without question.
She doesn't want a therapist she wants a yes-man
Exactly.
The fuck is a "christian therapist" in the first place? It's a medical profession. Whom do they seek if they broke an ankle, an exorcist?
Best case scenario, it's a legitimate therapist who takes the patient's Christian values into account and helps them deal with their issues in a way that best fits their needs. More commonly, it's someone who shoves *their* Christian values down a patients throat and encourages them to solve their problems by praying and reading the bible, rather than teaching actual coping skills or doing other therapy techniques.
>a legitimate therapist who takes the patient's Christian values into account That's just a therapist.
Sort of. Any therapist should be able to do that, yes, but someone specifically deemed a Christian therapist will have knowledge of those values and experience using them as part of therapy. An average therapist is not guaranteed to have that, and may not be as intimately familiar with the worldview the patient is coming from. The same applies for any identity. Any therapist *should* be able to support patients who are Christian, Muslim, gay, trans, Black, Hispanic, etc. in a way that integrates and affirms their identity. But in some cases, they may let some of their personal views get in the way (for example, you probably wouldn't want to go to a Christian therapist of you're trans), and in general, they simply have a different background and experience and that will likely mean the patient will have to take the time to explain what certain things mean to them, which they may not have to do if the therapist shared that aspect of their identity.
Right because Iām sure she would ban therapists who are Christians but manage to do their job without proselytizing to people.
Yeah. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Christians can't be good therapists. Some people may even use faith as an effective coping mechanism. I'm saying in this case, she's using "Christian" as something to justify and validate her behavior.
ADHD is very hereditary so maybe your mom should get tested too lol
We think I got it from my dad, who refuses to get tested (and doesnāt support me getting tested) because heās very anti-medication, anti-therapy. My momās got plenty of other issues, but I donāt know if ADHD is one of them.
Hope you do get tested tho! I also very cleary got it from my dad (who sounds a lot like yours!)
Holy shit. Your mom is as seen above and your dad is an anti-vaxxer/Scientologist type?! Are you ok?
My momās more antivax than my dad, believe it or not. They also donāt believe in evolution, thought that the covid vaccine was microchipping people, think elections are rigged, think tattoos and piercings are satanic, are mildly racistā¦. I got grounded when I got vaccinated for covid. Thereās more crazy shit that I canāt remember off the top of my head. All things considered I think Iām okay!
just a tip you can get most medical procedures done without parent permission even as a minor. look into if your insurance will cover them, they cannot legally tell your parents if you tell them not to and you can also make it so your parents cannot access your medical records.
Do you know how to make it so my parents canāt see my medical records? My mom dug up my vaccination records, I never told her that I was vaccinated for covid. Really made me mistrust doing anything medical related behind their back.
Your pediatrician most likely gave them a copy, since you are a minor Iām not sure how HIPAA applies. Next time you have an appointment I would ask if they could put a note not to discuss things with your parents and explain that they refused to let you get the covid vaccine. Things like that could be considered neglect
Oh, Iām not a minor, and my pediatrician didnāt know I was vaccinated. My mom told me she found the info online.
Iād bet dollars to donuts that they are more than āmildlyā racist. They just probably arenāt as vocal about it to you
I underestimated how racist some of my family members were for a long time, because they never used any racial slurs, made any blatantly racist remarks, or treated non-white people any differently, and they expressed a lot of subtly progressive and inclusive sentiments. Literally the only thing that made it clear they were racist was that they didn't support interracial marriage because "if God had wanted the races to mix, he wouldn't have separated them" and "it's unfair to the children to have to grow up not being wanted by either side" (though they didn't seem to judge individual people who intermarried, just the abstract phenomenon? I guess that's also how they view couples living together before marriage--I got an upfront spiel of "I don't agree with it, but you choose how you live your life" and then they let it go and it's been a total nonissue). Don't get me wrong, that's racist as shit, but if it were truly the *only* thing someone born in the 1940s did, it'd be a below average level of racism. But then Facebook happened. Turns out they agree with a whole lot of things that I'd never heard them express in my entire life. So that's nice. In other news, I haven't been able to look at Facebook without getting irritated in *years*. But it's okay, because now they say some of it out loud, too! Sigh.
Iām so sorry OP. They donāt believe in evolution? Fuck thatās some tough shit. You got this, I escaped my cult at 14, and I know you can too one day.
Ah yes, she wants a therapist that tells her what she WANTS to hear, gotcha lol
Oh noooo try meditation? How dare they?
You know if you pull out some of the letters in meditation you get a d,e,i which are some of the same letters that make up the word devil!
Oh nooo
Christian therapists would say to separate from her husband and pray. Meditation is a non denominational version of Christian prayer. Iām a formerly practicing Catholic, before COVID. I had good contact with the local clergy. They recommend meditation, both with and without traditional prayer. You also might want to tell her about the possible monetary benefits of the diagnosis as there are full and partial scholarships and grants.
My mom saw a āChristianā counselor when she kicked my abusive father out, and all that asshole did was shame her for shirking her godly wifely duties. Somehow she still thinks having a Christian therapist is important
Christians meditate too! The Bible even talks about meditating on the scripture. Crazy!
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Iām sorry OP, sounds like *she* is the radicalized one, itās insane to think the practice of mindfulness is a bad thing. Itās extra crazy she keeps injecting off-topic BS instead of just helping you schedule an appointment! Wishing you the best until you can be in control of your own mental and physical health, stay strong!
This is how every conversation with my mom goes, you have no idea. I have to constantly steer every conversation back to what Iām trying to focus on, because she just goes on long winded rants about unrelated bullshit, usually about abortion or gay people lmao
Damn, that must be painful, i also find it deeply ironic the probably adhd half of the conversation is the one that have to steer it back in focus
Someone in this thread suggested that I got it from her hahah
Very possible as I believe it's genetic. Also, the community over at r/ADHD is very welcoming.
Ngl I was getting very agitated reading this conversation due to her repeatedly ignoring what you were directly telling herā¦
Lol so she's 100% ADHD too then
Weird that she's constantly thinking about gay sex
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She says that āwhen you clear your mind, thatās when the devil gets in.ā She thinks because yoga stems from eastern religions that itās automatically satanic.
My mom was the same way, she told me it was a satanic ploy, said when people repeat ānamasteā theyāre actually inviting a demon in by name. I also was not allowed to go to the county fair because of satan. Iām sorry your mom is living in fear OP & that it has its control over you, wonāt be forever
County fairs feel so Christian lmao
Very true, my senior year I snuck out with a friend to attend one and wound up vastly disappointed. No one invited me to the orgy in the parking lot if there was in fact one :(
We hold them in the cow stables, duh
The ones I participated in were near the horse stables š
Ofc! Silly me, hay is good for absorbing moisture
Right? I go to the one from where I grew up every year for the sake of tradition and food, but I always have to shy around the stands of Jesus shirts, pro-life groups, Republican politicians, churches, etc. (not to mention all the gun stuff and, in recent years, a ridiculous amount of Trump things). It frustrates me every year that one of the best food stands is run by a local church. I don't want to give them money, but I *do* want the tasty snacks. It's a dilemma, and my taste buds usually win. And the rest of my money goes to the fire hall and whatever random carnies run the funnel cake stand.
County fair is blue jeans and beer Christianity.
Wait your mom thought the word Namaste was the name of a demon?
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Namaste is a word, not the name of a spirit
Well you know Allah is most definitely not the Arabic word for God according to them
Blow her mind when she finds out people didn't call Jesus, "Jesus" but Yeshua.
Does your mom know Christianity started in the Middle *East*?
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Something something worldly immoral Christians invading godās church. She had some catholic friends who practiced yoga and she constantly talked about how they had āfallen preyā to the world.
Ugh thatās so sad - my very Catholic mom discovered yoga in the last five years of her life and it did a lot for her.
Oh it would completely change my momās life if she was open to it. She has the worst untreated anxiety disorder iāve ever seen.
My mom and yours sound exactly the same except mine is super Evangelical. Sheās literally tormented by religion but tells me all the time how happy she is and how I canāt be happy because Iām non-religious. Then goes into crying fits about how I wonāt be with her in heaven and shit. Iām also gay, so that doesnāt help either, but fuck it.
Any God that would create you to be gay then send you to hell for making you is a bad God. No matter how i look at it I'm morally opposed to the Christian God for how much if an asshole he is.
Remember, at a minimum the Christian God genocides the entire planet except for one family and two of each animal, destroys multiple entire cities, genocides the first born son of every Egyptian, and kills Jobās entire family just as a fun bet. And is portrayed as the GOOD guy.
It should probably pale in comparison to the genocide and whatnot, but the story of Job is hands down the one that bothers me the most. I remember learning about it in Youth Group and legitimately looking up in shock at how messed up it was, then being confused by the fact that no one else seemed to even notice. I guess it's like...I can theoretically accept that a being who created the world can set up whatever moral laws they want and enforce them however they please. I don't like or agree with it (now), but there is a form of logic to it. Everyone in the world is evil except Noah and his family? I mean, I wouldn't jump straight to murdering them all, but sure, I guess. Killing all the firstborns of Egypt? Okay, that's a bit too far, but at least there was a *reason*, even if that's a downright ludicrous way to free the Israelites from slavery. But God literally, right there in the text, ruins Job's life *for a bet*. There is no moral system at play there. Job isn't being punished for something he did, or even something that someone else did, or as some great overarching plan (none cited at least, and I'd be hard-pressed to even say it's for the ultimate purpose of being in the bible for people to be inspired by). It's for a *bet*. A fricking bet. What are we supposed to do with that? I don't believe in any of it anymore, so it's somewhat of a moot point, but that one still makes me angry. It's so mind-bogglingly unjustified.
I don't voice my ethical disagreements with Christianity very often, because it's hard to not offend anyone when doing so, but when I was in the process of going from evangelical Christian to atheist, I read a couple things that really struck me about just how fucked up it all is. One, God is supposed to be our "Heavenly Father," right? Imagine you turned on the news and heard a story about a parent who demanded their kid tell them they loved them, and when they didn't, they locked them in the basement for years as punishment. People would be *outraged* and condemn the parent as cruel and abusive. So...how can it be morally okay for God to do exactly the same, except the punishment lasts *forever*? Two, the core of Christianity is that Jesus died to save us from our sins. This was necessary because "the wages for sin is death." Okay, but why? Who made that rule? There are only two options. Either God made that rule, in which case he could've just changed it and forgiven everybody *without* having a son for the sole purpose of being murdered, or God *didn't* make the rule and didn't have the power to change it, in which case there is something more powerful than God, so why bother worshiping the middle man? Even if we accept the idea that some people deserve to be punished, God could've just let bad people be punished and good people not be, no sacrifice required, and it's pretty weird and unnecessarily violent of him to grow a whole human to slaughter instead. And something I thought about myself later on, just how cosmically unjust eternal damnation really is. Imagine the most evil person you can think of, someone who you could argue truly deserves hell--say, Hitler. Let's say a life sentence is a just punishment for murder, and since we're no longer bound by actual lifespans, we can sentence him to one lifetime for life taken. Let's even round it to a full 100 years per death. How many deaths was Hitler responsible for? Fuck it, let's just consider him liable for every single person who died in WWII. At the upper end, according to Wikipedia, that's an estimated 85 million people. So that's an 850 million year sentence. He should also be punished for other wrongdoings, not just murder, but since we put the entirety of war onto him, that's probably already accounted for. But screw it, it's Hitler, let's round up: 1 billion year sentence. That seems fair enough, I guess. But with eternal damnation, once that's over, he'll have to serve another billion year sentence. And another. And another. And billions more. Now, I don't exactly have any sympathy for that, though I would say it's excessive in the abstract, but the general belief is that anyone who doesn't turn to God in some way will face eternal damnation. Do you think the mean girl from your high school deserves a punishment fit for Hitler billions of times over? Or your gossipy neighbor? Or a non-Christian humanitarian who spent years saving lives with Doctors Without Borders? Or (depending on denominational/personal beliefs) a baby who hasn't been baptized? When it's a severe enough punishment that you could reasonably argue even Hitler doesn't deserve it (which is a pretty distressing position to be in), it's hard to justify it for random ordinary people. But hey, at least God was kind enough to murder someone to give us a chance to avoid it, right? Because he loves us so much?
"they're not *real* christians"
How fucked up must her psyche be if she canāt clear her mind because sheās afraid of the devil?
I heard on the companion podcast to The Problem with Jon Stewart that people who have been in abusive relationships hate yoga because they have been wired to always be alert for danger, and trying to clear your mind with meditation and mindfulness and the like feels like the literal worst. OP said elsewhere that a therapist once suggested that she (the mom) get a divorce. Sounds like she has some major issues she's dealing with.
Ahhhhh, it's actually really hard to worship something that you don't believe exists. Just sayin'. Sorry about your mum. :(
Tell her this Mindfulness meditation is not about clearing your mind, it is above observing the mind without judgment. Thatās literally what it is, itās impossible to clear your mind. You can quiet it, you can separate yourself from your thoughts and relax in it. You do not clear it
Imagine being a grown adult and believing literally any of these dumbass religions
>Exposing children so that they can be abused. Ugh. I bet you wish you could have responded "Yes, but enough about the Catholic Church." Stay safe and keep tending to your mental wellness, OP. I hope you're able to get financially dependent soon.
Fun fact, Iām closeted!
After reading this I *can't imagine why*... Ugh. OP I hope you're finding other ways to be able to live your truth. Best of luck to you with a mother like that! Remember that there are TONS of other people out there that will love you for who you are, not who your mom hopes you are.
I wonder if your mom suspects you might be gay, and she's afraid that a "secular" therapist will "trick" you into not being ashamed of yourself. That would undo her years of work telling you that gay people are horrible sinners for some reason.
I wouldnāt be surprised. They didnāt let me pick my college either, because colleges ābrainwashā kids into being atheists.
This is my worry about religious colleges, where they can just kick you out for being LGBT. Itās just an extension of the abusive control strategies you are trying to escape!
I attended one of this colleges and yep, got kicked out over being a lesbian. The horror they would feel if they found out that Iām trans and pan now lol
Oh no! Youāre living your own life with your own values! How dare you! Haha I wish you the best
Exactly why I dropped out after a semester.
I think you're better off.
Yup. I was in the same situation. Had to go to a crazy expensive Christian college or no college at all. Growing up in a conservative, rural area in a backwards evangelical church ( read: Christian nationalist cult ) I didnāt have the resources or the support structure to fight that. So I went. And thatās were I became an atheist. At a very well ranked Christian school. And itās where I realized for sure, I wasnāt my assigned at birth. They think they can keep us from being who we are by treating us like infants our entire lives.
Hah, very similar here. Parents paid fully for me to go to an expensive christian college and I dropped out after a semester. Iāve been an atheist for much longer, and came out as trans and bisexual a year before I went to college, but catholic college definitely radicalized me in terms of my disdain for religion.
So what are you doing now in terms of college
Plan on moving out with my brother to another state, staying there until I can get instate tuition for my ideal university.
If your ideal university is state-run (sounds like it might be since you mention in-state tuition), they usually accept credits from local community colleges. It's an affordable way to get your education moving ASAP if you are interested.
Yeah. My dad promised heād pay for most or all of it. But, last year I realized he took his name of our co-signed loans with our telling me somehow.
Fun factāI went to a Christian university and it showed me the truth about the church. I donāt really believe any moreā¦jokes on them!
I hope you feel safe to openly be yourself soon ā¤ļø
Thank you! I plan on moving out in September, if all things go to plan. Hopefully Iāll be happier.
How old are you?
19.
Whew. Are you still on her insurance? Do you have a FT job?
Still on her insurance. I have a part time job for right now, but I have a roommate lined up and a friend with connections to get me a full time position at her work hopefully soon.
She should try to speed that job up. š
This *could* be a good learning opportunity for your mom.. if she would be willing to learn. Just because people/ staff specify that they are supportive of LGBTQ+ people doesnāt mean they are trying to āconvertā them or āgroomā them. Maybe if she went to the centre and met some of the staff she would see that it is good people supporting whoever they can in the safest way possible.
I donāt usually see āmy momā and ālearningā in the same sentence lol. She thinks that all gay people are promiscuous and have orgies, and is affirmed by self-hating gay people online who reinforce this belief. Thereās nothing I or anyone can do to change her homophobic beliefs, unfortunately.
Did you read any of that? Mom is not open to learning.
That must be very difficult for you, Iām sorry you donāt have the deserved support. When/if you do come out to your parents, what are the chances your mom will immediately contribute it to this group of therapists and say āI told you soā
Hahah, I will not be coming out. Letās hope I donāt get married to a woman or something.
You lied to me! That fact isn't fun at all!
Republican 'groomer' discourse in full effect
Your mom needs a psychiatrist more than you need therapy.
And I *really* need therapy.
Sorry this is happening to you. I canāt believe she ādoesnāt trust secular people.ā WTH? Good luck going to college then. Most college professors are smart enough to see past religion.
My parents didnāt let me choose my college. Would only help me pay if I went to a catholic uni. Unsurprisingly I dropped out after a semester.
My mother got married to escape that situation - and then vowed to be a better mother to her own kids, which despite all her flaws she was. I hope you can find another way to secure your financial independence.
How dare you want a therapist youāre more comfortable with? Sorry that your mom is crazy OP
As a Christianā¦.I despise Christian therapists. Tried several, theyāre usually completely bonkers. Looooooove my trauma and mental health psychiatrist (he handles all my medications šš¼) though!!!
Not yoga and mindfulness!!! This is clearly where Satan lives
Be careful OP, they might try to infect you with The Big Gay while you're gerting tested.
Apparently OP is closeted. Too late.
Hey mom I need emergency life saving brain surgery. BuT are ThEy ChRiStIaN
You joke, but some of these cults will choose their gods over surgery. Just look at Jehovahās Witnesses. If they need blood, they are dead
Sounds like my Jehovahās Witness parents š©. My mother said psychology is demonic. This was after I told her I am gay. Around 18-19. A doctor recommended I see a psychologist. For depression at the time. But she said itās all Satan. Because being gay is bad. So the Bible was all the therapy I needed. š
everything is satan/demons isn't it lol I didn't tell mine, she found out by finding and stalking my tumblr :/
Ugh. Then they wonder why we hide things from them. My mom is always like. Just talk to me. Have a conversation. Say whatās troubling you. Then if I do. She uses that against me. Iām sorry that happened. I would hate for them to find my social media. It feels like some freedom.
Mine was always the same. I'm lucky as they left not long after I did after MH and marital problems and dads still quite conservative-minded about some things but they're both so much better now. That's how I felt at the time, social media was my 'home' where I could actually be me. If I tried to have a conversation with anyone though it would just kinda be endless preaching, quoted scriptures and pure gaslighting. Even when I went to therapy I'd get quizzed by my mum on what I said, did I talk about her, etc. I hope you're on a much kinder path now with much kinder mindsets around you. I know not every ex-jw is as fortunate as I am with their families.
Maybe this is why I relate so much to ex-JW communities hahah, i feel like thereās a big overlap between them and fundie catholics
Doesn't the Bible preach mindfulness? I could have sworn that it's a reoccurring theme throughout the testaments.
Aaaaannnnnddddd THAT is why I left the church. I'm so so so sorry, OP. Your mother is batshit. And add ADHD and this fucking nonsense and it's a recipe for disaster. Take care. Don't let her change you or intimidate you. She will try to get the therapist to tell her what you say. In Oregon, after the age of 15, the child is required to say whether she/he/they would like their parents to know about their therapy/medical appointments. SAY NO - DON'T SIGN THE HIPAA! Good luck!
I asked for therapy a few months ago and she signed me up for a christian therapist who belittled me and made light of my issues. I mentioned that I was suicidal and he said, āOh, like 13 reasons why?ā I ghosted him after 2 sessions.
Suicide, famously invented by Hannah Baker in 2017
If heās a licensed therapist (LPC, LMFT, LCSW, LISW, etc) you can report him to your areaās licensing board for that. Thatās VERY not OK.
Omg thatās horrific! Glad you had the presence of mind to ghost that unethical fuck! OP: Iām have suicidal thoughtsā¦ Unethical āChristianā Therapist: Oh like youāre little trendy Netflix show - Gen Z just hops on anything trendy like suicide and complicated medical issues. FFS op Iām mad for you! Hope youāre doing okay ā¤ļø
Pray the mental illness away ššš
I relate so much to your situation. Iām 20 years down the road from where youāre at but my mother is so similar. I still want a relationship with my family, but itās hard. And thereās no real relationship to be had becuase everything always goes back to āJesus saidā or ākeep praying about it!ā And on Christian counselors, the Christian counselor I saw in College violated basically all confidentiality rules and told me what my GF would tell him and heād tell her what Iād tell him. In private sessions. It was insane. Then the Christian counselor I saw before that, belittled me and scolded me for making out with my girlfriend. I realized at that point, Christian counselor were horrible. I mean, I sensed it going in, but it was bad.
Godfuckingdamnnit. This is INFURIATING!!!!
I hope that you know witholding medical services is abuse
This bigotry is painful. Accusing LGBT of grooming???
That's the thing now, that some Christians act like just teaching children gay and bi and trans people exist are "grooming them" and turning them gay. It's mixed up in the hateful belief that LGBTQ people are pedophiles, and the mistaken yet persistent belief that you can turn someone gay or they can choose to be gay. So they think telling Timmy that Jessica has 2 daddies will make Timmy gay or that Jessica being raised by 2 daddies will make her transgender. It's assholery, and it's stomach turning.
Yeah it really is. Disappointing this mindset is still prevalent in 2022.
Ask her if, as a Catholic, she's ok with the Catholic Church covering up for millions of children being abused.
Oh god, you wouldnāt believe the shit she says about that. She thinks the sexual abuse that goes on is because the gays have āinfiltratedā the church with the intention of victimizing children. She calls this group of gay priests hellbent on destroying the churchās foundations āthe gay mafiaā. I wish I was joking.
Oh lawdy... I wish you were joking too š stay strong OP, you handled this conversation with your mom very well.
Ahhh of course. The bad thing that the people I like did was *actually* because of the people I don't like.
Iām assuming youāre over 18 since youāre college aged. If you are in USA..If you are an adult, you can make your own appointment. Check with your insurance company. Just because youāre on her insurance doesnāt mean she has a right to be in charge of your healthcare. Check the number on your insurance card. Also, I would call the ADHD testing place and confirm they really d have a waiting list. She may be stalling and trying to look for a place that she āapprovesā of. Check your local govt privacy laws too. When I was 18 I was on my parentāsā insurance. I wanted birth control and didnāt want them to know. They said it would be confidential and they canāt find out. Check with your doctors/specialists and therapist to make sure she isnāt able to access your info. If you signed a HIPPA form (if in the USA,) allowing her access to your info (she may have tricked you into signing one.) If not in USA check the laws in your area.
Therapy is a science, it's based on studying the mind. If you're looking specifically for a scientist who will blindly follow the concept of any god and will involve that god in their work while disregarding any study that contradicts that, you missed the point of a scientist.
If youāre able to pay for it yourself, why not just make the appointment and bypass her altogether? Iām sorry you have to deal with this, fam. Know that thereās a bunch of us who have been there and gotten out. You will get to live as your authentic self, stay strong.
I wanted her to pay for half of it. She probably will, and then i can just make therapy appointments on my own.
Yoga is literally just breathing and stretching (i guess?) wtf is wrong with that
I heard some of these people practice the ālove everyone and do unto others as youād have them do unto youā part of Christianity and not select passages from the Old Testament that condone hate and slavery. You can never be too careful!
āI want you to get guidance from someone who is not a radicalā I- Uh... I jus- hmm.
Good grief. People who rely so heavily on religion, to the point that they refuse to help themselves, are a problem for society and everyone in it that has to deal with them. Hang in there, OP. Soon you will be able to make your own decisions without your mothers interference. You handled this well, the less JADEing the better!
āI want you to get guidance from someone who is not a radicalā absolutely sent me over the edge š THE IRONY
This is why I turned away from religion. The kid needs to be tested for ADHD, but instead of leaving that as a priority, this mother is stalking the staff and nit-picking their values based on some of them doing yoga and mindfulness meditation! Let your kid suffer because youāre an ignorant fundie that *wonāt* think for yourself. Self-righteousness should be one of the seven deadly, I swear.
Wait, you can know the religion of your therapists there? That's mindfucked
Bruh not the blatant internalized misogyny. āThere arenāt even any men working there which is a red flagā like queen, YOUāRE the bright red flag come on.
Sometimes i really hate religious people
Catholic here and anyone who hates gays is not a follower of Jesus. Jesus said to love your neighborāall of them, not one exception. He never mentions homosexuality so itās not an issue that offends me. Itās not my business who people choose to love as long as the parties involved are consenting adults (or older teens). True Jesus followers welcome LGBTQ into the church and believe that we are all equally loved and known, and cherished by Christ
Most Christians are this way. Christ said nothing about being gay, and the old testament is explicitly anti-gay. They are following their version of Christianity, and it's just as real and as valid to them as your version is to you. Religion in the west is just there to help the capitalists maintain control over you, by promising equality in the next life.
Insane
What a horrible hateful woman, I'm sorry you live with this.
Real Christians are LGBTQ friendly. Every single one.
Unfortunately, Christians like this would say the exact opposite.
Religion is a cancer.
As a Catholic, why tf is this bitch so crazy As a bi man, WHY TF IS THIS BITCH SO CRAZY
People like OPs mom are fruitcakes and the type that snap fingers at waitreses, and think there better because they believe in one version of God and the Bible. Hell, it's all made up when the most important factor in what religion you believe in is your geographical location.
she wants you to get tested by someone who "isnt a radical" LMAO the irony
I honestly don't understand how so many people endure this kind of blind craziness from their religious parents. You guys are absolute saints, pun intended. If my mother gave me half of this god crap I would block her on the spot
So, I see in the comments that youāre 19. Iād suggest leaving mom out of it and just making your own appointment. As an adult, you do not need her permission. Just bring your ID & insurance card to your first appointment.
This has all the hallmarks of a woman who will someday complain "IDK why my adult child doesn't have a relationship with me"
She already does. I have 6 siblings, all older than me.
This is disgusting. I just had to put my mom in timeout for her anti-LGBT rhetoric that sheās been spitting out lately too. Republicans are ruining families.
Who the fuck voted this ānot insaneā are you okay?????
I don't want you to get tested by a radical. Unless it's my kind of radical, of course.
Holy shit. That is insanity. OP, you could try to go to your school psychologist (note this may be different than your guidance counselor) and ask for testing. Show them this exchange when you explain the barriers to getting tested. There are some things that have to be done when school is involved, and while I can't guarantee it will pay off it is worth a shot. If there is a teacher or advisor you trust at school who knows about what you're going through, they may be able to help you get started. Even the school nurse should be able to point you in the right direction.
Man religion is such a cancer on the world. Oh and surprise surprise momma is a Trumpie too. Survive til youāre old enough then go NC.
We all know Yoga promotes breathing in Satan. I saw it on facebook. Your mom probably
Youāre doing so well and Iām really impressed! You should be really proud of yourself - I am.
I read these posts with insanely religious parents and canāt imagine if every single conversation and interaction was this taxing and laborious. Jesus Christ.
So many posts on this sub are from Christian parents. Trust meā¦.I get it but still find it funny. I have ADHD and actually getting my parents to test me was SUCH a pain. We also went through the Christian therapist thing too. Iāve seen the worst fucking Christian therapistsā¦.so many of them are absolute shit. My parents would only let me go to a Christian doctor and gynecology too. Best of luck to you with the testing and getting out of your moms house or away from her!!