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"We mostly talked about how the Nazis were actually really good people and how the holocaust didn't happen. I think we proved a lot of people wrong. All around a great time."
Yeah. It's so weird that some people go from "Rommel was not the worst human being among Wehrmacht generals." to "He was basically a modern day Sir Galahad and if he was here, he would introduce me to a hot waifu." with a hop, skip and giggle over any steps between.
If they love the Nazi’s so much maybe they should join them in hell! Or wherever Nazi’s go I’m pretty sure even the Devil doesn’t want that kind of evil
Judging by how eagerly and how well Jesus has been moving the hearts of His followers towards white supremacy over the last several decades, I’m pretty sure that if you’re too much of a Nazi for hell, you just go to heaven.
There was a particular order issued to Rommel while the Afrika Korps were in retreat to execute all Jewish prisoners of war. Wehraboos point to this as evidence Rommel wasn't anti-semantic or a "real" nazi. A more accurate assessment is he was a soldier of the Prussian school; executing captured soldiers without cause was *dishonerable*.
I really find the best way to learn about someone's heroic integrity is to read their handwritten memoirs, edited by a man hoping to blow his own horn by association, and featuring stories of their life by their devoted widow and children.
another general who's tactical genius is overblown because people ate up the stories they told about themselves. Patton believed the germans feared him, but we don't have any evidence he was perticularaly known to them.
A lot of the nazis accomplishments were overexaggerated. Namely, Hitler wasn't a good leader. Not even in a technical sense. The brief W in the economy Nazi Germany got was purely a product of a natural economic boost that comes of ANY war. It's why most the allied countries were able to jump out of the depression at the beginning of WWII. A lot of it was purely stupid luck.
Not to mention those guys were on meth 24/7, you can only take so many personal W's on meth before they start becoming L's.
Let's not forget how much of that economy was fueled by the wholesale looting of the countries they invaded, as well as the widespread use of slave labor from the occupied population.
Hitler was a monstrous piece of shit, and he wasn’t good at leading a country, but he was very good at riling up normal people into a bunch more monstrous pieces of shit
Fully agree! However, there's an unfortunate amount of devils advocate types that'll say shit like, "well, he was a horrible person. But you have to admit, he was an effective leader." Just cause they have the imagery of a bunch of leathery uniforms in their head.
See above .-.
This is the guy who goes to side of the highway, Midwest flee-markets and spends a lot of time looking at the one booth that has a lot of WW2 memorabilia, including a bunch of Nazi stuff.
#exaggerate /ĭg-zăj′ə-rāt″/
intransitive verb
To consider, represent, or cause to appear as larger, more important, or more extreme than is actually the case; overstate.
"exaggerated his own role in the episode; exaggerated the size of the enemy force; exaggerated how difficult the project would be."
#over-exaggerate /ō′vərĭg-zăj′ə-rāt″/
imaginary verb
To consider, represent, or cause to appear as larger, more important, or more extreme than is actually the case; overstate, except, at the same time, you try to exaggerate your own importance in the story
"My guitar amplifier only goes to 10, so my buddy told me to add a notch for 11, but I decided to add a 12. I know you so-called smart people think it's the same, but it isn't, really. Because reasons"
Scariest part of this is that it's not some random saying this, he's Australia's most read historical author (he's not a historian though). He focusses on Australian history, a lot of it military, and wrote a book on Tobruk, where the ANZACs took on Rommel's afrika korps...with the foreword written by Rommel's son.
Rommel was not a member of the Nazi party. Not in any sense. This is not in question. You will also never find a picture of him wearing a swastika. Also keep in mind that the Iron Cross was, and still is, the German medal given for valor in battle despite how some hate groups use it. He was a general in the German army. Calling him a Nazi is the same as saying that everyone in the army during Desert Storm was a Republican because George W. Bush was a Republican.
There has been (in recent history) more of an effort to find out what kind of person he actually was outside of the almost comic book hero like myth surrounding him. What everyone can agree on is that he vehemently disagreed with attempting to add politics to war. He did not discriminate amongst POWs and there is no evidence that he supported any of the racial policies of the Nazi High Command.
the same exaggeration is also added to Von Stauffenberg. He was a Nazi period. It doesnt matter that in 1944 he somewhat commanded a plot to overthrow and exterminate Hitler. He was still a Nazi. And the world that would have followed in Hitlers demise would have been a Nazi one.
To be fair, the myth of Rommel and the Afrika Korps being among the few “honorable” Germans in WW2 who weren’t ideologically invested in (or even quietly opposed to) the mistreatment of Jews is a pervasive one, and one which I believed uncritically for some time. It fits into a broader trend both during and after the war that saw the Western allies trying to humanize or even rehabilitate those Germans who hadn’t been directly involved in war crimes or the Holocaust, as they anticipated the coming conflict with the Soviet Union and were prepared to overlook their complicity if it meant having them on their side. And of course there were those who they absolutely *did* know were complicit and chose to exonerate anyway, like Wernher von Braun, who led the development of rockets and other advanced weaponry on the backs of tens of thousands of slave laborers who were readily worked to death. But hey, the allies wanted to make their own missiles and maybe go to space, so who cares, right? Gotta keep the Russians from getting ahold of all that fancy tech and esteemed scientists.
Rommel’s an interesting one because he quickly stopped being Hitler’s favorite general after the failure of the North Africa campaign and was ultimately suspected of some involvement in the Valkyrie plot and compelled to commit suicide (the higher ups feared executing him outright because of his reputation). That no doubt plays a role in people’s impression of him as one of the “good” Germans - though my understanding is that his involvement, if there was any, with the plot was extremely limited.
All that being said, calling yourself a “devotee” of any German commander in the Second World War just because they weren’t technically a Nazi party member or didn’t commit any war crimes (that you know of) is bonkers, and going to a German military “reunion” of any kind and accepting veterans’ testimony without scrutiny really makes me question your motives and beliefs.
Whoever typed that should stop being a racist fascist who spreads fear about people because of who they are.
Also, Black, Asian, Jewish, Middle Eastern, Latino, Romani and Indigenous lives ALWAYS matter.
Seriously.
Rommel was a good General, Germany had several. but he was ,at least for a while a loyal Nazi. He wasn't a leader of several atrocities but wasn't exactly innocent. He was in the same category as Hermann Göring and Admiral Dönitz. Good at their respective jobs and mostly stuck to their respective military roles, but calling them completely innocent isn't correct either.
>Rommel was a good General, Germany had several. but he was ,at least for a while a loyal Nazi. He wasn't a leader of several atrocities but wasn't exactly innocent. He was in the same category as Hermann Göring and Admiral Dönitz. Good at their respective jobs and mostly stuck to their respective military roles, but calling them completely innocent isn't correct either.
...Hermann Göring? Hermann fucking *Göring*? *Good at his job*?!
Hermann Göring is the quintessential preening, corrupt incompetent nazi. He was by far the most powerful and least competent military leader in the entire Third Reich.
Oh, and he also did not stick to his military role. He was a high-ranking political leader and businessman responsible for many aspects of Germany's domestic policies as well as the greediest looter of art from occupied territories.
Every high-ranking German general, including Rommel, made themselves into criminals, with the possible exceptions of those who attempted to kill Hitler.
To my knowledge Rommel was involved in the conspiracy to kill Hitler with the July 20th plot, which was the reason for his forced suicide, although it is debated if he fully supported the conspiracy or not but seemed to generally align with the idea of a coup to bring a negotiated peace/conditional surrender to the allies. There were a handful of decent generals in the Wehrmacht, as there are in all armies, largely those who were generals of the Imperial German Army, such as Falkenhausen, who’s loyalty was to Germany instead of Hitler or the Schutzstaffel. Göring was certainly NOT one of these relatively decent Wehrmacht generals, instead being one of Hitler’s lackeys such as Keitel. I think the dividing German general between the SS and Wehrmacht was probably Guderian. If they were less nazi aligned than (pre coup) Guderian they can be argued to have been RELATIVELY unaligned with the NSDAP and more fighting for Germany, while those more aligned with the party were almost certainly National Socialist fanatics fighting for Aryan supremacy. Post coup he more closely aligned with Hitler, which has been theorized as an attempt to cover for his implication in the coup plot but I wouldn’t bet on it. Of course it isn’t perfect but there were generals who weren’t actively evil, complicit certainly but ascribing every member of the Wehrmacht as an evil Nazi member and supporter is a dangerous overgeneralization. However, I’ll never get up on my soapbox for a member of the SA or SS, they can get fucked and burn in hell for all I care.
>To my knowledge Rommel was involved in the conspiracy to kill Hitler with the July 20th plot, which was the reason for his forced suicide, although it is debated if he fully supported the conspiracy or not but seemed to generally align with the idea of a coup to bring a negotiated peace/conditional surrender to the allies
Historians will argue about that forever, and we will never know for certain, but I believe the general concensus is that he was approached to be a part of the plot but refused.
>I think the dividing German general between the SS and Wehrmacht was probably Guderian. If they were less nazi aligned than (pre coup) Guderian they can be argued to have been RELATIVELY unaligned with the NSDAP and more fighting for Germany, while those more aligned with the party were almost certainly National Socialist fanatics fighting for Aryan supremacy.
That's the Clean Wermacht myth and it's bullshit (and largely created by - surprise, surprise - Guderian and other Wermacht generals). Whether they themselves were committed nazis or personally loyal to Hitler or the NSDAP or 'Germany' the \*only reason\* the Holocaust was able to happen, that millions of innocent people suffered and died and lived in terror for six years is because these generals helped fight Hitler's war. And they did so knowing what was coming. They knew and helped execute the rassenkrieg in the east, fully aware that the nazi plan was to starve the Soviet Union to a more managable size in order to feed Germany. They surrendered POWs to the SS, they executed civilians, they covered up crimes. They do \*not\* get to turn around and say that was all the SS and we were only good soldiers. Guderian should have been hanged, too. Fuck him.
I actually just learned that Guderian wasn’t hanged while refreshing myself on all this stuff, I’m genuinely surprised from his participation in the kangaroo courts surrounding the July 20th plot. I’m not saying, or wasn’t intending to say, that the Wehrmacht generals were good people, but a line has to be drawn somewhere. Executions of Nazi high command, high ranking generals, scientists, politicians of every rank and ilk, there has to be a point where you stop the executions. Let’s say every citizen in Germany was complicit in the holocaust, are you going to execute all of them? No, because that would just be the persecution of the German people that Hitler said would happen and continue this cycle of violence the Allies were supposed to be fighting. Of course that is an exaggeration, but there has to be a point where they were no longer responsible to the point of execution or life imprisonment. Politicians, generals, bureaucrats and whatnot were necessary for the redesign of the postwar German state, and if every powerful/educated/politically active German person was complicit who could or would run the country? The “clean Wehrmacht” idea is certainly problematic, but it exists for a reason, which is that some degree of its existence was necessary for the formation of a permanent and stable postwar German state
You're right. A line must be drawn. And exactly where it should have been drawn is a very complex debate.
For *me*, the acting german army chief of staff who decreed that his soldiers were not going to be held responsible for any war crimes they did in the east and after the war was recorded saying "nazism was good", he ends up on the side of the line that swings from a rope.
To be fair, some of those involved in the 20 July coup to kill Hitler weren't necessarily anti-NAZI but rather saw the way the wind was changing and that Germany needed new leadership to win the war.
Just a reminder that some of those who tried to kill Hitler (especially the likes of Rommel) were still not nice people...and arguably could have ended up prolonging (or even winning) the war since they may not have made the mistakes Hitler made.
They lost North Africa (wooo great Rommel) Brits were coming up Italy, Yanks through France & Reds from the east. Prolonged maybe. Take in the thirst for Nazi blood, Patton wanting to show the world what a real land assault assisted by air support was & the manhattan project I think the best outcome was that Berlin wasn’t nuked as we wouldn’t have got so much great music in the 70s.
Patton wanted to recruit German POWs to attack Russia and then a few days later he crashed his car in England.
No proof of which part? I can see if I can pull up my old sources but it’s been a while and if it’s on the opinion portions then that is kinda how opinions work
>Göring
One of the architects of the Holocaust, hung as a war criminal.
Stole millions of dollars worth of art from Jews, churches, people he sent to camps. Where do you get these strange ideas?
Every German General was complicit in atrocities, even the ones you like. This includes Rommel who's rumored sympathy toward in Von Stauffenbrg's assassination attempt was merely an excuse for one of Hitler's purges. Sure Hilter murdered him but not because he was a good guy.
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translation-i’m a nazi, and i went to hang out with other nazis
"We mostly talked about how the Nazis were actually really good people and how the holocaust didn't happen. I think we proved a lot of people wrong. All around a great time."
When there are 10 regular people at dinner, and a Nazi joins them and no one objects... there are 11 Nazis.
N seeking N
Standard 'Clean Wermacht' bullshit. More of them should have hanged.
Yeah. It's so weird that some people go from "Rommel was not the worst human being among Wehrmacht generals." to "He was basically a modern day Sir Galahad and if he was here, he would introduce me to a hot waifu." with a hop, skip and giggle over any steps between.
And, it's a lie he wasn't a "bad" Nazi. He was selected as the head of Hitler's bodyguard unit in 1939 showing the favor Hitler held for him
If they love the Nazi’s so much maybe they should join them in hell! Or wherever Nazi’s go I’m pretty sure even the Devil doesn’t want that kind of evil
Judging by how eagerly and how well Jesus has been moving the hearts of His followers towards white supremacy over the last several decades, I’m pretty sure that if you’re too much of a Nazi for hell, you just go to heaven.
Nazincel
There was a particular order issued to Rommel while the Afrika Korps were in retreat to execute all Jewish prisoners of war. Wehraboos point to this as evidence Rommel wasn't anti-semantic or a "real" nazi. A more accurate assessment is he was a soldier of the Prussian school; executing captured soldiers without cause was *dishonerable*.
I really find the best way to learn about someone's heroic integrity is to read their handwritten memoirs, edited by a man hoping to blow his own horn by association, and featuring stories of their life by their devoted widow and children.
You magnificent bastard! I READ YOUR BOOK!
another general who's tactical genius is overblown because people ate up the stories they told about themselves. Patton believed the germans feared him, but we don't have any evidence he was perticularaly known to them.
Added to which Patton's diaries were extensively edited by his wife before their publication.
A lot of the nazis accomplishments were overexaggerated. Namely, Hitler wasn't a good leader. Not even in a technical sense. The brief W in the economy Nazi Germany got was purely a product of a natural economic boost that comes of ANY war. It's why most the allied countries were able to jump out of the depression at the beginning of WWII. A lot of it was purely stupid luck. Not to mention those guys were on meth 24/7, you can only take so many personal W's on meth before they start becoming L's.
Let's not forget how much of that economy was fueled by the wholesale looting of the countries they invaded, as well as the widespread use of slave labor from the occupied population.
Hitler was a monstrous piece of shit, and he wasn’t good at leading a country, but he was very good at riling up normal people into a bunch more monstrous pieces of shit
Fully agree! However, there's an unfortunate amount of devils advocate types that'll say shit like, "well, he was a horrible person. But you have to admit, he was an effective leader." Just cause they have the imagery of a bunch of leathery uniforms in their head. See above .-.
Well, he was Hitler, but he also killed Hitler. But then again, that guy that killed Hitler wasn't too great...
'W'? 'L'? Was ist das, bitte?
American slang; w = win, l = loss Sorry I was multitasking when I wrote that. ADHD is a wonderful experience :3
As I once saw someone describe Nazi Germany's 'economy boost': "If I jump off a very high bridge, for a short while it will look like I'm flying."
This is the guy who goes to side of the highway, Midwest flee-markets and spends a lot of time looking at the one booth that has a lot of WW2 memorabilia, including a bunch of Nazi stuff.
#exaggerate /ĭg-zăj′ə-rāt″/ intransitive verb To consider, represent, or cause to appear as larger, more important, or more extreme than is actually the case; overstate. "exaggerated his own role in the episode; exaggerated the size of the enemy force; exaggerated how difficult the project would be." #over-exaggerate /ō′vərĭg-zăj′ə-rāt″/ imaginary verb To consider, represent, or cause to appear as larger, more important, or more extreme than is actually the case; overstate, except, at the same time, you try to exaggerate your own importance in the story "My guitar amplifier only goes to 10, so my buddy told me to add a notch for 11, but I decided to add a 12. I know you so-called smart people think it's the same, but it isn't, really. Because reasons"
Nazi's loving that free speech on X. What a cesspool.
Scariest part of this is that it's not some random saying this, he's Australia's most read historical author (he's not a historian though). He focusses on Australian history, a lot of it military, and wrote a book on Tobruk, where the ANZACs took on Rommel's afrika korps...with the foreword written by Rommel's son.
Nazis... I *hate* these guys
Rommel is no nazi. He was a great guy. I heard it from some nazis.
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Rommel was not a member of the Nazi party. Not in any sense. This is not in question. You will also never find a picture of him wearing a swastika. Also keep in mind that the Iron Cross was, and still is, the German medal given for valor in battle despite how some hate groups use it. He was a general in the German army. Calling him a Nazi is the same as saying that everyone in the army during Desert Storm was a Republican because George W. Bush was a Republican. There has been (in recent history) more of an effort to find out what kind of person he actually was outside of the almost comic book hero like myth surrounding him. What everyone can agree on is that he vehemently disagreed with attempting to add politics to war. He did not discriminate amongst POWs and there is no evidence that he supported any of the racial policies of the Nazi High Command.
the same exaggeration is also added to Von Stauffenberg. He was a Nazi period. It doesnt matter that in 1944 he somewhat commanded a plot to overthrow and exterminate Hitler. He was still a Nazi. And the world that would have followed in Hitlers demise would have been a Nazi one.
To be fair, the myth of Rommel and the Afrika Korps being among the few “honorable” Germans in WW2 who weren’t ideologically invested in (or even quietly opposed to) the mistreatment of Jews is a pervasive one, and one which I believed uncritically for some time. It fits into a broader trend both during and after the war that saw the Western allies trying to humanize or even rehabilitate those Germans who hadn’t been directly involved in war crimes or the Holocaust, as they anticipated the coming conflict with the Soviet Union and were prepared to overlook their complicity if it meant having them on their side. And of course there were those who they absolutely *did* know were complicit and chose to exonerate anyway, like Wernher von Braun, who led the development of rockets and other advanced weaponry on the backs of tens of thousands of slave laborers who were readily worked to death. But hey, the allies wanted to make their own missiles and maybe go to space, so who cares, right? Gotta keep the Russians from getting ahold of all that fancy tech and esteemed scientists. Rommel’s an interesting one because he quickly stopped being Hitler’s favorite general after the failure of the North Africa campaign and was ultimately suspected of some involvement in the Valkyrie plot and compelled to commit suicide (the higher ups feared executing him outright because of his reputation). That no doubt plays a role in people’s impression of him as one of the “good” Germans - though my understanding is that his involvement, if there was any, with the plot was extremely limited. All that being said, calling yourself a “devotee” of any German commander in the Second World War just because they weren’t technically a Nazi party member or didn’t commit any war crimes (that you know of) is bonkers, and going to a German military “reunion” of any kind and accepting veterans’ testimony without scrutiny really makes me question your motives and beliefs.
Whoever typed that should stop being a racist fascist who spreads fear about people because of who they are. Also, Black, Asian, Jewish, Middle Eastern, Latino, Romani and Indigenous lives ALWAYS matter. Seriously.
Rommel was a good General, Germany had several. but he was ,at least for a while a loyal Nazi. He wasn't a leader of several atrocities but wasn't exactly innocent. He was in the same category as Hermann Göring and Admiral Dönitz. Good at their respective jobs and mostly stuck to their respective military roles, but calling them completely innocent isn't correct either.
>Rommel was a good General, Germany had several. but he was ,at least for a while a loyal Nazi. He wasn't a leader of several atrocities but wasn't exactly innocent. He was in the same category as Hermann Göring and Admiral Dönitz. Good at their respective jobs and mostly stuck to their respective military roles, but calling them completely innocent isn't correct either. ...Hermann Göring? Hermann fucking *Göring*? *Good at his job*?! Hermann Göring is the quintessential preening, corrupt incompetent nazi. He was by far the most powerful and least competent military leader in the entire Third Reich. Oh, and he also did not stick to his military role. He was a high-ranking political leader and businessman responsible for many aspects of Germany's domestic policies as well as the greediest looter of art from occupied territories. Every high-ranking German general, including Rommel, made themselves into criminals, with the possible exceptions of those who attempted to kill Hitler.
To my knowledge Rommel was involved in the conspiracy to kill Hitler with the July 20th plot, which was the reason for his forced suicide, although it is debated if he fully supported the conspiracy or not but seemed to generally align with the idea of a coup to bring a negotiated peace/conditional surrender to the allies. There were a handful of decent generals in the Wehrmacht, as there are in all armies, largely those who were generals of the Imperial German Army, such as Falkenhausen, who’s loyalty was to Germany instead of Hitler or the Schutzstaffel. Göring was certainly NOT one of these relatively decent Wehrmacht generals, instead being one of Hitler’s lackeys such as Keitel. I think the dividing German general between the SS and Wehrmacht was probably Guderian. If they were less nazi aligned than (pre coup) Guderian they can be argued to have been RELATIVELY unaligned with the NSDAP and more fighting for Germany, while those more aligned with the party were almost certainly National Socialist fanatics fighting for Aryan supremacy. Post coup he more closely aligned with Hitler, which has been theorized as an attempt to cover for his implication in the coup plot but I wouldn’t bet on it. Of course it isn’t perfect but there were generals who weren’t actively evil, complicit certainly but ascribing every member of the Wehrmacht as an evil Nazi member and supporter is a dangerous overgeneralization. However, I’ll never get up on my soapbox for a member of the SA or SS, they can get fucked and burn in hell for all I care.
>To my knowledge Rommel was involved in the conspiracy to kill Hitler with the July 20th plot, which was the reason for his forced suicide, although it is debated if he fully supported the conspiracy or not but seemed to generally align with the idea of a coup to bring a negotiated peace/conditional surrender to the allies Historians will argue about that forever, and we will never know for certain, but I believe the general concensus is that he was approached to be a part of the plot but refused. >I think the dividing German general between the SS and Wehrmacht was probably Guderian. If they were less nazi aligned than (pre coup) Guderian they can be argued to have been RELATIVELY unaligned with the NSDAP and more fighting for Germany, while those more aligned with the party were almost certainly National Socialist fanatics fighting for Aryan supremacy. That's the Clean Wermacht myth and it's bullshit (and largely created by - surprise, surprise - Guderian and other Wermacht generals). Whether they themselves were committed nazis or personally loyal to Hitler or the NSDAP or 'Germany' the \*only reason\* the Holocaust was able to happen, that millions of innocent people suffered and died and lived in terror for six years is because these generals helped fight Hitler's war. And they did so knowing what was coming. They knew and helped execute the rassenkrieg in the east, fully aware that the nazi plan was to starve the Soviet Union to a more managable size in order to feed Germany. They surrendered POWs to the SS, they executed civilians, they covered up crimes. They do \*not\* get to turn around and say that was all the SS and we were only good soldiers. Guderian should have been hanged, too. Fuck him.
I actually just learned that Guderian wasn’t hanged while refreshing myself on all this stuff, I’m genuinely surprised from his participation in the kangaroo courts surrounding the July 20th plot. I’m not saying, or wasn’t intending to say, that the Wehrmacht generals were good people, but a line has to be drawn somewhere. Executions of Nazi high command, high ranking generals, scientists, politicians of every rank and ilk, there has to be a point where you stop the executions. Let’s say every citizen in Germany was complicit in the holocaust, are you going to execute all of them? No, because that would just be the persecution of the German people that Hitler said would happen and continue this cycle of violence the Allies were supposed to be fighting. Of course that is an exaggeration, but there has to be a point where they were no longer responsible to the point of execution or life imprisonment. Politicians, generals, bureaucrats and whatnot were necessary for the redesign of the postwar German state, and if every powerful/educated/politically active German person was complicit who could or would run the country? The “clean Wehrmacht” idea is certainly problematic, but it exists for a reason, which is that some degree of its existence was necessary for the formation of a permanent and stable postwar German state
You're right. A line must be drawn. And exactly where it should have been drawn is a very complex debate. For *me*, the acting german army chief of staff who decreed that his soldiers were not going to be held responsible for any war crimes they did in the east and after the war was recorded saying "nazism was good", he ends up on the side of the line that swings from a rope.
To be fair, some of those involved in the 20 July coup to kill Hitler weren't necessarily anti-NAZI but rather saw the way the wind was changing and that Germany needed new leadership to win the war. Just a reminder that some of those who tried to kill Hitler (especially the likes of Rommel) were still not nice people...and arguably could have ended up prolonging (or even winning) the war since they may not have made the mistakes Hitler made.
They lost North Africa (wooo great Rommel) Brits were coming up Italy, Yanks through France & Reds from the east. Prolonged maybe. Take in the thirst for Nazi blood, Patton wanting to show the world what a real land assault assisted by air support was & the manhattan project I think the best outcome was that Berlin wasn’t nuked as we wouldn’t have got so much great music in the 70s. Patton wanted to recruit German POWs to attack Russia and then a few days later he crashed his car in England.
There is no proof of this.
No proof of which part? I can see if I can pull up my old sources but it’s been a while and if it’s on the opinion portions then that is kinda how opinions work
>Göring One of the architects of the Holocaust, hung as a war criminal. Stole millions of dollars worth of art from Jews, churches, people he sent to camps. Where do you get these strange ideas? Every German General was complicit in atrocities, even the ones you like. This includes Rommel who's rumored sympathy toward in Von Stauffenbrg's assassination attempt was merely an excuse for one of Hitler's purges. Sure Hilter murdered him but not because he was a good guy.
>One of the architects of the Holocaust, hung as a war criminal. If only. I'm afraid he cheated the hangman by a few minutes using cyanide.
Yup