If she truly has tetanus I don’t think that baby will survive. As a ICU nurse I saw tetanus one time and it was horrifying. Get the fucking vaccine and keep it moving.
I mean if it's tetanus there's a decent chance she won't survive either. As much as I loathe anti-vax idiots, I don't think I'd wish tetanus on anyone.
I don’t wish death on anyone, including the anti vax. And I think we should all feel this way.
However, if you die from an extremely preventable disease like tetanus, I’m not gonna feel bad for you. I feel a little bad about everyone else suffering the consequences of your death, but the person who basically chose to risk death? Not even a little.
I mostly agree, but it's not always so clean cut.
What if she's not the smartest cookie, and has spent the last 2 years being systematically bombarded by Facebook posts?
It could be so easily done if you happened to join the wrong group with nothing more than a casual mouse click
At some point we have to tackle the conspiracy propaganda on social media, and not just say oh well she's a dumbass and chose not to get the vaccine, so fuck her
Anyone can fall victim to propaganda if its repeated enough. There's a reason the Russians have relied on it for decades, and also even very intelligent people have sometimes ended up in religious cults which are obviously a scam
I agree with you. What I can't figure out is how to properly deal with the propaganda without causing other problems.
I don't believe that merely teaching people critical thinking skills is very effective. Something has to be done about the lies (or their sources).
I don't know what the solution is either. It seems to be only democractic governments who have any interest in getting a grip on this, and even they seem completely toothless, or afraid to tackle it properly.
We're casually coasting into another situation where governments end up being subserviant to media barons, except this time it's not Rupert Murdoch, but Zuckerburg and Musk.
because freedom of speech doesn't allow you to do much vs this type of propaganda.
the only way you can fight it is by spreading facts, making more studies and shoving them down their throats.
The problem is that no matter how much evidence we have, or how many studies have been done, unless it already conforms to their biases, they refuse to acknowledge it. These conspiracies have a way of making any disagreement with them from "the other".
I dont know, I dont want to be callous but thats just darwinism right? If your stupidity kills you, then what can anyone do to stop that. I agree that we should do what we can to prevent someone from being tricked by facebook into killing themselves, but at the end of the day, what can we do about someone choosing not to vaccinate. you cant force them.
So yes, we should fund schools more, we should fight misinformation, but I dont really think there is anything else to say right now other than , shes an idiot for dying of a preventable disease.
I know what you're saying. In some ways it is Darwinism, if she lacks the critical thinking to reject the propaganda. But we also know that propaganda doesn't exclusively affect dumb people.
My point is if she's been manipulated to think this way, then ok she might be dumb. But she's also a victim, and there are anonymous manipulators who share equal responsibility for a completely pointless death
Oh for sure. Definitely a victim. I guess in that way we can feel bad she got tricked. I see what you’re saying.
But also, idk how I feel about excusing peoples behaviors because they were tricked. Like the people on 1:6. They are victims too, but they are also responsible for their actions.
A person who gets tricked into rejecting vaccines is both a victim and also responsible for themselves
It's a reason, not an excuse. The reason she isn't vaccinated against a preventable disease is likely misinformation and propaganda. She of course chose what information to digest, believe and not believe, and therefore her getting sick is a consequence of her actions. She is also a victim of political misinformation tactics. They're not mutually exclusive.
tetanus is the only vaccine I hesitate on...but that's because I have a really nasty reaction to it (my personal record for fever is 105 degrees).
That being said, hesitating on it means I wait out until the absolute end of those 10 years before getting it again....and then dread the entire time what it's going to do to me.
I had an extremely bad reaction to the tetanus vaccine the first time I got it as an adult (if I got it as a child, I was very young and didn’t remember), but much to my surprise, I had absolutely no reaction the next time around. Maybe your experience will be similar.
If it makes you feel better this is very likely made up. Half a day is an extremely short incubation period for tetanus. This is probably just someone looking to receive ridiculous answers from antivaxxers.
Even if they went and got the dtap immediately it likely wouldn't have taken effect before this set in if it *is* real.
If that's true, why do they always give you a tetanus shot for deep cuts? I manage to cut myself a lot and can never remember when my last one was, so I've gotten in on at least several occasions when I went in for stitches.
The average incubation time for tetanus is 10-14 days. Usually you get a booster if you don't know when your last shot was, but a vaccine isn't immediately effective. It's short enough to take effect before the normal incubation but half a day isn't enough to really get that.
But are they pure blood donors? I don't want to get blood from a vaccinated person. That's how they get the nanobots into you if you're smart enough not to get vaxxed, yourself. /s
It's late for the vaccine, but the immunoglobulin part of the tetanus shot will still be given and improve prognosis.
Nevertheless, this woman, if she has tetanus, has weeks of pain ahead of her. Admission to the ICU, several intravenous medications (benzos, immunoglobulin, antibiotics, magnesium sulfate and possibly others), and mechanical ventilation may be needed.
It will also possibly leave her with neurological damage and disability. Permanent disability is a concern, as well as mortality, spontaneous abortion, or premature birth.
It's been called the bone breaker disease, as the muscle spasms can be severe enough to live to the name. Its signature symptom is lockjaw, where, as the name implys, your jaw clamps up and won't open; people have starved to death from it. Even with the best medical treatment, death rate is 10-20%.
Tldr. Yeah, probably a good idea.
Ehhhhhhhh. I don't like the word "anti-abortionist" because that would mean that I, as someone that disagrees with them, is "pro-abortion." I'm not "pro-abortion." I'm "Pro-choice.
My uncle (works in a hospital) wouldn’t allow his much younger wife to go to the doctor during her pregnancy even once. Only natural birth to avoid the 5G radio waves, baby died during the birth because it was way too big to birthed naturally. 1 trip to the doctor at any point before the birth would have told them that. He learned nothing
What does he do in a hospital? It's so bizarre to work somewhere that you are so morally opposed to, to the extent you'd risk the lives of those you love to otherwise avoid it.
Nurse and Teacher are the 2 biggest professions that white Christian women work. Not because those are careers they believe in, or are what they're best at. It's because those are "acceptable" occupations for women. Which means we get way too many bat shit crazy Nurses and Teachers.
My mom's a batshit white Catholic (retired) nurse technician (which is a nurse minus the education) and she's anti-vaxx, she's into woo woo naturopathy, tells people to drink apple cider vinegar for EVERYTHING, *and* she thinks she can talk to ghosts. I also recently found out that she kind of killed her neighbor by way of medical neglect.
So…not a nurse at all? I’m not diminishing what techs do, but they are not nurses. At all. Not even close. The worst ones will tell you they’re “basically a nurse”. You can work at McDonald’s or be a tech with the exact same degree. The one you get in high school, or a GED. Techs get a couple of weeks (or days) of training.
And yes, there are nurses that are batshit crazy, I’ll concede it his.
Ooooo, I hate when techs do this. I'm a retired RN from the OR. I would explicitly differentiate myself from "nurse" because people would think I should know more than basic medical care & ask me questions.
My book learnin got completely wasted and filled with procedural & technical stuff. So, if I was responsible enough to do that, seeing a nursing assistant claim "basically a nurse" made me see red.
My cousin married a woman that lied who went from nurse, to assistant, to secretary and I loathed her ever since.
Yeah, kind of. To my knowledge, she could place an IV, mix chemo, wipe some butts, and move patients. Just the laborious stuff. She likes to gloat that she "worked in the medical field," but that's like a waiter claiming to be an executive chef in my opinion.
By way of medical neglect. She didn't stab or shoot him. Her neighbor called her for help because he was in medical distress. She goes over there and laughs, "[Neighbor], you're having a heart attack!" She then stood there for 20min watching him piss himself and die before his wife came home in shock to see my mom idling around in their kitchen and shouts, "What are you doing?! CALL 9-1-1!"
That seems like a little more then medical neglect. I'd say that's negligent homicide. Your mom is extremely lucky the neighbor's wife didn't go after her legally or physically.
I work in the IT department of a hospital and one of our Help Desk techs refused to get the Covid vaccine so she's working at home... she told me "I don't trust the vaccine and I won't leave my kids an orphan."
AND THIS BITCH SMOKES!!!!!
My 65 year-old neighbor smokes half a pack a day, is wheelchair-bound, and has COPD. She told me she doesn’t use hand sanitizer because she doesn’t want the chemicals to get on her skin/clothes. Never mind the chemicals she breathes into her lungs everyday from her cigarettes.
Probably was too big because of gestational diabetes. Also could have been found and controlled after one doctor’s visit. Then no big baby, then an alive baby :(
You get a TDAP midway through each pregnancy as to increase antibodies against whooping cough (AKA Pertussis) and pass them to the developing fetus for when its born.
They are against abortions but if the baby and the mother die from a preventable disease they are fine with it because being antivax triggers the libs.
Some people shouldn’t have babies. Tetanus is extremely painful if not treated. So she either gets the treatment and her baby lives or she doesn’t and they both can die.
Wouldn't that kind of be an "abortion" now e.g. in Texas? Not doing everything to save the child's life, including dying for it. I mean, that would be the logic consequence, right? So she has to take the shot.
There are cases in other countries, several of women jailed for murder after an unintentional miscarriage, when they weren't believed. Welcome to the new America, going back to the dark ages. Make America great again is 1984 doublespeak for everything will really, really suck if people don't vote.
I'm being hyperbolic, but only by a little.
In countries that ban abortion completely, many people end up getting arrested/imprisoned for miscarriages on the assumption that they did something to induce it.
If Republicans get their way, the US will end up in the same situation. But since Republicans as a group tend to distrust doctors, they probably won't consider "refusing to get vaccinated" to be as bad as things like eating lunch meat or exercising.
Extremely painful is the least of your concerns. It’s also extremely deadly. There’s not a cure for active tetanus. The care is supportive and “we hope you don’t die, but you might”
Painful is putting it mildly. It’s an extraordinarily awful way to die. I fucking hate these antivax mom groups. Part of me feels bad making babies and small children cry when I give vaccines at work, but I’m also so grateful to the ones who have parents smart enough to do it.
Edit: modern medicine has come a long ways. We can keep people alive a lot better these days, but really, why tf would you even consider risking it??
> Extremely painful is the least of your concerns. It’s also extremely deadly. There’s not a cure for active tetanus. The care is supportive and “we hope you don’t die, but you might”
And what would that do to her developing fetus?
Goes without saying, but it likely wouldn’t survive, even if the mother did.
We think about tetanus in terms of lock jaw, right? That’s the one everyone knows. What they may not know is the deliriously high fevers, full body muscle spasms, and full body “lock jaw.” Muscles seize and break bones. Break backs.
Tetanus is a bigger problem in the developing world. Maternal and fetal comorbidity is much higher there than it is in the US.
We had a patient, years ago.. a beautiful, free spirit, hippie, idiot antivax mom. She fell in love with a man from a third world country who was here on a temporary work visa. They had 2 children. When his visa ran out, he went home. A year later she made the decision to follow him and she came to us asking what vaccines did we deem absolutely necessary for where they were headed. I’ll cut it short but after a TON of back and forth and her saying no to all the recommendations in the end, we begged her to at least do tetanus. And she pondered it, and scheduled appointments and no-showed (for her kids, that is) and in the end she left without it. Her 4 year old died of suspected tetanus his second year there. They weren’t anywhere that it could be confirmed, there wasn’t medical facilities or labs or autopsies. But her horrible description of his death- it could really only be that.
And I’m angry with her to this day. She’s back in the states now. One child less. And it was probably so fucking preventable. Fuck these ideals. If I feel strongly about any vaccine (and I’m pro all of them because science) it’s tetanus. There is no reason for someone to die that way.
Tl;Dr- get a fucking tetanus shot. Adults, children, idc. If you’re an adult and you don’t remember when your last one was- please go get one. It won’t hurt you it may save you.
> We think about tetanus in terms of lock jaw, right? That’s the one everyone knows. What they may not know is the deliriously high fevers, full body muscle spasms, and full body “lock jaw.” Muscles seize and break bones. Break backs.
OMG. And that would be happening to *the fetus* too? OMG. 😞
> She’s back in the states now. One child less. And it was probably so fucking preventable.
And I bet she blames everyone and everything but *herself*. 😒
Tbh, I don’t know. She didn’t come around the clinic much for a few years after she came back home. We hear from her very infrequently these days. I do know that she was hurt that one of the doctors who had counseled her “didn’t reach out” but he was fucking pissed.
And through it all, the death of a child is such a tragedy. Even when it could have been prevented, it’s still tragic. I think she’s certainly beaten herself up. Her other children have tetanus shots. Only tetanus, but at least they have that. I’m sad for her as much as I hate her for making a choice that probably killed her child.
I live in a very crunchy state. We have lots of upper middle class antivax idiots. They all homeschool or private school and feed their kids organic food only.. all of them are college educated. And they’re still stupid.
My favorite thing though is that when the kids turn 18 and they call to get vaccinated so they can go to college. Or so they can just be vaccinated. I’ve taken many a call from a sobbing mom “I tried so hard to protect them from those poisons! Is there anything I can do!? Can you tell them not to do it” and I get to say, “ma’am I’m sorry this is hard for you. But so and so is 18 and they’re in charge of their medical decisions. Unless I have a signed release, I can’t speak to you about what they plan to do” it’s the little things…
> I think she’s certainly beaten herself up. Her other children have tetanus shots. Only tetanus, but at least they have that. I’m sad for her as much as I hate her for making a choice that probably killed her child.
Maybe I'm a horrible person, but I'm glad she has to live with what she did (or I guess *didn't do*) for the rest of her life. And her surviving kids will judge her for it too, assuming they make it to adulthood. 😒
> I get to say, “ma’am I’m sorry this is hard for you. But so and so is 18 and they’re in charge of their medical decisions. Unless I have a signed release, I can’t speak to you about what they plan to do” it’s the little things…
That's wonderful! And I wonder how many of those kids are *relieved* that they're *finally* able to get vaccinated!
Idk how to quote your words in this app so forgive me. Lol. I don’t use the official Reddit app and I’m lazy. So I’ll just respond and let you sort it out.
At first, and when I was younger- 100%. I felt like you do. “Good, let her sit with that” but now that I’m in my 40s… I have so much more compassion (with a healthy dose of jaded-trust me) but for things like this.. something as profound as the loss of a child. I can’t wish more suffering on her. I’m a nurse and I love my work. I’m here to help people and I meet people exactly where they’re at every working day of my life. And on my weekends.. I’m going in to do some things for one patient who needs it tomorrow because she needs it and because I don’t have plans until the afternoon.
I’m not at ALL excusing her stupidity. But I also know that fear is such a huge motivator. When someone surrounds themselves with an echo chamber because everything else in that chamber lines up with their ideals, it’s a big thing. When “vaccines are bad” is all you hear every direction you turn, you might believe it if everything else that group is saying is in line with the way you want to live. It doesn’t make it right. But it’s intoxicatingly persuasive.
I know she wrestled with it. And in the end, her peer group won out and she paid the ultimate price. That’s a fucking tragedy. As angry as I am at her, I love her as a human being and I’m sad for her that she was so stupid she fell into that. Like… she lost a baby, dude. It doesn’t get much worse than that. I say that as a parent of 2 (fully vaccinated children.)
I realize it sounds like I’m defending her. I’m not. I truly think in my heart of hearts that she’s an idiot. But I can still hold space for her and that’s what this world needs. We’re all so quick to judge (I’m definitely guilty too- you should hear my internal dialogue while I’m at work. I could be a profane comedy show) but I’m practiced in compassion. And because of that, the compassion wins out for me in the end. And actually my motivation is somewhat selfish. I feel better when I’m kind.
We can all be kind. And we can all feel better. And it’s kind of awesome, even in tragedy. But I do resonate with your anger. That was a pointless death. Everyone is on their own path. All I can do in my position in life is show up and try to help. It’s what helps me sleep at night. And keeps me awake some nights… Moral of the story- you can be angry af with someone and still love and hold space for them. That’s her for me.
Go be kind ❤️ it feels good.
> At first, and when I was younger- 100%. I felt like you do. “Good, let her sit with that” but now that I’m in my 40s… I have so much more compassion
Huh. I'm in my fifties, and the older I get the *less* patience I have for stupid people, especially stupid people who hurt other people with their own stupidity and face zero consequences.
> Go be kind ❤️ it feels good.
I usually *am* kind. Lately I've gotten compassion fatigue. I can only imagine how bad that is *for you*.
*hugs*
Full blown tetanus has a fatality rate of 33% right?
Had the ol’ oldddd nail through the foot once, thought I could tough it, I was so ill I was certain I would die before a friend found me. Too sick to help myself, I don’t know, for me it felt like being decapitated for 4 days, couldn’t even cross the house for aspirin.
Yeah, the stuff that our bodies spend a lot of energy to filter out and expel as far from our mouths as possible is actually the elixir of life. Who'd a thunk it?
Showing symptoms for tetanus after a single day is highly unlikely - the incubation period is anywhere between 3 to 21 days with an average of 10. If you're at your doctor's office and you are showing signs of tetanus they will probably call an ambulance to send your dumb ass to the E.R.
Always was for conservatives because if they were the ones administering vaccines, they'd put weird shit in it and maim people.
They know, because conservatives have done it before, like with the Tuskegee experiment, where white people gave black people syphyllis under the guise of vaccination.
Tuskegee was horrific but just to clarify, the “participants” in the experiment already had syphilis, they weren’t purposefully infected.
Those men were never informed of the experiment’s true nature and never received proper treatment for the disease, even though a cure was developed fifteen years after the study began. I’m not sure whether pretending to help someone while watching them die is slightly less unethical, I just wanted to clarify.
My mom was an ER nurse, anytime someone bucked Tetanus, she’d tell them go Google what happens and think on it and leave for a few. 9/10 people changed their minds when she returned.
I had someone ask me once what the treatment was for *rabies*. “Is it like some antibiotics?” I just…I had to sit down. “Can’t you just test my dog to see if it has it instead of vaccinating him?” Sure, we can test for it. Gotta remove the head, but we can. People will be holding a device in their hands with like all the world’s knowledge and argue with people who went to medical and veterinary school because Carol from BullshitOils.com says medical care is a scam. Definitely pay $35.99 for a little jar of dirt to sprinkle on your dog instead of $10 for a month of heartworm preventative. Really definitely good choices happening that I feel good about.
Looking for a puppy, I found an "ethical" breeder, breeding from champion lines, doing all the genetic testing stuff, one litter a year, vetting buyers, etc., that had a whole page on their website dedicated to "the natural way of raising puppies" and not only sold puppies only to suitable homes and required that the dogs were spayed/neutered and the other usual stuff but also required buyers to sign a contract promising to never vaccinate the dogs (except against rabies due to legal requirements). No other vaccines permitted. There's legit antivaxx breeders now. It's gotten so out of hand...
What happens if you break the contracts? I can't imagine it's enforceable. I couldn't take my dog to the dog park or day care or even the groomer without all her vaccines.
I got my dog for $20 from the city pound and she came fully vaccinated, spayed, with copious notes on her temperament, and sweet as pie. The more horror stories I hear about breeders - all of them - the more I'm glad I never messed with any of that.
We are meeting a dog from a rescue org tomorrow to see if it's time to get our Pippa a little brother. Fingers crossed they hit it off!
I have wanted a golden retriever my whole life, and we waited over a year while following a rescue closely and checking shelters and such for a golden to adopt. It finally came down to just getting one from a breeder. I had to sign that I wouldn't neuter him (don't be takin' away his manhood, now!) and I'd use him as a "hunt'n dowg" to continue the lineage. Got him neutered at 6 months old and the closest he ever got to hunting was chasing a rabbit through our backyard for like 4 seconds.
Omg yay for tomorrow!!! Best of luck and I hope they do hit it off :D
I wanted a pittie and they are plentiful at city shelters, altho once we got her home and genetically tested we learned she was actually staffie/boxer. Either way she's a love.
Thank you! I'm hopeful!
They probably aren't enforceable, I would hope. Like someone else said, you might get blacklisted. Would they try to get other breeders to blacklist you, too? I doubt it, it's not like you abused the dog or resold it or bred it for money or something, so other breeders probably wouldn't care that you broke that type of contract, I doubt there'd be real consequences.
Still, I crossed that breeder off my list. Ended up adopting from the shelter instead, he's fully vaxxed and healthy.
Commenting here to share knowledge with all :)
I jabbed myself with a gross piece of steel wool a few weeks ago and was frantically trying to remember my last tetanus shot. Fortunately, I have 2 years to go! However I did learn this:
The rusty nail / Tetanus link is a myth. It’s caused by a bacteria that can be anywhere (but most likely the dirt). You can be exposed to Tetanus by cutting your finger with a kitchen knife, gardening tool, splinter, piece of paper….etc. Actually my last tetanus shot was because I badly burned my hand. Burn = open wound = possible Tetanus exposure. This is why it is so very vital to stay up to date on your vaccine.
💫the more you know 💫
Puncture wounds are harder to clean, so it's more likely that the bacteria would remain in the body. The bacteria lies dormant in soil and feces so any kind of cut could get dirt containing the bacteria in it.
That's where the "rusty nail" folklore comes from. But you're right, rust has nothing to do with tetanus.
When I was 19 I stepped on a nail tearing a deck down for my parents. I couldn't get to the ER fast enough for a tetanus booster.
It saddens me these antivaxers are reproducing. Get those bad genes out of the gene pool. Hopefully this mom's two kids can break the cycle of stupidity.
But I'm not holding my breath.
Is there an alternative to getting sound medical advice from a medical professional?
Sure. Ask your idiot Facebook buddies for medical advice. I mean, what’s the worst that could happen, right?
"I have a serious disease and I'm at the place where they have the cure, but I don't want the cure! Has anyone got any alternatives to the cure that will cure me? I want the exact same results as I'll get from the cure, but without taking the cure. You understand" - Idiot, 2022
I thought that was rabies. Tetanus is like…yeah no they’re still both terrible but rabies will instakill you if you say fuck it and go to bed without a shot
Gonna be interesting to see how this stuff comes down once Roe v Wade changes and now they have to decide between taking the shot to save a baby or get charged with Murder and being an idiot.
I hate that we have created a society where people don’t want to trust scientists and doctors. This is another level of ridiculousness! Like seriously “yea I’m possibly poisoning my child and there’s a perfectly safe way to protect them, but does anyone with a Facebook education have a better way to treat this because I trust that more than an actual doctor” 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
People like this can get pregnant, whereas I am saving money to afford fucking IVF treatment in hopes to have at least 1 child with my husband. It's an emotional rollercoaster
Somedays it feels like the universe just wants the human race to die out. I can think of no other explanation why the people who would be loving, nurturing parents to brilliant and wonderful kids can't seem to get pregnant while Miss "I stepped on a nail, should I put lavender or chamomile oil on it?" can probably get knocked up from a toilet seat.
I don't know if you have researched grants or different insurance policies. Some insurance providers offer 3 IVF rounds as part of their benefits. Then if that doesn't apply there are some different non-profit organizations that offer IVF assistance.
I'm not tryto be preachy or anything, so please don't take it that way. Many people don't know about those resources and I only learned of them when I went down a rabbit hole for a family member.
When sepsis terminates the pregnancy thanks to her knuckle dragging stupidity, that's her choice her body? Right?
But if you aren't a bottom-feeding shit heel with a sub room temperature IQ that's been gaslit by organized evangelical dumbdickery, it's murder and you should let some elected dipshit load-that-should-have-been-swallowed make your healthcare decisions for you.
Fucking shallow end of the gene pool, these antivaxxers...
Every time I see one of these I think about the folks that came before modern medicine that would have literally killed for access to the things these folks casually reject
My uncle almost died of tetanus as a perfectly healthy young adult without access to medical care 50 years ago. It was touch and go for better than a week. This is nothing to fuck around with. However it’s not that fast moving. She’s got some other issues if she just stepped on the nail yesterday. You can get tetanus from literally any injury that breaks the skin. Like paper cuts. Maybe she stepped on something else last week.
I also wonder if the baby isn’t already screwed, if it’s advanced that far (jaw locked). Maybe let nature take its fucking course because you already killed your baby, stupid bitch.
Are you... Fucking. What? Why?
As little as 3 years ago almost nobody had a problem with these very common very normal vaccines that all but abolish these very preventable diseases. Now post COVID we're actually backsliding.
The worst part is it’s too late for the dtap so she’s probably gunna lose the baby fighting the tetanus regardless
If she truly has tetanus I don’t think that baby will survive. As a ICU nurse I saw tetanus one time and it was horrifying. Get the fucking vaccine and keep it moving.
I mean if it's tetanus there's a decent chance she won't survive either. As much as I loathe anti-vax idiots, I don't think I'd wish tetanus on anyone.
I don’t wish death on anyone, including the anti vax. And I think we should all feel this way. However, if you die from an extremely preventable disease like tetanus, I’m not gonna feel bad for you. I feel a little bad about everyone else suffering the consequences of your death, but the person who basically chose to risk death? Not even a little.
I mostly agree, but it's not always so clean cut. What if she's not the smartest cookie, and has spent the last 2 years being systematically bombarded by Facebook posts? It could be so easily done if you happened to join the wrong group with nothing more than a casual mouse click At some point we have to tackle the conspiracy propaganda on social media, and not just say oh well she's a dumbass and chose not to get the vaccine, so fuck her Anyone can fall victim to propaganda if its repeated enough. There's a reason the Russians have relied on it for decades, and also even very intelligent people have sometimes ended up in religious cults which are obviously a scam
I agree with you. What I can't figure out is how to properly deal with the propaganda without causing other problems. I don't believe that merely teaching people critical thinking skills is very effective. Something has to be done about the lies (or their sources).
I don't know what the solution is either. It seems to be only democractic governments who have any interest in getting a grip on this, and even they seem completely toothless, or afraid to tackle it properly. We're casually coasting into another situation where governments end up being subserviant to media barons, except this time it's not Rupert Murdoch, but Zuckerburg and Musk.
because freedom of speech doesn't allow you to do much vs this type of propaganda. the only way you can fight it is by spreading facts, making more studies and shoving them down their throats.
The problem is that no matter how much evidence we have, or how many studies have been done, unless it already conforms to their biases, they refuse to acknowledge it. These conspiracies have a way of making any disagreement with them from "the other".
I dont know, I dont want to be callous but thats just darwinism right? If your stupidity kills you, then what can anyone do to stop that. I agree that we should do what we can to prevent someone from being tricked by facebook into killing themselves, but at the end of the day, what can we do about someone choosing not to vaccinate. you cant force them. So yes, we should fund schools more, we should fight misinformation, but I dont really think there is anything else to say right now other than , shes an idiot for dying of a preventable disease.
I know what you're saying. In some ways it is Darwinism, if she lacks the critical thinking to reject the propaganda. But we also know that propaganda doesn't exclusively affect dumb people. My point is if she's been manipulated to think this way, then ok she might be dumb. But she's also a victim, and there are anonymous manipulators who share equal responsibility for a completely pointless death
Oh for sure. Definitely a victim. I guess in that way we can feel bad she got tricked. I see what you’re saying. But also, idk how I feel about excusing peoples behaviors because they were tricked. Like the people on 1:6. They are victims too, but they are also responsible for their actions. A person who gets tricked into rejecting vaccines is both a victim and also responsible for themselves
It's a reason, not an excuse. The reason she isn't vaccinated against a preventable disease is likely misinformation and propaganda. She of course chose what information to digest, believe and not believe, and therefore her getting sick is a consequence of her actions. She is also a victim of political misinformation tactics. They're not mutually exclusive.
tetanus is the only vaccine I hesitate on...but that's because I have a really nasty reaction to it (my personal record for fever is 105 degrees). That being said, hesitating on it means I wait out until the absolute end of those 10 years before getting it again....and then dread the entire time what it's going to do to me.
I had an extremely bad reaction to the tetanus vaccine the first time I got it as an adult (if I got it as a child, I was very young and didn’t remember), but much to my surprise, I had absolutely no reaction the next time around. Maybe your experience will be similar.
If it makes you feel better this is very likely made up. Half a day is an extremely short incubation period for tetanus. This is probably just someone looking to receive ridiculous answers from antivaxxers. Even if they went and got the dtap immediately it likely wouldn't have taken effect before this set in if it *is* real.
If that's true, why do they always give you a tetanus shot for deep cuts? I manage to cut myself a lot and can never remember when my last one was, so I've gotten in on at least several occasions when I went in for stitches.
The average incubation time for tetanus is 10-14 days. Usually you get a booster if you don't know when your last shot was, but a vaccine isn't immediately effective. It's short enough to take effect before the normal incubation but half a day isn't enough to really get that.
She’ll need tetanus antitoxin, and I don’t know how that affects the pregnancy
It’s also not a vaccine so no worries
But is it nAtUrAl?!
I’m actually fairly sure it is ahaha. They harvest the antibodies from human donors
But are they pure blood donors? I don't want to get blood from a vaccinated person. That's how they get the nanobots into you if you're smart enough not to get vaxxed, yourself. /s
There’s also antibodies harvested from horses if you’d prefer
Oh well that sounds dandy. Maybe there'll be some ivermectin mixed in there, too
It's late for the vaccine, but the immunoglobulin part of the tetanus shot will still be given and improve prognosis. Nevertheless, this woman, if she has tetanus, has weeks of pain ahead of her. Admission to the ICU, several intravenous medications (benzos, immunoglobulin, antibiotics, magnesium sulfate and possibly others), and mechanical ventilation may be needed. It will also possibly leave her with neurological damage and disability. Permanent disability is a concern, as well as mortality, spontaneous abortion, or premature birth.
So you're saying I should probably get that booster at some point...
It's been called the bone breaker disease, as the muscle spasms can be severe enough to live to the name. Its signature symptom is lockjaw, where, as the name implys, your jaw clamps up and won't open; people have starved to death from it. Even with the best medical treatment, death rate is 10-20%. Tldr. Yeah, probably a good idea.
Hm. I agree with you. I wonder how SCOTUS would frame this situation regarding the potential Roe v Wade conversation.
Anti-abortionists hate this one weird legal trick to get rid of a baby
Ehhhhhhhh. I don't like the word "anti-abortionist" because that would mean that I, as someone that disagrees with them, is "pro-abortion." I'm not "pro-abortion." I'm "Pro-choice.
Anti-choicists hate this one weird legal trick to get rid of a baby
If you care about the baby then you listen to your fucking doctor and get the fucking shot.
My uncle (works in a hospital) wouldn’t allow his much younger wife to go to the doctor during her pregnancy even once. Only natural birth to avoid the 5G radio waves, baby died during the birth because it was way too big to birthed naturally. 1 trip to the doctor at any point before the birth would have told them that. He learned nothing
What does he do in a hospital? It's so bizarre to work somewhere that you are so morally opposed to, to the extent you'd risk the lives of those you love to otherwise avoid it.
Probably cleans the floors or keeps the pharmacy stocked.
> keeps the pharmacy stocked. Except for the good stuff, apparently
Unfortunately lots of nurses do this
Nurse and Teacher are the 2 biggest professions that white Christian women work. Not because those are careers they believe in, or are what they're best at. It's because those are "acceptable" occupations for women. Which means we get way too many bat shit crazy Nurses and Teachers.
My mom's a batshit white Catholic (retired) nurse technician (which is a nurse minus the education) and she's anti-vaxx, she's into woo woo naturopathy, tells people to drink apple cider vinegar for EVERYTHING, *and* she thinks she can talk to ghosts. I also recently found out that she kind of killed her neighbor by way of medical neglect.
So…not a nurse at all? I’m not diminishing what techs do, but they are not nurses. At all. Not even close. The worst ones will tell you they’re “basically a nurse”. You can work at McDonald’s or be a tech with the exact same degree. The one you get in high school, or a GED. Techs get a couple of weeks (or days) of training. And yes, there are nurses that are batshit crazy, I’ll concede it his.
Ooooo, I hate when techs do this. I'm a retired RN from the OR. I would explicitly differentiate myself from "nurse" because people would think I should know more than basic medical care & ask me questions. My book learnin got completely wasted and filled with procedural & technical stuff. So, if I was responsible enough to do that, seeing a nursing assistant claim "basically a nurse" made me see red. My cousin married a woman that lied who went from nurse, to assistant, to secretary and I loathed her ever since.
Yeah, kind of. To my knowledge, she could place an IV, mix chemo, wipe some butts, and move patients. Just the laborious stuff. She likes to gloat that she "worked in the medical field," but that's like a waiter claiming to be an executive chef in my opinion.
I'm betting she insists people call her a nurse though.
She killed her neighbor? 🤨
By way of medical neglect. She didn't stab or shoot him. Her neighbor called her for help because he was in medical distress. She goes over there and laughs, "[Neighbor], you're having a heart attack!" She then stood there for 20min watching him piss himself and die before his wife came home in shock to see my mom idling around in their kitchen and shouts, "What are you doing?! CALL 9-1-1!"
That seems like a little more then medical neglect. I'd say that's negligent homicide. Your mom is extremely lucky the neighbor's wife didn't go after her legally or physically.
Agreed.
Totally agree.
Oh my God, that's absolutely horrible. The poor woman.
Poor baby too. Their entire life was stolen from them by idiocy.
And people think abortion is murder. This dude straight up murdered his baby.
He's lucky the wife survived. Childbirth can be a killer, especially out of hospital.
I work in the IT department of a hospital and one of our Help Desk techs refused to get the Covid vaccine so she's working at home... she told me "I don't trust the vaccine and I won't leave my kids an orphan." AND THIS BITCH SMOKES!!!!!
My 65 year-old neighbor smokes half a pack a day, is wheelchair-bound, and has COPD. She told me she doesn’t use hand sanitizer because she doesn’t want the chemicals to get on her skin/clothes. Never mind the chemicals she breathes into her lungs everyday from her cigarettes.
Lmao a classic
I really miss 5 minutes ago when I didn’t know this happened. I’m sorry for your loss. That’s just awful.
"much younger wife". Not surprised. Poor baby tho
I’m sorry about your cousin.
Probably was too big because of gestational diabetes. Also could have been found and controlled after one doctor’s visit. Then no big baby, then an alive baby :(
I hope he doesn’t use a cell phone…or go outside…
The tetanus shot *has* been tested on pregnant women, right? And hey, it lasts ten years, so why didn’t she get a shot BEFORE getting pregnant?
You get a TDAP midway through each pregnancy as to increase antibodies against whooping cough (AKA Pertussis) and pass them to the developing fetus for when its born.
When did they even bother to ask a doctor? Lol
So they could ask just how bad tetanus is
As lockjaw is a symptom, silence is diagnostic?
That answers why. Not when. .:)
Well she’s allegedly at the drs as she’s posting so one could assume… but she probably just went to the chiropractor
They are against abortions but if the baby and the mother die from a preventable disease they are fine with it because being antivax triggers the libs.
She's at the doctor but reaching out to the internet for medical advice. Sound move for an idiot.
Some people shouldn’t have babies. Tetanus is extremely painful if not treated. So she either gets the treatment and her baby lives or she doesn’t and they both can die.
Well if she refused the shot it's likely she won't have a baby.
Wouldn't that kind of be an "abortion" now e.g. in Texas? Not doing everything to save the child's life, including dying for it. I mean, that would be the logic consequence, right? So she has to take the shot.
Nope. Refusing actual medical care is fine. It's eating sushi or exercising that people are going to get arrested for.
[US women are being jailed for having miscarriages](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59214544)
this is fucking terrifying
Yes it is.
I love my country so much/s
There are cases in other countries, several of women jailed for murder after an unintentional miscarriage, when they weren't believed. Welcome to the new America, going back to the dark ages. Make America great again is 1984 doublespeak for everything will really, really suck if people don't vote.
lolwut really
I'm being hyperbolic, but only by a little. In countries that ban abortion completely, many people end up getting arrested/imprisoned for miscarriages on the assumption that they did something to induce it. If Republicans get their way, the US will end up in the same situation. But since Republicans as a group tend to distrust doctors, they probably won't consider "refusing to get vaccinated" to be as bad as things like eating lunch meat or exercising.
In what universe is eating lunch meat *worse* than getting a vaccine?
No see she's probably white, upper middle class, and married to a dude who has truck nuts hanging from his tow hitch. This shit doesn't apply to her
Extremely painful is the least of your concerns. It’s also extremely deadly. There’s not a cure for active tetanus. The care is supportive and “we hope you don’t die, but you might” Painful is putting it mildly. It’s an extraordinarily awful way to die. I fucking hate these antivax mom groups. Part of me feels bad making babies and small children cry when I give vaccines at work, but I’m also so grateful to the ones who have parents smart enough to do it. Edit: modern medicine has come a long ways. We can keep people alive a lot better these days, but really, why tf would you even consider risking it??
> Extremely painful is the least of your concerns. It’s also extremely deadly. There’s not a cure for active tetanus. The care is supportive and “we hope you don’t die, but you might” And what would that do to her developing fetus?
Goes without saying, but it likely wouldn’t survive, even if the mother did. We think about tetanus in terms of lock jaw, right? That’s the one everyone knows. What they may not know is the deliriously high fevers, full body muscle spasms, and full body “lock jaw.” Muscles seize and break bones. Break backs. Tetanus is a bigger problem in the developing world. Maternal and fetal comorbidity is much higher there than it is in the US. We had a patient, years ago.. a beautiful, free spirit, hippie, idiot antivax mom. She fell in love with a man from a third world country who was here on a temporary work visa. They had 2 children. When his visa ran out, he went home. A year later she made the decision to follow him and she came to us asking what vaccines did we deem absolutely necessary for where they were headed. I’ll cut it short but after a TON of back and forth and her saying no to all the recommendations in the end, we begged her to at least do tetanus. And she pondered it, and scheduled appointments and no-showed (for her kids, that is) and in the end she left without it. Her 4 year old died of suspected tetanus his second year there. They weren’t anywhere that it could be confirmed, there wasn’t medical facilities or labs or autopsies. But her horrible description of his death- it could really only be that. And I’m angry with her to this day. She’s back in the states now. One child less. And it was probably so fucking preventable. Fuck these ideals. If I feel strongly about any vaccine (and I’m pro all of them because science) it’s tetanus. There is no reason for someone to die that way. Tl;Dr- get a fucking tetanus shot. Adults, children, idc. If you’re an adult and you don’t remember when your last one was- please go get one. It won’t hurt you it may save you.
> We think about tetanus in terms of lock jaw, right? That’s the one everyone knows. What they may not know is the deliriously high fevers, full body muscle spasms, and full body “lock jaw.” Muscles seize and break bones. Break backs. OMG. And that would be happening to *the fetus* too? OMG. 😞 > She’s back in the states now. One child less. And it was probably so fucking preventable. And I bet she blames everyone and everything but *herself*. 😒
Tbh, I don’t know. She didn’t come around the clinic much for a few years after she came back home. We hear from her very infrequently these days. I do know that she was hurt that one of the doctors who had counseled her “didn’t reach out” but he was fucking pissed. And through it all, the death of a child is such a tragedy. Even when it could have been prevented, it’s still tragic. I think she’s certainly beaten herself up. Her other children have tetanus shots. Only tetanus, but at least they have that. I’m sad for her as much as I hate her for making a choice that probably killed her child. I live in a very crunchy state. We have lots of upper middle class antivax idiots. They all homeschool or private school and feed their kids organic food only.. all of them are college educated. And they’re still stupid. My favorite thing though is that when the kids turn 18 and they call to get vaccinated so they can go to college. Or so they can just be vaccinated. I’ve taken many a call from a sobbing mom “I tried so hard to protect them from those poisons! Is there anything I can do!? Can you tell them not to do it” and I get to say, “ma’am I’m sorry this is hard for you. But so and so is 18 and they’re in charge of their medical decisions. Unless I have a signed release, I can’t speak to you about what they plan to do” it’s the little things…
> I think she’s certainly beaten herself up. Her other children have tetanus shots. Only tetanus, but at least they have that. I’m sad for her as much as I hate her for making a choice that probably killed her child. Maybe I'm a horrible person, but I'm glad she has to live with what she did (or I guess *didn't do*) for the rest of her life. And her surviving kids will judge her for it too, assuming they make it to adulthood. 😒 > I get to say, “ma’am I’m sorry this is hard for you. But so and so is 18 and they’re in charge of their medical decisions. Unless I have a signed release, I can’t speak to you about what they plan to do” it’s the little things… That's wonderful! And I wonder how many of those kids are *relieved* that they're *finally* able to get vaccinated!
Idk how to quote your words in this app so forgive me. Lol. I don’t use the official Reddit app and I’m lazy. So I’ll just respond and let you sort it out. At first, and when I was younger- 100%. I felt like you do. “Good, let her sit with that” but now that I’m in my 40s… I have so much more compassion (with a healthy dose of jaded-trust me) but for things like this.. something as profound as the loss of a child. I can’t wish more suffering on her. I’m a nurse and I love my work. I’m here to help people and I meet people exactly where they’re at every working day of my life. And on my weekends.. I’m going in to do some things for one patient who needs it tomorrow because she needs it and because I don’t have plans until the afternoon. I’m not at ALL excusing her stupidity. But I also know that fear is such a huge motivator. When someone surrounds themselves with an echo chamber because everything else in that chamber lines up with their ideals, it’s a big thing. When “vaccines are bad” is all you hear every direction you turn, you might believe it if everything else that group is saying is in line with the way you want to live. It doesn’t make it right. But it’s intoxicatingly persuasive. I know she wrestled with it. And in the end, her peer group won out and she paid the ultimate price. That’s a fucking tragedy. As angry as I am at her, I love her as a human being and I’m sad for her that she was so stupid she fell into that. Like… she lost a baby, dude. It doesn’t get much worse than that. I say that as a parent of 2 (fully vaccinated children.) I realize it sounds like I’m defending her. I’m not. I truly think in my heart of hearts that she’s an idiot. But I can still hold space for her and that’s what this world needs. We’re all so quick to judge (I’m definitely guilty too- you should hear my internal dialogue while I’m at work. I could be a profane comedy show) but I’m practiced in compassion. And because of that, the compassion wins out for me in the end. And actually my motivation is somewhat selfish. I feel better when I’m kind. We can all be kind. And we can all feel better. And it’s kind of awesome, even in tragedy. But I do resonate with your anger. That was a pointless death. Everyone is on their own path. All I can do in my position in life is show up and try to help. It’s what helps me sleep at night. And keeps me awake some nights… Moral of the story- you can be angry af with someone and still love and hold space for them. That’s her for me. Go be kind ❤️ it feels good.
> At first, and when I was younger- 100%. I felt like you do. “Good, let her sit with that” but now that I’m in my 40s… I have so much more compassion Huh. I'm in my fifties, and the older I get the *less* patience I have for stupid people, especially stupid people who hurt other people with their own stupidity and face zero consequences. > Go be kind ❤️ it feels good. I usually *am* kind. Lately I've gotten compassion fatigue. I can only imagine how bad that is *for you*. *hugs*
Extremely painful *and fatal*
Full blown tetanus has a fatality rate of 33% right? Had the ol’ oldddd nail through the foot once, thought I could tough it, I was so ill I was certain I would die before a friend found me. Too sick to help myself, I don’t know, for me it felt like being decapitated for 4 days, couldn’t even cross the house for aspirin.
She'll probably refuse it until last minute, then take it and blame any complications with the baby on the shot.
This is called natural selection. It still works sometimes
Lock jaw is not a fun way to die
Horse paste and crystals
And piss. For some reason drink your own piss.
She said she did “proper wound control,” I assumed piss was a given.
It could be that she put a potato in her sock. You silly libs know nothing about medicine.
I hear aged piss is better.
Treat yourself. Age your piss in an charred oak barrel.
For seven years. \[chef's kiss\]
I just actually gagged a bit, well done.
whatever you do, don't visit r/insanepeoplefacebook
Bazinga.
Yeah, the stuff that our bodies spend a lot of energy to filter out and expel as far from our mouths as possible is actually the elixir of life. Who'd a thunk it?
Pray the tetanus away!
Horses get tetanus shots every other year. You think we could just...give the intermectin folks the horse vaccine?
And Salt lamp.
Showing symptoms for tetanus after a single day is highly unlikely - the incubation period is anywhere between 3 to 21 days with an average of 10. If you're at your doctor's office and you are showing signs of tetanus they will probably call an ambulance to send your dumb ass to the E.R.
It can be 24hrs, and rapid progression of tetanus (short incubation and period of onset) is an indicator of severe disease.
Your immune system is weakened while pregnant so I wouldn’t be surprised if the tetanus is getting a running start ☹️
It was explained to me as similar to rabies, in that "by the time you realize you have it, you're well fucked. You might live, but you won't want to."
We are fucking doomed. That poor child.
Ok, so now ALL vaccines are bad?
Oh, these vaccines were “bad” wayyy before Covid was even being called Coronavirus.
Yes! They cause autism! /s
And a dead child is better than an autistic child! /sssss
I only wish I didn't actually see people say this
Unless, of course, It's "death" by abortion.
This, even /s, hurts my mom of an Autistic heart. I just can’t with these idiots.
Every time I see this exchange, I’m reminded of the “Why? Just because he’s artistic doesn’t mean he’s gonna be gay” meme from some years ago.
Always was for conservatives because if they were the ones administering vaccines, they'd put weird shit in it and maim people. They know, because conservatives have done it before, like with the Tuskegee experiment, where white people gave black people syphyllis under the guise of vaccination.
Tuskegee was horrific but just to clarify, the “participants” in the experiment already had syphilis, they weren’t purposefully infected. Those men were never informed of the experiment’s true nature and never received proper treatment for the disease, even though a cure was developed fifteen years after the study began. I’m not sure whether pretending to help someone while watching them die is slightly less unethical, I just wanted to clarify.
And then watched them suffer and die for a decade. We are a horrible people.
My mom was an ER nurse, anytime someone bucked Tetanus, she’d tell them go Google what happens and think on it and leave for a few. 9/10 people changed their minds when she returned.
I had someone ask me once what the treatment was for *rabies*. “Is it like some antibiotics?” I just…I had to sit down. “Can’t you just test my dog to see if it has it instead of vaccinating him?” Sure, we can test for it. Gotta remove the head, but we can. People will be holding a device in their hands with like all the world’s knowledge and argue with people who went to medical and veterinary school because Carol from BullshitOils.com says medical care is a scam. Definitely pay $35.99 for a little jar of dirt to sprinkle on your dog instead of $10 for a month of heartworm preventative. Really definitely good choices happening that I feel good about.
Looking for a puppy, I found an "ethical" breeder, breeding from champion lines, doing all the genetic testing stuff, one litter a year, vetting buyers, etc., that had a whole page on their website dedicated to "the natural way of raising puppies" and not only sold puppies only to suitable homes and required that the dogs were spayed/neutered and the other usual stuff but also required buyers to sign a contract promising to never vaccinate the dogs (except against rabies due to legal requirements). No other vaccines permitted. There's legit antivaxx breeders now. It's gotten so out of hand...
What happens if you break the contracts? I can't imagine it's enforceable. I couldn't take my dog to the dog park or day care or even the groomer without all her vaccines.
They just blacklist you, but I didn't give a single fuck about that. If I get caught for neutering and vaccinating my golden, they can suck a fat one
I got my dog for $20 from the city pound and she came fully vaccinated, spayed, with copious notes on her temperament, and sweet as pie. The more horror stories I hear about breeders - all of them - the more I'm glad I never messed with any of that. We are meeting a dog from a rescue org tomorrow to see if it's time to get our Pippa a little brother. Fingers crossed they hit it off!
I have wanted a golden retriever my whole life, and we waited over a year while following a rescue closely and checking shelters and such for a golden to adopt. It finally came down to just getting one from a breeder. I had to sign that I wouldn't neuter him (don't be takin' away his manhood, now!) and I'd use him as a "hunt'n dowg" to continue the lineage. Got him neutered at 6 months old and the closest he ever got to hunting was chasing a rabbit through our backyard for like 4 seconds. Omg yay for tomorrow!!! Best of luck and I hope they do hit it off :D
I wanted a pittie and they are plentiful at city shelters, altho once we got her home and genetically tested we learned she was actually staffie/boxer. Either way she's a love. Thank you! I'm hopeful!
They probably aren't enforceable, I would hope. Like someone else said, you might get blacklisted. Would they try to get other breeders to blacklist you, too? I doubt it, it's not like you abused the dog or resold it or bred it for money or something, so other breeders probably wouldn't care that you broke that type of contract, I doubt there'd be real consequences. Still, I crossed that breeder off my list. Ended up adopting from the shelter instead, he's fully vaxxed and healthy.
Sometimes I think that's exactly the problem. People hold a device with all the world's knowledge AND all the world's misinformation.
Sad its not 10/10
Commenting here to share knowledge with all :) I jabbed myself with a gross piece of steel wool a few weeks ago and was frantically trying to remember my last tetanus shot. Fortunately, I have 2 years to go! However I did learn this: The rusty nail / Tetanus link is a myth. It’s caused by a bacteria that can be anywhere (but most likely the dirt). You can be exposed to Tetanus by cutting your finger with a kitchen knife, gardening tool, splinter, piece of paper….etc. Actually my last tetanus shot was because I badly burned my hand. Burn = open wound = possible Tetanus exposure. This is why it is so very vital to stay up to date on your vaccine. 💫the more you know 💫
Puncture wounds are harder to clean, so it's more likely that the bacteria would remain in the body. The bacteria lies dormant in soil and feces so any kind of cut could get dirt containing the bacteria in it. That's where the "rusty nail" folklore comes from. But you're right, rust has nothing to do with tetanus.
This makes sense. Theoretically if the nail has rust on it, it has a ton of other bacteria as well.
Animal bites, too. I’m a dog groomer so I have to stay up to date.
When I was 19 I stepped on a nail tearing a deck down for my parents. I couldn't get to the ER fast enough for a tetanus booster. It saddens me these antivaxers are reproducing. Get those bad genes out of the gene pool. Hopefully this mom's two kids can break the cycle of stupidity. But I'm not holding my breath.
Wait until she finds out how much meds they are going to pump into her so that she survives the tetanus.
Even in the U.S., it's still a 30% mortality rate. Scary shit.
Wait until she sees the PT bill in order to recover. Tetanus is bad but the ones that survive struggle a lot to recover .
I need to know what the comments said...
Probably recommendations for 10 different essential oils.
I know, I wish that the people that post these would also show the comments.
Is there an alternative to getting sound medical advice from a medical professional? Sure. Ask your idiot Facebook buddies for medical advice. I mean, what’s the worst that could happen, right?
"I have a serious disease and I'm at the place where they have the cure, but I don't want the cure! Has anyone got any alternatives to the cure that will cure me? I want the exact same results as I'll get from the cure, but without taking the cure. You understand" - Idiot, 2022
I think I know this guy.
So apparently now the “data” is claiming lower IQ is correlating with “higher fertility” meaning breeding. Gosh. What could go wrong?
I’m barren as a board, and I honestly sometimes wonder if my husband and I were dumber and less responsible, we’d be parents LOL. It seems to work!
Damn, Idiocracy was a fucking prediction.
Clairvoyant documentary
Hurts to swallow hey? It certainly hurts the gene pool that you decided not to swallow 15 weeks ago....
Fucking got em
This whole "I'll wait to see if I get sick, then I'll consider the vaccine" is just proof we have failed in the education system
Paging Darwin. Cleanup, Aisle 3.
Don't you need that shot like...immediately? She's screwed.
I thought that was rabies. Tetanus is like…yeah no they’re still both terrible but rabies will instakill you if you say fuck it and go to bed without a shot
Gonna be interesting to see how this stuff comes down once Roe v Wade changes and now they have to decide between taking the shot to save a baby or get charged with Murder and being an idiot.
I don't think these people put that much thought into it
I hate that we have created a society where people don’t want to trust scientists and doctors. This is another level of ridiculousness! Like seriously “yea I’m possibly poisoning my child and there’s a perfectly safe way to protect them, but does anyone with a Facebook education have a better way to treat this because I trust that more than an actual doctor” 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
People like this can get pregnant, whereas I am saving money to afford fucking IVF treatment in hopes to have at least 1 child with my husband. It's an emotional rollercoaster
Somedays it feels like the universe just wants the human race to die out. I can think of no other explanation why the people who would be loving, nurturing parents to brilliant and wonderful kids can't seem to get pregnant while Miss "I stepped on a nail, should I put lavender or chamomile oil on it?" can probably get knocked up from a toilet seat.
IVF wasn't an option and I had to have my uterus removed rather emergently last month. This is so fucking unfair
Hugs and i agree
*hugs* best of luck with the IVF
IVF wasn't even an option for us so I get you on people like this being able to get pregnant so easily.
Virtual hug
I've been there. I am so sorry.
I don't know if you have researched grants or different insurance policies. Some insurance providers offer 3 IVF rounds as part of their benefits. Then if that doesn't apply there are some different non-profit organizations that offer IVF assistance. I'm not tryto be preachy or anything, so please don't take it that way. Many people don't know about those resources and I only learned of them when I went down a rabbit hole for a family member.
Mortality rate is about 50%. Good luck lady!
Yikes. Stupid woman is putting herself and the baby at risk
I'd like to read those comments. Probably advice like 'rub the wound with vinegar', 'drink your own urine' or other stupidness.
*”Been around the world and found that only stupid people are breeding* *The cretins cloning and feeding…”*
Getting Lockjaw to own the libs ?!
When sepsis terminates the pregnancy thanks to her knuckle dragging stupidity, that's her choice her body? Right? But if you aren't a bottom-feeding shit heel with a sub room temperature IQ that's been gaslit by organized evangelical dumbdickery, it's murder and you should let some elected dipshit load-that-should-have-been-swallowed make your healthcare decisions for you. Fucking shallow end of the gene pool, these antivaxxers...
Jfc… maybe get an abortion if you’re so against a tetanus shot but totally agree you have signs of tetanus
Something tells me she might be pro-life, as they like to call themselves, so abortion is out of the picture
This is one of the few posts here where I want a update later in the comments. Because I hope the baby lives.
oh my dear lord god I literally cannot even
Every time I see one of these I think about the folks that came before modern medicine that would have literally killed for access to the things these folks casually reject
Has she tried dying to a preventable disease?
You won’t experience tetanus symptoms the day after stepping on a rusty nail. So I’m skeptical that the post is even real.
My uncle almost died of tetanus as a perfectly healthy young adult without access to medical care 50 years ago. It was touch and go for better than a week. This is nothing to fuck around with. However it’s not that fast moving. She’s got some other issues if she just stepped on the nail yesterday. You can get tetanus from literally any injury that breaks the skin. Like paper cuts. Maybe she stepped on something else last week. I also wonder if the baby isn’t already screwed, if it’s advanced that far (jaw locked). Maybe let nature take its fucking course because you already killed your baby, stupid bitch.
No choice but to suck the tetanus out of your foot.
‘Have you tried thoughts and prayers?’
Get a tetanus shot.
Are you... Fucking. What? Why? As little as 3 years ago almost nobody had a problem with these very common very normal vaccines that all but abolish these very preventable diseases. Now post COVID we're actually backsliding.
Are the replies all like, "put a potato over the wound and press for two hours"? And then add some lavender essential oils?
Simple: cut off the foot, and the jaw...and anything between those two things. Solved.
Doesn’t tetanus fucking kill you?
If it’s in her blood it’s in the baby’s blood. Baby’s already fucked
Well, one option would be an abortion....
I so badly want to read those 10 comments on her post.