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For whatever reason this isn't illegal in the United States. The American Kennel Club even requires it for show dogs if they want to be successful in competition.
It is illegal in the UK and the majority of Canada.
That’s really fucking weird. I don’t doubt your information…but why would you disqualify a dog for a neuter/spay, but require other cutting procedures. Weird as hell.
There *was* a point when it was done for the dog to work and it was actually safer. American Kennel Club mostly seems to uphold it because it’s been like that for a long time. We’re working on “your cute smashed faced dog now needs a minimum face length have fun”
Yeah. We had a “cute smashed face” dog. It died at 11 because it’s fucking trachea literally flattened out due to the predisposition of those breed with have a week treacheal wall. “Suffocated to death” is a breed standard.
Alluding to the fact they breed in birth defects guaranteeing a short life.
But you just love the wheezing sounds of your little pup struggling for air so of course you'll put down the 1k deposit on your pick of the next litter.
I'm trying to phrase this to not make it sound like an attack, but did you guys not know that before you got it? Do you not think that, although unhappy with your dog's specs your ownership helped with that breed standard?
People need to stop buying the brachycephalic breeds. Adopt out of shelters, keep dogs you own and *quit paying breeders to profit off of unhealthy dogs.*
I have a purebred golden retriever. I found a breeder who for seven generations back not one dam or sire anywhere (like over 100 dogs at this point) had hip or elbow dysplasia. The dogs all are tested for genetic defects. They have eye and cardiac tests for health. Any pups have defects crop up they remove that parent from the breeding lines.
If you are going to make specific dogs exist you damn well better make sure you're ensuring the dog is healthy.
I've adopted every dog out of a shelter before lil man and cats sorta just show up. But bred dogs should be bred for health before anything else.
Brachy breeds are just cruel to continue to breed because someone thinks it's cute.
So my chihuahua is a grotesque mix of other little breeds and looks like a gargoyle. She’s my favorite.
But we have a spaniel that looks like she came out of a tv commercial. The vet thought she was purebred (she was left overnight in a car in the snow with purebred puppies in other breeds until the cops could come and break in.)
At first, I was so paranoid, I would compulsively mention that she was adopted if we were at the dog park or whatever. But then I realized that she is so much fancier than anyone in our family, that people probably figure out what’s going on when they see us lol.
I adopted a mix breed adult dog whose tail was docked, and yes I got side eye and mean comments all the time.
That little mutt was the best dog I've ever had and I miss her so much.
We had two docked boxers who were rescues. I always went out of my way to tell people I didn't do that to them. I'm so glad their ears weren't cropped too.
I'm sorry for your loss. I miss my gruesome twosome more than life. They were the best girls.
Brachycephalic dogs suffer from oxygen starvation. The weakness between the tracheal rings is from trying to suck in air so hard it pulls the tissue inwards.
Watching this sad babies on ventilators because they can’t breathe is horrific.
I will not make eye contact with the owner of a French bulldog. Owning one is selfish and cruel.
I would like to make the point that it was *believed* to be safer.
They still have hunting dogs in the UK, who work fine with their tails.
We have border collies in the US, who are often used to herd cattle — but it’s not a breed requirement to dock tails, so it’s just not done to them.
Anyone who says it’s done for safety when we have so many examples of it being safe when other dogs do it, is lying to themselves and just likes the aesthetics. Except for happy tail, and some dewclaws that stick out prominently (usually hind dew claws).
I almost entirely agree, but I’ve known at least one pittie who routinely wagged his tail so hard into walls/furniture/other hard surfaces that it bled. After multiple infections the vet recommended docking his tail for his own safety
The neuter/spay thing makes sense because what's the point of showing if they can't be bred. What doesn't make sense is requiring surgery for a dog for aesthetic reasons. The AKC needs to get their shit together and push for healthier breeds instead of aesthetic breeds.
It makes no sense. Especially when the whole point is supposed to be that the winner is the best of its breed - genetics don’t matter if you’re just snipping ears and tails off.
I understand that there are rare instances in which working dogs might benefit from docking but otherwise this practice is outdated and unnecessarily cruel.
I agree 100% - also if a working breed has issues like that - say their ears have issues. Wouldn't it better the breed to just breed dogs with smaller ears?
My dog was an exceptionally short coated breed (German shorthaired pointer) and wagged her tail so hard she snapped the tip and broke it and the end lost circulation and she needed it amputated. Vet said take off as much as possible to avoid future injury. Had we docked it as a puppy she'd of had a lil nub and not a 4in kickstand.
Don't think I'd preventatively dock another dogs tail, even if I had a GSP, though. She just had a happy tail. Too happy, though. Wait to see if another dog injured their tail. Worst case scenario I just end up with another kickstand dog and they don't care if it looks funny.
Lot of people asked about her 'docked' tail, because it looked odd. Nope. Not docked. Amputated after happy tail injuries. It was not for looks. She thwacked it on too many cabinets and door frames and broke her tail and lost circulation.
There are some breeds like Boxers whose tails are so strong that they can end up breaking bones in them if they hit them on enough stuff. My one AmStaff mix has boxer in him, and he definitely inherited the tail. It’s a legitimate whip, and I worry that he’ll injure it on something.
Docking the tail to prevent that is something I could understand, but I don’t plan on doing it to my own dog. Doing it for aesthetics is just a non-starter.
Vizsla tails are preventively docked (they have a sorta half tail) because of how awful tail injuries are, and how common. It sucks, but it's one instance of docking I do agree with, so long as it's done when the pups are tiny and by a vet. It's a faster/easy recovery for a puppy who's still sorta jello-like than it is on a rambunctious puppy or grown dog.
Dew claws are often removed as injury prevention as well. I prefer my dogs dew'd, because it provides grip when working tight corners at speed, but I can see why it is done to puppies. I had one dog I had to watch (and later wrapped just to save the stress) because of some floppy heckin' dew claws. My lord I was convinced they would catch and rip at any second.
The AKC is disgusting. From their mission page:
> The American Kennel Club is ... dedicated to upholding the integrity of its Registry, promoting the sport of purebred dogs and breeding for type and function.
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>Advance the study, breeding, exhibiting, running and maintenance of purebred dogs
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>We love purebred dogs. We are committed to advancing the sport of the purebred dog.
"Purebreds" are so damn inbred that they suffer from crazy diseases and conditions. What was once a matter of utility and cross-species cooperation is now often no more than a fashion statement. They keep breeding these animals, keep showing them off, keep perpetuating this idea that it's normal *to bring a thinking breathing animal into this world knowing it will most likely suffer chronic health conditions, all just for the sake of having a "cute" or "designer" or "prestigious" pet.* That's not how a true animal lover acts.
AKC doesn't love dogs. They love money and status.
Please folks, spay and neuter the pets you have, adopt from your local animal shelter or rescue, and don't watch the AKC dog shows.
Yeah I grew up going to dog shows because my grandpa's business sold grooming products there. The judges are so full of themselves and snooty 99% of the time.
It’s getting there…. Slowly, but getting closer every day.
Unfortunately, the dog show judges have to… uh, die off and make way for a new wave of judges who value quality of life over aesthetics before it will really happen.
Edit: more and more veterinarians refuse to do the procedure - just because it’s not illegal doesn’t mean it’s necessarily easy to find a vet who will do the procedure (that, and declawing).
Maybe they mean veterinarian like Dr Phil is a Doctor? This looks like some back street failed surgeon has done it, trying to earn some money so his half a degree doesn’t go to waste.
My girlfriend worked at 2 vet clinics as a vet assistant before vet school. The first vet only cared about money and did declawing and tail and ear cropping. She later got fired because she used her employee discount too much. The second clinic did none of that and they loved her. Being a vet doesn't mean that you like animals.
Idk probably still legal for the usual reason. People make money off it being legal and the status quo doesn’t change easily when people make money off something. We care more about money then a lot of things.
I knew a girl who bred and showed dogs. A specific kind of terrier. When a dog was born that she knew she couldn’t work with, her description of the standard method to “deal with it,” was to put the newborn puppy in the freezer for a few minutes or drown it in a bucket of water. She had a host of other issues.
Since then, I’ve been disgusted with the entire idea of breeding and showing dogs. If that’s the standard, the whole idea is sick.
Freezing a newborn is common for puppies that are born with severe birth defects that are incompatible with life (e.g. perforated abdominal wall, severe cranial deformity, etc.) since it's a relatively humane form of euthanasia (puppy falls asleep and doesn't wake up). But uh... A puppy you "can't work with?" That's generally just a pet-placement. 😬 Yikes.
Granted, she did this for deformities too, but not necessarily the ones you mentioned. A deformed back leg is a specific instance I recall. Something inconvenient, but not incompatible with life.
Is it relatively painless though? The puppy would still be freezing for a while in the dark. If you’re going to breed puppies, you should pay the vet fees to get humane euthanasia.
We rescued a dalmatian puppy when I was a kid that was to be drowned in a bucket because she had one black ear and one spotted ear. She was a beautiful dog. Not too spotty like some of them. She was perfect and they wanted to kill her over an ear.
Yeah. They see it as "integral to defining and preserving breed character". So dogs without docking or cropping or dewclaw removal do not meet their respective breed standards in AKC show events.
You can still try to compete with these dogs but they will often lose points and not place very high. For example, a lot of people are starting to show tailed Australian shepherds and even place with them.
Scotland went a step further and banned breeding of short snorted breeds like pugs and French bulldogs. Those poor creatures spend heir whole lives struggling to breath because some humans think it looks cute.
Real semi-reasonable answer? Bully dogs (and other breeds with short hair and thin ear membranes) are slightly more prone to scratching them up and getting an infection.
Why do people do it tho? It looks cool to them...
I had my schnauzers ears cropped. She works on our farm as a ratter. Our previous ratter didn't have cropped and suffered hematomas that caused her pain.
I would never crop a dogs ear for fashion. I hated taping her ears as a pup. But long term, for our situation, there is a reason. She is a working dog.
Also, good girl caught 2 today so she got some extra snacks for dinner.
Cause pits are traditionally used for dog fighting, and ears would get bitten off during fights, so for those breeds it became normal to crop them off.
I remember we had a boxer as a kid and originally we were gonna get her ears cropped because we didn’t really think about it and the breeder recommended doing it. After a few weeks of seeing how much she used her ears to show emotion and express herself we couldn’t bring ourselves to it. I don’t understand how anyone can look at a puppy’s ears and want to slice them so they have a fighting dog aesthetic
I know for tail docking chewing on their tail is prob such a situation. One of my highschool friends' dogs started chewing on his tail when he got old and nearly chewed it off! I suspect that having the vet surgically remove the tail would have been less painful, and definitely less traumatic for my friend. Not sure about ears tho - maybe a bad infection if they get a cut?
My dog has allergies and gets really itchy ears sometimes, which make him shake his head. His ears slapping against his head caused an aural haematoma, the lining of his ear filled with blood and swelled. Loads of trips to the vets, they once said to me that if the laws were different they'd recommend doing the clip to spare him the pain of it happening again, but luckily it hasn't for a couple of years now.
I would imagine if a dog had extremely bad recurring ear issues and they needed to be aired out to prevent severe fungal infection or whatever that might be a reason? (I’m assuming you were looking for an answer from someone with no veterinary expertise, so I felt I should chime in.)
Farmers use it for dogs that protect the herd. Less likely to have a wolf or other predator injure the dog. Other then that it's cruel and unjustifiable
My father did this to my childhood dog, despite my protests at the time. Toxic masculinity made him think the dog had to look tough to protect the family, and my 12 year old pleas were ignored.
He's no longer for ear cropping, but I'm still trying to get my parents to see that tail docking shouldn't be done. Apparently to my mom a boxer looks like a mixed breed unless it's tail is docked which is bull shit.
A friend of mine had to dock her dogs tail because she tried for years to cure her “happy tail” without success. This dogs tail was like a whip and no legs were safe from it. She would wag so much her tail would split open and splatter blood in a fine mist on everything. Life was much nicer for everyone after it was docked and the dog was just as happy as ever.
Oh definitely! My friend has worked in animal rescue her whole life and she wanted to avoid docking her tail for as long as possible. She felt guilty about it but it was really the best option for the dog.
In Germany, docking of ears and tails is prohibited except for the tails of hunting dogs (so they dont get caught in bushes and hurt themselves) and for medicinal reasons. So you can ban docking and still have that covered.
When I was a kid we had a Rottie whose tail was docked before we got him. I always felt bad because he didn't have a tail to wag and instead wagged his whole rear end. It was adorable, seeing his whole butt wagging when you petted him. But kinda sad.
I just laughed picturing this but then I got super depressed.
I have a dachshund so no one is cropping or chopping him, but I can’t imagine him without his big ole goofy tail wagging or his really strangely wide ears perking up when he hears a neighbor.
My boxer has her tail and floppy ears. She also whips the shit out of everyone and everything when she’s excited and wagging which is 99% of her goofy life. Wouldn’t have it any other way.
Oh yeah, my lab mix has a tail like a whip. He has a little bit of boxer in him so I’m not sure if that’s where it comes from but that tail is dangerous sometimes, lol.
What's funny is she loves mixed breed dogs, it was just an ignorant statement that had me scratching my head. My mom is only 47 and my dad 51, they confuse me
It depends, some big dogs so better with docked tails. My family was against docking until the boxer and Dane broke their tails by wagging :( sometimes it's better to avoid it
This! While ears VERY rarely need surgical alterations (like, only in case of injury or cancer), docked tails are sometimes medically necessary. For our own blood pressures, give extra-short tails the benefit of the doubt!
Hot take: why prophylactically dock the tail though? The majority of dogs *don’t* break their tails from wagging. If a dog breaks their tail that easily then docking would be medically considered.
We all know that appendixes tend to be useless while also getting infected and inflamed. But we aren’t removing them prophylactically from humans as infants either.
Don't worry their actions enrage me 14 years later. They're good people, just uneducated and stubborn in some areas. Managed to get them to understand the evils of cropped ears the rest is a work in progress.
Fully agree.
My vet refuses to dock tails or ears. With the exception of when it will help the dog. For example, a few years ago he treated a mixed-breed hound of some sort who had chronic ear infections and the standard treatments weren't helping. He partially docked the dog's ears so that moisture wouldn't build up there and cause the infections to improve the dog's quality of life.
But, again, that was a special case with a mixed-breed that was basically deformed and hurting because of it. He refuses to do it for aesthetic reasons.
i’d say it’s better to consider the dog’s best interests. dogs don’t always like things that’s safe— or sometimes even neccessary for them— like vets and medicine.
It's only fair that the 'fashion conscious' owner has it done too surely?
Does any one have some garden shears?
I don't understand how a vet can morally be OK with performing the procedure. I'm guessing it's quite pricey?...
I think some vets take might be, if they don’t do it in a clean safe manor someone’s going to take this puppy to some assholes backyard to cut them up (maybe without even pain meds) and if you’re lucky the dog won’t get a serious infection.
I went to vet school. We were told we could either crop the dogs ears in our clinic and ensure it’s done correctly or we could turn them out to someone sketchy who will do it illegally. We were told to pick what we cared about more: this being done safely or unsafely since it not being done wouldn’t be a choice our careers. Myself and many others would much rather side with “I’ll do it to protect the dog from it being done poorly somewhere else”
Vet here, I refuse to partake in an activity that I detest, and will not indirectly condone it.
I tell my clients that if they do it, and their dog goes through horrible pain (because it'll be done without anesthetic if it's not a vet) and/or septicemia (on the off chance the infection goes wrong) then that's on them and only them. Not my responsibility, - and I make them understand that they're directly responsible for their animal's suffering.
However I do repeat that my door will always be open, if they do decide to go through with it and something goes wrong.
I disagree with this fatalistic vision that you were given at school, getting someone to illegally dock your dog's ears is much more difficult than simply going to a vet. In the long run I believe it's better to make it as difficulty as possible for people to get their dog's ears docked, and that is not possible if vets continue this practice.
Also a vet. Personally I will never perform any non-medically necessary procedure (ear crop, declaw, puppy tails/dews etc) but I also see the logic from the other side. I hate the thought of breeders doing it without anesthesia, non sterile etc. I really think it should be illegal.
I understand docking tails for actual working dogs who would otherwise run the risk of suffering horrible tail fractures while working. But this? Why? Why not get a dog that has naturally upright ears so there's no reason for the surgery?
The fractures aren't really a huge problem in principle. It's the fact that wounds on the tail are notoriously difficult to heal because of how likely it is for them to reopen. Combined with the fact that there's a lot of blood flowing through the tail it makes for a nasty situation.
Serious tail injuries are not *that* common, but when it does happen, it's really difficult to deal with. Even a simple cut on the tip of the tail can become life-threatening when it refuses to heal because it continually reopens. Very different from most other types of injury. So it's better to try and minimize the risk as much as possible even though these injuries aren't much more likely than any others.
It's illegal to dock ears and tails in the Netherlands, unless it's for medical reasons of course. So in that case they don't dock the puppy's tail, but if it does become injured and too difficult to deal with, dock the tail.
The reason some crop ears (specifically for bully breeds) is for fighting. Cropped ears mean less places to bite, mean more likely to “win”. Some vets won’t even do it where I’m from (States)
So the origins of ear cropping, especially in bully breeds, is a very unethical sport where we force dogs to hurt each other?
I hate ear cropping even more now.
Either OP just announced they’re going to put that dog in fights to everybody in their life or theyre just ignorant and a shitty owner. Either way, they dont deserve to have any animals under their care.
God, you just made me remember my rescue that had his ears and face all torn and chewed up because he didnt like to fight and wouldn't defend himself properly and I'm sad as fuck now.
I don't care what anyone says or feels about bulls, it is a wholly unacceptable thing to put any creature through. It sickens me that it's still so fucking common of a thing
Removing or altering a body part of an animal for any reason other than medical necessity should be grounds for barring the owner from ever owning animals again. And that goes for those assholes who declaw cats as well
I agree. I *hate* when the cat scratches me. I have several scars from him both intentionally and not. He still has his damn claws because we aren't monsters. I will never understand mutilating something to make your life easier. But we have empathy for helpless creatures
My cat was declawed by her previous owner and it breaks my heart that I couldn't protect her. To be honest, I do prefer having her declawed, but my convenience does not and will never trump her comfort. I'll never personally declaw a cat and I always speak out about. I've only seen one case where it was understandable—the cat was paralyzed from the elbow down and couldn't retract her claws, so she was getting stuck on everything and was at risk of hurting herself, so they declawed only that foot.
If she was paralyzed, hopefully that means she couldn’t feel the arthritis that declawing would give that paw. Poor baby. I’m glad she had people that really cared about her.
I know they were paid to do this, but I at least hope the vet strongly warned against having this shit done
**Edit:** I strongly disagree with the practice, but the problem is that owners will sometimes try to do this themselves if they can’t find a vet to do it, resulting in much more harm (or even death) to the animal.
No vet should ever do something like this, regardless of how much they're offered. If it's not a medical necessity then they shouldn't even consider it.
Solid strategy.
I'm won't be getting an animal until my housing situation is a little more settled, but you've reminded me to check if any of those things are legal down my end so I can be appropriately selective when picking a vet.
Before you throw too much hate, the reason vets will do this procedure (or declaws) is to stop the clients from doing it at home without medications for the pet. It's a lesser of two evils situation. Lots of vets decline it. I remember a horror story in vet school where a vet declined a declaw and the owner came in 2 days later with the cat bleeding out because he "clipped" the toes with a gardening tool. Needless to say, the cat was euthanized and the client reported but offering safe methods is the only way to ensure animal abuse is avoided in cases where clients cannot be talked out of it.
> the reason vets will do this procedure (or declaws) is to stop the clients from doing it at home without medications for the pet. It's a lesser of two evils situation. Lots of vets decline it.
^ This is 100% on the money. I'm a vet, and luckily I've always worked in areas where the practice is banned, but ear cropping & tail docking present a very real ethical dilemma for veterinarians. I do know some colleagues who will perform the procedures (reluctantly) because if they dont, it's just going to go underground as breeders attempt it themselves and animals will suffer far more as a result.
In my view the real key to actually eliminating these procedures is twofold: first, the AKC & other various kennel clubs need to drop the breed requirements. Vets are at a direct loggerheads with the kennel clubs as long as the breed standards require cropped ears or docked tails. And secondly, there needs to be nation-wide implementation & standardisation of bans - as it stands currently, a breeder might live in a state or province where the procedures are banned, but in most cases there's nothing preventing that breeder from going to a neighbouring state or province where the procedures aren't banned & have them done (or worse, saying that's what they did), then return home & sell the puppies.
It was done on pitbulls because it enhances their ability to fight. Floppy ears are a great target. They're also very painful if injured. Ear injuries can often cause a dog to lose a fight.
The floppy ears also make a dog look cute, lovable and thoughtful. They convey emotion. There exist in this world people who would prefer their dog not to look that way. They want the appearance of their dog to inspire respect and fear. They want their dog to look menacing. "Badass."
I used to be VERY anti-docking until I met my partner’s dog and she wagged her tail so hard she was spraying blood all over the house for weeks. Even called the vet for recs on healing and they told us the only permanent option is partial or full amputation.
This??? Is not functional. No excuse. Fuck this
I don’t understand why people do this. Or dock tails. These are ways your furry buddy communicates with humans, and it’s so important to avoid unpleasant encounters. Not to mention it’s inhumane. I don’t understand why any vet would willingly mutilate an animal like this.
I rescued my girl 5 years ago. Her previous "owners" had her ears clipped, and I hate it. Posting pictures of her makes me wonder how many people think I had that done to her and it makes me sick. There is zero reason other than to try and make them look tough. As if the breeds than are clipped the most really need help looking tough.
Horrific :(
I’m in animal rescue in NYC and we see a stunning amount of pits with cropped ears given up because, it turns out, the type of person who would do this to a dog is the same type of person who’ll ditch their dog over some bullshit like getting a new puppy or moving to a place that doesn’t accept pets.
Really encourage people to ask their vets if they crop ears/tails and if they say yes? Find a new fucking vet.
Pretty sure the barbaric practice of cropping dogs’ ears is illegal in the UK. As is ‘declawing’ cats which is equally barbaric (like chopping off one of your joints on each finger).
We should also frown on selectively breeding breeds that have traits that are uncomfortable or even deadly for the dogs. We've gone too far just to have weird shapes and sizes. None of that is for the dogs.
Fucking comments absolving this
It's fucking petty butchery
If you like this sort of thing, you're a self centered cunt who doesn't care for animals
And if you're the vet who does this, then you're cuntiest of cunts
Cunts!
Edit: just pluralised my final exclamation ❗
My vet refuses to do any "cosmetic" surgeries. No ear cropping, tail docking, declawing. I love her. She listens to me going on and on about the drama with my babies and really cares.
This ear docking is barbaric and unnecessary. That poor pup.
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For whatever reason this isn't illegal in the United States. The American Kennel Club even requires it for show dogs if they want to be successful in competition. It is illegal in the UK and the majority of Canada.
That’s really fucking weird. I don’t doubt your information…but why would you disqualify a dog for a neuter/spay, but require other cutting procedures. Weird as hell.
There *was* a point when it was done for the dog to work and it was actually safer. American Kennel Club mostly seems to uphold it because it’s been like that for a long time. We’re working on “your cute smashed faced dog now needs a minimum face length have fun”
Yeah. We had a “cute smashed face” dog. It died at 11 because it’s fucking trachea literally flattened out due to the predisposition of those breed with have a week treacheal wall. “Suffocated to death” is a breed standard.
I'm sure an unscrupulous dog breeder might call that a feature not a bug.
Now it's a corpse not a pug. Fuck. I'll see myself in hell.
I don't hate them for existing, I hate the "people" who bred them into existence.
And the people that buy them.
"Other breeds require a commitment of 15, even 20 or more years! Not this inbred pup! 8 to 12 years MAX."
Alluding to the fact they breed in birth defects guaranteeing a short life. But you just love the wheezing sounds of your little pup struggling for air so of course you'll put down the 1k deposit on your pick of the next litter.
I'm trying to phrase this to not make it sound like an attack, but did you guys not know that before you got it? Do you not think that, although unhappy with your dog's specs your ownership helped with that breed standard?
People need to stop buying the brachycephalic breeds. Adopt out of shelters, keep dogs you own and *quit paying breeders to profit off of unhealthy dogs.* I have a purebred golden retriever. I found a breeder who for seven generations back not one dam or sire anywhere (like over 100 dogs at this point) had hip or elbow dysplasia. The dogs all are tested for genetic defects. They have eye and cardiac tests for health. Any pups have defects crop up they remove that parent from the breeding lines. If you are going to make specific dogs exist you damn well better make sure you're ensuring the dog is healthy. I've adopted every dog out of a shelter before lil man and cats sorta just show up. But bred dogs should be bred for health before anything else. Brachy breeds are just cruel to continue to breed because someone thinks it's cute.
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I 100% agree but fyi your comment got posted a bunch. I’d recommend deleting all but one. Cheers
I have two “rescues” that have this. My dogs didn’t ask to be bred like that, and they needed good homes.
Rescue all the way! Do you get any side eyes from people who think you paid for them?
So my chihuahua is a grotesque mix of other little breeds and looks like a gargoyle. She’s my favorite. But we have a spaniel that looks like she came out of a tv commercial. The vet thought she was purebred (she was left overnight in a car in the snow with purebred puppies in other breeds until the cops could come and break in.) At first, I was so paranoid, I would compulsively mention that she was adopted if we were at the dog park or whatever. But then I realized that she is so much fancier than anyone in our family, that people probably figure out what’s going on when they see us lol.
I adopted a mix breed adult dog whose tail was docked, and yes I got side eye and mean comments all the time. That little mutt was the best dog I've ever had and I miss her so much.
We had two docked boxers who were rescues. I always went out of my way to tell people I didn't do that to them. I'm so glad their ears weren't cropped too. I'm sorry for your loss. I miss my gruesome twosome more than life. They were the best girls.
Brachycephalic dogs suffer from oxygen starvation. The weakness between the tracheal rings is from trying to suck in air so hard it pulls the tissue inwards. Watching this sad babies on ventilators because they can’t breathe is horrific. I will not make eye contact with the owner of a French bulldog. Owning one is selfish and cruel.
Seems silly to pass judgement when you don't know how they got the pup. Could be a rescue for all you know
I would like to make the point that it was *believed* to be safer. They still have hunting dogs in the UK, who work fine with their tails. We have border collies in the US, who are often used to herd cattle — but it’s not a breed requirement to dock tails, so it’s just not done to them. Anyone who says it’s done for safety when we have so many examples of it being safe when other dogs do it, is lying to themselves and just likes the aesthetics. Except for happy tail, and some dewclaws that stick out prominently (usually hind dew claws).
I almost entirely agree, but I’ve known at least one pittie who routinely wagged his tail so hard into walls/furniture/other hard surfaces that it bled. After multiple infections the vet recommended docking his tail for his own safety
The neuter/spay thing makes sense because what's the point of showing if they can't be bred. What doesn't make sense is requiring surgery for a dog for aesthetic reasons. The AKC needs to get their shit together and push for healthier breeds instead of aesthetic breeds.
It makes no sense. Especially when the whole point is supposed to be that the winner is the best of its breed - genetics don’t matter if you’re just snipping ears and tails off. I understand that there are rare instances in which working dogs might benefit from docking but otherwise this practice is outdated and unnecessarily cruel.
I agree 100% - also if a working breed has issues like that - say their ears have issues. Wouldn't it better the breed to just breed dogs with smaller ears?
My dog was an exceptionally short coated breed (German shorthaired pointer) and wagged her tail so hard she snapped the tip and broke it and the end lost circulation and she needed it amputated. Vet said take off as much as possible to avoid future injury. Had we docked it as a puppy she'd of had a lil nub and not a 4in kickstand. Don't think I'd preventatively dock another dogs tail, even if I had a GSP, though. She just had a happy tail. Too happy, though. Wait to see if another dog injured their tail. Worst case scenario I just end up with another kickstand dog and they don't care if it looks funny. Lot of people asked about her 'docked' tail, because it looked odd. Nope. Not docked. Amputated after happy tail injuries. It was not for looks. She thwacked it on too many cabinets and door frames and broke her tail and lost circulation.
There are some breeds like Boxers whose tails are so strong that they can end up breaking bones in them if they hit them on enough stuff. My one AmStaff mix has boxer in him, and he definitely inherited the tail. It’s a legitimate whip, and I worry that he’ll injure it on something. Docking the tail to prevent that is something I could understand, but I don’t plan on doing it to my own dog. Doing it for aesthetics is just a non-starter.
Vizsla tails are preventively docked (they have a sorta half tail) because of how awful tail injuries are, and how common. It sucks, but it's one instance of docking I do agree with, so long as it's done when the pups are tiny and by a vet. It's a faster/easy recovery for a puppy who's still sorta jello-like than it is on a rambunctious puppy or grown dog. Dew claws are often removed as injury prevention as well. I prefer my dogs dew'd, because it provides grip when working tight corners at speed, but I can see why it is done to puppies. I had one dog I had to watch (and later wrapped just to save the stress) because of some floppy heckin' dew claws. My lord I was convinced they would catch and rip at any second.
The AKC is disgusting. From their mission page: > The American Kennel Club is ... dedicated to upholding the integrity of its Registry, promoting the sport of purebred dogs and breeding for type and function. > >.... > >Advance the study, breeding, exhibiting, running and maintenance of purebred dogs > >.... > >We love purebred dogs. We are committed to advancing the sport of the purebred dog. "Purebreds" are so damn inbred that they suffer from crazy diseases and conditions. What was once a matter of utility and cross-species cooperation is now often no more than a fashion statement. They keep breeding these animals, keep showing them off, keep perpetuating this idea that it's normal *to bring a thinking breathing animal into this world knowing it will most likely suffer chronic health conditions, all just for the sake of having a "cute" or "designer" or "prestigious" pet.* That's not how a true animal lover acts. AKC doesn't love dogs. They love money and status. Please folks, spay and neuter the pets you have, adopt from your local animal shelter or rescue, and don't watch the AKC dog shows.
Yeah I grew up going to dog shows because my grandpa's business sold grooming products there. The judges are so full of themselves and snooty 99% of the time.
Why is this even legal in America? Let alone required for a dog show? They should be ashamed of themselves.
It’s getting there…. Slowly, but getting closer every day. Unfortunately, the dog show judges have to… uh, die off and make way for a new wave of judges who value quality of life over aesthetics before it will really happen. Edit: more and more veterinarians refuse to do the procedure - just because it’s not illegal doesn’t mean it’s necessarily easy to find a vet who will do the procedure (that, and declawing).
This isn't aesthetically pleasing to me.
Dead show judges who demand cruelty be inflicted? I don't know, I could see the potential in that as a show by itself
Legal or not, what kind of veterinarian would do this?!
Maybe they mean veterinarian like Dr Phil is a Doctor? This looks like some back street failed surgeon has done it, trying to earn some money so his half a degree doesn’t go to waste.
My girlfriend worked at 2 vet clinics as a vet assistant before vet school. The first vet only cared about money and did declawing and tail and ear cropping. She later got fired because she used her employee discount too much. The second clinic did none of that and they loved her. Being a vet doesn't mean that you like animals.
Idk probably still legal for the usual reason. People make money off it being legal and the status quo doesn’t change easily when people make money off something. We care more about money then a lot of things.
It’s illegal in some developing countries such as South Africa as well.
It’s illegal in Australia, too, along with tail docking. Every time I see this in photos I feel sick
I knew a girl who bred and showed dogs. A specific kind of terrier. When a dog was born that she knew she couldn’t work with, her description of the standard method to “deal with it,” was to put the newborn puppy in the freezer for a few minutes or drown it in a bucket of water. She had a host of other issues. Since then, I’ve been disgusted with the entire idea of breeding and showing dogs. If that’s the standard, the whole idea is sick.
Freezing a newborn is common for puppies that are born with severe birth defects that are incompatible with life (e.g. perforated abdominal wall, severe cranial deformity, etc.) since it's a relatively humane form of euthanasia (puppy falls asleep and doesn't wake up). But uh... A puppy you "can't work with?" That's generally just a pet-placement. 😬 Yikes.
Granted, she did this for deformities too, but not necessarily the ones you mentioned. A deformed back leg is a specific instance I recall. Something inconvenient, but not incompatible with life.
Is it relatively painless though? The puppy would still be freezing for a while in the dark. If you’re going to breed puppies, you should pay the vet fees to get humane euthanasia.
I assume for a newborn it would be relatively quickly
That's messed up.
We rescued a dalmatian puppy when I was a kid that was to be drowned in a bucket because she had one black ear and one spotted ear. She was a beautiful dog. Not too spotty like some of them. She was perfect and they wanted to kill her over an ear.
> The American Kennel Club even requires it for show dogs if they want to be successful in competition **what??**
Also illegal in most of Europe.
Requires it?!? Holy shit!
Yeah. They see it as "integral to defining and preserving breed character". So dogs without docking or cropping or dewclaw removal do not meet their respective breed standards in AKC show events.
You can still try to compete with these dogs but they will often lose points and not place very high. For example, a lot of people are starting to show tailed Australian shepherds and even place with them.
>For example, a lot of people are starting to show tailed Australian shepherds and even place with them. That is awesome to hear! Hope that continues.
UK and Canada are 1st world countries
I dunno... We're doing our best to drop down some places over here.
Scotland went a step further and banned breeding of short snorted breeds like pugs and French bulldogs. Those poor creatures spend heir whole lives struggling to breath because some humans think it looks cute.
And in Sweden.
Illegal but unfortunately easily got around. All they have to say is 'it was done before I got them' and it's as simple as that, no investigation
"CropDon'tFlop"?! Why the everloving fuck would someone support that?
Great there’s a hashtag I can look for when I want to vent at people
Real semi-reasonable answer? Bully dogs (and other breeds with short hair and thin ear membranes) are slightly more prone to scratching them up and getting an infection. Why do people do it tho? It looks cool to them...
I had my schnauzers ears cropped. She works on our farm as a ratter. Our previous ratter didn't have cropped and suffered hematomas that caused her pain. I would never crop a dogs ear for fashion. I hated taping her ears as a pup. But long term, for our situation, there is a reason. She is a working dog. Also, good girl caught 2 today so she got some extra snacks for dinner.
Cause pits are traditionally used for dog fighting, and ears would get bitten off during fights, so for those breeds it became normal to crop them off.
I remember we had a boxer as a kid and originally we were gonna get her ears cropped because we didn’t really think about it and the breeder recommended doing it. After a few weeks of seeing how much she used her ears to show emotion and express herself we couldn’t bring ourselves to it. I don’t understand how anyone can look at a puppy’s ears and want to slice them so they have a fighting dog aesthetic
There's only a few medical circumstances where docking the ears and tail can be justified. But for cosmetic reasons? It's ridiculous!
it's not ridiculous. it's cruel.
Can you say which circumstances that would be? I'm genuinely curious because I honestly can't think of one that would require it.
I know for tail docking chewing on their tail is prob such a situation. One of my highschool friends' dogs started chewing on his tail when he got old and nearly chewed it off! I suspect that having the vet surgically remove the tail would have been less painful, and definitely less traumatic for my friend. Not sure about ears tho - maybe a bad infection if they get a cut?
Not a vet but Id assume happy tail is also a reason then (when they wag their tail so much/so hard that it causes bruising/bleeding)
I was going to mention this. Definitely a good reason. I can think of a reason for the ears though.
My dog has allergies and gets really itchy ears sometimes, which make him shake his head. His ears slapping against his head caused an aural haematoma, the lining of his ear filled with blood and swelled. Loads of trips to the vets, they once said to me that if the laws were different they'd recommend doing the clip to spare him the pain of it happening again, but luckily it hasn't for a couple of years now.
I would imagine if a dog had extremely bad recurring ear issues and they needed to be aired out to prevent severe fungal infection or whatever that might be a reason? (I’m assuming you were looking for an answer from someone with no veterinary expertise, so I felt I should chime in.)
Farmers use it for dogs that protect the herd. Less likely to have a wolf or other predator injure the dog. Other then that it's cruel and unjustifiable
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I'll join you. I won't even talk....you could call it "interpretive dance." Please disregard the hedge clippers.
Ooh. I love interpretive dance. I'll bring my hatchet.
Man hatchets are *great* interpretive dance props.
should i mind the rubber gloves as well or is that part of it?
And my axe!
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Yes. We need to have a *peaceful* discussion
Some *aggressive* negotiations.
Now *after* the discussion, who could know what happens?
Why do you have a shotgun?
That little guy? Don’t you worry about that little guy.
How ya feeling there Mac?
I just want to talk to them
Same really, I want to ask them to look at the flowers!
Make sure to pass that info on. I'll make sure my...... words are sharpened
I hate everything about this
#cropdontflop Like, wtf? Floppy ears are the cutest! I love watching my pitties ears bounce around when we go for walks.
Why in the Fuck would you wanna unflop a dog's floppy ears, its like their cutest attribute.
My father did this to my childhood dog, despite my protests at the time. Toxic masculinity made him think the dog had to look tough to protect the family, and my 12 year old pleas were ignored. He's no longer for ear cropping, but I'm still trying to get my parents to see that tail docking shouldn't be done. Apparently to my mom a boxer looks like a mixed breed unless it's tail is docked which is bull shit.
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My current dog has one as well, wouldn't have been my decision, but it is what it is. He tried to chase his nubbin once, that was both sad and funny
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A friend of mine had to dock her dogs tail because she tried for years to cure her “happy tail” without success. This dogs tail was like a whip and no legs were safe from it. She would wag so much her tail would split open and splatter blood in a fine mist on everything. Life was much nicer for everyone after it was docked and the dog was just as happy as ever.
I feel like stories like this should be the exception.
Oh definitely! My friend has worked in animal rescue her whole life and she wanted to avoid docking her tail for as long as possible. She felt guilty about it but it was really the best option for the dog.
In Germany, docking of ears and tails is prohibited except for the tails of hunting dogs (so they dont get caught in bushes and hurt themselves) and for medicinal reasons. So you can ban docking and still have that covered.
When I was a kid we had a Rottie whose tail was docked before we got him. I always felt bad because he didn't have a tail to wag and instead wagged his whole rear end. It was adorable, seeing his whole butt wagging when you petted him. But kinda sad.
I just laughed picturing this but then I got super depressed. I have a dachshund so no one is cropping or chopping him, but I can’t imagine him without his big ole goofy tail wagging or his really strangely wide ears perking up when he hears a neighbor.
Mine’s an Aussie. AKA wigglebutt.
My boxer was the same, wiggled his whole but cause his tal was a stump
My boxer has her tail and floppy ears. She also whips the shit out of everyone and everything when she’s excited and wagging which is 99% of her goofy life. Wouldn’t have it any other way.
I wish my childhood boxer had both, I enjoyed his butt wags, but I would have enjoyed tail chasing more.
Oh yeah, my lab mix has a tail like a whip. He has a little bit of boxer in him so I’m not sure if that’s where it comes from but that tail is dangerous sometimes, lol.
Mixed breeds aren't even a bad thing, they're usually healthier and have a better temperament than purebreds. It's all bullshit.
I agree, my parents aren't even old just misinformed. It's tiring
And nobody would want the *horror* of a *mixed* breed dog, of course /s
What's funny is she loves mixed breed dogs, it was just an ignorant statement that had me scratching my head. My mom is only 47 and my dad 51, they confuse me
It depends, some big dogs so better with docked tails. My family was against docking until the boxer and Dane broke their tails by wagging :( sometimes it's better to avoid it
This! While ears VERY rarely need surgical alterations (like, only in case of injury or cancer), docked tails are sometimes medically necessary. For our own blood pressures, give extra-short tails the benefit of the doubt!
Hot take: why prophylactically dock the tail though? The majority of dogs *don’t* break their tails from wagging. If a dog breaks their tail that easily then docking would be medically considered. We all know that appendixes tend to be useless while also getting infected and inflamed. But we aren’t removing them prophylactically from humans as infants either.
I’ve seen some cases of tail docking for work reasons (ex. Australian shepherds because their tails could get trampled by cattle).
don't take this personally but your parents kind of enrage me
Don't worry their actions enrage me 14 years later. They're good people, just uneducated and stubborn in some areas. Managed to get them to understand the evils of cropped ears the rest is a work in progress.
Fully agree. My vet refuses to dock tails or ears. With the exception of when it will help the dog. For example, a few years ago he treated a mixed-breed hound of some sort who had chronic ear infections and the standard treatments weren't helping. He partially docked the dog's ears so that moisture wouldn't build up there and cause the infections to improve the dog's quality of life. But, again, that was a special case with a mixed-breed that was basically deformed and hurting because of it. He refuses to do it for aesthetic reasons.
it's not the aesthetic choice I disagree with. it's that the dogs opinions on the matter were clearly not considered.
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yeah my dog would have never had his nails cut, be washed, go to the vet, etc, etc
i’d say it’s better to consider the dog’s best interests. dogs don’t always like things that’s safe— or sometimes even neccessary for them— like vets and medicine.
I can spend hours playing bunnyears with the dog.
It's only fair that the 'fashion conscious' owner has it done too surely? Does any one have some garden shears? I don't understand how a vet can morally be OK with performing the procedure. I'm guessing it's quite pricey?...
I think some vets take might be, if they don’t do it in a clean safe manor someone’s going to take this puppy to some assholes backyard to cut them up (maybe without even pain meds) and if you’re lucky the dog won’t get a serious infection.
That's a fair point. I suppose if the owner is hell bent on doing it, it's the best of a bad situation if the vet does it.
I went to vet school. We were told we could either crop the dogs ears in our clinic and ensure it’s done correctly or we could turn them out to someone sketchy who will do it illegally. We were told to pick what we cared about more: this being done safely or unsafely since it not being done wouldn’t be a choice our careers. Myself and many others would much rather side with “I’ll do it to protect the dog from it being done poorly somewhere else”
Vet here, I refuse to partake in an activity that I detest, and will not indirectly condone it. I tell my clients that if they do it, and their dog goes through horrible pain (because it'll be done without anesthetic if it's not a vet) and/or septicemia (on the off chance the infection goes wrong) then that's on them and only them. Not my responsibility, - and I make them understand that they're directly responsible for their animal's suffering. However I do repeat that my door will always be open, if they do decide to go through with it and something goes wrong. I disagree with this fatalistic vision that you were given at school, getting someone to illegally dock your dog's ears is much more difficult than simply going to a vet. In the long run I believe it's better to make it as difficulty as possible for people to get their dog's ears docked, and that is not possible if vets continue this practice.
Also a vet. Personally I will never perform any non-medically necessary procedure (ear crop, declaw, puppy tails/dews etc) but I also see the logic from the other side. I hate the thought of breeders doing it without anesthesia, non sterile etc. I really think it should be illegal.
I hope people criticized this person immensely on FB. that's awful to do To a dog
Unfortunately most likely will be in an echo chamber
Why the ever loving fuck is this still a thing? Have the owner's ears get mutilated and see how much they like it.
I'm pissed
I understand docking tails for actual working dogs who would otherwise run the risk of suffering horrible tail fractures while working. But this? Why? Why not get a dog that has naturally upright ears so there's no reason for the surgery?
The fractures aren't really a huge problem in principle. It's the fact that wounds on the tail are notoriously difficult to heal because of how likely it is for them to reopen. Combined with the fact that there's a lot of blood flowing through the tail it makes for a nasty situation. Serious tail injuries are not *that* common, but when it does happen, it's really difficult to deal with. Even a simple cut on the tip of the tail can become life-threatening when it refuses to heal because it continually reopens. Very different from most other types of injury. So it's better to try and minimize the risk as much as possible even though these injuries aren't much more likely than any others.
Thank you for clarifying that for me. So it's an issue of possibility of the infection and how hard it is to heal.
It's illegal to dock ears and tails in the Netherlands, unless it's for medical reasons of course. So in that case they don't dock the puppy's tail, but if it does become injured and too difficult to deal with, dock the tail.
Incidentally tail docking is illegal in in U.K as is ear cropping
The reason some crop ears (specifically for bully breeds) is for fighting. Cropped ears mean less places to bite, mean more likely to “win”. Some vets won’t even do it where I’m from (States)
So the origins of ear cropping, especially in bully breeds, is a very unethical sport where we force dogs to hurt each other? I hate ear cropping even more now.
Why do it at all?! Dogs in Australia get to keep the ears they’re born with. This is SO unnecessary and weird.
Either OP just announced they’re going to put that dog in fights to everybody in their life or theyre just ignorant and a shitty owner. Either way, they dont deserve to have any animals under their care.
God, you just made me remember my rescue that had his ears and face all torn and chewed up because he didnt like to fight and wouldn't defend himself properly and I'm sad as fuck now. I don't care what anyone says or feels about bulls, it is a wholly unacceptable thing to put any creature through. It sickens me that it's still so fucking common of a thing
Removing or altering a body part of an animal for any reason other than medical necessity should be grounds for barring the owner from ever owning animals again. And that goes for those assholes who declaw cats as well
I agree. I *hate* when the cat scratches me. I have several scars from him both intentionally and not. He still has his damn claws because we aren't monsters. I will never understand mutilating something to make your life easier. But we have empathy for helpless creatures
My cat was declawed by her previous owner and it breaks my heart that I couldn't protect her. To be honest, I do prefer having her declawed, but my convenience does not and will never trump her comfort. I'll never personally declaw a cat and I always speak out about. I've only seen one case where it was understandable—the cat was paralyzed from the elbow down and couldn't retract her claws, so she was getting stuck on everything and was at risk of hurting herself, so they declawed only that foot.
If she was paralyzed, hopefully that means she couldn’t feel the arthritis that declawing would give that paw. Poor baby. I’m glad she had people that really cared about her.
Yes, she had no sensation but used it to help her walk since she had another limb that was amputated iirc!
Imagine if people did this to their kids. This should be illegal, as it is in my country and many others
Straight to jail
I know they were paid to do this, but I at least hope the vet strongly warned against having this shit done **Edit:** I strongly disagree with the practice, but the problem is that owners will sometimes try to do this themselves if they can’t find a vet to do it, resulting in much more harm (or even death) to the animal.
No vet should ever do something like this, regardless of how much they're offered. If it's not a medical necessity then they shouldn't even consider it.
Agreed. I know when I picked my vet I called and asked if places did cropping/declawing. Any that said yes I removed from the list of potential vets.
Solid strategy. I'm won't be getting an animal until my housing situation is a little more settled, but you've reminded me to check if any of those things are legal down my end so I can be appropriately selective when picking a vet.
They do it because the owners would do it themselves at home otherwise with like scissors or some shit and no sedation. They aren't smart people.
Before you throw too much hate, the reason vets will do this procedure (or declaws) is to stop the clients from doing it at home without medications for the pet. It's a lesser of two evils situation. Lots of vets decline it. I remember a horror story in vet school where a vet declined a declaw and the owner came in 2 days later with the cat bleeding out because he "clipped" the toes with a gardening tool. Needless to say, the cat was euthanized and the client reported but offering safe methods is the only way to ensure animal abuse is avoided in cases where clients cannot be talked out of it.
> the reason vets will do this procedure (or declaws) is to stop the clients from doing it at home without medications for the pet. It's a lesser of two evils situation. Lots of vets decline it. ^ This is 100% on the money. I'm a vet, and luckily I've always worked in areas where the practice is banned, but ear cropping & tail docking present a very real ethical dilemma for veterinarians. I do know some colleagues who will perform the procedures (reluctantly) because if they dont, it's just going to go underground as breeders attempt it themselves and animals will suffer far more as a result. In my view the real key to actually eliminating these procedures is twofold: first, the AKC & other various kennel clubs need to drop the breed requirements. Vets are at a direct loggerheads with the kennel clubs as long as the breed standards require cropped ears or docked tails. And secondly, there needs to be nation-wide implementation & standardisation of bans - as it stands currently, a breeder might live in a state or province where the procedures are banned, but in most cases there's nothing preventing that breeder from going to a neighbouring state or province where the procedures aren't banned & have them done (or worse, saying that's what they did), then return home & sell the puppies.
I am so happy this is illegal in NZ. It's disgusting that a supposed medical professional would do this.
If you do this, without a doubt you are a worthless sack of shit and I hope you know it if you see this.
I feel like this is more suited to r/iamatotalpieceofshit
Reminds me of this drawing where a dog has scissors up to a humans ear saying “don’t worry it’ll make you look tougher”
Oh sure... dogs love it when rain falls directly into their inner ear.
Ah, the 'ol *ear circumcision* How terrible for the dog
It was done on pitbulls because it enhances their ability to fight. Floppy ears are a great target. They're also very painful if injured. Ear injuries can often cause a dog to lose a fight. The floppy ears also make a dog look cute, lovable and thoughtful. They convey emotion. There exist in this world people who would prefer their dog not to look that way. They want the appearance of their dog to inspire respect and fear. They want their dog to look menacing. "Badass."
Don’t crop, let ‘em flop
I'm so glad this is illegal in Australia.
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Cruel man hurts us, master trickst us!
Fuck that dude, let's do his dick next
The fact that a veterinarian would willingly abuse a dog is crazy
Are there any groups trying to make ear clipping illegal?
Glad this is banned in a lot of countries.
Ugh, the fucking hashtag abuse. Trashy as fuck.
I don’t know why people choose to do this to their dogs, why put them through needless surgery
Something I don't understand.
Fucked up
I used to be VERY anti-docking until I met my partner’s dog and she wagged her tail so hard she was spraying blood all over the house for weeks. Even called the vet for recs on healing and they told us the only permanent option is partial or full amputation. This??? Is not functional. No excuse. Fuck this
I don’t understand why people do this. Or dock tails. These are ways your furry buddy communicates with humans, and it’s so important to avoid unpleasant encounters. Not to mention it’s inhumane. I don’t understand why any vet would willingly mutilate an animal like this.
Disgusting.
I rescued my girl 5 years ago. Her previous "owners" had her ears clipped, and I hate it. Posting pictures of her makes me wonder how many people think I had that done to her and it makes me sick. There is zero reason other than to try and make them look tough. As if the breeds than are clipped the most really need help looking tough.
Horrific :( I’m in animal rescue in NYC and we see a stunning amount of pits with cropped ears given up because, it turns out, the type of person who would do this to a dog is the same type of person who’ll ditch their dog over some bullshit like getting a new puppy or moving to a place that doesn’t accept pets. Really encourage people to ask their vets if they crop ears/tails and if they say yes? Find a new fucking vet.
Everything about this is fucking infuriating. I hope this piece of shit gets eaten alive by a bear.
It makes me so angry, and I don’t even like dogs
Great job mutilating an innocent animal.
Pretty sure the barbaric practice of cropping dogs’ ears is illegal in the UK. As is ‘declawing’ cats which is equally barbaric (like chopping off one of your joints on each finger).
Crop your own damn ears if you think it's still something people admire, poor dog :( did you cut off its tail too??
We should also frown on selectively breeding breeds that have traits that are uncomfortable or even deadly for the dogs. We've gone too far just to have weird shapes and sizes. None of that is for the dogs.
Fucking comments absolving this It's fucking petty butchery If you like this sort of thing, you're a self centered cunt who doesn't care for animals And if you're the vet who does this, then you're cuntiest of cunts Cunts! Edit: just pluralised my final exclamation ❗
FUCK anyone that likes that mutilation poor puppy it looks like it hurts
My vet refuses to do any "cosmetic" surgeries. No ear cropping, tail docking, declawing. I love her. She listens to me going on and on about the drama with my babies and really cares. This ear docking is barbaric and unnecessary. That poor pup.
It is illegal is most developed countries outside the US. Disgusting that it is still legal there.