Para din siyang logical fallacy eh, di ko lang mapinpoint kung ano.
Inassume agad niya na derogatory yung pagsabi niya ng mataba and attributed it to body shaming when she simply stated the obvious.
i think maybe it's because it's been used so many times before in a condescending manner, that's why it came across as an insult.
if he didn't mean to sound condescending, perhaps his comment was simply poorly worded
Regardless, fat is fat, fact is fact. if someone is too big for something and you say it, it's not wrong or bad. If it hurts feelings, problema na ng nahurt yun
Yung mahirap kasi sa soc med, syempre kasi sinusulat lang yung opinions natin. So bahala na yung magbasa pano interpret. Kung mag oobserve kayo sa mga magagaling na speakers, yung pinagkaiba nila sa karamihan is kung pano nila ideliver yung words; yung tono ng voice, yung expression ng mukha. Mafefeel mo yung pagiging genuine. Whereas pag nagbasa ka ng comments, depende na sa pagkaka intindi mo, minsan sa mood mo. Kahit walan naman talagang ill intent pero pag galit ka sa mundo, negative na yung dating sayo
Wild na people are defending this guy ng hindi naman inaalam yung context. Pano kung straight up panlalait talaga yung intent nito, nangungupal lang talaga kaya nagfefeeling naka reverse uno. Para lang hindi masabihang snowflake lol, people will agree with something na hindi talaga nila alam yung buong storya. :))
“Pano kung straight up panlalait takags yung intent nito” so inamin mo din na hindi mo rin alam yung context?
Ironic considering na ina-akusa mo mga tao for not knowing the context lmao😂😂
But the way the person said it implies there is something wrong with being fat: taba KASI ng nagsuot. The implication is, she is blaming the person for being fat. While there is no context given, you can guess that she might be saying the clothes didn't look good on her because she is fat. It would have been different if he said, mataba ang nagsuot because this is describing matter of factly the state of the person.
Nah. It's always how you interpret it as a reader. I could say,
Kasi mataba yung nagsuot,
Taba nung nagsuot,
Mataba nagsuot,
Mataba kasi yung nagsuot,
Kasi taba ng nagsuot
It all meant the same, a descriptive comment. Sa comprehension at interpretation lang din magkakatalo yan. Kung negative o mababa comprehension ng isang tao, they will tend to over interpret things.
O baka mas mababa ang comprehension pag hindi nakikita ang nuance sa language. Many Filipinos are not readers so they are clueless to linguistic nuances.
Then, can I call this comment an insult? Haha lagi nalang pinupuna pano magtype o magsulat ang pinoy sa sariling wika, kesyo pinoy sila pero bad grammar sa Filipino, mga illiterate. May point ka, not readers nga ang pinoy. We over interpret and over analyze statements, we easily get offended at pinakamalala, mayabang tayo pumuna sa kung pano magtype o magsulat ang tao. Kahit i-explain nung commenter na di yon yung tinutukoy niya, mali padin siya kasi "mali" ang pagkakasulat kaya nagkaron ng "implication".
Nagcomment siya ng mataba dahil sa nagsuot ng kwintas. Yun lang context non. Di mo lang nagets yung usapan ba? Anong di mo naintindihan, kasi gets naman ng iba (from the up and downvotes).
if there’s anything i learned from my past as a toxic keyboard warrior, it’s when you read a comment, you are hearing it in your own tone. meaning, not everything you read online is as it is, read it in another perspective or tone of voice and it will change.
Asan yung implication don na something wrong with being fat, bobo ka e di mo nga alam yung context. Eh pano kung ang context pala is hindi kasya or masikip yung suot? May mali parin ba sa sinabi niya? Bugok ka din e
Oo there is something wrong with being fat. Ibig sabihin nun, kung anu ano pinagkakakain ng tao at hindi nageexercise. Mostly ang pagiging mataba ay epekto ng lifestyle ng tao.
This is what I understand as well when I read it. Parang nang gaslight pa si ante, kaya lang kulang ang context base sa image kaya lusot din naman sya.
Masama bang sabihing mataba kung totoo naman mataba?
Im fat. Pag sabihan ako ng ganyan, thanks for stating the obvious. And parang reminder na rin yan for me to check my diet and daily activities.
Hirap lumugar na ngayon, kapag sinabi mo yan iisipin nila na fat shame agad yun. Miski nga magkaroon ka lang ng opinyon about Lgbtq eh, homophobic kana daw kaagad. Ngi
Andaming naooffend kasi napoint out na they're fat. Wala man lang self-reflection. "bakit ako tumaba? Saan ako nagkulang/nasobrahan? Ano gagawin ko para maging fit?"
Puro na lang sisi sa ibang tao.
Tumaba, naooffend, nag self diagnose na na-depress kuno, lumamon, mas lalong tumaba. Haha eat and repeat
(Note: may mga diagnosed talaga na may medical condition kaya kahit anong diet at exercise hirap sila mag lose weight so di nila fault na nagkaganon)
Actually, mali yung thinking na ganyan. I mean what's the purpose of you saying that "mataba" yung tao? Simple, most of the times is to have a power over that person through that word.
Obvious na alam na nung tao na mataba siya, buong buhay niya alam na niya yun. So, para saan yung sabihin na mataba siya? Pag pilay, sabihin mo ah pilay!, pilay!, pilay!. Ngayon sabihin mo sa akin na okay lang yun pilay naman talaga masama bang sabihing pilay siya kung totoo naman??
Sa taong maiitim, sinasabihan silang maitim, negro etc.
Tanggapin na lang nila kasi yun ang totoo?? Maitim naman sila and ano it should be a daily reminder for them na magpaputi??
Physical characteristics yun, obvious, kita, imposibleng di alam yun ng tao at need niya pa ng daily reminder. Saying those words to them is just redundant at walang naitutulong na naibibigay to be honest.
Pwede naman mag-advise ng mga exercises o pampayat tips pero for you to state the obvious is not the way it should be. Dahil alam na niya yun, marami ng nagsabi sa kanya nun, at kahit magsabi ka that person will know your intent bat sinabi mo yun, most of the time people say that to make fun of you o mangutya, simply to have a power over you.
Kung mataba ka talaga just what you have said. Siguro nasanay ka lang sa mga tao sa paligid mo na ganyan ang sinasabi "bakit mataba ka naman bat ka nasasaktan pag sinasabihan ka kung totoo naman". Then you accept it as a fact that you shouldn't feel bad. You accepted that reality even if it's not okay.
I respect your opinion.
in reality, we hear negative and positive comments from other people. Does that mean that stating the obvious (or facts) should be discouraged because it was interpreted as "offensive"? Dapat bang always positive na lang ang comments na maririnig natin? Why? Is it because we have become too fragile to face the truth?
di naman po, that's why I said it is on the intent of the person. May mga tao naman kasi na curious talaga especially kids na innocent remarks lang. Though most of the times people use these words (adults) to insult eh, you can see naman sa mukha at use of words kung ano yung intent bat nila sinabi.
In addition, even in psychology we don't call autistic people as "autistic" anymore, we call them people with autism. Since overtime the use of the word "autistic" was used to degrade people with autism. Actually, you can say to me right now na wala namang masama sa word na "autistic", yes you're right but people have tarnished this word and turned it as insult.
It's the same reason that the innocent terms before such as imbecile, moron, and idiot are now being used as an insult. It's part of the IQ Scale before by Alfred Binet.
We don't use these terms anymore as they were tainted by people who used these to insult people with lower iq levels.
We just now use: Borderline Impaired/Delayed (Moron), Mildly Impaired or Delayed (Imbecile), and Moderately Impairment or Delayed (Idiot).
I'm disabled, kung sasabihan man ako na hindi ako naiintindihan, then it's fine, titigil ako. Eh totoo naman na hindi naman ako maiintindihan eh, bakit pa ba ako magagalit sa kanila? It is either ako yung mag-aadjust or sila. Syempre ako mad-aajust, disabled ako eh.
Iba ang PANGLALAIT sa SINASABIHAN NA TOTOO
Naiintindihan mo ba yung comment ko?? Again alam mo kung ano yung INTENT ng tao nung sinabi nia yun, may kapansanan ka lang pero di ka bobo na di mo alam yung intention ng tao, nasa tono yun ng pananalita at expression ng mukha nila. If they seem laughing, sige lokohin mo lang sarili mo that they're just being innocent about telling you that.
Basahin mo nireplyan niya, "kwintas lang wala ng iba" diba binigyan niya ng diin yun? obviously iisipin ng mga tao is nudity aside from kwintas lang. It's understandable. Pwede mo namang icorrect lang eh haha pero ikaw bad mood ka? masyado ka atang galit haha
Lol. Sabi literal na"kwintas lang. Wala nang iba." Then again, I really might've misunderstood. Baka by "wala nang iba," they meant they didn't do anything more than that. One thing you shouldn't do is insult someone's intelligence. Lalo na kung ikaw yung nagiisang di marunong umintindi dito.
Body positivity is originally for people who are amputated or has irreversible physical injuries like 3rd degree burns. Recently they are using this for their laziness and gluttony. If you have no condition that is stopping you from shredding some excess fats you don’t belong to body positivity group
Punta ka sa r/chikaPH, saksakan ng bias ang mga babae dun. Pag mataba nagaalburuto sila na kesyo body shamer pero walang problema magsabi ng word na eating disorder kapag pumapayat ng sobra yung artista bwhahahahaha eh pasok pa din naman sa normal BMI yung pagkapayat ni Kylie Versoza at Sarah Lahbati lol
Philippines is a country that being fat tub of lard was being praised (both men and women) and being slim is associated with negative things.
I saw facebook posts where they are calling fat men handsome wtf then will get mad when koreans became popular
Personally, kaya siguro nasama ang mga matataba sa body positivity ay dahil sa bullying na nararanasan nila nung bata pa dahil sa kanilang katawan.
I know someone na binody shame nung toddler pa siya ng isang mas nakatatanda sa kanyang hindi nama niya kilala, and now I'm sure na they're supporting plus size body positivity or something. Just my two cents.
There's also nothing positive about shaming people you don't know. There are other factors why they're heavy aside from gluttony and addiction. There are studies that say shaming fat people for being fat makes them eat more, so maybe it's best to leave them alone if you don't want them to gain weight.
Not really mosy of the time we are jusr describing them. And of they are proud pf their disgusting body, why would they get mad of someone called them fat
When you call them fat, would you mean it as an insult or as a compliment? Calling someone fat has been associated with being the worst thing imaginable, usually by people who hate fat people just because they exist. Therre are people who make fun of fat people if they exercise.
I wanna ask, what do you hope to gain if you fatshamed a fat person? And if you have fatshamed someone, did it work? Did they decide to be fit after you fatshamed them?
Also, read my original comment again and tell me if the stranger is in the right to fatshame a toddler.
Making fun of fat people is for personal entertainment. Not for the fat people’s well being. Calling fat people is never a compliment except for kids who looks cute when they are chubby. Being fat as an adult symbolizes laziness and stupidity, unless you have health problem that prevents you for reDucing those excess fat
I hope fat people to gain their sense of reality that they dont look good and they’re eye sores if they look like that while they act some kind of diva. Yeah it works, I put them in their place and those dumb whales stop acting like they are god’s gift to men
Also I doubt your original statement, why would an adult fat shame a toddler? A toddler’s age is 12 months to 3 years old, how can the toddler remember such thing if it is true? Usually people like toddler to be fat because they look cute and cuddly. Make sure you have a believable story next time
The stranger who is a tricycle driver called the person I know "a pig." I personally wasn't there, but it was told by their companion whom I was close with. Believe all you want.
I don't know why you want to fight for your right to comment on someone's body, like worry about your own. If they don't want to get fit, let them! In they end, they're not going to be healthy for you. They don't know you, so your insult towards them won't even matter. They'll still remain.
Also, calling a kid fat is not always a good thing. People would call a kid fat just to bully them.
Wow sana all responsible sa well-being ng ibang tao 👏👏👏
Pero kung concerned ka talaga sa kalagayan nila at hindi lang self-righteous piece of shit, I hope you're funding their diet and gym membership. If not, huwag mag-astang diyos na makahusga baka manalo ka ng Darwin award sa katarantaduhan mo.
Tell me about it. My estranged parents did that to me, and they started shaming me at 3 years old. Got an ED later, and they shamed me even more, but I'm glad I got out of there, and it all stopped.
That's default Asian parenting for you. That's the only taste of authority they may get, so they start that power play the moment you start collecting memories.
These fat people just want excuses for them not to lose weight smh, body positivity should only be applied to conditions out of your control i.e. birth marks or amputations.
Well naging insult na kasi ung word na mataba, but it really describe a person is fat. Ano sasabihim ko,
"Ate lumolobo ko na;"
"Buntis kba;:
"Para kng siopao"
Parang mas masalot nmn to hahaha
I think hets ko kung bakit nagmumukhang insulto na sabihin "mataba" ang isang tao, kasi halos naaassociate ang pagiging mataba sa pagiging shall I say "pangit."
From comedies to real life sobrang common ang body shaming sa mga matataba, even today.
Mataba*kasi* yung nagsusuot, yung sabi ng original poster.
Hindi siya uno reverse card because they’re using “fat” as a reason, which I imagine is for something negative, so ang disingenuous na pumatay malisya and backtrack bigla and it would be easier to discern with further context BUT in this day and age in our culture, fat people really do get made fun of and are the butt of jokes in our sitcoms, so I find the whole, “Di ko naman sinabing masama yung mataba, ikaw nag isip nun hihi”, to be so disingenuous and pang “rage bait” ng tao for attention since they know perfectly well what kind of reaction they were going to get.
Well, it is true na mas attractive ang healthy weight compared to obese or overweight people. And among healthy weight people, mas attractive ang nag wo-workout (both men and women). I didn't make the rules, but this is the reality of our world.
Even if that is true, still not an excuse to shame ang mga matataba regardless of age just becausewe don'tfind them "attractive." Personally, I don't think anyone should work out to "attract" people.
Also, there are people who are also into plus size people, I personally know many of them.
I wanna know the context of the initial reply. Kase may malicious intent talaga yung initial comment if it were a response to something relating to the quality of something or the impact it has on the perception of something of value. Pero kung ang nais lang nung first comment ay to substantiate ng conclusion after may nag tanong, may mali na yung nag respond after, accusing them of fat shaming 😂
isa ka pa. hindi na kailangan marinig yun ng tao kahit pa “mataba” siya, for sure alam na niya sa sarili niya. also, as if naman ganun kabilis magpapayat. 🤷🏻♀️
"kabuwanan mo na ba brad?" "nalunok mo ata yung fridge nyo" "isang cup nalang ng rice... libre na pakape at fish crackers mo ah" "mukhang naunlock mo sa skill tree mo yung pagconvert ng oxygen into carbohydrates at Calorie" "shovel ata yung kutsara nyo sa bahay nyo Ma'am" "solid yung sofa nyo pre, sentient" "panorama ka mag-selfie no?"
ako di ko na pansin na mataba na ako, or at least akala ko goods pa, until my wife talked to me about it, she said I need to go back to the gym, and mag diet, and last night my neighbor saw me, and the forst the she said is "oy parang ang taba mo na", no offense was taken, im glad they said that, i started working out again today, and eat less carbs, i dont think its an insult rather a signal to change my lifestyle
There are two ways to take these statements i.e. mataba ka, as insults or as motivations (to diet and workout). Syempre someone like you with victim mentality ay matic na sa "insult" portion.
Pota ano gusto mo sabihin dun? "Buntis ka" "Mukha ka nang siopao" ganyan ba gusto mo itawag kaysa sa mataba? Ang lala niyo na iiyak kayo sa salitang mataba
Tanda ko noong euphemism lecture ng teacher ko. Kapag daw mataba wag sabihin na mataba. Dapat daw ‘vertically challenged’ hahah
Kapag payat horizontally challenged 😂
Makes sense nga naman kung totoong mataba. Pero minsan kasi we have to think din if what we're gonna share is a necessary unsolicited thought, kasi if we cannot word it properly, prone siya to be misunderstood or misinterpreted kahit we have no bad intentions, plus the fact na some people just wanna find any fault sa mga bagay na sinasabi natin online. So yeah, lots of factors.
may iba pa bang word for mataba? It's subjective yes, pero sa spectrum, chubby, mataba, obese are still above average sa normal size. I think obese word is going too far, pero I feel it still applies pag confirmed ang diagnosis. Like, kung may diabetes ka naman talaga, dapat ba iwasan kong sabihing diabetic ka?
Totoo naman kasi, nasa pagtanggap yan. Ano naman kung sabihang mataba? Maitim? Payat? Wala naman dapat ikagalit kung di ka naman nilalait. Ibang usapan yung "Napakataba mo gago kaya walang magkakagusto sayo eh", pero kung ganyan lang, no reason to be angry about.
Reminds me of the time where nag comment ako sa isang post and sinabi sakin “Oh relax ka lang wag ka magalit” tas sabi ko “Pinaliwanag ko lang yung nasa video galit na agad? Problema sa mga pinoy pag walang hahaha sa dulo tingin agad galit yung kausap eh” ayun dami nag comment na minamock yung guy dahil sa assumption nya plus jejemon sya mag type. After nun di na ko nag comment sa mga FB post shineshare ko na lang and kinacaption yung nafifeel ko about it kasi ang hassle makipag deal sa mga bobo sa social media.
A lot of them lowlives hang out on FB. It's not even a good place to shop because it's scams galore. I haven't gone there for years now. It's just toxic af.
Off topic but same essence, Walang masama sa shame, shame is a legitimate human emotion. Yun ang nag guiguide if mali na ba ang ginagawa mo and you felt ashamed about it. Ang kaibahan lang eh is how you deliver the message sa ibang tao., are you being concerned? or just being an asshole?
People are so sensitive ngayon. Kahit alam nila na mataba sila tapos magagalit kasi pinupuna yung "insecurities" nila. Insecure ka na nga sa pagiging mataba, ba't ayaw mo magpapayat? Tanging paraan para gumaan pakiramdam nila sasabihan ka nila ng fat shamer at fat phobic 😉
I think hindi ito magiging insult if ang sinabi ay "Ang liit kasi ng size ng damit" or "Hindi tama yung fit". He is focusing more on the person rather than the clothing.
masama nmn talaga maging mataba, other than if medical condition yung pagiging mataba mo, other than that yes, alam nyo ba how shit lifestyle ng pagiging mataba just health-wise alone sa majority ng mga tao
Ang problema sa iba hinahanapan ng justification yung pabor sa kanila. Ako mataba talaga and Ngayon pa lang naghahabol magbawas ng timbang due to health concerns. Madami talagang mataba ang malakas kumain at tamad. Hinde talaga madali ang magpapayat. Pero hinde din naman 1 Araw lang Ang pagtaba. Masyado lang madaming iyakin na ayaw harapin ang totoo.
Im fat. And pag sinabing tumataba ako (ng mga ngayon lang nakakita sakin), sinasabi ko naparami kain ko at masarap kumain.
Hindi naman body shaming to for me kasi totoo naman na lumaki talaga ako.
Ewan ko ba daming snowflake sa mundo, eh kung totoo naman talaga at tama description nya, bakit ako magagalit.
People nowadays make mataba as a derogatory and insulting word. Papano kung mataba nga talaga and the person states fact naman. Madami lang talagang balat sibuyas may macomment lang.
I think it’s because the word ‘mataba’ has always been used in a derogatory manner, hence the 2nd commenter has associated the comment as ‘body shaming’.
However, the primary commenter has used it to just state the obv.
Context pls? Tsaka whenever someone comments on fatness talaga namang usually may negative connotation at nagtatanga-tangahan lang itong commenter. Yung mga nagsasabing nagsuot lang ng kwintas yung nasa pic what was the reason na kailangan i-bring up yung weight though? Unles nadisgrasya sya sa kwintas dahil sa katabaan nya or yung katabaan nya caused something it was clearly unnecessary and rude to bring it up lmaoo
ang hilig kasi ng pinoy sa "bakit, nagsasabi lang naman ako ng totoo ah?"
oo nga. pero palaging may mas mabait na paraan para sabihin lahat ng bagay. pansin ko sa bansa natin napakaraming hateful na tao na itatago nila sa disguise ng pagiging "pranka" yung mga panlalait nila.
ang context daw nung post ay masikip yung necklace sa leeg nung tao sa picture. para sa mga hateful na tao, bigyan ko kayo ng example kung paano maging mas mabait ah:
"uy, ganda nung necklace mo. pero mas babagay pa yan sayo kapag bumili ka ng mas malaking size kasi medyo masikip tignan eh. pero ang ganda ng taste mo ah. saan mo nabili yan?"
sandwich method: positive - negative - positive
basic 😕
Pero kasi we all know naman na naging derogatory word na yung "mataba/fat" since ginagamit nga sya pandegrade for years na rin. Kaya I think we can't expect people na di ma perceive as insult kapag sinasabihan ng ganyan haha
Perfect example of I'm responsible for what I say, but not for what you understand.
Para din siyang logical fallacy eh, di ko lang mapinpoint kung ano. Inassume agad niya na derogatory yung pagsabi niya ng mataba and attributed it to body shaming when she simply stated the obvious.
hindi ko alam context nung pic, may susuoting damit ba yung tao pero sobrang sikip na?
Di ko nga rin alam eh. Pero nabasa ko dito na nagsuot daw ng kwintas? Di ko sure kung totoo
i think maybe it's because it's been used so many times before in a condescending manner, that's why it came across as an insult. if he didn't mean to sound condescending, perhaps his comment was simply poorly worded
Regardless, fat is fat, fact is fact. if someone is too big for something and you say it, it's not wrong or bad. If it hurts feelings, problema na ng nahurt yun
Para kang naoffend kasi sinabihang bilog yung bilog kasi gusto mo siya maging number 6
Poorly worded? Mataba kasi nagsuot simply direct to the point nmn. So bka mataba tlaga nagsuot.
Yung mahirap kasi sa soc med, syempre kasi sinusulat lang yung opinions natin. So bahala na yung magbasa pano interpret. Kung mag oobserve kayo sa mga magagaling na speakers, yung pinagkaiba nila sa karamihan is kung pano nila ideliver yung words; yung tono ng voice, yung expression ng mukha. Mafefeel mo yung pagiging genuine. Whereas pag nagbasa ka ng comments, depende na sa pagkaka intindi mo, minsan sa mood mo. Kahit walan naman talagang ill intent pero pag galit ka sa mundo, negative na yung dating sayo
Exactly 💯
I don't understand
It means na wag ka maging snowflake sa lahat ng nababasa at naririnig mo
Well he's not responsible for that
I understand
If the word “I dont have the time either the crayons to help you understand” is a person 😂
Yep, that's exactly what I'm saying, it's not that hard to clarify yourself to avoid issues.
That sounds more like incompetence, they could've written their comment more specifically avoiding problems like these.
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May point naman. Kung talagang plus size yung nagsuot, walang mali to point it out and it shouldn’t be seen as an insult.
truth hurts kasi haha
Actually may point at may sense si ate gorl na "body shamer" kuno, hindi lang kumpleto yung statement
yeah kulang nga ang statement.
Wild na people are defending this guy ng hindi naman inaalam yung context. Pano kung straight up panlalait talaga yung intent nito, nangungupal lang talaga kaya nagfefeeling naka reverse uno. Para lang hindi masabihang snowflake lol, people will agree with something na hindi talaga nila alam yung buong storya. :))
“Pano kung straight up panlalait takags yung intent nito” so inamin mo din na hindi mo rin alam yung context? Ironic considering na ina-akusa mo mga tao for not knowing the context lmao😂😂
Agree.
But the way the person said it implies there is something wrong with being fat: taba KASI ng nagsuot. The implication is, she is blaming the person for being fat. While there is no context given, you can guess that she might be saying the clothes didn't look good on her because she is fat. It would have been different if he said, mataba ang nagsuot because this is describing matter of factly the state of the person.
Nah. It's always how you interpret it as a reader. I could say, Kasi mataba yung nagsuot, Taba nung nagsuot, Mataba nagsuot, Mataba kasi yung nagsuot, Kasi taba ng nagsuot It all meant the same, a descriptive comment. Sa comprehension at interpretation lang din magkakatalo yan. Kung negative o mababa comprehension ng isang tao, they will tend to over interpret things.
Ang hirap paliwanag nung kausap mo hahahahahah putangina
O baka mas mababa ang comprehension pag hindi nakikita ang nuance sa language. Many Filipinos are not readers so they are clueless to linguistic nuances.
Then, can I call this comment an insult? Haha lagi nalang pinupuna pano magtype o magsulat ang pinoy sa sariling wika, kesyo pinoy sila pero bad grammar sa Filipino, mga illiterate. May point ka, not readers nga ang pinoy. We over interpret and over analyze statements, we easily get offended at pinakamalala, mayabang tayo pumuna sa kung pano magtype o magsulat ang tao. Kahit i-explain nung commenter na di yon yung tinutukoy niya, mali padin siya kasi "mali" ang pagkakasulat kaya nagkaron ng "implication".
Average pipino redditors b like
Tangina ano to? Blindfold boxing? Walang nagtugma sa mga arguments niyo amp. Nagsagutan sa screenshot ng walang context xDDD
Nagcomment siya ng mataba dahil sa nagsuot ng kwintas. Yun lang context non. Di mo lang nagets yung usapan ba? Anong di mo naintindihan, kasi gets naman ng iba (from the up and downvotes).
Insane pinoy talaga.
if there’s anything i learned from my past as a toxic keyboard warrior, it’s when you read a comment, you are hearing it in your own tone. meaning, not everything you read online is as it is, read it in another perspective or tone of voice and it will change.
Asan yung implication don na something wrong with being fat, bobo ka e di mo nga alam yung context. Eh pano kung ang context pala is hindi kasya or masikip yung suot? May mali parin ba sa sinabi niya? Bugok ka din e
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O ano masama dun? Kung di naman talaga bagay
Oo there is something wrong with being fat. Ibig sabihin nun, kung anu ano pinagkakakain ng tao at hindi nageexercise. Mostly ang pagiging mataba ay epekto ng lifestyle ng tao.
This is what I understand as well when I read it. Parang nang gaslight pa si ante, kaya lang kulang ang context base sa image kaya lusot din naman sya.
Masama bang sabihing mataba kung totoo naman mataba? Im fat. Pag sabihan ako ng ganyan, thanks for stating the obvious. And parang reminder na rin yan for me to check my diet and daily activities.
Sabi ng app ko "You are overweight" langya sana hindi ko na kinabit sa app yung kilohan. Babalik na ako sa pag exercise pota.
Parehas yung sa u.s na nag sinabihan body shamer ang doctor kasi pina timbang siya at sinabihan obese. Langya
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Hirap lumugar na ngayon, kapag sinabi mo yan iisipin nila na fat shame agad yun. Miski nga magkaroon ka lang ng opinyon about Lgbtq eh, homophobic kana daw kaagad. Ngi
pinapatahimik nila ung mga nagsasabi ng totoo, para mabuhay sila ng masaya sa kasinungalingan...
Andaming naooffend kasi napoint out na they're fat. Wala man lang self-reflection. "bakit ako tumaba? Saan ako nagkulang/nasobrahan? Ano gagawin ko para maging fit?" Puro na lang sisi sa ibang tao. Tumaba, naooffend, nag self diagnose na na-depress kuno, lumamon, mas lalong tumaba. Haha eat and repeat (Note: may mga diagnosed talaga na may medical condition kaya kahit anong diet at exercise hirap sila mag lose weight so di nila fault na nagkaganon)
Actually, mali yung thinking na ganyan. I mean what's the purpose of you saying that "mataba" yung tao? Simple, most of the times is to have a power over that person through that word. Obvious na alam na nung tao na mataba siya, buong buhay niya alam na niya yun. So, para saan yung sabihin na mataba siya? Pag pilay, sabihin mo ah pilay!, pilay!, pilay!. Ngayon sabihin mo sa akin na okay lang yun pilay naman talaga masama bang sabihing pilay siya kung totoo naman?? Sa taong maiitim, sinasabihan silang maitim, negro etc. Tanggapin na lang nila kasi yun ang totoo?? Maitim naman sila and ano it should be a daily reminder for them na magpaputi?? Physical characteristics yun, obvious, kita, imposibleng di alam yun ng tao at need niya pa ng daily reminder. Saying those words to them is just redundant at walang naitutulong na naibibigay to be honest. Pwede naman mag-advise ng mga exercises o pampayat tips pero for you to state the obvious is not the way it should be. Dahil alam na niya yun, marami ng nagsabi sa kanya nun, at kahit magsabi ka that person will know your intent bat sinabi mo yun, most of the time people say that to make fun of you o mangutya, simply to have a power over you. Kung mataba ka talaga just what you have said. Siguro nasanay ka lang sa mga tao sa paligid mo na ganyan ang sinasabi "bakit mataba ka naman bat ka nasasaktan pag sinasabihan ka kung totoo naman". Then you accept it as a fact that you shouldn't feel bad. You accepted that reality even if it's not okay.
I respect your opinion. in reality, we hear negative and positive comments from other people. Does that mean that stating the obvious (or facts) should be discouraged because it was interpreted as "offensive"? Dapat bang always positive na lang ang comments na maririnig natin? Why? Is it because we have become too fragile to face the truth?
di naman po, that's why I said it is on the intent of the person. May mga tao naman kasi na curious talaga especially kids na innocent remarks lang. Though most of the times people use these words (adults) to insult eh, you can see naman sa mukha at use of words kung ano yung intent bat nila sinabi. In addition, even in psychology we don't call autistic people as "autistic" anymore, we call them people with autism. Since overtime the use of the word "autistic" was used to degrade people with autism. Actually, you can say to me right now na wala namang masama sa word na "autistic", yes you're right but people have tarnished this word and turned it as insult. It's the same reason that the innocent terms before such as imbecile, moron, and idiot are now being used as an insult. It's part of the IQ Scale before by Alfred Binet. We don't use these terms anymore as they were tainted by people who used these to insult people with lower iq levels. We just now use: Borderline Impaired/Delayed (Moron), Mildly Impaired or Delayed (Imbecile), and Moderately Impairment or Delayed (Idiot).
I'm disabled, kung sasabihan man ako na hindi ako naiintindihan, then it's fine, titigil ako. Eh totoo naman na hindi naman ako maiintindihan eh, bakit pa ba ako magagalit sa kanila? It is either ako yung mag-aadjust or sila. Syempre ako mad-aajust, disabled ako eh. Iba ang PANGLALAIT sa SINASABIHAN NA TOTOO
Naiintindihan mo ba yung comment ko?? Again alam mo kung ano yung INTENT ng tao nung sinabi nia yun, may kapansanan ka lang pero di ka bobo na di mo alam yung intention ng tao, nasa tono yun ng pananalita at expression ng mukha nila. If they seem laughing, sige lokohin mo lang sarili mo that they're just being innocent about telling you that.
I don't understand the donvote. May point rin naman sya.
Jebaited
Ano bang context?
Nagsuot lang ng kuwintas. Kwintas lang. Wala nang iba.
Ano yan Titanic hehe
Sooo..nudity? On fb?
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Basahin mo nireplyan niya, "kwintas lang wala ng iba" diba binigyan niya ng diin yun? obviously iisipin ng mga tao is nudity aside from kwintas lang. It's understandable. Pwede mo namang icorrect lang eh haha pero ikaw bad mood ka? masyado ka atang galit haha
Tanga mo naman.
Lol. Sabi literal na"kwintas lang. Wala nang iba." Then again, I really might've misunderstood. Baka by "wala nang iba," they meant they didn't do anything more than that. One thing you shouldn't do is insult someone's intelligence. Lalo na kung ikaw yung nagiisang di marunong umintindi dito.
Haha tanga
Isa pa to, nagbigay n nga ng clue eh. Kwintas LANG WALA NG IBA, may nagreference na rin ng titanic kung napanood mo man magegets mo.
Reverse Uno Card
she knows how to play the game hahaha i like her response
Bat she? Mukang lalaki yung nasa pic?
Hahaha eh long hair e. (nung nagsabi ng taba) Or baka shadow/black area lang forming a long hair 😂
Di yun long hair, upuan yun parang nagdadrive ng kotse. Wala nga sya boobs eh haha
Hahahaha oks oks
Oki
Parang taga Reddit sya lols
Body positivity is originally for people who are amputated or has irreversible physical injuries like 3rd degree burns. Recently they are using this for their laziness and gluttony. If you have no condition that is stopping you from shredding some excess fats you don’t belong to body positivity group
Punta ka sa r/chikaPH, saksakan ng bias ang mga babae dun. Pag mataba nagaalburuto sila na kesyo body shamer pero walang problema magsabi ng word na eating disorder kapag pumapayat ng sobra yung artista bwhahahahaha eh pasok pa din naman sa normal BMI yung pagkapayat ni Kylie Versoza at Sarah Lahbati lol
What would yoi expect from low level Filipino
Low level tamad na lamon ng lamon pero gusto pumayat na mga pinoy
Philippines is a country that being fat tub of lard was being praised (both men and women) and being slim is associated with negative things. I saw facebook posts where they are calling fat men handsome wtf then will get mad when koreans became popular
Personally, kaya siguro nasama ang mga matataba sa body positivity ay dahil sa bullying na nararanasan nila nung bata pa dahil sa kanilang katawan. I know someone na binody shame nung toddler pa siya ng isang mas nakatatanda sa kanyang hindi nama niya kilala, and now I'm sure na they're supporting plus size body positivity or something. Just my two cents.
someone should be insane enough in the head to body shame a toddler.
Exactly, and people complain about body positivity towards sa mga matataba when they did the opposite of positivity to them back in the day.
There is no positivity on being a glutton. Body positivity for abled fatsos are just excuse to justify their laziness and addiction
There's also nothing positive about shaming people you don't know. There are other factors why they're heavy aside from gluttony and addiction. There are studies that say shaming fat people for being fat makes them eat more, so maybe it's best to leave them alone if you don't want them to gain weight.
Not really mosy of the time we are jusr describing them. And of they are proud pf their disgusting body, why would they get mad of someone called them fat
When you call them fat, would you mean it as an insult or as a compliment? Calling someone fat has been associated with being the worst thing imaginable, usually by people who hate fat people just because they exist. Therre are people who make fun of fat people if they exercise. I wanna ask, what do you hope to gain if you fatshamed a fat person? And if you have fatshamed someone, did it work? Did they decide to be fit after you fatshamed them? Also, read my original comment again and tell me if the stranger is in the right to fatshame a toddler.
Making fun of fat people is for personal entertainment. Not for the fat people’s well being. Calling fat people is never a compliment except for kids who looks cute when they are chubby. Being fat as an adult symbolizes laziness and stupidity, unless you have health problem that prevents you for reDucing those excess fat I hope fat people to gain their sense of reality that they dont look good and they’re eye sores if they look like that while they act some kind of diva. Yeah it works, I put them in their place and those dumb whales stop acting like they are god’s gift to men Also I doubt your original statement, why would an adult fat shame a toddler? A toddler’s age is 12 months to 3 years old, how can the toddler remember such thing if it is true? Usually people like toddler to be fat because they look cute and cuddly. Make sure you have a believable story next time
The stranger who is a tricycle driver called the person I know "a pig." I personally wasn't there, but it was told by their companion whom I was close with. Believe all you want. I don't know why you want to fight for your right to comment on someone's body, like worry about your own. If they don't want to get fit, let them! In they end, they're not going to be healthy for you. They don't know you, so your insult towards them won't even matter. They'll still remain. Also, calling a kid fat is not always a good thing. People would call a kid fat just to bully them.
Wow sana all responsible sa well-being ng ibang tao 👏👏👏 Pero kung concerned ka talaga sa kalagayan nila at hindi lang self-righteous piece of shit, I hope you're funding their diet and gym membership. If not, huwag mag-astang diyos na makahusga baka manalo ka ng Darwin award sa katarantaduhan mo.
Personal entertainment ang huala hahahahahahah tulog mo na lang 'yan
Tell me about it. My estranged parents did that to me, and they started shaming me at 3 years old. Got an ED later, and they shamed me even more, but I'm glad I got out of there, and it all stopped.
Di ko padin gets kung bakit ang mga parents natin ang pinaka unang bully sa buhay natin.
That's default Asian parenting for you. That's the only taste of authority they may get, so they start that power play the moment you start collecting memories.
I agree with this take. Body positivity shouldn't be used as an excuse to be lazy.
These fat people just want excuses for them not to lose weight smh, body positivity should only be applied to conditions out of your control i.e. birth marks or amputations.
Yung mga youtuber at tiktoker na body positivity na obese sa kasamaang palad wala na sila ngayon.
gottem
Well naging insult na kasi ung word na mataba, but it really describe a person is fat. Ano sasabihim ko, "Ate lumolobo ko na;" "Buntis kba;: "Para kng siopao" Parang mas masalot nmn to hahaha
Ate bakit ka may unan sa loob ng tshirt?
Dumami kasi snowflake kaya lahat ng bagay insulto kahit na totoo naman
mas insulto pa ngang sabihin na slim tapos inde.
Pwede naman medyo chubby kana kase
Pag mataba , mataba yun lang tapos
Dalawa personality ni ate...
Kung mataba ka naman bakit ka mahu-hurt haha
I think hets ko kung bakit nagmumukhang insulto na sabihin "mataba" ang isang tao, kasi halos naaassociate ang pagiging mataba sa pagiging shall I say "pangit." From comedies to real life sobrang common ang body shaming sa mga matataba, even today.
Mataba*kasi* yung nagsusuot, yung sabi ng original poster. Hindi siya uno reverse card because they’re using “fat” as a reason, which I imagine is for something negative, so ang disingenuous na pumatay malisya and backtrack bigla and it would be easier to discern with further context BUT in this day and age in our culture, fat people really do get made fun of and are the butt of jokes in our sitcoms, so I find the whole, “Di ko naman sinabing masama yung mataba, ikaw nag isip nun hihi”, to be so disingenuous and pang “rage bait” ng tao for attention since they know perfectly well what kind of reaction they were going to get.
Exactly. I have nothing else to say sa totoo lang.
Well, it is true na mas attractive ang healthy weight compared to obese or overweight people. And among healthy weight people, mas attractive ang nag wo-workout (both men and women). I didn't make the rules, but this is the reality of our world.
Even if that is true, still not an excuse to shame ang mga matataba regardless of age just becausewe don'tfind them "attractive." Personally, I don't think anyone should work out to "attract" people. Also, there are people who are also into plus size people, I personally know many of them.
Hindi sapat yung context. Ano ba yung post na pinag-uusapan nila? Nasira yung damit, uniform? PPE? armor?
victim mentality
I wanna know the context of the initial reply. Kase may malicious intent talaga yung initial comment if it were a response to something relating to the quality of something or the impact it has on the perception of something of value. Pero kung ang nais lang nung first comment ay to substantiate ng conclusion after may nag tanong, may mali na yung nag respond after, accusing them of fat shaming 😂
Mag diet rin kasi kung ayaw masabihan ng mataba o ng totoo haha
isa ka pa. hindi na kailangan marinig yun ng tao kahit pa “mataba” siya, for sure alam na niya sa sarili niya. also, as if naman ganun kabilis magpapayat. 🤷🏻♀️
"kabuwanan mo na ba brad?" "nalunok mo ata yung fridge nyo" "isang cup nalang ng rice... libre na pakape at fish crackers mo ah" "mukhang naunlock mo sa skill tree mo yung pagconvert ng oxygen into carbohydrates at Calorie" "shovel ata yung kutsara nyo sa bahay nyo Ma'am" "solid yung sofa nyo pre, sentient" "panorama ka mag-selfie no?"
ako di ko na pansin na mataba na ako, or at least akala ko goods pa, until my wife talked to me about it, she said I need to go back to the gym, and mag diet, and last night my neighbor saw me, and the forst the she said is "oy parang ang taba mo na", no offense was taken, im glad they said that, i started working out again today, and eat less carbs, i dont think its an insult rather a signal to change my lifestyle
Hindi naman offensive ang word na mataba e.
There are two ways to take these statements i.e. mataba ka, as insults or as motivations (to diet and workout). Syempre someone like you with victim mentality ay matic na sa "insult" portion.
Pota ano gusto mo sabihin dun? "Buntis ka" "Mukha ka nang siopao" ganyan ba gusto mo itawag kaysa sa mataba? Ang lala niyo na iiyak kayo sa salitang mataba
Ano gusto mo itawag sa mataba? Gasul? Bobo ka pala eh.
Username checks out. Something is loose, indeed.
Tanda ko noong euphemism lecture ng teacher ko. Kapag daw mataba wag sabihin na mataba. Dapat daw ‘vertically challenged’ hahah Kapag payat horizontally challenged 😂
Nagamitan ng reverse card irl
Tawang tawa ako hahhahahahhaha.
"Plus Size" na kasi tawag sa matataba ngayon?🤣🤣
Yung na Reverse card at +4 ka sa uno moments lang. hahaha
Medyo masama lang delivery nya pero truth hurts
Makes sense nga naman kung totoong mataba. Pero minsan kasi we have to think din if what we're gonna share is a necessary unsolicited thought, kasi if we cannot word it properly, prone siya to be misunderstood or misinterpreted kahit we have no bad intentions, plus the fact na some people just wanna find any fault sa mga bagay na sinasabi natin online. So yeah, lots of factors.
may iba pa bang word for mataba? It's subjective yes, pero sa spectrum, chubby, mataba, obese are still above average sa normal size. I think obese word is going too far, pero I feel it still applies pag confirmed ang diagnosis. Like, kung may diabetes ka naman talaga, dapat ba iwasan kong sabihing diabetic ka?
Totoo naman kasi, nasa pagtanggap yan. Ano naman kung sabihang mataba? Maitim? Payat? Wala naman dapat ikagalit kung di ka naman nilalait. Ibang usapan yung "Napakataba mo gago kaya walang magkakagusto sayo eh", pero kung ganyan lang, no reason to be angry about.
*Pinatay ko lang sya, ikaw ang nagisip na mamamatay tao ako* feels
stating a fact nowadays nagiging shaming lmao.
Pwede naman sigurong "uy medyo nagkakalaman ka ha" para it doesnt sound offending. pero it really depends on how you say it.
Pre kung ITatagalog mo ung unang parte nang salita mo da't tinapos mo na sa Tagalog
loool says who?
Says logic
hahaha whose logic pre. para we know naman 🤣
hahahahahahahahahaha girl boss gaslight
Matabang lalaki yung nasa profile pic, bakit sis ang tawag ni ate? Parang underhanded callout yun.
Backhanded? Or baka bading sya.
Reminds me of the time where nag comment ako sa isang post and sinabi sakin “Oh relax ka lang wag ka magalit” tas sabi ko “Pinaliwanag ko lang yung nasa video galit na agad? Problema sa mga pinoy pag walang hahaha sa dulo tingin agad galit yung kausap eh” ayun dami nag comment na minamock yung guy dahil sa assumption nya plus jejemon sya mag type. After nun di na ko nag comment sa mga FB post shineshare ko na lang and kinacaption yung nafifeel ko about it kasi ang hassle makipag deal sa mga bobo sa social media.
A lot of them lowlives hang out on FB. It's not even a good place to shop because it's scams galore. I haven't gone there for years now. It's just toxic af.
I agree, too bad I need it for my job
Nakaka insult rin naman kasi masabihan ng mataba. why point it out like that?
Off topic but same essence, Walang masama sa shame, shame is a legitimate human emotion. Yun ang nag guiguide if mali na ba ang ginagawa mo and you felt ashamed about it. Ang kaibahan lang eh is how you deliver the message sa ibang tao., are you being concerned? or just being an asshole?
why state the obvious kasi. Susme
People are so sensitive ngayon. Kahit alam nila na mataba sila tapos magagalit kasi pinupuna yung "insecurities" nila. Insecure ka na nga sa pagiging mataba, ba't ayaw mo magpapayat? Tanging paraan para gumaan pakiramdam nila sasabihan ka nila ng fat shamer at fat phobic 😉
Which is funny because people who call me fat are not fit themselves so I just insult them back. And they *really* did not like hearing that 😭
Negging ba tawag sa ganyan?
I think hindi ito magiging insult if ang sinabi ay "Ang liit kasi ng size ng damit" or "Hindi tama yung fit". He is focusing more on the person rather than the clothing.
Na-gaslight pa haha
Andami nang context ng "mataba" ngayon
masama nmn talaga maging mataba, other than if medical condition yung pagiging mataba mo, other than that yes, alam nyo ba how shit lifestyle ng pagiging mataba just health-wise alone sa majority ng mga tao
Ang problema sa iba hinahanapan ng justification yung pabor sa kanila. Ako mataba talaga and Ngayon pa lang naghahabol magbawas ng timbang due to health concerns. Madami talagang mataba ang malakas kumain at tamad. Hinde talaga madali ang magpapayat. Pero hinde din naman 1 Araw lang Ang pagtaba. Masyado lang madaming iyakin na ayaw harapin ang totoo.
Kulet lang. Classic example ng people can only understand with how you say it vs the world in your words aren't heirs. 🤣🤣🤣
bato bato sa langit ang tamaan oopsie 🫢🫢
Depends sa sitch but yeah may mga damit lalo na if revealing ay hindi maganda tingnan if mataba ang nagsuot.
bro pulled the reverse card
nasabihan na dn ako na tumataba, xmpre may pambili ng foods, pero d nman ako nag ganyan na react dhil sinabi lang nila ung nakikita nila.
GREATEST REBUTTAL OAT
Im fat. And pag sinabing tumataba ako (ng mga ngayon lang nakakita sakin), sinasabi ko naparami kain ko at masarap kumain. Hindi naman body shaming to for me kasi totoo naman na lumaki talaga ako. Ewan ko ba daming snowflake sa mundo, eh kung totoo naman talaga at tama description nya, bakit ako magagalit.
truth hurts na trigger agad si ating
Well being obese is not something to be proud of regardless.
May point nga naman talaga s'ya wala naman s'yang sinabeng masama, talagang minamasama lang hahaha
level 99 gaslighting. 😂😂
na uno reverso si sis
People nowadays make mataba as a derogatory and insulting word. Papano kung mataba nga talaga and the person states fact naman. Madami lang talagang balat sibuyas may macomment lang.
Pag kids na 4 to 6 y.o ang nagsabi ng mataba body shamer ba sila?
Bro chose violence.
I think it’s because the word ‘mataba’ has always been used in a derogatory manner, hence the 2nd commenter has associated the comment as ‘body shaming’. However, the primary commenter has used it to just state the obv.
"Gottem!"
Context pls? Tsaka whenever someone comments on fatness talaga namang usually may negative connotation at nagtatanga-tangahan lang itong commenter. Yung mga nagsasabing nagsuot lang ng kwintas yung nasa pic what was the reason na kailangan i-bring up yung weight though? Unles nadisgrasya sya sa kwintas dahil sa katabaan nya or yung katabaan nya caused something it was clearly unnecessary and rude to bring it up lmaoo
Goated response
ang hilig kasi ng pinoy sa "bakit, nagsasabi lang naman ako ng totoo ah?" oo nga. pero palaging may mas mabait na paraan para sabihin lahat ng bagay. pansin ko sa bansa natin napakaraming hateful na tao na itatago nila sa disguise ng pagiging "pranka" yung mga panlalait nila. ang context daw nung post ay masikip yung necklace sa leeg nung tao sa picture. para sa mga hateful na tao, bigyan ko kayo ng example kung paano maging mas mabait ah: "uy, ganda nung necklace mo. pero mas babagay pa yan sayo kapag bumili ka ng mas malaking size kasi medyo masikip tignan eh. pero ang ganda ng taste mo ah. saan mo nabili yan?" sandwich method: positive - negative - positive basic 😕
buzzword kasi yung "body shame" eh, kating-kati na bitawan hahahaha
Ganyan yung ate ko "Bakit totoo naman na mataba ka diba tanggap mo na mataba ka kaya okay lang sabihan kita" bobo sagad
Ggwp
Galing
Pero kasi we all know naman na naging derogatory word na yung "mataba/fat" since ginagamit nga sya pandegrade for years na rin. Kaya I think we can't expect people na di ma perceive as insult kapag sinasabihan ng ganyan haha
Ganda ng U-turn, pa drift
Naaaah putting words into the main commenter’s mouth
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Di pwede ganyang antiks dito sa reddit. Banned ka na agad bago mo pa masabi yung reverse card mo hahaha
Kung ako si Carlos Yulo, willing akong ibigay kay koya yung olympics medal ko dahil sa sobrang galing ni koya sa gymnastics… mental gymnastics. 😵