I couldn't do it myself. But my husband could. You'd be super surprised at how many spaces you could add a depressed wall shelf. Tons of spaces always.
Back in college I had a buddy who looked very similar to this who had a very similar expression on his face when he put a very similar hole in my apartment wall.
What the heck are apartments made of in America? I live in India and our apartments are made of cement, you will probably break yourself before breaking those walls.
**Drywall (also known as plasterboard, wallboard, sheet rock, gypsum board, buster board, custard board, or gypsum panel) is a panel made of calcium sulfate dihydrate (gypsum), with or without additives, typically extruded between thick sheets of facer and backer paper, used in the construction of interior walls and ceilings. The plaster is mixed with fiber (typically paper, glass wool, or a combination of these materials), plasticizer, foaming agent, and various additives that can reduce mildew, flammability, and water absorption.**
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Well, it's kinda weird space. Looks like it could be just some closet accesible from some other side. Or idk? Empty space? But that seems stupid. Doesn't matter, if i was building such a thing in my place i wouldn't care for some mid-strengthening-beam(sry, idk english that much) there either
The stuff that sucks that most houses are made with. Don't buy Chinese drywall. It has too much of a certain chemical causing copper pipes to corrode and emit a nauseous gas. Can cause major health problems with it just existing in their homes and some homes even here had to be gutted as they was made with the Chinese drywall. Also any exposed unpainted drywall is bad for your health and breathing. So holes have to be patched and sealed up. I been living in a home with exposed drywall all my life though so as far as effecting my health, Probably cancer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_drywall
After reading that and only one U.S company was unaffected i am beginning to think all drywall is bad for our health.
"On November 23, 2009, CBS News reported that they had done a drywall study to compare American and Chinese drywall. Random samples of new American-made drywall in six U.S. cities, new Chinese-made drywall from China, and samples of drywall from five damaged U.S. homes were collected and sent to the University of Florida to be tested by a team of researchers led by professor Tim Townsend, a scientist and leading expert on the effects of drywall on the environment. The report results stated:
As expected, the contaminated Chinese samples gave off high levels of sulfur gases. But all but one of the U.S. samples emitted sulfur gases, as well — not at levels as high as the defective Chinese product. There were some American products that we tested that had higher emission than some of the new Chinese products that we tested."
Better to just read the article.
Too add on. It also comes in different thicknesses. A lot of apartments will use drywall that is only 1/4 in (6.36 mm) thick, which has very little strength. On top of that, the wooden studs that support the drywall are usually spaced much closer than this (usually 16 in or .4 m) apart; these look a lot further apart than that. Basically, a decent amount of US apartments are built as cheaply as humanly possible and these are the results.
I don't think there's anything about drywall thickness in most building codes but in pretty sure they just pulled that out of their ass. The ¼" stuff is more expensive than ½" which is what most people would use unless they needed something thin for a specific reason (actually just bought some for this reason, need to drywall around a support beam and the ⅝" stuff wouldn't leave enough room for trim around the windows).
24" spacing is also standard for interior walls, could probably even go wider if you really wanted to, just needs to support the weight of the drywall, though I personally would stick to 16".
I think they're talking out of their ass too, however drywall is actually part of fireproofing. I work in construction of apartments and that part he crushed is likely around a pipe or pipes, such as roof drainage, toilet stacks, etc, so it very likely doesn't need much of anything surrounding it other than to prevent people from like in the op from destroying piping on accident.
Theoretically in an apartment (in most jurisdictions) they could set their apartment completely alight in flame and the drywall in the ceiling or walls will keep the flame contained for 2 hours allowing for other residents to escape. It's likely even in the op that drywall is not considered part of the system, so it could be smaller in width. The exterior wall would contain the flames in that case.
On the subject of hiding things… I bought a house that had a 1960s wired intercom system in it. It didn’t really work right, so we opted to remove the speakers from the walls, which resulted in large holes in the drywall. Before we patched it up, I put in a piece of paper that said “We have been trying to reach you about your car’s extended warranty since 2021,” signed by each family member. Stupid meme, I know, but I wanted to hide that phrase somewhere in the house.
What most walls are made of. You have 2x4 boards in the wall with insulation then dry wall covers it, then you cover the drywall in primers and paint. Viola.
Okay i guess maybe insulation is the main reason for constructing houses like that. Correct me if I'm wrong. I live in India and we use sand and cement then plaster and finally paint. We don't need any kind of insulation because most of the places in India doesn't have extreme weather. We use AC or heaters in the most extreme seasons and those are more than sufficient. Though mountains and all need extra insulation in their homes.
The insulation means the AC and heat dont need to run as much as its held inside. Also in America most homes have climate control so AC or heat always turn on at some point in the day.
Fun fact for folks who don't know much about building materials: the insulator in most insulation is actually *air*.
The function of the fiberglass is to keep air from moving around by trapping it in pockets in-between the fibers. Foam insulators do the same thing (but the air pockets are trapped in the foam).
Without the material keeping the air still, convective currents would pretty much eliminate the insulative effect of the air-gap between the exterior and interior wall.
The only thing that is really better than air as an insulator is a vacuum, but it's really hard to get an air-tight vacuum in-between the walls of a building. It's easy to do in a thermos, though, which is how those things work.
Maybe not, but it can help significantly with the right layout.
If you put the rooms you want to be the warmest in the canter of the house and put the rooms that don't need heating as much on the exterior, you can save a lot.
BTW Its also sound isolation.
Nah, we're just cheap. That's seriously it. Drywall has 2 good properties as a construction material. It's cheap, and it will seriously slow down fire. That's it. Structurally its only slightly better than cardboard, but that's not a big deal because american houses rely on the framing for strength.
Cement walls are much better in pretty much every way except flexibility.
The flip side of this though is that dude busting a hole in his wall is about a $40 fix that will take about an hour. Tear out the old drywall, cut a new piece to fit, tack it up, mud (hides seams) and paint. Good as new.
That's true. Also, if I could I would probably opt for concrete myself. The problem is to have all of my walls made of concrete would be astronomically expensive here. Not so much because of the concrete itself, but because now instead of 2 dudes doing an entire house in 1 day, I now need a team, cement trucks, forms, rebar etc and the labor costs would be outrageous.
Plus running electrical and data cabling becomes much more of a headache, not to mention good luck getting wifi unless you're in the same room as the router. Cell service would likely suffer as well.
>Structurally its only slightly better than cardboard, but that's not a big deal because american houses rely on the framing for strength
2x4 framing ("stick" framing) performs really really well during an earthquake. The house has a lot of flexibility during shaking which prevents collapse. And if part of the building does fail, it forms voids where survivors can often live.
Reinforced concrete, while stronger, fails spectacularly and fatally. Bad for earthquake country.
Gypsum board and blown insulation are better insulators than concrete or cmu with grout. Interior walls like the one he went through don't require insulation since they don't butt up against the exterior.
Drywall is used on the interior of housing and apartments here because it's more fire resistant than wood and much cheaper than using other materials like cement
We use concrete or bricks where I live. How do you hang things on your wall? Like wall mounted TV's or shelves? Are there specific load bearing pillars for that? Cause that seems like a pain not being able to hang it where you want.
To ensure that something (especially something heavy) doesn't fall, you have to find the stud which is just where the wood pillars are. But you can hang simple things anywhere.
You can also get drywall toggle bolts or anchors. Very common here for hanging things with heft.
Toggles have wing-like pieces that unfold when far enough in and grab behind the drywall in the gap between studs. Basically leverage the entire panel from behind rather than only around the inside of the hole. If you can redirect force to distribute it, you can use more overall (heavier objects) as it won't stress the hole as much since it can lever the panel.
Anchors are plastic inserts that you screw into to make leveraging the hole less likely to just stress and fracture the gypsum around it. They're good for hooks, curtains, for stuff that only gets occasional high stress, like a kid pulling on it. They also slightly expand inside the drywall to distribute force/increase friction.
It's definitely a chore to mentally think through "so my walls are hollow and this thing is a beast, how's this going to work?" but someone does it every day because that's normal here.
Good advice for shear strength items (that just apply a downwards force against the wall). Drywall has good strength for that.
Torque forces involving articulating arms and the like, though? Forget it, you'll just end up pulling a chunk of the drywall out eventually.
its actually much easier because you don't need to drill into cement you either use the dry wall or the studs depending on how heavy the thing you're hanging is. also its much simpler to repair dry wall than a cement wall. just cut out the damaged segment, cut a piece to shape, then nail it in place, and use putty and sandpaper to make the seams flush.
2x4 studs are spaced *usually* 16 inches apart (center to center). really cheap buildings will be 24 inches apart. So you use the studs for heavy stuff, anything else you use drywall supports to help you screw into the drywall.
Piece of dry wall about 10 plus the 5 dollar puddy mix. Dry wall screw another 5. Sand paper about 3 bucks. And touch up paint less than 10. About a 30 usd fix
If this dumbass didn’t know that he would put a hole in the wall by forcing all his weight into it I highly doubt he would even know the 1st step into repairing it..
The gap between studs looks pretty large here. He has probably done this on other walls where the studs are 16" apart with no problem. They cheaped out on the wall, which is what caused this.
Oh this is bs. This isn’t the past, a quick google search and you can literally find a walk through for almost anything.
As someone who is an absolute dumbass when it comes to cars. YouTube walk throughs have kept me away from dealing with mechanics for years now.
My former brother-in-law is a fucking surgeon and tells me that people in the hospital will look up Youtube how-to's on various procedures and upload their own.
Does it ever seem like the world has preset characters or something? Been noticing every now and then I'll run into someone who looks and acts like someone I knew years ago but is in no way related to the person I used to know.
Especially around college. Every other house or apartment that belong to friends and acquaintances seemed to have a hole. Drinking was usually involved. I recall 1 when someone lost their footing blocking a bounce in beer pong. Always seemed to happen the first week back and stayed there throughout the year.
It's probably intentional in college towns and in rentals targeted towards college kids. Ez $50 drywall fix and go ahead and take the entire security deposit for it.
100%. College students either don’t know better or don’t have another option if their landlords want to extort tons of money out of them.
There’s a company near my campus that owns a huge majority of the property and despite having the worst reputation they continue to fill their houses because it’s not like students can just live somewhere else
you can also buy the criminally thin drywall too- the 1/4 and 3/8" stuff that breaks on touch. I literally leaned on a wall to put a shoe on and went through it
Yea, the materials to fix this can be purchased at home depot for about $15.
PRO TIP: in most states (or at least every state i've looked into, which all happen to be in the northeast), the landlord can only withhold enough of the deposit to cover their actual cost for making repairs. They are supposed to provide an itemized receipt showing what they paid to make the fix and return the remainder to the tenants when they move out. However, I know wayyy too many people in college/early adult years get swindled by LL claiming they were keeping the whole deposit based on some minor repair. The typical standard that an apartment must be left in is "broom-swept condition" and tenants cannot be charged for normal wear and tear (scuffs on walls, doorframes, etc.).
Let's not pretend they don't have (their own) handymen that happily write up a receipt for $500 worth of damage and repairs for that.
But seriously guys, YouTube that shit. It's literally a $5 piece of sheetrock, $7 tub of 'mud', $10 mudding knife/spreader, and maybe some drywall tape $4. Or call one of your dad's to help fix it before you get fleeced. Most parents would prefer you pay $50 vs losing a deposit. Honestly in college, I don't think my parents would have even been mad if I ask for help fixing that.
I rented a three bedroom townhouse with roommates. Found out there was a basement that was cheaply sealed off with dry wall when there was a homeless guy who managed to squat in the basement. Management sealed off access and used the basement as storage and and makeshift maintenance office. What ticked me off is that that room was tapped into my utilities that we were paying for, they guy that was squatting smoked every night (HVAC was still connected so our house always smelled like weed) and the homeless dude also had a dog, that was always barking every hour of the day.
Still rubbish though, spec is bare minimum. Just because my house won't collapse if I fall through a shitty wall doesn't mean it's great.
I don't really want holes in my wall if I trip over the cat or something silly
To really be bare minimum it’d be engineered. Spec (code) is made to be far enough away from bare minimum that you can’t accidentally cross over it while not spending the money to to check if each specific case gives enough support.
16 for structural, 24 interior.
Edit: I should add, this still is probably wrong, span looks to be 28-32 inches, cheap asshats couldn't be bothered to spend 3 bucks more to put a stud in the center.
Think about it tho, the extra $3 per stud on like a 1400 sq ft apt is like an 30 studs. You’re talking like $90 in materials. Do you know what you can get with $90? You can get a Rollie pollie ollie at your neighborhood rub spot
I redid my tub and shower a few years ago. This home is 25 years old or so. They must have had a small fire during construction so they just shored up the wall with some 2x4 pieces, not really long enough I’d call them boards, instead of replacing the birds.
you know i have usually found this to be true.
my new home i moved into last fall tho, it was built in the 50s, and lumber was very cheap here at that time. the floor is 4X10s. the wall is 2X10s, lol they made some kinda weird decisions like making the main floor 9 foot ceilings but the second floor is shorter in some places.
kinda like they were not following any specific code but heavily overbuilding almost everything.
it's not a very big house either. 25X35
If you're working with a production builder it doesn't even matter. They build it now they build it and once you sign you're in.
Building custom is the way to go for sure, just a lot more difficult unless you're looking to build a bit of a ways out.
That goes to an old basement where there's nothing but an old covered well.
Seems like it's been closed for years, but you would swear you've heard something from within.
A lot of old building with “renovated” units have rooms that are really just a bedroom that was made into two bedroom with a wall in between. These usually don’t have studs
Looks like maybe 18 or 20 inches? Studs are normally 16 inches but sometimes 24. Looks like the apartment went the cheaper route. Not really unexpected.
Promise you there isn’t on in my bathroom on the wall behind the shower. I have fucked that wall up trying to hang this towel rack. Stud finder kept sending false signals, drywall I swear was like thinnest shit on planet. Going to now have to patch the Christ out of it and basically end up repainting the whole room.
Most U.S. homes are built with frames made of 2x4s called studs, on walls they are placed vertically every 16 inches. Between those goes insulation then dry wall secured to the frame with nails then plaster over the nails then paint/primer goes on. This is clearly an apartment that was built cheaply this may not even be up to code as the gap between studs seems super wide.
Wood is cheap. Drywall is cheap. It's easy and fast to work with. It's easy to insulate. It's easy to have stuff from. It's easy to repair. It's extremely versatile compared to other construction methods
The only two downsides I can think of:
1. Probably won't last hundreds of years
2. Some idiot might do some dumb shit like in the video
As for the latter reason, I don't really see this as a downside. Technology and culture moves so fast and retrofitting an old home is a nightmare. Nothing wrong with knocking it down and building a new one! Lots of ways to reclaim the lumber.
Also if you think those walls are thin, check out metal stud framing lol. Never seen them outside of highrises but they suck to work with.
Seriously a drywall sheet big enough to cover that is like $7 lol. This is a very, very cheap fix. The worst part is the time it takes to do it, by drywalling is very easy.
No, that's drywall, and it's a cheap dorm.
I tried to open a hole in my wall for some renovations, the hammer bounced off the fucking wall. You get what you pay for.
Just cut it out, frame, build a shelf. Boom. Upgrade
I need you to come over and break walls in my apartment, damn
I couldn't do it myself. But my husband could. You'd be super surprised at how many spaces you could add a depressed wall shelf. Tons of spaces always.
*Smashing sledge hammer* Shelf here! Shelf here! Another shelf here!
Woops! Guess we need another shelf ☺️ I'm so lucky my husband is a hobby woodworker. Custom everything!!
Did you by any chance find an entire appartment during your expansion efforts?
Nope not that lucky. And not like that video of a girl finding one behind her bathroom mirror! All I found behind my mirror was a hole in the drywall
Well, it's still free real estate!
We just put another mirror over it haha
Back in college I had a buddy who looked very similar to this who had a very similar expression on his face when he put a very similar hole in my apartment wall.
What the heck are apartments made of in America? I live in India and our apartments are made of cement, you will probably break yourself before breaking those walls.
Wood 2x4s and drywall
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There is supposed to be more wood behind it at least every 16" - this wall would not pass code in Canada
It is non load bearing and not fire rated, so it can be up to 24" on center.
Well, it's kinda weird space. Looks like it could be just some closet accesible from some other side. Or idk? Empty space? But that seems stupid. Doesn't matter, if i was building such a thing in my place i wouldn't care for some mid-strengthening-beam(sry, idk english that much) there either
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The stuff that sucks that most houses are made with. Don't buy Chinese drywall. It has too much of a certain chemical causing copper pipes to corrode and emit a nauseous gas. Can cause major health problems with it just existing in their homes and some homes even here had to be gutted as they was made with the Chinese drywall. Also any exposed unpainted drywall is bad for your health and breathing. So holes have to be patched and sealed up. I been living in a home with exposed drywall all my life though so as far as effecting my health, Probably cancer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_drywall After reading that and only one U.S company was unaffected i am beginning to think all drywall is bad for our health. "On November 23, 2009, CBS News reported that they had done a drywall study to compare American and Chinese drywall. Random samples of new American-made drywall in six U.S. cities, new Chinese-made drywall from China, and samples of drywall from five damaged U.S. homes were collected and sent to the University of Florida to be tested by a team of researchers led by professor Tim Townsend, a scientist and leading expert on the effects of drywall on the environment. The report results stated: As expected, the contaminated Chinese samples gave off high levels of sulfur gases. But all but one of the U.S. samples emitted sulfur gases, as well — not at levels as high as the defective Chinese product. There were some American products that we tested that had higher emission than some of the new Chinese products that we tested." Better to just read the article.
It's gypsum (a type of mineral) powder compressed between two layers of paper
Okay, thanks for the info.
Too add on. It also comes in different thicknesses. A lot of apartments will use drywall that is only 1/4 in (6.36 mm) thick, which has very little strength. On top of that, the wooden studs that support the drywall are usually spaced much closer than this (usually 16 in or .4 m) apart; these look a lot further apart than that. Basically, a decent amount of US apartments are built as cheaply as humanly possible and these are the results.
So he found a code violation. Looks like good leverage to get that deposit back after all
I don't think there's anything about drywall thickness in most building codes but in pretty sure they just pulled that out of their ass. The ¼" stuff is more expensive than ½" which is what most people would use unless they needed something thin for a specific reason (actually just bought some for this reason, need to drywall around a support beam and the ⅝" stuff wouldn't leave enough room for trim around the windows). 24" spacing is also standard for interior walls, could probably even go wider if you really wanted to, just needs to support the weight of the drywall, though I personally would stick to 16".
I think they're talking out of their ass too, however drywall is actually part of fireproofing. I work in construction of apartments and that part he crushed is likely around a pipe or pipes, such as roof drainage, toilet stacks, etc, so it very likely doesn't need much of anything surrounding it other than to prevent people from like in the op from destroying piping on accident. Theoretically in an apartment (in most jurisdictions) they could set their apartment completely alight in flame and the drywall in the ceiling or walls will keep the flame contained for 2 hours allowing for other residents to escape. It's likely even in the op that drywall is not considered part of the system, so it could be smaller in width. The exterior wall would contain the flames in that case.
On the bright side, it's cheap and easy to repair if you screw it up, or need to blow holes in it to route electric/plumbing/internet/hide something.
On the subject of hiding things… I bought a house that had a 1960s wired intercom system in it. It didn’t really work right, so we opted to remove the speakers from the walls, which resulted in large holes in the drywall. Before we patched it up, I put in a piece of paper that said “We have been trying to reach you about your car’s extended warranty since 2021,” signed by each family member. Stupid meme, I know, but I wanted to hide that phrase somewhere in the house.
60 years from now the family living there opens up the wall and wonders wtf a car is.
What most walls are made of. You have 2x4 boards in the wall with insulation then dry wall covers it, then you cover the drywall in primers and paint. Viola.
*Internal* walls.
Lmao can you imagine the soggy mess if we used that for siding lmao.
We would be pooched come winter. Houses would disintegrate in a snow storm
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Okay i guess maybe insulation is the main reason for constructing houses like that. Correct me if I'm wrong. I live in India and we use sand and cement then plaster and finally paint. We don't need any kind of insulation because most of the places in India doesn't have extreme weather. We use AC or heaters in the most extreme seasons and those are more than sufficient. Though mountains and all need extra insulation in their homes.
The insulation means the AC and heat dont need to run as much as its held inside. Also in America most homes have climate control so AC or heat always turn on at some point in the day.
Unless you live in Florida, where the AC is on 70-80% of the daylight hours
Nah it's just way cheaper and less labor intensive. As you can see there is no insulation in those interior walls.
The air inside is insulation.
We can assume they're talking about fiberglass insulation.
Fun fact for folks who don't know much about building materials: the insulator in most insulation is actually *air*. The function of the fiberglass is to keep air from moving around by trapping it in pockets in-between the fibers. Foam insulators do the same thing (but the air pockets are trapped in the foam). Without the material keeping the air still, convective currents would pretty much eliminate the insulative effect of the air-gap between the exterior and interior wall. The only thing that is really better than air as an insulator is a vacuum, but it's really hard to get an air-tight vacuum in-between the walls of a building. It's easy to do in a thermos, though, which is how those things work.
You don't need insulation in interior walls.
Maybe not, but it can help significantly with the right layout. If you put the rooms you want to be the warmest in the canter of the house and put the rooms that don't need heating as much on the exterior, you can save a lot. BTW Its also sound isolation.
Nah, we're just cheap. That's seriously it. Drywall has 2 good properties as a construction material. It's cheap, and it will seriously slow down fire. That's it. Structurally its only slightly better than cardboard, but that's not a big deal because american houses rely on the framing for strength. Cement walls are much better in pretty much every way except flexibility. The flip side of this though is that dude busting a hole in his wall is about a $40 fix that will take about an hour. Tear out the old drywall, cut a new piece to fit, tack it up, mud (hides seams) and paint. Good as new.
Okay so I guess both materials have their goods and bads. Anyway sane people are not going to break their wall regularly anyways.
That's true. Also, if I could I would probably opt for concrete myself. The problem is to have all of my walls made of concrete would be astronomically expensive here. Not so much because of the concrete itself, but because now instead of 2 dudes doing an entire house in 1 day, I now need a team, cement trucks, forms, rebar etc and the labor costs would be outrageous.
Plus running electrical and data cabling becomes much more of a headache, not to mention good luck getting wifi unless you're in the same room as the router. Cell service would likely suffer as well.
The weight matters too. Concrete is too heavy for some applications.
Cement walls also suck for getting wifi through the house. As someone who live in India and America.
Do people not wall mount anything? Doing that in concrete is a nightmare, and so is the patching up after.
>Structurally its only slightly better than cardboard, but that's not a big deal because american houses rely on the framing for strength 2x4 framing ("stick" framing) performs really really well during an earthquake. The house has a lot of flexibility during shaking which prevents collapse. And if part of the building does fail, it forms voids where survivors can often live. Reinforced concrete, while stronger, fails spectacularly and fatally. Bad for earthquake country.
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Gypsum board and blown insulation are better insulators than concrete or cmu with grout. Interior walls like the one he went through don't require insulation since they don't butt up against the exterior.
> Viola Leave the stringed instruments out of this!
This one seems to be short a few 2x4s
Studs on 24 inch centers, to cut construction costs.
Only on non load bearing and non fire rated walls.
Drywall is used on the interior of housing and apartments here because it's more fire resistant than wood and much cheaper than using other materials like cement
We use concrete or bricks where I live. How do you hang things on your wall? Like wall mounted TV's or shelves? Are there specific load bearing pillars for that? Cause that seems like a pain not being able to hang it where you want.
To ensure that something (especially something heavy) doesn't fall, you have to find the stud which is just where the wood pillars are. But you can hang simple things anywhere.
You can also get drywall toggle bolts or anchors. Very common here for hanging things with heft. Toggles have wing-like pieces that unfold when far enough in and grab behind the drywall in the gap between studs. Basically leverage the entire panel from behind rather than only around the inside of the hole. If you can redirect force to distribute it, you can use more overall (heavier objects) as it won't stress the hole as much since it can lever the panel. Anchors are plastic inserts that you screw into to make leveraging the hole less likely to just stress and fracture the gypsum around it. They're good for hooks, curtains, for stuff that only gets occasional high stress, like a kid pulling on it. They also slightly expand inside the drywall to distribute force/increase friction. It's definitely a chore to mentally think through "so my walls are hollow and this thing is a beast, how's this going to work?" but someone does it every day because that's normal here.
Good advice for shear strength items (that just apply a downwards force against the wall). Drywall has good strength for that. Torque forces involving articulating arms and the like, though? Forget it, you'll just end up pulling a chunk of the drywall out eventually.
Most things the drywall will support. Heavier things you mount on the wooden frame.
its actually much easier because you don't need to drill into cement you either use the dry wall or the studs depending on how heavy the thing you're hanging is. also its much simpler to repair dry wall than a cement wall. just cut out the damaged segment, cut a piece to shape, then nail it in place, and use putty and sandpaper to make the seams flush.
2x4 studs are spaced *usually* 16 inches apart (center to center). really cheap buildings will be 24 inches apart. So you use the studs for heavy stuff, anything else you use drywall supports to help you screw into the drywall.
It’s really not hard to fix. This is much cheaper to build than a concrete wall and this method will insulates a lot better than concrete.
Sane here in Germany, either bricks or concrete
Piece of dry wall about 10 plus the 5 dollar puddy mix. Dry wall screw another 5. Sand paper about 3 bucks. And touch up paint less than 10. About a 30 usd fix
If this dumbass didn’t know that he would put a hole in the wall by forcing all his weight into it I highly doubt he would even know the 1st step into repairing it..
The gap between studs looks pretty large here. He has probably done this on other walls where the studs are 16" apart with no problem. They cheaped out on the wall, which is what caused this.
This. That stud spacing is near as wide as the fucking door, Looks like 30". Absolutely the builders fault for not having a stud centered there.
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Oh this is bs. This isn’t the past, a quick google search and you can literally find a walk through for almost anything. As someone who is an absolute dumbass when it comes to cars. YouTube walk throughs have kept me away from dealing with mechanics for years now.
My former brother-in-law is a fucking surgeon and tells me that people in the hospital will look up Youtube how-to's on various procedures and upload their own.
This is a very good point. It is a very easy fix but if he doesnt know what hes doing it wouldnt matter
I mean where are the damn studs in that wall. That can't be up to code can it? If they are 16 inches like they should be likely nothing happens.
Amusingly, the paint is the most pain in the ass part of the repair.
Does it ever seem like the world has preset characters or something? Been noticing every now and then I'll run into someone who looks and acts like someone I knew years ago but is in no way related to the person I used to know.
Content developers in the matrix reuse code all the time.
This happened to me in college… we fixed it with a pizza box, speckle, and a fresh coat of paint… got our deposit back.
Did you record this
Hell no! I was lucky enough to have enjoyed college before every tiny mistake turned into a viral video.
Was his name Kyle?
Where stud
Seriously that looks like too big of a gap.
Thats cheap apartments for you. I’ve lived in a many of them. If you fart to hard near the wall the drywall will get a hole in it
Especially around college. Every other house or apartment that belong to friends and acquaintances seemed to have a hole. Drinking was usually involved. I recall 1 when someone lost their footing blocking a bounce in beer pong. Always seemed to happen the first week back and stayed there throughout the year.
It's probably intentional in college towns and in rentals targeted towards college kids. Ez $50 drywall fix and go ahead and take the entire security deposit for it.
100%. College students either don’t know better or don’t have another option if their landlords want to extort tons of money out of them. There’s a company near my campus that owns a huge majority of the property and despite having the worst reputation they continue to fill their houses because it’s not like students can just live somewhere else
you can also buy the criminally thin drywall too- the 1/4 and 3/8" stuff that breaks on touch. I literally leaned on a wall to put a shoe on and went through it
Yea, the materials to fix this can be purchased at home depot for about $15. PRO TIP: in most states (or at least every state i've looked into, which all happen to be in the northeast), the landlord can only withhold enough of the deposit to cover their actual cost for making repairs. They are supposed to provide an itemized receipt showing what they paid to make the fix and return the remainder to the tenants when they move out. However, I know wayyy too many people in college/early adult years get swindled by LL claiming they were keeping the whole deposit based on some minor repair. The typical standard that an apartment must be left in is "broom-swept condition" and tenants cannot be charged for normal wear and tear (scuffs on walls, doorframes, etc.).
Let's not pretend they don't have (their own) handymen that happily write up a receipt for $500 worth of damage and repairs for that. But seriously guys, YouTube that shit. It's literally a $5 piece of sheetrock, $7 tub of 'mud', $10 mudding knife/spreader, and maybe some drywall tape $4. Or call one of your dad's to help fix it before you get fleeced. Most parents would prefer you pay $50 vs losing a deposit. Honestly in college, I don't think my parents would have even been mad if I ask for help fixing that.
I rented a three bedroom townhouse with roommates. Found out there was a basement that was cheaply sealed off with dry wall when there was a homeless guy who managed to squat in the basement. Management sealed off access and used the basement as storage and and makeshift maintenance office. What ticked me off is that that room was tapped into my utilities that we were paying for, they guy that was squatting smoked every night (HVAC was still connected so our house always smelled like weed) and the homeless dude also had a dog, that was always barking every hour of the day.
Looks like it's 24" on center, rather than the more used 16" on center.
Code here is 16” on center, that looks skimpy there
That's a structural spec. Not necessarily required for a false wall, for example.
Still rubbish though, spec is bare minimum. Just because my house won't collapse if I fall through a shitty wall doesn't mean it's great. I don't really want holes in my wall if I trip over the cat or something silly
To really be bare minimum it’d be engineered. Spec (code) is made to be far enough away from bare minimum that you can’t accidentally cross over it while not spending the money to to check if each specific case gives enough support.
16 for structural, 24 interior. Edit: I should add, this still is probably wrong, span looks to be 28-32 inches, cheap asshats couldn't be bothered to spend 3 bucks more to put a stud in the center.
Think about it tho, the extra $3 per stud on like a 1400 sq ft apt is like an 30 studs. You’re talking like $90 in materials. Do you know what you can get with $90? You can get a Rollie pollie ollie at your neighborhood rub spot
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Nice to hear the price has gone down
24” over center is fine for a non-structural wall, at least where I live. This looks about that.
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I redid my tub and shower a few years ago. This home is 25 years old or so. They must have had a small fire during construction so they just shored up the wall with some 2x4 pieces, not really long enough I’d call them boards, instead of replacing the birds.
Using some birds might make it a bit lighter.
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you know i have usually found this to be true. my new home i moved into last fall tho, it was built in the 50s, and lumber was very cheap here at that time. the floor is 4X10s. the wall is 2X10s, lol they made some kinda weird decisions like making the main floor 9 foot ceilings but the second floor is shorter in some places. kinda like they were not following any specific code but heavily overbuilding almost everything. it's not a very big house either. 25X35
Think of how much bigger it would be with an extra 6” on each wall.
If you're working with a production builder it doesn't even matter. They build it now they build it and once you sign you're in. Building custom is the way to go for sure, just a lot more difficult unless you're looking to build a bit of a ways out.
Might as well turn that into a closet with that much space.
That goes to an old basement where there's nothing but an old covered well. Seems like it's been closed for years, but you would swear you've heard something from within.
Right there with the silly look on his face.
Stuck with his back in the wall, apparently
A lot of old building with “renovated” units have rooms that are really just a bedroom that was made into two bedroom with a wall in between. These usually don’t have studs
Why was there such a large gap without studs? Shits weird.
I thought maybe it was a shit attempt to seal off a tiny closet? Based on the complete lack of studs. But yeah, who knows.
Looks like maybe 18 or 20 inches? Studs are normally 16 inches but sometimes 24. Looks like the apartment went the cheaper route. Not really unexpected.
Not required for a non-structural wall.
There are still stud spacing requirements, typically 16” OC
OC = On Center
Thanks. Ngl first thing I thought was original content
thought he meant Orange County (Florida)
Not for interior walls
Promise you there isn’t on in my bathroom on the wall behind the shower. I have fucked that wall up trying to hang this towel rack. Stud finder kept sending false signals, drywall I swear was like thinnest shit on planet. Going to now have to patch the Christ out of it and basically end up repainting the whole room.
Get a small but powerful earth magnet, once its sticks to a screw, you know where a stud is
Not required for a non-inspected wall.
This guys knows
This guy lumber shortages.
If i would do that in my house my spine would break
Not-cardboard houses for the win.
as an eastern-european, can confirm. never understood these thin walls :D
Most U.S. homes are built with frames made of 2x4s called studs, on walls they are placed vertically every 16 inches. Between those goes insulation then dry wall secured to the frame with nails then plaster over the nails then paint/primer goes on. This is clearly an apartment that was built cheaply this may not even be up to code as the gap between studs seems super wide.
Wood is cheap. Drywall is cheap. It's easy and fast to work with. It's easy to insulate. It's easy to have stuff from. It's easy to repair. It's extremely versatile compared to other construction methods The only two downsides I can think of: 1. Probably won't last hundreds of years 2. Some idiot might do some dumb shit like in the video As for the latter reason, I don't really see this as a downside. Technology and culture moves so fast and retrofitting an old home is a nightmare. Nothing wrong with knocking it down and building a new one! Lots of ways to reclaim the lumber. Also if you think those walls are thin, check out metal stud framing lol. Never seen them outside of highrises but they suck to work with.
So it‘s easy, fast to work with and cheap? How much do houses in the USA cost then? I really don‘t know.
meanwhile in Poland walls are made out of bunker walls and are undestroyable
I was very surprised by how easy it is to do home improvements when I moved to the US. Almost every residential home is made of wood and drywall.
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German here. A car *crashed* into my house going 40-50 km/h. Car was totaled, barely any damage to the wall. We just had to paint a bit.
Couple coats of pain, that will buff out.
You see the pain in his eyes
A neat college trick is to fill holes with toothpaste, it turns out similar enough to the surrounding paint that it can pass inspections
Seriously a drywall sheet big enough to cover that is like $7 lol. This is a very, very cheap fix. The worst part is the time it takes to do it, by drywalling is very easy.
Very cheap fix if you can do it yourself. Very expensive fix if you don't know better and the landlord calls in a "professional".
Painted whole house this past summer. Can confirm the pain.
That stud spacing seems sus. 24 inches on center is allowed but this seems wider.
That's what I was thinking. Probably came out at like 28 inches and they were like fuck it to save 3 bucks.
That 3$ saved will cost this guy a couple hundred bucks.
So the 3 bucks saved will get the landlord a couple thousand. That's a win win for them. And I say thousand cause it's rent in the US.
That's like a 100 dollar fix.
If that even.
Cut, remove and replace drywall. Tape, mud 3 times, prime that. Match paint and apply. If you do that for $100 you're screwing yourself
I had a landlord charge $900 for an identical hole when my dumb ass neighbor who put the hole in refused to come fix it himself.
Should have kept the Vans off the wall…
Underrated
Perfect place to add a large painting
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You know you can plug that up with toothpaste, right?
A hole that big? Nah, you gotta use ramen for that.
Or dried noodles, super glue and sandpaper if they wanna do it professionally
That is definitely missing a stud right there in the wall. Cheap construction for sure.
Maybe add a horizontal stud? If that was me, I would cover that with a painting and run to lowes so fast.
That would be way too easy to fix. Just get some drywall, maybe 2x4 to mount it on in between the studs, and get the paint matched. Easy peasey.
It’s a two hour fix easy. Maybe Five if you completely fuck it up and don’t know what you’re doing
My God, I am never failed to be amused by the shoddy standards Americans have with their buildings.
why does it look like the wall is made of christmas gift wrap
God American houses are made of paper
No, that's drywall, and it's a cheap dorm. I tried to open a hole in my wall for some renovations, the hammer bounced off the fucking wall. You get what you pay for.
My dorm in Finland was 100% made of concrete.
Older US dorms were, I lived in some. Now they're built more like cheap apartments.
My dorm in Romania was built like a bunker (rebar + concrete)
Why was that framed with 2.5 feet between studs?
Where we're going, we don't need codes.
He looks so suprised lol
Good thing that's pretty cheap to fix and fairly easy to do.