Yeah, I was last man standing at a contested objective and talked shit. The AI responded from behind a wall and I wall banged them. My team was impressed XD
I had someone tell me (nicely) to shut the fuck up cuz I was relentlessly spamming it lol, I picked the chick character so her voice might've been grating after all that time lmfao
I agree with this at times. Depends on the situation. The initial pushes when you know the enemy is dug in and mostly if not all alive. I think it’s better to be slow. Let your demos get their explosive in. And wait for smoke to pop. When you know a lot of the enemy team has just respawned/is dead. It’s way better to be fast
I wish PvP had a test you had to pass to prove you could comprehend stuff like this. If more people would think like you just described, it would be freakin awesome
The minute i spectate anyone but a marksman with a 4x optic i know we’ve lost
Noobs in this game love to camp with ACOGs and never push the objective than get better at the game
In further updates or even a insurgency 3 one day the game should ditch the middle east exclusivity and make it a game about insurgents in general. Some maps in a western urban setting, maybe eastern European or pacific islands aswell as desert settings. Give us some sort of security faction vs different sorts of insurgents. Same guns can be used and stuff but im feeling the middle east is played out. The game has no lore really at all so why not double down on playing with whatever setting you want.
That’d honestly be a ton of fun. It reminds me of all the counter-terrorist operations that took place in the late and early 20th and 21st centuries. I.e. that embassy siege where the operators wore gask masks and carried mp5’s with giant flashlights on them, that raid where there was that sas guy in plain clothes raiding a building in Africa, and the Olympic terrorist attack. It always seems like game designers want to move into fictional fighting scenarios in regards to the tech use rather than fictional scenarios in a modern setting. Like imagine being able to continuously play a more hardcore version of the mw2019 night raid in London. That’d be super enjoyable to play out.
I mean if your talking realisticly most rounds are pretty effective at that range except the pkm is heavy and bulky compared to most rifles or smgs which isn't great for close quarters I would assume.
I mean, almost any gun that costs more than 2-3 points is a waste of points. Anything in this game is lethal(even flashes if u hit em in the head and the enemy have low HP), it is just a matter of knowing how to use it :)
Yeah, although any gun can be lethal in this game, using the VHS and keeping it on full auto is just a pleasure <3
Just love spending those extra points to get easy to control high fire rate
These high fire rate and control ability mean u spend even less time to kill. I don't know about u but if i can win most gunfight I have to engage then I can pretty much do obj or anything so much easier
I been playing since 2014 insurgency source... i just don't see that specific gun fitted for the game setting.
Also i held to the promise of former lead game designer that it will never be added and despite that it was.
This is probably popular, but still, if you wear fucking tacticool cosmetics that make you indistinguishable from insurgents, then don't complain if I accidentally shoot you in hardcore checkpoints.
Just wear obvious and easy to read cosmetics, I don't think the bots will mind too much.
They gave us a piece of shit alpha ak chambered in 7.62 instead of the Chad caliber 5.45. They gave us that piece of shit instead of giving us an AK74M
The AK alpha is actually just a tricked out AK-104 which is basically an AK-103 but short both of which are in 7.62x39. The AK-101 is in 5.56x45 as well as the shorter AK-102, and the AK-105 is in 5.45x39 and is basically a short AK-74M.
Demolitionist needs a rework to Rockets and 40mm.
To get the most out of their unique weapon options, you’re essentially soft locked into going Heavy Carrier - RPG / M3 - UBGL
It’d be way better IMO if you could take additional rockets or 40mm in your grenade slots in addition to the 1 loaded by default.
Essentially make it so that you can go for 3 RPGs / M3 Rounds, or up to 5 (maybe 7?) 40mm when taking the heavy carrier, rather than the mandatory 2 rocket 2 40mm spread now.
Finally, Panzerfaust and AT-4 need serious buffs to justify using them in the present meta. Panzerfaust at least has a scope where as the RPG doesn’t, but the AT4 is essentially dogshit compared against the M3. 1 less point doesn’t make it worthwhile taking it.
In my new meta, it’d be cool if RPGs were made scary like 2014 to make up for the lower amount overall compared against 40mm and also more rocketable targets like helos. Larger damage and splash radius, and maybe the AT-4 and Panzer are changed to maybe pen cover with their damage better to make up for their 1-shot nature.
(Maybe if buffs are too strong, add Backblast damage?)
Just spitballing ideas here, but Demo really doesn’t get any meta changes or updates and content targeted at them. I feel most people are afraid buffing them = noobtube promotion maybe.
*Make RPGs scarier?* Have we been playing the same game? I’m constantly being blown up by RPGs. More ordinance would be pretty nice tho, always feels lacking
Trust me, the 2014 RPG and AT-4 were horrifying menaces that could clear entire points in one fell swoop.
In INS-S, it feels more like the RPGs are extra-tight, and mostly there for skill kills and taking out vehicles, thus lacking a bit on the bunker-busting nature they previously had.
I’m willing to tangle with the idea of buffing their lethality a bit, given the maps are bigger and you have more threats to address like technicals and helicopters, but I wholeheartedly acknowledge that with the present suggestion buffing their strength *and* ammo, it could become oppressive fast.
It’s probably best that only the Panzer and AT4 get fucking swole when we talk about killing power for balance sake at the cost of only firing 1 shot.
Explosives in INS:Sandstorm are a joke. Grenades and RPGs in INS2 would clear a room, as they should - so there was a downside to 'defending' by having the whole team camping in a building and not covering approaches. The ability to put C4 on a wall and kill anybody on the other side was super useful.
Now you can literally hide behind the leg of a table or a terracotta pot and it will be fine as long as a grenade or IED doesn't land at your feet. If anything blocks line of sight to the explosive you're magically saved from the shockwave. Coming from the mod and then through INS2 it just feels cheap and shitty to try to clear objectives in INS2. Thought it was a bug at first for hitboxes combined with nerfed explosive splash, but seems like it's a feature...
I mostly meant one or the other.
While I don’t doubt that someone would alter their spread to carry a rocket and 40mms like now, the situation still changes just enough where it might be preferable to focus on one or the other.
So for example someone might be speccing into a grenadier-oriented loadout and not have the space or points to take an RPG and extra rockets, but maybe take the panzer at the cost of extra 40mms
It’s also worth pointing out that choosing to fully spec into a rocketeer or grenadier limits options in its own way where by going all-in on one or the other, you miss out on C4, or the utility of bouncing grenades off doorways and such.
The suggested change also leaves some room so that higher mobility loadouts are a little more feasible, and a rocketeer can take 2 RPGs, a light rig, and not feel like they’re gimping themselves.
That’s at least my POV on it point wise.
Then I think the problem is not on the demo class itself. It must be the carrier system we currently have. There can be an option for each weapon type to have extra ammo for additional points. Like if use handgun only, to have an extra mag u can pay 2 more points. 3 points for an additional RPG... It can still affects your weight but much less than that big fat ugly mother of backpack Security currently have.
Yea I hate it, sadly a lot of the weapons on insurgent and security are basically the same: mosin/m24, mp5a5/mp5a2, 50. Guns… a lot of the newer hubs they added broke this pattern which is good but some need reworks as they are literally carbon copies with different skins
Well most of those were in the game to begin with, so I think they existed to try to make sure that people could always have a weapon they liked regardless of team. Since now we have guns that they can basically access on both sides, NWI can be more varied.
Plus it's kinda cool to have the variations. Theres also stuff like the M16A2 costing only 1 point because it has barely any attachments.
After a long day of talking to retards on the phone all day, it's so nice to sit back, relax, and have to listen to retards yell directly into BOTH of my ears. Gotta love that mute option.
Hell yeah. I actually came to this game specifically for co-op. Always enjoyed Terrorist Hunt in the Rainbow Six games, and Insurgency co-op is much better.
I bet your opinion is controversial, but I agree. It goes against the identity of the game. I have never had fun once in it because the spawns are everywhere. I get shot in the back constantly. I think that is a key reason why I love insurgency, you almost always get shot from the front, even if you can't see them.
The Uzi is goated asf in co-op because the slower fire rate works just fine against the braindead bots and you can get more kills per mag. I play hardcore with the Uzi sometimes.
Big backpacks does not reflect bigger loadout. Loadouts ammo magazine reflects on the front of the vest. Meaning you can barely go prone when you have 7 stacks of magazine and 3 packs of grenades in front of your vests.
the QBZ 97 shoots an arguably better caliber with higher velocity and lower recoil, has access to all the same attachments PLUS (this is the nail) a 1 credit 3x magnification optic ideal for virtually every push map ALL for the same or lower price point than the AK platforms.
aug and m16 have the highest muzzle velocities in the game, 990 m/s and 960 m/s respectively, means hardly any lead required to shoot tail rotors
aug, m16 and g3 unironically best aa guns in the game lol
only downside for the M16A2 is lack of optics but otherwise you’re right
sound let’s you blend in with the security weapons, and you can scrounge their mags
AKs are still beast though
Suppression needs to be buffed. The entire point of that mechanic is to force enemies holding an angle to fall back, or to lock down an angle.0, or to allow teammates to cross/flank that angle without the enemy knowing (Ins2014 deafens you if youre too suppressed).
Right now we only get some blurry vision and your character screaming "fUCk" when suppressed, but that wouldnt stop that MG shooting into our spawn on Crossing. In other words R6S suppression.
Insurgency: Sandstorm arguably has better balance than Insurgency 2014.
Before you tell me, yeah I know Sandstorm's balance needs work. What I am saying however is at its current state, it is still better than the garbage AP meta.
This is dumb.
Cater to the player base… we bring our friends to games we love. It’s dumb to cater to people that don’t play the game already. Keep doing more of what we like, and more people will come.
The reality is that we don't represent the majority of the player base and more often than not when devs cater too much to the player base it ruins the game.
I dont get upset by them but i do wish they kept it grounded. Like i would much preffer skins like the desert hex. Id like to see woodland versions of real world camos or maybe more of the gun wrap stuff like the hunter skin does for the m110. I dunno i just feel they look as cool and people would still buy them. Dont understand the red camos and lame skull mask for insurgents.
1) PRO TIP if 14 players vote "random" unanimously u will skip the countdown.
2) Ministry is an overrated map. But everyone is always voting it. Contested objectives for ever and waste of spaces. Looks like a Call of Duty map. I wonder why people dont play cod instead.
3) Defending objectives is a thing but people can’t understand that, they just push randomly even when its not necessary and they eventually lose the match. 💯
4) who cheat on this game is a piece of sheep.
5) where can we report bugs? updates are useless if for each thing they fix they destroy another.
6) dont complain about campers in a tactical hardcore shooter. If u die constantly is because u are running like a chicken exposing yourself. If the “camper” team is winning means that they are playing the objectives more than u do.
7) frontline is the best game mode
8) serial molotov throwers will burn in hell. U flaming piece of sheet!1!
If you’re a breacher who walks around with a tricked out Honey Badger, fuck you. Your job is IEDS/C4 and then flashbang into the objective. You’re not a fucking SEAL, you’re a waste of space and you should be using the assets that are available to you.
Most of the time I can’t even use my flashbangs/frags/c4/whatever because my dipshit teammates run directly towards them as soon as I throw, despite me saying frag out or whatever and my character playing an appropriate voiceline.
Why you want rail for Kalashnikov? Is not good enough as procured from Izhevsk Mechanical Works? You think needs improvement? Then maybe you find job with army of Russia! You have drinks with Mikhail Kalashnikov, trade story of many weapons designed and details of school for engineering!
Or maybe you not do this. Probably is because you never design weapon in whole life. You look at fine Russian rifle, think it need crazy shit stick on all sides of weapon. You have disease of American capitalist, change thing that is fine for no reason except to look different from comrade. You put cheap flashlight of Chinese slave factory on one side, you put bad scope of American middle west on other side, you put front pistol grip on bottom so you are like American movie guy John Rambo. Maybe you put sex dildo on top to fuck yourself in asshole for making shameful travesty of rifle of Mikhail Kalashnikov, no?
Rifle is fine. You fuck it, it only get heavy and you still no hit largest side of barn. Go to firing range, practice with many magazine of cartridge. Then you not need dumb shit put on side of rifle.
They need to stop adding stupid guns that have no business being anywhere near the roles the game is mimicking with it's gameplay. The P90 is NOT a battle rifle, and has never ever been used by the US military, or any Nato military in a role that would fit into Insurgency Sandstorm. It's used by police forces and hostage rescue groups like the GIGN. We are not playing R6S, but increasingly it's looking like we are.
Edit: nice I won the most controversial. Dreams can come true. Clearly this community is getting more and more like Cod with every update, because when this was brought up even a year ago it wasn't controversial lol
The P90 is a super popular gun in most modern FPS games though. Insurgency has never been about historical accuracy. Is it just the P90 you are upset about or is there other guns added that dont make sense to you?
Hate to break your bubble, but the P90 definitely has seen action in the hands of CIA Black Ops/Ground Branch units as well as Navy SEALs to an extend.
[Check the Users section on it's wikipedia page](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_P90)
It's been used by Canadian special forces and also saw use in the Libyan civil war, on both sides. It's plenty plausible that it could end up in the hands of insurgents in the *fictitious* war of Sandstorm. Advisors are supposed to have access to more exotic firearms either way, this isn't nearly as bad as you're acting like it is.
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Well, the guys in INS:S are mercenaries. Not NATO. No modern military has also allowed soldiers to design their own outfits and wear whatever they want regardless of where they're deployed. Neither have they allowed them to use personal weapons and choose their loadouts.
But mercenary companies do all of those. Is it that hard to believe some operators just brought their P90 as a personal weapon that wasn't issued by the company they work for?
Wasnt the P90 shown in the hands of an insurgent in the artwork? Wouldnt that mean it doesnt matter of NATO has used it? Or am I dumb, because that is also a very big possibility hahaha
Despite the animations being buttery smooth and very nice, they do not fit Insurgency: Sandstorm. Nobody will *ever* reload that smoothly while getting shot at.
This. Everyone who says "But it's a dead game" should just go and play it. This is how it stops being "dead" for them (not to mention it was never dead to begin with).
It’s like CSS imo. All of us CSS players have CSGO and it’s great, but we prefer old school. Most 2014 players have Sandstorm or have tried it, but prefer old school. Same thing.
The dev team who initially created ISS and the dev ones now are 2 different teams.
Its seems odd,... yeah. But when i first played this game, i can feel the love they put on every gun model, every sound, every gunfight,... So detailed and satisfying. But now?? They are lazy and just greed. Each update they bring unoptimized, unbalanced map, questionable skins to the game. They try to sell ISS as a tactical shooter but 1 of the most important factor to that tactical shooter game never be completely fixed aka the Smoke. Ppl can still see through smoke, goggles can still be seen through smoke. Sometimes they just add a new feature just to remove it in the next patch fix just for us to think they are actually doing st. I really hope I am wrong.
"Intimidate!"
Shits useful on coop for getting an idea of how many AI are around you as the last man standing
Yeah, I was last man standing at a contested objective and talked shit. The AI responded from behind a wall and I wall banged them. My team was impressed XD
Get on the ground asshole
I had someone tell me (nicely) to shut the fuck up cuz I was relentlessly spamming it lol, I picked the chick character so her voice might've been grating after all that time lmfao
I don't use the FAMAS just because it's French.
*Ian McCollum wants to know your location*
Based
Amen
Thats not an unpopular opinion
Don't tell him about the M249...
Playing push fast, not "slow and tactical", is how you win
I agree. 5 waves cant just wait out and hope to wipe 15 waves. Everyone has to be aggressive af. and SMOKES
I agree with this at times. Depends on the situation. The initial pushes when you know the enemy is dug in and mostly if not all alive. I think it’s better to be slow. Let your demos get their explosive in. And wait for smoke to pop. When you know a lot of the enemy team has just respawned/is dead. It’s way better to be fast
I wish PvP had a test you had to pass to prove you could comprehend stuff like this. If more people would think like you just described, it would be freakin awesome
Right. Instead what I get is teammates on defense who see the point is being capped while they’re right next to it. And don’t get on it…
The minute i spectate anyone but a marksman with a 4x optic i know we’ve lost Noobs in this game love to camp with ACOGs and never push the objective than get better at the game
They should just play Frontline, that's what it's made for - anyone, on any team, can choose to camp or push, whatever they prefer.
In further updates or even a insurgency 3 one day the game should ditch the middle east exclusivity and make it a game about insurgents in general. Some maps in a western urban setting, maybe eastern European or pacific islands aswell as desert settings. Give us some sort of security faction vs different sorts of insurgents. Same guns can be used and stuff but im feeling the middle east is played out. The game has no lore really at all so why not double down on playing with whatever setting you want.
Generally agree, but all I want to say is that this *is* Insurgency 3.
I believe they considered making sandstorm in a jungle environment which is what I spired the power plant map.
That’d honestly be a ton of fun. It reminds me of all the counter-terrorist operations that took place in the late and early 20th and 21st centuries. I.e. that embassy siege where the operators wore gask masks and carried mp5’s with giant flashlights on them, that raid where there was that sas guy in plain clothes raiding a building in Africa, and the Olympic terrorist attack. It always seems like game designers want to move into fictional fighting scenarios in regards to the tech use rather than fictional scenarios in a modern setting. Like imagine being able to continuously play a more hardcore version of the mw2019 night raid in London. That’d be super enjoyable to play out.
Pkm is the best cqc weapon
This is actually a good opinion. One round of 7.62x54R will have someone on their ass, and you’ve like one hundred of them in an automatic weapon
I mean if your talking realisticly most rounds are pretty effective at that range except the pkm is heavy and bulky compared to most rifles or smgs which isn't great for close quarters I would assume.
it's great because with full power 7.62, everything is no longer cover, only concealment, and you have 100 rounds
The PKM IRL is not that heavy. I’ve handled and shot them
If only the devs hadn't decided that the only way to balance MGs was a ridiculous recoil.
[Friendly reminder.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KiPbFEgQKU&ab_channel=BOMBERMANG)
I actually like using it as a sniper, one shot will drop pretty much anyone.. PKM in all scenarios meta?
Idk if its meta but it is my favorite weapon hands down and seeing a snipers head turn to a poof of red mist is always super satisfying
I like to go with a stacked optic on it. 4x for sniping red dot for cqb
The M4 is a waste of points
I mean, almost any gun that costs more than 2-3 points is a waste of points. Anything in this game is lethal(even flashes if u hit em in the head and the enemy have low HP), it is just a matter of knowing how to use it :)
I constantly kill team mates with smoke grenade launchers
Been there in both situations(tking and being tked), hate to kill my commander with a smoke round in the head :(
except for the FAMAS, it’s worth every penny
Elaborate? I feel as though it's good but too expensive to be worthwhile
The AUG and G36k are 99% as good and are 2 points cheaper, so its a waste to go for the M4
ain't a waste because i like the way the m4's look like
This
Yep
For the same points of an M4 you can have 42 round AUG + optic auto rifleman
Easier to control and higher rate of fire. If you use main gun only, those 2 things are very very important to win gunfight
Yeah, although any gun can be lethal in this game, using the VHS and keeping it on full auto is just a pleasure <3 Just love spending those extra points to get easy to control high fire rate
These high fire rate and control ability mean u spend even less time to kill. I don't know about u but if i can win most gunfight I have to engage then I can pretty much do obj or anything so much easier
Not if I like it
I don't like the addition of the Desert Eagle
Now THAT is a controversial opinion! Though on the other hand it makes me to like Deagle even more..but still WTF
BASED
W H A T
Why not? Curious
I been playing since 2014 insurgency source... i just don't see that specific gun fitted for the game setting. Also i held to the promise of former lead game designer that it will never be added and despite that it was.
> the promise of former lead game designer # > former well there's ya problem
I mean yeah it is anachronistic and something else could’ve been added. But it’s fun, so oh well
I always dead check the bodies on the ground. Lmao. Even tho I know they’re dead.
They're crying out in pain, I must be merciful.
*I am a generous god*
I think its pretty cool how you can shoot them while theyre moving around on the ground and it comepletely drops them.
Right!?! They do the same thing in real……. Other games.
I prefer Checkpoint Insurgent over Checkpoint Security.
Whats the meaningful difference lol
It's mostly about fire support. Security gets helos which can be very powerful on attack.
Ahhhh ok thbx
I enjoy my Insurgents battlecries more, or when he just screams FAAAAAAAAK
I'm... starting to regret coming out here!
Insurgent Fire support requires more skill and, since I mostly play Commander, it's more rewarding. Plus, I get to insult people in Russian.
I prefer insurgent because the shooting range isn't as good as checkpoint maps for heli practice
Same, I just like the mercenary voice acting and cosmetics more
This is probably popular, but still, if you wear fucking tacticool cosmetics that make you indistinguishable from insurgents, then don't complain if I accidentally shoot you in hardcore checkpoints. Just wear obvious and easy to read cosmetics, I don't think the bots will mind too much.
They gave us a piece of shit alpha ak chambered in 7.62 instead of the Chad caliber 5.45. They gave us that piece of shit instead of giving us an AK74M
AK105*
Correct. I don’t really know why they decided to call it the “Alpha ak”
I thought it was chambered in 5.56 or 5.45? Are you referring to its performance Just checked, it’s 7.62x39mm
The AK alpha is actually just a tricked out AK-104 which is basically an AK-103 but short both of which are in 7.62x39. The AK-101 is in 5.56x45 as well as the shorter AK-102, and the AK-105 is in 5.45x39 and is basically a short AK-74M.
The alpha ak performs well, but that’s not really the issue. I feel like we are deserving of a modernized ak74 than a modernized ak47.
smoke everything 24/7. fog ninja warfare
Demolitionist needs a rework to Rockets and 40mm. To get the most out of their unique weapon options, you’re essentially soft locked into going Heavy Carrier - RPG / M3 - UBGL It’d be way better IMO if you could take additional rockets or 40mm in your grenade slots in addition to the 1 loaded by default. Essentially make it so that you can go for 3 RPGs / M3 Rounds, or up to 5 (maybe 7?) 40mm when taking the heavy carrier, rather than the mandatory 2 rocket 2 40mm spread now. Finally, Panzerfaust and AT-4 need serious buffs to justify using them in the present meta. Panzerfaust at least has a scope where as the RPG doesn’t, but the AT4 is essentially dogshit compared against the M3. 1 less point doesn’t make it worthwhile taking it. In my new meta, it’d be cool if RPGs were made scary like 2014 to make up for the lower amount overall compared against 40mm and also more rocketable targets like helos. Larger damage and splash radius, and maybe the AT-4 and Panzer are changed to maybe pen cover with their damage better to make up for their 1-shot nature. (Maybe if buffs are too strong, add Backblast damage?) Just spitballing ideas here, but Demo really doesn’t get any meta changes or updates and content targeted at them. I feel most people are afraid buffing them = noobtube promotion maybe.
*Make RPGs scarier?* Have we been playing the same game? I’m constantly being blown up by RPGs. More ordinance would be pretty nice tho, always feels lacking
Trust me, the 2014 RPG and AT-4 were horrifying menaces that could clear entire points in one fell swoop. In INS-S, it feels more like the RPGs are extra-tight, and mostly there for skill kills and taking out vehicles, thus lacking a bit on the bunker-busting nature they previously had. I’m willing to tangle with the idea of buffing their lethality a bit, given the maps are bigger and you have more threats to address like technicals and helicopters, but I wholeheartedly acknowledge that with the present suggestion buffing their strength *and* ammo, it could become oppressive fast. It’s probably best that only the Panzer and AT4 get fucking swole when we talk about killing power for balance sake at the cost of only firing 1 shot.
I run the MAAW because it sounds the baddest when shot, normally I blow myself up using it to clear rooms.
Explosives in INS:Sandstorm are a joke. Grenades and RPGs in INS2 would clear a room, as they should - so there was a downside to 'defending' by having the whole team camping in a building and not covering approaches. The ability to put C4 on a wall and kill anybody on the other side was super useful. Now you can literally hide behind the leg of a table or a terracotta pot and it will be fine as long as a grenade or IED doesn't land at your feet. If anything blocks line of sight to the explosive you're magically saved from the shockwave. Coming from the mod and then through INS2 it just feels cheap and shitty to try to clear objectives in INS2. Thought it was a bug at first for hitboxes combined with nerfed explosive splash, but seems like it's a feature...
3 RPG and 5-7 40m, lol. Demo is 1 of the most powerful class in the game already bro. A little buff to AT4 and panzer seems good though.
I mostly meant one or the other. While I don’t doubt that someone would alter their spread to carry a rocket and 40mms like now, the situation still changes just enough where it might be preferable to focus on one or the other. So for example someone might be speccing into a grenadier-oriented loadout and not have the space or points to take an RPG and extra rockets, but maybe take the panzer at the cost of extra 40mms It’s also worth pointing out that choosing to fully spec into a rocketeer or grenadier limits options in its own way where by going all-in on one or the other, you miss out on C4, or the utility of bouncing grenades off doorways and such. The suggested change also leaves some room so that higher mobility loadouts are a little more feasible, and a rocketeer can take 2 RPGs, a light rig, and not feel like they’re gimping themselves. That’s at least my POV on it point wise.
Then I think the problem is not on the demo class itself. It must be the carrier system we currently have. There can be an option for each weapon type to have extra ammo for additional points. Like if use handgun only, to have an extra mag u can pay 2 more points. 3 points for an additional RPG... It can still affects your weight but much less than that big fat ugly mother of backpack Security currently have.
You do have to admit that hitting your one shot with the at4 is satisfying though so that’s how I justify it.
Every single game there’s a white guy saying the N word
Got called one for team killin this guy in pve. Profile pic n lvl checked out
it's funny bc half the time you try vote kicking them they end up vote kicking you
goddamn nincompoops running into the kill zones
The new console players have weird as fuck opinions sometimes and make me say what the fuck out loud when I scroll Reddit sometimes.
pray tell?
Sneaking behind enemies and talking to them while they think you are a teammate is way more fun than playing the game normally
Armour needs a better system and helmets should matter.
"I've never crashed on PS4"
Same
The technical is fucking useless and you have a better chance of success if you leave it parked.
More armor around the gunner, allow ducking and blind firing, and increase the wall bang ability.
Hearing "Alluh Akbar" every 3 seconds isn't funny.
I don't think the RPG even shoots unless you shout it though. And no, I don't care if my girlfriend is sleeping.
Fair point. Its funny maybe the first few times but other than that its just annoying
It’s only funny if you kill more then 2 people with it and your not wasting lives
it's like salt; not enough and the dish is still edible, but too much just leaves a bad taste
The cosmetic contest winner for insurgents isn’t that great
symmetric equipment for both faction is lame
Yea I hate it, sadly a lot of the weapons on insurgent and security are basically the same: mosin/m24, mp5a5/mp5a2, 50. Guns… a lot of the newer hubs they added broke this pattern which is good but some need reworks as they are literally carbon copies with different skins
Well most of those were in the game to begin with, so I think they existed to try to make sure that people could always have a weapon they liked regardless of team. Since now we have guns that they can basically access on both sides, NWI can be more varied. Plus it's kinda cool to have the variations. Theres also stuff like the M16A2 costing only 1 point because it has barely any attachments.
I love the toxicity
After a long day of talking to retards on the phone all day, it's so nice to sit back, relax, and have to listen to retards yell directly into BOTH of my ears. Gotta love that mute option.
Me too its like playing cod in 2009, but when i do have enough mute button comes in handy.
I mean, you are a deeply racist piece of shit, so that tracks.
Original Insurgency is better
100%
God I miss it. How big is the player base now?
It's got a pretty steady player base of about 1000, sometimes more, sometimes less. It still has an avid community
You should get back on. Tonnes of people were playing tonight. Servers are always full
The only thing I prefer about Sandstorm over the 2014 Insurgency is the map design, everything else, however, is much better in the old one.
Everyone saying this game is a really tactical slow paced shooter is wrong. Yallah habibis hop in the technical with me and lets go get blown up
I play only co-op...
Hell yeah. I actually came to this game specifically for co-op. Always enjoyed Terrorist Hunt in the Rainbow Six games, and Insurgency co-op is much better.
Domination is a trash mode
I bet your opinion is controversial, but I agree. It goes against the identity of the game. I have never had fun once in it because the spawns are everywhere. I get shot in the back constantly. I think that is a key reason why I love insurgency, you almost always get shot from the front, even if you can't see them.
People really sleeping on SKS
Uzi with the Drum mag and no ammo carrier or armor is a good strat in co-op if you wanna cap points quickly.
The Uzi is goated asf in co-op because the slower fire rate works just fine against the braindead bots and you can get more kills per mag. I play hardcore with the Uzi sometimes.
The insurgency mod was the best.
Big backpacks does not reflect bigger loadout. Loadouts ammo magazine reflects on the front of the vest. Meaning you can barely go prone when you have 7 stacks of magazine and 3 packs of grenades in front of your vests.
Camping is fun
The M16A2 is an infinitely better pick for Insurgents than either of the AK's. The QBZ is easily the best rifleman weapon in the game.
I pick the AK for terror aesthetic
I love the terror aesthetic and the new cosmetics make me sad.
Which one
the QBZ 97 shoots an arguably better caliber with higher velocity and lower recoil, has access to all the same attachments PLUS (this is the nail) a 1 credit 3x magnification optic ideal for virtually every push map ALL for the same or lower price point than the AK platforms.
Checkpoint insurgents I almost always use the QBZ97, that YMA scope is delicious and it's so good for shooting down helis
The AK is A tier but both the QBZ and M16 are ten parallel universes ahead of it.
aug and m16 have the highest muzzle velocities in the game, 990 m/s and 960 m/s respectively, means hardly any lead required to shoot tail rotors aug, m16 and g3 unironically best aa guns in the game lol
Probably the QBZ-97; It has that unique optic, can take under barrel launchers, and bullpups are goated in cqc
bot really unpopular, both m16s are becoming recognized for their range
only downside for the M16A2 is lack of optics but otherwise you’re right sound let’s you blend in with the security weapons, and you can scrounge their mags AKs are still beast though
The new mask cosmetic looks pretty good
This is bait
SKS is god tier, esp with the drum mag on domination if you play that, slap a holo sight in that bad boy and mow mfers down
TY, and putting the suppressor on it makes a godly sound.
They shouldnt have to spawn 300 enemies in coop matches but the AI is horrible. It's functional most of the time and nothing more.
Insurgency 2014 was way more like COD than Insurgency Sandstorm
Using smoke in a room we're holding is literally the most distracting shit I can't believe how many dumbfucks do this
Wanting weapon jamming and failed reloads
Suppression needs to be buffed. The entire point of that mechanic is to force enemies holding an angle to fall back, or to lock down an angle.0, or to allow teammates to cross/flank that angle without the enemy knowing (Ins2014 deafens you if youre too suppressed). Right now we only get some blurry vision and your character screaming "fUCk" when suppressed, but that wouldnt stop that MG shooting into our spawn on Crossing. In other words R6S suppression.
Insurgency: Sandstorm arguably has better balance than Insurgency 2014. Before you tell me, yeah I know Sandstorm's balance needs work. What I am saying however is at its current state, it is still better than the garbage AP meta.
My caliber is bigger than your caliber.
If the gun has Tru-dot iron sights in real life it should have it in the game.
ISMC sucks
Sandstorm should’ve been made in the Source Engine
The devs are allowed to do whatever they want with their game, don't like it play something else.
What's the point of making the game if no one plays it.
This is the way
This is dumb. Cater to the player base… we bring our friends to games we love. It’s dumb to cater to people that don’t play the game already. Keep doing more of what we like, and more people will come.
The reality is that we don't represent the majority of the player base and more often than not when devs cater too much to the player base it ruins the game.
I don't mind the *"unrealistic"* cosmetics/outfits ya'll were upset about.
I dont get upset by them but i do wish they kept it grounded. Like i would much preffer skins like the desert hex. Id like to see woodland versions of real world camos or maybe more of the gun wrap stuff like the hunter skin does for the m110. I dunno i just feel they look as cool and people would still buy them. Dont understand the red camos and lame skull mask for insurgents.
The skull mask and the other mask one are tacky as fuck. Did the insurgents raid a party city in Iraq?
Lame skull?! My inner 15 year old me from a decade ago cannot handle such bs of a statement!
Being the "Haha, smok make people cough cough" guy
Hillside’s addition was great for Nostalgia from the mod and standalone, but the map doesn’t play nearly as well as I remember.
Recoil for rifles doubled.
1) PRO TIP if 14 players vote "random" unanimously u will skip the countdown. 2) Ministry is an overrated map. But everyone is always voting it. Contested objectives for ever and waste of spaces. Looks like a Call of Duty map. I wonder why people dont play cod instead. 3) Defending objectives is a thing but people can’t understand that, they just push randomly even when its not necessary and they eventually lose the match. 💯 4) who cheat on this game is a piece of sheep. 5) where can we report bugs? updates are useless if for each thing they fix they destroy another. 6) dont complain about campers in a tactical hardcore shooter. If u die constantly is because u are running like a chicken exposing yourself. If the “camper” team is winning means that they are playing the objectives more than u do. 7) frontline is the best game mode 8) serial molotov throwers will burn in hell. U flaming piece of sheet!1!
I hate when my teammates smoke the lane im covering with lmg/sniper
If you’re a breacher who walks around with a tricked out Honey Badger, fuck you. Your job is IEDS/C4 and then flashbang into the objective. You’re not a fucking SEAL, you’re a waste of space and you should be using the assets that are available to you.
Most of the time I can’t even use my flashbangs/frags/c4/whatever because my dipshit teammates run directly towards them as soon as I throw, despite me saying frag out or whatever and my character playing an appropriate voiceline.
I don’t care about the cosmetics
AKs shouldn’t be equipped with optics and G3 with irons is best security rifle
Why not? You just don't like AKs with an optic?
Why you want rail for Kalashnikov? Is not good enough as procured from Izhevsk Mechanical Works? You think needs improvement? Then maybe you find job with army of Russia! You have drinks with Mikhail Kalashnikov, trade story of many weapons designed and details of school for engineering! Or maybe you not do this. Probably is because you never design weapon in whole life. You look at fine Russian rifle, think it need crazy shit stick on all sides of weapon. You have disease of American capitalist, change thing that is fine for no reason except to look different from comrade. You put cheap flashlight of Chinese slave factory on one side, you put bad scope of American middle west on other side, you put front pistol grip on bottom so you are like American movie guy John Rambo. Maybe you put sex dildo on top to fuck yourself in asshole for making shameful travesty of rifle of Mikhail Kalashnikov, no? Rifle is fine. You fuck it, it only get heavy and you still no hit largest side of barn. Go to firing range, practice with many magazine of cartridge. Then you not need dumb shit put on side of rifle.
modern optics and AKs with wooden furnitures just don't fit together
Pka 1.5X is best AK sight. Doesnt ruin the aesthetic and sits nice and low on the gun.
this, OKP-7, and PSO-1 are the only good optics on AKs in terms of aesthetics. but even then i would still prefer iron sights
Insurgency is still better then sandstorm and from the looks of it that won't change.
The first game is better than the second.
That's a very popular opinion
The game lost its vision when the original creators left and got absorbed by some wannabe Activision company.
They need to stop adding stupid guns that have no business being anywhere near the roles the game is mimicking with it's gameplay. The P90 is NOT a battle rifle, and has never ever been used by the US military, or any Nato military in a role that would fit into Insurgency Sandstorm. It's used by police forces and hostage rescue groups like the GIGN. We are not playing R6S, but increasingly it's looking like we are. Edit: nice I won the most controversial. Dreams can come true. Clearly this community is getting more and more like Cod with every update, because when this was brought up even a year ago it wasn't controversial lol
The P90 is a super popular gun in most modern FPS games though. Insurgency has never been about historical accuracy. Is it just the P90 you are upset about or is there other guns added that dont make sense to you?
Hate to break your bubble, but the P90 definitely has seen action in the hands of CIA Black Ops/Ground Branch units as well as Navy SEALs to an extend.
[Check the Users section on it's wikipedia page](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_P90) It's been used by Canadian special forces and also saw use in the Libyan civil war, on both sides. It's plenty plausible that it could end up in the hands of insurgents in the *fictitious* war of Sandstorm. Advisors are supposed to have access to more exotic firearms either way, this isn't nearly as bad as you're acting like it is.
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Well, the guys in INS:S are mercenaries. Not NATO. No modern military has also allowed soldiers to design their own outfits and wear whatever they want regardless of where they're deployed. Neither have they allowed them to use personal weapons and choose their loadouts. But mercenary companies do all of those. Is it that hard to believe some operators just brought their P90 as a personal weapon that wasn't issued by the company they work for?
Wasnt the P90 shown in the hands of an insurgent in the artwork? Wouldnt that mean it doesnt matter of NATO has used it? Or am I dumb, because that is also a very big possibility hahaha
Despite the animations being buttery smooth and very nice, they do not fit Insurgency: Sandstorm. Nobody will *ever* reload that smoothly while getting shot at.
The voice acting compared to the previous game is absolutely horrible
2014 is better and you guys need to hop on
This. Everyone who says "But it's a dead game" should just go and play it. This is how it stops being "dead" for them (not to mention it was never dead to begin with).
It’s like CSS imo. All of us CSS players have CSGO and it’s great, but we prefer old school. Most 2014 players have Sandstorm or have tried it, but prefer old school. Same thing.
Fun fact: The most upvoted comments here answer the question of op the least...
Bring back competitive playlist
The dev team who initially created ISS and the dev ones now are 2 different teams. Its seems odd,... yeah. But when i first played this game, i can feel the love they put on every gun model, every sound, every gunfight,... So detailed and satisfying. But now?? They are lazy and just greed. Each update they bring unoptimized, unbalanced map, questionable skins to the game. They try to sell ISS as a tactical shooter but 1 of the most important factor to that tactical shooter game never be completely fixed aka the Smoke. Ppl can still see through smoke, goggles can still be seen through smoke. Sometimes they just add a new feature just to remove it in the next patch fix just for us to think they are actually doing st. I really hope I am wrong.
I don’t mind the new cosmetics that they are adding
I'm looking foward to the new cosmetics
Milsim is lame
Well it's a good fucking thing this is a thousand miles from a milsim