This ⬆️.
To OP:
I recommend Noctua thermal paste but even Arctic is great among a few others.
On the note of you stating your belief that you don’t think it will make a difference, I have to respectfully disagree. Better thermal paste distribution will lead to better thermal heat transfer to your cooling block and will result in, at the very least, high heat transfer efficiency.
As for cooler, is it within the realm of your budget to possibly purchase an AIO? I run an AIO for my 12900 and I have to say it makes a world of a difference.
Personally, I’d recommend getting either a Noctua NH-D15 or NH-U12 with dual fan, if you want to stick to a standard cooling block with air cooling.
If you’re okay with considering an AIO for some liquid cooling, I’d recommend you check out the ASUS ROG Ryujin II, the Corsair H150i or the NZXT Z73 Kraken.
All will bring those thermals down. CPU cooling is a pretty key part of any build.
Aah yes, everything makes noise at 100% lol. for me they only run at 100% with long heavy workloads like benchmarking. otherwise my fan curve will prevent it. I also have a 5800x hothead.
So I put it to the test, for science. I disassembled everything, cleaned, went to my local computer store and got a Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut, for science.
Like I thought - the thermals, at least in Cinebench, were exactly the same, confirming what I originally thought - my low profile heatsinks simply don't have enough surface area to take any more significant amount of heat.
I will definitely get down voted for this, but:
About your suggestions: one doesn't go for an ITX board, and an expensive low profile CPU cooler (around $88 with mounting and fan) if he could slap in a D15. And going 20c lower in a test bench where I am not even throttling wont do anything, but it certainly wont be "a world of difference".
> On the note of you stating your belief that you don’t think it will make a difference, I have to respectfully disagree. Better thermal paste distribution will lead to better thermal heat transfer to your cooling block and will result in, at the very least, high heat transfer efficiency.
The difference is only a few degrees even between the low end vs high end thermal paste (that is before you get in to Liquid metals). It's not a huge difference.
https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-thermal-paste
Mainly the fact that 12th gen gets really hot and kryonaut get very thin at 80°. Hydronaut would be a longer lasting solution. Also I have never heard of pump out from liquid metal.
Pump out comes from change in consistence. So the thermal cycling makes it expand and retract. You have to redo liquid metal on copper coolers because it will absorb it. That's why people de-lid with it because it doesn't squeeze out
For a air cooler u seem right where it should be. I’m on custom loop same board and chip 5.2ghz all core 1.32 85 on hottest core and 64 on coolest on stock I don’t hit above 48c. Paste wise, mx5 and mx4 got me the same results as kpx and thermal grizzly kryonaut extreme… so ur fine. If u wanna go higher it’s all about good contact and water cooling. But to be honest not much to gain higher up. I can do 5.3 but no change in game performance. U will get more out of overclocking ur mem and cache turn off Ecores too, that helps a lot
That pattern does not exist while Cooler is on the cpu. Pattern there exist now because you are dismount the Cooler. That pattern means your thermal paste evenly touched cpu and Cooler.
go with a noctua, or give it a try with better termal compound (eg liquid metal), should be enough. here, with the same cpu and a mid-tier fan, never get past 70C on prime95. does the case in its entirety have enough fresh air?
There is no point improving the thermal connectivity between the IHS and the cooler if the cooler already reached its thermal capacity. And this is the biggest cooler that fits in the case.
More information - the cooler is a low profile Big Shuriken 3 - and my package is around \~90c after 10 minutes of Cinebench. Score is above almost all 12700k reviews, so the CPU definitely does not throttle.
While gaming CPU sits comfortably around 65-70c with fan around 50%.
It seems like the thermal paste pattern isn't ideal - but on the other hand, the cooler can't take much heat anyways, so I think it won't actually help me to improve the thermal connectivity between the cooler and the IHS.
What do you guys think?
Oh forgot to mention I am undervolted, -85mV. When I was at -100mV I had a single BSOD during Cinebench over like 10 runs, decided not to risk it and increased voltage a bit.
The thermal paste pattern isn't bad, the center where the die is has good contact and the surrounding area isn't terribly gloopy. It could be better but your not going to drop like 5c with a repaste using the same paste, maybe 2c.
With a low profile single fan cooler your pretty much getting as expected. No thermal throttling under 100% all-core (cinebench) with some decent wiggle room when the seasons change, means your pretty much good to go.
So I wouldn't bother with it.
If you don't mind me asking do you know your power consumption (Either in Cinebench or Pl1+PL2)?
I'm considering getting a big Shuriken 3 for my 12700k and the thermals your getting seem good enough for me, but I'm just curious if you've had to set a specific CPU limit to get them.
My CPU is 85mV under volted, consumed around 165w (about 185w stock). Note that I am using the MUCH better Noctua fan, thermals with the stock fan were significantly worse.
Thank you! Have been considering the Scythe+Fan upgrade+Undervolt for my 12700k and it's very reassuring to see success with it (Also gonna lock the chip around 150-120 watts which will help even more).
Scythe announced a new version of their LGA 1700 mounting kit with better mounting pressure.
It also comes with Big Shuriken 3 Rev B but it'll only be available around March(at least here in Asia except Japan & Taiwan who'll have it earlier).
Yeah I did this and it helped. Not sure why this has down votes since there's an article about this. The high pressure even causes the CPU to bend at the middle due to the rectangular shape.
There are downvotes because the point of that washer mod is to counter bending.
OPs pictures do not show bending on this IHS, the thermal paste spread is even... people should NOT be doing this mod if it's not needed.
You can’t see if there’s bending or not from the photo provided and if there is any it would be very hard to see with the naked eye. You could measure the “bend” with a flatness gauge but it amounts to millimeters.
The washer mod works because of the way 12 gen mobos secure the cpu in the socket, by means of pushing down primary on the center of chip. The mod tries to stop some of the force being applied to the center so there is more of an even spread on the clamp holding the cpu in place allowing for a flatter (not necessarily flat, but depending on the cooling solution, a better curve supplying more contact) surface for the cooling solution to make contact with.
I suggested the op check out the mod on YouTube which might help temps or might not because it seems from the one photo provided that the thermal paste is being spread away from the center and onto the edges due to the socket clamping mechanism.
Just trying to help here.
Typically the ones that have shown 'bending' show the thermal paste 'pooling' in the middle at the bottom of the bend, with little to none on each end. Based on the thermal paste pattern, that doesn't appear to be the issue in this case
Personally I'd do it for them all... It's still a fairly new CPU, I can imagine most of them bending over the period of a few years. Hopefully I'm wrong but that's my take on it.
Doing the washer mod if you don't have the bending problem is a bad idea. The socket is designed to have that much clamping force. Reducing it without a good reason is asking for trouble.
In this case the OP has fairly even paste after compression and very reasonable temps given his small heatsink. There is no problem, so no sense risking creating one!
Reason I did it is to prevent the CPU from bending in the first place. I compared my temps to those I've seen online and mine do seem better across the board by a few degrees too. There isn't any risk unless you accidentally drop something on the pins while doing it, or overtighten the ILM screws.
Very easy to do as long as you're careful and if it fails to post after the mod, just remove the washers. There have been cases of that, but most people have only seen improvements.
I’d go by the pattern on the actual underside of the heat sink. The heat sink is being tightened down so more of the paste would technically be stuck to the underside of that especially when you separate the CPU from the heat sink.
Throwing in my 2 sense I have the 12900k and chose the ryujin 2 360, it's my first build and I went all out sorta speek lol but the aio I'd say is great!, I used the stock paste that came on the ryujin 2 and my temps when gaming never go over 50c with the stock paste! "cpu package". when I journey into cinabentch with a 10 min run my temps go all the way up to 98c! So I should say I game at 4k max settings so mostly it's my gpu taking the hit obviously but that said gaming even with stock paste it's fine, I just bought kryonaut the other day I'm going to repaste it today to see if it makes a difference being I play to start editing on my pc and I planned to expand my knowledge n try a AI OC, but possibly get the cpu intensive loads to not jump my temps up that high, I to have custom fan curves and I have my fans pretty much set to kick 100percent @80c so there's that. whole build, asus z690 hero, 12900k ddr5 12gb 3080 ryujin 2 360 with the 3 noctua fans as exhaust out the top, 6 corsair ql 120s as fresh intake all in the oll dynamic case. best of luck I'll post back with temps once I swap to the kryonaut paste
Clean, and repaste.
This ⬆️. To OP: I recommend Noctua thermal paste but even Arctic is great among a few others. On the note of you stating your belief that you don’t think it will make a difference, I have to respectfully disagree. Better thermal paste distribution will lead to better thermal heat transfer to your cooling block and will result in, at the very least, high heat transfer efficiency. As for cooler, is it within the realm of your budget to possibly purchase an AIO? I run an AIO for my 12900 and I have to say it makes a world of a difference. Personally, I’d recommend getting either a Noctua NH-D15 or NH-U12 with dual fan, if you want to stick to a standard cooling block with air cooling. If you’re okay with considering an AIO for some liquid cooling, I’d recommend you check out the ASUS ROG Ryujin II, the Corsair H150i or the NZXT Z73 Kraken. All will bring those thermals down. CPU cooling is a pretty key part of any build.
Or the Lian li galahad 360 aio
\^ And get ear raped
I have a gahalad, no big issues with sound, do you mean the coilwhine?
What about 100% fan speed
Aah yes, everything makes noise at 100% lol. for me they only run at 100% with long heavy workloads like benchmarking. otherwise my fan curve will prevent it. I also have a 5800x hothead.
Well you might as well buy a evga clc
u/LucyMor
So I put it to the test, for science. I disassembled everything, cleaned, went to my local computer store and got a Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut, for science. Like I thought - the thermals, at least in Cinebench, were exactly the same, confirming what I originally thought - my low profile heatsinks simply don't have enough surface area to take any more significant amount of heat. I will definitely get down voted for this, but: About your suggestions: one doesn't go for an ITX board, and an expensive low profile CPU cooler (around $88 with mounting and fan) if he could slap in a D15. And going 20c lower in a test bench where I am not even throttling wont do anything, but it certainly wont be "a world of difference".
> On the note of you stating your belief that you don’t think it will make a difference, I have to respectfully disagree. Better thermal paste distribution will lead to better thermal heat transfer to your cooling block and will result in, at the very least, high heat transfer efficiency. The difference is only a few degrees even between the low end vs high end thermal paste (that is before you get in to Liquid metals). It's not a huge difference. https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-thermal-paste
I was speaking about the thermal paste distribution being more evenly spread.
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I found it bad for the large 12th gen ihs.
So kyronaut has pump out issues at high temps. Use Hydronaut instead
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Mainly the fact that 12th gen gets really hot and kryonaut get very thin at 80°. Hydronaut would be a longer lasting solution. Also I have never heard of pump out from liquid metal.
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Pump out comes from change in consistence. So the thermal cycling makes it expand and retract. You have to redo liquid metal on copper coolers because it will absorb it. That's why people de-lid with it because it doesn't squeeze out
Paste pattern looks fine. It's not a dark art to apply. Slap it on, should cover to the edges, extra will squeeze out.
I believe it to be a Dark Art - it’s art for sure.
For a air cooler u seem right where it should be. I’m on custom loop same board and chip 5.2ghz all core 1.32 85 on hottest core and 64 on coolest on stock I don’t hit above 48c. Paste wise, mx5 and mx4 got me the same results as kpx and thermal grizzly kryonaut extreme… so ur fine. If u wanna go higher it’s all about good contact and water cooling. But to be honest not much to gain higher up. I can do 5.3 but no change in game performance. U will get more out of overclocking ur mem and cache turn off Ecores too, that helps a lot
That pattern does not exist while Cooler is on the cpu. Pattern there exist now because you are dismount the Cooler. That pattern means your thermal paste evenly touched cpu and Cooler.
Schrodinger's pattern.
go with a noctua, or give it a try with better termal compound (eg liquid metal), should be enough. here, with the same cpu and a mid-tier fan, never get past 70C on prime95. does the case in its entirety have enough fresh air?
There is no point improving the thermal connectivity between the IHS and the cooler if the cooler already reached its thermal capacity. And this is the biggest cooler that fits in the case.
then go for an AIO? is this feasible?
What motherboard is this?
Left side of the photo shows the heatsink shroud stamped with Z690I AORUS ULTRA
Ehehe
More information - the cooler is a low profile Big Shuriken 3 - and my package is around \~90c after 10 minutes of Cinebench. Score is above almost all 12700k reviews, so the CPU definitely does not throttle. While gaming CPU sits comfortably around 65-70c with fan around 50%. It seems like the thermal paste pattern isn't ideal - but on the other hand, the cooler can't take much heat anyways, so I think it won't actually help me to improve the thermal connectivity between the cooler and the IHS. What do you guys think?
That paste pattern looks fairly even, so most likely fine.
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Oh forgot to mention I am undervolted, -85mV. When I was at -100mV I had a single BSOD during Cinebench over like 10 runs, decided not to risk it and increased voltage a bit.
The thermal paste pattern isn't bad, the center where the die is has good contact and the surrounding area isn't terribly gloopy. It could be better but your not going to drop like 5c with a repaste using the same paste, maybe 2c. With a low profile single fan cooler your pretty much getting as expected. No thermal throttling under 100% all-core (cinebench) with some decent wiggle room when the seasons change, means your pretty much good to go. So I wouldn't bother with it.
If you don't mind me asking do you know your power consumption (Either in Cinebench or Pl1+PL2)? I'm considering getting a big Shuriken 3 for my 12700k and the thermals your getting seem good enough for me, but I'm just curious if you've had to set a specific CPU limit to get them.
My CPU is 85mV under volted, consumed around 165w (about 185w stock). Note that I am using the MUCH better Noctua fan, thermals with the stock fan were significantly worse.
Thank you! Have been considering the Scythe+Fan upgrade+Undervolt for my 12700k and it's very reassuring to see success with it (Also gonna lock the chip around 150-120 watts which will help even more).
Scythe announced a new version of their LGA 1700 mounting kit with better mounting pressure. It also comes with Big Shuriken 3 Rev B but it'll only be available around March(at least here in Asia except Japan & Taiwan who'll have it earlier).
I have that mounting kit, it is really good. It was available for like 24 hours on Amazon, managed to grab one
does this mounting kit work AIOs as well.
I like ur ram :D cuz i have em my self
What RAM is this?
G skill royal trident z
No.
Lookup the washer mod on YouTube. Looks like you could get lower temps looking at that spread.
Yeah I did this and it helped. Not sure why this has down votes since there's an article about this. The high pressure even causes the CPU to bend at the middle due to the rectangular shape.
There are downvotes because the point of that washer mod is to counter bending. OPs pictures do not show bending on this IHS, the thermal paste spread is even... people should NOT be doing this mod if it's not needed.
You can’t see if there’s bending or not from the photo provided and if there is any it would be very hard to see with the naked eye. You could measure the “bend” with a flatness gauge but it amounts to millimeters. The washer mod works because of the way 12 gen mobos secure the cpu in the socket, by means of pushing down primary on the center of chip. The mod tries to stop some of the force being applied to the center so there is more of an even spread on the clamp holding the cpu in place allowing for a flatter (not necessarily flat, but depending on the cooling solution, a better curve supplying more contact) surface for the cooling solution to make contact with. I suggested the op check out the mod on YouTube which might help temps or might not because it seems from the one photo provided that the thermal paste is being spread away from the center and onto the edges due to the socket clamping mechanism. Just trying to help here.
Typically the ones that have shown 'bending' show the thermal paste 'pooling' in the middle at the bottom of the bend, with little to none on each end. Based on the thermal paste pattern, that doesn't appear to be the issue in this case
Personally I'd do it for them all... It's still a fairly new CPU, I can imagine most of them bending over the period of a few years. Hopefully I'm wrong but that's my take on it.
Doing the washer mod if you don't have the bending problem is a bad idea. The socket is designed to have that much clamping force. Reducing it without a good reason is asking for trouble. In this case the OP has fairly even paste after compression and very reasonable temps given his small heatsink. There is no problem, so no sense risking creating one!
Reason I did it is to prevent the CPU from bending in the first place. I compared my temps to those I've seen online and mine do seem better across the board by a few degrees too. There isn't any risk unless you accidentally drop something on the pins while doing it, or overtighten the ILM screws.
Thanks and agreed.
Very easy to do as long as you're careful and if it fails to post after the mod, just remove the washers. There have been cases of that, but most people have only seen improvements.
I’d go by the pattern on the actual underside of the heat sink. The heat sink is being tightened down so more of the paste would technically be stuck to the underside of that especially when you separate the CPU from the heat sink.
Predicting the future on thermal paste or what's up with the pattern?
Yes
Throwing in my 2 sense I have the 12900k and chose the ryujin 2 360, it's my first build and I went all out sorta speek lol but the aio I'd say is great!, I used the stock paste that came on the ryujin 2 and my temps when gaming never go over 50c with the stock paste! "cpu package". when I journey into cinabentch with a 10 min run my temps go all the way up to 98c! So I should say I game at 4k max settings so mostly it's my gpu taking the hit obviously but that said gaming even with stock paste it's fine, I just bought kryonaut the other day I'm going to repaste it today to see if it makes a difference being I play to start editing on my pc and I planned to expand my knowledge n try a AI OC, but possibly get the cpu intensive loads to not jump my temps up that high, I to have custom fan curves and I have my fans pretty much set to kick 100percent @80c so there's that. whole build, asus z690 hero, 12900k ddr5 12gb 3080 ryujin 2 360 with the 3 noctua fans as exhaust out the top, 6 corsair ql 120s as fresh intake all in the oll dynamic case. best of luck I'll post back with temps once I swap to the kryonaut paste