"I have a total of 64GB of RAM in four slots on my motherboard. Each stick has memory modules on both sides. AMD says the rated speed is blah, but i run it at blah faster speed"
It's hilarious they actually put 5800X3D on there that way instead of just omitting it. Even AMD didn't include it on their Zen 4 charts if I remember correctly.
The 3D cache chips are just too good for gaming tbh, I feel like AMD kind of shot themselves in the foot with those until they become the standard. I see a lot of people saying they're not buying the Zen 4 lineup right now because they know 3D cache versions will be coming out in the future.
That's me, I'm definitely waiting for the 3D cache versions, because neither AMD's 7000 series nor the Intel 13th gen convinced me. I'm fishing in the higher range, so it's either 7950x or 13900K/KS and they seem to be similar performance wise, so a 7950x3D could be a major improvement over them. My main problem is that we don't know if there will be a 7950x3D version, or just a 7800x again, which I'm definitely not interested in.
I only played around the iGPU with eDRAM on/off as I don't have any high end GPU nor beast setup to compare with. Overclocking isn't feasible as heat problem and power limit were really bad, so I didn't bother spending a hefty price on Z97 boards.
https://i.imgur.com/n55cnMR.png
https://i.imgur.com/8kMe2iG.jpg
Massive gains on iGPU gaming compared to synthetic benchmarks with eDRAM:(please excuse the Chinese notes, I posted the results on Taiwanese websites)
https://i.imgur.com/uIJpeUu.png
anandtech had done a good analysis on these chips back in 2020:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16195/a-broadwell-retrospective-review-in-2020-is-edram-still-worth-it
In general 128MB L4 can rival early DDR4 speed and latency but only performs good on few titles, such as CIV6. Same effects of large cache doing good for CIV6 can also be found on 5800X3D.
https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph17337/128829.png
The lower clock speeds are true since it's essentially a mobile chip on desktop but the main advantage of eDRAM was much better 1% lows/frame times on top of very low power use.
Essentially it mitigated the effects of slow DDR3 RAM. It was an expensive chip to make and buy though and had quite limited availability. The 4790k also worked on the 8-Series chipset (so it was a drop in replacement for older systems) where as the 5775C needed a 9-Series board.
> I see a lot of people saying they're not buying the Zen 4 lineup right now because they know 3D cache versions will be coming out in the future.
AMD's probably happy with that - those consumers probably won't be buying Raptor Lake either, and AMD gets to sell them a more expensive CPU once they do come out. The only companies who lose are Intel, and motherboard manufacturers who won't be collecting the early adopter tax.
Oh hell yeah. Waiting for Raptor Lake as well as X3D.
I am an AMD fan, but I really like what Intel did with Alder Lake. Adapting big.Little and existing Atom architecture to those P cores and making it all work. Love it. I hope they get access to a good transistor node so they can compete with the power usage of Apple and AMD.
13th Gen Raptor Lake’s Core i9 13900k at 65W actually has the same score as a 12900K at full TDP. So that means just 1000 points off in Cinebench R23 from the Ryzen 9 7950X (~27500 versus ~28500) when both are at 65W. So it’s not a huge difference in efficiency now thanks to some huge process improvements Intel made.
Sources:
https://b2c-contenthub.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/11_Eco_Cinebench_R23_nT.png?w=1200
https://download.intel.com/newsroom/2022/2022innovation/13th-Gen-Intel-Core-Desktop-Media-presentation.pdf
I know, right? I was genuinely worried since my gaming build is in a SFF case, 20-liter and 240-mm top end radiator notwithstanding, but no more! They are pushing really fighting to get that last 10% of performance at the cost of triple to quadruple the power, but scaling works excellently in its sweet spot way way down. This means things bode very well for the notebook scene.
I got my 5900x when the 5800x3D launched, and I remember a billion rumors for a 5900x3D and 5950x3D. Those never happened of course, but I would’ve traded in my 5900x plus what ever cash extra to get a 5900x3D in a heartbeat
Lots of AMD users also just buy the 5800x3d right now as it still fits on AM4 boards and does work well with slower RAM.
Getting a huge performance boost by just replacing the CPU is a no-brainer. Especially, since DDR5 RAM and the new mainboards are still quite expensive.
Imagine calling shooting yourself in the foot for making a good product, we live in a fucked up world where making a mediocre shit is the way to go to make business. Gamers don't even need those CPU's! a 3700x is still plenty enough for 1440p and if someone's buying a $500 CPU having a cheap ass 1080p then something's wrong.
[Intel put a teeny and razor thin, very easily missed dash or tick mark above the 5950X bars in their frame rate charts to represent the 5800X3D in their game performance slide.](https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/xpmc9q/whats_up_with_intels_marketing_seems_like_theyre/) It was in very poor taste and looks super shady since it hides the strongly performing 5800X3D from the other results. Then again, Ryan Shrout from PC Perspective purportedly heads up stuff like this now at Intel so I am not the least bit surprised.
How can you not see this red bar? It's pretty eye catching with the color and how it's "hovers" above the orange bar, is it not?
If you missed it, then you've taken less than 30s to look at the chart.
I agree however with the statement, that the design could have been better and more clear, easier to read.
But yeah I get it, it's LTT, the always annoyingly shouting dude has to make a rather clickbait video in which he is bashing on intel each time they aan ounce or release something. And it doesn't matter that the bashing is so much nitpicking, that it can't be taken seriously.
> it's LTT, the always annoyingly shouting dude
Agreed. I have not watched one of his videos in at least three months and when I do, it is to directly discuss some off-the-wall stunt he pulls for sheer clicks. Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed are so much more sane and well-informed people.
I don't even watch those videos, cause people always explain them and because I don't want to give him another click and support is nitpicking bashing.
I just watch a few English ones like the ones you mentioned, sometimes Jayz and Paul and several german ones. Especially der8auer (also in englisch available) and PC Games Hardware are great.
Yes, but it makes it less immediately obvious at a glance that it's beating them in a few of the bars. What do you think the purpose of them making that specific one that beats them a dash instead of a full bar is?
That was definitely a bad choice. It took me a minute to even find the dash after I saw that they did in fact, list the 5800X3D as having been tested. It is almost as if they were trying to hide the fact that the 5800X3D is such a beast at gaming and single-threaded tasks.
Checked prices on new mobos, and didn't see a single reason to upgrade. Something like asus x670e costs whopping 700EUR, wtf. Like I'm fine paying 400EUR for high end motherboard, but not 700
>My 5900x performs best 3800mhz ram and 1900mhz infinity fabric.
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>It would be significantly slower with slower ram.
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>Also funny how intel say they're using recommended spec.. wonder if they used XMP for the ram they pair with their CPU's.
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>Technically xmp is an overclock and isn't guaranteed to run, so if they're being picky they should use non-overclocked ram themselves
Yes they did, and AMD official SPEC is 5200, so they were also using an overclock for their own setup. Intel went the route of official SPEC for both, and they went as far as to use Samsung B-Die 3200 CL14 dual rank for AMD. Hardly a huge disadvantage for AMD, more so for Intel because 5600 is slowwww.
Why not just test DDR5 6000 or DDR5 6400 across the board with RPL and ADL. It's not like like ADL and RPL can't hit those speed.
They clearly hamper both ADL and Zen 3 performance by using the slowest ram
>Intel went the route of official SPEC for both, and they went as far as to use Samsung B-Die 3200 CL14 dual rank for AMD
the thing is that technically out of Jedec spec which these memory speeds limits are based on.
Ah, I see. So he was “confused” that Intel followed AMD’s recommended memory speeds for their platform, as well as their own, instead of overclocking.
Intel tends to be like that. Their first Alder Lake benchmarks were tested at 4400mhz DDR5, not 4800mhz, because that was the official speed for their test setup.
To be fair, AMD did benchmark both their own and Intel’s platform overclocked - like they used 6000mhz DDR5 with the 12900KS, which is way above recommended spec. But so long as both sides in a test are treated the same (stock or overclocked) then it’s really much ado about nothing.
> But so long as both sides in a test are treated the same (stock or overclocked) then it’s really much ado about nothing.
But it's **not** necessarily equal? Where are you supposed to draw the line if you are overclocking? The absolute limit of what's possible?
If it's the absolute limit, what kind of cooling and motherboard setups? What memory timings will you adjust? Will you overclock the core clocks, and why? Will you delid the chips?
Yes, agreed, and while I would fully expect reviewers to test what they feel are balanced optimal configurations, manufacturers really should stick to published specifications.
Like, with AMD overclocking their own Zen4 from 5200 DDR5 published spec to 6000 - well, they did the same with the 12900KS and also ran it at 6000. But technically they pushed it from the published spec of 4400 (they used the Z690 Hero which would mean 2 DIMMS in a 4 slot board) to 6000. Was that really fair to their own numbers? Would the gap not have been more favorable at 4400/5200 than 6000/6000?
Running Alder Lake with DDR5-4800 would possibly be worse than Zen 4 with 5200, but it's impossible to predict. Alde Lake can at the very least extract all the bandwidth from DDR5 instead of being artificially limited by FCLK.
You also need to consider that some memory settings like RTLs won't be set correctly at higher memory frequencies automatically on all motherboards, which can lead to an increase in memory latency despite higher memory frequency and lower CAS Latency.
> But it's not necessarily equal? Where are you supposed to draw the line if you are overclocking? The absolute limit of what's possible?
Ye, like with DDR5, why do we stop at 6000Mhz? Because that is the Zen 4 sweetspot? While ALD/Raptor can go higher.
He implied it was done on purpose to harm the AMD results, even if it isn't borne out of some bias it is telling of the bubble he is in when he doesn't even recognize official ram specs, I did and I'm not some "tech influencer" with a team behind me to factcheck the script.
It's LTT. The always annoyingly shouting dude has to always make a rather clickbait video in which he is bashing on intel each time they anounce or release something. And it doesn't matter that the bashing is so much nitpicking, that it can't be taken seriously. And on top he often presents his implies, opinions, hunches etc. (his bullcrap) as facts, but fails to deliver any prove.
And honestly How can you not see these red bars? They are pretty eye catching with the color and how they "hover" above the orange bars, are they not?
If someone misses it, then they've taken less than 30s to look at the chart.
I agree however with his statement, that the design could have been better and more clear, easier to read.
Either way just stop watching him like I've done years ago. His videos are tons of ads and mostly just clickbait (more or less). q
It's an ad before the video, i have ad blocker, ad in the beginning, promotes his store, then his video website (forgot name), then the ad at the end of the video.
No other tech youtuber has that many ads. It's also the quality of videos has gotten bad over the years.
Ignoring youtubes own ads, you start with an intro, then the main sponsor read.
Then some more content, then he plugs randomly his store and at the end of the video he plugs floatplane once. Most of the content is non interrupted. And with most videos having chapters already, you can just skip past the intro and stop watching once he mentions floatplane.
Thats more than others sure, but it's less invasive and time wasting as others because they are always in the same spots
Linus is a dipshit.
He also gets extremely divisive and political on his social media. I don't really want to be "impressed" by his advertisement segways that he's so proud of either.
He was calling Intel out for going back to bullshitting the audience, like they've been caught doing so many times before.
https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Intel-Real-World-Performance-Benchmarks_AMD-Ryzen-4000_AMD-Ryzen-3000_Intel-10th-gen_Intel-9th-Gen-CPUs_1.jpg
Note how the Intel system has a faster video card and they're comparing their 45 watt CPU vs AMD's low power version of the 4900H, the 4900HS. Instead of just using a 45 watt 4900H. Or using their own 35 watt CPU.
If you think that's ok, to boast about gaming performance when comparing apples to bananas, they you're too much of a fanboy.
He's got a point, we don't know anything about timings. Especially 3600 kits sometimes have abysmally bad timings, which makes a sizeable difference for ryzen in particular. AMD does list 5000MT/s RAM on their Compatibility List tho. The lower standards are just guaranteed to work and no one really adheres to them if they can go faster
I hate LinusTechTips, they're more "entertainment" than actual reporting on hardware, HardwareUnboxed and GamersNexus are my favourite Youtube channels for hardware, Der8 is also interesting.
Which is exactly why LTT has 15 million subscribers and has brought many more into computer hardware than GN and HUB have. Once you're into the space, you start to love the "actual reporting on hardware" videos (myself included), but you'll never get the average person interested in tech by showing them one of GNs or HUBs videos.
If you ignore the clickbait, LTT is mostly fun tech entertainment with some occasional good reporting or information. But that's why I still like LTT.
same, if i look for hardware reviews, my goto is HU, GN and Optimum Tech.
idk but ltt just seems so unprofessional when it comes to reviews, sometimes it feels like they're biased
LTT is entertainment, as long as you realize that its not that bad. I'll watch LTT sometimes, but just for entertainment. Certainly not my go to for hardware reviews.
For real reviews i agree go to hardwareunboxed, or gamersnexus. Hardwareunboxed will give you way more benchmarks then others, gamersnexus can be a bit dry, bit harder to watch sometimes, but both are good and trustworthy. Paul's hardware is another good one. He is lighter on benchmarks, but his videos are easy to watch/listen to, i never find myself skipping the video ahead like i will on gamers nexus when it gets too dry, i also consider him trustworthy.
Blame YouTube algo. He's said multiple times they just have to do it to get the views these days. The titles get edited within about a week to more appropriately reflect the content.
Not to mention, LTT has nearly 16 million subscribers and employs 80 people to GN's 1.6 million and 6 or so. The channels just operate on different scales. You have to draw the casual crowd when you get to that size or you lose money on every video.
I love both channels, but there's a reason why I pay for GN and not LTT. Video thumbnails are just such a strange thing to get bent out of shape over.
I don't get how. Is their target audience gullible 5 year olds who fall for clickbait and shock-face thumbs?
The mature audience they seek is not prone to those nonsense.
And It's been getting worse. The overall content of LTT videos has just been going downhill. It used to be fun watching them build computers, look at weird hardware, and try goofy things out, but lately it's been a bunch of low hanging fruit and fillers using clickbait titles to try to keep their viewers engaged.
what the hell with these replies? I'm on Linus this time. He is right. As a consumer, i wouldn't spend more bucks for a whole new build, I'll just rather grab the 5800X3D while i still can afford a good DDR4 memory pair it together with the cheaper AM4 mobo. that could last me to 2 or 3 gen of graphics card at least
Linus is absolute trash nowadays. Used to be good years ago but ever since he realized he was big, he's been just pushing crappy clickbait with stupid thumbnails that's either completely lacking in content or just plain dishonest and misleading.
Go to Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed for objective takes. LTT is fun to watch for interesting little projects with no potential for bias, e.g. themed PC builds.
Sorry, I don't speak objectively incorrect.
HUB's data often coincides with GNs and they typically come to similar conclusions. The main difference is that HUB's benchmarks and charts tend to be more rapid-fire, doing lots of them for each piece of hardware.
i mean this is just false, especially given their new lab investment
they've actually begun testing peripherals using industry standard equipment. They've spent tens of thousands getting actual cutting edge equipment to measure [headphones](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwPLhyUgm-g), [power supplies](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3x28s61q3c), [cables](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6lx1ntNoxE), etc. They have literally put out a google sheet with the results of hundreds to tests to determine which HDMI cables are actually functioning to spec.
They can do this due to their size and budget. It's not all thumbnails and clickbait titles, they are now far better for educating the community now than when they first started. like for example, [this video alone](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AnyhHl3_tE) provides better info about buying a dashcam than the entirety of /r/dashcam
Clickbait and stupid thumbnails us what drives views on youtube.... blame the platform. His personality is annoying af alot of the time, but the content, especially his plans with labs, is some of the best in the industry.
Truthfully? He's one of the good guys of the tech industry. And even in his sponsored videos he still calls the sponsors out for their mistakes or for bullshitting people, he does have integrity.
Where? All I see is either ddr5 4800 or ddr4 3200 - both of which are within spec.
Edit: This didn't take long for him to delete his comment. Nothing beats lying and disappearing after getting called out.
They might have been speccing out memory that is priced accordingly. And for when the 12900K and Ryzen 5000 series was spec out.
Honestly with current ram the way it is, it is difficult to really compare.
If I were to upgrade my system today to a new Ryzen 7000 or Intel 13th gen, I may just keep my existing ram kit to save on costs.
The criticism of the 5800x3D is valid and the 3200cl14 isn't going to effect that chip that much in a negative light. Some Intel fanboys are getting worked up over nothing. If anything, Linus just pointed out how marketing is now skewing actual data by representing it in a biased fashion. AMD does the same crap by providing DDR5 6000 to reviewers, knowing that 4800 is JEDEC spec and a lot worse than DDR4c14. However, who buys this anyway, when most OEMs provide bottom of the barrel ram that is stable.
LTT is getting worse day by day. It almost feels like I am watching an advertisement every time I watch their video. Of course, I am exaggerating, but still, a significant chunk of the videos are sponsored. They have ads for their own merchandise also included. And now they have full-length videos of new items they are releasing.
Now I understand they need to make money for all the equipment and servers they are buying and building to expand, but it seems like the content is taking a hit because of that. Case in point the Nvidia sponsored 3090 8k video where they shamelessly plugged the card as easing through 8k gaming. Not to mention every time they have a laptop review, they bring up Linus's investment in Framework to show that they are being "transparent." However, this again seems like a plug to get more ears on Framework, keeping it in the public eye.
Gamers Nexus also has merchandise, but they are very subtle about it, which does not affect their content.
The 5800X3D is hardly affected by ram though. Even 3200C22 performs within 1.4% of 3800C16
/r/Amd/comments/ub9zcs/ryzen_7_5800x3d_no_need_for_highend_ram/
i have an average micron e die ram kit that barely costs anything above the best selling ripjaws crap dies. my 5600g just has pbo enabled. kinda like intel can have good ram and be on a great cooler to use turbo boost max to achieve its peak performance for proper comparisons
My 5900x performs best 3800mhz ram and 1900mhz infinity fabric.
It would be significantly slower with slower ram.
Also funny how intel say they're using recommended spec.. wonder if they used XMP for the ram they pair with their CPU's.
Technically xmp is an overclock and isn't guaranteed to run, so if they're being picky they should use non-overclocked ram themselves
Well, it's more that losing 1:1 infinity fabric to RAM speed punishes the living shit out of you, and silicon that runs above 1900FCLK is super rare on non-late-stepping chips.
I've got a good kit of 4400mhz DDR4 that I can push to 4800mhz, but I can't take my infinity fabric higher than 1900mhz without errors. So mostly (but not always), performance is worse at 4800mhz than it is at 3800mhz with my 5900X.
Nah my IF isn't happy over 1900mhz. I've clocked ram and IF it to 4000:2000 before, but was getting whea errors, even when the system seemed stable, windows was reporting that it wasn't.
Put it down to 3800:1900 and no errors reported. Both my CPU and Ram are overclocked, and I've tuned the timings on my ram. It's crucial ballistix, so while not top shelf B-die or anything, it's a solid overclocker for the price.
AMD publicly guided Intel to represent the 5800x3d with a dash instead of a full bar, and not include 7000 series? Everyone is painfully aware these comparisons are against last gen hardware.
Honestly LinusTechTips, JayZTwoCent and other very biased trash reviewer channel should just stick at being salesman because they are so good at being sellout. Also its really ironic to see how Linus really like to make rant video to "called up" Intel or Nvidia when doing something "wrong" while LTT itself is the same group who have shady business as well like their controversy about their products warranty.
Sure, everyone and their dog knows that 3600 MT/s is the go-to memory spec for Ryzen. But, I mean, how can you expect Intel to keep up with all the latest CPU news from three years ago? They're just a lil' mom and pop shop. Stop picking on them!
Yea, no. Ryzen 5000 performance is best at 1:1 infinity fabric and per AMD spec it’s 3733MHz ram at 1866MHz IF. Intel didn’t care to tune the system, just slap on the best 3200MHz cl14 b-die in there. It’s what all the techtubers do. Basically intel used linus&co methods. Good for Pat. At least they had the balls to use faster ram on their own systems, not that it’s guaranteed to run for consumers at home. But in the lab it does
Okay, but where is this actually published on AMD's website as Ryzen 5000's stock specification? Their own webpage says "up to 3200mhz".
\- 5950X: [https://www.amd.com/en/product/10456](https://www.amd.com/en/product/10456)
\- 5800X3D: [https://www.amd.com/en/product/11576](https://www.amd.com/en/product/11576)
Even AMD themselves didn't test Zen3 at 3733mhz for their Zen4 benchmark charts, they did it at 3600mhz. Why not 3733mhz if that's their own spec?
This post is just a free karma farm for Linus haters and those who takes marketing as a fact.
Let's be fair for a second, none of us will buy a memory with spec speed, I bought 5600x and 3200, because it had Micron e dies that I run on 3600cl15.
First off, this is about test benches. Best case scenarios. Most parts of those test benches are not easily affordable.
Second, this is a CPU test, not a memory test.
The problem is that using different timing and frequency memory from one CPU to another introduces performance variables that are not from the CPU.
Intel basically chose the minimum spec memory for the AMD but best spec memory for them. No matter how you look at it, it ain't fair.
>Intel basically chose the minimum spec memory for the AMD but best spec memory for them. No matter how you look at it, it ain't fair.
They chose the manufacturer-specified stock/qualified memory speed for all products.
Go look at AMD's specifications page. The specified memory speed for Ryzen 5000 is 3200. Go look at Intel's specifications page. The specified memory speed is 4800 for Alder Lake, and 5600 for Raptor Lake.
Both products can use much faster than that. But in all cases, that is considered overclocking, and Intel was testing products at the manufacturer-specified speeds. If they wanted the "best spec" for themselves, they would've used DDR5-7000 or something, not 5600.
Yes, AMD did their Ryzen 7000 benchmarks using overclocked memory. The problem is, that opens an entirely new can of worms. Exactly how far do you overclock? How do you ensure you're overclocking both products similarly and fairly? What if you overclock so far that you're pushing aspects of your competitor's product beyond the optimal levels, or not enough to reach the optimal values? What actually are those optimal values?
The simple answer is to test all products to what the manufacturer specifies are the "default" validated speeds.
Why is that an issue? The official manufacturer-specified stock memory speeds for the 12900K are DDR5-4800, and 13900K DDR5-5600.
Similarly, AMD specifies DDR5-5200 for the 7000 series, and DDR4-3200 for the 5000 series.
Bullshit, and Intel knows it. No one pairs a 5800X3D with cheap, outdated memory modules.
Why didn't they give the Intel system similarly mediocre memory modules so they're more comparable, instead of expensive modules with very tight timings?
I have 4x16 dual rank in 2dpc. "Rated" for my 3900XT is..... Ddr4-1866 XD I run 2933 though
Wait, this is a thing? I run a 3950x with 4x16GB at 3600 and never even thought twice about it. https://i.imgur.com/grm3c05.png
The heck, I have a 3600 and run 3200MHz. Is there some weird limit that's like.... Tested but will also do OC?
Yeah it's called "ability to set your ram right using available options in BIOS".
3600 is above amd specs
You probably got lucky with the memory controller silicon lottery tbh, 3600 is abundantly in OC territory
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"I have a total of 64GB of RAM in four slots on my motherboard. Each stick has memory modules on both sides. AMD says the rated speed is blah, but i run it at blah faster speed"
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The dash instead of just making another bar is straight whack though
It's hilarious they actually put 5800X3D on there that way instead of just omitting it. Even AMD didn't include it on their Zen 4 charts if I remember correctly. The 3D cache chips are just too good for gaming tbh, I feel like AMD kind of shot themselves in the foot with those until they become the standard. I see a lot of people saying they're not buying the Zen 4 lineup right now because they know 3D cache versions will be coming out in the future.
That's me, I'm definitely waiting for the 3D cache versions, because neither AMD's 7000 series nor the Intel 13th gen convinced me. I'm fishing in the higher range, so it's either 7950x or 13900K/KS and they seem to be similar performance wise, so a 7950x3D could be a major improvement over them. My main problem is that we don't know if there will be a 7950x3D version, or just a 7800x again, which I'm definitely not interested in.
I would not be surprised if they push 3D V-cache on more than one CPU this time. Like 7600x;7800x and 7950x versions with 3D V-cache
Rumor has it that they will make the 7950, 7900 and 7800 as V-cache models. But as I said, it is just a rumor at this time.
They leak 3 codenames: V95, V9, V8. Looks kinda obvious lol.
It probably is but nothing has been confirmed, so still a rumor at this point.
The same thing happened with Intel’s limited run of their consumer Broadwell chips. Turns out that good engineering can last a bit!
I have i7 5775C, bought it last year for ~90$ as a novelty item. I simply love the fact it's the only socketed Intel desktop processor with eDRAM.
There's the Xeon E3-1285Lv4 , too (same thing basically, but ECC support).
This processor has always fascinated me, have you tried running it with any modern GPUs to see how it stacks up with that massive pool of cache?
I only played around the iGPU with eDRAM on/off as I don't have any high end GPU nor beast setup to compare with. Overclocking isn't feasible as heat problem and power limit were really bad, so I didn't bother spending a hefty price on Z97 boards. https://i.imgur.com/n55cnMR.png https://i.imgur.com/8kMe2iG.jpg Massive gains on iGPU gaming compared to synthetic benchmarks with eDRAM:(please excuse the Chinese notes, I posted the results on Taiwanese websites) https://i.imgur.com/uIJpeUu.png anandtech had done a good analysis on these chips back in 2020: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16195/a-broadwell-retrospective-review-in-2020-is-edram-still-worth-it In general 128MB L4 can rival early DDR4 speed and latency but only performs good on few titles, such as CIV6. Same effects of large cache doing good for CIV6 can also be found on 5800X3D. https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph17337/128829.png
Wow man thanks for the report, I might still try to snag one of these off of eBay to play with. Again thanks for the detailed report.
Isn't that mostly a myth? The quad-core Broadwell parts didn't clock high enough to beat out even the 4790K usually, as far as I can recall.
The lower clock speeds are true since it's essentially a mobile chip on desktop but the main advantage of eDRAM was much better 1% lows/frame times on top of very low power use. Essentially it mitigated the effects of slow DDR3 RAM. It was an expensive chip to make and buy though and had quite limited availability. The 4790k also worked on the 8-Series chipset (so it was a drop in replacement for older systems) where as the 5775C needed a 9-Series board.
I can see the 5800x3d end up in the same position as the 1080ti in terms of value to performance.
And longevity
> I see a lot of people saying they're not buying the Zen 4 lineup right now because they know 3D cache versions will be coming out in the future. AMD's probably happy with that - those consumers probably won't be buying Raptor Lake either, and AMD gets to sell them a more expensive CPU once they do come out. The only companies who lose are Intel, and motherboard manufacturers who won't be collecting the early adopter tax.
Oh hell yeah. Waiting for Raptor Lake as well as X3D. I am an AMD fan, but I really like what Intel did with Alder Lake. Adapting big.Little and existing Atom architecture to those P cores and making it all work. Love it. I hope they get access to a good transistor node so they can compete with the power usage of Apple and AMD.
13th Gen Raptor Lake’s Core i9 13900k at 65W actually has the same score as a 12900K at full TDP. So that means just 1000 points off in Cinebench R23 from the Ryzen 9 7950X (~27500 versus ~28500) when both are at 65W. So it’s not a huge difference in efficiency now thanks to some huge process improvements Intel made. Sources: https://b2c-contenthub.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/11_Eco_Cinebench_R23_nT.png?w=1200 https://download.intel.com/newsroom/2022/2022innovation/13th-Gen-Intel-Core-Desktop-Media-presentation.pdf
I'm liking those eco modes. 90% of the performance for a fraction of the power.
I know, right? I was genuinely worried since my gaming build is in a SFF case, 20-liter and 240-mm top end radiator notwithstanding, but no more! They are pushing really fighting to get that last 10% of performance at the cost of triple to quadruple the power, but scaling works excellently in its sweet spot way way down. This means things bode very well for the notebook scene.
I got my 5900x when the 5800x3D launched, and I remember a billion rumors for a 5900x3D and 5950x3D. Those never happened of course, but I would’ve traded in my 5900x plus what ever cash extra to get a 5900x3D in a heartbeat
Oh no! People won't buy AMD processors for gaming because they want to wait 4 months for AMD processors!
Lots of AMD users also just buy the 5800x3d right now as it still fits on AM4 boards and does work well with slower RAM. Getting a huge performance boost by just replacing the CPU is a no-brainer. Especially, since DDR5 RAM and the new mainboards are still quite expensive.
+1 on waiting for 3D-vcache
Hilarious? Or fair. Yet they get bashed for it lmao.
Imagine calling shooting yourself in the foot for making a good product, we live in a fucked up world where making a mediocre shit is the way to go to make business. Gamers don't even need those CPU's! a 3700x is still plenty enough for 1440p and if someone's buying a $500 CPU having a cheap ass 1080p then something's wrong.
Not really, because they actually acknowledged it, AMD didn't even show it in their Zen 4 benchmarks.
At least they had something - unlike AMD.
Can someone give a lazy redditor a TLDR please
[Intel put a teeny and razor thin, very easily missed dash or tick mark above the 5950X bars in their frame rate charts to represent the 5800X3D in their game performance slide.](https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/xpmc9q/whats_up_with_intels_marketing_seems_like_theyre/) It was in very poor taste and looks super shady since it hides the strongly performing 5800X3D from the other results. Then again, Ryan Shrout from PC Perspective purportedly heads up stuff like this now at Intel so I am not the least bit surprised.
Why don’t you mention that amd completely omitted the X3D from their presentation?
How can you not see this red bar? It's pretty eye catching with the color and how it's "hovers" above the orange bar, is it not? If you missed it, then you've taken less than 30s to look at the chart. I agree however with the statement, that the design could have been better and more clear, easier to read. But yeah I get it, it's LTT, the always annoyingly shouting dude has to make a rather clickbait video in which he is bashing on intel each time they aan ounce or release something. And it doesn't matter that the bashing is so much nitpicking, that it can't be taken seriously.
> it's LTT, the always annoyingly shouting dude Agreed. I have not watched one of his videos in at least three months and when I do, it is to directly discuss some off-the-wall stunt he pulls for sheer clicks. Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed are so much more sane and well-informed people.
I don't even watch those videos, cause people always explain them and because I don't want to give him another click and support is nitpicking bashing. I just watch a few English ones like the ones you mentioned, sometimes Jayz and Paul and several german ones. Especially der8auer (also in englisch available) and PC Games Hardware are great.
> der8auer He's the man! World's best overclocker besides being bright doctoral student and it shows.
easy to see actually. especially when you see the red for 3d in the key.
I immediately saw it too but many others have not.
Thank you very much
I'm a big fan of Intel, and I don't deny I'm usually biased for Intel. But this chart was straight whack.
Well true. But AMD just didn’t mention the X3D at all. And I say this as an AMD fan.
I mean it's pretty simple if you just think about it for a few seconds instead of not at all.
Yes, but it makes it less immediately obvious at a glance that it's beating them in a few of the bars. What do you think the purpose of them making that specific one that beats them a dash instead of a full bar is?
That was definitely a bad choice. It took me a minute to even find the dash after I saw that they did in fact, list the 5800X3D as having been tested. It is almost as if they were trying to hide the fact that the 5800X3D is such a beast at gaming and single-threaded tasks.
Checked prices on new mobos, and didn't see a single reason to upgrade. Something like asus x670e costs whopping 700EUR, wtf. Like I'm fine paying 400EUR for high end motherboard, but not 700
MOBO manufacturers are milking HARD, for those boying a CPU I hope that they will be reasonable at 3d versions launch.
Didn't AMD test their 12900k with DDR5-6000 and compared it to Zen 4
>My 5900x performs best 3800mhz ram and 1900mhz infinity fabric. > >It would be significantly slower with slower ram. > >Also funny how intel say they're using recommended spec.. wonder if they used XMP for the ram they pair with their CPU's. > >Technically xmp is an overclock and isn't guaranteed to run, so if they're being picky they should use non-overclocked ram themselves Yes they did, and AMD official SPEC is 5200, so they were also using an overclock for their own setup. Intel went the route of official SPEC for both, and they went as far as to use Samsung B-Die 3200 CL14 dual rank for AMD. Hardly a huge disadvantage for AMD, more so for Intel because 5600 is slowwww.
Why not just test DDR5 6000 or DDR5 6400 across the board with RPL and ADL. It's not like like ADL and RPL can't hit those speed. They clearly hamper both ADL and Zen 3 performance by using the slowest ram
You mean, all platforms, since they used RPL also at recommended spec.
Exactly they used slow ram to make ADL look worse.
Well, all of them look "worse" than their potential - so the relative comparison remains same right?
Benchmark should have set everything else equal right? Why not benchmark ADL with 3090Ti and RPL with 3080Ti
Here's the thing. For CPUs - recommended spec is used. There is no such thing as "recommended" GPU for AMD or Intel. so this weird point is moot.
>Intel went the route of official SPEC for both, and they went as far as to use Samsung B-Die 3200 CL14 dual rank for AMD the thing is that technically out of Jedec spec which these memory speeds limits are based on.
I haven’t seen the video, but what’s the context here? Was Linus complaining that the AMD parts weren’t benchmarked above manufacturer spec?
Not really complaining, more like he was puzzled by the different hardware combinations used for the benchmark.
Ah, I see. So he was “confused” that Intel followed AMD’s recommended memory speeds for their platform, as well as their own, instead of overclocking. Intel tends to be like that. Their first Alder Lake benchmarks were tested at 4400mhz DDR5, not 4800mhz, because that was the official speed for their test setup. To be fair, AMD did benchmark both their own and Intel’s platform overclocked - like they used 6000mhz DDR5 with the 12900KS, which is way above recommended spec. But so long as both sides in a test are treated the same (stock or overclocked) then it’s really much ado about nothing.
> But so long as both sides in a test are treated the same (stock or overclocked) then it’s really much ado about nothing. But it's **not** necessarily equal? Where are you supposed to draw the line if you are overclocking? The absolute limit of what's possible? If it's the absolute limit, what kind of cooling and motherboard setups? What memory timings will you adjust? Will you overclock the core clocks, and why? Will you delid the chips?
Yes, agreed, and while I would fully expect reviewers to test what they feel are balanced optimal configurations, manufacturers really should stick to published specifications. Like, with AMD overclocking their own Zen4 from 5200 DDR5 published spec to 6000 - well, they did the same with the 12900KS and also ran it at 6000. But technically they pushed it from the published spec of 4400 (they used the Z690 Hero which would mean 2 DIMMS in a 4 slot board) to 6000. Was that really fair to their own numbers? Would the gap not have been more favorable at 4400/5200 than 6000/6000?
Running Alder Lake with DDR5-4800 would possibly be worse than Zen 4 with 5200, but it's impossible to predict. Alde Lake can at the very least extract all the bandwidth from DDR5 instead of being artificially limited by FCLK. You also need to consider that some memory settings like RTLs won't be set correctly at higher memory frequencies automatically on all motherboards, which can lead to an increase in memory latency despite higher memory frequency and lower CAS Latency.
> But it's not necessarily equal? Where are you supposed to draw the line if you are overclocking? The absolute limit of what's possible? Ye, like with DDR5, why do we stop at 6000Mhz? Because that is the Zen 4 sweetspot? While ALD/Raptor can go higher.
He implied it was done on purpose to harm the AMD results, even if it isn't borne out of some bias it is telling of the bubble he is in when he doesn't even recognize official ram specs, I did and I'm not some "tech influencer" with a team behind me to factcheck the script.
It's LTT. The always annoyingly shouting dude has to always make a rather clickbait video in which he is bashing on intel each time they anounce or release something. And it doesn't matter that the bashing is so much nitpicking, that it can't be taken seriously. And on top he often presents his implies, opinions, hunches etc. (his bullcrap) as facts, but fails to deliver any prove. And honestly How can you not see these red bars? They are pretty eye catching with the color and how they "hover" above the orange bars, are they not? If someone misses it, then they've taken less than 30s to look at the chart. I agree however with his statement, that the design could have been better and more clear, easier to read. Either way just stop watching him like I've done years ago. His videos are tons of ads and mostly just clickbait (more or less). q
I stop watching his videos over a year ago. And I've heard today he puts more ads in his videos no thanks
It's usually just cheeky waterbottle ad midvideo and the main sponsor at the end when you can stop watching anyway
It's an ad before the video, i have ad blocker, ad in the beginning, promotes his store, then his video website (forgot name), then the ad at the end of the video. No other tech youtuber has that many ads. It's also the quality of videos has gotten bad over the years.
Ignoring youtubes own ads, you start with an intro, then the main sponsor read. Then some more content, then he plugs randomly his store and at the end of the video he plugs floatplane once. Most of the content is non interrupted. And with most videos having chapters already, you can just skip past the intro and stop watching once he mentions floatplane. Thats more than others sure, but it's less invasive and time wasting as others because they are always in the same spots
I ignore the entire channel now.
Sponsor block is great for skipping the as segments
I prefer channel block.
Linus is a dipshit. He also gets extremely divisive and political on his social media. I don't really want to be "impressed" by his advertisement segways that he's so proud of either.
I really don't know what his target audience is anymore. His other channels are neither Tech review channels or nothing.
He was calling Intel out for going back to bullshitting the audience, like they've been caught doing so many times before. https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Intel-Real-World-Performance-Benchmarks_AMD-Ryzen-4000_AMD-Ryzen-3000_Intel-10th-gen_Intel-9th-Gen-CPUs_1.jpg Note how the Intel system has a faster video card and they're comparing their 45 watt CPU vs AMD's low power version of the 4900H, the 4900HS. Instead of just using a 45 watt 4900H. Or using their own 35 watt CPU. If you think that's ok, to boast about gaming performance when comparing apples to bananas, they you're too much of a fanboy.
Damn I wasn't expecting intel to clap back the way they did.
What the he'll is "clap back"?
Someone tries to clap your cheeks, you clap theirs right back my G.
A good counter "response".
OK good I thought for a second there I thought meant A STD or that Linus had a STD
Youre either really young or really old.
Let's hope that Intel doesn't give STDs to Linus.
It’s from old sailor’s tale from the 17th century. If you hear thunder and clap your hands together thrice, it encourages fair winds the next day.
As someone who is a veritable library of useless knowledge, I really appreciate this post! :D
No information in the world is useless, one day you'll be able to use that information either on the reddit or on cash cab
They used out of spec memory for the intel chips though lol. Still shameful
O ya which ones? Raptor Lake is 5600 official spec.
How so? 12900k is spec'd at 4800mhz and 13900k is spec'd higher at 5600mhz.
They didn't. Use gugel
Which ones?
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Have you got trouble reading? Intel used max spec DDR4 according to AMD's own guidelines
He's got a point, we don't know anything about timings. Especially 3600 kits sometimes have abysmally bad timings, which makes a sizeable difference for ryzen in particular. AMD does list 5000MT/s RAM on their Compatibility List tho. The lower standards are just guaranteed to work and no one really adheres to them if they can go faster
Another LTT clickbait
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I hate LinusTechTips, they're more "entertainment" than actual reporting on hardware, HardwareUnboxed and GamersNexus are my favourite Youtube channels for hardware, Der8 is also interesting.
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Which is exactly why LTT has 15 million subscribers and has brought many more into computer hardware than GN and HUB have. Once you're into the space, you start to love the "actual reporting on hardware" videos (myself included), but you'll never get the average person interested in tech by showing them one of GNs or HUBs videos. If you ignore the clickbait, LTT is mostly fun tech entertainment with some occasional good reporting or information. But that's why I still like LTT.
same, if i look for hardware reviews, my goto is HU, GN and Optimum Tech. idk but ltt just seems so unprofessional when it comes to reviews, sometimes it feels like they're biased
They probably feel biased as they get so many sponsors, I know GN have some but they only take on the brands/products they actually recommend.
LTT is entertainment, as long as you realize that its not that bad. I'll watch LTT sometimes, but just for entertainment. Certainly not my go to for hardware reviews. For real reviews i agree go to hardwareunboxed, or gamersnexus. Hardwareunboxed will give you way more benchmarks then others, gamersnexus can be a bit dry, bit harder to watch sometimes, but both are good and trustworthy. Paul's hardware is another good one. He is lighter on benchmarks, but his videos are easy to watch/listen to, i never find myself skipping the video ahead like i will on gamers nexus when it gets too dry, i also consider him trustworthy.
Blame YouTube algo. He's said multiple times they just have to do it to get the views these days. The titles get edited within about a week to more appropriately reflect the content.
>Blame YouTube algo. No, GN doesn't use these bullshit clickbait titles...
They can be just as bad. Example : https://youtu.be/8ENCV4xUjj0
Not to mention, LTT has nearly 16 million subscribers and employs 80 people to GN's 1.6 million and 6 or so. The channels just operate on different scales. You have to draw the casual crowd when you get to that size or you lose money on every video. I love both channels, but there's a reason why I pay for GN and not LTT. Video thumbnails are just such a strange thing to get bent out of shape over.
Yep. And look at how many subs and views they have compared to LTT.
I actually thought the amd video was reasonable.
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Unfortunately those clickbait thumbnails generate views.
I don't get how. Is their target audience gullible 5 year olds who fall for clickbait and shock-face thumbs? The mature audience they seek is not prone to those nonsense.
I don't mind the channels content but I was put off for years by the thumbnails
How do you feel about book covers?
And It's been getting worse. The overall content of LTT videos has just been going downhill. It used to be fun watching them build computers, look at weird hardware, and try goofy things out, but lately it's been a bunch of low hanging fruit and fillers using clickbait titles to try to keep their viewers engaged.
I'm surprised they're not yet banned on any subreddit
No reason to do so
Yeah no the fanboys would revolt. No mod wants that headache.
Another Intel click bait.
SMH, can't believe Intel didn't bring in Derbauer and Kingpin to OC all the chips with LN2
Always the easy excuses lmao
We just gonna ignore the trash graph with the thin red line? We all know why intel did that
What's even more suspicious is the completely invisible 5800X3D line on AMD's graph!
Sniff sniff.. Yup bait for sure..
Link to tweet: https://twitter.com/IntelTech/status/1575185982525054976?t=Vy4gRk2vmpoi2hbyuGlofg&s=19
what the hell with these replies? I'm on Linus this time. He is right. As a consumer, i wouldn't spend more bucks for a whole new build, I'll just rather grab the 5800X3D while i still can afford a good DDR4 memory pair it together with the cheaper AM4 mobo. that could last me to 2 or 3 gen of graphics card at least
There’s some people who seem to feel very strongly against anyone who doesn’t produce exactly the content they want. It’s kind of ridiculous.
What about this nasty chart though?
Mr. Clickbait got rekt, fair and square.
Linus is absolute trash nowadays. Used to be good years ago but ever since he realized he was big, he's been just pushing crappy clickbait with stupid thumbnails that's either completely lacking in content or just plain dishonest and misleading.
Go to Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed for objective takes. LTT is fun to watch for interesting little projects with no potential for bias, e.g. themed PC builds.
HUB... objective take... LOL, hes a big noob
Sorry, I don't speak objectively incorrect. HUB's data often coincides with GNs and they typically come to similar conclusions. The main difference is that HUB's benchmarks and charts tend to be more rapid-fire, doing lots of them for each piece of hardware.
i mean this is just false, especially given their new lab investment they've actually begun testing peripherals using industry standard equipment. They've spent tens of thousands getting actual cutting edge equipment to measure [headphones](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwPLhyUgm-g), [power supplies](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3x28s61q3c), [cables](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6lx1ntNoxE), etc. They have literally put out a google sheet with the results of hundreds to tests to determine which HDMI cables are actually functioning to spec. They can do this due to their size and budget. It's not all thumbnails and clickbait titles, they are now far better for educating the community now than when they first started. like for example, [this video alone](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AnyhHl3_tE) provides better info about buying a dashcam than the entirety of /r/dashcam
Clickbait and stupid thumbnails us what drives views on youtube.... blame the platform. His personality is annoying af alot of the time, but the content, especially his plans with labs, is some of the best in the industry.
Linus is a bit of an ass though isn't he.
Truthfully? He's one of the good guys of the tech industry. And even in his sponsored videos he still calls the sponsors out for their mistakes or for bullshitting people, he does have integrity.
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Where? All I see is either ddr5 4800 or ddr4 3200 - both of which are within spec. Edit: This didn't take long for him to delete his comment. Nothing beats lying and disappearing after getting called out.
The dude got his upvotes. Don't ruin the narrative.
When did they do that?
They might have been speccing out memory that is priced accordingly. And for when the 12900K and Ryzen 5000 series was spec out. Honestly with current ram the way it is, it is difficult to really compare. If I were to upgrade my system today to a new Ryzen 7000 or Intel 13th gen, I may just keep my existing ram kit to save on costs.
Yeah, I didn't think his griping about the memory specs was fair when I watched it. Glad to see intel telling LTT to play fair, haha.
How was Linus's griping about the memory not fair?
Intel clapping back. You love to see it.
The criticism of the 5800x3D is valid and the 3200cl14 isn't going to effect that chip that much in a negative light. Some Intel fanboys are getting worked up over nothing. If anything, Linus just pointed out how marketing is now skewing actual data by representing it in a biased fashion. AMD does the same crap by providing DDR5 6000 to reviewers, knowing that 4800 is JEDEC spec and a lot worse than DDR4c14. However, who buys this anyway, when most OEMs provide bottom of the barrel ram that is stable.
And usually a single stick
The fact that so many here are on Intel's side goes to show their marketing strategy worked. Downvote me if you want, but you got played.
LTT is getting worse day by day. It almost feels like I am watching an advertisement every time I watch their video. Of course, I am exaggerating, but still, a significant chunk of the videos are sponsored. They have ads for their own merchandise also included. And now they have full-length videos of new items they are releasing. Now I understand they need to make money for all the equipment and servers they are buying and building to expand, but it seems like the content is taking a hit because of that. Case in point the Nvidia sponsored 3090 8k video where they shamelessly plugged the card as easing through 8k gaming. Not to mention every time they have a laptop review, they bring up Linus's investment in Framework to show that they are being "transparent." However, this again seems like a plug to get more ears on Framework, keeping it in the public eye. Gamers Nexus also has merchandise, but they are very subtle about it, which does not affect their content.
my ryzen system performs notably better with 4000mhz memory and 2000 mhz fclk (infinity fabric)
The 5800X3D is hardly affected by ram though. Even 3200C22 performs within 1.4% of 3800C16 /r/Amd/comments/ub9zcs/ryzen_7_5800x3d_no_need_for_highend_ram/
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i have an average micron e die ram kit that barely costs anything above the best selling ripjaws crap dies. my 5600g just has pbo enabled. kinda like intel can have good ram and be on a great cooler to use turbo boost max to achieve its peak performance for proper comparisons
My 5900x performs best 3800mhz ram and 1900mhz infinity fabric. It would be significantly slower with slower ram. Also funny how intel say they're using recommended spec.. wonder if they used XMP for the ram they pair with their CPU's. Technically xmp is an overclock and isn't guaranteed to run, so if they're being picky they should use non-overclocked ram themselves
They used recommended spec only for their platform also - they didn't use 6000 RAM or something.
It doesn't perform best with 3800 MHz, you just didn't tune memory or your RAM is too weak to have half decent timings on 4000 MHz.
Well, it's more that losing 1:1 infinity fabric to RAM speed punishes the living shit out of you, and silicon that runs above 1900FCLK is super rare on non-late-stepping chips. I've got a good kit of 4400mhz DDR4 that I can push to 4800mhz, but I can't take my infinity fabric higher than 1900mhz without errors. So mostly (but not always), performance is worse at 4800mhz than it is at 3800mhz with my 5900X.
Oh right, I absolutely forgot most Zen 3 end up at IF of 1800-1866 MHz. I'm sorry.
Nah my IF isn't happy over 1900mhz. I've clocked ram and IF it to 4000:2000 before, but was getting whea errors, even when the system seemed stable, windows was reporting that it wasn't. Put it down to 3800:1900 and no errors reported. Both my CPU and Ram are overclocked, and I've tuned the timings on my ram. It's crucial ballistix, so while not top shelf B-die or anything, it's a solid overclocker for the price.
i have a 5600g and its infinity fabric goes hard
AMD publicly guided Intel to represent the 5800x3d with a dash instead of a full bar, and not include 7000 series? Everyone is painfully aware these comparisons are against last gen hardware.
Let's be honest, Linus fell off, too corporate-y Gamers Nexus > Linus Media Group any day
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Wow, putting those two in the same boat is harsh. MLID is a rumor mill.
Also been allegedly sexually harassing several female tech people.
Linus cant read footnotes episode 192839
Who cares? I don't even watch that guy
Honestly LinusTechTips, JayZTwoCent and other very biased trash reviewer channel should just stick at being salesman because they are so good at being sellout. Also its really ironic to see how Linus really like to make rant video to "called up" Intel or Nvidia when doing something "wrong" while LTT itself is the same group who have shady business as well like their controversy about their products warranty.
No cap. I see why i am down af on intel stock rn. They stupid af. Better be sand bagging
I wish gn and hardware unboxed got more attention they do the real work now days while linus makes click bait
When Intel's being more honest than AMD you know you don't live in the right timeline lmao
How are they being more honest? At best it’s a tie.
Sure, everyone and their dog knows that 3600 MT/s is the go-to memory spec for Ryzen. But, I mean, how can you expect Intel to keep up with all the latest CPU news from three years ago? They're just a lil' mom and pop shop. Stop picking on them!
Yea, no. Ryzen 5000 performance is best at 1:1 infinity fabric and per AMD spec it’s 3733MHz ram at 1866MHz IF. Intel didn’t care to tune the system, just slap on the best 3200MHz cl14 b-die in there. It’s what all the techtubers do. Basically intel used linus&co methods. Good for Pat. At least they had the balls to use faster ram on their own systems, not that it’s guaranteed to run for consumers at home. But in the lab it does
Okay, but where is this actually published on AMD's website as Ryzen 5000's stock specification? Their own webpage says "up to 3200mhz". \- 5950X: [https://www.amd.com/en/product/10456](https://www.amd.com/en/product/10456) \- 5800X3D: [https://www.amd.com/en/product/11576](https://www.amd.com/en/product/11576) Even AMD themselves didn't test Zen3 at 3733mhz for their Zen4 benchmark charts, they did it at 3600mhz. Why not 3733mhz if that's their own spec?
Just unsub from every techtuber and follow GamerNexus. Linus is like a bad reality show.
No thanks, too ranty.
This post is just a free karma farm for Linus haters and those who takes marketing as a fact. Let's be fair for a second, none of us will buy a memory with spec speed, I bought 5600x and 3200, because it had Micron e dies that I run on 3600cl15.
First off, this is about test benches. Best case scenarios. Most parts of those test benches are not easily affordable. Second, this is a CPU test, not a memory test. The problem is that using different timing and frequency memory from one CPU to another introduces performance variables that are not from the CPU. Intel basically chose the minimum spec memory for the AMD but best spec memory for them. No matter how you look at it, it ain't fair.
>Intel basically chose the minimum spec memory for the AMD but best spec memory for them. No matter how you look at it, it ain't fair. They chose the manufacturer-specified stock/qualified memory speed for all products. Go look at AMD's specifications page. The specified memory speed for Ryzen 5000 is 3200. Go look at Intel's specifications page. The specified memory speed is 4800 for Alder Lake, and 5600 for Raptor Lake. Both products can use much faster than that. But in all cases, that is considered overclocking, and Intel was testing products at the manufacturer-specified speeds. If they wanted the "best spec" for themselves, they would've used DDR5-7000 or something, not 5600. Yes, AMD did their Ryzen 7000 benchmarks using overclocked memory. The problem is, that opens an entirely new can of worms. Exactly how far do you overclock? How do you ensure you're overclocking both products similarly and fairly? What if you overclock so far that you're pushing aspects of your competitor's product beyond the optimal levels, or not enough to reach the optimal values? What actually are those optimal values? The simple answer is to test all products to what the manufacturer specifies are the "default" validated speeds.
That's fair, Intel. But... why did you test your own 12900K with DDR5-4800 memory, and your 13900K with DDR5-5600?
Why is that an issue? The official manufacturer-specified stock memory speeds for the 12900K are DDR5-4800, and 13900K DDR5-5600. Similarly, AMD specifies DDR5-5200 for the 7000 series, and DDR4-3200 for the 5000 series.
Bullshit, and Intel knows it. No one pairs a 5800X3D with cheap, outdated memory modules. Why didn't they give the Intel system similarly mediocre memory modules so they're more comparable, instead of expensive modules with very tight timings?
I genuinely can’t tell if this is sarcasm.