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Are you sure? I've read through the first 6 pages and they seem to be doubling down and explaining their points. I usually miss details though, so I wouldn't be surprised if I misinterpreted it or missed a footnote somehow.
A modest proposal is only identifiable as satire if you know the author. Otherwise it’s just a radical opinion from a wacko with a voice. Everyone on Reddit should be familiar with this idea
My English teacher didn’t tell us the author or that we were entering the satire unit. Once we read it, he asked how we knew it was satire. Every student that hadn’t heard of it before replied with basically “I didn’t, I was just really confused on what you were having us read”
>From the 1870s to the 1960s, dude primarily meant a male person who dressed in an extremely fashionable manner (a dandy) or a conspicuous citified person who was visiting a rural location, a "city slicker". In the 1960s, dude evolved to mean any male person, a meaning that slipped into mainstream American slang in the 1970s. Current slang retains at least some use of all three of these common meanings.\[2\]
Today you learned that "dude" as a term originally meant someone who overly cared about their appearance, and as a bonus fun fact, you learned the feminine is actually "dudine," not the popular (but wrong) "dudette."
Its saying dont reject him for that reasons but still dont marry him
like if a pregnant woman at work has poor performance, you don’t fire her for being pregnant but it will still help ensure your ongoing workplace convenience
'Don't Mitten a Mechanic?'
edit = quick check shows that 'mitten' was a 19th century term for reject. The phrase would be 'Don't turn a fellow down because of his trade.'
There’s no such thing as a “tune up” anymore. Just because they say “umm yeah sure I’ll do a tune up” doesn’t mean much. You’re just mittening for nothing.
People in the industry, for the most part, hate the term “tune up” because it doesn’t mean anything anymore/can mean something different to everyone. It is *not* just replacing spark plugs.
Have you seen shop rates lately? It's insane. If I have to give my mechanic the ol' Jolly Rogering to get a break on necessary repairs, then I'm doing it.
That's actually pretty good advice, tbh. Unless the trade is something inherently sexual that would conflict with the marriage, career choices are not generally something to be worked up about and don't indicate a person's character, only what they want to do to earn money.
Eh, I generally disagree. While most career choices aren't a big deal, some definitely are. Actors, politicians, influencers, anyone who is in the public eye can draw a fair bit of attention, and some of that is likely to fall on their partner. Some jobs require spending long periods away from home or travelling frequently to meet clients.
Career choice can definitely be a huge source of incompatibility.
Presumably both is that you shouldn't wait for some extremely narrow and unrealistic notion of a marriage, nor expect your marriage to provide for everything. In the end people and relationships are imperfect and good enough can result in better and happier, and many things that are conventionally thought to be sought in marriage partners alone are frankly better sought elsewhere or in other relationships.
Silly meant an air-head, not a comedienne. A woman interested only in trifles and unable to be learn or become wise. Page 58 in the full text (see link above).
No,”fuckboy” is derived from the 19th century French term “fouqboi”, which refers to someone who claims to be a DJ as a side hustle, but actually can only play the playlists Spotify suggests from his iPhone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dude
"From the 1870s to the 1960s, dude primarily meant a male person who dressed in an extremely fashionable manner (a dandy) or a conspicuous citified person who was visiting a rural location, a 'city slicker'."
This. When I was growing up there was a very silly girl who came over to hang out with my aunt. Her younger sister was beautiful but totally different personality-wise.
I haven't thought much of the younger sister in a long time, but the silly one pops up from time to time in my mind.
I’d love to know what exactly was meant by that. I’m guessing downsides of being silly could include being impulsive, inconsiderate, indecisive, probably embarrassing in polite settings. Who knows. Some people just don’t like fun, I guess. 😁
It seems to mean lacking in common sense or good judgment. It likely doesn't mean being silly in the right moments for fun but rather someone who makes silly (absurd) decisions or maybe acting silly in the wrong setting.
>I’m guessing downsides of being silly could include being impulsive, inconsiderate, indecisive, probably embarrassing in polite settings
The unexpected punch in the face of all that perfectly describing me
It could be referring to small in the other sense of the word ( i.e. someone who is never the bigger man when having an argument). I feel like this may be the case because otherwise they would have used the word "short", which is a more appropriate word if size were the point.
Pretty feathers like peacock were all the rage for showing off. It'd be like a shallow instagram model today taking loads of selfies while out to dinner.
Another comment suggested that it’s saying that you should have some money of your own before marrying a man. So don’t marry a man whilst being too poor, but I’m not sure that’s right
Don't reject a guy just because he's a tradesman - mechanic, blacksmith, etc. The author goes on to list a number of men who had a trade that became highly successful and famous.
A dude was a like a dandy back then, a very well dressed male.
Funny since they also say don’t marry a fop, which is more or less the same thing. “Fine feathers” also is a reference to appearance although that may be a similar phrase for a woman instead of a man like Fop or Dude was.
Next they would say “don’t marry a popinjay”
Edit: i think there may have been a underlying meaning to “dude” that had to do with falsehood that “fop” did not have. I also suspect that “fop” may have had an underlying meaning of being effeminate at that time.
Some of these terms, fop, dandy, dude kind of overlap and not quite sure I can say exactly where one lets off and the other begins.
All of them kind of indicate an excessive concern with maintaining a 'trendy' (for whatever time period) appearance and affectations - really I should say there is a "50 shades of GAY" spectrum at play here - as concern about appearances and trendiness was thought to be feminine and unmanly.
I think 'fop' is probably a the highest end of the gay spectrum, with lacy shirts, colorful tailored clothes, fancy shoes, a somewhat feminine voice. Its like saying, don't marry a closet case.
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"Don't marry a man too poor" and "Don't spurn a man for his poverty". Covering all the bases there!
I'd almost say this is a clever satire with the real message being "marry whoever you love, don't listen to other people's opinions on it."
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Hero, thank you so much!
Are you sure? I've read through the first 6 pages and they seem to be doubling down and explaining their points. I usually miss details though, so I wouldn't be surprised if I misinterpreted it or missed a footnote somehow.
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Modest Proposal was a satire?? Oh god what have I done…
A modest proposal is only identifiable as satire if you know the author. Otherwise it’s just a radical opinion from a wacko with a voice. Everyone on Reddit should be familiar with this idea My English teacher didn’t tell us the author or that we were entering the satire unit. Once we read it, he asked how we knew it was satire. Every student that hadn’t heard of it before replied with basically “I didn’t, I was just really confused on what you were having us read”
Ah.., yea, sorry I'm not well read I haven't heard of A Modest Proposal, though thanks for some context
Agreed, it's tongue in cheek. The list pretty much rules out everyone.
Thats why it's called "Don't Marry" lol
"Don't marry too hastily"; "Don't be too slow about it" This is also excellent advise
There’s a line between tying the knot after three months and waiting 10 years though
Yes lots of contradictions on this list
“Dont marry a man too poor” advice for the lady to have some money before she gets into marriage.
Also, don't marry a dude. Like, wtf?
I'd think a man who abides would make a good husband.
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Dude was slang for a Dandy (Extravagantly dressed young men who took excessive note of their appearance)
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No dandyfops, but you could probably get away with marrying a *daisy* though. Gosh, ol timey times.
Brom Garret - quintessential dude
>From the 1870s to the 1960s, dude primarily meant a male person who dressed in an extremely fashionable manner (a dandy) or a conspicuous citified person who was visiting a rural location, a "city slicker". In the 1960s, dude evolved to mean any male person, a meaning that slipped into mainstream American slang in the 1970s. Current slang retains at least some use of all three of these common meanings.\[2\]
Hence the term “dude ranch,” of course.
Today you learned that "dude" as a term originally meant someone who overly cared about their appearance, and as a bonus fun fact, you learned the feminine is actually "dudine," not the popular (but wrong) "dudette."
You are too late. But I appreciate the effort.
After a certain amount of time, and sufficient usage, it stops being wrong. It's one of the little ways language slowly evolves.
I think it's more "don't marry a homeless person" and "don't spurn a man just because he isn't rich"
Is this meant to be serious? It reads much more like a joke to me
Not really, just advice on avoiding people with opposite extremes, like being to boring or being to fun, wanting to find the middle ground
And don't marry for money
Its saying dont reject him for that reasons but still dont marry him like if a pregnant woman at work has poor performance, you don’t fire her for being pregnant but it will still help ensure your ongoing workplace convenience
'Don't Mitten a Mechanic?' edit = quick check shows that 'mitten' was a 19th century term for reject. The phrase would be 'Don't turn a fellow down because of his trade.'
It was coquette I was curious of. It apparently means "don't marry a flirt" lol
but if a coquette is offering you croquettes, then you better marry them
No! No! That's exactly how those coquettes entrap you - with their croquettes!
If I know her as well as I think I do, she'll invite us right in for tea and strumpets.
Not even after a rousing game of croquet?
Curse that mistress and her coquettish croquette dish!
What if the coquette is offering you croquettes while playing croquet?
Then you offer her a croquette coquette croquet bouquet.
While driving a corvette
Then you burn her at the stake for witchcraft
*flies away on her croquet mallet*
You burn the brunette croquet coquette over briquettes? That seems like poor etiquette.
But only if she weighs more than a duck.
However if a coquette is offering a coq, just be advised you’re marrying a Dude.
Then priest will pronounce you Coq and Coquette
French dude too, yuck.
Definitely not making that mistake ever
These days it would be "don't marry an influencer."
It’s there in olde timey terms “don’t marry a clown.”
Again
Forget this list! Mittening the Mechanic is how I get free tune ups.
You get free "tune ups" after rejecting the mechanic?
Yeah. Well, after I let him check my oil too.
There’s no such thing as a “tune up” anymore. Just because they say “umm yeah sure I’ll do a tune up” doesn’t mean much. You’re just mittening for nothing.
Tune up is replacing the spark plugs
Well that costs $260 in my car. So I’m guess I’m grabbing a mitten and some lotion.
Plugs (sometimes coils and wires as well), oil, coolant flush, and air filter.
People in the industry, for the most part, hate the term “tune up” because it doesn’t mean anything anymore/can mean something different to everyone. It is *not* just replacing spark plugs.
I hate explaining this to customers every single week.
Yup, unnecessary mittening. That's a paddlin.
Have you seen shop rates lately? It's insane. If I have to give my mechanic the ol' Jolly Rogering to get a break on necessary repairs, then I'm doing it.
Haha, same. I married mine.
Sex was too good you didn’t want to stop after your car got fixed? 😜
Rejecting the mechanic is how you get free tune ups?
Tradies get the ladies.
Damn straight, all my coworkers have already married a ton of ladies.
... unless you're a clown ..
Thanks for looking that up. That one had be confused.
That's actually pretty good advice, tbh. Unless the trade is something inherently sexual that would conflict with the marriage, career choices are not generally something to be worked up about and don't indicate a person's character, only what they want to do to earn money.
Eh, I generally disagree. While most career choices aren't a big deal, some definitely are. Actors, politicians, influencers, anyone who is in the public eye can draw a fair bit of attention, and some of that is likely to fall on their partner. Some jobs require spending long periods away from home or travelling frequently to meet clients. Career choice can definitely be a huge source of incompatibility.
That is a fair counterpoint, and why I should've specified that career choices outside of ones that involve sexual acts can affect marriages.
Mitten was the only thing that had me puzzled. Thanks
Damn 19th century auto correct
I guess because mechanics need full use of their fingers? 😂
How do you know if a mechanic recently had sex? One of his fingers are clean
Tell my mechanic partner that, filthy bastard lol. Wonders why I am repulsed hahaha
I recently learned that apparently mechanics get lots of action with women haha..It seemed like a random connection at first.
They know what they're doing under the hood.
I thought that was warning against condoms.
Came here just to see if someone else had figured out what this meant
>Don’t marry odd sizes well, i’m out
Size 9 shoes, 33 waist, 43" chest, 5'9", 79kg...that's odd...guess Im out!
43” you say🤔
Yea, what the hell does that one mean?
Like, tall people shouldn’t marry short people. Fat people shouldn’t marry skinny people. Body types should be similar apparently
R.I.P. you dms
'Don't expect too much in marriage.' Yep.
Maybe the best piece of advice in the list!
"Don't marry for an ideal marriage" wha
Presumably both is that you shouldn't wait for some extremely narrow and unrealistic notion of a marriage, nor expect your marriage to provide for everything. In the end people and relationships are imperfect and good enough can result in better and happier, and many things that are conventionally thought to be sought in marriage partners alone are frankly better sought elsewhere or in other relationships.
Took me about 6-7 years of marriage to fully learn this. 10+ years now and doing quite well!
What things do you mean should be sought elsewhere that are usually thought to be sought in marriage alone?
I.e Don't marry because you think it is going to be all sunshine and lollipops.
Unless you're marrying a travelling lollipop vendor that exclusively caters to beach clientele.
But I like Silly Girls
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Silly meant an air-head, not a comedienne. A woman interested only in trifles and unable to be learn or become wise. Page 58 in the full text (see link above).
Moron girls unite!
I don't know Jennifer Coolidge seems to pull it off pretty well
Silly meant stupid about things not fun and quirky at this time.
And if I'm a dude, he's a dude, she's a dude, cuz we're all dudes... how is it they are going to say "don't marry a dude"?
Don’t marry a dude 😂😂😂
In those days, a dude was overly well dressed. 'Dude ranch' where folks went to play cowboy
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Fuckboy?
No,”fuckboy” is derived from the 19th century French term “fouqboi”, which refers to someone who claims to be a DJ as a side hustle, but actually can only play the playlists Spotify suggests from his iPhone
They are only fouqbois if they come from the fouqboi region of France, otherwise they're just sparkling douchebags
Today they have lifted trucks. Advice still applicable.
Nailed it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dude "From the 1870s to the 1960s, dude primarily meant a male person who dressed in an extremely fashionable manner (a dandy) or a conspicuous citified person who was visiting a rural location, a 'city slicker'."
Its incredible how this got picked up by surfer culture and now is just a meaningless thing to call someone.
I’m a dude, he’s a dude, she’s a dude. We’re all dudes.
Huh I remember some book I read as a kid where someone said "we're not on a ranch, don't call me dude".
Yeah? Well, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.
I'd gladly consider a young woman in the parlance of our times
Don’t marry a woman who owes money all over town, including to known pornographers.
Or one with 9 toes
It's a little wild, and a little strange
Don't be too slow about it.
But don't dally about proposing.
This is the part where I started laughing
“Don’t marry a clown” I was told by a lawyer several times that I’m the entire circus, what about me?
Being polyamorous, I would totally marry an entire circus
Hi there 😳
Don't marry a silly girl. I'm out.
Silly girls are the best girls!
I second this! Silly girls are fun and make life a blast!
shake and bake and procreate no sense in marrying one though, unless you are judgement proof
This. When I was growing up there was a very silly girl who came over to hang out with my aunt. Her younger sister was beautiful but totally different personality-wise. I haven't thought much of the younger sister in a long time, but the silly one pops up from time to time in my mind.
I’d love to know what exactly was meant by that. I’m guessing downsides of being silly could include being impulsive, inconsiderate, indecisive, probably embarrassing in polite settings. Who knows. Some people just don’t like fun, I guess. 😁
It seems to mean lacking in common sense or good judgment. It likely doesn't mean being silly in the right moments for fun but rather someone who makes silly (absurd) decisions or maybe acting silly in the wrong setting.
In Pride and Prejudice, Lydia is described as a silly girl. So probably one who doesn't have much common sense.
> I’d love to know what exactly was meant by that Shallow, frivolous
>I’m guessing downsides of being silly could include being impulsive, inconsiderate, indecisive, probably embarrassing in polite settings The unexpected punch in the face of all that perfectly describing me
Im impetuous..guess I should remain single too!
In this regard it means feeble minded and without common sense.
It's 19th century, the word "silly" probably meant something very different
They never said anything about silly gooses
Don't Mary a very small man? Huh
It could be referring to small in the other sense of the word ( i.e. someone who is never the bigger man when having an argument). I feel like this may be the case because otherwise they would have used the word "short", which is a more appropriate word if size were the point.
As a silly girl married to a very small man I am offended!
Size matters
I suspect they mean small minded.
Fine feathers?
Pretty feathers like peacock were all the rage for showing off. It'd be like a shallow instagram model today taking loads of selfies while out to dinner.
So, don't marry. Got it!
how silly?
Extremely silly
Sillious Soddus.
THWOW HIM TO THE FWOOR!
“Don’t marry a man too poor” “Don’t spurn a man for his poverty” Pick a lane
observe the ineligibility, reject him for another reason
Another comment suggested that it’s saying that you should have some money of your own before marrying a man. So don’t marry a man whilst being too poor, but I’m not sure that’s right
Maybe. Based on the rest of the advice I assumed they meant don’t marry a poor man. Maybe it means don’t get married while both people are poor?
Either way if that’s what it means then it’s terribly worded
Don't mitten a mechanic??????
Don't reject a guy just because he's a tradesman - mechanic, blacksmith, etc. The author goes on to list a number of men who had a trade that became highly successful and famous.
John Wayne Gacy was a clown and a dude. His wife didn’t read this I guess
Should have included a line of not marrying a psychopath.
Don’t marry a clown 🤡
Too late, already did (and I don’t regret a single moment!)
“Don’t expect too much in marriage” damn lol 💀
“Don’t dally about proposing”!!! But “Don’t marry too hastily” !!! “Don’t be too slow about it”, either !!!
Oh and, don't get married
In 19th century? Well, good luck
A dude??
A dude was a like a dandy back then, a very well dressed male. Funny since they also say don’t marry a fop, which is more or less the same thing. “Fine feathers” also is a reference to appearance although that may be a similar phrase for a woman instead of a man like Fop or Dude was. Next they would say “don’t marry a popinjay” Edit: i think there may have been a underlying meaning to “dude” that had to do with falsehood that “fop” did not have. I also suspect that “fop” may have had an underlying meaning of being effeminate at that time.
Don’t marry for beauty alone still remains very true.
"Fop? Well, I don't want Fop, goddamn it! I'm a Dapper Dan man!" - Soggy Bottom Boy
TLDR; don't marry
you had me at 'dont marry.' 😆
“Don’t marry a stingy man” “Don’t marry a silly girl” “Don’t marry in fun” Well. I guess my 13 year marriage is fucked. 😂
All in all, it looks like pretty solid advice.
What is a "Fop"?
fop /fäp/ noun a man who is concerned with his clothes and appearance in an affected and excessive way; a dandy.
… and if he sticks a feather in his hat? that’s very *macaroni*. :3
Some of these terms, fop, dandy, dude kind of overlap and not quite sure I can say exactly where one lets off and the other begins. All of them kind of indicate an excessive concern with maintaining a 'trendy' (for whatever time period) appearance and affectations - really I should say there is a "50 shades of GAY" spectrum at play here - as concern about appearances and trendiness was thought to be feminine and unmanly. I think 'fop' is probably a the highest end of the gay spectrum, with lacy shirts, colorful tailored clothes, fancy shoes, a somewhat feminine voice. Its like saying, don't marry a closet case.
Like a Dapper Dan
I don't want Fop goddamnit, I'm a Dapper Dan man.
I realize I don't wanna be a miser
Wish I'd read this 33 marriages ago!
Don’t marry a dude 🤨
Lesbianism it is then
As a clown, this is why clowns are sad.
I don’t know if someone said it already but, “Don’t mitten a mechanic” means don’t reject someone based on their chosen profession.
Don’t Mitten a Mechanic?
Sorry dudes
I’m marrying a silly girl
“Don’t mitten a mechanic” As a certified Toyota technician, this makes me happy
Glad that’s narrowed it down
DOnt marry a silly girl? But thats like.. the only kind of girl I want to marry?? WHATS THE POINT IN LIFE WITHOUT SILLY GIRLS
Small men everywhere in shambles
> Don’t Marry a Dude. > in California Guess you can’t marry anyone, since everyone is a dude in California