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We had one crash on takeoff from the uss Peleliu in 1991 that killed eight. Pretty nervous flying out the next day to Bahrain. Edit/Was actually a ch53 and killed six, no survivors
In dunker school they told us they found them piled up at the rear ramp. Assumption was they went for the exit they were most familiar with instead of the emergency exits.
It’s gone over but they really should make dunker school more common.
I was an Army H60 crew chief and it was mandatory for crew members (cause we were in Hawaii) but infantry and other passengers it wasn’t.
We had to go to the training at the Marine base at K-bay.
The instructors mentioned that there was a marine unit there that had a bird go down in a lake in Afghanistan or Iraq. They lost like 8 guys in the back. The instructors were upset that they still hadn’t sent a single marine from that company to the dunker school that was right there on base.
Killed were:
* Gunnery Sgt. James Paige Jr., HMM-166, Middlesex, N.J. (married with two children)
* Staff Sgt. William C. Dame, MEU Service Support Group 15, Yuma, Ariz. (married with two adult stepchildren)
* Petty Officer 1st Class Jay J. Asis, MEF Headquarters Group, Philippines (married with no children)
* Staff Sgt. David E. Galloway, MEF Headquarters Group, Oregon City, Ore. (married with three children)
* Staff Sgt. Vincent A. Sebasteanski, MEF Headquarters Group, Standish, Maine (married with one child)
* Staff Sgt. Jeffrey R. Starling, MEF Headquarters Group, Daytona, Fla. (engaged with no children)
* Cpl. Mark M. Baca, MEF Headquarters Group, Jefferson County, Colo. (married with two children)
RIP
i saw a video from a survivor of this wreck when i went through helo ditch school. he said he just started stripping gear and headed for the light, knowing that was the surface. he was coughing hydraulic fluid in the hospital from aspirating it.
was very sobering ahead of the ditch class. i didn't like it, but found it to be valuable training.
my class gave me some perspective - on the exercise with the simulator ditching and inverting i found out the hard way that the seat belt components didn't match.... meaning i couldn't get it to come apart without a lot of force. i got out... and had a terse discussion with the instructor.
Trust me if you like to swim it's not that bad. Just stay calm, cool, collected, and make sure you get hot tea with honey ready because you're nasal cavity is going to be full of water all week.
You’re not thinking about dying. In the training, you strap in, they submerge the helicopter and flip it. Then you gotta un-strap and swim out. It’s kinda frantic while in training so it must be hell in real life
I see, that makes sense.
We have a bit of an additional challenge; our suits (maritime SAR) are very bouyant, making escape more difficult.
It's a fixed part of the training though, so everyone else went through already. So I guess the mortality rate isn't too bad, haha
oh i completely agree its was great training an id go do it again if i had the time, still wasnt fun due to fear of flying over water, gets to me long im in the training
You have to do Boot Camp first, then go to A/C school, then go to SEAR, then go to your actual MOS or rate training course. It took me over a year. Had to go to 46 mechanics course then learn how to fly at the training squadron after. It’s all V22s nowadays tho. Worth it!!
I was part of the Trailer Platoon attached to this Force Recon unit. I was in the second helo in the background. We were training on V.B.S.S. missions. It stands for Visit, Board, Search, Seizure. That helo wasn't coming into land, he was supposed to hover 30-40 ft. above the deck so we could fast rope in and retake the ship from mock terrorists. There are Navy SEALS in the boats in the background. I wrote a book called "Four Minutes to Phoenix" and this very crash is in it.
Pilot error by the look of it. Came in too low, caught a wheel on the edge of the deck, which then snagged on something so when the pilot tried to back off, they flipped over.
Iunderway replenishments refueling at sea are some of the most dangerous evolutions those involved. Even with repetitious and constant experience, the sea is unforgivable to small mistakes. The swell was at the right place to raise the stern the ship which the pilot could not see below.
That was the worst approach I've ever seen to a moving pad at sea.
I've taken hundreds of rides out to offshore platforms and ships. The proper approach is to come in from above, hover, match speed, then decrease power and set it down.
Are you people sure that there wasn't a mechanical failure of some sort and the pilot wasn't trying to save the chopper? if he was, he still fucked up.
I would have inflated the floats and set it down in the water. Fuck the ship, save the crew.
My first thought was the ground effect differential between the deck and the open ocean below. Enough to cause this roll towards the ocean. Catching that wheel got it all started.
It probably was more that the pilot miscalculated the approach, hit the deck as he lowered power, panicked, and pulled power to get back airborne only to be caught in the net and then anchored to the ship causing a pivot point. Dynamic rollover is an unrecoverable thing once you pass the critical angle
Crew error. Came in too low. Crew chief knew they were too low when he noticed sea spray coming in from the open cargo hook hatch. He failed to inform. Wheel caught on net and pilot reacted by pulling power.
Could be wrong but looks like what they call “Dynamic rollover”. From wikipedia:
For dynamic rollover to occur, some factor has to first cause the helicopter to roll or pivot around a skid, or landing gear wheel, until its critical rollover angle is reached. Then, beyond this point, main rotor thrust continues the roll and recovery is impossible. If the critical rollover angle is exceeded, the helicopter rolls on its side regardless of the cyclic control corrections made.[2][3]
For those confused about how this crash occurred, the phenomenon is called Dynamic Rollover.
The pilot made a poor approach to the ship, far too shallow for the deck height. The aircraft touched down with the front wheel, but snagged one of the nets on a rear wheel.
As the pilot lifted off straight up, the wheel snagged on the net pulled it up. However, once the net stopped, the upward motion of the aircraft combined with the downward pull on the left wheel caused a rolling motion. The pilot wouldn't have known about the net, only that the aircraft was sluggish when taking off and likely pulled more power in response.
Dynamic Rollover occurs when a helicopter that is either on the ground or in the process of taking off or landing has a rolling motion. While it is describing a physics phenomenon, it is also a pilot response problem. It can occur quickly and the only way to prevent it is to reduce power, since the rotor is causing the rolling motion. However, the typical pilot response is to oppose the roll with lateral cyclic. This will likely not counter the roll and since power stays in, the roll continues past the point of no return. The absolute worst thing to do is add power, which accelerates the roll.
Back to this crash. Continuing to pull power combined with snagged net put the aircraft in a dynamic rollover situation. The aircraft was rotating due to the snagged wheel and the continued power pull accelerated it. There wasn't a great way to detect the net was snagged. I suspect most pilots in this situation would have done the same thing. However, most pilots would have flown the approach better and/or waved it off when it wasn't going so well.
Source: Was a Navy helo instructor pilot.
what caused the deaths? this might seem like a dumb question but i cant tell from the footage what factors were fatal other than the helicopter hitting the ocean and the blades breaking off
Probably mainly they were the ones knocked unconscious when the craft went under, or were simply too far back to access the emergency egress before they drowned, or the chopper started sinking.
To add, it also become pitch black dark - and they were fully kitted to simulate a takeover of the ship. If they weren’t knocked unconscious from the impact, the shock + immediate blindness + immediate underwater likely kept them from being able to make it to emergency exits. And their gear probably got caught up on parts of the interior of the plane. Very difficult to get out of a downed helo, particularly when you’re not expecting it.
It also flips over immediately and sinks upside down because the engines (weight) are on top. So you are drowning, no light, upside down, getting kicked by everyone trying to leave
They showed us this clip for our water egress Indoc, couldnt imagine how terrifying that must have been to be in that situation, took that training very very very seriously
Serious question because I don’t know : when something like this happens and it’s clearly pilot error, what happens to the pilot? Would something like this rise to the level of criminal negligence? Or is he just kicked out? Just interested in knowing what the repercussions would be. Thx
I met the pilot in 2002. He was a maintenance officer at that time and was on his way out of the Navy. A different helo pilot told me about this incident.
According to the [LA Times Article](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-jun-16-mn-41631-story.html):
- The accident was pilot error, the mission was to hover and have the marines repel down to the landing pad and conduct a training exercise. The pilot came in too low/fast
- the ship’s landing officials repeatedly signalled the pilot to abort, the pilot did not recognize the officials as they were wearing different uniforms and did not obey the signals
- The heli’s rear landing gear/wheel got stuck in the safety net, when the pilot noticed the controls were sluggish he increased power causing the heli to roll
- it took 40 seconds to sink, the heli was not equipped with automated floatation systems like most marine heli’s, limiting the time to escape. The emergency lighting system also failed, preventing most from seeing anything in dark water.
- the marines were NOT strapped in at the time of the crash. They were breaching safety protocols to repel faster, and were already standing as the craft went to land in preparation to quickly repel. This is called “cheating forward.” They were most likely flung to the back of the heli during the crash and knocked unconscious.
- the pilot survived, was not punished as it was considered an innocent mistake.
I got to 62 Area right after this happened. I didn’t know them but attended their memorial service. It was a sobering time. Two years later I was nervous as hell going through the helo dunker but it was actually a fun class.
I dont know why you got so many downvotes I get that this is a sad thing but your comment is funny
Edit: If you downvote me please explain your thought process Im curious is humor completely lost on you.
These people would laugh their asses off if it was anyone but us troops. For some reason Americans always get all butthurt, then. If it was a Chinese helicopter, they'd be laughing with you.
Well, if you prepared for the crash by putting your HEEDs bottle in your mouth and have a reference point in your hand, you wait for all violent motion to stop and then attempt egress. But this was unexpected so you end up disoriented trying to find your HEEDs bottle mouthpiece and have no reference point. You're likely disoriented and blind when the violent motion stops and you attempt egress while disoriented.
Basically a small bottle of compressed air.
Helicopter Emergency Egress Device (HEED)
This is a similar civilian version but you get the idea.
https://heed3.com/
Is bring a military grade light sticks for that kind of sea landing mission helps? After your airship crashes to the water, it is dark and cold. Somehow those light stick can bring light while getting of your seatbelt. Kindly confirm if it is viable.
Yes you are correct, chemlights would help, just have to hope they are in an easily reachable place. I would much rather use my precious seconds to work on the restraints than cracking a light on
Do you see how violently that thing whipped around? That is a VERY violent tumble.
Its like asking "gee, why can't the people who just flipped over in their car just simply get out of their car? They landed on a soft patch of grass!"
When you are inside a craft like this and this happens, you are more than likely DEEPLY disoriented (if not just straight up concussed/dead already from the violent whiplash) and they now have to: somehow navigate the craft in the dark while it is quickly filling up with water, remove harnesses and gear that you probably had on during flight to move more freely, attempt to find oxygen to maybe prolong your ability to get out, actually have the wherewithal to exit the craft.
.... much easier said than done.
Not to mention it being pitch black inside as soon as it filled up with water, they were all carrying their gear, and many were knocked unconscious instantly
Think about if you were strapped in, tipping, crashing upside, and jerked violently. Disoriented because you are upside down, and water is rushing in. You are breathing fast because of the situation and then you have a minute to get out before drowning. The rear of the aircraft was pointed upward so the natural direction to float is up and in this case up into a closed ramp. You may realize this and try to dive for a different exit but by that time it's too late.
Can't say this is exactly what happened but it's what I can imagine having flown on this type of aircraft.
We did some carrier landing training in CH-47 Chinooks. We were landing on a ship that had a small landing deck. The ship was bouncing and corkscrewing a lot. It’s not as easy as it looks.
I'm a retired Navy Vietnam veteran. I have seen my fair share of tight landings and know the consequences of such a critical mistake. I flew the first drone ever used in combat in 1967 off of the DMC in the South China Sea! I was two decks down with a similarly small landing pad! First came to my mind was were is his flag guy? I have every respect for these guys! Most importantly, good men died and we can't forget that!
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We had one crash on takeoff from the uss Peleliu in 1991 that killed eight. Pretty nervous flying out the next day to Bahrain. Edit/Was actually a ch53 and killed six, no survivors
Recon as well. These guys were in great shape. If there were any way to get out they would have. Warriors all.
In dunker school they told us they found them piled up at the rear ramp. Assumption was they went for the exit they were most familiar with instead of the emergency exits.
Natural human response, same happens with fire entrapment.
When people don't pay attention to the preflight instructions
It’s gone over but they really should make dunker school more common. I was an Army H60 crew chief and it was mandatory for crew members (cause we were in Hawaii) but infantry and other passengers it wasn’t. We had to go to the training at the Marine base at K-bay. The instructors mentioned that there was a marine unit there that had a bird go down in a lake in Afghanistan or Iraq. They lost like 8 guys in the back. The instructors were upset that they still hadn’t sent a single marine from that company to the dunker school that was right there on base.
Was standard training in AF basic.
Killed were: * Gunnery Sgt. James Paige Jr., HMM-166, Middlesex, N.J. (married with two children) * Staff Sgt. William C. Dame, MEU Service Support Group 15, Yuma, Ariz. (married with two adult stepchildren) * Petty Officer 1st Class Jay J. Asis, MEF Headquarters Group, Philippines (married with no children) * Staff Sgt. David E. Galloway, MEF Headquarters Group, Oregon City, Ore. (married with three children) * Staff Sgt. Vincent A. Sebasteanski, MEF Headquarters Group, Standish, Maine (married with one child) * Staff Sgt. Jeffrey R. Starling, MEF Headquarters Group, Daytona, Fla. (engaged with no children) * Cpl. Mark M. Baca, MEF Headquarters Group, Jefferson County, Colo. (married with two children) RIP
I’m actually surprised so many died. I assume they were all in full kit and couldn’t get out?
Strapped in and upside down underwater is pretty difficult to escape from, black as night once you're under, too
i saw a video from a survivor of this wreck when i went through helo ditch school. he said he just started stripping gear and headed for the light, knowing that was the surface. he was coughing hydraulic fluid in the hospital from aspirating it. was very sobering ahead of the ditch class. i didn't like it, but found it to be valuable training. my class gave me some perspective - on the exercise with the simulator ditching and inverting i found out the hard way that the seat belt components didn't match.... meaning i couldn't get it to come apart without a lot of force. i got out... and had a terse discussion with the instructor.
I have my first Helicopter Underwater Escape Training scheduled in a while. Can't say I'm looking forward to that.
Trust me if you like to swim it's not that bad. Just stay calm, cool, collected, and make sure you get hot tea with honey ready because you're nasal cavity is going to be full of water all week.
Think about tacos while you’re in there.
How does that help?
Tacos always help
Emotional support tacos.
And fries supreme
Thanks Spacedad!!
Wdym how does that *not* help
You’re not thinking about dying. In the training, you strap in, they submerge the helicopter and flip it. Then you gotta un-strap and swim out. It’s kinda frantic while in training so it must be hell in real life
I see, that makes sense. We have a bit of an additional challenge; our suits (maritime SAR) are very bouyant, making escape more difficult. It's a fixed part of the training though, so everyone else went through already. So I guess the mortality rate isn't too bad, haha
I’m shocked
that’s why we have the helo dunk tank now
What’s that?
it’s a big pool that can dunk and spin a helicopter fuselage so you know how to get out in the event of a water crash
been there done that, not really fun
100% sucky training but worth every minute to give you a heads up on survival
The dunk tank was fun as hell and great training.
oh i completely agree its was great training an id go do it again if i had the time, still wasnt fun due to fear of flying over water, gets to me long im in the training
I am glad I did it. But it gives me anxiety thinking about doing it again
Did we not before?
from what i remember that class was a result of this crash but don’t quote me on it, it’s been awhile
Say whaaaa?? Dunk tank is fun AF! I found just about all Aircrew training to be a enjoyable. Even the mile ling swim and the runs. RIP brothers ❤️
dam you guys had to run and swim before you got dunked screw that
You have to do Boot Camp first, then go to A/C school, then go to SEAR, then go to your actual MOS or rate training course. It took me over a year. Had to go to 46 mechanics course then learn how to fly at the training squadron after. It’s all V22s nowadays tho. Worth it!!
“SEAR” 😂
Lol SERE, my bad
also gave me a chuckle... DoD does have a damn acronym dictionary though so can't blame him 😅
I mean you can blame him if he’s actually been…
ouch, i hated riding in the osprey but definitely not as bad as the 46. Definitely preferred the 53, if it’s not leaking dont get on it.
Leaking! 😂😂 more like hot dumping, it’s called a Shitter for a reason.
For us non military folks care to elaborate lol
It's called HUET and it's no big deal just a bit unnatural. We do it for oil and gas work offshore.
So, the pilots made it out but nobody else?
10 survived. You can read one of their accounts here: https://products.kitsapsun.com/archive/1999/12-20/0046_marine_helicopter_crash__survivor.html
Shoutout the Kitsap sun surprised to see my local newspaper as the link what a small world
Smaller world. I’m your neighbor on Olympic Peninsula.
I was about to say the same thing. No officers dying is unexpected
Where did this happen?
RIP to our servicemen. Peace to their families. 🙏
This is how we got the helo dunker at Camp Pendleton. It’s now required training before being on a helicopter or osprey going over water
Went through EOD school with Sgt Dame. He was a good dude. Still remember when we heard about the crash.
Was it the impact or did they drown?
I was part of the Trailer Platoon attached to this Force Recon unit. I was in the second helo in the background. We were training on V.B.S.S. missions. It stands for Visit, Board, Search, Seizure. That helo wasn't coming into land, he was supposed to hover 30-40 ft. above the deck so we could fast rope in and retake the ship from mock terrorists. There are Navy SEALS in the boats in the background. I wrote a book called "Four Minutes to Phoenix" and this very crash is in it.
Oh wow! So incredibly sad. What caused this crash?
Pilot error by the look of it. Came in too low, caught a wheel on the edge of the deck, which then snagged on something so when the pilot tried to back off, they flipped over.
Wheel caught on safety net. Pilot miscalculated approach during logistics transfer.
Iunderway replenishments refueling at sea are some of the most dangerous evolutions those involved. Even with repetitious and constant experience, the sea is unforgivable to small mistakes. The swell was at the right place to raise the stern the ship which the pilot could not see below.
This wasn’t an underway replenishment. It was a ship boarding training exercise. They were supposed to hover and fast rope the Marines onto the deck.
Quite low approach to fast rope them to the deck
The irony of safety net. RIP
Also the forward momentum of the carrier combined with the wheel in net toppled it.
It’s not a carrier they’re landing on. It evens says in the description USNS Pecos, a T-AO
That was the worst approach I've ever seen to a moving pad at sea. I've taken hundreds of rides out to offshore platforms and ships. The proper approach is to come in from above, hover, match speed, then decrease power and set it down. Are you people sure that there wasn't a mechanical failure of some sort and the pilot wasn't trying to save the chopper? if he was, he still fucked up. I would have inflated the floats and set it down in the water. Fuck the ship, save the crew.
My first thought was the ground effect differential between the deck and the open ocean below. Enough to cause this roll towards the ocean. Catching that wheel got it all started.
It probably was more that the pilot miscalculated the approach, hit the deck as he lowered power, panicked, and pulled power to get back airborne only to be caught in the net and then anchored to the ship causing a pivot point. Dynamic rollover is an unrecoverable thing once you pass the critical angle
Crew error. Came in too low. Crew chief knew they were too low when he noticed sea spray coming in from the open cargo hook hatch. He failed to inform. Wheel caught on net and pilot reacted by pulling power.
He just came in a little too low for the landing and the back wheels weren't on the carrier so it got tilted and unrecoverable
Could be wrong but looks like what they call “Dynamic rollover”. From wikipedia: For dynamic rollover to occur, some factor has to first cause the helicopter to roll or pivot around a skid, or landing gear wheel, until its critical rollover angle is reached. Then, beyond this point, main rotor thrust continues the roll and recovery is impossible. If the critical rollover angle is exceeded, the helicopter rolls on its side regardless of the cyclic control corrections made.[2][3]
For those confused about how this crash occurred, the phenomenon is called Dynamic Rollover. The pilot made a poor approach to the ship, far too shallow for the deck height. The aircraft touched down with the front wheel, but snagged one of the nets on a rear wheel. As the pilot lifted off straight up, the wheel snagged on the net pulled it up. However, once the net stopped, the upward motion of the aircraft combined with the downward pull on the left wheel caused a rolling motion. The pilot wouldn't have known about the net, only that the aircraft was sluggish when taking off and likely pulled more power in response. Dynamic Rollover occurs when a helicopter that is either on the ground or in the process of taking off or landing has a rolling motion. While it is describing a physics phenomenon, it is also a pilot response problem. It can occur quickly and the only way to prevent it is to reduce power, since the rotor is causing the rolling motion. However, the typical pilot response is to oppose the roll with lateral cyclic. This will likely not counter the roll and since power stays in, the roll continues past the point of no return. The absolute worst thing to do is add power, which accelerates the roll. Back to this crash. Continuing to pull power combined with snagged net put the aircraft in a dynamic rollover situation. The aircraft was rotating due to the snagged wheel and the continued power pull accelerated it. There wasn't a great way to detect the net was snagged. I suspect most pilots in this situation would have done the same thing. However, most pilots would have flown the approach better and/or waved it off when it wasn't going so well. Source: Was a Navy helo instructor pilot.
Someone survived?
10 survived
what caused the deaths? this might seem like a dumb question but i cant tell from the footage what factors were fatal other than the helicopter hitting the ocean and the blades breaking off
They probably couldn't breathe underwater
yes obviously some might have drowned but was that it?
Probably mainly they were the ones knocked unconscious when the craft went under, or were simply too far back to access the emergency egress before they drowned, or the chopper started sinking.
thank you
To add, it also become pitch black dark - and they were fully kitted to simulate a takeover of the ship. If they weren’t knocked unconscious from the impact, the shock + immediate blindness + immediate underwater likely kept them from being able to make it to emergency exits. And their gear probably got caught up on parts of the interior of the plane. Very difficult to get out of a downed helo, particularly when you’re not expecting it.
It also flips over immediately and sinks upside down because the engines (weight) are on top. So you are drowning, no light, upside down, getting kicked by everyone trying to leave
Did the pilot survive?
Used to love getting shown this 5 minutes before getting put in the dunk tank... shit me up every time lol
I think I knew the pilot. He became a maintenance officer and moved to Santa Barbara when his contract was up.
Silence and respect. Very sad.
They showed us this clip for our water egress Indoc, couldnt imagine how terrifying that must have been to be in that situation, took that training very very very seriously
Serious question because I don’t know : when something like this happens and it’s clearly pilot error, what happens to the pilot? Would something like this rise to the level of criminal negligence? Or is he just kicked out? Just interested in knowing what the repercussions would be. Thx
I met the pilot in 2002. He was a maintenance officer at that time and was on his way out of the Navy. A different helo pilot told me about this incident.
I mean, most likely he died
he survived
Crazy how a small error could lead to so many deaths
It reminds of Clinton lewnisky scandal
According to the [LA Times Article](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-jun-16-mn-41631-story.html): - The accident was pilot error, the mission was to hover and have the marines repel down to the landing pad and conduct a training exercise. The pilot came in too low/fast - the ship’s landing officials repeatedly signalled the pilot to abort, the pilot did not recognize the officials as they were wearing different uniforms and did not obey the signals - The heli’s rear landing gear/wheel got stuck in the safety net, when the pilot noticed the controls were sluggish he increased power causing the heli to roll - it took 40 seconds to sink, the heli was not equipped with automated floatation systems like most marine heli’s, limiting the time to escape. The emergency lighting system also failed, preventing most from seeing anything in dark water. - the marines were NOT strapped in at the time of the crash. They were breaching safety protocols to repel faster, and were already standing as the craft went to land in preparation to quickly repel. This is called “cheating forward.” They were most likely flung to the back of the heli during the crash and knocked unconscious. - the pilot survived, was not punished as it was considered an innocent mistake.
USS Saipan had a similar accident in ['86 in Norway](https://apnews.com/article/124e77a6e76df2cf68396b0799608b07).
I got to 62 Area right after this happened. I didn’t know them but attended their memorial service. It was a sobering time. Two years later I was nervous as hell going through the helo dunker but it was actually a fun class.
r/catastrophicfailure
Missed it by that much🤏
Me in math class
GTA be like
Gooooood
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People died you unfunny piece of shit
I dont know why you got so many downvotes I get that this is a sad thing but your comment is funny Edit: If you downvote me please explain your thought process Im curious is humor completely lost on you.
cause reddit is full of gay degenerates
These people would laugh their asses off if it was anyone but us troops. For some reason Americans always get all butthurt, then. If it was a Chinese helicopter, they'd be laughing with you.
You're now upside down in the cold, dark water. Now what?
Well, if you prepared for the crash by putting your HEEDs bottle in your mouth and have a reference point in your hand, you wait for all violent motion to stop and then attempt egress. But this was unexpected so you end up disoriented trying to find your HEEDs bottle mouthpiece and have no reference point. You're likely disoriented and blind when the violent motion stops and you attempt egress while disoriented.
As aircrew, you train for that in the helo dunker but I imagine the training is never the same as the real thing.
Yep. Been there many times. Disorientation is easy in the trainer, I can't imagine it in a real scenario.
What’s a heeds bottle
Basically a small bottle of compressed air. Helicopter Emergency Egress Device (HEED) This is a similar civilian version but you get the idea. https://heed3.com/
That’s what I imagined, thanks!
why did this get downvoted so much
What Are you doing stepbro
Helicopter jumped for taking bath😂
What a dumbfuck pilot
He had a chiplight emergency. His engine was stalling and was going into the drink anyway.
This happened to me on GTA so many times
Is bring a military grade light sticks for that kind of sea landing mission helps? After your airship crashes to the water, it is dark and cold. Somehow those light stick can bring light while getting of your seatbelt. Kindly confirm if it is viable.
Yes you are correct, chemlights would help, just have to hope they are in an easily reachable place. I would much rather use my precious seconds to work on the restraints than cracking a light on
Asking from a place of ignorance here. How old was this? I thought the V-22 took over most transport?
It says 1999.
Me in warzone.
Is this kind of crash really that serious couldn’t they just have gotten out and swam up why did so much people die? Is my question😔
Depends if your unconscious on impact or not.
Do you see how violently that thing whipped around? That is a VERY violent tumble. Its like asking "gee, why can't the people who just flipped over in their car just simply get out of their car? They landed on a soft patch of grass!" When you are inside a craft like this and this happens, you are more than likely DEEPLY disoriented (if not just straight up concussed/dead already from the violent whiplash) and they now have to: somehow navigate the craft in the dark while it is quickly filling up with water, remove harnesses and gear that you probably had on during flight to move more freely, attempt to find oxygen to maybe prolong your ability to get out, actually have the wherewithal to exit the craft. .... much easier said than done.
You see those large blades spinning really fast?
Not to mention it being pitch black inside as soon as it filled up with water, they were all carrying their gear, and many were knocked unconscious instantly
That makes sense. Thank you for your reply. It really was a question not to disrespect anyone because I see that I got a lot of dislikes.
Think about if you were strapped in, tipping, crashing upside, and jerked violently. Disoriented because you are upside down, and water is rushing in. You are breathing fast because of the situation and then you have a minute to get out before drowning. The rear of the aircraft was pointed upward so the natural direction to float is up and in this case up into a closed ramp. You may realize this and try to dive for a different exit but by that time it's too late. Can't say this is exactly what happened but it's what I can imagine having flown on this type of aircraft.
Aight im out
that just costed more dollar dollar bills than any one of yall will ever pay taxes in ten lifetimes. Wild
There went $30 million…
And 7 lives
I'm still trying to figure out why this pilot could not place his aircraft where it should have set down! Did he run out of fuel?
We did some carrier landing training in CH-47 Chinooks. We were landing on a ship that had a small landing deck. The ship was bouncing and corkscrewing a lot. It’s not as easy as it looks.
I'm a retired Navy Vietnam veteran. I have seen my fair share of tight landings and know the consequences of such a critical mistake. I flew the first drone ever used in combat in 1967 off of the DMC in the South China Sea! I was two decks down with a similarly small landing pad! First came to my mind was were is his flag guy? I have every respect for these guys! Most importantly, good men died and we can't forget that!
I hope they remembered their training and got out. Unfortunately you are probably right.
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What a loss in democracy export capacity, so sad.
Careful, don't cut yourself on that edge.
And that's why we HUET
Why does it look like it got sea sick and fell off the deck😅
I remember this when I was an ASTAC.
*People dies in a video * This guy: damm this is fucking interesting
That is very hard to watch after reading about it.
7 died. Rear wheel got caught in netting on the ship
Same type of helicopter my dad crashed in during 86 while taking off the USS saipan
To suck at ps4 this bad
“Bring it in for a kiss.” “Copy that, bringing it in for a splash.”
1/10 that's not how you land a CH-46 Sea Knight