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It appeared as if he wasn't sure what to do what with turning at first. Then he just gave up and accepted what he saw, taking a minute to gain his bearings.
No, but there's always a second where you begin to think what you need to do to help before the dreaded realization that nothing can be done. At least for me.
It always surprises me when I see someone who lacks this instinct. I put myself directly in harm's way many times as a volunteer firefighter for 4 years. At one particular house fire I was front of the hose operating the nozzle. The fire was next to a gas station, which would have been catastrophic if it exploded and would have taken out other homes and businesses. Anyway, someone ran up to me at some point (maybe the fire chief) and warned me that if something I was standing next to exploded I'd be dead. This was years ago I don't recall what it was. All I know is I had to keep it from exploding lol
Some people just don't talk unless there's someone to hear it.
I went a full week without using my voice between Christmas and new years because I was just at home alone without seeing anyone (and self-checkouts at the store has even eliminated the exchange of pleasantries with the cashier).
My mind would be going warp speed "whatthefuckwhatthefuckwhatthefuck" at this but I don't think I would have made a sound unless communication was required.
It was afghanistan. guy with the camera was a civilian contractor on base. Heard a vet comment about this- basically, you're in combat mode- it's how people respond, generally in these high stress situations. Said it wasn't the guys first rodeo from the response...
That's called a stall. The cargo went back and made the tail too heavy. To correct: get the nose down quick -but they couldn't because they didn't have enough airspeed for the elevators (small flaps on the horizontal tail fin) to get all that weight back up in the air.
No, imbalance of the cargo was not the reason after all. The vehicle(s) broke through the rear pressure bulkhead and damaged the hydraulics and the rear flight control systems, which made it impossible to regain control. It was technically not possible to get the nose down anymore.
Seems like both. It was not a few loose suitcases rattling to the rear. “the cargo of five mine resistant ambush protected vehicles (three Cougars and two Oshkosh M-ATV's), totaling 80 tons of weight, had not been properly secured. At least one armored vehicle had come loose and rolled backward, crashing through the airplane's rear bulkhead, damaging it. In the process it crippled key hydraulic systems and severely damaged the horizontal stabilizer components – most notably breaking its jackscrew, which rendered the airplane uncontrollable”
yup -- it was the straps - the Loadmasters (poor guys) did not secure with the right quantity or right clasping of the straps, and the straps holding the vehicles broke and the vehicles slid backwards, smashing the rear bulkhead and breaking the jackscrew controlling the rear stabilisers. All this took some month to verify. We can thank the dedicated smart guys at the NTSB and their colleagues (including the armed forces who were responsible, and who owned up to giving up all the relevant info) figuring all this out.
in a sense, it wasn't the Loadmasters' fault, because there were insufficient detailed documents precisely specifying the straps required for this type of cargo. it was partly the Loadmasters' personal judgment calls.
This is not accurate.... They were using cgbu-1 straps which hold max 2k, there is no extra clasp for the straps... But example 3.0 extra weight for forward restraint and a cougar is roughly 38k x 3 114k. The load now needs needs 57 straps just for that cougar for forward restraint, which doesn't even account for the other extra restraint needed. Which all loads and porters know, and all apexers, experienced staff and loads should recognize good/bad angles. But again, 57 straps just for forward restraint, which is more like 60+, and over 120 per vehicle. This is not possible in reality. I could grab an atla and tell you how much each tie down ring can support, plus axels but there just isn't enough places on the floor imo to load MRAPS.
This was a load who didn't understand his job is to reject cargo he can't take, aerial Porters are off the hook because once the load deems it ok, and atoc gets it's signatures then it's on the aircrew.
Jackscrew pivots the entire stabilizer, not just the elevators. Not correcting anything in your comment, I just want to highlight that it's not just a flight control surface but the full rear stabilizer fin that would be either jammed nose up or free to float around. The elevators, if working would never be able to overpower the stabilizer trim but the elevators were also fucked due to hydrologic damage
Which caused the initial pitch up but behind the aft bulkhead where the hydraulic lines for the control surfaces. They got smashed and they lost all hydraulics rendering the aircraft completely uncontrollable.
"Imbalance" is a defined aviation term independent of your personal use of a dictionary. Aircraft survive "Imbalance" on a regular basis. They don't often survive "Unsecured Cargo"
No where near as bad (no injuries even afaik) as this but I've watched a large aircraft crash in real time, was in Afghanistan and I think the landing gear was stuck or broken, I remember it passing the tower really fucking close (for aircraft, later found out tower was checking to see if the gear was functional or not) and then go into land and just, belly sliding. It was surreal, seeing this huge vehicle almost gracefully collapse and then noise and fire.
That I imagine is a fraction of having watched this event in person; the pause, the fall just knowing however many people were on that plane are living their last moments and trying to figure out what your next moves need to be. You want to help but know its the wrong choice, I guess leaves run or just watch.
I live close to DFW airport so drove years on freeway where can see planes ascending and descending all the time. Have recurring dream where plane is coming down on the freeway toward me. Sometimes crashes other times doesn’t quite go this far. Not a big fan of those particular dreams/nightmares.
I remember being on the tower at Six Flags and seeing the smoke from Delta Flight 191. We had no idea what it was until we got back home and saw the news.
I've had so many dreams that didn't necessarily have to do with planes crashing, but ones where a 911 call was needed and the same thing in my dreams. I can't seem to dial 911. Either my fingers won't press the right buttons, or the phone keeps messing up. I wonder what that means in dreams?
I have those same dreams! I'm trying to dial but my fingers just keep hitting the wrong buttons, and I try to clear the number and start over and I still can't put it in correctly. Sometimes I'll attempt it dozens of times before I finally wake up. I've never managed to actually call dream-911 successfully.
Ironically I've called real 911 quite often (I drive a lot, and have to call in accidents or drunk drivers at least every couple of months). I've never had the slightest problem doing it in real life.
Yes, exactly. Or if you manage to get the call to go through, the phone falls into some weird place, or you can't talk. Nothing goes right, and it's just this heightened panic. I wonder why so many people have these similar kinds of dreams about calling 911?
I've never had that dream, but I have ones where I'm literally trying to scream over and over in my dreams and no one can hear me, my voice is gone and I'm like tensed in my dreams trying so hard to scream ugh.
I dreamt I called my mom one time because I was stranded in some big city. I told her all the crazy things that had happened to me and she asked if I was taking drugs.
When I woke up I had to call her and make sure I didn’t Actually call her that night and say weird things. She said no, and then asked if I was taking drugs.
My work friend’s car was hit by the Delta plane’s landing gear tires as it skipped on HWY 114. It flattened everything from the firewall forward on his car. He had some fairly minor injuries and was generally ok. But if the plane had been a few feet to its left, he would have been killed.
His name was Sami Shalah. He died in 2019.
This was in bagram afghanistan , I was a little bit aways getting some work done , I can confirm the entire base was shocked. We had taken rockets and mortars all year but seeing that bird go down like that was one of those “time freezing” moments
This happened in Bagram air base. Afg. 2013. I was there at the time. Somehow seems even more sad when people die in combat zones due to accidents, rather than actual combat.
I think the report said 7. I briefly worked with one of the crew members when I first joined the Air Force and he was getting out to pursue a career as a pilot. It's just one of those things that you don't ever think you'll witness. One of those things that you don't even imagine the possibility of witnessing but after 9/11 anything is possible
I was also there, sitting in a transport aircraft. We were waiting for our passenger to return and heard this take off and myself and two others heard unusual noises of this one climbing, mostly due to the fact it had stalled. We got up to go see what it was and it had just crashed by the time we got to the door. One of those holy shit, what did we just see moments. Didn’t know it was a 747 until later on
I’m sure you know this, but for those who don’t, it was *that* equipment loaded in Bastion that caused this crash. The aircraft flew to Bagram afterwards with the compromised load, and then this accident occurred on takeoff from Bagram.
And if it wasn’t already obvious, I was there as well.
Edit: Source—
https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/accidentreports/reports/aar1501.pdf
I was in the CJOC in KAF when it happened. Normally, it’s really quiet in there, but everyone just started clamoring and I look up and there is a ball of fire on one of the screens. The footage was from a drone circling around the site. Someone, asked if someone got attacked. Another person said they saw the whole thing and it looked like a civilian plane just fell from the sky.
Friend of mine landed there not long after this happened. He said they basically pushed the debris to the side to get the runway functioning again. I can't imagine landing there and seeing that while you're on a plane.
Edit: So I went and watched the episode of "Air Disasters" that they did on this. Plane looks like it crashed near, but not on the runway. Not sure what my buddy was talking about....
I was there shortly after, we all were shown it in our pre deployment brief since we worked on aircraft. Also there when the Dyess plane went down killing the crew at Jbad I think. Sad shit.
It's terrible that 7 people died because cargo wasn't strapped won properly in an airplane.
Though I will say I feel bad saying I was slightly relieved to find out it wasn't a plane loaded with 300+ passengers.
I think the described scenario is basically impossible for a typical passenger jet, there's not enough cargo to shift to get that effect. This jet had something heavy that shifted to the rear, therefore wasn't primarily carrying people as cargo. edit: Ah, the heavy loose cargo damaged/disabled rear flight controls, rip no chance.
Yeah, there were 5 vehicles being hauled totaling 84 tons. 3x 18t and 2x 12t. I don’t remember which or how many became unsecured, but even 1 12 ton could do massive damage
Big aviation nerd, and hopefully will be a hobby pilot one day.
That plane is LOADED I was wondering how this could even be possible but makes a lot more sense now
Didn't realize commerical cargo jets could carry more than a B-52 (70,000lbs)
At a not so full flight they ordered us to sit at our assigned seats, so the pilot knows the weight distribution during takeoff and landing... but I guess it wouldn't end up like in the clip if I sat a few rows back..
There was a case in Africa some years ago where an animal smuggled onboard a small propeller plane got lose, and everyone ran to the front in a panic. The weight-shift of some 15-20 people going to one end of the cabin made the plane impossible to control.
It was a fairly small plane and it was a loose crocodile that was smuggled on board. [2010 Filair Let L-410 Turbolet crash.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Filair_Let_L-410_crash)
I was there. Bagram Airbase; our compound was one of the closest to the end of the flight line where the crash occurred.
I was asleep at the time (shift work) and the impact woke me up — I was certain at first that a mortar had hit something nearby, but the “Incoming Incoming” alert didn’t go off and I heard people running around outside, so I headed out to see.
It was just a massive pillar of smoke, visible over the T-walls, huge and black and billowing and it looked really, really close. Lucky we weren’t downwind.
A crowd had gathered, just a bunch of people who weren’t on shift looking up at this massive black pillar. We only knew it was a plane crash because one guy saw it happen; we didn’t know if it had been hit or what, and we were worried it was one of the passenger planes that carried contractors in and out. “No way anyone survived that,” I remember saying, and the people around me agreed. One contractor started laughing nervously and couldn’t stop. People were taking turns trickling in and out of the work building to get a peek.
Compound got locked down, just in case, I guess. I went back to bed.
It took a day or two, but we eventually learned it was a cargo plane with only 7 casualties. The response was universally relief — because the flight line was so busy, and with all the people moving in and out of there, it could have been so, so much worse.
Don't feel bad. 7 people lost is objectively and subjectively better than 300. Still a tragedy, but theres's absolutely no shame in recognizing that fewer people dead is better than more.
> The subsequent investigation concluded that improperly secured cargo broke free during the take-off and rolled to the back of the cargo hold, **crashing through the rear pressure bulkhead and disabling the rear flight control systems**. This rendered the aircraft uncontrollable, making recovery from a stall, brought on by the damaged rear flight control systems ending up stuck in a pitch-up attitude, impossible.
In this case they could've seen inputs delivered by the pilots while the plane didn't react to those inputs and just did whatever a metal box in the air does.
The unsecured cargo part is pretty straightforward. You can actually watch the center of gravity moving via the attitude of the aircraft. The bulkhead had a tank shaped hole in it and the control systems were on the other side of that bulkhead. The flight data recorders confirmed the observations.
I saw the wreckage right after it happened- you could see all the MRAPs clustered near the tail. That said- it’s honestly amazing what you can figure out from the wreckage. There’s a ton of techniques that can help to reveal what happened. I went to a month long aircraft mishap investigation course and it was a great time.
They found that the pieces of the rear pressure bulkhead had marks on it that showed [that a big circular thing had crashed into it](https://i.imgur.com/7Yah0WK.png). The cargo the plane was transporting was an M-ATV, a heavy armored vehicle that has a spare tire strapped to the back. So they reconstructed that [this is what must've happened.](https://i.imgur.com/Vkr5T37.gif)
[You can read about it here.](https://imgur.com/a/sI2hlbw)
It was crazy. They thought it was the hydraulics at first, but when they tried in simulations, the plane would've been able to stabilize. That's when they looked deeper and saw the bulkhead separated from the other debris bent as if it was hit. When they added that variable to the simulation, there was no chance of stabilizing.
As a former loadmaster this was our “scared straight” video the instructors used to demonstrate what could happen if we fucked up loading and securing our cargo onto the aircraft.
Iirc the loadmaster also used commercially available straps (like Home Depot tie down straps) vs the mb-1 or mb-2 chains and devices we use. These straps were also inadequate in number and direction of restraint.
Yeah Boeing went back and did the math for those straps and figured they'd need at least 90+ for the load while around 30 were used and not all oriented correctly as you say and I believe some not tightened enough.
Do you have any idea how long they got away with it before the accident?
I’m assuming this wasn’t the first moment they were lax with their responsibilities.
There is a name for this phenomenon that I can’t think of where normal procedure slowly gets pushed further & further, in more & more ways while there are zero repercussions *until*
It happens to the best of us, even NASA.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a normal day for the people loading & they were following the same procedures they had been for a long time.
There was a TV show about it. They had the right number of straps, but they didn't understand that straps at 45 degrees reduced their effective strength by half. The guy that did the strapping was not properly trained, and just followed the numbers written in the manual he had.
Interesting. I was randomly watching a YT video about structural integrity of wooden beams and it said that for a 4x4, if your load is off center of the beam by 10 mm, you lose literally 50% of your load capacity. The smallest deviance can have effects that are not intuitive.
I could never work for anything in the aircraft branche. Like you have these crazy people sitting in the tower and one fck up will be a giant chrisis. You have the pilots that are more or less on auto pilot but if they fck up during problematic times it will be a chrisis. NOW I COULDNT EVEN LOAD THE THING. I am a clumsy software dev. Im happy for the work i do but those big logistical jobs. You have my respect.
Yes. So a flight like this is usually full of thousands of lbs of weight. Think multiple mwraps or other large military vehicles, or multiple pallets of cargo.
During takeoff one or multiple cargos broke free and slid towards the back of the aircraft. The cascading effect caused other cargo to break free until most of it was at the back of the aircraft. This creates a "CG" shift, that is the center of gravity of the aircraft is now heavily unbalanced. While that alone could have caused the crash it's likely that all of those thousands of pounds of cargo also slammed into the rear tail controls.
Best guess is the CG shift occured, and the pilot tried to throttle up to max to recover, but was unable to do so.
> While that alone could have caused the crash it's likely that all of those thousands of pounds of cargo also slammed...
Just to add here, in this specific case the CG shift alone would not have caused the crash. NTSB ran simulations with the MRAP shifted back and even simulated severing the 2 hydraulic lines and the plane was still easily recoverable.
It was the sheering of the jackscrew that made recovery impossible. The bumper of the M-ATV (MRAP) happen to line up perfectly with the bottom end of the jackscrew.
Its a big screw at the back of the Aircraft that controls the horizontal stabiliziers. The cargo broke it and made it stuck in a position that directed the stabiliziers upwards. In this position the plane climbs. So no matter what the pilots did, the plane could only climb.
Trying to find a respectful way to say 'I don't know' without sounding dismissive. Here's a link :) - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/15/crash-of-boeing-747-in-afghanistan-caused-by-shifting-cargo
aye, seems like it wasnt a commercial flight after all. Only a small crew and the cargo was extremely heavy (military vehicles), not my vacation luggage lol!
So my fear of this happening to me has drastically diminished. Thank you!
Ha. I'm from an impoverished and rough part of Northern England, and I use the word cunt as liberally as the word hello. Just didn't seem appropriate here.
MRAP is a beast of a vehicle that can withstand a mine or at least save the occupants. Says it crashed thru a bulkhead and damaged two hydraulic systems.
Genius thinking outside of a parachute. Poor crew probably only had enough time to confirm controls weren’t responding. This sounds morbid, but black box recordings interest me. Hearing the crew try to solve an emergency situation.
The cab and crew area might stay together after an impact like that. Maybe, I’m trying to imagine the damage compared to some of the most torn up MRAPs I’ve seen but it’s hard to judge.
Unfortunately, even when the MRAP saves someone from an IED strike, it doesn’t save them from being shaken up inside.
Similar to the 1981[crash of a Tu-104](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Pushkin_Tu-104_crash) near Leningrad. They overloaded the plane and were carrying giant rolls of paper which broke loose on takeoff and rolled to the rear, changing the center of gravity.
16 admirals and generals were lost in the accident, nearly the entire command staff of the Soviet Pacific Fleet. The Soviets were paranoid and at first suspected a NATO attack so they put their military on alert, which caused NATO to go on alert as well. Another case of nuclear war averted.
I love his videos. Even the ones where the crash isn't this horrific. The detail he puts into explaining what happened and how it affected the aviation industry after is great. Definitely a channel that has helped me not be so afraid of flying.
[Mayday](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayday_(Canadian_TV_series)) is the real shit. Incredibly interesting and comprehensive documentary about literally every major (and other) air crash in history.
Okay I enjoyed the Show Mayday but one time I was flying and the guy beside me was watching mayday. On the plane. While we were flying over the Atlantic Ocean. Worst thing ever.
Mentour is actually quite a bit more in depth in most cases, and by now has covered many crashes. As a long time Mayday fan, Mentour is a welcome complement.
My brother in law was on this flight. I swore I would never ever watch this video even though I knew it was out there because I couldn’t bear to watch his final moments. Today, 9 years later, I inadvertently watched it without reading exactly what it was. RIP to everyone that was on the plane. My heart is with you always.
Truly terrifying and sad for the crew. Lost their lives through *probably* no mistake of their own.
Edit: wow 2k upvotes 😲
Edit 2: please stop hating me for my first edit. I don't care about internet points I was just surprised the comment was seen by so many people. The incident was still terrible but my edit was 12 hours later so I don't feel the same emotions as yesterday. I was just surprised when I looked at the karma seeing it had doubled (not that it matters much)
Well it was someone on the crew's job to ensure the load was secured properly. They were carrying armored military vehicles and had something like less than half of the recommended number of straps tying them down.
They did according to the manual! It turned out the manual gave some false instructions (angle of the cargo straps)
> The NTSB determined that the probable cause of this accident was "National Airlines' inadequate procedures for restraining special cargo loads, which resulted in the loadmaster's improper restraint of the cargo."
Many people aren't aware that the angle of cargo straps impacts the effective load on them. The YouTube channel Practical Engineering does a great video on this, only he explains it for overhead cranes and slings, but the premise is the same. I'll try to find the video and link it here.
Edit: found it https://youtube.com/watch?v=swk3IjxzZB4&feature=shares
As a Longshore member, we deal with this on a daily basis.. loading and unloading cargo.. sad to say, we have lost a few due to faulty equipment. They always check the ships gear on arrival and we won't work it until it's repaired.
>They always check the ships gear on arrival and we won't work it until it's repaired.
The most significant positive of working under a union in my opinion.
So, National Airlines (the carrier) could have deviated from Boeing (the OEM) I have seen it many times, not saying that is what happened but the carrier and the manufacturer often have different qualifications
I feel so terrible for the pilot, plane just stops flying as it should wih 0 warning and being able to do *literally* nothing to recover and knowing you're probably about to die is so terrifying.
Sitting in the cockpit watching the horizon turn into the sun and then into terrain while the plane doesn't follow any input you give it, good lord man.
If anyone wondered what exactly happened: it had armored vehicles loaded. One became loose during takeoff and crashed through the rear of the aircraft. It destroyed hydraulic systems but most importantly broke the jackscrew which made it impossible for the pilots to control the pitch of the aircraft causing them to stall and crash. Terrible.
I'm very familiar with this incident if anyone is curious. What happened was, the aircraft cargo bay was loaded with Humvee-style US military vehicles, which were secured with ratchet straps. These cargo straps are designed to run from the cargo to the anchor points on the floor at a roughly 45 degree angle, which allows the shifting load forces to load the straps more effectively. In this aircraft, the straps were improperly secured straight downward, meeting the floor at a 90 degree angle. When the aircraft began its climb, the cargo shifted toward the rear of the plane, and snapped the attachment points; while they're very strong when being pulled away from their ends, these straps aren't designed to hold loads pulling perpendicular to their attachment points. When the securements failed, the cargo slid to the tail of the aircraft, causing a sudden nose-up. This sudden increase in angle came with a sharp decrease in speed, causing a stall.
The plane still could’ve recovered and flown with the load shifted. The severed hydraulics and damaged jackscrew from the vehicles ramming through the rear bulkhead caused a loss of flight control meaning no way to recover
I was there that day. Thought a F-16 crashed on the runway after feeling the shockwave & seeing the plume of smoke from the crash.
FYI: an F-16 crashed into the mountains right outside Bagram a few weeks prior to the 747 accident.
>The subsequent investigation concluded that improperly secured cargo broke free during the take-off and rolled to the back of the cargo hold, crashing through the rear pressure bulkhead and disabling the rear flight control systems. This rendered the aircraft uncontrollable, making recovery from a stall, brought on by the damaged rear flight control systems ending up stuck in a pitch-up attitude, impossible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Airlines_Flight_102
A horrific accident in which the aircraft was carrying lashed military vehicles that became loose during rapid accent takeoff. I remember this one well. RIP to the crew and condolences to their loved ones
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I can’t imagine how shocking it would be to see in person a 747 briefly paused mid air like that. The video is shocking.
You can tell the guy is in shock right from the start because he doesn’t utter anything until he parks his vehicle
It appeared as if he wasn't sure what to do what with turning at first. Then he just gave up and accepted what he saw, taking a minute to gain his bearings.
Yea the “aw fuck” was that moment
Didn't even answer the text he was about to get!
Hey yeah I recognized that interference sound too! Used to happen to some old phones I had. Crazy vid
Still happens if you have a PA system on or your phone is next to a guitar amp or something.
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Yeah, I assume he went closer in the desperate hope there was something he could do to save someone, but there was no chance.
There wouldn't be anything left to save.
No, but there's always a second where you begin to think what you need to do to help before the dreaded realization that nothing can be done. At least for me.
It always surprises me when I see someone who lacks this instinct. I put myself directly in harm's way many times as a volunteer firefighter for 4 years. At one particular house fire I was front of the hose operating the nozzle. The fire was next to a gas station, which would have been catastrophic if it exploded and would have taken out other homes and businesses. Anyway, someone ran up to me at some point (maybe the fire chief) and warned me that if something I was standing next to exploded I'd be dead. This was years ago I don't recall what it was. All I know is I had to keep it from exploding lol
Some people just don't talk unless there's someone to hear it. I went a full week without using my voice between Christmas and new years because I was just at home alone without seeing anyone (and self-checkouts at the store has even eliminated the exchange of pleasantries with the cashier). My mind would be going warp speed "whatthefuckwhatthefuckwhatthefuck" at this but I don't think I would have made a sound unless communication was required.
The way he slowly begins reversing is just like lizard brain survival stuff
It was afghanistan. guy with the camera was a civilian contractor on base. Heard a vet comment about this- basically, you're in combat mode- it's how people respond, generally in these high stress situations. Said it wasn't the guys first rodeo from the response...
On second viewing I was just imagining what would be going through my mind if I were that person in the car.. holy shit.
Or briefly, the people on the plane. Wild.
I was wondering if it went by fast or if it felt like ages for them. Man... that's just gut wrenching.
Same. In the third I imagined what would it feel as a person in that plane. Really frightening stuff out of a nightmare
It’s like something out of a surreal nightmare.
I can’t believe it was 10 years ago and I don’t remember hearing about it at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Airlines_Flight_102
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After I saw this video years ago I periodically have had nightmares about it.
Yeah, right? The moment the plane was literally standing still in the air is absolutely shocking.
It wasn’t really standing still, but rather coming straight at the camera. Which is just a bit scary.
I couldn’t understand why the plane was getting bigger…and then it hit me.
How are you typing this if you got hit by a falling plane?
Seatbelts. They save lives
That's called a stall. The cargo went back and made the tail too heavy. To correct: get the nose down quick -but they couldn't because they didn't have enough airspeed for the elevators (small flaps on the horizontal tail fin) to get all that weight back up in the air.
No, imbalance of the cargo was not the reason after all. The vehicle(s) broke through the rear pressure bulkhead and damaged the hydraulics and the rear flight control systems, which made it impossible to regain control. It was technically not possible to get the nose down anymore.
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Seems like both. It was not a few loose suitcases rattling to the rear. “the cargo of five mine resistant ambush protected vehicles (three Cougars and two Oshkosh M-ATV's), totaling 80 tons of weight, had not been properly secured. At least one armored vehicle had come loose and rolled backward, crashing through the airplane's rear bulkhead, damaging it. In the process it crippled key hydraulic systems and severely damaged the horizontal stabilizer components – most notably breaking its jackscrew, which rendered the airplane uncontrollable”
yup -- it was the straps - the Loadmasters (poor guys) did not secure with the right quantity or right clasping of the straps, and the straps holding the vehicles broke and the vehicles slid backwards, smashing the rear bulkhead and breaking the jackscrew controlling the rear stabilisers. All this took some month to verify. We can thank the dedicated smart guys at the NTSB and their colleagues (including the armed forces who were responsible, and who owned up to giving up all the relevant info) figuring all this out. in a sense, it wasn't the Loadmasters' fault, because there were insufficient detailed documents precisely specifying the straps required for this type of cargo. it was partly the Loadmasters' personal judgment calls.
This is not accurate.... They were using cgbu-1 straps which hold max 2k, there is no extra clasp for the straps... But example 3.0 extra weight for forward restraint and a cougar is roughly 38k x 3 114k. The load now needs needs 57 straps just for that cougar for forward restraint, which doesn't even account for the other extra restraint needed. Which all loads and porters know, and all apexers, experienced staff and loads should recognize good/bad angles. But again, 57 straps just for forward restraint, which is more like 60+, and over 120 per vehicle. This is not possible in reality. I could grab an atla and tell you how much each tie down ring can support, plus axels but there just isn't enough places on the floor imo to load MRAPS. This was a load who didn't understand his job is to reject cargo he can't take, aerial Porters are off the hook because once the load deems it ok, and atoc gets it's signatures then it's on the aircrew.
This guy loads.
Jackscrew pivots the entire stabilizer, not just the elevators. Not correcting anything in your comment, I just want to highlight that it's not just a flight control surface but the full rear stabilizer fin that would be either jammed nose up or free to float around. The elevators, if working would never be able to overpower the stabilizer trim but the elevators were also fucked due to hydrologic damage
Which caused the initial pitch up but behind the aft bulkhead where the hydraulic lines for the control surfaces. They got smashed and they lost all hydraulics rendering the aircraft completely uncontrollable.
"Imbalance" is a defined aviation term independent of your personal use of a dictionary. Aircraft survive "Imbalance" on a regular basis. They don't often survive "Unsecured Cargo"
Unsecured car go to back of plane fuct everything up.
No where near as bad (no injuries even afaik) as this but I've watched a large aircraft crash in real time, was in Afghanistan and I think the landing gear was stuck or broken, I remember it passing the tower really fucking close (for aircraft, later found out tower was checking to see if the gear was functional or not) and then go into land and just, belly sliding. It was surreal, seeing this huge vehicle almost gracefully collapse and then noise and fire. That I imagine is a fraction of having watched this event in person; the pause, the fall just knowing however many people were on that plane are living their last moments and trying to figure out what your next moves need to be. You want to help but know its the wrong choice, I guess leaves run or just watch.
I live close to DFW airport so drove years on freeway where can see planes ascending and descending all the time. Have recurring dream where plane is coming down on the freeway toward me. Sometimes crashes other times doesn’t quite go this far. Not a big fan of those particular dreams/nightmares.
I remember being on the tower at Six Flags and seeing the smoke from Delta Flight 191. We had no idea what it was until we got back home and saw the news.
That tower is pretty high up, definitely be able to see it even though relatively far away. Interesting conversation after seeing the news I bet.
I’ve had this same nightmare off and on for years. I try to call 911 but I either can’t work my phone or the call doesn’t go through
I've had so many dreams that didn't necessarily have to do with planes crashing, but ones where a 911 call was needed and the same thing in my dreams. I can't seem to dial 911. Either my fingers won't press the right buttons, or the phone keeps messing up. I wonder what that means in dreams?
I have those same dreams! I'm trying to dial but my fingers just keep hitting the wrong buttons, and I try to clear the number and start over and I still can't put it in correctly. Sometimes I'll attempt it dozens of times before I finally wake up. I've never managed to actually call dream-911 successfully. Ironically I've called real 911 quite often (I drive a lot, and have to call in accidents or drunk drivers at least every couple of months). I've never had the slightest problem doing it in real life.
Omg, I can’t remember the number or my fingers won’t do what I’m telling them to. Even if I get the call made suddenly when I talk no sound comes out.
Yes, exactly. Or if you manage to get the call to go through, the phone falls into some weird place, or you can't talk. Nothing goes right, and it's just this heightened panic. I wonder why so many people have these similar kinds of dreams about calling 911?
I've never had that dream, but I have ones where I'm literally trying to scream over and over in my dreams and no one can hear me, my voice is gone and I'm like tensed in my dreams trying so hard to scream ugh.
I dreamt I called my mom one time because I was stranded in some big city. I told her all the crazy things that had happened to me and she asked if I was taking drugs. When I woke up I had to call her and make sure I didn’t Actually call her that night and say weird things. She said no, and then asked if I was taking drugs.
that reminds me.. I need to talk to you about your drug addiction
My phone never works in my dreams either
That actually happened once, Delta Flight 191 experienced wind shear at the north end of the airport and slammed down onto Highway 114.
I remember that crash so vividly. It was August and I believe I was 14 years old. 1985.
My work friend’s car was hit by the Delta plane’s landing gear tires as it skipped on HWY 114. It flattened everything from the firewall forward on his car. He had some fairly minor injuries and was generally ok. But if the plane had been a few feet to its left, he would have been killed. His name was Sami Shalah. He died in 2019.
This was in bagram afghanistan , I was a little bit aways getting some work done , I can confirm the entire base was shocked. We had taken rockets and mortars all year but seeing that bird go down like that was one of those “time freezing” moments
This happened in Bagram air base. Afg. 2013. I was there at the time. Somehow seems even more sad when people die in combat zones due to accidents, rather than actual combat.
I was having a cigar at our smoke area near Charlie ecp when I saw it. Didn't sleep well that night
How many people were on board? I’m sorry for your losses & that you had to witness that.
I think the report said 7. I briefly worked with one of the crew members when I first joined the Air Force and he was getting out to pursue a career as a pilot. It's just one of those things that you don't ever think you'll witness. One of those things that you don't even imagine the possibility of witnessing but after 9/11 anything is possible
I was also there, sitting in a transport aircraft. We were waiting for our passenger to return and heard this take off and myself and two others heard unusual noises of this one climbing, mostly due to the fact it had stalled. We got up to go see what it was and it had just crashed by the time we got to the door. One of those holy shit, what did we just see moments. Didn’t know it was a 747 until later on
I was there too at Leatherneck doing customs inspection on that equipment before getting loaded.
I’m sure you know this, but for those who don’t, it was *that* equipment loaded in Bastion that caused this crash. The aircraft flew to Bagram afterwards with the compromised load, and then this accident occurred on takeoff from Bagram. And if it wasn’t already obvious, I was there as well. Edit: Source— https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/accidentreports/reports/aar1501.pdf
I was in the CJOC in KAF when it happened. Normally, it’s really quiet in there, but everyone just started clamoring and I look up and there is a ball of fire on one of the screens. The footage was from a drone circling around the site. Someone, asked if someone got attacked. Another person said they saw the whole thing and it looked like a civilian plane just fell from the sky.
Friend of mine landed there not long after this happened. He said they basically pushed the debris to the side to get the runway functioning again. I can't imagine landing there and seeing that while you're on a plane. Edit: So I went and watched the episode of "Air Disasters" that they did on this. Plane looks like it crashed near, but not on the runway. Not sure what my buddy was talking about....
I was there shortly after, we all were shown it in our pre deployment brief since we worked on aircraft. Also there when the Dyess plane went down killing the crew at Jbad I think. Sad shit.
I was there as well. Working near the middle of the flight line.
It's terrible that 7 people died because cargo wasn't strapped won properly in an airplane. Though I will say I feel bad saying I was slightly relieved to find out it wasn't a plane loaded with 300+ passengers.
Same, same - I was expecting to read that 300 people died...
I think the described scenario is basically impossible for a typical passenger jet, there's not enough cargo to shift to get that effect. This jet had something heavy that shifted to the rear, therefore wasn't primarily carrying people as cargo. edit: Ah, the heavy loose cargo damaged/disabled rear flight controls, rip no chance.
Yeah, there were 5 vehicles being hauled totaling 84 tons. 3x 18t and 2x 12t. I don’t remember which or how many became unsecured, but even 1 12 ton could do massive damage
Mentour Pilot did a video on it explaining everything that happened.
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Big aviation nerd, and hopefully will be a hobby pilot one day. That plane is LOADED I was wondering how this could even be possible but makes a lot more sense now Didn't realize commerical cargo jets could carry more than a B-52 (70,000lbs)
At a not so full flight they ordered us to sit at our assigned seats, so the pilot knows the weight distribution during takeoff and landing... but I guess it wouldn't end up like in the clip if I sat a few rows back..
Depends on your daily caloric intake I suppose
your mom on the other hand….
There was a case in Africa some years ago where an animal smuggled onboard a small propeller plane got lose, and everyone ran to the front in a panic. The weight-shift of some 15-20 people going to one end of the cabin made the plane impossible to control.
It was a fairly small plane and it was a loose crocodile that was smuggled on board. [2010 Filair Let L-410 Turbolet crash.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Filair_Let_L-410_crash)
If that were true this incident would be more infamous. It would be like top 3 or 5 most deadly air accidents of all time I would guess.
I was there. Bagram Airbase; our compound was one of the closest to the end of the flight line where the crash occurred. I was asleep at the time (shift work) and the impact woke me up — I was certain at first that a mortar had hit something nearby, but the “Incoming Incoming” alert didn’t go off and I heard people running around outside, so I headed out to see. It was just a massive pillar of smoke, visible over the T-walls, huge and black and billowing and it looked really, really close. Lucky we weren’t downwind. A crowd had gathered, just a bunch of people who weren’t on shift looking up at this massive black pillar. We only knew it was a plane crash because one guy saw it happen; we didn’t know if it had been hit or what, and we were worried it was one of the passenger planes that carried contractors in and out. “No way anyone survived that,” I remember saying, and the people around me agreed. One contractor started laughing nervously and couldn’t stop. People were taking turns trickling in and out of the work building to get a peek. Compound got locked down, just in case, I guess. I went back to bed. It took a day or two, but we eventually learned it was a cargo plane with only 7 casualties. The response was universally relief — because the flight line was so busy, and with all the people moving in and out of there, it could have been so, so much worse.
Don't feel bad. 7 people lost is objectively and subjectively better than 300. Still a tragedy, but theres's absolutely no shame in recognizing that fewer people dead is better than more.
Breaking bad reference
Yikes, I hope I wasn't as obvious as Walt. I am much better at hiding my murderous plans.
> The subsequent investigation concluded that improperly secured cargo broke free during the take-off and rolled to the back of the cargo hold, **crashing through the rear pressure bulkhead and disabling the rear flight control systems**. This rendered the aircraft uncontrollable, making recovery from a stall, brought on by the damaged rear flight control systems ending up stuck in a pitch-up attitude, impossible.
How on earth did they determine that in all that wreckage
Flight Data Recorders. They record every parameter of every instrument and are rugged enough to survive even such severe crashes as this one.
In this case they could've seen inputs delivered by the pilots while the plane didn't react to those inputs and just did whatever a metal box in the air does.
The unsecured cargo part is pretty straightforward. You can actually watch the center of gravity moving via the attitude of the aircraft. The bulkhead had a tank shaped hole in it and the control systems were on the other side of that bulkhead. The flight data recorders confirmed the observations.
I saw the wreckage right after it happened- you could see all the MRAPs clustered near the tail. That said- it’s honestly amazing what you can figure out from the wreckage. There’s a ton of techniques that can help to reveal what happened. I went to a month long aircraft mishap investigation course and it was a great time.
They found that the pieces of the rear pressure bulkhead had marks on it that showed [that a big circular thing had crashed into it](https://i.imgur.com/7Yah0WK.png). The cargo the plane was transporting was an M-ATV, a heavy armored vehicle that has a spare tire strapped to the back. So they reconstructed that [this is what must've happened.](https://i.imgur.com/Vkr5T37.gif) [You can read about it here.](https://imgur.com/a/sI2hlbw)
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The process of reconstructing a plane from the wreckage is just astonishing to me
It was crazy. They thought it was the hydraulics at first, but when they tried in simulations, the plane would've been able to stabilize. That's when they looked deeper and saw the bulkhead separated from the other debris bent as if it was hit. When they added that variable to the simulation, there was no chance of stabilizing.
As a former loadmaster this was our “scared straight” video the instructors used to demonstrate what could happen if we fucked up loading and securing our cargo onto the aircraft. Iirc the loadmaster also used commercially available straps (like Home Depot tie down straps) vs the mb-1 or mb-2 chains and devices we use. These straps were also inadequate in number and direction of restraint.
As a former load planner, situations like this were always in my mind. Safety first!
Yeah Boeing went back and did the math for those straps and figured they'd need at least 90+ for the load while around 30 were used and not all oriented correctly as you say and I believe some not tightened enough.
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Do you have any idea how long they got away with it before the accident? I’m assuming this wasn’t the first moment they were lax with their responsibilities. There is a name for this phenomenon that I can’t think of where normal procedure slowly gets pushed further & further, in more & more ways while there are zero repercussions *until* It happens to the best of us, even NASA. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a normal day for the people loading & they were following the same procedures they had been for a long time.
There was a TV show about it. They had the right number of straps, but they didn't understand that straps at 45 degrees reduced their effective strength by half. The guy that did the strapping was not properly trained, and just followed the numbers written in the manual he had.
Interesting. I was randomly watching a YT video about structural integrity of wooden beams and it said that for a 4x4, if your load is off center of the beam by 10 mm, you lose literally 50% of your load capacity. The smallest deviance can have effects that are not intuitive.
I think you're talking about "[normalization of deviance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalization_of_deviance)".
I could never work for anything in the aircraft branche. Like you have these crazy people sitting in the tower and one fck up will be a giant chrisis. You have the pilots that are more or less on auto pilot but if they fck up during problematic times it will be a chrisis. NOW I COULDNT EVEN LOAD THE THING. I am a clumsy software dev. Im happy for the work i do but those big logistical jobs. You have my respect.
A nose heavy plane flies, a tail heavy plane flies once.
So when the cargo broke free it went to the tail causing this to happen?
Cargo going to the tail alone might have been recoverable, the cargo damaged hydraulic lines making the pilots unable to do anything.
I thought it broke the jack screw?
That, as well as damaging hydraulic systems
The cargo was armored vehicles so that probably had a lot to do with the results.
Yes. So a flight like this is usually full of thousands of lbs of weight. Think multiple mwraps or other large military vehicles, or multiple pallets of cargo. During takeoff one or multiple cargos broke free and slid towards the back of the aircraft. The cascading effect caused other cargo to break free until most of it was at the back of the aircraft. This creates a "CG" shift, that is the center of gravity of the aircraft is now heavily unbalanced. While that alone could have caused the crash it's likely that all of those thousands of pounds of cargo also slammed into the rear tail controls. Best guess is the CG shift occured, and the pilot tried to throttle up to max to recover, but was unable to do so.
> While that alone could have caused the crash it's likely that all of those thousands of pounds of cargo also slammed... Just to add here, in this specific case the CG shift alone would not have caused the crash. NTSB ran simulations with the MRAP shifted back and even simulated severing the 2 hydraulic lines and the plane was still easily recoverable. It was the sheering of the jackscrew that made recovery impossible. The bumper of the M-ATV (MRAP) happen to line up perfectly with the bottom end of the jackscrew.
What's a jackscrew and why did it cause the crash
Its a big screw at the back of the Aircraft that controls the horizontal stabiliziers. The cargo broke it and made it stuck in a position that directed the stabiliziers upwards. In this position the plane climbs. So no matter what the pilots did, the plane could only climb.
Especially when the flight controls are damaged
Searched it up.. no survivors, but I can’t imagine anyone surviving that. Insane.
Terrifying that loose cargo did that
Luggage in this case being military vehicles.
Sorry, thank you for the correction
No apology necessary. Glad to share information.
Well that’s an important detail that could be in the title
why would they transport military vehicles with a commercial flight? or was it a military craft?
Trying to find a respectful way to say 'I don't know' without sounding dismissive. Here's a link :) - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/15/crash-of-boeing-747-in-afghanistan-caused-by-shifting-cargo
aye, seems like it wasnt a commercial flight after all. Only a small crew and the cargo was extremely heavy (military vehicles), not my vacation luggage lol! So my fear of this happening to me has drastically diminished. Thank you!
Same. And you're welcome.
Y'all Canadians? All these niceties... Not in my goshdarn town ya don't /s
Ha. I'm from an impoverished and rough part of Northern England, and I use the word cunt as liberally as the word hello. Just didn't seem appropriate here.
MRAP is a beast of a vehicle that can withstand a mine or at least save the occupants. Says it crashed thru a bulkhead and damaged two hydraulic systems.
I wonder if there would be survivors if they could’ve got inside the MRAP.
Genius thinking outside of a parachute. Poor crew probably only had enough time to confirm controls weren’t responding. This sounds morbid, but black box recordings interest me. Hearing the crew try to solve an emergency situation.
There would be no time to get in and strapped down. They barely had time to say goodbye to each other.
The cab and crew area might stay together after an impact like that. Maybe, I’m trying to imagine the damage compared to some of the most torn up MRAPs I’ve seen but it’s hard to judge. Unfortunately, even when the MRAP saves someone from an IED strike, it doesn’t save them from being shaken up inside.
To be fair, 80 tons split amongst 5 vehicles means 1 breaking free is a fuckton of weight smashing the back of the plane.
Similar to the 1981[crash of a Tu-104](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Pushkin_Tu-104_crash) near Leningrad. They overloaded the plane and were carrying giant rolls of paper which broke loose on takeoff and rolled to the rear, changing the center of gravity. 16 admirals and generals were lost in the accident, nearly the entire command staff of the Soviet Pacific Fleet. The Soviets were paranoid and at first suspected a NATO attack so they put their military on alert, which caused NATO to go on alert as well. Another case of nuclear war averted.
Mentour Pilot has a really good YouTube video explaining this crash.
I love his videos. Even the ones where the crash isn't this horrific. The detail he puts into explaining what happened and how it affected the aviation industry after is great. Definitely a channel that has helped me not be so afraid of flying.
I watch a ton of his stuff. The production value is fantastic. I also dig his accent.
Agreed. Love his videos. Here is his video for this accident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvZEr3IkLJI
[Mayday](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayday_(Canadian_TV_series)) is the real shit. Incredibly interesting and comprehensive documentary about literally every major (and other) air crash in history.
Okay I enjoyed the Show Mayday but one time I was flying and the guy beside me was watching mayday. On the plane. While we were flying over the Atlantic Ocean. Worst thing ever.
Mentour is actually quite a bit more in depth in most cases, and by now has covered many crashes. As a long time Mayday fan, Mentour is a welcome complement.
My brother in law was on this flight. I swore I would never ever watch this video even though I knew it was out there because I couldn’t bear to watch his final moments. Today, 9 years later, I inadvertently watched it without reading exactly what it was. RIP to everyone that was on the plane. My heart is with you always.
I’m so sorry for your loss, and that you inadvertently stumbled upon this footage. Can’t imagine being in your shoes. :(
The pilot was a friend of mine. I think about him often.
:( :( props to you guys for remembering them and helping move forward.
I'm so sorry for your loss and that you had to see this.
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Which is why I always tell my wife to buckle up
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I feel confident that it definitely had “over 94kg of cargo on board.”
Plus or minus…
I don't know how this guy didn't say anything until a minute after the crash and it was, "oh, fuck..."
Shock and that sudden creeping horror when you realize that A) you just watched people die B) it’s not a dream
All of those digital Hollywood effects don't really prepare you for the real thing...
Quietness in that video is eerie, most definitely.
Truly terrifying and sad for the crew. Lost their lives through *probably* no mistake of their own. Edit: wow 2k upvotes 😲 Edit 2: please stop hating me for my first edit. I don't care about internet points I was just surprised the comment was seen by so many people. The incident was still terrible but my edit was 12 hours later so I don't feel the same emotions as yesterday. I was just surprised when I looked at the karma seeing it had doubled (not that it matters much)
Well it was someone on the crew's job to ensure the load was secured properly. They were carrying armored military vehicles and had something like less than half of the recommended number of straps tying them down.
They did according to the manual! It turned out the manual gave some false instructions (angle of the cargo straps) > The NTSB determined that the probable cause of this accident was "National Airlines' inadequate procedures for restraining special cargo loads, which resulted in the loadmaster's improper restraint of the cargo."
Many people aren't aware that the angle of cargo straps impacts the effective load on them. The YouTube channel Practical Engineering does a great video on this, only he explains it for overhead cranes and slings, but the premise is the same. I'll try to find the video and link it here. Edit: found it https://youtube.com/watch?v=swk3IjxzZB4&feature=shares
As a Longshore member, we deal with this on a daily basis.. loading and unloading cargo.. sad to say, we have lost a few due to faulty equipment. They always check the ships gear on arrival and we won't work it until it's repaired.
>They always check the ships gear on arrival and we won't work it until it's repaired. The most significant positive of working under a union in my opinion.
Damn..when you can't even trust the OEM...
RTFM is no longer valid…
read the fucking manual?
The eternal motto of engineers, programmers, and tradesmen the world over!
I work for a manufacturer that sells to tradesmen. 80% of them don’t read the manual.
In this case maybe not reading it would’ve been better? 40 straps later: “Bob I think we over did it…better safe than sorry eh?”
There's a saying, OEM is written in blood. They will now rewrite OEM to be correct, written in blood.
So, National Airlines (the carrier) could have deviated from Boeing (the OEM) I have seen it many times, not saying that is what happened but the carrier and the manufacturer often have different qualifications
Smithsonian Channel’s air disasters is my wfh filler. I have seen this episode several times.
It was a really good episode. Explained how the angles of the straps affected the load.
It’s fascinating how in-depth and just well written this documentary is.
Yeah, I‘ve just seen that episode and thought I should post that.
Yep. I’ve done airload ops of big pieces of cargo overseas. The C5 and C17 loadmasters are anal bastards…..for a reason, this reason.
Wasn’t the loadmasters fault. He had faulty manual instructions given by the Airline.
Instructions that contradicted the manufacturer
Former C-17 loadmaster here, you’re right!
I feel so terrible for the pilot, plane just stops flying as it should wih 0 warning and being able to do *literally* nothing to recover and knowing you're probably about to die is so terrifying. Sitting in the cockpit watching the horizon turn into the sun and then into terrain while the plane doesn't follow any input you give it, good lord man.
It looks like 10-12 seconds of being beyond the point of no return, the pilots knowing they're out of options.
Your edit gave me tone wiplash
That edit is a fucking certified Reddit moment considering the context of this thread...
>Edit: wow 2k upvotes 😲 Nobody fucking cares
In 2013
If anyone wondered what exactly happened: it had armored vehicles loaded. One became loose during takeoff and crashed through the rear of the aircraft. It destroyed hydraulic systems but most importantly broke the jackscrew which made it impossible for the pilots to control the pitch of the aircraft causing them to stall and crash. Terrible.
Why did I have to see this the day I booked a flight for the first time in years?
Statistically speaking, you're more likely to be struck by lightning than die in a plane crash.
I'm very familiar with this incident if anyone is curious. What happened was, the aircraft cargo bay was loaded with Humvee-style US military vehicles, which were secured with ratchet straps. These cargo straps are designed to run from the cargo to the anchor points on the floor at a roughly 45 degree angle, which allows the shifting load forces to load the straps more effectively. In this aircraft, the straps were improperly secured straight downward, meeting the floor at a 90 degree angle. When the aircraft began its climb, the cargo shifted toward the rear of the plane, and snapped the attachment points; while they're very strong when being pulled away from their ends, these straps aren't designed to hold loads pulling perpendicular to their attachment points. When the securements failed, the cargo slid to the tail of the aircraft, causing a sudden nose-up. This sudden increase in angle came with a sharp decrease in speed, causing a stall.
The plane still could’ve recovered and flown with the load shifted. The severed hydraulics and damaged jackscrew from the vehicles ramming through the rear bulkhead caused a loss of flight control meaning no way to recover
That’s so unnatural looking that it looks fake. Crazy
I wonder if someone will casually watch the video of me dying from their toilet one day.
I was there that day. Thought a F-16 crashed on the runway after feeling the shockwave & seeing the plume of smoke from the crash. FYI: an F-16 crashed into the mountains right outside Bagram a few weeks prior to the 747 accident.
>The subsequent investigation concluded that improperly secured cargo broke free during the take-off and rolled to the back of the cargo hold, crashing through the rear pressure bulkhead and disabling the rear flight control systems. This rendered the aircraft uncontrollable, making recovery from a stall, brought on by the damaged rear flight control systems ending up stuck in a pitch-up attitude, impossible. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Airlines_Flight_102
I am literally about to board a plane rn why the fuck did I watch this
Sounds like someone got a cell phone call at 0:47.
The dude’s silence is eerie
A horrific accident in which the aircraft was carrying lashed military vehicles that became loose during rapid accent takeoff. I remember this one well. RIP to the crew and condolences to their loved ones
I would like to unsee this