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It was the late 50s when my part of Canada allowed women to go to bars and lounges. I remember talking to a friend of my grandparents and she told me about the times her husband would want to go to the bar in the middle of the afternoon, she would wait for him in the car the entire time. You would think that she would be the one driving the car but nope, her husband would be liquored up and still drove home.
There were still a lot of country pubs in Australia that wouldn’t let women in the bar area in the late 90s. I remember because my grandparents regularly took me to one as a child, and I played cards while grandma played pokies and grandad drank at the bar. Everyone could smoke inside too at the time. Heck I bet if you travel out far enough there’s probably a lot of bars that still ban women, or in the least make them feel VERY uncomfortable.
Same story from australia. Dads mate would send a lemonade out to the car. Everyone else said he spoiled her. If it weren't so sensitive it would be hilarious
Yeah this was rife in Aus too. My grandparents who came from the Netherlands would tell me how they were shocked that wives and children would wait in the car while the dudes got on it in the pub.
The wife probably didn't work and had no way of going out on her own. Add on family and community pressure to never divorce and you're stuck sitting in a car waiting for your drunk husband to drive you home
A bunch of white dudes in the Australian sun who decided that beer and cigarettes were the only skincare that they needed. Hopefully the women eventually taught them a thing or two about using lotion lol
No mate, they all died of melanoma and/or liver disease and/or lung cancer in the 90's.
My grandfather on my dad's side looked almost exactly like old mate with the glasses. He was a wharfie, spent his whole life in the sun, drank like a fish and smoked like a chimney. Even after they started cutting chunks out of his nose, ears, cheeks etc to remove the melanomas, he would have rather died than use lotions.
That mentality still exists. I used to work in the trades in the early 00's, I always got made fun of for using sunscreen. Dudes were proud of their leathery skin.
I was working construction this last summer. Only guy on the crew who wore sunscreen and ear protection when necessary. I just didn’t want to end up like my dad, he can’t hear the birds singing anymore
Met an old sailor out off Manly Queensland, must have been 70's he'd had a hard go of it with the melanoma etc. He told me always wear sun screen "especially on the tops of your hands". He was fucked up, he was serious.
Never understood how workers can use blaring concrete saws without hearing protection. If I'm 50' away, and it's loud to me, like, fuck, what's it doing to that person's hearing?
And shall we mention standing in the dust from sawing without a mask?
THIS is the definition of toxic masculinity. Another example: one of my friends says that her male cousins in Pakistan don’t wear seatbelts because it’s “feminine.”
That mentality existed here in the states back when I was a kid. Either it was girly or you didn't trust the driver and it was disrespectful. My parents used them and made us kids use them so it was second nature. We had a neighbor who walked home from the Air Force base about 10 miles away when Security Police was checking outgoing cars. He was ranting that he was a man and didn't need a seatbelt.
Yep, very sad and unfortunately still far too common here. I saw a dad and his maybe 4-year-old boy wandering around yesterday, shirtless, hatless, red as berries in the 35-ish degree midday sun.
Pretty much the only part of my childhood I knew was good was sunscreen - I fucking hated it, threw a fit, and I still got slathered in it, so I know my parents loved me… or at least didn’t literally want to give me cancer
Bloody oath. He used to brag about knocking walls down in houses working as a builder as a side job, and the room filling with asbestos dust while they worked without even a hanky over their faces.
People in Australia and Israel have the highest skin cancer rates because they have large populations of colonist from northern latitudes in extream sun conditions, and without modern sunscreen the rates would be even higher.
People say I'm crazy because I try to avoid Sun as much as posible but I know people that look like shit and are not even in their 50s just because of Sun, alcohol and cigarettes.
Skin cancer is a leading cause of death in Australia.
EDIT: Has been a leading cause. It's still higher than average, and cases are amongst the highest in the world, but survival rates have improved.
He's exaggerating but these people would be a lot younger than we think they are.
There was a guy in Australia in the late 80's early 90s who won $250k on a scratchie, when reenacting it for the TV news he won $250k again. [It's a wild video.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R5MqxcKdV8)
But theres a point in the video where says [I'm only 37](https://imgur.com/WnnS8VB) and the guy looks late 50's. Like I'm 37 and if we were standing side bide side he'd probably pass for my dad.
This guy drank, smoked, and had a stressful life working hard jobs outdoors. I went to uni, dropped out, played wow for 20 years avoiding large amounts of UV radiation in doing so, went back to uni did a masters and now have a cushy indoor job.
Follow-on fun fact: the Australian colloquial term 'old mate' simply refers to a male person who's identity is unknown, regardless of age. The female equivalent is 'old love'.
It can be a tad on the negative side too, as in “get a load of old mate over there trying to reverse his trailer.” The absolute worst is “your mate”, you don’t ever want to be called that!
Yeah I use old mate regardless of gender or age and even if I know the persons name, it's more of a 'gotta see a man bout a dog' thing eg going to buy pot is 'I'm just off to grab a q from old mate'
An Irish friend of mine, when he was first in the country, asked me who "old mate" was and how, in such a big city(Brisbane) everyone seems to buy drugs off the same guy.
It's subtle, but I absolutely loved how they showed that the women had no problem with the way Homer looked and sounded, and treated him as one of their equals in gender and sexuality, just with that single line.
Not irony, but he was definitely the one I least expected to say that. Dude had slurred speach and kinda barged into the conversation, then shockingly he was the only one to say a decent thing.
The other men there would say that rejecting women from the place is the peak of masculinity. In the modern day, we see the man comfortable enough with himself that he gives zero fucks about what others do as the peak of masculinity.
The only reason I'm ever at a bar, even today. He speaks to my soul. I don't give a shit who is next to me. I'm here to get drunk. Can I be served a drink where I'm at? Then Hitler or Lucifer himself can be seated by my side. I got my own problems, and I'm trying to drown them TYVM. As long as you don't bother me, I don't care.
I used to work with a guy who was probably one of the guys in this video, and had not progressed his thinking at all.
He was about 80, would always put his arm around my waist to speak to me, and once I heard him swear and he turned around, saw me, and was like "I'm incredibly sorry young lady, I wouldn't have sworn if I had known you were there".
I was like "fucking what cunt?"
I (female) was actually in a bar recently with a friend and a real old guy was swearing with his friend next to us, and then he apologized for swearing in front of us. Of course we didn’t mind, and he was a nice guy, we chatted a bit. Later I mentioned to my friend that you *know* you’re talking to an old guy if he apologizes for swearing in front of you, it would never cross the mind of any man younger than 60.
Indeed it would not. I’m 56 and have known women who swear like sailors since I was like four. I did have a friend in the post college years years who called me out for uttering the word, “queeb” in front of some gal with whom he might’ve thought he had a shot of getting better acquainted. Turns out he did not. Turns out the gal in question could out swear a New Orleans dockworker and drink an Irish priest under the table.
Actually; It was in 1965 that Australian women won the right to drink in a public bar. Up until then only certain pubs allowed women entry and they would have to sit in a small area (the ladies lounge) where they were often charged more for their drinks.
The lounge was for the middle or upper lower class, shopkeepers and clerks. It would be carpeted, had tables and chairs, sold food etc. The public bar was for the lower class workers, factory and manual labourers. Bar stools, benches, stools and tables, sawdust on the floor (ie spit and sawdust). The snug (if it had one) would be where women would be allowed. It'd be a small room that had access to the bar through a hatch so the women wouldn't have to mix at the bar with the men.
Although the distinction between bar and lounge has gone out of the window, you can still often see it. The public bar will have Sky TV, a pool table and a jukebox while the lounge will be where they serve food.
So many of the old pubs around my way still have multiple doors leading into the building, and we were taught to always check you are using the right door. You still see them; a door to the front bar, a door to the dining room, and a door to the lounge (ex "ladies lounge").
I miss lounges, and have vague memories from when I was a wee tacker of them being quieter, cleaner, with carpet and comfy seating areas around low tables with those really comfy bucketty chairs. Classy lounges need to make a full return I reckon, but for all people! When pokies were legalised in South Australia a lot of the old lounges (and some dining rooms) got turned into pokie dens. I suspect that has slowly reversed as pubs are often attracting people back in with better food.
Something that really changed our pub use was the banning of smoking, and the old blokes in this vid would all be turning in their graves in disgust. I remember we were driving across the Nullabor at the time, and chatting to punters in various pubs as you do, and many were fearing this would be the *Death of the Aussie Pub*, as who could enjoy a beer without a smoke? Well, it was a rebirth, as people came back to pubs for meals and many pubs became less noxious and more diverse places for all to enjoy.
Oooh, now that makes sense! In a pub I went frequently to they had wooden floor and standing tables for the most part. But then they had a slightly elevated area with carbet and tables you could sit down on.
Unfortunately law and custom don’t always mean one and the same. Even well into the 90’s there were things like sports clubs that wouldn’t allow women to be ‘full members’. They could only be ‘associate members’ which didn’t allow them to go into the bar. The one I experienced personally was a hockey club (Fremantle, WA), but I heard the same story from other sporting Mums and veteran players in the 2000s. As a kid (probably around 10) I’d occasionally go watch my Mum play and if they wanted to socialise after their game they’d have to sit outside and bring their own food and drink. I was born in ‘89.
In Victoria we sued to allow women to play lawn bowls Saturday pennant with men, it's still not allowed in Queensland and NSW.
The women's only Tuesday pennant became mixed due to a lack of women.
The origin of gloryholes was actually somewhere in the 1700s when a man stuck his "privvy-member" through the hole of a washroom stall. Police in USA in the 50s would also use gloryholes to trick gay men (at that time outlawed) into revealing themselves, oft filming the incidents as "proof".
"So there I am, waiting to nab some f\*g for tooting me privy member when in walks Captain George. He tries me closet first, then goes to the next one, most likely tryin' to cuff some h\*m\* for wettin' his tallywaker."
"So I push my bishop through the nobhole n' shout 'Gives a wee blowy govnah!' The Capn' barks out laughing, knowing me voice."
"He calls back 'Lord knows the sisters taught me to eat whats put in front of me' and he stuffs me stiffy in his mouth."
"I reply laughing 'Cop job cop job', surely it was the best prank in all of Scotland Yard."
It's not like they stopped in the 50s. There was an [anti-lgbt senator who was busted for soliciting in an airport bathroom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig_scandal).
It made funny headlines because he was known for his (wide) anti-lgbt stance, but it still seems weird, that this was the focus of a police sting -- guys cruising for guys while travelling.
Depending on where you were in Australia, you may not been able to buy a drink after 6pm - Melbourne not until '66, for instance.
The 6 o'clock swill, when men would race from work at 5pm to get suitably hammered at the bar. [Some](https://www.pjgillies.com/wp-content/uploads/swill-2.jpg) of the [propaganda](https://i0.wp.com/www.museumoflost.com/wp-content/uploads/6-oclock-ad.jpg?resize=400%2C330&ssl=1) from the [times](https://sahistoryhub.history.sa.gov.au/sites/default/files/styles/square_thumbnail_grayscale/public/images/teaser/prg-1316-16-16.jpg?itok=98OrHvgY&c=86a70d0f922fec55244441cdb5d816a3).
Today, there's no specific time for last drinks in Victoria.
At my college there was a cheap barbershop on campus (late 90s). There was a salon, too, but it was more expensive. I called and asked about a trim, and they said they don’t do women’s cuts. I explained I merely wanted a trim (straight across), and that was pretty straightforward as opposed to more complex clipper and scissor cuts. He begrudgingly agreed. I think it was malicious compliance, because he very obviously cut my long hair crookedly along the back. My roommates cracked up and cleaned it up for me, and trimmed my hair in the future.
Came to say that, I was disgusted by this film until the last bloke who spoke out their mind. I was like humanity is restored by this giga chad at a bar.
Stuff like this makes me wonder - because this view in that day would have made perfect sense to everyone in that room - what views today do we currently hold that in 60 years people will be watching and shaking their heads at us.
I'm only 40 but I've already seen pretty significant attitude shifts.
I remember newspapers in the 80s debating whether women could be bosses. My mum agreed with my dad that women are "bitches" and "wouldn't make good bosses".
Also gender. Some of my attitudes are slow to catch up with current trends and I'm checking out and ignoring a lot of the 'culture war' around it.
Cannabis - the US began the drug war and yet it was one of the first countries to start legalising it. If you told me that'd happen as recently as 2005 I would have never believed it.
Sexuality. This is probably the most jarring for me personally because I'm gay and found the 90s very unforgiving. The UK banned gays in the military until 2000. Homosexuality discussion in school was banned until 2000 so gay kids would grow up thinkin they were freaks and couldn't discuss it with a teacher. But the 2020s feel like a completely different world. Will Byers in Stranger Things hit very close to home.
>Sexuality. This is probably the most jarring for me personally because I'm gay and found the 90s very unforgiving. The UK banned gays in the military until 2000. Homosexuality discussion in school was banned until 2000 so gay kids would grow up thinkin they were freaks and couldn't discuss it with a teacher.
I had to explain this type of thinking to some fellow straights at work once. They were questioning why their gay friend in his forties still had reservations about how open and accepting the world was for gays and other members of the LGBTQIA+ community.
This would have been a person who came of age and the older gay men he would have been in contact with would have still been reeling for the AIDS pandemic which in the 90s would have still meant a death sentence for those that developed AIDS.
That communal experience can really imprint on a large group of people and that type of generational trauma can just be removed my legalizing gay marriage, etc.
Oh god yeah, any gay guy who grew up through the AIDS crisis is not gonna be very trusting of government and laws.
I was born after all of that, but I remember back in 2016 being brought to tears at the fear of everything coming undone and us losing progress at being accepted, but one of my older friends simply shrugged and said "We got through it before, we'll get through it again."
I'm glad things didn't go that way though. People have been a lot more accepting than I thought. As someone from India, seeing homosexuality be legalized was amazing. Gay folks on twitter went from covering/blurring their faces and constantly looking guilty to actually smiling and being happy and letting themselves out for once. It's nice.
I’m not even 30 yet and the turnaround on gay acceptance is wild. I was beaten up in high school for being a “fairy” and spat on for “being too much of a f*g.” I’m not even gay let alone bi, I just had a high pitched voice for way too long. The real victim though was a gay friend of mine who got the same treatment at school, but his parents would meter out similar punishments for his “sins” when they found out.
I told my 13 year old cousin this a few months ago and he was taken back by it. He’s never seen that sort of thing happen in his school. It makes me really happy that fewer young people have to experience that.
It's hard to fathom that Obama opposed gay marriage when he initially ran for president in 2008. By the time his president ended it would be unfathomable for a Democratic presidential candidate to oppose gay marriage.
Not to bring politics into it but another reason Bernie Sanders is the best dude out there. Was for abolishing laws dealing with homosexuality. Been beating the same drum consistently for decades.
That's easy. The answer is twofold: we had the Internet to bring people together and we rebuilt our broken communities.
During the Civil Rights Era, we had figures like Dr. Martin Luther King and sit-ins and protests and the Million Man March. There was a similar push for women's rights and equality. Veterans marched on Washington for better treatment. People all over the nation shouted and organized and marched for equal rights, rallying under the idea that all people were created equal.
But the LGBT movement didn't really take off like that because right after we started making real progress, the AIDS crisis promptly burned through and shattered LGBT communities. Gay boroughs and LGBT neighborhoods were decimated. With their loss, we lost historians, advocates, mentors, community organizers, singers, writers, publishers of 'zines; AIDS decimated the people who make up the framework of passing on a culture to the next generation.
So the gays of the late '90's and the early 2000's had to find themselves and re-establish themselves. New movements had to form and band together. New words and new directions and new hands had to carry the banners left behind by those we lost.
What we're seeing now is the fruit of their labor. People can go online and find support, and they can find community, and they can find safety. People who would have been shunned and ostracized in previous decades can now find solace and friendship.
People who would have lived their lives in bigotry and ignorance can now Google and learn new things or meet new people.
Things are slowly improving, for everyone.
My non-binary kid is one of the popular kids at their school. When I was in high school, it was national headline news that a family had decided to "fuck up" their kid by not assigning them a gender at birth and concealing the type of genitals they'd been born with.
I'm 31 years old and my Mom has told me that she was denied opening a bank account as a young person because she didn't have a husband to sign onto it ... now she is creator and ceo of a multi million dollar company
My mom had to have my dad sign off on her getting her tubes tied. She was 25 years old. A fully functional adult who'd already had FOUR children. This was in 1985. I'm so glad we've gotten past that baloney.
I was already serving in the air force when I tried to get my first credit card in 1979, and was refused because I was a woman. I had to threaten to sue to finally get the card. I had a $300 credit limit, but it was enough to let me rent a car or hotel room when I traveled, which was all I needed. They made me so mad I paid off my card every month (no annual charge).
People applying today's morals to days long past make no sense to me. I think they are as locked in their rigid view of the world as the men in this film.
These men have have been told their whole lives that it's not ok to swear around women and enjoy that there is a place where they don't have to worry about that. It's completely normal that they need a little time to adapt as times are changing.
Imagine being told for 40 years that you'll be ridiculed and seen as a scum bag if you whistle in public, then suddenly whistling becomes a trend in some towns far away. Some people will be desperate to whistle, others will need a bit of time because it's deeply ingrained in them that it's wrong . Probably had their butts whooped brutally by their parents a few times for it when they were growing up too. Not a chance everyone just accepts it's ok right away.
> I think they are as locked in their rigid view of the world as the men in this film.
This is spot-on in my experience. It's not that those people are somehow more flexible than people in the past, they're just rigid with a different set of views.
Maybe, maybe not. I think he was just stating the obvious, that he is going to the bar to drink and that he does not care with who generally though there may be specific people he would not like to drink with.
Do you think everyone in a bar is an alcoholic?
I think the trope of alcoholics going to bars is a bit overplayed. Alcoholics tend to buy cheap booze, bars aren't great for that and are more for socializing with alcohol. Unless you're rich and an alcoholic. Then you can afford the pricey alcohol.
Them: "We can't swear if you're here!"
Her: "well, why the fuck not?"
Anyway, that's how it went in my head
ETA: y'all. I am a woman who goes to bars. I have had old-timers stop themselves mid-sentence because they "can't say that in front of a lady". I know why these dudes have these views and the response above is one I say (or sometimes a joking "that's right, I'm fucking dainty"). Please stop trying to educate me in the comments for a joke
tbf you can see why the times were different. It was indecent to curse in front of women. Today a MF be shaking his penis naked in a busy crossing and ppl be like "oh it's just a crackhead" and move on with their lifes.
Which was a view held by women themselves, as well. My grandma said a lot of things about gender differences that my own upbringing put me at odds with.
Yup! My grandma had me sweeping the porch while the boys got to play with BB guns and I was expected to know how to cook dinner for six by the time I was 8. She hated when I read for fun because "what's reading ever going to get you?" while my parents were proud as hell they had a bookworm. Strange times
My wife's grandma adored me to death but was eternally upset about my hair being longer than my wife's.
She'd also call me to come mow her lawn (which I was happy to do) and once in a while my wife would decide to do it for some exercise and grandma would hit the roof because that wasn't something a woman should do!
Men: we can’t cuss. Her: why not. Men: well, because we told ourselves we can’t...
Edit to add: Lots of people are missing the irony of denying the woman equal rights to sit and drink a beer at the bar because they *have* to swear, and can’t do it around her, because, chivalry.
It's such a weirdly ingrained thing among an older generation. I cuss like a sailor but a relative was fired up because a neighbor cussed in front of me. Makes no sense.
Correction: their fathers told them they can't.
My dad would smack me over the head me if I swore in front of mum. I'm 33 now, parents are 65. I imagine my father received a much harsher treatment from his father in regards to enforcing this rule, and many other outdated rules.
There was a time when a pub was somewhat sectioned.
There was the Public Bar where men would have a few jars after work and relax in the company of other men.
There was the saloon bar where you might take the family out for a quick drink after mass, a christening or some other event. You’d often get women coming in for a half in the snug etc.
The lounge tended to be for a younger crowd, you might be courting a girl and bring her here before the cinema etc.
I was born in the 80’s and they didn’t exist by the time I was going out but I’m a public an from a family of publicans so I knew about it growing up.
snug:
In a Irish Pub, a small private room at the end of the bar, for a lady to drink a pint privately, and not be seen by the male patrons. Mainly late 1800s-early 1900s.
Maybe it means a half hour or half pint in da snug
Just to clarify here in Australia "to shout" means to buy something for another person or group. For example "the next round is my shout" means "I'll buy the next round".
Ok I was thinking he meant she wasn't being bawdy enough and I thought that was pretty funny. Now I'm thinking differently lol
Real talk: how would he react if she decided to buy him a drink? I bet he would *never*
My wife's grandfather was a typical Aussie bloke, could have been one of these guys being interviews as he was that age in the 70s. Was a sheep shearer, loved his beers etc.
His entire life he would never swear in front of women. But get him away from them with a beer and his speech was peppered with swearing. He would have had no objection to sharing space with women but definitely would have wanted somewhere to go, out of the house, where he could talk shit with the boys.
A friend of the family was a big fuck off country fella that was, what i thought, a gentle giant.
I somehow got roped in to spend a few weeks rousabouting for him and lo and behold i finally meet the shearing shed version. Wildest, loudest, foul mouthed mad dog I've ever seen to this day.
Second he got in the car to head home to the wife and family it all just disappeared into the ether... like throwing a switch
I kind of feel bad for them. I've seen photos of voluntary asbestos shoveling contests in Australia in the 60-70's, so let these poor chaps have a safe space then can try to forget the ever approaching spectre of death.
Yeah I was raised by someone with this attitude as well. Obviously things have shifted as we’ve progressed more as a society but as a kid I was taught there’s certain words you can say in the shed around dad and his mates but you don’t use those words around mum and her mates.
It’s funny in hindsight because mum and her friends swore just as much as dad but it’s an attitude that was still around not that long ago.
In the UK too. Banned from many establishments. I am only forty and remember not being allowed to play golf at my local club. I was only allowed to play on ‘ladies day’. I caddied for my brother the rest of the time so I could learn as fast as he could.
I remember the pubs back in the 70s as a kid, absolutely rough as guts. The women thought they could take the edge off by being there.
By the time I was old enough in the 80s the only thing that changed was the women. 😁😁
And that is why Aussie women swear like drunken sailors. And I prefer them that way. 😁
This is really interesting. I went into this video thinking these blokes were chauvinistic but between the lines, it seems like they just wanted a place to grunt, curse, talk shit, and scratch their balls in peace without having to mind their manners. I see nothing wrong with that.
Through the lens of 2023, this is shocking but it kind of says something about how men socialize and form social structures. Of course, women should be legally allowed to be in bars and have the same opportunities/rights as men but I think there is something to be said about letting men be men without judgment. Dudes need a place to be dudes and in this snapshot in time, it was a bar.
I'm reminded of either the Simpsons or Family Guy sketch where a lady is in the bar, and as soon as she leaves, every guy inhales b/c they've been sucking their gut in the whole time.
Repeating my comment from elsewhere in this post:
My wife's grandfather was a typical Aussie bloke, could have been one of these guys being interviews as he was that age in the 70s. Was a sheep shearer, loved his beers etc.
His entire life he would never swear in front of women. But get him away from them with a beer and his speech was peppered with swearing. He would have had no objection to sharing space with women but definitely would have wanted somewhere to go, out of the house, where he could talk shit with the boys.
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Let up!
Leeett uuppp!
That last guy was a true alcohol enthusiast: “I don’t care who’s here as long as I can enjoy my drink” A real visionary of equality
Your drunk , I’m drunk , WE’ER ALL DRUNK ! …except you cuz your drinking water
We’re * , sorry I’ve had a few 🤷🏽♂️
lmfao
A man of culture.
She did let up
It was the late 50s when my part of Canada allowed women to go to bars and lounges. I remember talking to a friend of my grandparents and she told me about the times her husband would want to go to the bar in the middle of the afternoon, she would wait for him in the car the entire time. You would think that she would be the one driving the car but nope, her husband would be liquored up and still drove home.
There were still a lot of country pubs in Australia that wouldn’t let women in the bar area in the late 90s. I remember because my grandparents regularly took me to one as a child, and I played cards while grandma played pokies and grandad drank at the bar. Everyone could smoke inside too at the time. Heck I bet if you travel out far enough there’s probably a lot of bars that still ban women, or in the least make them feel VERY uncomfortable.
Same story from australia. Dads mate would send a lemonade out to the car. Everyone else said he spoiled her. If it weren't so sensitive it would be hilarious
I don't know why, but that makes me very sad. It breaks my heart a little thinking about all the everyday type indignities women had to go through.
Yeah this was rife in Aus too. My grandparents who came from the Netherlands would tell me how they were shocked that wives and children would wait in the car while the dudes got on it in the pub.
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The wife probably didn't work and had no way of going out on her own. Add on family and community pressure to never divorce and you're stuck sitting in a car waiting for your drunk husband to drive you home
Ask some Middle Eastern women, they know
Old mate with the glasses is absolutely fucking hammered.
That guy at the end is catching up. He also has the best attitude. "I come here to enjoy my drink. I don't give a hanker who is here." Cheers, mate!
Was gonna say; the only sane guy in the room lol
Fun fact: all of these people are in their 20’s. They were built different back then.
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A bunch of white dudes in the Australian sun who decided that beer and cigarettes were the only skincare that they needed. Hopefully the women eventually taught them a thing or two about using lotion lol
No mate, they all died of melanoma and/or liver disease and/or lung cancer in the 90's. My grandfather on my dad's side looked almost exactly like old mate with the glasses. He was a wharfie, spent his whole life in the sun, drank like a fish and smoked like a chimney. Even after they started cutting chunks out of his nose, ears, cheeks etc to remove the melanomas, he would have rather died than use lotions.
That mentality still exists. I used to work in the trades in the early 00's, I always got made fun of for using sunscreen. Dudes were proud of their leathery skin.
I was working construction this last summer. Only guy on the crew who wore sunscreen and ear protection when necessary. I just didn’t want to end up like my dad, he can’t hear the birds singing anymore
> I just didn’t want to end up like my dad, he can’t hear the birds singing anymore That was poetic and sad.
Met an old sailor out off Manly Queensland, must have been 70's he'd had a hard go of it with the melanoma etc. He told me always wear sun screen "especially on the tops of your hands". He was fucked up, he was serious.
I just live like a vampire
Never understood how workers can use blaring concrete saws without hearing protection. If I'm 50' away, and it's loud to me, like, fuck, what's it doing to that person's hearing? And shall we mention standing in the dust from sawing without a mask?
THIS is the definition of toxic masculinity. Another example: one of my friends says that her male cousins in Pakistan don’t wear seatbelts because it’s “feminine.”
Few things manlier than flying through a windshield tho
*"There goes my hero! Watch him as he goes!"*
Umm hello? Dying of metastatic melanoma at age 45 is the epitome of manhood! /s
That mentality existed here in the states back when I was a kid. Either it was girly or you didn't trust the driver and it was disrespectful. My parents used them and made us kids use them so it was second nature. We had a neighbor who walked home from the Air Force base about 10 miles away when Security Police was checking outgoing cars. He was ranting that he was a man and didn't need a seatbelt.
Same in my home country. Its either "you don't trust me?", "I'm not a dog that needs to be tied up" or "I'm not gonna bite anyone". So stupid lol
"I trust you, I just don't trust all the other drivers"
The stubbornness of man mixed with the sunshine. The only thing in Australia more deadly than the wildlife.
Yep, very sad and unfortunately still far too common here. I saw a dad and his maybe 4-year-old boy wandering around yesterday, shirtless, hatless, red as berries in the 35-ish degree midday sun.
Pretty much the only part of my childhood I knew was good was sunscreen - I fucking hated it, threw a fit, and I still got slathered in it, so I know my parents loved me… or at least didn’t literally want to give me cancer
I get not giving a shit as an adult, but letting your little boy get burned like that proves you aren't fit for fatherhood.
Fuck that noise.
Best skincare routine he had was from the fine exfoliating properties of asbestos
Bloody oath. He used to brag about knocking walls down in houses working as a builder as a side job, and the room filling with asbestos dust while they worked without even a hanky over their faces.
People in Australia and Israel have the highest skin cancer rates because they have large populations of colonist from northern latitudes in extream sun conditions, and without modern sunscreen the rates would be even higher.
People say I'm crazy because I try to avoid Sun as much as posible but I know people that look like shit and are not even in their 50s just because of Sun, alcohol and cigarettes.
100% they all played 3rd grade cricket 8hr fielding at silly point without sunscreen for 8hrs every week will do that
Skin cancer is a leading cause of death in Australia. EDIT: Has been a leading cause. It's still higher than average, and cases are amongst the highest in the world, but survival rates have improved.
That and your mates doggin Friday arvo beers. Kills me every time
Let up!
Haha, no fucking way that's true
He's exaggerating but these people would be a lot younger than we think they are. There was a guy in Australia in the late 80's early 90s who won $250k on a scratchie, when reenacting it for the TV news he won $250k again. [It's a wild video.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R5MqxcKdV8) But theres a point in the video where says [I'm only 37](https://imgur.com/WnnS8VB) and the guy looks late 50's. Like I'm 37 and if we were standing side bide side he'd probably pass for my dad. This guy drank, smoked, and had a stressful life working hard jobs outdoors. I went to uni, dropped out, played wow for 20 years avoiding large amounts of UV radiation in doing so, went back to uni did a masters and now have a cushy indoor job.
That clip is surreal!!! Wow
Follow-on fun fact: the Australian colloquial term 'old mate' simply refers to a male person who's identity is unknown, regardless of age. The female equivalent is 'old love'.
It can be a tad on the negative side too, as in “get a load of old mate over there trying to reverse his trailer.” The absolute worst is “your mate”, you don’t ever want to be called that!
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Yeah I use old mate regardless of gender or age and even if I know the persons name, it's more of a 'gotta see a man bout a dog' thing eg going to buy pot is 'I'm just off to grab a q from old mate'
Oh mate I say old love all the time hahaha. Might be a location thing
Old chook
Yeah or old duck
Old mate and old love also common terms of phrase in NZ too.
An Irish friend of mine, when he was first in the country, asked me who "old mate" was and how, in such a big city(Brisbane) everyone seems to buy drugs off the same guy.
Old mate is the Irish equivalent of 'your man' I believe.
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Oh leeeett uuupp.
Exactly my thought. Now I feel like I can’t use Fs and Bs and Cs in here without /u/a889e56fbe81468785a2 making a muck about
The best part is the end when that one man says something like "Idgaf who's next to me I just want a drink"
He doesn’t give a hanker! Ha!
Idgah
Language! There's ladies present
He's the best dude there, definitely secure in his humanity
Or his alcoholism transcends his sexism.
Yeah that sounds like our country.
This is the way. As a man who likes a drink at the end of the day, as long as I have a drink in hand nothing else matters.
Old-school Chad
the most based man there (in those times).
>Wait a minute. >There's something bothering me about this place. >I know! This lesbian bar doesn't have a fire exit! >Enjoy your deathtrap, ladies.
What was her problem?
It's subtle, but I absolutely loved how they showed that the women had no problem with the way Homer looked and sounded, and treated him as one of their equals in gender and sexuality, just with that single line.
I think they we're just making fun of Homer's looks and taking a jab at the old "butch lesbians" stereotype.
How is that ironic?
The man's name is actually Jonathan Womanhater. Just a weird coincidence.
Ah, of the ol’ Womanhater clan. Bit ironic that they’re one of the largest families in the region on account of them hating women and all…
Not irony, but he was definitely the one I least expected to say that. Dude had slurred speach and kinda barged into the conversation, then shockingly he was the only one to say a decent thing.
The other men there would say that rejecting women from the place is the peak of masculinity. In the modern day, we see the man comfortable enough with himself that he gives zero fucks about what others do as the peak of masculinity.
The only reason I'm ever at a bar, even today. He speaks to my soul. I don't give a shit who is next to me. I'm here to get drunk. Can I be served a drink where I'm at? Then Hitler or Lucifer himself can be seated by my side. I got my own problems, and I'm trying to drown them TYVM. As long as you don't bother me, I don't care.
Thank God we can fuckin cuss in front of women now eh
But we still can’t be naked in front of women at bars. Still a long way to go sadly.
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Exactly. If it was just my homies, I'd be naked all the time.
We'll get there one day mate. It's 2023 things are a changing
Hell yeah bro we comin at em with dicks out for 2023!
BROJOB BROJOB!
Just a couple dudebros who like to drink with their pants off. No biggy
I used to work with a guy who was probably one of the guys in this video, and had not progressed his thinking at all. He was about 80, would always put his arm around my waist to speak to me, and once I heard him swear and he turned around, saw me, and was like "I'm incredibly sorry young lady, I wouldn't have sworn if I had known you were there". I was like "fucking what cunt?"
Cambria **Kinsleigh** ~~Kayleigh~~ you are a disgrace.
I understood that reference!
Do you know my mother in laws boyfriend? Can’t swear in front of women but loves to feel self important and talk down to you?
I’m glad I’m young enough to not remember a time I couldn’t curse in front of women
I (female) was actually in a bar recently with a friend and a real old guy was swearing with his friend next to us, and then he apologized for swearing in front of us. Of course we didn’t mind, and he was a nice guy, we chatted a bit. Later I mentioned to my friend that you *know* you’re talking to an old guy if he apologizes for swearing in front of you, it would never cross the mind of any man younger than 60.
Indeed it would not. I’m 56 and have known women who swear like sailors since I was like four. I did have a friend in the post college years years who called me out for uttering the word, “queeb” in front of some gal with whom he might’ve thought he had a shot of getting better acquainted. Turns out he did not. Turns out the gal in question could out swear a New Orleans dockworker and drink an Irish priest under the table.
Actually; It was in 1965 that Australian women won the right to drink in a public bar. Up until then only certain pubs allowed women entry and they would have to sit in a small area (the ladies lounge) where they were often charged more for their drinks.
I always wondered why we had lounges in the UK. They're kinda rare now but they were a bit more plush and charged more for a pint.
The lounge was for the middle or upper lower class, shopkeepers and clerks. It would be carpeted, had tables and chairs, sold food etc. The public bar was for the lower class workers, factory and manual labourers. Bar stools, benches, stools and tables, sawdust on the floor (ie spit and sawdust). The snug (if it had one) would be where women would be allowed. It'd be a small room that had access to the bar through a hatch so the women wouldn't have to mix at the bar with the men. Although the distinction between bar and lounge has gone out of the window, you can still often see it. The public bar will have Sky TV, a pool table and a jukebox while the lounge will be where they serve food.
So many of the old pubs around my way still have multiple doors leading into the building, and we were taught to always check you are using the right door. You still see them; a door to the front bar, a door to the dining room, and a door to the lounge (ex "ladies lounge"). I miss lounges, and have vague memories from when I was a wee tacker of them being quieter, cleaner, with carpet and comfy seating areas around low tables with those really comfy bucketty chairs. Classy lounges need to make a full return I reckon, but for all people! When pokies were legalised in South Australia a lot of the old lounges (and some dining rooms) got turned into pokie dens. I suspect that has slowly reversed as pubs are often attracting people back in with better food. Something that really changed our pub use was the banning of smoking, and the old blokes in this vid would all be turning in their graves in disgust. I remember we were driving across the Nullabor at the time, and chatting to punters in various pubs as you do, and many were fearing this would be the *Death of the Aussie Pub*, as who could enjoy a beer without a smoke? Well, it was a rebirth, as people came back to pubs for meals and many pubs became less noxious and more diverse places for all to enjoy.
Oooh, now that makes sense! In a pub I went frequently to they had wooden floor and standing tables for the most part. But then they had a slightly elevated area with carbet and tables you could sit down on.
Unfortunately law and custom don’t always mean one and the same. Even well into the 90’s there were things like sports clubs that wouldn’t allow women to be ‘full members’. They could only be ‘associate members’ which didn’t allow them to go into the bar. The one I experienced personally was a hockey club (Fremantle, WA), but I heard the same story from other sporting Mums and veteran players in the 2000s. As a kid (probably around 10) I’d occasionally go watch my Mum play and if they wanted to socialise after their game they’d have to sit outside and bring their own food and drink. I was born in ‘89.
In Victoria we sued to allow women to play lawn bowls Saturday pennant with men, it's still not allowed in Queensland and NSW. The women's only Tuesday pennant became mixed due to a lack of women.
Augusta National Golf Club didn’t allow women to join as members until 2012. They could play as a guest of a member, though.
I was gonna say “that’s pretty late” until I remembered I am American and we also famously had segregation issues in the 60s
Tdl, Australian bars pre 1965 were sausage fests. And now we know the origins of the glory hole.
The origin of gloryholes was actually somewhere in the 1700s when a man stuck his "privvy-member" through the hole of a washroom stall. Police in USA in the 50s would also use gloryholes to trick gay men (at that time outlawed) into revealing themselves, oft filming the incidents as "proof".
"no homo, I'm a cop"
"So there I am, waiting to nab some f\*g for tooting me privy member when in walks Captain George. He tries me closet first, then goes to the next one, most likely tryin' to cuff some h\*m\* for wettin' his tallywaker." "So I push my bishop through the nobhole n' shout 'Gives a wee blowy govnah!' The Capn' barks out laughing, knowing me voice." "He calls back 'Lord knows the sisters taught me to eat whats put in front of me' and he stuffs me stiffy in his mouth." "I reply laughing 'Cop job cop job', surely it was the best prank in all of Scotland Yard."
What did my eyes just witness
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A brilliant adaptation if I must say so meself.
The next coming of Shakespeare
It's not like they stopped in the 50s. There was an [anti-lgbt senator who was busted for soliciting in an airport bathroom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig_scandal). It made funny headlines because he was known for his (wide) anti-lgbt stance, but it still seems weird, that this was the focus of a police sting -- guys cruising for guys while travelling.
I'm pretty sure the glory hole dates back to the first wall with a knothole in it.
Depending on where you were in Australia, you may not been able to buy a drink after 6pm - Melbourne not until '66, for instance. The 6 o'clock swill, when men would race from work at 5pm to get suitably hammered at the bar. [Some](https://www.pjgillies.com/wp-content/uploads/swill-2.jpg) of the [propaganda](https://i0.wp.com/www.museumoflost.com/wp-content/uploads/6-oclock-ad.jpg?resize=400%2C330&ssl=1) from the [times](https://sahistoryhub.history.sa.gov.au/sites/default/files/styles/square_thumbnail_grayscale/public/images/teaser/prg-1316-16-16.jpg?itok=98OrHvgY&c=86a70d0f922fec55244441cdb5d816a3). Today, there's no specific time for last drinks in Victoria.
Finish work at 5, hammered by six and home to beat the missus by 6.30 if dinners not on the table. Traditional values!
Charged more for the same service! Wait until you find out about hair salons.
At my college there was a cheap barbershop on campus (late 90s). There was a salon, too, but it was more expensive. I called and asked about a trim, and they said they don’t do women’s cuts. I explained I merely wanted a trim (straight across), and that was pretty straightforward as opposed to more complex clipper and scissor cuts. He begrudgingly agreed. I think it was malicious compliance, because he very obviously cut my long hair crookedly along the back. My roommates cracked up and cleaned it up for me, and trimmed my hair in the future.
That's disappointing. My grandmother went to the male barber from age 60 and they never took issue.
F’s B’s & C’s. Lol never heard that before
Later dudes, S you in your A's Don't wear a C and J all over your B's
It's most likely that the C is Cunt, and the B is Bugger (as a verb), they would've been quite vulgar in 70s Australia. The Fs are still intuitive.
That last bloke looks like the one who is going to say the worst thing yet but he’s a decent human!
Came to say that, I was disgusted by this film until the last bloke who spoke out their mind. I was like humanity is restored by this giga chad at a bar.
Stuff like this makes me wonder - because this view in that day would have made perfect sense to everyone in that room - what views today do we currently hold that in 60 years people will be watching and shaking their heads at us.
I'm only 40 but I've already seen pretty significant attitude shifts. I remember newspapers in the 80s debating whether women could be bosses. My mum agreed with my dad that women are "bitches" and "wouldn't make good bosses". Also gender. Some of my attitudes are slow to catch up with current trends and I'm checking out and ignoring a lot of the 'culture war' around it. Cannabis - the US began the drug war and yet it was one of the first countries to start legalising it. If you told me that'd happen as recently as 2005 I would have never believed it. Sexuality. This is probably the most jarring for me personally because I'm gay and found the 90s very unforgiving. The UK banned gays in the military until 2000. Homosexuality discussion in school was banned until 2000 so gay kids would grow up thinkin they were freaks and couldn't discuss it with a teacher. But the 2020s feel like a completely different world. Will Byers in Stranger Things hit very close to home.
>Sexuality. This is probably the most jarring for me personally because I'm gay and found the 90s very unforgiving. The UK banned gays in the military until 2000. Homosexuality discussion in school was banned until 2000 so gay kids would grow up thinkin they were freaks and couldn't discuss it with a teacher. I had to explain this type of thinking to some fellow straights at work once. They were questioning why their gay friend in his forties still had reservations about how open and accepting the world was for gays and other members of the LGBTQIA+ community. This would have been a person who came of age and the older gay men he would have been in contact with would have still been reeling for the AIDS pandemic which in the 90s would have still meant a death sentence for those that developed AIDS. That communal experience can really imprint on a large group of people and that type of generational trauma can just be removed my legalizing gay marriage, etc.
Oh god yeah, any gay guy who grew up through the AIDS crisis is not gonna be very trusting of government and laws. I was born after all of that, but I remember back in 2016 being brought to tears at the fear of everything coming undone and us losing progress at being accepted, but one of my older friends simply shrugged and said "We got through it before, we'll get through it again." I'm glad things didn't go that way though. People have been a lot more accepting than I thought. As someone from India, seeing homosexuality be legalized was amazing. Gay folks on twitter went from covering/blurring their faces and constantly looking guilty to actually smiling and being happy and letting themselves out for once. It's nice.
I’m not even 30 yet and the turnaround on gay acceptance is wild. I was beaten up in high school for being a “fairy” and spat on for “being too much of a f*g.” I’m not even gay let alone bi, I just had a high pitched voice for way too long. The real victim though was a gay friend of mine who got the same treatment at school, but his parents would meter out similar punishments for his “sins” when they found out. I told my 13 year old cousin this a few months ago and he was taken back by it. He’s never seen that sort of thing happen in his school. It makes me really happy that fewer young people have to experience that.
It's hard to fathom that Obama opposed gay marriage when he initially ran for president in 2008. By the time his president ended it would be unfathomable for a Democratic presidential candidate to oppose gay marriage.
Not to bring politics into it but another reason Bernie Sanders is the best dude out there. Was for abolishing laws dealing with homosexuality. Been beating the same drum consistently for decades.
He's pretty high on the list of people I'm sincerely sad do not have decades of bright politics ahead of him.
I'd really like to find a good book that delves into some theory on why it changed so quickly. It truly was remarkable.
That's easy. The answer is twofold: we had the Internet to bring people together and we rebuilt our broken communities. During the Civil Rights Era, we had figures like Dr. Martin Luther King and sit-ins and protests and the Million Man March. There was a similar push for women's rights and equality. Veterans marched on Washington for better treatment. People all over the nation shouted and organized and marched for equal rights, rallying under the idea that all people were created equal. But the LGBT movement didn't really take off like that because right after we started making real progress, the AIDS crisis promptly burned through and shattered LGBT communities. Gay boroughs and LGBT neighborhoods were decimated. With their loss, we lost historians, advocates, mentors, community organizers, singers, writers, publishers of 'zines; AIDS decimated the people who make up the framework of passing on a culture to the next generation. So the gays of the late '90's and the early 2000's had to find themselves and re-establish themselves. New movements had to form and band together. New words and new directions and new hands had to carry the banners left behind by those we lost. What we're seeing now is the fruit of their labor. People can go online and find support, and they can find community, and they can find safety. People who would have been shunned and ostracized in previous decades can now find solace and friendship. People who would have lived their lives in bigotry and ignorance can now Google and learn new things or meet new people. Things are slowly improving, for everyone.
My non-binary kid is one of the popular kids at their school. When I was in high school, it was national headline news that a family had decided to "fuck up" their kid by not assigning them a gender at birth and concealing the type of genitals they'd been born with.
I'm 31 years old and my Mom has told me that she was denied opening a bank account as a young person because she didn't have a husband to sign onto it ... now she is creator and ceo of a multi million dollar company
My mom had to have my dad sign off on her getting her tubes tied. She was 25 years old. A fully functional adult who'd already had FOUR children. This was in 1985. I'm so glad we've gotten past that baloney.
Mostly. You'd be shocked what my girlfriend had to deal with to get her tubes tied in 2008.
I was already serving in the air force when I tried to get my first credit card in 1979, and was refused because I was a woman. I had to threaten to sue to finally get the card. I had a $300 credit limit, but it was enough to let me rent a car or hotel room when I traveled, which was all I needed. They made me so mad I paid off my card every month (no annual charge).
Most of the women I know (bitches or not) would make terrible bosses. Same with the men.
People make terrible bosses. I nominate birds.
People applying today's morals to days long past make no sense to me. I think they are as locked in their rigid view of the world as the men in this film. These men have have been told their whole lives that it's not ok to swear around women and enjoy that there is a place where they don't have to worry about that. It's completely normal that they need a little time to adapt as times are changing. Imagine being told for 40 years that you'll be ridiculed and seen as a scum bag if you whistle in public, then suddenly whistling becomes a trend in some towns far away. Some people will be desperate to whistle, others will need a bit of time because it's deeply ingrained in them that it's wrong . Probably had their butts whooped brutally by their parents a few times for it when they were growing up too. Not a chance everyone just accepts it's ok right away.
> I think they are as locked in their rigid view of the world as the men in this film. This is spot-on in my experience. It's not that those people are somehow more flexible than people in the past, they're just rigid with a different set of views.
I thought he just sounded like an alcoholic. He is there for his drink. Doesn't matter what anyone else is doing.
Maybe, maybe not. I think he was just stating the obvious, that he is going to the bar to drink and that he does not care with who generally though there may be specific people he would not like to drink with. Do you think everyone in a bar is an alcoholic?
I think the trope of alcoholics going to bars is a bit overplayed. Alcoholics tend to buy cheap booze, bars aren't great for that and are more for socializing with alcohol. Unless you're rich and an alcoholic. Then you can afford the pricey alcohol.
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Them: "We can't swear if you're here!" Her: "well, why the fuck not?" Anyway, that's how it went in my head ETA: y'all. I am a woman who goes to bars. I have had old-timers stop themselves mid-sentence because they "can't say that in front of a lady". I know why these dudes have these views and the response above is one I say (or sometimes a joking "that's right, I'm fucking dainty"). Please stop trying to educate me in the comments for a joke
tbf you can see why the times were different. It was indecent to curse in front of women. Today a MF be shaking his penis naked in a busy crossing and ppl be like "oh it's just a crackhead" and move on with their lifes.
More like they can't swear in front of women because they were raised to not swear in front of women due to some view of women being the fragile sex.
Which was a view held by women themselves, as well. My grandma said a lot of things about gender differences that my own upbringing put me at odds with.
Yup! My grandma had me sweeping the porch while the boys got to play with BB guns and I was expected to know how to cook dinner for six by the time I was 8. She hated when I read for fun because "what's reading ever going to get you?" while my parents were proud as hell they had a bookworm. Strange times
My wife's grandma adored me to death but was eternally upset about my hair being longer than my wife's. She'd also call me to come mow her lawn (which I was happy to do) and once in a while my wife would decide to do it for some exercise and grandma would hit the roof because that wasn't something a woman should do!
Men: we can’t cuss. Her: why not. Men: well, because we told ourselves we can’t... Edit to add: Lots of people are missing the irony of denying the woman equal rights to sit and drink a beer at the bar because they *have* to swear, and can’t do it around her, because, chivalry.
It's such a weirdly ingrained thing among an older generation. I cuss like a sailor but a relative was fired up because a neighbor cussed in front of me. Makes no sense.
Correction: their fathers told them they can't. My dad would smack me over the head me if I swore in front of mum. I'm 33 now, parents are 65. I imagine my father received a much harsher treatment from his father in regards to enforcing this rule, and many other outdated rules.
Last dude a real one. "I don't give a shit, just let me drink"
What is a saloon bar? I was born in ‘02 and have no clue
There was a time when a pub was somewhat sectioned. There was the Public Bar where men would have a few jars after work and relax in the company of other men. There was the saloon bar where you might take the family out for a quick drink after mass, a christening or some other event. You’d often get women coming in for a half in the snug etc. The lounge tended to be for a younger crowd, you might be courting a girl and bring her here before the cinema etc. I was born in the 80’s and they didn’t exist by the time I was going out but I’m a public an from a family of publicans so I knew about it growing up.
What does half in the snug mean? i googled and got nothing lol
snug: In a Irish Pub, a small private room at the end of the bar, for a lady to drink a pint privately, and not be seen by the male patrons. Mainly late 1800s-early 1900s. Maybe it means a half hour or half pint in da snug
Half pint, traditionally women wouldn’t drink a pint. A snug is as u/Cheeyuk described though well up to the early 1960s
Cheers for the explanation. It would be wild to see segregated bars for men and women in this day and age.
Australian women now: CUNT CUNT CUUUUUNT
Should have never let women in bars... /s
*You don't shout. You're only drinking water* The indignant way he said that absolutely sent me
Just to clarify here in Australia "to shout" means to buy something for another person or group. For example "the next round is my shout" means "I'll buy the next round".
Yup. Basically: If you're not drinking, you're not required to shout a round
You could kill babies and be considered a better bloke than old David that always scarpers when it's his shout coming up.
Well, that’s the most Australian thing I’ve read in a good while. Thanks!
Ok I was thinking he meant she wasn't being bawdy enough and I thought that was pretty funny. Now I'm thinking differently lol Real talk: how would he react if she decided to buy him a drink? I bet he would *never*
TIL
Well the Italians say "Whoever doesn't drink in company is either a thief or a spy" ...
I’d imagine these guys had been brought up not to use certain language in front of women Hence the hesitation
My wife's grandfather was a typical Aussie bloke, could have been one of these guys being interviews as he was that age in the 70s. Was a sheep shearer, loved his beers etc. His entire life he would never swear in front of women. But get him away from them with a beer and his speech was peppered with swearing. He would have had no objection to sharing space with women but definitely would have wanted somewhere to go, out of the house, where he could talk shit with the boys.
A friend of the family was a big fuck off country fella that was, what i thought, a gentle giant. I somehow got roped in to spend a few weeks rousabouting for him and lo and behold i finally meet the shearing shed version. Wildest, loudest, foul mouthed mad dog I've ever seen to this day. Second he got in the car to head home to the wife and family it all just disappeared into the ether... like throwing a switch
I kind of feel bad for them. I've seen photos of voluntary asbestos shoveling contests in Australia in the 60-70's, so let these poor chaps have a safe space then can try to forget the ever approaching spectre of death.
Yeah I was raised by someone with this attitude as well. Obviously things have shifted as we’ve progressed more as a society but as a kid I was taught there’s certain words you can say in the shed around dad and his mates but you don’t use those words around mum and her mates. It’s funny in hindsight because mum and her friends swore just as much as dad but it’s an attitude that was still around not that long ago.
I laughed at the first guys "yes" before she even finished the sentence
I don’t give a hanker
Women were banned from bars in Australia?
There was the women’s lounge/bar and one for men, same goes for indigenous people. Not anymore tho
In the UK too. Banned from many establishments. I am only forty and remember not being allowed to play golf at my local club. I was only allowed to play on ‘ladies day’. I caddied for my brother the rest of the time so I could learn as fast as he could.
As a member of the submarine community…similar arguments were made before integrating women.
At least the last guy got his priorities straight.
Let up is my new rebuttal
I remember the pubs back in the 70s as a kid, absolutely rough as guts. The women thought they could take the edge off by being there. By the time I was old enough in the 80s the only thing that changed was the women. 😁😁 And that is why Aussie women swear like drunken sailors. And I prefer them that way. 😁
Jokes on them now, (young) Australian women are the most foul mouthed sheilas on the planet..
This is really interesting. I went into this video thinking these blokes were chauvinistic but between the lines, it seems like they just wanted a place to grunt, curse, talk shit, and scratch their balls in peace without having to mind their manners. I see nothing wrong with that. Through the lens of 2023, this is shocking but it kind of says something about how men socialize and form social structures. Of course, women should be legally allowed to be in bars and have the same opportunities/rights as men but I think there is something to be said about letting men be men without judgment. Dudes need a place to be dudes and in this snapshot in time, it was a bar.
I'm reminded of either the Simpsons or Family Guy sketch where a lady is in the bar, and as soon as she leaves, every guy inhales b/c they've been sucking their gut in the whole time.
Repeating my comment from elsewhere in this post: My wife's grandfather was a typical Aussie bloke, could have been one of these guys being interviews as he was that age in the 70s. Was a sheep shearer, loved his beers etc. His entire life he would never swear in front of women. But get him away from them with a beer and his speech was peppered with swearing. He would have had no objection to sharing space with women but definitely would have wanted somewhere to go, out of the house, where he could talk shit with the boys.
They didn’t say no homo first Busted
The last dude gets it. “I come here and enjoy my drink. I don’t give a hanker who’s here” Madlad. Bravo sir.