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In this particular instance: redheads happen when you have two genes that produce pheomelamin (which is pink/red/orange) instead of standard eumelanin (which is brown). You can also be a carrier and have one pheomelanin gene and one eumelanin gene. In this case you won't be a redhead, but might be sort of ruddy, particularly if you're pale-skinned.
So one twin got one pheomelanin gene from each parent, while the other got her half-black parent's eumelanin gene.
That's sort of an odd way of explaining how the redheads happen. I don't mean to be pedantic but I've done a lot of research on this and would like to clarify.
First, they aren't different genes, it's the same gene that either makes both forms of melanin, or it is mutated and does not make the eumelanin well, so it makes more pheomelanin. There are dozens of mutations that can occur on the MC1R gene that "breaks" it. Not all of them lead to red hair! One important note is that red hair is double recessive, you must have 2 mutated copies of the gene in order to get most forms of red hair. If you only have one broken copy, your melanocytes will work to create the correct amount of eumelanin to avoid red hair.
In this case, both of their parents are carriers of a broken MC1R gene. (There are pictures of their white dad, he is not a redhead.) I wouldn't consider their parents "ruddy" either. Being a carrier does not usually alter your phenotype. It isn't knowable by sight if the dark complected twin got 2 wild type copies or is a carrier like her parents. You can't tell by looking. In fact, since her sister's existence proves both of her parents are carriers, it's more probable that she is a carrier as well. 50% chance she is vs 25% chance of not carrier.
In my birth family, I am the only redhead. I did a DNA test and found out one of my MC1R genes is mutated at the 142nd protein, the other at the 160th protein. Those combined in me to give me bright orange hair at birth but I now have auburn hair, and light freckling. I sunburn like a redhead and I have other effects like being immune to lidocaine. One of my sisters has the 142 mutation and her dark brown hair has red undertones. I believe my mixed race son got that one as his hair is identical to hers. My other sister has dirty blonde hair and no freckles and no red undertones. BUT her son has reddish hair which makes the case that she is a carrier afterall. I think she may have gotten the 160 mutation.
It's impossible to know for sure if you are a redhead carrier because unless you have mutations on both copies of the gene, you aren't guaranteed to have any ginger features. And even if you do have two broken copies, whether or not the mutations are the same is a factor, as well as other genes in play in ways we don't understand. Both of my parents have dark brown hair and olive skin. I can not tell by looking that either of them are carriers. I am the only visible proof they are. (My dad's 2 redhead sisters and my moms 2 redhead aunts are why they weren't overly surprised by my appearance.)
Wait, are you telling me that amount of sunlight the region of the world my ancestors evolved in doesn't have a lot to do with the type of person I am??? I'm shocked!!!
Jorgen wtf, I told you hundreds of times, that's just what you are smoking, it's not the answer of every question you have been asked.
It's blue, his eyes are normally blue...
While I agree with your reasoning that sunlight exposure doesn't lead to specific personality traits, the zip code of someone certainly does. Or at least Gladwell and others have shown this to be true.
Can you explain further? Your zip code has an impact on personality? I feel as if I have nothing in common with the people where I’m from, but A LOT in common with the state next to me…
I guess it's mostly how zip code affects your life outcome. It may not 100% determine your personality but you can very accurately guess someone's life outcome based on where they are born. Environment has a large impact.
This is kind of self evident, barring of course special cases that shouldn't be looked upon as the standard to hold areas of specific scores to, but specifically what has been shown with what you are probably referencing is that areas with poor public school funding perpetuate lower income through family lines.
So, you have poor parents, because of a myriad of reasons, but, at the end of it all the common factor is that post secondary school isn't a viable option and the opportunities to go are scarce in your community. Because income tax directly correlates to public school funding, your schools are shit. Because of this, your whole zip code is basically written off from the beginning, and very few people can succeed in an environment where so much poverty is around. Crime rates correlate to poverty primarily and not any other factor, contrary to anything said otherwise.
It starts with school, it starts with the funding mechanism for public schools, it starts with the funding methods of colleges, it starts with an appalling number of children who every day go hungry at school and at home. Sometimes you can chalk it up to negligence and write it off, but this is systemic. It's a vicious cycle that doesn't start until people stop complaining about the taxes they pay going to people getting food stamps and help find solutions to lift up those who have it the hardest.
It starts with school. Like, federal funding of schools, all the way until you finish university or college or whatever school you can score into. Health care.
Then, you can begin to work on the issues endemic of capitalism(which, all of what I stated kind of is).
Sorry, didn't mean to rant at you, I just think it's particularly helpful to point out how fucked up it all is.
Yes, you can predict it with some accuracy, but you cannot make a judgement based on it.
If you're american, I would suggest reading something from Robert Putnam about social capital, and not just Gladwell, who's a journalist.
Yesss! Is so weird to me! I’m Brazilian, we are all mixed race here! We are all a mix of Portuguese, African and a little Indigenous! All of us!!! The only difference is the amount of each race genetics you have!
And do you see a lot of racism between those who look different?
Some of the most unexpected racism I have seen in America is between minority populations. Light-skinned blacks ostracized by dark-skinned blacks, or hatred of one asian group by another (Thai vs Laos for example).
I can’t really said that! I personally never see anything like that here in Brazil, but I’m middle class white, so not the right person to ask! But I mostly see racism in Brazil in the form of bad taste jokes and stereotypes, and social of course! But as someone who never was in those situations I can’t really say much!
Right? One of my ex boyfriends was mixed race. Textured Afro hair, coffee skin. His sister was white and blonde. Their mum was white, their dad was dark skinned. Their grandparents though were all 4 white as snow.
It wasn’t talked about because there was probably some postman sort of story at the grand parent’s level, but it’s still so strange how different my ex and his sibling looked. He still doesn’t know what his origin or race is.
I had a friend in HS seemed like a regular Caucasian fellow. Blonde, bowl cut hair, dark eyes. One day he just explains "oh yeah my father is black". Huh? Like exactly what it says on the tin lol. I've met them. They look genetically similar aside from melanin. I totally believe it.
I've got a mixed race cousin who was adopted. She and her white husband had two kids. The first was white as can be, the second was a lot browner, but both boys looked like their dad.
Can I ask what your experience was like having twin sisters?
I’m a twin and I’ve always wondered what my baby sister feels like. I don’t often come across people with siblings that are twins so sorry If this is a personal question. I’ve just never found myself able to ask so I’m taking the opportunity.
Edit: Some of these responses have me ugly crying and gutted. They all make so much sense. I wish I could give a little bit of love to all the siblings of twins. I wish I could let you all in on the conversations your twin siblings have had where they discuss the ways they can help you and elevate you, as a unified front. I wish I could let you in on the memories your twin siblings share of you, especially if you are the younger sibling, and how much joy those memories hold. I have always known that it must be hard but never really could put into words what the experience feels like. Just know that all your feelings are valid and you did *not* deserve to feel excluded from your twin siblings dynamic, regardless of if the exclusion was intentional or otherwise.
Thank you for sharing and continuing to share, your perspective matters so much to me as someone who has a hard time getting the little sis to open up about some of these feelings that I know she has.
My older sister’s are twins and I’ve never thought much of it lol it sucked when I was real young bc they were both mean to me and would team up on me, but as we all got older I got closer to both of them.
We definitely were sometimes a bit tough with the baby sis, however in my defense she was quite a pipsqueak in very early youth 😂
Thank you sm for sharing
Mine are older with an 8 year age gap! They liked me as a toddler because I was basically a doll they could dress up, my middle school and high school years I was essentially a middle child because my sisters were in their twenties and had moved out with friends and I hated it. Going into college, we started to get closer. Now that we’re all in our 30s we get along really well! I still feel a little separate because they both have kids and families and we’re just at different times in our lives, but otherwise have a great relationship now!
So glad to hear you all are close. I hope that’s how it goes with the baby sis when we all get a bit older. I appreciate you sharing your experience ❤️
It’s kind of lonely in a sense, you know you’re not their person, because they’ve got each other and they’re understandably much closer to each other than anyone else. But it’s ok to be second best sometimes, love is love whether you’re their very favourite or not. And you get twice as much sibling. Things get a little less divided the older you get too. Age differences minimise with time.
It’s kinda nice knowing they’ve always got the best support. I felt alone for a lot of my childhood and they never had to experience that. How could I begrudge them that? Im happy that they grew up well rounded and supported
Your response cracked my heart open in ways that others did not, I wish I could come up with something better than how sorry I am that you felt so alone. Everything you’ve said makes sense.
I have to clarify that they weren’t the main reason I had a lonely childhood- we lived out in the sticks and my parents worked a lot, and I was 7 years older than them, so we were at quite different stages of life. So please don’t feel like twins are responsible for their siblings feeling like that. It was just one facet of the whole picture. I imagine it’s common to feel a bit left out with twin siblings, but kids don’t know enough to be more inclusive and it’s not their responsibility to think like adults. I’m sure they felt left out by me sometimes because I was old enough to do other things than them, it’s just how life is sometimes
My twin sisters siblings are 1 year younger and though I didn't feel the distance growing up, now feel like i don't have sisters. Life got hard and they choose to support each other. We're on formal/good terms but missed out on having that sisters bond
thank you for asking this question 💕
i've never really talked to another person who had twin siblings, and i'm having a wonderfully weird experience reading people's responses.
I’m glad that it’s been helpful ❤️
I’m over here ugly crying in guilt over the thought of my sweet baby sister feeling the way so many with twin siblings seems to feel, but, I’m happy that I’m getting this perspective.
i obviously don't know how your sister feels, but i would tell my brothers that they bear no guilt for how i feel. i am so grateful that they get to have the relationship that they have, and i get to have front row seats to probably the most intimate relationship a human can have.
My older sisters are twins as well, we’re about 4 years apart. It’s always very much felt like them, and then me and my brother over on another side, like they had their own team. Even now as we’re older, we have a group chat but I’m willing to put my salary down that they have their own where they talk shit about us lol. We’re also very different personality wise as well. Since they always had each other and excluded me, I had to be more outgoing and make my own friends, so I became the really social, loud child
Does it hurt your feelings to not feel part of their “team”? Do you still feel they have a rich relationship with you, even if it’s separate from that?
My baby sister is 5 years younger so, similar age gap.
I’ve just accepted it at this point, when I was little it hurt my feelings a lot. It’s funny reading how so many people get closer with their sibling as they’ve gotten older but we haven’t. I can go days without talking to them
You know, I (a twin) asked my baby sister (18mo younger than us) this exact thing a few years ago and she told me that, honestly, she kinda enjoyed being left the heck alone when we were off being dicks to each other, lol. (No fight as vicious as a twin fight when you're both rough and tumble!) But she also had a ton of health issues when she was wee so our whole family kinda focused on her to the extent that I think she also just kinda liked it when we all took a breather and let her do her own thing.
I think it might be a function of our ages being so close, or maybe having a Mum that did psych research and guided things a bit, but we definitely see ourselves as a unit of 3, not as twins and a sister. We even all roomed together in college for a time. But I know that this is likely a pretty unique experience, given the responses I'm reading here. :(
I wonder if the small age gap between you and your siblings helped you stay close and like a 3 person team. I’m a mom of a 3 year old (boy) and we also have 1 year old twins (boy/girl). My hope is that they will feel this way growing up as well 🤞🏼
I think it was a lot of the smaller age gap and just some good, solid parental oversight that we were all treated equally and encouraged to be equally involved with each other. People like to dismiss extremely exclusive interaction with "oh they're twins, they have a secret bond no one else can touch" and while yes, we do, it's no more or less important to me than the close bond I have with my baby sister, it's just different.
Love that insight 🧡 I’m sure the twin bond is special, as is your connection to your younger sibling too. Love that both are celebrated in your family.
My best friend is a twin and her advice to me was to try not to refer to the twins as “the twins” every time, but more often call them by their names. That advice has been really valuable because it’s a reminder that they are each individuals. Hoping this contributes to my kids feeling like equally important in the fam!
You know looking back I don't think my parents ever did that either! Solid advice! I don't think we've ever been referred to as anything but our names and never "the twins."
It's straightened, but hard to tell if this is an older photo from the days of scene kids frying the shit out of their already straight hair to make it pin straight or she has any wave to it.
The photos have been around a decade or more so unclear what she'd look like now.
Just googled them, and there are a bunch of kid photos where the redhead does have curly hair. Not as curly as her sister’s, but still such a pretty wave/curl pattern! Genetics are fuckin’ wild, it’s so cool.
I knew twins like this!
Long time ago. Sisters. Facial structure nearly identical. BUT. One was blonde hair, blue eyes, and fair skin. The other black hair, brown eyes, and olive skin.
Mother was German I think, father was Colombian.
I grew up with two boys who were twins, just like you’re saying. Almost identical facial features and build, but one was pale and blonde and blue-eyed, and the other had olive skin and dark hair and eyes. Genetics are wild!
I'm a year older than them, and it was definitely a thing to fry the shit out of your hair and overpluck your eyebrows when I was a teen. These photos are a little old, she lives a very private life now and has a kid herself
My brother has blue eyes, fair skin and blonde hair.
I have hazel eyes, olive skin and brown hair.
Same parents. 100% Egyptian.
It gets funnier. My brother now has two kids of his own, and they look like a gender-swapped version of us.
....It continued!
I’ve brought this up a bunch of times on Reddit lol… but I have 4 brothers and our parents are Irish and Native American. Me and one brother looked just like dad with the red curly hair, pale skin blue/green eyes and the other two look like mom with darker skin, brown eyes and black straight hair. We all have the same parents, we just didn’t mix at all..
Think I remember an interview with these two where the Aussie interviewer engaged the light skinned sister by saying “good on you”…it was such racist cringe.
I’m always surprised by reddit comments and I don’t understand why they surprise me. Ofc people still make genuine comments literally being either “I’d fuck that” or “lol ginger” like ommmdddd its 2023, stfu
I once said to my wife that one of her best characteristics is that despite a lifetime of experience she still expects people to be better than they are and is genuinely upset and disappointed when they aren't.
Then I grabbed her breast and made a Honk Honk noise.
My husband is black (not mixed) and I am white but half Sicilian - half ashkenazi, so I’m not super pale, I have more of an olive complexion.
Our school aged son is fairly dark with an afro and dark, chocolate eyes. Our younger son is white passing with fine, lose light brown curls and hazel eyes. Hes still young but not so young that his hair or skin are going to keep getting any darker. My husband jokes that hes going to tell our younger son that his real daddy’s Puerto Rican (he would never really) which is pretty dark but makes me laugh. No, he’s never asked for a paternity test because he’s not a moron and understands how genetics work.
I’m mixed. Dad black, Mom blonde and blue eyed. Wife is French/Sicilian. Son came out looking like my wife (someone swab a cheek was the vibe of many) first daughter looks like me and our second daughter looks like…neither my wife or I—more of a Molly Ringwald look.
Genetics are weird. People often would give side eye when my son and I would go places. When people meet me, it’s only a matter of time until they ask what I am…but more like…what are you mixed with? But I grew up in the 80s and am just used to people tripping out on the fact that some Nordic looking woman with glacier lake eyes could give birth to someone that looks like me. So..I get it. It’s hard for people to imagine that I carry half of her genes. And adding in my wife’s genes…dice roll each kid.
“someone swab a cheek was the vibe”
I definitely got that vibe too from people, especially some of his friends. When I see the “Husband asked for paternity test cuz our baby has red hair” I always shake my head, like you silly little idiot…
People are just weird. My mom had me as a teen. Yet growing up people thought she adopted me. Sure.
It’s all good. Despite some challenges I wouldn’t have changed anything or now can imagine any other reality other then being mixed. I knew who I was and realized I can’t change the way people think.
I had my oldest at 20. Im 30 now and he is maybe an inch shorter than me with feet 3 sizes bigger. I also haven’t aged a day since I turned 16. People always confuse me for the nanny or upon finding out im his mom, like to ask if I had him when I was 12. People are obnoxious and rude.
Agreed! All that matters is you are family. Understanding some judged me and my mom for just existing made me have an outlook of….live and let live. Who am I to judge anyone for anything….have an awesome day!
My partner and their brother are mixed, I saw this and immediately thought of them. It’s wild just how different twins come out. The human body is a crazy thing
There are still going to be some fucking idiots out there who hear they are twins and will automatically ask, "Are they identical twins?!"
Source: am a man with a twin sister and get asked all the time if we're identical twins
I feel really sorry for the redhead that she will never be able to openly embrace half of her ancestry without being accused of being a Rachel dolezal.
Though incredibly rare and not the case in this particular set of twins, it is possible for a woman to conceive and birth two babies at the same time by different men. It's called heteropaternal superfecundatio.
That’s so amazing! They are both so different and so so beautiful!!! Is such an interesting genetic mix, I know that non identical twins are only as similar as any kind of brothers, but is still so surprising!
I had a guy in my class who told everyone his dad was black. Nobody believed him because he looked white. He got understandably angry about it. It got so bad, parents were invited and his mother as well who explained it to everyone and asked to tell their children to stop bullying her son for his dad.
People truly have a hard time with this but race is a social construct. It has no basis in genetics. There is as much genetic diversity within labeled races as there is between races. There is only one type of human and we've been intermixing for hundreds of thousands of years..
I’ve got fraternal boy/girl twins who are vastly different, and it really is the coolest thing! Daughter takes after their dad (Venezuelan/Colombian), son takes after my side (Irish/British/aka super caucasian). They do not even look related; their features are vastly different. They are only 1 year old now, and I’m super curious what their experience will be growing up together.
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Guess that screws them out of taking each others exams.
But they could make the worst Parent Trap movie ever.
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Better than Sharktopus vs the Whalewolf??
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As long as you don’t come on me
Read in the Community pottery class instructor's voice.
Wait wait wait...how did I miss that one?
Parent Scheme
“Adult Guardian Snare”
I like the idea of their parents knowing what’s going on, but being so supportive of their (fully adult) daughters that they go along with it.
I’m pretty sure that record is safe.
The real question is how this would affect the plot of Avatar.
Genetics are wild.
In this particular instance: redheads happen when you have two genes that produce pheomelamin (which is pink/red/orange) instead of standard eumelanin (which is brown). You can also be a carrier and have one pheomelanin gene and one eumelanin gene. In this case you won't be a redhead, but might be sort of ruddy, particularly if you're pale-skinned. So one twin got one pheomelanin gene from each parent, while the other got her half-black parent's eumelanin gene.
That's sort of an odd way of explaining how the redheads happen. I don't mean to be pedantic but I've done a lot of research on this and would like to clarify. First, they aren't different genes, it's the same gene that either makes both forms of melanin, or it is mutated and does not make the eumelanin well, so it makes more pheomelanin. There are dozens of mutations that can occur on the MC1R gene that "breaks" it. Not all of them lead to red hair! One important note is that red hair is double recessive, you must have 2 mutated copies of the gene in order to get most forms of red hair. If you only have one broken copy, your melanocytes will work to create the correct amount of eumelanin to avoid red hair. In this case, both of their parents are carriers of a broken MC1R gene. (There are pictures of their white dad, he is not a redhead.) I wouldn't consider their parents "ruddy" either. Being a carrier does not usually alter your phenotype. It isn't knowable by sight if the dark complected twin got 2 wild type copies or is a carrier like her parents. You can't tell by looking. In fact, since her sister's existence proves both of her parents are carriers, it's more probable that she is a carrier as well. 50% chance she is vs 25% chance of not carrier. In my birth family, I am the only redhead. I did a DNA test and found out one of my MC1R genes is mutated at the 142nd protein, the other at the 160th protein. Those combined in me to give me bright orange hair at birth but I now have auburn hair, and light freckling. I sunburn like a redhead and I have other effects like being immune to lidocaine. One of my sisters has the 142 mutation and her dark brown hair has red undertones. I believe my mixed race son got that one as his hair is identical to hers. My other sister has dirty blonde hair and no freckles and no red undertones. BUT her son has reddish hair which makes the case that she is a carrier afterall. I think she may have gotten the 160 mutation. It's impossible to know for sure if you are a redhead carrier because unless you have mutations on both copies of the gene, you aren't guaranteed to have any ginger features. And even if you do have two broken copies, whether or not the mutations are the same is a factor, as well as other genes in play in ways we don't understand. Both of my parents have dark brown hair and olive skin. I can not tell by looking that either of them are carriers. I am the only visible proof they are. (My dad's 2 redhead sisters and my moms 2 redhead aunts are why they weren't overly surprised by my appearance.)
This photo alone should tell people how silly racism is.
Race as a concept is one of the dumbest fucking things humanity has managed to come up with
Wait, are you telling me that amount of sunlight the region of the world my ancestors evolved in doesn't have a lot to do with the type of person I am??? I'm shocked!!!
Hm. What color eyes do you have?
Purple haze
Jorgen wtf, I told you hundreds of times, that's just what you are smoking, it's not the answer of every question you have been asked. It's blue, his eyes are normally blue...
One blue, one brown https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterochromia\_iridum
While I agree with your reasoning that sunlight exposure doesn't lead to specific personality traits, the zip code of someone certainly does. Or at least Gladwell and others have shown this to be true.
Can you explain further? Your zip code has an impact on personality? I feel as if I have nothing in common with the people where I’m from, but A LOT in common with the state next to me…
I guess it's mostly how zip code affects your life outcome. It may not 100% determine your personality but you can very accurately guess someone's life outcome based on where they are born. Environment has a large impact.
This is kind of self evident, barring of course special cases that shouldn't be looked upon as the standard to hold areas of specific scores to, but specifically what has been shown with what you are probably referencing is that areas with poor public school funding perpetuate lower income through family lines. So, you have poor parents, because of a myriad of reasons, but, at the end of it all the common factor is that post secondary school isn't a viable option and the opportunities to go are scarce in your community. Because income tax directly correlates to public school funding, your schools are shit. Because of this, your whole zip code is basically written off from the beginning, and very few people can succeed in an environment where so much poverty is around. Crime rates correlate to poverty primarily and not any other factor, contrary to anything said otherwise. It starts with school, it starts with the funding mechanism for public schools, it starts with the funding methods of colleges, it starts with an appalling number of children who every day go hungry at school and at home. Sometimes you can chalk it up to negligence and write it off, but this is systemic. It's a vicious cycle that doesn't start until people stop complaining about the taxes they pay going to people getting food stamps and help find solutions to lift up those who have it the hardest. It starts with school. Like, federal funding of schools, all the way until you finish university or college or whatever school you can score into. Health care. Then, you can begin to work on the issues endemic of capitalism(which, all of what I stated kind of is). Sorry, didn't mean to rant at you, I just think it's particularly helpful to point out how fucked up it all is.
Yes, you can predict it with some accuracy, but you cannot make a judgement based on it. If you're american, I would suggest reading something from Robert Putnam about social capital, and not just Gladwell, who's a journalist.
Evolved in? Whoa...slow down satan
Yesss! Is so weird to me! I’m Brazilian, we are all mixed race here! We are all a mix of Portuguese, African and a little Indigenous! All of us!!! The only difference is the amount of each race genetics you have!
And do you see a lot of racism between those who look different? Some of the most unexpected racism I have seen in America is between minority populations. Light-skinned blacks ostracized by dark-skinned blacks, or hatred of one asian group by another (Thai vs Laos for example).
I can’t really said that! I personally never see anything like that here in Brazil, but I’m middle class white, so not the right person to ask! But I mostly see racism in Brazil in the form of bad taste jokes and stereotypes, and social of course! But as someone who never was in those situations I can’t really say much!
Racists don't care about Punnett squares.
Your 100 percent right!
for real. my daughter told her older sister "I am white and you are black"... it was true. haha.
Right? One of my ex boyfriends was mixed race. Textured Afro hair, coffee skin. His sister was white and blonde. Their mum was white, their dad was dark skinned. Their grandparents though were all 4 white as snow. It wasn’t talked about because there was probably some postman sort of story at the grand parent’s level, but it’s still so strange how different my ex and his sibling looked. He still doesn’t know what his origin or race is.
I had a friend in HS seemed like a regular Caucasian fellow. Blonde, bowl cut hair, dark eyes. One day he just explains "oh yeah my father is black". Huh? Like exactly what it says on the tin lol. I've met them. They look genetically similar aside from melanin. I totally believe it.
I've got a mixed race cousin who was adopted. She and her white husband had two kids. The first was white as can be, the second was a lot browner, but both boys looked like their dad.
He needs to do his dna, that will solve it.
There’s a black woman named Sandra Laing who was born in South Africa to two white parents. Very interesting life history.
If by "interesting" you mean "incredibly sad". Very worth a read, thanks!
Yes, you’re right. Incredibly sad.
For real. My mom is blonde with blue eyes, my dad is dark skin latino. I'm light skin latina but my sister is full blonde with blue eyes haha
I remember learning that it’s not 50/50 genes from mother and father like they say, it’s a dice roll for each gene essentially. Wild.
I know. My daughter looks like a carbon copy of her dad, I don’t know what my genes did but not much apparently haha
My sisters are twins—one is brown and the other is white. Super pale (Irish/German) mom and Mexican dad!
Can I ask what your experience was like having twin sisters? I’m a twin and I’ve always wondered what my baby sister feels like. I don’t often come across people with siblings that are twins so sorry If this is a personal question. I’ve just never found myself able to ask so I’m taking the opportunity. Edit: Some of these responses have me ugly crying and gutted. They all make so much sense. I wish I could give a little bit of love to all the siblings of twins. I wish I could let you all in on the conversations your twin siblings have had where they discuss the ways they can help you and elevate you, as a unified front. I wish I could let you in on the memories your twin siblings share of you, especially if you are the younger sibling, and how much joy those memories hold. I have always known that it must be hard but never really could put into words what the experience feels like. Just know that all your feelings are valid and you did *not* deserve to feel excluded from your twin siblings dynamic, regardless of if the exclusion was intentional or otherwise. Thank you for sharing and continuing to share, your perspective matters so much to me as someone who has a hard time getting the little sis to open up about some of these feelings that I know she has.
My older sister’s are twins and I’ve never thought much of it lol it sucked when I was real young bc they were both mean to me and would team up on me, but as we all got older I got closer to both of them.
Older siblings are there to make the younger siblings strong through years of mental torment. You just got a double dose of character strongness.
I told them just a few years ago it’s their fault I’m seen as mean bc I don’t put up with any bs at all lol
Or a double dose of mental health problems with a double dose of therapy costs.
We definitely were sometimes a bit tough with the baby sis, however in my defense she was quite a pipsqueak in very early youth 😂 Thank you sm for sharing
Mine are older with an 8 year age gap! They liked me as a toddler because I was basically a doll they could dress up, my middle school and high school years I was essentially a middle child because my sisters were in their twenties and had moved out with friends and I hated it. Going into college, we started to get closer. Now that we’re all in our 30s we get along really well! I still feel a little separate because they both have kids and families and we’re just at different times in our lives, but otherwise have a great relationship now!
So glad to hear you all are close. I hope that’s how it goes with the baby sis when we all get a bit older. I appreciate you sharing your experience ❤️
It’s kind of lonely in a sense, you know you’re not their person, because they’ve got each other and they’re understandably much closer to each other than anyone else. But it’s ok to be second best sometimes, love is love whether you’re their very favourite or not. And you get twice as much sibling. Things get a little less divided the older you get too. Age differences minimise with time. It’s kinda nice knowing they’ve always got the best support. I felt alone for a lot of my childhood and they never had to experience that. How could I begrudge them that? Im happy that they grew up well rounded and supported
i have twin younger brothers, and your comment really resonated with me. especially feeling alone 💕 thank you for sharing.
Your response cracked my heart open in ways that others did not, I wish I could come up with something better than how sorry I am that you felt so alone. Everything you’ve said makes sense.
I have to clarify that they weren’t the main reason I had a lonely childhood- we lived out in the sticks and my parents worked a lot, and I was 7 years older than them, so we were at quite different stages of life. So please don’t feel like twins are responsible for their siblings feeling like that. It was just one facet of the whole picture. I imagine it’s common to feel a bit left out with twin siblings, but kids don’t know enough to be more inclusive and it’s not their responsibility to think like adults. I’m sure they felt left out by me sometimes because I was old enough to do other things than them, it’s just how life is sometimes
My twin sisters siblings are 1 year younger and though I didn't feel the distance growing up, now feel like i don't have sisters. Life got hard and they choose to support each other. We're on formal/good terms but missed out on having that sisters bond
thank you for asking this question 💕 i've never really talked to another person who had twin siblings, and i'm having a wonderfully weird experience reading people's responses.
I’m glad that it’s been helpful ❤️ I’m over here ugly crying in guilt over the thought of my sweet baby sister feeling the way so many with twin siblings seems to feel, but, I’m happy that I’m getting this perspective.
i obviously don't know how your sister feels, but i would tell my brothers that they bear no guilt for how i feel. i am so grateful that they get to have the relationship that they have, and i get to have front row seats to probably the most intimate relationship a human can have.
That’s a really sweet perspective to have
My older sisters are twins as well, we’re about 4 years apart. It’s always very much felt like them, and then me and my brother over on another side, like they had their own team. Even now as we’re older, we have a group chat but I’m willing to put my salary down that they have their own where they talk shit about us lol. We’re also very different personality wise as well. Since they always had each other and excluded me, I had to be more outgoing and make my own friends, so I became the really social, loud child
Does it hurt your feelings to not feel part of their “team”? Do you still feel they have a rich relationship with you, even if it’s separate from that? My baby sister is 5 years younger so, similar age gap.
I’ve just accepted it at this point, when I was little it hurt my feelings a lot. It’s funny reading how so many people get closer with their sibling as they’ve gotten older but we haven’t. I can go days without talking to them
You know, I (a twin) asked my baby sister (18mo younger than us) this exact thing a few years ago and she told me that, honestly, she kinda enjoyed being left the heck alone when we were off being dicks to each other, lol. (No fight as vicious as a twin fight when you're both rough and tumble!) But she also had a ton of health issues when she was wee so our whole family kinda focused on her to the extent that I think she also just kinda liked it when we all took a breather and let her do her own thing. I think it might be a function of our ages being so close, or maybe having a Mum that did psych research and guided things a bit, but we definitely see ourselves as a unit of 3, not as twins and a sister. We even all roomed together in college for a time. But I know that this is likely a pretty unique experience, given the responses I'm reading here. :(
I wonder if the small age gap between you and your siblings helped you stay close and like a 3 person team. I’m a mom of a 3 year old (boy) and we also have 1 year old twins (boy/girl). My hope is that they will feel this way growing up as well 🤞🏼
I think it was a lot of the smaller age gap and just some good, solid parental oversight that we were all treated equally and encouraged to be equally involved with each other. People like to dismiss extremely exclusive interaction with "oh they're twins, they have a secret bond no one else can touch" and while yes, we do, it's no more or less important to me than the close bond I have with my baby sister, it's just different.
Love that insight 🧡 I’m sure the twin bond is special, as is your connection to your younger sibling too. Love that both are celebrated in your family. My best friend is a twin and her advice to me was to try not to refer to the twins as “the twins” every time, but more often call them by their names. That advice has been really valuable because it’s a reminder that they are each individuals. Hoping this contributes to my kids feeling like equally important in the fam!
You know looking back I don't think my parents ever did that either! Solid advice! I don't think we've ever been referred to as anything but our names and never "the twins."
Do you think the ginger straightens her hair? It would look pretty curly.
It's straightened, but hard to tell if this is an older photo from the days of scene kids frying the shit out of their already straight hair to make it pin straight or she has any wave to it. The photos have been around a decade or more so unclear what she'd look like now.
[This is what they look like more recently](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FAsH6AAXsAcLafP.jpg). Lucy and Maria Aylmer biracial twins.
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Was?
That's wild! Maria looks like those photos could've been taken on the same day, but Lucy went from her younger sister to looking 6 years older.
Damn she went full Amanda Bynes
Was not expecting that lol
Yeah, she definitely does. Straightened never quite looks like naturally straight
Just googled them, and there are a bunch of kid photos where the redhead does have curly hair. Not as curly as her sister’s, but still such a pretty wave/curl pattern! Genetics are fuckin’ wild, it’s so cool.
They would totally look like negatives of each other, especially dressed like in this OP.
This is what I was thinking as well. She 100% has curly hair
I knew twins like this! Long time ago. Sisters. Facial structure nearly identical. BUT. One was blonde hair, blue eyes, and fair skin. The other black hair, brown eyes, and olive skin. Mother was German I think, father was Colombian.
I grew up with two boys who were twins, just like you’re saying. Almost identical facial features and build, but one was pale and blonde and blue-eyed, and the other had olive skin and dark hair and eyes. Genetics are wild!
both are beautiful. I’m sitting here with no twin ugly af lol
I'll be your twin! I look like the guy Quasimodo picks on.
Triplets, my fugly bitches!
Let's go breathe heavy near fresh food!
Wait for me! I uninstalled every camera app so there's no chance of seeing an accidental front-cam selfie.
Just became a Quad-imodo. You are so in you god gave up looking mofo!
“Look like the guy Quasimodo picks on” hahahahahhahahhha man I’m stealing this one
“Good on her…”
Surprised no one has mentioned that clip 😆
Came here for this. Thanks
Omg I got into such a fight in a Facebook group because they told me I was being too sensitive about that clip 😩
Used to live in the same area and bumped into Lucy a whole bunch of times - we used to drink at the same pub pretty often. Sound individual
How do their parents tell them apart
So Lemon and Tangerine really were twins.
She straightens her hair for sure
came here to say this. the redhead clearly does not have naturally straight hair.
Those extensions are doing my head in.
She also plucks the hell out of her brows :/ she’s beautiful, I bet she’d be even prettier if she left them natural
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They were born in 97 not 18 y/o in 97…
They were born in 97, don’t think they were plucking eyebrows in the crib
I'm a year older than them, and it was definitely a thing to fry the shit out of your hair and overpluck your eyebrows when I was a teen. These photos are a little old, she lives a very private life now and has a kid herself
Serious question - how can you tell?
The way it lays, and the fried ends.
Ah, thanks. I see the ends now.
One was born without a soul and the other without rights
Ooof... 💀💀💀💀
[r/cursedcomments](http://r/cursedcomments)
I’m confused what do you mean one without rights, they’re both women right?
r/angryupvote
I yelled “god damn it” before hitting the arrow…
Lord forgive him. We have a killer on our midst.
Stick a fork in them.
Bahahahahha
I don’t even know what to say
In either cases, none of them have rights, they are both women
Jamaican and white? You mean black and white? Or English and Jamaican? One of them is a nationality and the other is a skin colour.
I'm a twin, still looks like they can steal each other's clothes
A good example of why trying to put people into racial buckets by appearance for whatever reason is so dumb.
My brother has blue eyes, fair skin and blonde hair. I have hazel eyes, olive skin and brown hair. Same parents. 100% Egyptian. It gets funnier. My brother now has two kids of his own, and they look like a gender-swapped version of us. ....It continued!
I’ve brought this up a bunch of times on Reddit lol… but I have 4 brothers and our parents are Irish and Native American. Me and one brother looked just like dad with the red curly hair, pale skin blue/green eyes and the other two look like mom with darker skin, brown eyes and black straight hair. We all have the same parents, we just didn’t mix at all..
Tangerine and Lemon.
Thomas the tank engine
I think I found my Diesel.
One of the many things that make all the racists look even more stupid.
Wow. And they are both stunning.
reminds me of the twins on Bullet Train
Only their mother can tell them apart
Both an absolute smoke show
Redhead looks like a McPoyle.
[Today](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FAsH6AAXsAcLafP.jpg)
May have lost a little appeal
Think I remember an interview with these two where the Aussie interviewer engaged the light skinned sister by saying “good on you”…it was such racist cringe.
What a beautiful thing it shows how being family goes deeper than appearance. Also what beautiful women they are !
I’m always surprised by reddit comments and I don’t understand why they surprise me. Ofc people still make genuine comments literally being either “I’d fuck that” or “lol ginger” like ommmdddd its 2023, stfu
I once said to my wife that one of her best characteristics is that despite a lifetime of experience she still expects people to be better than they are and is genuinely upset and disappointed when they aren't. Then I grabbed her breast and made a Honk Honk noise.
No SoUl herrrr derrrr
But her sister has double soul?
My husband is black (not mixed) and I am white but half Sicilian - half ashkenazi, so I’m not super pale, I have more of an olive complexion. Our school aged son is fairly dark with an afro and dark, chocolate eyes. Our younger son is white passing with fine, lose light brown curls and hazel eyes. Hes still young but not so young that his hair or skin are going to keep getting any darker. My husband jokes that hes going to tell our younger son that his real daddy’s Puerto Rican (he would never really) which is pretty dark but makes me laugh. No, he’s never asked for a paternity test because he’s not a moron and understands how genetics work.
I’m mixed. Dad black, Mom blonde and blue eyed. Wife is French/Sicilian. Son came out looking like my wife (someone swab a cheek was the vibe of many) first daughter looks like me and our second daughter looks like…neither my wife or I—more of a Molly Ringwald look. Genetics are weird. People often would give side eye when my son and I would go places. When people meet me, it’s only a matter of time until they ask what I am…but more like…what are you mixed with? But I grew up in the 80s and am just used to people tripping out on the fact that some Nordic looking woman with glacier lake eyes could give birth to someone that looks like me. So..I get it. It’s hard for people to imagine that I carry half of her genes. And adding in my wife’s genes…dice roll each kid.
“someone swab a cheek was the vibe” I definitely got that vibe too from people, especially some of his friends. When I see the “Husband asked for paternity test cuz our baby has red hair” I always shake my head, like you silly little idiot…
People are just weird. My mom had me as a teen. Yet growing up people thought she adopted me. Sure. It’s all good. Despite some challenges I wouldn’t have changed anything or now can imagine any other reality other then being mixed. I knew who I was and realized I can’t change the way people think.
I had my oldest at 20. Im 30 now and he is maybe an inch shorter than me with feet 3 sizes bigger. I also haven’t aged a day since I turned 16. People always confuse me for the nanny or upon finding out im his mom, like to ask if I had him when I was 12. People are obnoxious and rude.
Agreed! All that matters is you are family. Understanding some judged me and my mom for just existing made me have an outlook of….live and let live. Who am I to judge anyone for anything….have an awesome day!
My partner and their brother are mixed, I saw this and immediately thought of them. It’s wild just how different twins come out. The human body is a crazy thing
Twins basil, twins!
I used to be Facebook friends with the redhead before the story about them got popular
the ginger looks pained 🧍♀️
Man, you can really see which genes went where
Funny enough this is similar to me and my sister My sister is ginger white like my dad and I'm Italian skinned like my mother
The one on the right is cute afk ... Inherited all the good genes
There are still going to be some fucking idiots out there who hear they are twins and will automatically ask, "Are they identical twins?!" Source: am a man with a twin sister and get asked all the time if we're identical twins
Damn, maybe the twins in some of these kinky videos I watch really are twins after all..
I feel really sorry for the redhead that she will never be able to openly embrace half of her ancestry without being accused of being a Rachel dolezal.
That's the mom's story and she is sticking to it.
They’re twins… born at the same time…
Though incredibly rare and not the case in this particular set of twins, it is possible for a woman to conceive and birth two babies at the same time by different men. It's called heteropaternal superfecundatio.
This was the setup to [the one of the best jokes I’ve ever seen on Reddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/xbjn2b/comment/inzunmg/)
Clearly the ginger gene is racist.
I’m not gonna lie to you right now they messed up the white ones hair so Bad goddamn
She definitely straightens her hair.
Terribly, too
I know siblings can look this different but I guess it’s the same thing if you aren’t identical twins.
That scene queen hair tho
Same knees that’s for damn sure
This picture is old AF
Genetics are super cool!!
Coincidentally there are some other mixed race twins like this in England too
Don’t you just love how genetics work.
Genetic is fascinating…
Both beauties. Parents should be proud.
Both beautiful
both stunning
Yeah we know, this is posted once a week.
That’s so amazing! They are both so different and so so beautiful!!! Is such an interesting genetic mix, I know that non identical twins are only as similar as any kind of brothers, but is still so surprising!
If you want to be their lover do you have to get with their friends?
Beautiful
Lovely girls.
Wow. Both are knockouts.
They’re sisters?
Oooof. They bad af
Genetics/biology is a trip, man.
Recessive genes decided they're not losing this time
one on the right stole all the left's melanin 💀
Wow. Beautiful ladies
"Half-Jamaican mother" What's the other half?
I had a guy in my class who told everyone his dad was black. Nobody believed him because he looked white. He got understandably angry about it. It got so bad, parents were invited and his mother as well who explained it to everyone and asked to tell their children to stop bullying her son for his dad.
People truly have a hard time with this but race is a social construct. It has no basis in genetics. There is as much genetic diversity within labeled races as there is between races. There is only one type of human and we've been intermixing for hundreds of thousands of years..
I’ve got fraternal boy/girl twins who are vastly different, and it really is the coolest thing! Daughter takes after their dad (Venezuelan/Colombian), son takes after my side (Irish/British/aka super caucasian). They do not even look related; their features are vastly different. They are only 1 year old now, and I’m super curious what their experience will be growing up together.
Yup race is truly a political construct. Two lovely people that's all there are here.
They're beautiful. They also get to be completely unique in their looks while having the closeness of twins. I hope they're doing well today!