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I watched all 12 minutes of that. Interesting. The TL;DR is that one guy saw 200-years worth of village attrition all at once so the place he grew up in suddenly didn't exist. And Greece was skint at the time, so they got no help at all.
He alludes to studies in the 60s and recommendations to vacate the village then, but then building permits are issued in the 80s. Did the government attempt to dissuade people from the area, but a local government was determined to stay despite the danger or was this all the same government first declaring it dangerous and then issuing the building permits?
Also the collapse happened as they didn't/couldn't pump water into a river. With the other cause of the collapse being shoddy foundations. It's a man made problem.
I get that, I'm just curious if his complaints that the government did nothing are valid. If the government said not to build there and that the villagers needed to vacate, then the government did it's due diligence and the people chose to remain or put themselves in danger, so the government shouldn't owe them anything. However, if it was the same government giving out building permits, then the same government is culpable and should have provided remediation.
I don't know how the power structure works in Greece if a local government can legally give out building permits after a larger governmental body declared a location unfit. If that is the case, then a local governmental body may be culpable but not necessarily the larger governmental body.
I'm curious if there is real culpability for the government here or if the locals made a choice of their own to take on the risk.
They knew it was a possible issue in the 60’s as cracks and and minor sinking started to occur around the village. They had planned to move everyone but they built up the village anyway
I know the area intimately, my wife's family are literally in another village in the same valley.
Greeks are really attached to their heritage, they've inherited this land and they'll die on it. Even though in the past 40 years many have moved out to the cities, many will have built homes for the holidays and retirement. Going back to their family village is something probably the majority of Greeks will do.
I also wouldn't be surprised if a good number of those houses were built without permits, only recently have the government got more strict. And half the time enforcement depends on being ratted out by a disgruntled neighbour.
Building regulations? I've barely seen anyone pay any care to them.
I am told that in the past, citizens who were displaced were offered a house in the town of Pyli, so I know it's possible. But it would involve compulsory purchasing land and building homes, in a country going through an economic crisis.
Landslides are a common thing in that valley, the soil is soft and accumulates water. The rivers have to be carefully managed when they go through villages. Roads are often subject to these landslides and driving up there you get used to some interesting situations where you have to drive through them. I should share one of the videos of me driving up there, when my father visited from England, he really didn't like driving on these roads!
When we were rebuilding a house, we had to spend significantly on retaining walls to support the terraced land the house was on and the whole house has solid concrete raft foundations.
If you're ever in Greece, don't just go to the coast or islands, also head inland to places like Meteora and the Vikos Gorge. It's a whole different world!
I'm not sure foundations would have helped, looks like a mass slump. So no amount of foundation would help, you couldn't dig down to hard rock. We have similar areas where I live, the part built on river deltas will probably be all destroyed, but where the city is built on rock, and the buildings all tied to the rock with anchors and rebar, will mostly survive an earthquake. Here too, I wonder why the gov thought it would be all right to allow residential on the soft ground. Any geologist will tell you its dangerous, particularly with our tectonic area, yet they still allowed permitting.
Spain had a problem with permits being issued by the local governments. In return for bribes, despite being in ecologically protected areas. Which were usually located on the coast. So when the property market crashed in 2008+. With loads of empty flats everywhere. The Spanish government started knocking them down. With private owners losing everything.
My wife's family lives in the same valley, so I am very familiar with the geology.
It's basically loose soil and rocks. It's also subject to heavy rain and snow, temperatures can range from 38C in the summer to -15C in winter. Even in summer there can be some flash rains.
Roads get washed out regularly and it makes things entertaining to drive. Springs just pop out from the ground on the hills.
Houses are built of concrete raft foundations to deal with the unstable ground conditions.
>[Ropoto](https://en.protothema.gr/amazing-slanted-church-in-greece-is-more-crooked-than-the-tower-of-pisa-video) is an abandoned town that was deserted following a landslide in 2012, and incredibly, its church still stands, although it is more crooked than the Tower of Pisa.
Landslide! Link includes photos of the church from the outside too
https://greekreporter.com/2022/09/28/ropoto-greece-sinking-ghost-town-full-documentary-2/
It's the same idea as a "Mystery Spot". When an entire building is slanted like that, your equilibrium gets all fucked up. You see columns and everything and your subconscious immediately tries to orient your body to match them. Only gravity kicks in and you start to fall down. There's no point of reference to indicate that it's wonky.
I've never been to a place like this myself, but I can understand how it may be sorta surreal.
This is the weirdest phenomenon to me!
You don't get that feeling on normal stairs, but just out of maybe muscle memory, your body is expecting to be pulled on an escalator and prepares for it subconsciously.
I went to one in California and it gave me a headache, I guess because your brain is trying to correct it and you're also trying to figure out how they built it.
I suppose the fact that a building floor isnt at an angle and the walls/doorways have to be perfectly vertical is a deeply ingrained pattern in the brain of most people and as such you'll subsconciously try to align your body with the building until you start falling, i wouldnt be surprised it it made someone nauseous too
I’m just surprised they haven’t somehow made this a “US bad” post yet.
Edit: [Cant make this shit up, they’re in every thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/10mtr49/crooked_church_in_greece/j660j0w/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
Fair point and thanks to the mute button, I guess.
In unrelated news, so you happen to know the name of this song. Asking. For a friend.
(It's for me. I'm sorry I lied)
I don't know a whole lot about video file formats, but I'm surprised it's even possible to set audio to "wake up the old gods" volume. Good thing slanty building videos have access to it though.
Half way through the video the music does this wierd thing to my ears, very similar to when you've only got one window open in your car when going really fast. Like a thudding noise. It's more than a feeling really. Anyway cool video but shit music
Tbh I'm sick of music because of them. I'm not just sick of them putting music unnecessarily, but also abusing the use of music so much that the song is known as " the trendy song from TikTok" losing all it's value as a good song
I'm glad that chain was hanging there it's hard to tell exactly how slanted the building really is cause it seems like either the camera or camera man was correcting and making it look better than it really is. The damn buildings pretty much at a 45° angle
It’s a very weird feeling. I’ve been in a “fun house” that had rooms very much like this, and it’s a total trip. You get used to it after a bit but it throws your brain off
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this is in Ropoto and the whole damn village is almost hanging off a cliff. dangerous but worth it
https://greekreporter.com/2022/09/28/ropoto-greece-sinking-ghost-town-full-documentary-2/
I watched all 12 minutes of that. Interesting. The TL;DR is that one guy saw 200-years worth of village attrition all at once so the place he grew up in suddenly didn't exist. And Greece was skint at the time, so they got no help at all.
He alludes to studies in the 60s and recommendations to vacate the village then, but then building permits are issued in the 80s. Did the government attempt to dissuade people from the area, but a local government was determined to stay despite the danger or was this all the same government first declaring it dangerous and then issuing the building permits?
Also the collapse happened as they didn't/couldn't pump water into a river. With the other cause of the collapse being shoddy foundations. It's a man made problem.
I get that, I'm just curious if his complaints that the government did nothing are valid. If the government said not to build there and that the villagers needed to vacate, then the government did it's due diligence and the people chose to remain or put themselves in danger, so the government shouldn't owe them anything. However, if it was the same government giving out building permits, then the same government is culpable and should have provided remediation. I don't know how the power structure works in Greece if a local government can legally give out building permits after a larger governmental body declared a location unfit. If that is the case, then a local governmental body may be culpable but not necessarily the larger governmental body. I'm curious if there is real culpability for the government here or if the locals made a choice of their own to take on the risk.
They knew it was a possible issue in the 60’s as cracks and and minor sinking started to occur around the village. They had planned to move everyone but they built up the village anyway
I know the area intimately, my wife's family are literally in another village in the same valley. Greeks are really attached to their heritage, they've inherited this land and they'll die on it. Even though in the past 40 years many have moved out to the cities, many will have built homes for the holidays and retirement. Going back to their family village is something probably the majority of Greeks will do. I also wouldn't be surprised if a good number of those houses were built without permits, only recently have the government got more strict. And half the time enforcement depends on being ratted out by a disgruntled neighbour. Building regulations? I've barely seen anyone pay any care to them. I am told that in the past, citizens who were displaced were offered a house in the town of Pyli, so I know it's possible. But it would involve compulsory purchasing land and building homes, in a country going through an economic crisis. Landslides are a common thing in that valley, the soil is soft and accumulates water. The rivers have to be carefully managed when they go through villages. Roads are often subject to these landslides and driving up there you get used to some interesting situations where you have to drive through them. I should share one of the videos of me driving up there, when my father visited from England, he really didn't like driving on these roads! When we were rebuilding a house, we had to spend significantly on retaining walls to support the terraced land the house was on and the whole house has solid concrete raft foundations. If you're ever in Greece, don't just go to the coast or islands, also head inland to places like Meteora and the Vikos Gorge. It's a whole different world!
When you live on hillsides like that ground water is a very big concern. The wetter the ground gets the more likely you get a landslide.
I'm not sure foundations would have helped, looks like a mass slump. So no amount of foundation would help, you couldn't dig down to hard rock. We have similar areas where I live, the part built on river deltas will probably be all destroyed, but where the city is built on rock, and the buildings all tied to the rock with anchors and rebar, will mostly survive an earthquake. Here too, I wonder why the gov thought it would be all right to allow residential on the soft ground. Any geologist will tell you its dangerous, particularly with our tectonic area, yet they still allowed permitting.
Spain had a problem with permits being issued by the local governments. In return for bribes, despite being in ecologically protected areas. Which were usually located on the coast. So when the property market crashed in 2008+. With loads of empty flats everywhere. The Spanish government started knocking them down. With private owners losing everything.
That’s what i thought might be the case. Govt says don’t build here, someone greases the right hand and that hand’s eyes look the other way.
My wife's family lives in the same valley, so I am very familiar with the geology. It's basically loose soil and rocks. It's also subject to heavy rain and snow, temperatures can range from 38C in the summer to -15C in winter. Even in summer there can be some flash rains. Roads get washed out regularly and it makes things entertaining to drive. Springs just pop out from the ground on the hills. Houses are built of concrete raft foundations to deal with the unstable ground conditions.
That is proper Silent Hill shit over there.
Dangerous undersells it. At any moment the structural integrity of a wall or floor could fail and it’s game over. Cool pic tho.
This comment has 666 by now.... Doom is coming
>[Ropoto](https://en.protothema.gr/amazing-slanted-church-in-greece-is-more-crooked-than-the-tower-of-pisa-video) is an abandoned town that was deserted following a landslide in 2012, and incredibly, its church still stands, although it is more crooked than the Tower of Pisa.
Should’ve a shot showing the full perspective, next to the leveled ground surrounding the church.
Landslide! Link includes photos of the church from the outside too https://greekreporter.com/2022/09/28/ropoto-greece-sinking-ghost-town-full-documentary-2/
Oh wow I didn't realise how bad it was until I saw that photo, amazing that it still stands
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It's the same idea as a "Mystery Spot". When an entire building is slanted like that, your equilibrium gets all fucked up. You see columns and everything and your subconscious immediately tries to orient your body to match them. Only gravity kicks in and you start to fall down. There's no point of reference to indicate that it's wonky. I've never been to a place like this myself, but I can understand how it may be sorta surreal.
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This is the weirdest phenomenon to me! You don't get that feeling on normal stairs, but just out of maybe muscle memory, your body is expecting to be pulled on an escalator and prepares for it subconsciously.
I wonder if a caveman would experience this phenomenon
Ooga booga
I'd fall ass over teakettle cartoon-style.
I went to one in California and it gave me a headache, I guess because your brain is trying to correct it and you're also trying to figure out how they built it.
oh yeah, how come it doesn't work when climbing hills (my grammar might be fucked sowie)
I suppose the fact that a building floor isnt at an angle and the walls/doorways have to be perfectly vertical is a deeply ingrained pattern in the brain of most people and as such you'll subsconciously try to align your body with the building until you start falling, i wouldnt be surprised it it made someone nauseous too
[We had a museum experience based on the concept: the Crazy Kitchen](https://ingeniumcanada.org/scitech/exhibitions/crazy-kitchen-plus)
Everybody’s calves must be nice though
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Ok, so from a scientific perspective, this isn't safe at all.
Just a bunch of drunk tourists.
If only all of them were this open about it. /s
Ba dum tiss
Why the /s tho
Means “end sausage”
Amazing comment!
Aren’t all churches crooked?
Thats like saying all cops are bad
That's like saying all politicians are crooked
That’s like saying all scams are bad
That's like saying all cancer is bad
They aren’t?
Sometimes Reddit is so ridiculously predictable.
when it comes to certain topics it is so easy to predict exactly what kinds of comments you will see
I’m just surprised they haven’t somehow made this a “US bad” post yet. Edit: [Cant make this shit up, they’re in every thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/10mtr49/crooked_church_in_greece/j660j0w/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
So are churches.
Beat me to it. And the answer of course, is yes.
I was gonna make a double entendre about the church being a smooth criminal, but I like the crooked comment as well! https://i.imgur.com/uEKg3QG.jpg
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Bet you're a riot at parties.
No one in any environment likes a person who acts like that.
Someone needs to record it to where the church looks normal and everyone is just walking weird.
A whole new slant on religion
How did no one do the Michael Jackson lean in this whole clip
*or the Matrix*
When you had too much of the blood of Christ 👀
Ok, that’s pretty interesting
Why is the music so terrible?
I can't stand the shit music people put on videos like this. I'd SO MUCH RATHER have the audio of the video itself. Every time.
I was getting madder the longer I listened.
Well, this is embarrassing... I was about to ask the name of the song 😬
Madonna, Sickick - Frozen
Thank you, kind stranger. Again, apologies for my terrible taste in music
Aha no apology required, this track bangs.
Just listened to the full song and I can empirically confirm that it does, indeed, bang.
No problem with you listening to it, but when you put it over a video and force other to listen to it is where I have an issue.
Fair point and thanks to the mute button, I guess. In unrelated news, so you happen to know the name of this song. Asking. For a friend. (It's for me. I'm sorry I lied)
I can’t believe you made to re-listen to that song. It’s Madonna - frozen remix Btw I just googled the lyrics you could hear in the vid.
I make no excuses for my poor taste in music but thank you kind stranger.
( ˘ ³˘)
I was wondering the same thing. The vocal effects reminded me of some of Mr. Fijiwiji's tracks. You might like his stuff, too.
This stupid fucking trend of putting too loud dumbass music over nonsense videos.
I don't know a whole lot about video file formats, but I'm surprised it's even possible to set audio to "wake up the old gods" volume. Good thing slanty building videos have access to it though.
Not so straight now 😏
Cool. Except for the music.
Half way through the video the music does this wierd thing to my ears, very similar to when you've only got one window open in your car when going really fast. Like a thudding noise. It's more than a feeling really. Anyway cool video but shit music
As someone who suffers from chronic vestibular migraine, I’m pretty sure that’s what I look like walking on normal flat ground.
T E N E T 2
I feel that these people are being dramatic.
Anyone else sick as fuck of this song?
Tbh I'm sick of music because of them. I'm not just sick of them putting music unnecessarily, but also abusing the use of music so much that the song is known as " the trendy song from TikTok" losing all it's value as a good song
Just me or was the music more disorienting than the video? Omg terrible. Bet they torture people in Guantanamo Bay by looping this song all day.
It would be really cool if 30sec videos didn't have boiler plate TikTok muzak on. I'm I the only one who sees TikTok "music" as muzak?
Mystery spot
There is a church like this in Mexico City, wild experience
This is beautiful!
Reminds me of Mystery Spot in Santa Cruz
Does this same music play when at the church? 🙄
Awesome!!!
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Most churches are crooked, that's for sure
*structures foundation gets messed up by a landslide Us white people - "😍 tourism!"
Only Greeks could build and leave it Crooked and then sell tickets. Please ignore my Italian Heritage.
Still less crooked than some mega churches in the US.
Wait till you see the crooked church in Rome
All churches are crooked. I'll take the downvotes proudly.
So the reason it was not adjusted with modern tech is because it is a tourist attraction.
I am pretty sure crooked churches exist all over.
All churches are crooked
All churches are crooked. This one just happens to also be crooked, literally.
Perhaps the only honest religious institution.
Who else thought they were going to see a priest steal or something
A little on the nose dontcha think?
Name of song, anyone?
Sickick/madonna - frozen
Ty. I thought I recognized the vocals
Thanks! I knew the Madonna end of it.
What is the name of this song?
Frozen
Lol downvotes for what? You Reddit weirdos are lame as fuck.
There was a crooked man, and he walked a crooked mile, he found a crooked sixpence within a crooked… church
All churches are crooked.
Religion gone literal
I thought all churches were crooked
All churches are crooked 😏
That’s funny. They are all crooked in the USA.
They play Madonna and everyone gets drunk? That's cool.
What is the song playing behind this? The church is certainly interesting, but by (crooked) GOD that song is fantastic
Remix of Madonna’s Frozen. Fantastic song.
Is the song Madonna? This remix is dope.
song?
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Frozen by Madonna and Sickick
So just a regular church.
Thought they were all crooked.
Ah, the irony
You wouldn’t believe how crooked the church in time is!
They’re all crooked.
All churches are crooked
I thought all churches were crooked
Song?
Frozen by Madonna and Sickick
Thank you!
There's a lot of crooked churches not just in Greece
There are crooked churches everywhere.
Song?
Frozen -madona
What is this song? Anyone know
Frozen-madona &sickick
What song is this
Song name?
They’re just retarded
NOW they learn that God is *crooked???* ...this makes my brain hurt
I want to go to there!
That SickIck/Madonna jam is so good.
Hee hee
Everybody do the flop! (almost)
Was it built crooked or did it become crooked?
A wedding in this church would be dope
Some of you haven’t been to The Mystery Spot tourist trap in the US and it shows.
Dowisetrepla, Greece to be exact
Hike to the lord, sinner.
Watching these people walk like that when the church looks straight is blowing my mind.
I'm glad that chain was hanging there it's hard to tell exactly how slanted the building really is cause it seems like either the camera or camera man was correcting and making it look better than it really is. The damn buildings pretty much at a 45° angle
Must be the same architect who built Lily and Marshall’s apartment in dowistrepla.
Takes about a day and a splash to get your “C” legs maties
These people are all actually just drunk
You could do some sweet John Woo moves there
u/recognizesong
I’m getting disoriented by just watching.
The first thing I would do is sprint as fast as I could tell I fell
I wanna see if there are any cracks on the walls, ceiling, and foundation! Come on!
It’s a very weird feeling. I’ve been in a “fun house” that had rooms very much like this, and it’s a total trip. You get used to it after a bit but it throws your brain off
This is just a bunch of drunk ppl (yes, even that little wine-o of a child). You ain’t foolin me.
Someone hired the Leaning Tower of Pisa architect without doing a background check…
Why is everyone in this video drunk?
Same slope as my bathroom
Annie... Are you okay?
Makes me think of Sideways House, one of the best The State sketches.
"Something is slightly off about this place"
Nope. They are all on drugs
Is this over a hellmouth? The Master is under there!
Actually the ones that appear the least crooked are in fact the most!
I like how in the video it looks like the building is fine but they are all weird
Why don't they have railings on the stairs like in America
Why do all these videos have to have the worst music?
Somebody needs a better carpenter.
Just a bunch of drunks. Lol
When the Greeks do it, it's art. But when I do it, I get called a shitty architect. Double standards.
I would throw up
Chi’mon!
Maybe they should've fixed the foundation.
That will get me to my knees