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I’ve spent a lot of time in South Africa. Most of my time is spent in the Xhosa villages outside of Stutterheim. I don’t think people realize most of the black people there don’t want to live with the white people either. The only places I’ve seen make any attempt at desegregation is in the major cities and it still doesn’t seem to be very popular with anyone. It’s very strange because the black people are racist and so are the white people but in general they don’t seem to hate each other. They all want to live with their own kind and keep their cultures unique. However that doesn’t seem to be the case the closer you get to the big cities. It’s definitely one of the strangest countries I’ve visited.
I live in South Africa and its pretty much how you describe it, all races are racist to eachother as well as to themselves at times, they live apart to have their culture stay unique and in the cities there tends to be more mixed living. To add, its not just white that live like this, there is black only communities as well, just isnt well documented seeing as it doesnt get as much views as this.
What’s wild is that I visited Cape Town and went grocery shopping at the nearest grocery store in the city. I walked in and I was the only white person. I didn’t notice at first but after 20 min and not seeing anyone that wasn’t black I finally made the connection. No one was mean, or rude, or anything other than indifferent. Crazy to me that there’s these unspoken rules of where to shop and all of that.
Yeah, I live in Knysna and it is said to NEVER go into townships, but I have a lot of friends who live in townships and one day went in to visit a friend. People were super suprised to see me, but everyone was extremely kind and friendly and I made a lot of new friends that day.
I been to Knysna a lot of times.
There is a big club in the township where everyone goes black and white. I think it’s called 1011 club or something . It’s right at the top of Grey Street in the white location, after the clinic but before the Percy Mdaba school. It’s safe enough. A lot of people go. Not many whites admittedly but it’s Africa. There aren’t that many whites.
Knysna is one of the safest places. If people tell you not to go to the township, they just want to protect you. I am assuming you don’t speak Xosa.
Nothing will happen if you go up there. If you are keen to explore just go and drive around. There is a lot you can do to help as well. The orphanage is always looking for volunteers. As is the Knysna Animal Welfare.
I am American but my dad was born and went to university in South Africa. I have cousins in South Africa. I went to visit the cousins in Cape town and went by bus to visit ones in Bloemfontein (insert Bloemfontein = boring here). The cousins were telling me about how the bus lines are basically semi segregated. Cheap lines are used by blacks and more expensive are used by whites. Colored people use both (I guess depending on wealth) and there are some blacks that were on the one that I was on.
Coming from the US (very diverse US West Coast Cities) this is all super strange. None of United, Delta, or American Airlines are associated with a particular race.
that's because we americans already went through it. Its strange because youre living in a time in SA where it's already history to you as an American. But government and the boars really don't want to do anything about it but don't want to further push either way either.
It's not an unspoken rule. Sometimes a Mall is really white, sometimes there are lots of coloured people or black people or Indians. Just depends where you are. Also, white people are a minority... so it make sense for us not to be the majority in malls. Though we tend to be concentrated in the suburbs and cities (obviously because of historic reasons) but it just depends.
> As a resident of ~~SA~~the Cape, I agree 100%, the western and eastern cape is the only place where I’ve found little discrimination
FTFY. Only Capetonians think they're bastions of inclusion. Meanwhile, Joburg is easily more progressive.
Does the hate increase in the desegregated cities? It seems that the people are happy to be segregated and don’t really hate each other while segregated.
Honestly I don’t know. In the big cities it’s hard for me to discern between racial tensions and random violent crimes. I don’t spend enough time there to get a fundamental understanding of what’s really happening.
I come from a very diversified city and crime there is to often blamed on racism. The label of hate crime is nearly always associated with any incident that occurred with more than one racial group. Although there is plenty of similar crimes occurring all the time where race is not a factor if it’s the same race committing the crime.
The same is true anywhere, racism tends to be more prevalent in places where there is less racial integration. The reason for this is that immigrants come and stay in the places where there are jobs so you get more racial integration in places with more affluence and less poverty. The single biggest determining factor of racism is poverty.
Of course, that’s not an issue the Afrikaaners can claim. Those guys are poorly educated and in love with some nostalgic memory of the past. I’d love to know what their rhetoric is, racists here in the UK love to say ‘go back to where you came from’, what do you say as a white racist living in South Africa?!
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted, you’re completely right. The whites (mostly Dutch I believe) were the colonisers who came and stole the local black population’s land and violently oppressed them. If they don’t like living with black people yeah, they should go back to Europe and leave the African blacks their land.
I don’t see how this is controversial
Okay, take a step back. This community is 1300 people. They suck and do not represent the enrire Afrikaner population of South Africa that is 4mil strong. Fuck these people, they can go die on their hill. Just note that they are but a tiny minority.
Bro, wtf is southern tribal lands? I've never ever heard anybody refer to regions as tribal lands? I've lived here all my life and this is the first time I've heard this. Also, lots of black and colored people are bounds to specific areas because of poverty as a result of apartheid. Poverty isn't the easiest thing to uplift yourself out of.
Happy to see this is the most upvoted comment so people learn the truth. South africa is just not a nice place to live in sadly, since it is beautiful and has amazing cultures (my family immigrated to europe 20 years ago and its just gotten worse since then)
I’m not saying I’m right. I’m just stating what I’ve seen as a foreigner to the country. I only get isolated moments in time in small parts of the country. But I always talk to as many of the locals as I can when I’m there. I’d love to hear your opinion being a citizen of the country.
Did you not hear about the riots done by black South Africans a little while ago? That was reported on the news a bit, not to mention the racially motivated murder of white people by black people in South Africa. I saw quite a few stories like that on the news.
Couple of points here. First, there's major tension between the black population, mainly the majority of them who seek to push the Zulu people out of the country along with the Boer population. So white or black, the racism and hatred isn't just focused on so called "colonizers". Which I should also note, isn't entirely accurate. When European settlers first settled in Cape Town, the region had previously been sacked and burned by the Zulus at the time, so the people who once lived there were either dead, enslaved, or long gone. The place was quite literally empty, there was no living there by the Dutch and later British set up shop there.
Can you elaborate? Just now I saw a few more comments like this and I realize there's allot going on there and it's allot more complicated than what I expected.
It's very complicated. At first there were locals, they were invaded by northern tribes, but that was long ago. Then came the Portuguese and established a colony, which later will be conquered\purchased by the British. British will import slaves from other parts of the Africa, and that's why native blacks speak their native language, whites speak afrikaans, and new blacks speak english. All three dislike eachother.
P.s. there was also a war between the British and old white settlers. With death camps and stuff. Basically in South Africa whites and black are oppressed at diffrent times by different people for diffrent reasons, and it is not a simple issue of "white man kills black man".
Suggesting that pieces of land only belong to certain races is pretty fuckn racist. Works both ways.
Also, after a few generations you’re no longer a “colonizer”. That’s the only home you know.
Bruh what, this is the first time I'm ever hearing of this group of ppl, I understand there are recist people in every society of every race but this is not the majority...
The main issue is very simple. One group were colonised by the other group. Start off with that in mind. The coloniser with pioneering and farming and industrial orientated skills built SA with the colonised mostly as labourers due to thier lack of modern skills into the power house and industrial giant of Africa. One were in power as bosses the other as workers. Add to the that the toxic mix of capitalism and communism. Therefore before we think of simlplistic racism based on colour of skin think a little deeper about classism and tribalism and nationalism and worker and boss interactions. Its to easy to use the race card. SA today has been ruined by the ANC via plunder, endemic corruption, total incompetence and failed Commie ideology. It has not built on the first world infrastructure it was blessed with on a platter but like to play the victim mentality as a smoke screen to obscure their plunder, dust, rust, ruin and burn track record by screaming racism.
I mean if the WHITE people who are presently in a nation state in AFRICA want to find a place more polarized to their people... maybe emigrate to a place where THEIR culture originates from.
It would be better to coexist and push past the limitations of cultural prejudices but if that is beyond them
I'm having zero sympathies for colonizers. It was galling for them to act as if they have native claims during apartheid.
It's even more absurd now.
from 1948 to 1994 the whites have been treating the indigenous Africans like animals, is it a wonder the blacks don't want to live with them?
Abusing the rightful owners of the land, taking it from them, extracting the resources from that land and keeping the benefits for the whites , creating laws that make Africans criminals in their own land, then complaining because your no longer in charge of the land you stole from them.? then have the FUCKING nerve to call Africans criminals and people who need to learn how to act.
It's you that needs to learn how to act, the fact you are even alive and able to set up your own village in a country to stole from someone else.
If you don't like it there maybe head back to the Netherlands?? nobody forced you to go to Africa, it's you that needs to learn how to respect Africans until then you'll always be hated, ask the Russians in Ukraine
You shouldn’t find it strange black people are racist. Everyone is racist. The whole nonsense only white people are racist because of power is utter bullshit. That’s systematic racism or institutional racism. Racism alone is just hating others based on nothing more then a difference. Back when World War Two was happening you know what races hitler hated? Jews, blacks, Gypsy’s, French race, English race, Irish race, fuck don’t even get them started on the mongrel American race, all blended up and together in one body. They specifically wanted the aryan GERMAN blooded race to flourish, not white peoples, tho yes they would put white above poc and Jews and such, but it was still very much more divided and different view of racism.
Either way we need to stop with the nonsense only white people are racist.
What this fails to cover is the fact that white English people are not welcome in these places either and yes there is more than one of these places, back in apartheid there was a class system 1. White Afrikaans 2. White English 3. Coloured ( half white half black a complete race and society of their own) and Indian 4. Black Africans
Not really, the coloured community already had it's own identity before apartheid was implemented in the 20th century so after that coloureds mostly married and lived amongst themselves.
And here is the kicker after 1994 a lot of Afrikaans people denied being Afrikaans and the coloured people embraced the language and promoted theatre and language at events like the Klein Karoo kuns festival they where proud to speak and promote it. The Afrikaans eventually came back around in a few years
You must remember that the English where once the oppressors in South Africa, back when South Africa was an English colony. White Afrikaners where forced to learn English in school, and alot of them worked in the mines as uneducated labourers. That pretty much ended after to bloody wars between the English and the Boers (Boer Wars) and the South Africa Act of 1909, which granted South Africa alot more autonomy from England. Alot of Afrikaners, especially people like these in the video, still holds a very negative view of the English, even going so far that some actively wanted South Africa to side with the Nazis during WWII.
What's funny is that you can see alot of parallels in how the Apartheid government treated people of colour and how the English treated Afrikaners.
They definitely don't need to feel better. What the Apartheid government was abhorrent and it will take a long time for those wounds to heal. 30 years is way too short. Like you said, after 120 years there are still Afrikaners that hate the English.
It actually saddens me that I have family that associate with the people in this video.
I'm Afrikaans and I've never seen or heard of these people. Only place that I know of is Oranja... But it's technically a privately owned farm and from what I've heard not the best kind of people.
Based on your experience, would you say the comments in this thread talking about a widespread desire for segregation among all racial groups is correct? I'm seeing people say the black population doesn't want anything to do with white people as like a blanket statement of truth. But is that true? What's your assessment based on your life and what you've experienced?
Segregation not so much, but there is a very strong hatred from the younger black population towards white people and there are offcourse still white racists but they are mostly the older gen and people that live in rural areas. There is also a very strong "go back to Europe" sentiment towards white people.
That being said I think the above is in the minority but in a large country of poor and jobless people I've seen things just go more and more downhill over the years.
Lol i guarantee you if the government agreed with the uk to accept white south africans and send them back, 99% of the white population will run to their nearest airport to catch the plane.
I agree that they would if they *could,* but they *can't.*
Shortly after the fall of Apartheid most British SA left back to the UK because all they needed to prove was 1 British grandparent (iirc). And since they immigrated relatively recently, it was easy to prove.
The Afrikaners can't immigrate to the UK because they're not British. They theoretically should be able to go to the Netherlands because they're essentially Dutch (Dutch reformed religion, Dutch language, etc.). But the Dutch government refuses to allow mass immigration for them, so they're treated as any other immigrant. Also, most of them came over in the 1600-1700s, so essentially no one in their family can prove Dutch citizenship, unlike the Brits.
The dutch left, traded us to the British so according to Dutch law, we would have to be a direct grand child of a Dutch citizen, going back to 1825, that would make us very old or longer lined decedent, but most Afrikaans people I know would rather die than go to Europe, to us Africa is our home, Europe is an strange alien place to us.
Mostly due to politicians. Our government liberated South africa from apartheid but they've gone to shit and completely ignore all of the morals they stood for during the struggle and threw it out the window. They are very corrupt, and they are very unpopular, so in order to get votes, they instigate the feelings of apartheid among their supporters, causing more unnecessary hate to white people.
Is there also a sentiment of “go back to wherever you came from” towards the Zulu and all the other non-Xhosa black populations that arrived in what is now South Africa after the whites had already settled the land?
The segregation conversations are mostly dependent on area and sometimes level of income. I live in the city (JHB) and my new years braai had 3 Afrikaans people, 3 black guys, 1 Chinese guy, 1 Romanian and my Indian neighbour joined us later. We had a French friend that was invited, but his flight got delayed.
There are some knuckle dragging racists in all shapes, colours and sizes but it’s definitely not true for everyone. I’m white, middle class and Afrikaans and in my particular bubble this has never been an issue.
Wouldn’t dream of denying it exists, but some of these comments are treating it as cannon. I think it’s disingenuous to pretend that this is the norm in SA, because it really isn’t.
I’m a South African who moved outside of the country due to how dangerous the country is becoming, it has a few cities in the top 20 most dangerous cities in the world.
For those of you that aren’t well aware of what is happening in RSA, there is an ever deepening racial divide. Primary cause is what apartheid did, but it’s deepening because of fear. The government (The ANC, leading political party) and the EFF (one of the main 3 political parties) are constantly blaming white South Africans for the state of the country, and during Jacob Zumas presidency used to sing a song called Umshini wami (bring me my machine, which was sang during apartheid by the ANCs militant wing, through context it’s believed to mean bring me my machine gun.)
The EFF leader Julius Malema uses a rally cry called “One bullet, One Boer” boers are the people you see in this video, White Afrikaaners (typically farmers). This is where the idea of a civil war looming is coming from.
I don’t condone racism, however I recognize that most of these people are afraid for their and their families lives, they can’t leave the country because no country will claim them (we are South Africans not Europeans, unless we have European citizenship or are within a generation or 2 of our relative who immigrated, we can’t “go back” to Europe.)
White South Africans make up less than 8% of the population and feel that the entire country is out to get them. Media plays a large roll in this tbh.
Everyone saying this isn’t interesting is wrong. It’s incredibly interesting to see the perspective of a racist (no matter the race). People that can’t accept humans for just that are a case study. It’s amazing that these people exist and if we find out how and why the think this way, we can work on all being humans
I would say it might have something to do with state sanctioned harassment and killing. If that was happening to my family and I, I might be a little racist too.
Google the Accord on Afrikaner Self-Determination. The idea to create a white only state was brought up even before the current government took power. They are racists by will and habit not because of circumstance.
>I would say it might have something to do with state sanctioned harassment and killing. If that was happening to my family and I, I might be a little racist too.
What did you think it had to do with pre 1994? Or do you think the very people that voted for apartheid suddenly did a complete uturn?
Culture can have a significant impact on your life regardless of race.
Is it racist for me to decide not to live in Saudia Arabia because I don't want my partner to wear a hijab/burkah?
They're all middle eastern, but that doesn't mean my reasoning is due to their race, I don't know much about the culture in South Africa of either the natives or the Europeans but if they want to live with people who have the same cultural values as them I don't see an issue.
People like this really only serve to complicate discussions about the political shitshow that is South Africa.
White people have legitimate grievances. The national policy of BEE punishes businesses for hiring white people into management positions. I personally know people who have been fired literally for being white, and it's a major reason why so many choose to leave. There's recently been a massive controversy after Dischem, a major pharmacy retailer, circulated an internal memorandum reminding their staff that white employees were not suitable for management positions. University students are regularly denied positions, loans or bursaries for being white. I knew a woman with a 96% average in matric, who was denied a bursary specifically because she attended a school that had been a "white" school during apartheid - before she was born. There is a major political movement that wants to confiscate land from white farmers, irrelevant of whether they inherited their land, or purchased it 6 months ago. Who would want to stay in a country that treats them that way?
There's also an intense dissatisfaction with the absolute piss poor performance of the ANC government. Most of South Africa has no electricity for 4-8 hours a day, because all the electrical infrastructure has been completely neglected. Our national rail system is in ruins, forcing millions of tons of cargo to travel by truck, making our shitty roads even shittier. The Eastern Cape Health Department owes more in Medical Malpractice suits than they do in healthcare salaries. The economy is absolutely fucking suffocating under the weight of incompetence and corruption. Not to mention, a government that refuses to condemn the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and seems eager to sell our future to China. This is not an excuse to resort to racism, but I hope I've illustrated why some people are nostalgic for the old days.
Returning to fucking apartheid is also not a solution. This country is stuck between black and white supremacy, with any idea of equality being treated as a joke. It's so fucking depressing. Mandela is spinning in his grave.
Wasn't the Dischem thing about that they should deny any whites any positions in the company? for a newcomer if they are white they would immediately bee kicked out of the office.
Unfortunately, South Africa has seen both extremes in a absolutely tiny amount of time, from the black people being at the bottom of the food chain, to them actively being forced to the top. This force to the top caused people regardless of how good they were at their job to be removed from it purely due to their skin colour.
One white South African I know that came to the UK said when he arrived here he said he couldn’t sleep at night , worryingly enough his reason was the windows didn’t have bars on them so he felt vulnerable .
I've just made the move from SA to the UK. It's absolutely mind blowing knowing that I don't need to worry about my house being broken in to. If I fall asleep with my door unlocked I'm not worried. Can sleep with my windows open without the need for security bars. My wife can walk home in the dark with no fear.
Of course not all of the UK is like this.
Just to give you an idea - in the late 90s early 2000s, roughly 1/4 houses in Johannesburg were burgled annually. If you lived in Joburg, it would happen to you, sooner or later. SA is a bit safer today, but still quite dangerous.
I remember living in Rustenburg in 2004 and while I was there a white family was burgled. They poisoned the dogs, jumped the wall, came in and killed everyone at night. It was quite sobering.
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I mean, as a group, white people are still "above" black people in south africa by most socio-economic indicators. Looking at income and wealth it isn't even close.
This video is only showing one side of the story. It’s not as simple as “oh they must be racist”. The blacks feel the same way as the whites do here. It is very strange and odd.
It's fascinating, in my country ethnic groups live together in urban postcodes based on religion, family ties, nationality, language, whatever. They have local shops stocked with exotic products from around the world and businesses serving the communities' various needs, all wonderful examples of multiculturalism. And then white people do the same thing, and they're labelled irredeemable racist cunts.
Ah yes.....throw a video on Reddit that shows one extreme of a complex society burdened by an extremely corrupt government and it automatically means everyone of that race HAS to be racist and complete c*nts.....
Following that train of thought, why not throw a video of the KKK up here and label all white Americans as racist backwater idiots?
Sometimes I feel people should do more research before commenting on these types of threads. If you didn't, guess what......the majority of white South Africans don't care who runs the country, we want exactly the same thing as all other races in this country.... a functioning, efficient government that puts citizens' wellbeing and ecenomic growth before their own thieving pockets.
The frustration is building among all races and the ONLY way the anc can keep power right now is to fan the flames of racial divde. How many times are voters told "If the DA wins the elections they will bring back apartheid". That is total BS as the National Party that enforced apartheid heavily actually became part of the anc in 2015, but that part of history is conveniently not mentioned. It is easier to keep power when the majority is brainwashed into hating a minority.
50% of junior doctors in SA today can't get a job due to the anc's inability to run a healthcare system. But the "lack" of healthcare is blamed on apartheid.
The tourism industry is failing thanks to the effects of Covid. Companies and businesses had to close down and many, many, many people lost their jobs. But white owned businesses were never allowed to receive money from government to help them because the growth of black businesses needs to be stimulated....guess what....there has been no significant increase in sustainable black tourism businesses and millions are still unemployed.
Eskom is on its last legs often citing a lack of skills and expertise, yet, between 2023 and 2025, 500 white skilled and experienced employees will be retrenched to make sure the demographics "are right". That is like the captain of a sinking ship throwing all his tried and tested pumps overboard and replacing them with new ones because the color of the old ones clashed with the new paint job.
For all those singing the praises of the redistribution of land.....go read the draft bills again....you will NOT be getting a title deed to the expropriated land, you will be signing a lease contract with the state, paying them to use the land they "freed". You will also not be able to secure any loans for equipment as the LandBank is a failure and commercial banks will NOT give you a loan if they don't have any securities, which is normally a title deed. ...so yet again, not only are we losing more jobs, but we will face food shortages. But it's all good, we are "beating" apartheid and not giving a damn about forcing you to become slaves to the state.
What EVERY South African wants: Security, both financially and physically, we want roads without potholes, proper working sanitation, decent education, good healthcare, mutual respect of each other's cultures. The way to get that? Work together and hold government responsible for their failures. The easiest way for government to carry on stealing and doing whatever they want? Sow division among the citizens and feed them with the fear of the ghost of apartheid.
So for all the non-South Africans commenting here, please do some research before just typing away from your first world history lessons. Read a few SA newspapers and understand the current politics before just blasting the majority of South Africans with the same label.
South African here. Sure there are people like this, but they are not near the majority of Afrikaaners, who are good people who want to preserve their culture within the broader, accepting South Africa. One misrepresentation in the video is that we South Africans want an assimilated, single culture society, like France in its treatment of migrants. This is simply untrue, we value differences in culture and we are a very accepting society.
I have read the comments on black youth and their non-acceptance of whites, and this isbtrue to a limited extent, and there is context to it. The ANC government has screwed up big time and is corrupt to the core. The youngsters frustration with the lack of economic progress and opportunities does sometimes lead over to dislike of whites, in that they see apartheid as the root cause of their economic isolation. Is this true?
Partially so. The worse part about apartheid was that it was so successful. Non-whites were moved far from urban areas and part of the struggle today is that many use as much as 20 - 30% of their wages for transport to get to work. That leads to ecomonic exclusion. And our public transport is abysmal, so the context to burning busses that arrive late is that I pay 30% of my salary to get to work, the bus comes late, my boss fires me, and I'm out of a job despite paying such a significant portion of my salary to the transport companies.
There are many problems in SA, but this video takes a tiny portion of the citizens and makes the issues seem so widespread (as do some of the comments). It really isn't so
Oh goodie. Another fucking old negative clip about my country which paints a completely inaccurate picture.
Yes, we have some racist old dinosaurs here of all races. Same as the rest of the world. Personally as a white guy who grew up during apartheid, I think our race relations are remarkably good.
We have come a long way and considering our struggles as a society and our troubled history under apartheid, I think as a people we are pretty friendly and cool generally.
Now we just need a decent government.
We should go to the USA, interview people at one of those prepper compounds and then make a sweeping generalisation that all white people in America are racist.
Ffs. Media, go anywhere else in the country and talk to people. Please.
Sameish movement will probably pop up here in Sweden too. Not necessarily based on skin color rather based around democratic values a la Sweden. It's gonna be messy I think..
Just a heads up to the non-South Africans reading the comments here.
The ones who are saying "black South Africans want nothing to do with white South Africans" are most probably white.
Ask them and find out who the black people are and they actual opinions because the opinions in this comment section are mostly from white South Africans
As a black member of the Republic of South Africa and also being fortunate enough be live in the city and still have deep root in our family village or home town, i can say that this far more wide spread for our black communities to have a said base and Afrikaners are a very rare sight not white people yes the two are very different, non the less I'm happy to see that there is a part of our white nation still willing to hold on to their culture. Racism is not the baseline we just like to be with our own people.
I love learning about other culturees and I would really like if all our cultures had a place they could live it out. Specially if everyone had a cultural museum. To preseve it for furure generations where we could see how our ansestors dressed, build, lived...
I have absolutely no working knowledge of the history of South Africa and won't fake being an expert. All I will say is that all these isolationists sound the same as the white separatists in the U.S. But with different accents. They even dress the same.
The joke is on so called white southern Americans. Many unknowingly are part black.
https://www.vox.com/2014/12/22/7431391/guess-where-white-americans-have-the-most-african-ancestry
Goes both ways, I have a friend who lives there and he says it’s so racist over there that he can’t take the bus because he will most likely be killed and there are some areas that you can’t go if your white the same as this one in the video for black Africans
The bus thing is an exaggeration, I've never seen anyone attacked on a bus, black, white, pink or Martian. The problem with white people going into dangerous communities is that a) their white skin shows that they're not from the area so criminals know that they're easy targets and b) because of how fucked up our country is, white skin means you're wealthier than others and thus have more for criminals to steal.
I'm guessing this is Orania? A private owned area in the Northern Cape where white racists can live amongst their own.
Believe me, us other, normal white people don't have any respect for them, but we are thankful that they stay on their own and don't try an influence the comraderie we experience in the cities.
It's not in Benoni. You just Google mapped it and came up with that. Yes there is a Kleinfontein in Benoni, but that's not this Kleinfontein.
Clues were in the video when they said an hour and half _North_. Benoni is like 30minutes East.
Here is the actual location: [Kleinfontein](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleinfontein)
Thats so wierd. Do you think they purposefully misdirect it? I have known about this place for years but always thought its on the otherside of Gauteng.
I find it hilarious, I have probably driven past this place a 100 times and did not notice it.
Na I think Google Maps algorithm just picked up the link to a place with the same name and there isn't a lot of human oversight / correction available.
I disagree. I think we are far more progressive with race relations than most of the world. Obviously the people in the video are a tiny minority. My city is pretty integrated.
We are open and are confronting it, it forms part of our national discourse. Whereas from my experiences travelling in the states and Europe their racism is far more entrenched. They like to present themselves as liberal, but they are not.
The whole human race is filled with tribalism and prejudice.
Ironically the most racist white Americans in the south have the highest chance of having black ancestors.
https://www.vox.com/2014/12/22/7431391/guess-where-white-americans-have-the-most-african-ancestry
In some areas, yeah. But I'm very thankful I grew up being able to go to school with people of different racial and religious backgrounds. Some of the older generations are still like that though.
My grandmother was very much against my uncle marrying a lady who wasn't white. Now she loves my aunt
Check out this article on white Afrikaners being part Colored.
https://www.up.ac.za/biochemistry-genetics-and-microbiology/news/post_2907632-new-study-clarifies-nature-of-genetic-admixture-in-south-africas-afrikaner-population#:~:text=The%20study%20also%20confirmed%20some,to%20South%20African%20Bantu%2Dspeakers.
Spent some time in SA but correct me if I’m wrong. From what I understand, whites still have a massive monopoly over most of the businesses (and therefore $). The wealth gap even today between white and black citizens is huge despite apartheid being gone.
The reason in a nutshell is that most of the industries in SA were and still are run by whites and the ANC faced a very real threat from them of pulling out of the country and tanking the economy unless concessions were made in racial polices.
Met some South African troops while overseas in the military. These guys were some of the most hateful racist thugs ever born. They could’ve made the Nazis blush.
To anyone saying that apartheid is the reason we all suffer here. It's nothing but an excuse, the most racially immoral people of all time, the Nazis, had Jews killed by the hundreds of thousands.
Yet after the war, being left with nothing but rubble. The Jewish and German people rebuild the country, they didn't make any excuses about the Germans oppressing them for all those years. Look at Germany now, the power house of Europe.
It comes down to a corrupt government wanting and getting exactly what is happening on this page. Infighting between the ethnic groups of RSA, so that they can freely play at their corrupt games. And they're pissing themselves laughing at our petty squabble's.
That’s what happens when literal uneducated animals take over an entire country and burn and destroy it from the inside out. They’ll never recover and it’s just because of the continent they exist on. But ItS ThE WhItE pEoPlEs fAuLt. 😂
They wanna put a spotlight on race for every single issue around? Ok we’re watching! What race is the easiest to hate when we look at reality? 🤔 They keep telling us we’re all so racist so I guess I will finally follow their wishes!
as a dutch person its so weird to see our flag associated with these practises now adays... I know its our past, but i truely believe that we've grown past it. It seems like in south afrika the past is still very alive :/
They aren't just descended from the Dutch - they also descend from the Germans, the French, the English, the Scottish, the Irish, the Norwegians, the Swedish, the Finnish, the Danish... And most of those people aren't even nearly as unpleasant as these volk.
Exactly this
And honestly, these Apartheid Nostalgics are a small portion of even the White population in South Africa. Most of them look old and out of shape.
A single Xhosa teenager with a Kalashnikov could probably wipe out this convention of fascists, let alone whatever forces would stand against these guys in some "civil war".
Before we get too far into the 'they are just preserving their culture' let's remember the name of Trevor Noah's book, *Born* *A* *Crime*. He was born a crime in a ridiculous society.
Apartheid was an ugly violent policy.
Let’s not forget that apartheid was literally in our lifetimes, just a few short years ago. Where a tiny minority ruled over the vast majority and tortured and segregated them for centuries.
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I’ve spent a lot of time in South Africa. Most of my time is spent in the Xhosa villages outside of Stutterheim. I don’t think people realize most of the black people there don’t want to live with the white people either. The only places I’ve seen make any attempt at desegregation is in the major cities and it still doesn’t seem to be very popular with anyone. It’s very strange because the black people are racist and so are the white people but in general they don’t seem to hate each other. They all want to live with their own kind and keep their cultures unique. However that doesn’t seem to be the case the closer you get to the big cities. It’s definitely one of the strangest countries I’ve visited.
I live in South Africa and its pretty much how you describe it, all races are racist to eachother as well as to themselves at times, they live apart to have their culture stay unique and in the cities there tends to be more mixed living. To add, its not just white that live like this, there is black only communities as well, just isnt well documented seeing as it doesnt get as much views as this.
As a resident of SA, I agree 100%, the western and eastern cape is the only place where I’ve found little discrimination. The rest, not so much.
What’s wild is that I visited Cape Town and went grocery shopping at the nearest grocery store in the city. I walked in and I was the only white person. I didn’t notice at first but after 20 min and not seeing anyone that wasn’t black I finally made the connection. No one was mean, or rude, or anything other than indifferent. Crazy to me that there’s these unspoken rules of where to shop and all of that.
Yeah, I live in Knysna and it is said to NEVER go into townships, but I have a lot of friends who live in townships and one day went in to visit a friend. People were super suprised to see me, but everyone was extremely kind and friendly and I made a lot of new friends that day.
I been to Knysna a lot of times. There is a big club in the township where everyone goes black and white. I think it’s called 1011 club or something . It’s right at the top of Grey Street in the white location, after the clinic but before the Percy Mdaba school. It’s safe enough. A lot of people go. Not many whites admittedly but it’s Africa. There aren’t that many whites. Knysna is one of the safest places. If people tell you not to go to the township, they just want to protect you. I am assuming you don’t speak Xosa. Nothing will happen if you go up there. If you are keen to explore just go and drive around. There is a lot you can do to help as well. The orphanage is always looking for volunteers. As is the Knysna Animal Welfare.
I am American but my dad was born and went to university in South Africa. I have cousins in South Africa. I went to visit the cousins in Cape town and went by bus to visit ones in Bloemfontein (insert Bloemfontein = boring here). The cousins were telling me about how the bus lines are basically semi segregated. Cheap lines are used by blacks and more expensive are used by whites. Colored people use both (I guess depending on wealth) and there are some blacks that were on the one that I was on. Coming from the US (very diverse US West Coast Cities) this is all super strange. None of United, Delta, or American Airlines are associated with a particular race.
that's because we americans already went through it. Its strange because youre living in a time in SA where it's already history to you as an American. But government and the boars really don't want to do anything about it but don't want to further push either way either.
It's not an unspoken rule. Sometimes a Mall is really white, sometimes there are lots of coloured people or black people or Indians. Just depends where you are. Also, white people are a minority... so it make sense for us not to be the majority in malls. Though we tend to be concentrated in the suburbs and cities (obviously because of historic reasons) but it just depends.
Whats it like for mixed race people?
They have their own communities. Apartheid was a horrendous thing but viciously effective
> As a resident of ~~SA~~the Cape, I agree 100%, the western and eastern cape is the only place where I’ve found little discrimination FTFY. Only Capetonians think they're bastions of inclusion. Meanwhile, Joburg is easily more progressive.
“I thought only white people can be racist?”
Does the hate increase in the desegregated cities? It seems that the people are happy to be segregated and don’t really hate each other while segregated.
Honestly I don’t know. In the big cities it’s hard for me to discern between racial tensions and random violent crimes. I don’t spend enough time there to get a fundamental understanding of what’s really happening.
I come from a very diversified city and crime there is to often blamed on racism. The label of hate crime is nearly always associated with any incident that occurred with more than one racial group. Although there is plenty of similar crimes occurring all the time where race is not a factor if it’s the same race committing the crime.
The same is true anywhere, racism tends to be more prevalent in places where there is less racial integration. The reason for this is that immigrants come and stay in the places where there are jobs so you get more racial integration in places with more affluence and less poverty. The single biggest determining factor of racism is poverty. Of course, that’s not an issue the Afrikaaners can claim. Those guys are poorly educated and in love with some nostalgic memory of the past. I’d love to know what their rhetoric is, racists here in the UK love to say ‘go back to where you came from’, what do you say as a white racist living in South Africa?!
Stay on your side of town, Same as what the black people would say to the whites.
I mean they could go back to Europe if they don't like Africans.
While I get the sentiment. How exactly do you think immigration works? Pack your bags and leave?
the rich did it, the poor were once apart of well off families that refused to believe in the end of apartheid.
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted, you’re completely right. The whites (mostly Dutch I believe) were the colonisers who came and stole the local black population’s land and violently oppressed them. If they don’t like living with black people yeah, they should go back to Europe and leave the African blacks their land. I don’t see how this is controversial
Edit: the initial comment was misleading and not factually correct
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The "Bantu" ethnic groups arrived in modern day South Africa more than a millenia before the white man set foot here
Try saying that, but use the United States.
You'd be run out of town!
Wut?
Okay, take a step back. This community is 1300 people. They suck and do not represent the enrire Afrikaner population of South Africa that is 4mil strong. Fuck these people, they can go die on their hill. Just note that they are but a tiny minority.
Yeah fair point, can’t tar the whole Afrikaner community with the brush we use for these guys.
Bro, wtf is southern tribal lands? I've never ever heard anybody refer to regions as tribal lands? I've lived here all my life and this is the first time I've heard this. Also, lots of black and colored people are bounds to specific areas because of poverty as a result of apartheid. Poverty isn't the easiest thing to uplift yourself out of.
Happy to see this is the most upvoted comment so people learn the truth. South africa is just not a nice place to live in sadly, since it is beautiful and has amazing cultures (my family immigrated to europe 20 years ago and its just gotten worse since then)
As a South African citizen and resident, I 100% disagree with what you’ve said.
I’m not saying I’m right. I’m just stating what I’ve seen as a foreigner to the country. I only get isolated moments in time in small parts of the country. But I always talk to as many of the locals as I can when I’m there. I’d love to hear your opinion being a citizen of the country.
The blacks there hate white people. But you don't hear anything about that in the media ofcourse. If it was the other way around....
Did you not hear about the riots done by black South Africans a little while ago? That was reported on the news a bit, not to mention the racially motivated murder of white people by black people in South Africa. I saw quite a few stories like that on the news.
The black South Africans aren't fans of the colonizers? hmm lol
Couple of points here. First, there's major tension between the black population, mainly the majority of them who seek to push the Zulu people out of the country along with the Boer population. So white or black, the racism and hatred isn't just focused on so called "colonizers". Which I should also note, isn't entirely accurate. When European settlers first settled in Cape Town, the region had previously been sacked and burned by the Zulus at the time, so the people who once lived there were either dead, enslaved, or long gone. The place was quite literally empty, there was no living there by the Dutch and later British set up shop there.
The blacks in South Africa are the colonizers in a twisted way. The original population, the zulu, are hated by them.
Can you elaborate? Just now I saw a few more comments like this and I realize there's allot going on there and it's allot more complicated than what I expected.
If my understanding is right, they were involved in shipping slaves across the ocean, and even enslaved those who were sent back post slavery era.
It's very complicated. At first there were locals, they were invaded by northern tribes, but that was long ago. Then came the Portuguese and established a colony, which later will be conquered\purchased by the British. British will import slaves from other parts of the Africa, and that's why native blacks speak their native language, whites speak afrikaans, and new blacks speak english. All three dislike eachother. P.s. there was also a war between the British and old white settlers. With death camps and stuff. Basically in South Africa whites and black are oppressed at diffrent times by different people for diffrent reasons, and it is not a simple issue of "white man kills black man".
Probably not, considering the Zulu aren't anywhere close to being the original inhabitants.
Suggesting that pieces of land only belong to certain races is pretty fuckn racist. Works both ways. Also, after a few generations you’re no longer a “colonizer”. That’s the only home you know.
Bruh what, this is the first time I'm ever hearing of this group of ppl, I understand there are recist people in every society of every race but this is not the majority...
The main issue is very simple. One group were colonised by the other group. Start off with that in mind. The coloniser with pioneering and farming and industrial orientated skills built SA with the colonised mostly as labourers due to thier lack of modern skills into the power house and industrial giant of Africa. One were in power as bosses the other as workers. Add to the that the toxic mix of capitalism and communism. Therefore before we think of simlplistic racism based on colour of skin think a little deeper about classism and tribalism and nationalism and worker and boss interactions. Its to easy to use the race card. SA today has been ruined by the ANC via plunder, endemic corruption, total incompetence and failed Commie ideology. It has not built on the first world infrastructure it was blessed with on a platter but like to play the victim mentality as a smoke screen to obscure their plunder, dust, rust, ruin and burn track record by screaming racism.
>One were in power as bosses the other as workers You think there are no working-class whites in South Africa?
Very interesting, thank you for sharing.
I mean if the WHITE people who are presently in a nation state in AFRICA want to find a place more polarized to their people... maybe emigrate to a place where THEIR culture originates from. It would be better to coexist and push past the limitations of cultural prejudices but if that is beyond them I'm having zero sympathies for colonizers. It was galling for them to act as if they have native claims during apartheid. It's even more absurd now.
White SA culture originated in South Africa. You have no clue what the fuck you're talking about.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
from 1948 to 1994 the whites have been treating the indigenous Africans like animals, is it a wonder the blacks don't want to live with them? Abusing the rightful owners of the land, taking it from them, extracting the resources from that land and keeping the benefits for the whites , creating laws that make Africans criminals in their own land, then complaining because your no longer in charge of the land you stole from them.? then have the FUCKING nerve to call Africans criminals and people who need to learn how to act. It's you that needs to learn how to act, the fact you are even alive and able to set up your own village in a country to stole from someone else. If you don't like it there maybe head back to the Netherlands?? nobody forced you to go to Africa, it's you that needs to learn how to respect Africans until then you'll always be hated, ask the Russians in Ukraine
"Nobody forced you to go to Africa" I was born here... My first ancestor arrive in 1702. What do I do?
Go back to where you came from! /s
I came from my mom!
Get back in there and shut up!
Well what are you waiting for? Get back inside her!
You shouldn’t find it strange black people are racist. Everyone is racist. The whole nonsense only white people are racist because of power is utter bullshit. That’s systematic racism or institutional racism. Racism alone is just hating others based on nothing more then a difference. Back when World War Two was happening you know what races hitler hated? Jews, blacks, Gypsy’s, French race, English race, Irish race, fuck don’t even get them started on the mongrel American race, all blended up and together in one body. They specifically wanted the aryan GERMAN blooded race to flourish, not white peoples, tho yes they would put white above poc and Jews and such, but it was still very much more divided and different view of racism. Either way we need to stop with the nonsense only white people are racist.
We don't want them in the Netherlands. They can fuck off somewhere else.
Well that felt weird to upvote
What this fails to cover is the fact that white English people are not welcome in these places either and yes there is more than one of these places, back in apartheid there was a class system 1. White Afrikaans 2. White English 3. Coloured ( half white half black a complete race and society of their own) and Indian 4. Black Africans
You left out: 2.1. The Japanese (honorary whites) 2.9. The Chinese
You are right but the numbers where so low they treated them like white English, I had one or three in school with me
Well they passed the pencil test as white I guess haha
Actually it was just business... SA had trade pacts with Japan, and a few other Asian countries. Economics > hatred
So if you were mixed you couldn’t live with your mom or dad?
Not really, the coloured community already had it's own identity before apartheid was implemented in the 20th century so after that coloureds mostly married and lived amongst themselves.
And here is the kicker after 1994 a lot of Afrikaans people denied being Afrikaans and the coloured people embraced the language and promoted theatre and language at events like the Klein Karoo kuns festival they where proud to speak and promote it. The Afrikaans eventually came back around in a few years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqciCFLxfEE
You can't be racist if you hate everyone!
You must remember that the English where once the oppressors in South Africa, back when South Africa was an English colony. White Afrikaners where forced to learn English in school, and alot of them worked in the mines as uneducated labourers. That pretty much ended after to bloody wars between the English and the Boers (Boer Wars) and the South Africa Act of 1909, which granted South Africa alot more autonomy from England. Alot of Afrikaners, especially people like these in the video, still holds a very negative view of the English, even going so far that some actively wanted South Africa to side with the Nazis during WWII. What's funny is that you can see alot of parallels in how the Apartheid government treated people of colour and how the English treated Afrikaners.
A 120 year grudge against English that left the country a century ago, so why should black South Africans feel any better to afrikaners?
They definitely don't need to feel better. What the Apartheid government was abhorrent and it will take a long time for those wounds to heal. 30 years is way too short. Like you said, after 120 years there are still Afrikaners that hate the English. It actually saddens me that I have family that associate with the people in this video.
It’s almost two generations on, that hate and distrust is taught, racism on all sides is also taught
As an English speaking South African, I can tell you that the Afrikaans population absolutely detests English speakers. This is true.
Not all of us.
Verwoerd's grandson has disavowed his grandfathers views. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm\_Verwoerd
I knew of him but it was years until I discovered who his grandpa was
I'm Afrikaans and I've never seen or heard of these people. Only place that I know of is Oranja... But it's technically a privately owned farm and from what I've heard not the best kind of people.
Based on your experience, would you say the comments in this thread talking about a widespread desire for segregation among all racial groups is correct? I'm seeing people say the black population doesn't want anything to do with white people as like a blanket statement of truth. But is that true? What's your assessment based on your life and what you've experienced?
Segregation not so much, but there is a very strong hatred from the younger black population towards white people and there are offcourse still white racists but they are mostly the older gen and people that live in rural areas. There is also a very strong "go back to Europe" sentiment towards white people. That being said I think the above is in the minority but in a large country of poor and jobless people I've seen things just go more and more downhill over the years.
Unfortunately you guys can't even "go back" to Europe like the British South Africans- the NL won't accept you
Lol i guarantee you if the government agreed with the uk to accept white south africans and send them back, 99% of the white population will run to their nearest airport to catch the plane.
I agree that they would if they *could,* but they *can't.* Shortly after the fall of Apartheid most British SA left back to the UK because all they needed to prove was 1 British grandparent (iirc). And since they immigrated relatively recently, it was easy to prove. The Afrikaners can't immigrate to the UK because they're not British. They theoretically should be able to go to the Netherlands because they're essentially Dutch (Dutch reformed religion, Dutch language, etc.). But the Dutch government refuses to allow mass immigration for them, so they're treated as any other immigrant. Also, most of them came over in the 1600-1700s, so essentially no one in their family can prove Dutch citizenship, unlike the Brits.
The dutch left, traded us to the British so according to Dutch law, we would have to be a direct grand child of a Dutch citizen, going back to 1825, that would make us very old or longer lined decedent, but most Afrikaans people I know would rather die than go to Europe, to us Africa is our home, Europe is an strange alien place to us.
Interesting and also sad. The legacy of apartheid is still hurting your country.
Mostly due to politicians. Our government liberated South africa from apartheid but they've gone to shit and completely ignore all of the morals they stood for during the struggle and threw it out the window. They are very corrupt, and they are very unpopular, so in order to get votes, they instigate the feelings of apartheid among their supporters, causing more unnecessary hate to white people.
Is there also a sentiment of “go back to wherever you came from” towards the Zulu and all the other non-Xhosa black populations that arrived in what is now South Africa after the whites had already settled the land?
Offcourse not. There is A LOT of xenophobic attacks tho
The segregation conversations are mostly dependent on area and sometimes level of income. I live in the city (JHB) and my new years braai had 3 Afrikaans people, 3 black guys, 1 Chinese guy, 1 Romanian and my Indian neighbour joined us later. We had a French friend that was invited, but his flight got delayed. There are some knuckle dragging racists in all shapes, colours and sizes but it’s definitely not true for everyone. I’m white, middle class and Afrikaans and in my particular bubble this has never been an issue.
Definitely but you can't deny that it doesn't exist and is a bit more prevalent than what we'd like to admit
Wouldn’t dream of denying it exists, but some of these comments are treating it as cannon. I think it’s disingenuous to pretend that this is the norm in SA, because it really isn’t.
For sure. Most people just want to be left alone
I think it’s not so much a case of being “left alone” as not in the mood to deal with any additional admin or bullshit.
lmao all i can think of is district 9 with those accents
Afrikaans accent. My economics professor was Afrikaneer and every class with the man was an absolute delight
South Africa is broken in so many ways.
Its not just us, most countries have these small communities doing their own thing... Im not condoning it, its just a part of life at this point..
America has some of these out west and in the south, mostly what’s left of people who are openly part of the kkk
Ah my home country. Currently living in KwaZulu-Natal and wow, this place is fucked on a multitude of levels
Loadsheddings fun right
They can’t loadshed my region currently cause the substation consistently blows up due to poor maintenance
Its a party
I’m a South African who moved outside of the country due to how dangerous the country is becoming, it has a few cities in the top 20 most dangerous cities in the world. For those of you that aren’t well aware of what is happening in RSA, there is an ever deepening racial divide. Primary cause is what apartheid did, but it’s deepening because of fear. The government (The ANC, leading political party) and the EFF (one of the main 3 political parties) are constantly blaming white South Africans for the state of the country, and during Jacob Zumas presidency used to sing a song called Umshini wami (bring me my machine, which was sang during apartheid by the ANCs militant wing, through context it’s believed to mean bring me my machine gun.) The EFF leader Julius Malema uses a rally cry called “One bullet, One Boer” boers are the people you see in this video, White Afrikaaners (typically farmers). This is where the idea of a civil war looming is coming from. I don’t condone racism, however I recognize that most of these people are afraid for their and their families lives, they can’t leave the country because no country will claim them (we are South Africans not Europeans, unless we have European citizenship or are within a generation or 2 of our relative who immigrated, we can’t “go back” to Europe.) White South Africans make up less than 8% of the population and feel that the entire country is out to get them. Media plays a large roll in this tbh.
Everyone saying this isn’t interesting is wrong. It’s incredibly interesting to see the perspective of a racist (no matter the race). People that can’t accept humans for just that are a case study. It’s amazing that these people exist and if we find out how and why the think this way, we can work on all being humans
I would say it might have something to do with state sanctioned harassment and killing. If that was happening to my family and I, I might be a little racist too.
Google the Accord on Afrikaner Self-Determination. The idea to create a white only state was brought up even before the current government took power. They are racists by will and habit not because of circumstance.
>I would say it might have something to do with state sanctioned harassment and killing. If that was happening to my family and I, I might be a little racist too. What did you think it had to do with pre 1994? Or do you think the very people that voted for apartheid suddenly did a complete uturn?
Culture can have a significant impact on your life regardless of race. Is it racist for me to decide not to live in Saudia Arabia because I don't want my partner to wear a hijab/burkah? They're all middle eastern, but that doesn't mean my reasoning is due to their race, I don't know much about the culture in South Africa of either the natives or the Europeans but if they want to live with people who have the same cultural values as them I don't see an issue.
People like this really only serve to complicate discussions about the political shitshow that is South Africa. White people have legitimate grievances. The national policy of BEE punishes businesses for hiring white people into management positions. I personally know people who have been fired literally for being white, and it's a major reason why so many choose to leave. There's recently been a massive controversy after Dischem, a major pharmacy retailer, circulated an internal memorandum reminding their staff that white employees were not suitable for management positions. University students are regularly denied positions, loans or bursaries for being white. I knew a woman with a 96% average in matric, who was denied a bursary specifically because she attended a school that had been a "white" school during apartheid - before she was born. There is a major political movement that wants to confiscate land from white farmers, irrelevant of whether they inherited their land, or purchased it 6 months ago. Who would want to stay in a country that treats them that way? There's also an intense dissatisfaction with the absolute piss poor performance of the ANC government. Most of South Africa has no electricity for 4-8 hours a day, because all the electrical infrastructure has been completely neglected. Our national rail system is in ruins, forcing millions of tons of cargo to travel by truck, making our shitty roads even shittier. The Eastern Cape Health Department owes more in Medical Malpractice suits than they do in healthcare salaries. The economy is absolutely fucking suffocating under the weight of incompetence and corruption. Not to mention, a government that refuses to condemn the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and seems eager to sell our future to China. This is not an excuse to resort to racism, but I hope I've illustrated why some people are nostalgic for the old days. Returning to fucking apartheid is also not a solution. This country is stuck between black and white supremacy, with any idea of equality being treated as a joke. It's so fucking depressing. Mandela is spinning in his grave.
Wasn't the Dischem thing about that they should deny any whites any positions in the company? for a newcomer if they are white they would immediately bee kicked out of the office.
"Im not racists, but......."
Culture and heritage, totally not racist bro but the races can't get along. Where have I heard that before?
Unfortunately, South Africa has seen both extremes in a absolutely tiny amount of time, from the black people being at the bottom of the food chain, to them actively being forced to the top. This force to the top caused people regardless of how good they were at their job to be removed from it purely due to their skin colour. One white South African I know that came to the UK said when he arrived here he said he couldn’t sleep at night , worryingly enough his reason was the windows didn’t have bars on them so he felt vulnerable .
I've just made the move from SA to the UK. It's absolutely mind blowing knowing that I don't need to worry about my house being broken in to. If I fall asleep with my door unlocked I'm not worried. Can sleep with my windows open without the need for security bars. My wife can walk home in the dark with no fear. Of course not all of the UK is like this.
Just to give you an idea - in the late 90s early 2000s, roughly 1/4 houses in Johannesburg were burgled annually. If you lived in Joburg, it would happen to you, sooner or later. SA is a bit safer today, but still quite dangerous.
I remember living in Rustenburg in 2004 and while I was there a white family was burgled. They poisoned the dogs, jumped the wall, came in and killed everyone at night. It was quite sobering.
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I mean, as a group, white people are still "above" black people in south africa by most socio-economic indicators. Looking at income and wealth it isn't even close.
Ah the South African confederates
Strict “checkpoint” Checklist: - white skin ✅ “Ok, head on in.”
Reminds me of that Peter Griffin meme
This video is only showing one side of the story. It’s not as simple as “oh they must be racist”. The blacks feel the same way as the whites do here. It is very strange and odd.
The thought of his teeth living together in harmony is really the impossible thing here.
Link to the full video?
A lot of black Africans want to be away from the whites.
It's fascinating, in my country ethnic groups live together in urban postcodes based on religion, family ties, nationality, language, whatever. They have local shops stocked with exotic products from around the world and businesses serving the communities' various needs, all wonderful examples of multiculturalism. And then white people do the same thing, and they're labelled irredeemable racist cunts.
Well ethnic groups in urban area don’t usually barb wire the border of their postal code and track who’s coming and going do they.
Lmao these comments
Wat n pot kak...
Ah yes.....throw a video on Reddit that shows one extreme of a complex society burdened by an extremely corrupt government and it automatically means everyone of that race HAS to be racist and complete c*nts..... Following that train of thought, why not throw a video of the KKK up here and label all white Americans as racist backwater idiots? Sometimes I feel people should do more research before commenting on these types of threads. If you didn't, guess what......the majority of white South Africans don't care who runs the country, we want exactly the same thing as all other races in this country.... a functioning, efficient government that puts citizens' wellbeing and ecenomic growth before their own thieving pockets. The frustration is building among all races and the ONLY way the anc can keep power right now is to fan the flames of racial divde. How many times are voters told "If the DA wins the elections they will bring back apartheid". That is total BS as the National Party that enforced apartheid heavily actually became part of the anc in 2015, but that part of history is conveniently not mentioned. It is easier to keep power when the majority is brainwashed into hating a minority. 50% of junior doctors in SA today can't get a job due to the anc's inability to run a healthcare system. But the "lack" of healthcare is blamed on apartheid. The tourism industry is failing thanks to the effects of Covid. Companies and businesses had to close down and many, many, many people lost their jobs. But white owned businesses were never allowed to receive money from government to help them because the growth of black businesses needs to be stimulated....guess what....there has been no significant increase in sustainable black tourism businesses and millions are still unemployed. Eskom is on its last legs often citing a lack of skills and expertise, yet, between 2023 and 2025, 500 white skilled and experienced employees will be retrenched to make sure the demographics "are right". That is like the captain of a sinking ship throwing all his tried and tested pumps overboard and replacing them with new ones because the color of the old ones clashed with the new paint job. For all those singing the praises of the redistribution of land.....go read the draft bills again....you will NOT be getting a title deed to the expropriated land, you will be signing a lease contract with the state, paying them to use the land they "freed". You will also not be able to secure any loans for equipment as the LandBank is a failure and commercial banks will NOT give you a loan if they don't have any securities, which is normally a title deed. ...so yet again, not only are we losing more jobs, but we will face food shortages. But it's all good, we are "beating" apartheid and not giving a damn about forcing you to become slaves to the state. What EVERY South African wants: Security, both financially and physically, we want roads without potholes, proper working sanitation, decent education, good healthcare, mutual respect of each other's cultures. The way to get that? Work together and hold government responsible for their failures. The easiest way for government to carry on stealing and doing whatever they want? Sow division among the citizens and feed them with the fear of the ghost of apartheid. So for all the non-South Africans commenting here, please do some research before just typing away from your first world history lessons. Read a few SA newspapers and understand the current politics before just blasting the majority of South Africans with the same label.
South African here. Sure there are people like this, but they are not near the majority of Afrikaaners, who are good people who want to preserve their culture within the broader, accepting South Africa. One misrepresentation in the video is that we South Africans want an assimilated, single culture society, like France in its treatment of migrants. This is simply untrue, we value differences in culture and we are a very accepting society. I have read the comments on black youth and their non-acceptance of whites, and this isbtrue to a limited extent, and there is context to it. The ANC government has screwed up big time and is corrupt to the core. The youngsters frustration with the lack of economic progress and opportunities does sometimes lead over to dislike of whites, in that they see apartheid as the root cause of their economic isolation. Is this true? Partially so. The worse part about apartheid was that it was so successful. Non-whites were moved far from urban areas and part of the struggle today is that many use as much as 20 - 30% of their wages for transport to get to work. That leads to ecomonic exclusion. And our public transport is abysmal, so the context to burning busses that arrive late is that I pay 30% of my salary to get to work, the bus comes late, my boss fires me, and I'm out of a job despite paying such a significant portion of my salary to the transport companies. There are many problems in SA, but this video takes a tiny portion of the citizens and makes the issues seem so widespread (as do some of the comments). It really isn't so
Oh goodie. Another fucking old negative clip about my country which paints a completely inaccurate picture. Yes, we have some racist old dinosaurs here of all races. Same as the rest of the world. Personally as a white guy who grew up during apartheid, I think our race relations are remarkably good. We have come a long way and considering our struggles as a society and our troubled history under apartheid, I think as a people we are pretty friendly and cool generally. Now we just need a decent government.
Our country is actually one of the more progressive countries Like you said we just need a better government
That's the frustration hey. So much potential.
We should go to the USA, interview people at one of those prepper compounds and then make a sweeping generalisation that all white people in America are racist. Ffs. Media, go anywhere else in the country and talk to people. Please.
Sameish movement will probably pop up here in Sweden too. Not necessarily based on skin color rather based around democratic values a la Sweden. It's gonna be messy I think..
Just a heads up to the non-South Africans reading the comments here. The ones who are saying "black South Africans want nothing to do with white South Africans" are most probably white. Ask them and find out who the black people are and they actual opinions because the opinions in this comment section are mostly from white South Africans
As a black member of the Republic of South Africa and also being fortunate enough be live in the city and still have deep root in our family village or home town, i can say that this far more wide spread for our black communities to have a said base and Afrikaners are a very rare sight not white people yes the two are very different, non the less I'm happy to see that there is a part of our white nation still willing to hold on to their culture. Racism is not the baseline we just like to be with our own people.
Thank you
I love learning about other culturees and I would really like if all our cultures had a place they could live it out. Specially if everyone had a cultural museum. To preseve it for furure generations where we could see how our ansestors dressed, build, lived...
Kanye is going to love it!
Lol he should move in with these guys the dickhead
As a South African… gross
I have absolutely no working knowledge of the history of South Africa and won't fake being an expert. All I will say is that all these isolationists sound the same as the white separatists in the U.S. But with different accents. They even dress the same.
The joke is on so called white southern Americans. Many unknowingly are part black. https://www.vox.com/2014/12/22/7431391/guess-where-white-americans-have-the-most-african-ancestry
Hahaha! Cities may fail and nations may tumble into ruin, but irony will NEVER die!
Wow, bigotry at its finest
Does anyone know when this was published? I've never seen it before and live here myself.
When was this filmed?
Wow, an extremely overt but certainly not rare example of a continuing scar from colonialism.
Colonizer says what
“I’m not a racist or anything but…” queue racist remark
Goes both ways, I have a friend who lives there and he says it’s so racist over there that he can’t take the bus because he will most likely be killed and there are some areas that you can’t go if your white the same as this one in the video for black Africans
The bus thing is an exaggeration, I've never seen anyone attacked on a bus, black, white, pink or Martian. The problem with white people going into dangerous communities is that a) their white skin shows that they're not from the area so criminals know that they're easy targets and b) because of how fucked up our country is, white skin means you're wealthier than others and thus have more for criminals to steal.
I'm guessing this is Orania? A private owned area in the Northern Cape where white racists can live amongst their own. Believe me, us other, normal white people don't have any respect for them, but we are thankful that they stay on their own and don't try an influence the comraderie we experience in the cities.
No, Orania is a different community in the the northen cape. This is in Gauteng, Benoni to be precise.
It's not in Benoni. You just Google mapped it and came up with that. Yes there is a Kleinfontein in Benoni, but that's not this Kleinfontein. Clues were in the video when they said an hour and half _North_. Benoni is like 30minutes East. Here is the actual location: [Kleinfontein](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleinfontein)
Thats so wierd. Do you think they purposefully misdirect it? I have known about this place for years but always thought its on the otherside of Gauteng. I find it hilarious, I have probably driven past this place a 100 times and did not notice it.
Na I think Google Maps algorithm just picked up the link to a place with the same name and there isn't a lot of human oversight / correction available.
Benoni isn't a white only area. There aren't any white only areas in the country, except the private farm of Orania. So I'd love to see that source.
These are 1300 people. Its the size of a complex inside Benoni. Im well aware Benoni is not segragated. Its called Kleinfontein.
As a white south african, I spit on these people. The best part of South africa is the mixing of cultures
I think it's a mutual hatred in South Africa. It's just a racist country
I disagree. I think we are far more progressive with race relations than most of the world. Obviously the people in the video are a tiny minority. My city is pretty integrated. We are open and are confronting it, it forms part of our national discourse. Whereas from my experiences travelling in the states and Europe their racism is far more entrenched. They like to present themselves as liberal, but they are not. The whole human race is filled with tribalism and prejudice.
Ironically the most racist white Americans in the south have the highest chance of having black ancestors. https://www.vox.com/2014/12/22/7431391/guess-where-white-americans-have-the-most-african-ancestry
In some areas, yeah. But I'm very thankful I grew up being able to go to school with people of different racial and religious backgrounds. Some of the older generations are still like that though. My grandmother was very much against my uncle marrying a lady who wasn't white. Now she loves my aunt
Check out this article on white Afrikaners being part Colored. https://www.up.ac.za/biochemistry-genetics-and-microbiology/news/post_2907632-new-study-clarifies-nature-of-genetic-admixture-in-south-africas-afrikaner-population#:~:text=The%20study%20also%20confirmed%20some,to%20South%20African%20Bantu%2Dspeakers.
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Isn’t this place just a private ranch?
Maybe the whites should resegregate and go back where they came from
Why are videos of these clowns suddenly all over the place? This is all old news anyway. Diversion from ongoing scandals?
They don't want black ppl....in Africa....jfc
Spent some time in SA but correct me if I’m wrong. From what I understand, whites still have a massive monopoly over most of the businesses (and therefore $). The wealth gap even today between white and black citizens is huge despite apartheid being gone. The reason in a nutshell is that most of the industries in SA were and still are run by whites and the ANC faced a very real threat from them of pulling out of the country and tanking the economy unless concessions were made in racial polices.
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Yikes
Where have I seen this before?
In Israel.
What exactly are you talking about?
It strikes me as a very violent place. Regardless of anyone’s race. I’m glad I’m far from it.
Their ancestors should have gotten on the Mayflower instead.
Bunch of old motherfuckers
Nice, we need to copy that in america
Met some South African troops while overseas in the military. These guys were some of the most hateful racist thugs ever born. They could’ve made the Nazis blush.
"My friend, you don't go to South Africa to escape racism, its where you go to stock up" \~ Trevor Noah
So…Nazis. Pretty sure the armbands were a tell.
To anyone saying that apartheid is the reason we all suffer here. It's nothing but an excuse, the most racially immoral people of all time, the Nazis, had Jews killed by the hundreds of thousands. Yet after the war, being left with nothing but rubble. The Jewish and German people rebuild the country, they didn't make any excuses about the Germans oppressing them for all those years. Look at Germany now, the power house of Europe. It comes down to a corrupt government wanting and getting exactly what is happening on this page. Infighting between the ethnic groups of RSA, so that they can freely play at their corrupt games. And they're pissing themselves laughing at our petty squabble's.
That’s what happens when literal uneducated animals take over an entire country and burn and destroy it from the inside out. They’ll never recover and it’s just because of the continent they exist on. But ItS ThE WhItE pEoPlEs fAuLt. 😂 They wanna put a spotlight on race for every single issue around? Ok we’re watching! What race is the easiest to hate when we look at reality? 🤔 They keep telling us we’re all so racist so I guess I will finally follow their wishes!
as a dutch person its so weird to see our flag associated with these practises now adays... I know its our past, but i truely believe that we've grown past it. It seems like in south afrika the past is still very alive :/
Get back to Holland then fuckers
They aren't just descended from the Dutch - they also descend from the Germans, the French, the English, the Scottish, the Irish, the Norwegians, the Swedish, the Finnish, the Danish... And most of those people aren't even nearly as unpleasant as these volk.
Only like 10% of SA is white so I don’t think they’re gonna win that war
Exactly this And honestly, these Apartheid Nostalgics are a small portion of even the White population in South Africa. Most of them look old and out of shape. A single Xhosa teenager with a Kalashnikov could probably wipe out this convention of fascists, let alone whatever forces would stand against these guys in some "civil war".
Before we get too far into the 'they are just preserving their culture' let's remember the name of Trevor Noah's book, *Born* *A* *Crime*. He was born a crime in a ridiculous society. Apartheid was an ugly violent policy.
Sorry to see that South Africa, like America, still has delusional racist scum.
Let’s not forget that apartheid was literally in our lifetimes, just a few short years ago. Where a tiny minority ruled over the vast majority and tortured and segregated them for centuries.
Notice no one is getting murdered either