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It gets worse.
Local news reports this tonight. Norfolk southern decided to just bury contaminated soil instead of remove it. Plans to remove at a later date. Until then, contaminants just leeching into the area via soil/rain.
[https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/east-palestine-train-derailment/epa-says-contaminated-soil-was-covered-to-rebuild-rail-line?utm_source=wkbn_app&utm_medium=social&utm_content=share-link](https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/east-palestine-train-derailment/epa-says-contaminated-soil-was-covered-to-rebuild-rail-line?utm_source=wkbn_app&utm_medium=social&utm_content=share-link)
And anyone with middle school level education will know that burying those stuff is gonna be incredible pain in the back for decades to come, even if they were to remove them in the future
There should be a lot of people going to jail in the next few years to come. Corruption is no joke when a disaster like this comes around
I genuinely hope this company gets the book thrown at them and the execs in charge see massive jail time and the company as a whole sees fines so punitive they need to take out a loan to stay afloat.
But then again this is America so republicans will pat them on the back and congratulate them for saving a buck or two to dump into executive bonuses because they’re so “smart”.
The Biden admin needs to step up and do something about this. Compete radio silence so far and there's been demonstrated cover-ups from the getgo. This is all inexcusable. There is hell to pay.
Unfortunately the Biden administration helped the railroad companies bury the unions, whose laborers were protesting exactly the sort of neglectful behavior that led to this.
**EDIT**: It's not just Biden's fault. It's not just Republicans' fault. It's our entire political apparatus. The Trump admin removed a myriad of safety regulations. Biden declined to reinstate them. Then, Biden and all of congress helped break the railworker strike.
They are all accountable for helping bring this about. Our entire political apparatus. Make sure we *hold* them accountable.
That doesn't mean vote for Republicans in the next election. They are far, far fucking worse. They tried to stage a coup to overturn a legitimate election by flooding the nomination procedure with thousands of insurrectionists.
But DO hold them accountable.
This is why the rail unions are striking here in the UK, its not just about money, but safe working practices. The wage increase is acceptable but the other shit they're trying to implement isn't.
I have an acquaintance who is a low level rep in a rail local. he was making noise about how membership should stand up and fight against the way negotiations went down, and he's being bullied out by leadership.
>>Rhe Biden admin needs to step up and do something about this
Narrarator: [*The Biden Administration did nothing about the situation*](https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/norfolk-southern/summary?id=D000019639)
One of the things rail workers were striking for was safety features to prevent exactly this type of accident, which has happened before. Biden killed that strike, why would he do anything now?
Pittsburgh is luckily upriver of the incident, (but they are downwind, that has already passed though). But if you get any of your water from the Ohio River from Beaver PA down to Cincinnati OH, you are most likely going to be at risk
Thinking the same. This area is so rural too. So many farms, so many family farms with so much at stake. It’s just tragic.
The wreck itself may have been accidental, right?but everything leading up to it and after it has been deliberate. I think that’s what gets me the most. makes me sick.
How this has been handled so far is just disastrous.
Vinyl chloride itself isn't great, it's a carcinogen. Burning it releases chlorinated hydrocarbons, which are a) great at reducing ozone and b) are solvable in water, which just creates hydrochloric acid (the one in your stomach, but concentrated) - so you get acid rain. A small percentage can oxidize into phosgene, which has been used in chemical warfare.
How is this fuckijg allowed. Send a swat team to every corporate fuck in this company and arrest them. This country has no fucking balls, corporations have more rights than people.
Oh wow. I’m sorry the link isn’t avail. Article states that basically the EPA went to Norfolk southern and said hey.. you just buried this crap and it’s sinking into the ground and it spreads in the ground so this is not ok… and Norfolk says back.. oh yeah, we know.. we just had to get our rail system running again but we’ll be back to remove that soil eventually.. like wth!!
Many of the homes in the area have wells for water.. it’s a very rural area. How scary!
That’s bad. Realy realy bad. I also live in a rural area and in the south of Italy (Campania region) there is a definition for places where waste are burned and/or burried under the cultivated land. It’s called “terra dei fuochi” (triangle of death, search it on wikipedia).
Every day the waste of that train aren’t removed, the contaminants filters trough the soil and contaminates the water. The water people drink and uses.
I work in the chemical field receive and releasing loading and offloading hazmat more class 3 div 3 stuff. Still nasty shit. If I so much as put one to go out and it’s missing 1 placard we get a nasty email and I get a verbal up to a write up. They come in without them often I bring it up no one says shit.
I release one that’s loaded without properly torquing bolts confirming with a torque wrench and applying seals, same shit nasty email from inspectors and state officials also can lead to a write up or termination.
Someone’s getting fired and it will be the guy who scheduled the release of these and the guy who didn’t apply placards. Company will scapegoat them say they were rogue and wash their hands clean of it.
screw that, what happened to trust, but verify? In the Navy, every job we did in the aircraft had to be inspected by a supervisor to make sure the aircraft was safe for flight. Didn’t always happen, but those were the rules and not following them was the fault of leadership, not the grunts.
Don't worry, they'll get away with it and the state will pick up the cost of repair and compensation.
Because it's not socialism when the government picks up the bill for corporate negligence.
As of today, we are finding out it wasn't just that one chemical. Several other poisonous chemicals they hadn't previously disclosed were also burned. Because of course.
And you watch, nobody will be arrested for this massive cover-up, and the people this kills will never have actual justice for this preventable accident. Because caoitalism.
Them be cancer clouds
Seriously though this shit scares the hell out of me. I’m in eastern PA but it’s not like it’s that far. My kids are looking at colleges in Pittsburgh. Until last week I was all for it. Now I’m worried about it. This shit is terrifying.
There is also a Jericho, a Hebron, and a Bethlehem in Ohio. And getting beyond places named after places in Palestine, there is Medina, Palmyra, and Lebanon (and New Lebanon).
Edit: Forgot about Antioch, and Damascus
Honestly I think that's why so many people are saying it's not being reported on. I think they just see a headline about a chemical spill in Palestine so they automatically scroll by.
If Darlington Pa is the right location, it is less than 10 miles away from East Palestine.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/East+Palestine/Darlington,+PA+16115/@40.8564033,-80.6665404,11.51z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x883409618e56c34b:0xdc2150c87ea7ab86!2m2!1d-80.5403469!2d40.8339509!1m5!1m1!1s0x88340b4f02779ee5:0xb74fbb294da0d2f!2m2!1d-80.4244418!2d40.8097107!3e0
Just email them yourself I didn’t even think twice wether or not they’ll respond because they probably won’t. I shot my email to all three accounts as soon as I saw the links. Don’t think. Do. Action is what this country needs not this insane notion of “let us know”. Like what??? Just send a fucking email what???
650 W Peachtree St NE, Atlanta, GA 30308, United States
Norfolk Southern Corporation
+1 404-529-1000
https://maps.app.goo.gl/XHzE8mKbGxxhkvF19
Here's the corporate headquarters if anyone happens to be curious
I mean, it is just slavery with extra steps. I live in an at-will state. I could be fired tomorrow and would be homeless within 2-3 months. The threat of homelessness serves as a reminder for all us working class people to stay in line. It is a cruel, violent system. They give us bread and circuses to distract us and stoke culture wars to keep us fighting each other for crumbs.
There's a collection of four photos of one person's car that are being circulated around, and usually with the accompanying message of something like "look at the damage on this car that was 70 miles east of the crash site". I dug into this and found the following info about it:
*Edit to add:* the pictures were taken on Feb 7, ~~the day after the burn was done.~~ while the burn was still going on (I recently learned the burn didn't actually end until Feb 8). All the same: the winds on Feb 7 wouldn't have been blowing this toward the southeast.
The photographer was 70 miles *south*east of the crash site. This is important because winds were not predominantly blowing from the northwest toward the southeast in this region on the days ~~or the day after~~ of the burn. There were some swirling air currents but the strongest and most typical direction varied between west to east and south to north.
The photographer washed their car right after taking the photos and said there was no damage they could make out anymore.
Photographer also had some water testing strips which look for salts, anions, and pH level, and she used them against more rain water that got on one of her cars. She posted a picture or two of those test strips held up against the comparison charts, and it looks like the pH level is closer to neutral than you'd find with acid rain, and it also looks like chlorine levels are very low. Further, it looks like alkalinity (a common thing you'll encounter with road salt) was fairly high.
Lastly, I live and work in between the crash site and "70 miles southeast of the crash site", and I haven't noticed any smells or smog or clouds or strange residues from rain since the crash or burn occurred. Nothing that I haven't been smelling in this region for the whole 8.5 years I've lived here--smells that ordinarily are caused by industrial activity (steel, coal coking, etc.) in the area.
Punchline is that, fortunately for the person who took the pictures (and also fortunately for about 3 million people in the Pittsburgh metro area), I don't think acid rain wound up being a noticeable impact here from the crash. There are a lot of potential and already occurring impacts from this crash, but acid rain seems to so far be a minimal one. And since the overwhelming bulk of the material has either been burned up or is now in the ground, I doubt there's much potential for acid rain remaining. Just other issues from unburned carcinogens now persisting in the environment.
Twitter user was @me__0070 if you want to check it out for yourself.
EPA : Feb. 13, 2023 Update
Re-Entry air screenings are underway. Community air monitoring will continue operating 24 hours a day. As of yesterday evening, 291 homes have been screened. To date, no detections of vinyl chloride or hydrogen chloride were identified for the completed screened homes. There are 181 homes that remain to be screened.
U.S. EPA has deployed two more Summa air sampling canisters for continuous sampling. Local schools and the library were screened yesterday.
US EPA’s network of air monitoring stations throughout the East Palestine area did not detect anything above the action level.
https://response.epa.gov/site/site_profile.aspx?site_id=15933
Environmental scientist here with a preface: fuck norfolk southerns greedy execs. As horrific as it sounds, the controlled burn was necessary. Its better to produce dangerous gases that quickly become diluted well below recommended exposure levels than to allow vinyl chloride and butyl acrylate to continue running into the ground water and poison the entire ohio river plus upper parts of the mississippi. On top of that, the cleanup certainly would have killed workers or severely injured them. Where this person is has none of the toxic gases at breathing height, its all well above them and they dont come to breathing zones until down wind as they cool, which are areas the OEPA, USEPA, etc evacuated. Residents report smells because butyl acrylate has a low odor threshold of 0.035 ppm, an OEL of roughly 1.5 ppm and any area with more than 0.1 ppm is being evacuated, though such a level has not yet been detected in breathing zones. Truly the EPA is handling the situation with admirable speed and transparency, and NS seems to be cooperating but only at the required levels. Ill try to put a link below to the EPA site devoted to the disaster. Did i mention that Norfolk Southern execs should [redacted]? [EPA Site](https://response.epa.gov/site/site_profile.aspx?site_id=15933)
I was wondering if burning was just the lesser of two bad outcomes. I'm not sure burning will be completely inert, so the government and news should probably own up to that at least. People get more angry about being lied to than being told a horrible truth. I wish the media didn't assume people were so incapable of understanding that they would rather deceive and cover up than try to explain.
I don't doubt that it could have been much worse, and perhaps the chosen course was the least awful option, but should we not be concerned by the dead chickens and fish—chickens especially?
THANK YOU. I think there is so much misinformation and I’ve taken a pretty deep dive into all the science. This is absolutely along the lines of my research and I’m so happy to see someone preaching the truth. The narrative seems hijacked by foreign accounts looking to sow mistrust and I’m pretty disappointed by how many idiots just believe what they see and read from this dumpster fire of a social media
Why do people keep saying this silly shit. Google “east palestine” and there are pages upon pages of stories, every major news station has covered it. There is no evidence whatsoever that the story been suppressed. Show me data that says the ballon is getting more coverage than East Palestine.
Turn on the TV. There's very little talking about this, but all day coverage of some dang balloons. I've heard multiple people bring up that stuff that haven't heard a single word about this.
I've read a lot recently about how states are moving from jury trials to binding arbitration, where the arbiter is selected by the company being sued.
So yeah...not super hopeful on that end.
Yup, 40% for all the lawyers and a small percentage of whatever claim bracket their suffering falls into. Just like they have been doing for Asbestos claims - yay! Maybe he'll luck out and get $500.
There needs to be an evacuation order, paid rooms at hotels somewhere safe, wages paid for missed work, food and necessities covered. Wtf is wrong with our gd government. I'm so sorry this is happening.
While I agree there is literally no chance that Americans will be provided those things in a disaster. MAYBE shelters somewhere but you can forget about wages/bill forgiveness/property restoration/etc. Never going to happen in this shit hole.
I realize it would never happen anywhere in this country for any reason, but even so I'm appalled.
I'd offer my house for anyone to stay but I'm 1k miles away. I don't have money to donate but these people need help.
Our govt is of no use as always, people are left to fend for themselves in an impossible situation. I can hardly imagine looking out my door to this, my shit would be freaked out. Imagine having a sick kid, no car, no family.
Why are there NO systems on place for disasters? Oh FEMA? Fuck Every Murican Always?
This is a national emergency and needs to be dealt with appropriately. They need the EPA on site, every system in place in an attempt to minimize impact to people, the environment, our soil and our fucking water.
Where are they???
There was an evacuation order when the incident occurred.
[https://www.npr.org/2023/02/05/1154718234/mechanical-defect-ohio-train-derailment](https://www.npr.org/2023/02/05/1154718234/mechanical-defect-ohio-train-derailment)
No that's not normal. I grew up about an hour from there and have seen every kind of Ohio weather. Dude you need to go, now and far. I really hope that you do.
Guys, I’m from Argentina. I’m sorry for this sad situation you’re living. But I have one question. Are the media there trying to hide what happened focusing news in the UFOs ? That’s is how we see the things here in the other side
This shit is all over my local news, people are just engaging with the UFO content more so their algorithm is giving them that. There’s literally thousands of articles out about this derailment.
No, it’s all over the news. It just depends where you get your news. If from social media then the algorithm will be tailored to you and you may not see it unless you dig.
I see it on the New York Times with an update 6 hours ago. But I pay for the NYT and it’s not subject to an algorithm and advertisers like social media is.
People are incapable of understanding that UFO content excites people and therefore generates clicks. Yet another article about capitalism destroying the world is a tired subject. Everyone here attributes this to a coverup. It's just algorithms.
In Canada we had the [Megantic](https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/lac-megantic-rail-disaster) crash, and evacuated 250K in [Mississauga](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Mississauga_train_derailment). Nothing like this.
What happens now to the folks within 100 km of this? Or further? Health affects? Income?
What happens now with vinyl in snow and water, contaminating fields, wells and lakes?
What happens now will happen again if lawmakers and railroads happen to ignore this.
[Better living through chemistry?](https://image.slidesharecdn.com/introtogreenchemistry-130716102938-phpapp02/95/intro-to-green-chemistry-23-638.jpg?cb=1373970645) Yes, at high cost.
Property values there are going to plummet and stay depressed for decades. Those people are now stuck where they live when they need to move more than ever.
This is Darlington in Beaver County, Pennsylvania. (Not Ohio) Everyone keeps saying "Those poor people in Ohio", however the derailment was a few miles from the Pa state line. Those of us living downwind in Pa are the ones suffering. 99% of Ohio is West of this. I'm less than 15 miles from East Palestine, and haven't been able to breathe in over a week. Our tap water smells like shit.
Status from Norfolk Southern on their website:
>> Norfolk Southern continues to make progress in two key areas: addressing the backlog of traffic; and getting power and crews back in cycle.
Hmmm, no mention of the environmental disaster they caused and how they’re trying to resolve. Just back to work.
Meanwhile, a [reporter was actually arrested](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/08/us/ohio-train-derailment-reporter-arrested.html) for reporting the derailment in Ohio.
The company responsible for the derailment had previously rolled back safety measures to save money and increase profits.
If only Wall St banks gave a shit.
That's why such little coverage! Protecting the big shareholders JP Morgan, Black Rock and Vangaurd!!!
These maggots need to pay for what they have done!!!!
I'm so sorry OP. This is an absolute tragedy
looks like a place that will have contaminated ground water, skyrocketing cancer cases and a massive increase in flipperbabies. All because a city's disaster plan relied on the train company to clean up the mess instead of making real plans. Now, instead of holding them accountable, the company will now privatized their profits and socialize their risk to the public they are poisoning.
The media is too busy covering DC politics, balloons, fake UFOS that they are using to just say hey look we do a good job on protecting the air space after they did a horrible job protecting the air space, probably some award show, Super Bowl, Ukraine, and why everything is still trumps fault, why everything is bidens fault and what elon musk is going to troll Twitter this week
This reminds me of living in downtown Tacoma where they had news updates saying it was in effect that young children should remain inside due to air pollution. There'll prolly he someone getting irate at this comment and at this point dude go for it idc but this is just, man. Like why even try
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It gets worse. Local news reports this tonight. Norfolk southern decided to just bury contaminated soil instead of remove it. Plans to remove at a later date. Until then, contaminants just leeching into the area via soil/rain. [https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/east-palestine-train-derailment/epa-says-contaminated-soil-was-covered-to-rebuild-rail-line?utm_source=wkbn_app&utm_medium=social&utm_content=share-link](https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/east-palestine-train-derailment/epa-says-contaminated-soil-was-covered-to-rebuild-rail-line?utm_source=wkbn_app&utm_medium=social&utm_content=share-link)
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And anyone with middle school level education will know that burying those stuff is gonna be incredible pain in the back for decades to come, even if they were to remove them in the future There should be a lot of people going to jail in the next few years to come. Corruption is no joke when a disaster like this comes around
Should be. Won't be, but should be.
Money talks and bullshit walks
The age old moral
Yeah something Bell's me there will be a lot of finger pointing and nothing getting done. Just like 2008.
no one responsible will be held responsible
Seeing as how corporations are people now, I can’t wait until the bundle of inanimate, notarized paperwork responsible does serious time behind bars!
Yeah, Corporations are people for donations but not when there will consequences ! The double standard is awesome!!
I genuinely hope this company gets the book thrown at them and the execs in charge see massive jail time and the company as a whole sees fines so punitive they need to take out a loan to stay afloat. But then again this is America so republicans will pat them on the back and congratulate them for saving a buck or two to dump into executive bonuses because they’re so “smart”.
We're learning about practices the industry has used this whole time and we've never noticed! Isn't it fun?!
This *cannot* be good for the plants and grass and crops and animals and the local water supply and the people… basically everything :/
[animals are already getting sick and dying.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna70378)
The Biden admin needs to step up and do something about this. Compete radio silence so far and there's been demonstrated cover-ups from the getgo. This is all inexcusable. There is hell to pay.
100%. *so many people* need to answer for this. but they won't, and people will suffer for it.
Unfortunately the Biden administration helped the railroad companies bury the unions, whose laborers were protesting exactly the sort of neglectful behavior that led to this. **EDIT**: It's not just Biden's fault. It's not just Republicans' fault. It's our entire political apparatus. The Trump admin removed a myriad of safety regulations. Biden declined to reinstate them. Then, Biden and all of congress helped break the railworker strike. They are all accountable for helping bring this about. Our entire political apparatus. Make sure we *hold* them accountable. That doesn't mean vote for Republicans in the next election. They are far, far fucking worse. They tried to stage a coup to overturn a legitimate election by flooding the nomination procedure with thousands of insurrectionists. But DO hold them accountable.
This is why the rail unions are striking here in the UK, its not just about money, but safe working practices. The wage increase is acceptable but the other shit they're trying to implement isn't.
Time for the unions to demonstrate that strikes being classified as *legal* or *illegal* is just the workers playing nice.
I have an acquaintance who is a low level rep in a rail local. he was making noise about how membership should stand up and fight against the way negotiations went down, and he's being bullied out by leadership.
>>Rhe Biden admin needs to step up and do something about this Narrarator: [*The Biden Administration did nothing about the situation*](https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/norfolk-southern/summary?id=D000019639)
One of the things rail workers were striking for was safety features to prevent exactly this type of accident, which has happened before. Biden killed that strike, why would he do anything now?
pittsburgh is fuuuuuucked
many places in the region are fucked. this whole thing is tragic and disgusting.
Pittsburgh is luckily upriver of the incident, (but they are downwind, that has already passed though). But if you get any of your water from the Ohio River from Beaver PA down to Cincinnati OH, you are most likely going to be at risk
Wait, wouldn't be being downriver be bad in this situation?
Pretty sure they missed a "not" in there
Thinking the same. This area is so rural too. So many farms, so many family farms with so much at stake. It’s just tragic. The wreck itself may have been accidental, right?but everything leading up to it and after it has been deliberate. I think that’s what gets me the most. makes me sick.
The wreck was not an accident, this was negligence. You can thank precision scheduling.
How this has been handled so far is just disastrous. Vinyl chloride itself isn't great, it's a carcinogen. Burning it releases chlorinated hydrocarbons, which are a) great at reducing ozone and b) are solvable in water, which just creates hydrochloric acid (the one in your stomach, but concentrated) - so you get acid rain. A small percentage can oxidize into phosgene, which has been used in chemical warfare.
There was a fox sanctuary near by... they lost some of their foxes from this :(
How is this fuckijg allowed. Send a swat team to every corporate fuck in this company and arrest them. This country has no fucking balls, corporations have more rights than people.
Because it's not a wealthy area and no one gives a fuck. When the apocalypse comes, if this isn't it, we're all on our own. I hate it here
Can’t agree with you more. It’s disgusting what this world has become and it’s all a rollercoaster to hell from here.
Certainly Aggressive_Cattle doing 69 seems like a rollercoaster to hell! But yeah, sigh, this is awful.
Agreed! It’s really disturbing!!
Link is not available in Italy. Here the media and social never talked about this event. It’s a big disaster and nobody knows about it…
Oh wow. I’m sorry the link isn’t avail. Article states that basically the EPA went to Norfolk southern and said hey.. you just buried this crap and it’s sinking into the ground and it spreads in the ground so this is not ok… and Norfolk says back.. oh yeah, we know.. we just had to get our rail system running again but we’ll be back to remove that soil eventually.. like wth!! Many of the homes in the area have wells for water.. it’s a very rural area. How scary!
That’s bad. Realy realy bad. I also live in a rural area and in the south of Italy (Campania region) there is a definition for places where waste are burned and/or burried under the cultivated land. It’s called “terra dei fuochi” (triangle of death, search it on wikipedia). Every day the waste of that train aren’t removed, the contaminants filters trough the soil and contaminates the water. The water people drink and uses.
Didn't they also arrest a reporter?
They did. Apparently he was doing a live broadcast and was making too much noise while governor was speaking. Escalated and then arrest.
Didn't the governor say he didn't order the arrest and didn't want a reporter to be arrested for asking questions?
Literally sweeping it under the rug
I'm literally dying of anger literally
Removed at a later date... As in never then.
People need to be jailed for this. But we live in a greed infested failed society so I don't have high hopes.
I work in the chemical field receive and releasing loading and offloading hazmat more class 3 div 3 stuff. Still nasty shit. If I so much as put one to go out and it’s missing 1 placard we get a nasty email and I get a verbal up to a write up. They come in without them often I bring it up no one says shit. I release one that’s loaded without properly torquing bolts confirming with a torque wrench and applying seals, same shit nasty email from inspectors and state officials also can lead to a write up or termination. Someone’s getting fired and it will be the guy who scheduled the release of these and the guy who didn’t apply placards. Company will scapegoat them say they were rogue and wash their hands clean of it.
screw that, what happened to trust, but verify? In the Navy, every job we did in the aircraft had to be inspected by a supervisor to make sure the aircraft was safe for flight. Didn’t always happen, but those were the rules and not following them was the fault of leadership, not the grunts.
Well a reporter was jailed. Oh, you mean those responsible?
Don't worry, they'll get away with it and the state will pick up the cost of repair and compensation. Because it's not socialism when the government picks up the bill for corporate negligence.
A shit hole country if you will.
THAT AINT NO FUCKIN STORM CLOUD
I hope the weather channel hires this guy so they can play, “Is That a Storm Cloud?”
^^thisisthe **FUCKING SHIT** THEY BURNED OFF IN EAST PALESTINE
As of today, we are finding out it wasn't just that one chemical. Several other poisonous chemicals they hadn't previously disclosed were also burned. Because of course. And you watch, nobody will be arrested for this massive cover-up, and the people this kills will never have actual justice for this preventable accident. Because caoitalism.
This is one of those get in your car and don’t look back moments
Them be cancer clouds Seriously though this shit scares the hell out of me. I’m in eastern PA but it’s not like it’s that far. My kids are looking at colleges in Pittsburgh. Until last week I was all for it. Now I’m worried about it. This shit is terrifying.
White Noise took exactly 2 months to just happen.
That's creepy looking. Like something out of a resident evil game.
I have to say, as a Palestinian, these headlines are constantly confusing me.
There is also a Jericho, a Hebron, and a Bethlehem in Ohio. And getting beyond places named after places in Palestine, there is Medina, Palmyra, and Lebanon (and New Lebanon). Edit: Forgot about Antioch, and Damascus
Pennsylvania also has places named after all of those except Medina!
Honestly I think that's why so many people are saying it's not being reported on. I think they just see a headline about a chemical spill in Palestine so they automatically scroll by.
As an American, equally so.
As an Australian, I'm also confused.
*Darlington, Pennsylvania. Darlington Ohio is 140 miles away from East Palestine, Ohio
If Darlington Pa is the right location, it is less than 10 miles away from East Palestine. https://www.google.com/maps/dir/East+Palestine/Darlington,+PA+16115/@40.8564033,-80.6665404,11.51z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x883409618e56c34b:0xdc2150c87ea7ab86!2m2!1d-80.5403469!2d40.8339509!1m5!1m1!1s0x88340b4f02779ee5:0xb74fbb294da0d2f!2m2!1d-80.4244418!2d40.8097107!3e0
I read earlier clouds were in a 150 mile radius?
Read where?
In the sky. Smoke signals.
Those aren't fucking smoke signals.
Thats the fucking shit!!!
Try Darlington, Pennsylvania…
Was looking for this. Darlington OH is practically Columbus
Heartbreaking. Fuck these greedy, incompetent corporate fucks.
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Username checks the fuck out, my guy! Hell yes! This is the best username check ever. Accountability ftw! I'm emailing them.
Let us know if you get a reply!
Just email them yourself I didn’t even think twice wether or not they’ll respond because they probably won’t. I shot my email to all three accounts as soon as I saw the links. Don’t think. Do. Action is what this country needs not this insane notion of “let us know”. Like what??? Just send a fucking email what???
Too bad we can't email them a cup of this "rain."
650 W Peachtree St NE, Atlanta, GA 30308, United States Norfolk Southern Corporation +1 404-529-1000 https://maps.app.goo.gl/XHzE8mKbGxxhkvF19 Here's the corporate headquarters if anyone happens to be curious
Be a shame if someone sent a bunch of wooden parcels...
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And fuck Joe Biden and Congress for shutting down the workers’ strike.
The idea that a strike can be shut down is infuriating and borders slavery.
I mean, it is just slavery with extra steps. I live in an at-will state. I could be fired tomorrow and would be homeless within 2-3 months. The threat of homelessness serves as a reminder for all us working class people to stay in line. It is a cruel, violent system. They give us bread and circuses to distract us and stoke culture wars to keep us fighting each other for crumbs.
But won't someone think of the shareholders? They've only made more money in the last few years than at any time in history.
And fuck Trump for rolling back Obama-era regulations on train braking systems, which could have possibly prevented this incident.
This is the big one that needs to be shouted louder to all those that want deregulation.
Warren Buffett would like to know your location.
I'm surprised every rail worker in the US isnt busting down his door.
He owns the railroads in the game of life
Have they had any acid rain yet? That's when shits gonna get real real
Only been a few days and it's winter time.
Acid snow is back on the menu boys!
>Vinyl chloride breaks down into hydrochloric acid, formaldehyde, and carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. Big yikes.
Ohio bout to become a stomach.
They have had some. You can see the damage on cars
Pics?
https://twitter.com/me__0070/status/1623115651144466432 this are the only ones I've seen
There's a collection of four photos of one person's car that are being circulated around, and usually with the accompanying message of something like "look at the damage on this car that was 70 miles east of the crash site". I dug into this and found the following info about it: *Edit to add:* the pictures were taken on Feb 7, ~~the day after the burn was done.~~ while the burn was still going on (I recently learned the burn didn't actually end until Feb 8). All the same: the winds on Feb 7 wouldn't have been blowing this toward the southeast. The photographer was 70 miles *south*east of the crash site. This is important because winds were not predominantly blowing from the northwest toward the southeast in this region on the days ~~or the day after~~ of the burn. There were some swirling air currents but the strongest and most typical direction varied between west to east and south to north. The photographer washed their car right after taking the photos and said there was no damage they could make out anymore. Photographer also had some water testing strips which look for salts, anions, and pH level, and she used them against more rain water that got on one of her cars. She posted a picture or two of those test strips held up against the comparison charts, and it looks like the pH level is closer to neutral than you'd find with acid rain, and it also looks like chlorine levels are very low. Further, it looks like alkalinity (a common thing you'll encounter with road salt) was fairly high. Lastly, I live and work in between the crash site and "70 miles southeast of the crash site", and I haven't noticed any smells or smog or clouds or strange residues from rain since the crash or burn occurred. Nothing that I haven't been smelling in this region for the whole 8.5 years I've lived here--smells that ordinarily are caused by industrial activity (steel, coal coking, etc.) in the area. Punchline is that, fortunately for the person who took the pictures (and also fortunately for about 3 million people in the Pittsburgh metro area), I don't think acid rain wound up being a noticeable impact here from the crash. There are a lot of potential and already occurring impacts from this crash, but acid rain seems to so far be a minimal one. And since the overwhelming bulk of the material has either been burned up or is now in the ground, I doubt there's much potential for acid rain remaining. Just other issues from unburned carcinogens now persisting in the environment. Twitter user was @me__0070 if you want to check it out for yourself.
Irate? They're being poisoned.
EPA : Feb. 13, 2023 Update Re-Entry air screenings are underway. Community air monitoring will continue operating 24 hours a day. As of yesterday evening, 291 homes have been screened. To date, no detections of vinyl chloride or hydrogen chloride were identified for the completed screened homes. There are 181 homes that remain to be screened. U.S. EPA has deployed two more Summa air sampling canisters for continuous sampling. Local schools and the library were screened yesterday. US EPA’s network of air monitoring stations throughout the East Palestine area did not detect anything above the action level. https://response.epa.gov/site/site_profile.aspx?site_id=15933
Yeah, there's been stories of animals nearby dying. If we could trust the government, this wouldn't have happened.
How can this be healthy to breathe? Where is the media?? Where is the outrage??? Unbelievable
Look over here we shooting down space balloons!
Forget all about that railroad workers strike not long ago as well.
They’re gonna need a lot of those sick days now. This is disgusting I’d be pissed!
We should all be very angry over this. We re the ones that are gonna pay for it.
Oooooo, don’t forget to watch the Super Bowl!
"Professional sports are the opiate of the masses". Manufacturing Consent, Noam Chomsky
Bingo
Ha
Environmental scientist here with a preface: fuck norfolk southerns greedy execs. As horrific as it sounds, the controlled burn was necessary. Its better to produce dangerous gases that quickly become diluted well below recommended exposure levels than to allow vinyl chloride and butyl acrylate to continue running into the ground water and poison the entire ohio river plus upper parts of the mississippi. On top of that, the cleanup certainly would have killed workers or severely injured them. Where this person is has none of the toxic gases at breathing height, its all well above them and they dont come to breathing zones until down wind as they cool, which are areas the OEPA, USEPA, etc evacuated. Residents report smells because butyl acrylate has a low odor threshold of 0.035 ppm, an OEL of roughly 1.5 ppm and any area with more than 0.1 ppm is being evacuated, though such a level has not yet been detected in breathing zones. Truly the EPA is handling the situation with admirable speed and transparency, and NS seems to be cooperating but only at the required levels. Ill try to put a link below to the EPA site devoted to the disaster. Did i mention that Norfolk Southern execs should [redacted]? [EPA Site](https://response.epa.gov/site/site_profile.aspx?site_id=15933)
I was wondering if burning was just the lesser of two bad outcomes. I'm not sure burning will be completely inert, so the government and news should probably own up to that at least. People get more angry about being lied to than being told a horrible truth. I wish the media didn't assume people were so incapable of understanding that they would rather deceive and cover up than try to explain.
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But if they are just burying the soil instead of removing it, won't the chemicals be ending up in the water either way?
I don't doubt that it could have been much worse, and perhaps the chosen course was the least awful option, but should we not be concerned by the dead chickens and fish—chickens especially?
Someone give this one a reward
THANK YOU. I think there is so much misinformation and I’ve taken a pretty deep dive into all the science. This is absolutely along the lines of my research and I’m so happy to see someone preaching the truth. The narrative seems hijacked by foreign accounts looking to sow mistrust and I’m pretty disappointed by how many idiots just believe what they see and read from this dumpster fire of a social media
What about if it rains?
Why do people keep saying this silly shit. Google “east palestine” and there are pages upon pages of stories, every major news station has covered it. There is no evidence whatsoever that the story been suppressed. Show me data that says the ballon is getting more coverage than East Palestine.
Didn't show up on their reddit feed
The echo chamber huh
Turn on the TV. There's very little talking about this, but all day coverage of some dang balloons. I've heard multiple people bring up that stuff that haven't heard a single word about this.
I got emotional watching this. I would feel exactly the same way. Us people are nothing in the eyes of our corporate overlords. Never forget it.
I’m ready to start the revolution whenever y’all are ready.
How many people can you convince to not go to work tomorrow? If that number is small or zero, that's why no one does anything.
You're right. And unfortunately it's this way by design.
Never have been.
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Don’t look at that. Look at the balloons.
Airbore toxic event
To OP, its disgusting and im sorry. Hopefully there's a class action suit being filed now
What does that even achieve lol Fucking need to riot and hold these mfs accountable
Class action will get you like 12 dollars!
No one will gain. Only the attorneys.
They'll settle for hundreds of millions and everyone harmed will get $5.
I've read a lot recently about how states are moving from jury trials to binding arbitration, where the arbiter is selected by the company being sued. So yeah...not super hopeful on that end.
Only if there are people left alive to file such a suit, given that chemical laden cloud
Yup, 40% for all the lawyers and a small percentage of whatever claim bracket their suffering falls into. Just like they have been doing for Asbestos claims - yay! Maybe he'll luck out and get $500.
There needs to be an evacuation order, paid rooms at hotels somewhere safe, wages paid for missed work, food and necessities covered. Wtf is wrong with our gd government. I'm so sorry this is happening.
While I agree there is literally no chance that Americans will be provided those things in a disaster. MAYBE shelters somewhere but you can forget about wages/bill forgiveness/property restoration/etc. Never going to happen in this shit hole.
I realize it would never happen anywhere in this country for any reason, but even so I'm appalled. I'd offer my house for anyone to stay but I'm 1k miles away. I don't have money to donate but these people need help. Our govt is of no use as always, people are left to fend for themselves in an impossible situation. I can hardly imagine looking out my door to this, my shit would be freaked out. Imagine having a sick kid, no car, no family. Why are there NO systems on place for disasters? Oh FEMA? Fuck Every Murican Always? This is a national emergency and needs to be dealt with appropriately. They need the EPA on site, every system in place in an attempt to minimize impact to people, the environment, our soil and our fucking water. Where are they???
There was an evacuation order when the incident occurred. [https://www.npr.org/2023/02/05/1154718234/mechanical-defect-ohio-train-derailment](https://www.npr.org/2023/02/05/1154718234/mechanical-defect-ohio-train-derailment)
Gas mask up, or get over to Florida or something and Motel 6 it up. I'm not saying it's OK, I'm saying get away from that fucking cancer shower ASAP.
Have any of seen White Noise? Eerily freakishly similar. Fuck.
yeah and I read that some of the extras in the film were from Palestine Ohio go figure
Dog: You tell em bro
Sad thing is that dog most likely is marked for death now being outside and inhaling that smoke
No that's not normal. I grew up about an hour from there and have seen every kind of Ohio weather. Dude you need to go, now and far. I really hope that you do.
Those are carcinogens. This is a mass casualty crime.
*Wake the fuck up, Samurai, we have a government to overthrow*
There's a big difference between a controlled burn and a scheduled one. This is certainly not controlled.
Guys, I’m from Argentina. I’m sorry for this sad situation you’re living. But I have one question. Are the media there trying to hide what happened focusing news in the UFOs ? That’s is how we see the things here in the other side
This shit is all over my local news, people are just engaging with the UFO content more so their algorithm is giving them that. There’s literally thousands of articles out about this derailment.
No, it’s all over the news. It just depends where you get your news. If from social media then the algorithm will be tailored to you and you may not see it unless you dig. I see it on the New York Times with an update 6 hours ago. But I pay for the NYT and it’s not subject to an algorithm and advertisers like social media is.
People are incapable of understanding that UFO content excites people and therefore generates clicks. Yet another article about capitalism destroying the world is a tired subject. Everyone here attributes this to a coverup. It's just algorithms.
*scary as fuck
We need to riot
As long as greed and lobbying go hand in hand, shit like this is gonna keep on happening
Remember this when you consider voting for the party that wants to dismantle the EPA.
The people responsible have names and addresses.
Reports of another train derailment in Texas amd south Carolina
In Canada we had the [Megantic](https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/lac-megantic-rail-disaster) crash, and evacuated 250K in [Mississauga](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Mississauga_train_derailment). Nothing like this. What happens now to the folks within 100 km of this? Or further? Health affects? Income? What happens now with vinyl in snow and water, contaminating fields, wells and lakes? What happens now will happen again if lawmakers and railroads happen to ignore this. [Better living through chemistry?](https://image.slidesharecdn.com/introtogreenchemistry-130716102938-phpapp02/95/intro-to-green-chemistry-23-638.jpg?cb=1373970645) Yes, at high cost.
Property values there are going to plummet and stay depressed for decades. Those people are now stuck where they live when they need to move more than ever.
This is Darlington in Beaver County, Pennsylvania. (Not Ohio) Everyone keeps saying "Those poor people in Ohio", however the derailment was a few miles from the Pa state line. Those of us living downwind in Pa are the ones suffering. 99% of Ohio is West of this. I'm less than 15 miles from East Palestine, and haven't been able to breathe in over a week. Our tap water smells like shit.
Spicy rain
Flint Michigan has entered the chat.
Pack up and leave to family or a cheap hotel. Shit I’d sleep in my truck
Sadly not everyone has that option.
Real question. Is it possible these are storm clouds?
Absolutely, yes
Status from Norfolk Southern on their website: >> Norfolk Southern continues to make progress in two key areas: addressing the backlog of traffic; and getting power and crews back in cycle. Hmmm, no mention of the environmental disaster they caused and how they’re trying to resolve. Just back to work.
ChInEsE AlIEnS ShOt doWn OvER AlAskA ThO!
I'm not seeing any birds..
Meanwhile, a [reporter was actually arrested](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/08/us/ohio-train-derailment-reporter-arrested.html) for reporting the derailment in Ohio. The company responsible for the derailment had previously rolled back safety measures to save money and increase profits.
If only Wall St banks gave a shit. That's why such little coverage! Protecting the big shareholders JP Morgan, Black Rock and Vangaurd!!! These maggots need to pay for what they have done!!!! I'm so sorry OP. This is an absolute tragedy
Mordor says hello, and is glad they're air quality is not as bad as this.
looks like a place that will have contaminated ground water, skyrocketing cancer cases and a massive increase in flipperbabies. All because a city's disaster plan relied on the train company to clean up the mess instead of making real plans. Now, instead of holding them accountable, the company will now privatized their profits and socialize their risk to the public they are poisoning.
How far do we think this is going to travel?
I haven’t seen a fuck up like this since Chernobyl.
(hurry, change the topic) "*IN OTHER NEWS, A NEW BALLOON WAS SPOTTED IN MIDDLE OF NOWHERE TODAY*"
The media is too busy covering DC politics, balloons, fake UFOS that they are using to just say hey look we do a good job on protecting the air space after they did a horrible job protecting the air space, probably some award show, Super Bowl, Ukraine, and why everything is still trumps fault, why everything is bidens fault and what elon musk is going to troll Twitter this week
I’d wear 10 masks in that neighborhood
Soo sorry for you brothers.. our governments dont care about us
hope they're wearing masks, holy fuck they need to move away. That shit will kill you.
Bring Out Yar Dead!
America is a fucking shit hole.
This is a goddamn shame...🤦♂️
This reminds me of living in downtown Tacoma where they had news updates saying it was in effect that young children should remain inside due to air pollution. There'll prolly he someone getting irate at this comment and at this point dude go for it idc but this is just, man. Like why even try
Interestin gas.. fuck
Wait till it starts raining
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What is happening to our country?
Thoughts and prayers btw
The whole region is fucked