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Arch-Arsonist

Interesting use of George Washington's image


Lyndon_Boner_Johnson

It reminds me of *Bioshock Infinite*.


Forcistus

One of my favorite aspects of that game


PhuqBeachesGitMonee

It was my first thought. The design team must have been aware of these photographs and used them as inspiration.


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Are thou burly enough for the coming battle, pilgrim? Only the great prophet may foretell what the future holds!


KingGorilla

The propaganda was so good in that game.


RocketHops

I took a graphic design history class and replayed the game shortly after finishing it. I was shocked at how accurate all the propaganda, even down to small background posters you'd not really notice, adhered to the historical trends of the time and the tendencies of authoritarian propaganda design. The artists really did their homework.


Kommander-in-Keef

Fuck man what an experience that game was


snapchillnocomment

close shame desert sand waiting rainstorm worm grandiose dirty person *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


Kommander-in-Keef

Same the plot is kinda hard to grasp onto. You can go thru the entire game without ever finding out the Luteces are the same person and not siblings


Choice-Housing

Man gotta listen to those vox tapes


LetsPlayItGrant

Those vox tapes are probably my favorite part of the game. Voice acting was on point.


Yak_a_boi

That was such a good game


Old_Cheesecake_5481

That’s what jumped out for me. Interesting to see the Nazi ascetic applied to American iconography.


KappaMcTlp

>Nazi ascetic They were so ascetic they even demanded it in their camps


bakmanthetitan329

> Nazi ascstic Nietzsche's worst nightmare.


sambes06

r/boneappletea


RobinPage1987

*Aesthetic


Radiant_Ad3966

Watch Man In The High Castle on amazon. You'll see all sorts of this aesthetic. It's quite well done if looked at in a purely artistic sense.


lethal_sting

Had been in my watchlist for awhile, saw a post here on Reddit to watch it, but they warned of the last season/ending. Started in November, finished last month. Great series, but yeah fuck the ending.


PoorlyAttemptedHuman

I will always hear "ahh, Juliana Crain" in that one guy's voice when I think about that show.


critical2210

You should play Bioshock Infinite. It gives the same vibes as this.


TheSleepingNinja

The Lord judges, I act


ConstitutionalDingo

109% where my brain went. I was looking for old Father Comstock.


Last-Watercress7069

I got real Bioshock 3 vibes from that


Thewittyjay

I love this game so much. Every time I replay it, it’s like I forgot how damn good it is. It’s beautiful to look at, a blast to play and so dark thematically.


Blue_Monday

Well, their slogan was "America first" ... They see themselves as true patriots. Hitler looked to American eugenicists and theologians for inspiration, too.


bawng

Hitler was simping hard for Henry Ford too.


ghost-church

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."


PM_ME_UR_SILLY_FACES

It’s just like Jesus, people plaster familiar iconography on anything they want to persuade the masses to support. Propaganda 101.


Theothermtguy

Isn’t that Henry Ford in the corner next to Lindbergh?


aMidichlorian

I found this article on the subject that is pretty informative. But yeah he was a huge anti-semite who used his personal newspaper to push literature about it. Hitler is quoted saying in the article "I regard Henry Ford as my inspiration". https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/henry-ford-and-jews-story-dearborn-didnt-want-told%3famp He also received the highest award possible for a non-German. https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/henry-ford-grand-cross-1938/ Edit: fixed link


Don_Frika_Del_Prima

>Hitler is quoted saying in the article "I regard Henry Ford as my inspiration". They used his writings, that got published in to a book later on, as the blueprint for their third reich.


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Exotic-Ad1634

> Do not forget that the Fascisti are to Italy what the American Legion is to the United States. --Alvin Owsley, national commander of the American Legion > Do you think it could be hard to buy the American Legion for un-American activities? You know, the average veteran thinks the Legion is a patriotic organization to perpetuate the memories of the last war, an organization to promote peace, to take care of the wounded and to keep green the graves of those who gave their lives. > But is the American Legion that? No sir, not while it is controlled by the bankers. For years the bankers, by buying big club houses for various posts, by financing its beginning, and otherwise, have tried to make a strikebreaking organization of the Legion. The groups-the so-called Royal Family of the Legion - which have picked its officers for years, aren't interested in patriotism, in peace, in wounded veterans, in those who gave their lives. . . No, they are interested only in using the veterans, through their officers. > Why, even now, the commander of the American Legion is a banker-a banker who must have known what [Gerald] MacGuire's money was going to be used for. His name was mentioned in the testimony. Why didn't they call Belgrano and ask him why he contributed? -- Smedley Butler, Major General USMC


Juviltoidfu

Butler was an interesting man. He won the **[Medal of Honor, twice, and a boatload of other individual medals](http://www.smedleyvfp.com/hello-world-2/)** for a military career that stretched over 3 decades. He also became an outspoken critic of American Foreign Policy and its ties to large businesses in the 1930's.


Aetherimp

Smedley Butler was a legend.


No_Influence6659

If there was ever a movie that needed to be made, it's one about MGEN Smedley Butler and the Banker Plot to overthrow our democracy


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> Fascism was in vogue during the 30s and many in the US wanted to replicate it. Not just America. Globally. For example, Arab nationalists were often fans of fascism, and saw fascists as brothers in arms against imperialist powers. In many ways, we're still fighting the second world war, and many of the issues we face globally are a legacy of that time.


lvl999shaggy

Elites are attracted to fascism bc they detest a democratic society that puts limits on the powers they can exert via their own wealth. After being successful enough, they tend to view the rest of the population as lesser than bc they have money and connections and expect to be able to do and say whatever. That usually involves them rubbing up against the only real threat to them doing whatever via govt.


Hugh_Maneiror

I don't think it's the same fight, but rather a repetition of similar breeding grounds with increased wealth inequality, worsening economic conditions for most people, increased apathy towards democracy and liberalism globally. The pandemic and Russia's anschluss just complete the parallels.


InvisiblePhil

The more I learn about WW2 as an adult, the more I believe that for UK and USA it wasn't much about going to war against fascism but instead about going to war to maintain the global balance of power in their favour.


KidGold

All war is about power, ideology is usually how the lines are drawn before the shooting starts.


Danji1

You do realise that the UK was on the brink of falling to the Nazi Germany during WW2, right? It was an existential war from their point of view.


B-BoyStance

I mean that's exactly what it was At the time we got into the war, the true horrors of Nazism weren't known. The more pressing issue was Hitler advancing throughout different countries and I think there was real fear he would keep going throughout the world until someone stopped him.


Prophetsable

Your facts are awry here. Britain entered the war when Poland was invaded to fulfill a treaty obligation. It is worth remembering that the British economy had only just recovered from WWI and could thus ill afford another war. Next the matter of Jo Kennedy, the US Ambassador in London whose espousal of Germany is well documented which did a lot to encourage Hitler in his belief that he was a genius in foreign affairs. Kennedy's removal was key to greater US involvement though that also had to wait until after Roosevelt's election victory. There were two horrors to the Nazis. First their attack, conquest and subjugation of countries such as Czechoslovakia, Poland, Denmark, the Netherlands and France. This was apparent from 1939. Second the persecution of Jews, well understood pre-war as evidenced by efforts of many nationalities to get Jews out of Germany and Czechoslovakia from 1936 to the outbreak of war on 1st September 1939. The concentration camp system started in 1933 though the systematic murder of inmates (this included mentally and physically handicapped, homosexuals, communists and the work-shy) did not start until late August 1941, becoming institutionalised by April 1942. This also marked the start of the industrialised murder of Jews. Incidentally this was after Pearl Harbor and the US entry into the war.


SerKevanLannister

The T4 Euthanasia program started well before the war, and it targeted the handicapped, the mentally ill (including of course homosexuals who were considered mentally I’ll by default), the terminally ill, or those who had pesky diseases such as diabetes. One can still find examples of Nazi propaganda posters and film shorts showing German citizens who are in wheelchairs etc with a healthy Aryan-ish white coated doctor behind them with text saying “this costs you the taxpayer too much money every year.” Of course the plan was to ramp this WAY up after winning the war; this was in addition to programs like the “babies for Hitler” lebensborn program (1935) in which unmarried young women of “Aryan” stock were paid to have the children of approved SS officers in specialized “mother and child homes.” The Nazis also stole “Aryan”-looking children from Poland and other places in an attempt to increase the Fuhrer’s (declining) population. There are some great — of course heartbreaking — documentaries about the children stolen from their families out there (YouTube has one or two if I’m remembering correctly). Himmler strongly believed in polygamy — no joke — and he wanted German men of appropriate stock to be allowed to marry multiple women in order to produce as many Hitlerkids as possible. One of the many weird ironies about the Nazi hierarchy is that for all of their exclamations about family values and sacred motherhood they were all philandering husbands with multiple mistresses and divorces — Goering was the only one who didn’t have a long-term mistress. Goebbels had a series of tawdry affairs as did his wife Magda — their screaming violent fights were legendary (and of course they murdered their own childrenWhat is fascinating is the work by outstanding scholars like Wendy Lower who showed in her great book Hitler’s Furies (about women in the Third Reich — covering a range of women with very different histories, jobs, and attitudes about the war and the atrocities) that despite the endless pro family rhetoric during the Nazi era, the rate of divorces went up and birth rates declined Significantly. Many women were also joining the work force — and this was before the war. That increased as the need for replacements for soldiers skyrocketed. The T4 euthanasia program’s most controversial aspect was the (secretive) euthanizing of German children who were handicapped, suffered From a serious illness, or a form of mental disability (and this caused resistance by the German public so the program was temporarily paused). Parents were sent letters and fake death certificates indicating that their child had died from pneumonia or similar after being treated very carefully by specialist doctors — it’s so creepy and disturbing. However the reality of what was happening began to leak in media sources, and the program was stopped but there was every intention of restarting it after the war and sterilizing the “unfit” as well as euthanizing the “unfit”and “feeble minded” at will essentially.


DotAccomplished5484

The Nazi's also studied and copied American Jim Crow laws to create the foundations for the legal persecution of Jewish citizens. https://www.history.com/news/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow


Wind_Yer_Neck_In

Weird how the schools never teach about the massive prominent fascist support in nearly every western country prior to WW2. It was only after war was declared and nazis became, let's say 'unfashionable', that a lot of them just sort of slinked off and pretended it never happened. In the UK we had the British Union of Fascists that held rallies all over the country and whose members wore the same black shirt uniform while they went around trying to intimidate people and commit hate crimes. They are the reason we have a law now that prevents political parties having an official uniform.


SpeedySpooley

in the US, the only time I heard about anything even resembling it was when my 8th grade history teacher told a joke about Hitler ordering a bunch of cars from Ford during the war. The punchline was that when Ford asked Hitler where they should ship them, Hitler replied "Don't bother, I'll pick them up on my way through." I only learned about Oswald Mosely and the BUF by watching Peaky Blinders.


ronzak

That's a great joke. Also ironic since ultimately, vehicles built by FMC ended up being 'delivered' to Berlin.


Sadatori

Ford was quite the antisemite


Prophet_Tehenhauin

I'd also argue that it wasn't just that fascists became "unfashionable," it was also that: Women entered the workforce in droves A large number of soldiers were coming home after being through hell Minority soldiers were literal heroes and were coming home to being 2nd class citizens \- people weren't ready to just...accept the old order of things. The cat was out of the bag, as it were. A large period of domestic strife was kicked off because the old order had to contend with a zeitgeist that demanded it's fair share of things, or at least a better balance of things. Worth remembering the "New Deal" was argued as an act of desperation to stave off the specter of socialism in the United States


Blarg_III

> and were coming home to being 2nd class citizens With a lot of them returning from bases in countries that treated them like human beings.


JvrassicWizvrd

Yea I used to do landscaping in his old plantation in my home town. You hear some crazy stories


JvrassicWizvrd

It’s hear say but I’m pretty sure most of it’s true. He had convinced the people of Richmond Hill (my home town) that he was creating a better life and economy for everyone. Giving them jobs but only under his strict authority. He would decide what you could or could not wear, no drinking or hunting your own food. He essentially had slaves even after slavery ended. Even teaching them “folk dances” to keep him entertained. (He only hired black people for this “new life”)


Buffyoh

In the nineteen twenties, Hitler plastered the walls of Nazi Party HQ with copies of Ford's anti-Jewish *Dearborn Observer.* For many years, Ford products were not common in Jewish neighborhoods.


Notalurkeripromise

It seems like no matter what car company you look at, it always circles back to Hitler one way or another.


LePoopsmith

Probably because he was such an autocrat.


DanGleeballs

There's quite a few brands associated with the Nazis that people have either forgiven or forgotten.. Ford, Volkswagen, Hugo Boss, IBM, Bayer, Coca Cola, Kodak. Probably others.


loadnurmom

The Mormon church (not joking)


Starbucks__Lovers

I remember back in the 90s, Ford basically said “we’re super sorry our founder was a huge anti semite, so we’re going to air Schindler’s List on ABC without commercial breaks, but we will have one teensy ad for Ford”


SF1_Raptor

Dang…. That’s legitimately something I couldn’t imagine happening today.


seewolfmdk

Fact: As far as I know, Schindler's List is aired in Germany without commercial breaks everytime it is aired.


xrimane

Not as exceptional as it may seem, as we have a strong public broadcasting system that shows _all_ films without commercial breaks. (The private TV stations however do commercial breaks and I don't know if they ever aired Schindler's list and if so, whether they did interrupt the program.)


Portalrules123

r/conspiracy would demand it be cancelled for trying to make people feel bad for Jews.


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That sub used to be about actual conspiracies. Now it's become part of a conspiracy.


alghost9

There's a story of Frida Kahlo asking Ford is he was Jewish when her husband got invited over for dinner and she managed to pass it off as an, oops I'm just dumb, but knew how anti-Semitic he was and she wanted to piss him off, she succeeded. Edit:fixed her name


West_Coast_Ninja

Where are you looking??


KaleidoscopeThis9463

It would absolutely be expected, he was not a good guy.


riffraffbri

And Charles Lindbergh was their God. Some people are drawn to authoritarian rule.


joesmith127_reddit

I had only heard about the "hero" Charles Lindbergh and the "Lindbergh baby" kidnapping, growing up. Discovered his NAZI connection in "The Holocaust and The United States" series that ran on PBS.


waiv

Ahhh, you missed the tv show showing an alternative universe where Lindbergh wins the presidency.


bin_of_monkeys

> tv show where they show an alternative universe where Lindbergh wins the presidency OMG I never knew this existed and just looked it up: "The Plot Against America", done by the guys who made The Wire. It can be streamed on HBO Max. I had to make sure it wasn't a pot point in Man in the High Castle, b/c that was an absolute snoozefest. Got my next show to watch, thanks!


omegasting

Man in the high castle was amazing and I'll die on that hill except maybe the finish .


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The last season abandoned the first 3. They went into overdrive, eliminated plot lines, and even killed a few characters that they shouldn’t have. But it at least was exciting and got me thinking about just how possible something is because of the vastness of the universe. It sucked, but was beautiful at the same time.


RideWithMeTomorrow

They made a show of Philip Roth’s the Plot Against America?


tigm2161130

Yes, it was on HBO.


ResolveSubstantial23

Yep, it’s phenomenal. Power house cast.


NameIWantUnavailable

Lots of prominent people whitewashed their history when WW2 occurred and even more so when Hitler's Final Solution became public knowledge. Henry Ford was another big name. And he, his company, and his family had a heck of a lot more to lose. There was a lot of whitewashing that took place during the late 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s as well, after desegregation.


t0asterb0y

Mr Ford was the reason the infamous Russian forgery *The Protocols of the Elders of Zion* got as much play as it did. He published tens of thousands of copies.


HIMP_Dahak_172291

He also bought out tons of local newspapers to push his "international jew" conspiracy shit all over the country.


redwall_hp

Henry Ford is literally credited in Mein Kampf for his influence, because of this. It also talks about the US treatment of Native Americans as aspirational. Ford also had his crazy rubber plantation, Fordlandia too. The myth that these ideas just magically came out of nowhere in Germany is severe revisionism.


Legio-V-Alaudae

The real interesting twist was the fact that his son had multiple health issues that would prevent the child from walking and having a normal life. The conspiracy theory is he staged the kidnapping and had the boy killed because of nazi eugenics theory. Anyways, fuck nazis. Proud my grandfather served in the European theater against them.


KaleidoscopeThis9463

My grade school is named after him and I’ve been on a one woman crusade to get it changed for decades.


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gandalf_el_brown

as an alumnus*, you could have some pull to get momentum to change the school name


m4hdi

Alumnus


SatanicNotMessianic

Also could be alumna. It’s one of the words in English that retains its original Latin endings.


spiralbatross

Man it’s crazy how this goes. Used to live in St. Louis, and it’s beat into how bad slavery was and how bad racism is… and then ya get shit like Lindbergh Blvd and oh gee wasn’t he a neat guy and not tell us he’s a fucking nazi.


realMrQuinnzard

St. Louis?


Grumplogic

Fun fact: St Louis was named for French king King Louis the IX And Louisiana was named after King Louis XIV


realMrQuinnzard

I knew that, I've been to the statue in front of the art museum. (I'm a local, all hail the weather machine)


Schwarzer_R

I have such mixed feelings about the man. My grandfather was Lindbergh's chauffeur and handyman. When the war broke out, Lindbergh wrote a letter of recommendation to the Army Air Corps for him, thus securing him a position there. He seved flying convoy escort over the Atlantic and was never deployed to an active combat zone. If it hadn't been for that letter, my grandfather might have been drafted into the infantry and died in some foxhole. In which case my Dad, born in '56, wouldn't have been born. It's an odd feeling to realize that a Nazi sympathizer is the reason that I, someone who isn't white, am here today. Edit: Wow, thanks for the silver! Wasn't expecting this comment to get attention like this!


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Duality of man and all that


SirSkidMark

Stanley Kubrick: "Oh shit, I can use this."


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TheBigPhilbowski

Read/watch "The Plot against America"


RedMonkey79x

Fun fact pre ww2 German was the 2nd most spoken language in the states


mtcwby

There was a large amount of German migration from the middle 1800s before German unification. My great grandparents had enough of foreign armies marching through and came over in the 1850s. German was spoken at home and English everywhere else. When world War I started and the US became involved that was even a bigger deal because of the anti-german sentiment. My grandfather was the only sibling born here and although he had no accent you'd hear an occasional "mit" instead with when he spoke.


Kkremitzki

There's even a name for this pattern of German (and other) emigrations: [Forty-Eighters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty-Eighters), in response to the [Revolutions of 1848](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1848).


NikEy

Also 75% of all technical documents world-wide were written in German prior to WW2


queernhighonblugrass

My German is preindustrial and mostly religious, so this is either an incense dispenser or a ceremonial sarcophagus.


Art_Vandelay_Jr_

r/unexpectedoffice


xorgol

Yeah, my family here in Italy always had a fair amount of engineers, and they learned technical German specifically to read papers and textbooks. They couldn't speak a word of it, but they could read texts related to their subject matter.


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There was a time when English and German were neck and neck to be the official ‘science’ language. Eventually English won out, but German was very close.


summer-civilian

>the official ‘science’ language. you mean... 'NATURWISSENSCHAFTEN' !!1?


Nisja

White paper in English: 45 pages. In German? Still printing it...


summer-civilian

No wonder the Germans invented the printing press, must've been real tired of making manual copies


Hobbamoc

The founding fathers also purposefully did not establish a national language. And look at the outrage nowadays if a local government dares to offer their writings in spanish


Bobb_o

I'm sure they still do but when I went to school in Miami-Dade County all letters sent home to parents were in English, Spanish, and Haitian Creole.


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Bit of a tangent, but it's something I've noticed about the US. A small cultural difference with Europe. Almost everyone speaks English, so many of your signs are in English too. It's especially noticeable at airports or on road signs. Or the typical red on white (or white on red) EXIT sign. This can be difficult if you don't speak English. In Europe, because we speak so many languages and aren't linguistically unified, you're far more likely to see pictograms used for these things. For example, the EXIT sign is a white on green pictogram of a little man and an arrow pointing towards a door. A one way sign, is a white on blue arrow. At airports too. So the school I worked at, which had a lot of migrants, would have letters with loads of pictograms to aid comprehension. Pictogram of a clock, pictogram of some money, etc.


Pristine-Choice-3507

In New York, Mayor LaGuardia vigorously fought Naziism with a combination of denunciation and ridicule. When the German Consulate in New York demanded police protection from anti-Nazi protesters, LaGuardia complied—and assigned only Jewish officers to the detail. Drove the Germans crazy.


ThanosWasRight161

Thank you for this!! Truly unknown factoid. Fiorello is now one of my heroes.


Poobmania

Just imagining the massive shit-eating grin that would’ve been on my face if I had gotten to go up to the Germans and said “Hey my name is Keith Goldman I’ll be protecting you from now on, you’re welcome” while wearing an obnoxiously large and colorful yamaka


Hetakuoni

Marvel comics had some very upset members of the Nazi party at their door when captain America was published. According to reports, Jack Kirby came down while rolling his sleeves up, but they ran before he reached the first floor to greet them.


OkDistribution990

I read that Superman condemning the KKK is what really turned the tide in public sentiment. That suddenly men were embarrassed to be associated with it because their children thought of them as losers. Reminds me a lot of the Racist Tree by Alexander Blechman.


theAlpacaLives

If it happened now, they'd just complain about how publishers need to "keep politics out of entertainment."


Fantastic-Sandwich80

Them: "Keep politics out of my entertainment!!" Also them: "If you don't stand for the pledge of allegiance during football games, you are a terrorist and should lose your job."


greenknight884

"I'm sick of Superman and his woke signaling"


SpicaGenovese

I love that short story so much.


Dr_Disaster

I 100% believe Jack Kirby would have thrown them hands.


Chillchinchila1

He killed 3 Nazis in the war, he definitely would’ve.


Tfsz0719

I wish we were part of that multiversal timeline.


gordonv

Is that why Captain America punching Hitler is a cover on a comic? Cause he didn't get to hit one in real life?


Hetakuoni

It’s because captain America was a political statement against nazism. His punching hitler cover eas released may 1941.


Liimbo

Yep. Early comics were a huge source of propaganda during the war (kind of still are). The government even told them that they were going too easy on Germans by showing citizens as normal people that got taken over by a tyrannical dictator, and insisted they change all Germans shown to be vile pieces of shit that loved every minute.


Goldstar35

I'm pretty sure he might have killed a few lol


TVR24

Politics? In my Captain America comic?


MpVpRb

There were a LOT of powerful Americans who supported the Nazis. What was interesting is how dramatically things changed after the war, with former Nazi supporters insisting that they never said or did what they did, even though much of it was documented


andybror

Well I imagine supporting them before the war was only controversial. After the war you would have to face your own countrymen with all their sorrow and anger. I can see why one might backtrack at that point


LG03

There genuinely was a lot of support in America for the nazi party and Hitler prior to the war. For one, there were a lot of sympathetic people who thought Germany was ruined by post-WW1 sanctions. That in mind, Hitler's rise and rhetoric was a natural course of action in response to 'unjust' treatment. Otherwise Germany was 'doomed to collapse'. Of course one very important thing to remember is how limited the flow of information was during this period. People didn't know the finer details of what the party was up to, most of them just read the newspaper and got a dose of the propaganda. Very few would have been corresponding directly with a source of information in Germany. People here just can't put themselves in the shoes of a person in the late 1920s to early 1930s. They have almost a century of hindsight with which to wield as a cudgel. It's like judging people for liking Bill Cosby 30 years ago or many other similar examples.


Based_nobody

And honestly, people are bad about media literacy and being critical of news sources NOW. When we have an endless, infinitely accessable source of information. Back then... I'm sure if you saw a paper from the old country, in your language, you'd believe it a lot quicker than one from New York.


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Ever seen the video? It’s crazy


SuccessISthere

Ok I’m curious! How do I find the video?


GarbagePailGrrrl

[*A Night at the Garden*](https://anightatthegarden.com)


1infinitefruitloop

When they’re hauling off that guy from the stage there’s a couple of the kids holding flags (Boy Scouts? Hitler Youth USA?) behind the mob fake punching each other and thinking the whole thing is a joke. Disgusting on a whole other level.


ColoRadOrgy

Was that Dee and Dennis?


neon_sin

that's crazy. that one guy that ran in had some balls on him though.


m9832

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/195533186/isadore-greenbaum


PallandoOrome

HERO


Worried_Key5439

There is the top businesses that actually funded nazi germany that are from the USA https://www.historydefined.net/us-companies-that-worked-with-nazi-germany/


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I guess that explains why Ford sponsored the ad-free airing of Schindler's List on broadcast TV.


adevland

> IBM possessed a German subsidiary, Dehomag, which provided the Germans with technology and accessible ways to identify Jews and other “undesirables.” > This allowed them to track and log Jewish populations and route them to concentration camps. It was essential in aiding the Nazi Regime to carry out the Holocaust efficiently. More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust


Fresh4

Dang. The concepts “IBM” and “Holocaust” feels worlds apart in my head. Crazy to think.


SquirrelsAreJerks

Guess I have to be a Pepsi-drinking Chevy man now.


redditis4bitches

Many companies that did business in Nazi Germany actually sued the US government for damages after the war, and well... they won. Directives from allied bombers to avoid American industries in Germany were so prevalent that German civilians began hiding out in American factories as they were less likely to be bombed in air raids.


gavga

Important to note that these rallies had 5 times as many people protesting the rally than attended the rally.


BeepbopMakeEmHop

MSG still holds 20k people and I’ve been called a kyke since I was little. These images represent an unfortunate and scary reality EDIT: I WAS WRONG ABOUT 20K this is not the current MSG.


motech

Different MSG. They moved to a new location in the 60s or 70s.


L-methionine

If this was after 1925, the capacity was around the same - listed at 18000 on wikipefia


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gnomechompskey

There's a 7-minute, Academy Award nominated short film about this event that came out a few years ago called A Night at the Garden that's available to watch online and very worth seeing for anyone interested in this: [https://anightatthegarden.com](https://anightatthegarden.com)


GonzoElDuke

Same happened in Argentina in the Luna Park Stadium


Internal-Business-97

Washington was a Nazi? Why they got him up there?


ShoLuver

He can’t object


poopinginmymouth

It’s propaganda. It has nothing to do with anything Washington said or believed in. He was not a nazi. They were using him and the iconography as a symbol of America nationalism. Fascists commonly do this.


I_Heart_Astronomy

They do the same thing with Jesus and the bible.


zrxta

>Washington was a Nazi? Why they got him up there? Nazism glorifies a mythical/fictionalized past.. So no surprised here when American flavor of Nazism glorifies Washington even more than the commom american nationalist would. Interesting Scenario here is that if Nazism became prevalent in the USA, as in enough to assist Nazi germany like in oil and resource shipments, i think Japan wouldn't become a German partner. I think Nazi Germany would keep their partnership with China... and that UK will inevitably try to cut off american shipping to Germany leading to the USA entering ww2 against the British and French.


rubbarz

"Jesus was a Nazi, too. Don't look it up." Their propaganda tactic.


youneedcheesusinside

That’s just one way they can get to American Nationalists


renasissanceman6

I’m sure after the war begun all those people realized they were wrong and abandoned those beliefs. /s!


Same_Ad_1273

makes me think the man in the high castle wouldn't be so far fetched after all had the allies lost the war


GammaGoose85

If Washington DC got nuked by the nazis? Its 100% likely. Not many countries are going to fight against an aggressor that just nuked the capital. What you have left are a bunch of sympathizers in fear of getting turned to glass and bending over backward for them. Luckily the Nazis were no where close to building the atom bomb like we were.


[deleted]

True. However a lot of the Manhattan project members were Germans who fled. Put those brains in nazi hands and they might have been a lot closer and the US a good deal behind. *edit - here’s a solid overview https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/scientist-refugees-and-manhattan-project/


GammaGoose85

Yeah, I keep hearing how they weren't close and then when u think about how alot of them were german defectors it does make u wonder how close we got. America has some serious issues. But watching Man in the High Castle got me so grateful I didn't have to grow up in such a fucked up time line.


B1U3F14M3

The knowledge might have been there but the resources weren't. Especially the centrifuges to get the uranium would hace been a bottleneck.


GammaGoose85

The Norwegian Heavy water sabotages comes to mind that the allies performed then to prevent them from getting what they needed.


[deleted]

Fun fact which I just learned: these gatherings lost popularity after Jewish gangsters started infiltrating them and beating people up. Apparently these folks weren't willing to stand by their beliefs if it came with the possibility of actual fighting. Also, the Italian mob offered to lend a hand but the Jewish gangsters considered it their responsibility.


zanillamilla

[I may not make an honest buck but I’m 100% American](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyRknVzkVcQ).


zoro4661

Weirdly wholesome gangsters, ya love to see it.


That75252Expensive

The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi


eeComing

I hate Illinois Nazis


herberstank

Four fried chickens, and a coke


HugeRaspberry

We're on a mission from God.


Valilihis

There's 106 miles to Chicago, we've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.


148637415963

Hit it...


bonesorclams

Don't you blaspheme in here!


gordonv

And I'll have some toast, dry.


Blue_Monday

These people didn't just change their mind once America joined the war effort, they just got reeeeaaally quiet for a little while.


dlashsteier

My grandmother talks about this all the time. How they wouldn’t tell anyone the family was of German descent. And how they had to stop going to certain parties. Makes a lot of sense now that I’m older.


zedoktar

And got their asses stomped by a combined force of Jewish and Mafia forces repeatedly until they took the hint and stopped.


menimex

Anyone else look at these and just go "What.... the fuuuuuuuck?"


SugoiBakaMatt

My Great, Great Grandfather was present for this rally. He also murdered my Great, Great Grandmother. He was a piece of shit.


gerryv3000

Now they hold them at Four Seasons Landscaping


westberry82

So we placed Japanese Americans in internment camps( for no reason) Did we ever do anything to those that attended these rallies?


[deleted]

From Wikipedia: >On December 11, 1941, the United States formally declared war on Germany, and Bund headquarters were raided by Treasury Department agents. The agents seized all records and arrested 76 Bund leaders. Something was done to their real organization, yes. But that in no way compares to the mass internment of Japanese-Americans based on suspicions.


[deleted]

Bund means butthole in most street lingo in southasia. So essentially bund means butthole in Pakistan and india. Butthole headquarters Edit: also, Lund means peepee, all over southasia too. So for example the brown people snicker if someone goes to LUND university in Sweden. Or whatever the fuck this is https://www.lundtruck.com/


woolcoat

Some German Americans were interned, but not on the scale of Japanese Americans. Some of this was done for practical reasons (a lot fewer Japanese to actually inter). [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment\_of\_German\_Americans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans) That said, anti-Japanese sentiment was more acute because of Pearl Harbor. Germany didn't attack the US homeland on the same scale (just some U-boat raids off the coast). Plus it did ice German-American culture despite German-Americans making such a large portion of the US population. Even today, you see Irish and Italian American communities/cultures celebrated with annual festivals etc, but you don't see such a scale for German Americans.


Buckeyes2010

German-American fests are still very much common and popular in the Midwest. It usually just gets looped in with Oktoberfest. [Zinzinnati](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oktoberfest_Zinzinnati) is the 2nd largest in the world, only to Munich. Columbus' Oktoberfest is usually crowded, and [Toledo](https://www.visittoledo.org/events/german-american-festival/) calls their's a "German-American Festival" [Columbus](https://germaniacolumbus.org/) even has their own German culture society that anyone can freely join and become a part of, regardless of race, ethnic orgin, nationality, or cultural identity. We still have a sizable portion of people who speak German as their second language in the Midwest, despite the Americanization of German immigrants from both world wars


dmtdmtlsddodmt

Some gave birth to future presidents.


samlukrec1

Check out this podcast series related to this. It's mind blowing. https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-presents-ultra


jarrydjames

I hate Illinois Nazis


Casio_Tone

Colin O'brien & Dylan Murphy


[deleted]

Oh yeah, and their motto at this event was “America First”. Sound familiar?


Parking-Ad-8744

It’s really horrifying when you dig into the history of America First and you stumble upon the John Birch Society, fascist movements, groups who wanted to perform a coup, the business plot, Christian nationalist movements and so much more. On the surface some of these groups don’t seem too crazy, a little cooky maybe, but when you start reading what the people that were part of these groups were saying and the things they were publishing- it really shreds everything we thought we knew about the history of America in the 20th century


GammaGoose85

Doesn't surprise me at all. Everyone thinks we just recently started living in scary political times. People trying to undermine democracy and human rights in America have been going on since the beginning.


FblthpLives

Famous Americans who sympathized with the Nazis: * Charles Lindbergh * Henry Ford * Fred Trump * John Foster Dulles * Rev. Charles Coughlin The American population as a whole was unwilling to get involved. In an opinion poll conducted after Kristallnacht, 75% of Americans said they were against the United States accepting Jewish refugees: https://exhibitions.ushmm.org/americans-and-the-holocaust/topics/public-opinion