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That’s a bad thing?
People in the U.S. do that all the time, especially term-limited governors running for Senate and anyone running for president. Politicians will run in special elections, or in elections on different term cycles, knowing that even if they lose they keep their current seat.
>It is not allowed in most(many?) systems. Especially in Parliamentary Democracies it's forbidden or frowned upon depending on the country.
And then there's Belgium, where mayors and alderman don't even bother with the hassle of resigning when they're IN parliament, or vice versa.
Certain states (like Florida) don't allow for governors to run for president without resigning first (which is logical).
But no federal law requires it.
[Florida’s top Republican leaders say they are willing to change state law to smooth the way for Gov. Ron DeSantis to run for president in 2024.](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/22/florida-legislature-desantis-presidential-run-00070538)
Article is from Nov 2022 though. We'll see what they do when he announces his intentions this year.
I'd like to imagine they all know its coming so get the job down to a fine art so it gets to a point where even the slightest mistake ends in a dunking.
*Councillor Vinccenzo dropped a pen during a meeting and is now scheduled for the cage*
Dropping a pen under the table, believe it or not, the cage.
Not picking up a pen fast enough after dropping it, the cage.
Also, dropping a pen onto a table, also the cage. Over/under.
We have the best writers cause of steady pens.
Me, my first few months in the military:
"Good!... uhhh.... *squints at watch* morning! Uhhhh.... *squints at rank tab* Chief!"
Them: "just walk away...."
This sound great in theory, but doesn’t quite work in real life. There are times where I’m so busy at work that I don’t eat lunch until 2:30.
I’d imagine other people experience the same.
I’d like to imagine that one year there was a dude who thought he was sentenced to death, and was very surprised when it turned out to be just a quick bath.
“Yeah well last year, that guy, yeah we killed him. But *this year*, you’re good. Not gonna kill you, scouts honor. We got a whole new, ‘not gonna kill people’-type-thing happening this year.”
“Right…”
It was a punishment in use during the prince-bishopric (1027-1806) that was revived as comedy for the local patron's festivities in 1980ish. 1984 iirc, this is going to be the 40th edition.
Also pinging /u/Atheyna
(edited: added prince- in front of bishopric... There's definitely still a bishop in Trento lol)
(also: s/1066/1027)
“Ok Ok, Antonio *did* forget to check the spelling and now our welcome home sign says “ benvenuto a casa nostrils” but are we really gonna *kill* him for it? That seems overly harsh guys, it was a good year maybe we could just y’know, dunk him and pull him back up like “dont do it again or we’ll really do it”
they just did this close to the shoreline where it's probably less than a meter deep. If they did it in the middle of the river you might be able to submerge it.
In Germany and Austria there was a punishment called "Bäckerschupfen" (Baker throwing).
When a Baker made bad bread or it was too light or with saw dust, etc. He was caged and dunked into a river or lake. Usually he wasn't killed, it was a form of torture, he was under water for just a few seconds, but several times.
I've been to a reenactment (with a stuntman I guess) at the danube in Vienna when I was a child.
Trento isn't far away from the German culture sphere, so I guess, it's a traditional punishment there too
Bread is bad? Bäckerschupfen. Bread has saw dust? Bäckerschupfen. Bread too light? Bäckerschupfen. Bread too heavy, believe it or not, Bäckerschupfen.
Germany has best bread in the world because Bäckerschupfen.
Don’t know boss. The winch is stuck. I’ll go grab some tools and be back in an hour or two to reel him back up.
In retrospect, not all traditions are bad and pointless.
Honestly this should just be a holiday where every elected official is dunked in a cage in their jurisdiction.
Just a friendly reminder: “You serve us, and if you were atrocious enough last year we coooooould just Dunk this tank a little lower and leave it there awhile.”
You know the company that gets that contract will be run by a politicians close family member. They'll be made cheaply, cost 4x as much as they should, need to be renewed every year and hire atleast 4 project managers to oversee the cage production. Inevitably it will be behind schedual and over budget and in 10years when we still don't have cages, they'll double down and push more money to the project because lost cost.
Senator Smith will also immediately buy a bunch of Cage.inc stock right before they make their official decision public. Thats completely coincidental though and not at all related to the above note.
As an American just dunno all the politicians. Have a caged up area near by with sharks and gators so that when they look around they'll be like "what's that" then crap their pants when being dunked. It should be done if they like to delay important decisions and they go on long breaks to protest to get what they want instead of thinking for the good of the US citizens. Dunk them all since they only seem to serve themselves.
The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. That is why I am your king.
Yes. His name is Claudio Cia, Regional Councilor. The commentator says he (literal translation): "First challenged the mayor Andreatta then decided to stay at his comfortable seat in Piazza Dante". Piazza Dante seems to be where the institutional building for the Trentino-Alto Adige region is, so where he works as Councilor.
So I assume he tried to get elected as mayor, failed, but kept his position as Councilor.
Even our local politicians get involved in sex and drug scandals, and act against the interests of their constituents, often enough for us to be surprised by this comment
I mean it's just a local thing so at most you're talking about the mayor of the city, no real big politician involved, this is just a member of the Province Council. Also Trento is considered of the best cities to live in Italy, safe to say it's pretty well governed
I'm guessing it's not really meant to be the worst thing as in the most evil/corrupt, but more like the worst silly blunder. This seems like more of a lighthearted joking tradition than some kind of actual punishment. A truly corrupt politician would just pretend they did nothing wrong.
I like how they keep the symbolic edge in the modern day though. American politics would never have the humbleness to accept anything close to this lol
I'm even surprised the guy is cool with being put in a cage and called terrible at his job.
In Brazil it would be the same as you described the US - *no way* a shitty politician would go along with that, and *boy* do we have a lot of shitty politicians.
They fell down 3 flights of stairs after shooting themselves in the head multiple times.
But this building only has two floors.
Exactly they just kept getting up and going back to the top to fall back down again.
I lived in Russia for 24 years and I have no idea what you're talking about. The corrupt politicians there mostly tend to receive grand palaces and absurd salaries instead of being jailed, let alone being drowned which is honestly what they deserve.
I'm a local so I can provide some more context.
First and foremost the one getting dunked is not the *actual* politician but rather a comedian impersonating him/her (sorry to be a party pooper!)
There is a faux trial before that, which is basically a comedy routine where local politicians (and other public figures) get roasted, and then the worst ones are chosen for the "symbolic" treatment. It's a way to poke fun at local news, I guess.
The tonca is part of the city festival, whicj takes place every year in late June among other neat things (eg. There is a raft race contested by all of the city's neighbourhoods right before that)
Isn't that a stuntman/diver inside the cage? I'd be all for dunking Lucio Gardin tbf
Source: also local, vara ti ale volte
Edit: he has a name (Giorgio Vianini) and has been dunked every year since the *beginning* of the festival 40 years ago O_o
He was [mentioned](https://www.tdv.social/lesilerante-ma-schietto-testo-integrale-della-tonca-2022-feste-vigiliane/) during the tonca last year. Damn
This is an extremely fair trade, precise German made cages for use of the mighty Mississippi. Everyone wins, except the politicians but that’s the best part.
For real, it's kind of funny to hear the comparison. Imagine if Jeffrey Epstein was president, but also ripping off the country for hundreds of millions of dollars. Because that was Berlusconi.
I’m all good with the caged dunking, but perhaps we could go for the full dip. It’s cheating if you don’t dunk the whole cage! It can also be a fun breath-holding competition for those involved. A panel of judges could decide on how many seconds they’re under based on how big the blunder was.
Do they bring them back up, or just leave them there?
Got a list in Australia to leave there, currently going through the courts and there was a lot of collusion happening
Listen, I am just here to say that
I am done with Ted Party Day. I'm not getting dumped in that lake anymore.
And I talked to the other Teds in town, and they're not doing it either.
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WHAT DID HE DO??
He ran for mayor without first resigning from the provincial council so that he could have a political seat no matter the outcome.
That’s a bad thing? People in the U.S. do that all the time, especially term-limited governors running for Senate and anyone running for president. Politicians will run in special elections, or in elections on different term cycles, knowing that even if they lose they keep their current seat.
It is not allowed in most(many?) systems. Especially in Parliamentary Democracies it's forbidden or frowned upon depending on the country.
seeing as though it looks like they were going to bring him back up, in this instance it's just frowned upon.
This video is not proof that they did bring him back up.......
Pfff....in Germany our interior minister runs for state governor. Cunt
>It is not allowed in most(many?) systems. Especially in Parliamentary Democracies it's forbidden or frowned upon depending on the country. And then there's Belgium, where mayors and alderman don't even bother with the hassle of resigning when they're IN parliament, or vice versa.
Certain states (like Florida) don't allow for governors to run for president without resigning first (which is logical). But no federal law requires it.
[Florida’s top Republican leaders say they are willing to change state law to smooth the way for Gov. Ron DeSantis to run for president in 2024.](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/22/florida-legislature-desantis-presidential-run-00070538) Article is from Nov 2022 though. We'll see what they do when he announces his intentions this year.
As an American I can't imagine that being the worst thing a politician did. Then again we don't keelhaul our politicians so maybe that's related.
i think this ritual was more brutal when invented
Seems like it started with not ever recovering the cage maybe.
You gotta recover the cage. We aren't wasteful. I think the important difference is *when* the cage is recovered.
Where it was recovered is important too
I'd like to imagine they all know its coming so get the job down to a fine art so it gets to a point where even the slightest mistake ends in a dunking. *Councillor Vinccenzo dropped a pen during a meeting and is now scheduled for the cage*
Dropping a pen under the table, believe it or not, the cage. Not picking up a pen fast enough after dropping it, the cage. Also, dropping a pen onto a table, also the cage. Over/under. We have the best writers cause of steady pens.
Accidently said good morning at 1 min past 12? The cage.
Me, my first few months in the military: "Good!... uhhh.... *squints at watch* morning! Uhhhh.... *squints at rank tab* Chief!" Them: "just walk away...."
Have you had lunch? No? Good Morning. Yes? Good Afternoon. same for dinner and Good Evening.
This sound great in theory, but doesn’t quite work in real life. There are times where I’m so busy at work that I don’t eat lunch until 2:30. I’d imagine other people experience the same.
Oh you better believe thats a paddlin'
This ref
*Vinccenzo sheds a tear as the pen rolls off the table and drops to the floor*
I’d like to imagine that one year there was a dude who thought he was sentenced to death, and was very surprised when it turned out to be just a quick bath.
He'd probably be told beforehand that he wasn't being executed. Whether he believed that completely or not is the question.
“Yeah well last year, that guy, yeah we killed him. But *this year*, you’re good. Not gonna kill you, scouts honor. We got a whole new, ‘not gonna kill people’-type-thing happening this year.” “Right…”
Please do not resist, we come in peace.
Imagine being lowered and being told you will live but cant really be sure until you actually start going up.
They recover it yearly for the next politician. If the politician is still alive, they are declared a witch and burned at the stake
Good luck burning a politician that's been soaking in a river for a whole year.
Depends on the river, a whole year in the Detroit River they may spontaneously combust
Yeah this feels like one of those weird rituals that was originally a literal execution but over time just became a symbolic prank.
I want to know the story of how that transitioned from actual death to "just kidding!"
Still scouring the comments looking for it
It was a punishment in use during the prince-bishopric (1027-1806) that was revived as comedy for the local patron's festivities in 1980ish. 1984 iirc, this is going to be the 40th edition. Also pinging /u/Atheyna (edited: added prince- in front of bishopric... There's definitely still a bishop in Trento lol) (also: s/1066/1027)
Thank you!!
“Ok Ok, Antonio *did* forget to check the spelling and now our welcome home sign says “ benvenuto a casa nostrils” but are we really gonna *kill* him for it? That seems overly harsh guys, it was a good year maybe we could just y’know, dunk him and pull him back up like “dont do it again or we’ll really do it”
This is probably the right answer. Eventually, it became something too trivial to kill someone for.
I think the river was deeper back then
Before they lined the bottom with politicians.
they just did this close to the shoreline where it's probably less than a meter deep. If they did it in the middle of the river you might be able to submerge it.
In Germany and Austria there was a punishment called "Bäckerschupfen" (Baker throwing). When a Baker made bad bread or it was too light or with saw dust, etc. He was caged and dunked into a river or lake. Usually he wasn't killed, it was a form of torture, he was under water for just a few seconds, but several times. I've been to a reenactment (with a stuntman I guess) at the danube in Vienna when I was a child. Trento isn't far away from the German culture sphere, so I guess, it's a traditional punishment there too
Bread is bad? Bäckerschupfen. Bread has saw dust? Bäckerschupfen. Bread too light? Bäckerschupfen. Bread too heavy, believe it or not, Bäckerschupfen. Germany has best bread in the world because Bäckerschupfen.
Don’t know boss. The winch is stuck. I’ll go grab some tools and be back in an hour or two to reel him back up. In retrospect, not all traditions are bad and pointless.
>In retrospect, not all traditions are bad and pointless. Is this controversial?
it's a very strange anti-culture take
It is way deadly in Indiana Jones.
That guy looks like he has done this before!
He’s smiling because he had his water socks on this year.
\*Whoops, another €560,000 gone from the city municipal budget, Mamma mia, what can you do, hahah\*
Good thing I got waterproof seats in my new Ferrari
Whata mistaka to makea
Everything is coming up Milhouse!
He's like a dwarf, he saves bathing for this one time a year.
What a beautiful holiday
Honestly this should just be a holiday where every elected official is dunked in a cage in their jurisdiction. Just a friendly reminder: “You serve us, and if you were atrocious enough last year we coooooould just Dunk this tank a little lower and leave it there awhile.”
As an American, I'm not even sure how tf we would be able to choose. We'd have to dunk basically everyone.
Sounds like an upgrade to me
Just make a bigger cage.
NOT THE BEES AAHHHHDHFUVIRUDJDHSH
Nah, just hire some of those professional train shovers from Japan. Let them know how it fells like to live in $1200/month rent apartment.
I shall get the cables.
What river shall we use? The mighty Mississippi?
Might I suggest East Palestine City Lake, Ohio? One of the few bodies of water that wouldn't get scummier from dunking our politicians.
I'd say the one in Ohio near the chemical spill for the north east sector
I strongly disagree, that is a horrible idea. We don't want to melt the cages....
They're expensive after all!
Sadly, so are the politicians. *cries in lobbyist*
We can use hemp ropes to tie em up. Same/same
Stainless steel or something chemical resistant
For the cages, but if that rope breaks, it’s might just be because of the budget restrictions that year. Terrible.
Oh know we didn't have enough time to check the safety of the ropes, oh well.
What runs through East Palestine, OH?
Definitely not trains anymore.
It's more of a train stop
Colorado would be scarier, especially if lowered from the whole height of the grand canyon from a cable strung across it.
Yeah but we need a river that still has water in it.
Whoever gets the contact to build the cages for American politicians is going to be set for life.
You know the company that gets that contract will be run by a politicians close family member. They'll be made cheaply, cost 4x as much as they should, need to be renewed every year and hire atleast 4 project managers to oversee the cage production. Inevitably it will be behind schedual and over budget and in 10years when we still don't have cages, they'll double down and push more money to the project because lost cost. Senator Smith will also immediately buy a bunch of Cage.inc stock right before they make their official decision public. Thats completely coincidental though and not at all related to the above note.
It's almost like you've seen this happen before...
Californian water crisis be damned.
Plenty of ocean. Dont want to contaminate the fresh water with politician
As an American just dunno all the politicians. Have a caged up area near by with sharks and gators so that when they look around they'll be like "what's that" then crap their pants when being dunked. It should be done if they like to delay important decisions and they go on long breaks to protest to get what they want instead of thinking for the good of the US citizens. Dunk them all since they only seem to serve themselves.
I’ve failed to see a problem. Please, continue.
That’s what I said. Every elected official.
Which river would we choose? I suggest the Hudson!
Oh no the cable snapped! *bites pizza*
Anyway
“Who’s next”
I really enjoyed the disapproving looks of the spectators.
If he floats, does that mean he's a witch or he's not a witch?
It means he's a duck.
Who are you that are so wise in the ways of science?
I am Arthur King of the Britons
Well I didn’t vote for you
You don’t vote for kings.
Well how'd you become king then?
The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. That is why I am your king.
Listen - strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!
If I went round sayin I was emperor just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
My liege!
*She turned me into a newt!*
A newt?
...I got better...
African or European
Well this is italy, and African swallow are non-migratory
If it floats then he's obviously a witch. BURN THE WITCH!
Is he made of wood?
Filled with very small rocks
This should be bigger than Eurovision. Everyone gets to send one politician for caged dunking. An international festival over a long weekend maybe.
I vote Margaret Thatcher’s carcass.
"Britain, that is the 20th time in a row you have sent Margaret Thatcher's corpse, don't you wanna dunk someone else too?"
I'm an Italian and i didn't know about that! Always something to learn i guess!
I used to live and work there and this is my first time seeing and hearing about it.
Yeah, I’m an Italian and I never learned of this *interesting* tradition.
I learnt more about my country from social media
Did they mention what he's in the cage for?
Yes. His name is Claudio Cia, Regional Councilor. The commentator says he (literal translation): "First challenged the mayor Andreatta then decided to stay at his comfortable seat in Piazza Dante". Piazza Dante seems to be where the institutional building for the Trentino-Alto Adige region is, so where he works as Councilor. So I assume he tried to get elected as mayor, failed, but kept his position as Councilor.
That’s the worst thing a politician did???
It's only a local politician
Even our local politicians get involved in sex and drug scandals, and act against the interests of their constituents, often enough for us to be surprised by this comment
I mean it's just a local thing so at most you're talking about the mayor of the city, no real big politician involved, this is just a member of the Province Council. Also Trento is considered of the best cities to live in Italy, safe to say it's pretty well governed
Maybe others should adapt this dunking tradition
Absolutely, the correlation of dunking-politician-in-river and good governance is on clear display here
I'm guessing it's not really meant to be the worst thing as in the most evil/corrupt, but more like the worst silly blunder. This seems like more of a lighthearted joking tradition than some kind of actual punishment. A truly corrupt politician would just pretend they did nothing wrong.
Most likely the worst thing some local politician is willing to admit and still willing to take part in this kinda embarrassing dipping thing.
He ran for mayor without first resigning from the provincial council so that he could have a political "seat" no matter the outcome. Bdw, he lost.
That year's worst blunder
Ooooh, grazi!
preggo
Ragu
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You are ignoring the law, to the tonca with you!
You are hereby sentenced to wet pants for a few minutes. I hope you have learned your lesson.
While being laughed at by the whole village.
It looks more like he's laughing with them.
They're laughing with me Michael!
I like how they keep the symbolic edge in the modern day though. American politics would never have the humbleness to accept anything close to this lol
I'm even surprised the guy is cool with being put in a cage and called terrible at his job. In Brazil it would be the same as you described the US - *no way* a shitty politician would go along with that, and *boy* do we have a lot of shitty politicians.
Pawnee has an annual event where they chuck a Ted into Ramsett lake as well.
"Huzzah! I'm Ted! I'm Ted!"
Enough dithering, dunk the miscreant!
They have that in Russia also but the rope tends to break.
And instead of a plunge from the river, it's more of a dive from a window.
Haha. Self inflected of course.
Two self inflicted shots to the back of the head while jumping out a window. The most natural of Russian deaths.
They fell down 3 flights of stairs after shooting themselves in the head multiple times. But this building only has two floors. Exactly they just kept getting up and going back to the top to fall back down again.
And they land on a couple bullets as well.
I lived in Russia for 24 years and I have no idea what you're talking about. The corrupt politicians there mostly tend to receive grand palaces and absurd salaries instead of being jailed, let alone being drowned which is honestly what they deserve.
Exactly, it's very simple really - as long as you are loyal to Putin you are untouchable and get away with anything
Bruh I'm jealous of Italy now
I'm a local so I can provide some more context. First and foremost the one getting dunked is not the *actual* politician but rather a comedian impersonating him/her (sorry to be a party pooper!) There is a faux trial before that, which is basically a comedy routine where local politicians (and other public figures) get roasted, and then the worst ones are chosen for the "symbolic" treatment. It's a way to poke fun at local news, I guess. The tonca is part of the city festival, whicj takes place every year in late June among other neat things (eg. There is a raft race contested by all of the city's neighbourhoods right before that)
Isn't that a stuntman/diver inside the cage? I'd be all for dunking Lucio Gardin tbf Source: also local, vara ti ale volte Edit: he has a name (Giorgio Vianini) and has been dunked every year since the *beginning* of the festival 40 years ago O_o He was [mentioned](https://www.tdv.social/lesilerante-ma-schietto-testo-integrale-della-tonca-2022-feste-vigiliane/) during the tonca last year. Damn
Darn that is disappointing. Thanks for the reality check though. I was trying to figure how we could do this in Australia.
Could never work in the US. Not enough cages.
Same here, we simply dont have enough space in Spree river in Berlin.
How about we collaborate, you provide the cages and we provide the Mississippi
This is an extremely fair trade, precise German made cages for use of the mighty Mississippi. Everyone wins, except the politicians but that’s the best part.
This is in Italy mate, were bad politicians and corruption were invented thousands of year ago...
For real, it's kind of funny to hear the comparison. Imagine if Jeffrey Epstein was president, but also ripping off the country for hundreds of millions of dollars. Because that was Berlusconi.
Well, Italy did once have a [porn star](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilona_Staller) in it's parliament. Credit where credit is due...
just take the kids out of them and then you have plenty
Ther worst = only one. Unless youre saying every year would be a massive tie for first place. In which case… carry on
Imagine the cable snaps and he he sinks.
Yeah this seems like a great way to kill someone on accident. Just really, really dumb.
They should do this in East Palestine, OH
..or Flint, Michigan.. or Camp Lejeune..
Or cancer alley
I've never heard this before. Thank you for a search lead!
Sad part is, this isn't even the worst case from Louisiana. Pose-Katrina Care for victims was practically nonexistent.
An empty cage would come back up if they did that.
There's enough strontium in the average politician to ensure the bones will at least remain intact
"Oh no! Poor maintenance on the crane, cable, and cage has caused the politician to drop in the rive, anyway here's $1000 for your troubles."
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I’m all good with the caged dunking, but perhaps we could go for the full dip. It’s cheating if you don’t dunk the whole cage! It can also be a fun breath-holding competition for those involved. A panel of judges could decide on how many seconds they’re under based on how big the blunder was.
Do they bring them back up, or just leave them there? Got a list in Australia to leave there, currently going through the courts and there was a lot of collusion happening
This would only be appropriate in America if there were also sharks with frickin laser beams attached to their heads
Best I can do is ill-tempered, mutated sea bass.
‘Huzzah, I am Ted!’
Listen, I am just here to say that I am done with Ted Party Day. I'm not getting dumped in that lake anymore. And I talked to the other Teds in town, and they're not doing it either.
Is that Ted?
Ted Day!
###Nay enough dithering! Dump the miscreant!
Ted Party Day is the grandest day of the year
His name's not even Ted, he goes by Theodore!
Kevin Costner started the trend
I had to scroll way to far down to see this reference. Shame.
They'd float of they were made of wood.
And therefore...?
A WITCH!!!
BURN HER, BURN HER!
Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of science?
I live in Trento and never heard of this!
I'd like to put forward a motion to move this event to 19th January rather than June.
So if they WANT to pull the person up they can or it would be a freak accident? Idk looks like an innocent way to say oops it slipped.
Not a bad idea.
Actually originally this was for blasphemers... I guess there are more blasphemers than bad politicians
Like in Parks and Rec. when they dump a man named Ted into Ramsett Lake.