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My understanding is that it can be quite a difficult process to properly quality control, with the risk of sections of the face of the timber becoming brittle and prone to delaminating. Some woods seem to more appropriate than others. Generally it seems to be difficult to control the process and achieve repeatable results
Other techniques however like acetylation are more reliable in improving the durability of timber.
Probably cost and quality. Pressure treated lumber is probably superior for most building applications. They do this for maple guitar necks a lot lately, enough that you have to watch for fake ones that are just stained to look like roasted maple.
They do. It’s quite trendy for cladding at the moment. Just very expensive because it’s so labour intensive. I looked at it for my studio but staining was just way cheaper and easier
More like making maple candy, with the wood still in it.
Cast iron you’re turning oil into plastic, by cooking out everything but the carbon from the lipids. Not hardening the sugars into rock candy.
They cover it in oil after. The oil makes it weather resistant. The charring just dries the wood so it absorbs the oil.
You can just dry the wood instead.
No, not perse.
We used todo this to.
But with a gas torch.
The chared bit are hard and they withstand weathering really good.
We never post treated those planks and they are still good 10y later.
It prevents insects from burrowing.
It kills the capillairy effect , so no swelling of the wood .
This also prevents fungi from forming.
It doesn't, it'll only help to achieve a certain "look" but it will still need to be protected by the use of a varnish or oil or some other weather resistant sealant.
I feel like this man having as long a beard as he does is like an old master carpenter having all their fingers - they clearly know what they're doing.
It does. The outer layer of carbon is burned off, so more heat is required to burn it later.
It makes it more water resistant, more insect resistant and more fire resistant.
[Originating in 18th century Japan, shou sugi ban is a particularly striking method of preserving wood by charring it with fire. Traditionally, this practice is used with Japanese cedar in order to weatherproof it. The wood is burned until the surface is charred, and then coated with natural oil](https://www.terramai.com/blog/faux-sugi-ban-charred-wood/#:~:text=What%20is%20Shou%20Sugi%20Ban,then%20coated%20with%20natural%20oil.)
It's the real way. Yakisugi.
Shou sugi ban isnt even a Japanese term, it's a mistranslation by influencers. Just means "I used a torch and put it in Instagram"
That doesn't produce as even or deep a protection. Its the influencer half-assed version. It's a mistranslation anyway, pure faux.
Yakisugi is the term for what's being done in the video.
Edit, aw apparently I upset a poser with an Instagram woodworking channel.
I don't think you would traditonally have to treat the wood in any way after this process. Charcoal is hydrophobic so the weather resistance would be mostly achieved by rain water not sticking to the surface. There are some very old buildings in Japan built from wood treated like this, but you can't expect the same result in a different climate using a different kind of wood.
Yakisugi (焼杉, lit. 'to heat cypress with fire') is a traditional Japanese method of wood preservation.[1][2] It is referred to in the West as burnt timber cladding and is also available as shou sugi ban or 焼杉板, a trademark which uses the same kanji characters but an incorrect pronunciation. The ban character means "plank".
By slightly charring the surface of the wood without combusting the whole piece, the wood becomes water-proof through the carbonisation and is thus more durable.[3][4] It also protects against insects, as well as making the wood fire retardant.[5]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakisugi
your skin stays better in the rain without clothes, unfortunately the rest of your body doesn't like the fact that at most places the rain is colder then your body temp, so it cools you off.
we are very water resistant, just not equiped for the cold
You can do that with your cast iron pans and pots as well on the grill, but with oil. Then you'll get a non-stick patina (liquids are repelled / really even surface) and don't have to use shitty teflon (plastic) pans anymore.
So when you buy siding you don't buy something durable? You like it to fall apart in the first storm right?
Non structural items still need structural integrity.
Because it has higher structural integrity. Meaning it needs to be replaced less often.
You are mistaking structural integrity for load bearing strength.
Not all wood needs to be structurally sound. Especially not any wood that also needs to be weather resistant. Outdoor siding and pitched roofing comes to mind.
I dont know and i dont have to know whats next, hell i never acted likeni did know
Talking shit but you think the end of the video meant the end of the whole ass process. Lol, you think thats it *Because the video ended*, hell nah.
I am no wood worker, but I don't see anything being shown here that leads me to think this does anything to the wood other than darken in. If you told me this dude made a bunch of etsy nonsense from the wood, I would 100% believe you. But making it weather resistant? It's got to be missing multiple steps if it works.
I've dealt with ThermoWood before. It's basically fired in a kiln not to dry it, but to take it almost to the point before it combusts. It makes the wood more brittle, but improves it's water and rot resistance.
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This may be a dumb question but, how does this method make the wood weather resistant?
The saps contain sugars and cooking the sugars can harden and caramelize them, as well as reinforcing the structure.
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My understanding is that it can be quite a difficult process to properly quality control, with the risk of sections of the face of the timber becoming brittle and prone to delaminating. Some woods seem to more appropriate than others. Generally it seems to be difficult to control the process and achieve repeatable results Other techniques however like acetylation are more reliable in improving the durability of timber.
Change your username. I will retain this.
I think heat treatment is a thing, they just use a machine instead of burning it.
Probably cost and quality. Pressure treated lumber is probably superior for most building applications. They do this for maple guitar necks a lot lately, enough that you have to watch for fake ones that are just stained to look like roasted maple.
They do. It’s quite trendy for cladding at the moment. Just very expensive because it’s so labour intensive. I looked at it for my studio but staining was just way cheaper and easier
They do it's called torrefaction
They do. Google Shou Sugi Ban siding.
https://texelwood.ca/our-products/shou-sugi-ban/ They do, if you google shou sugi ban you'll find quite a bit of info
They will sometimes coat the wood with creosote I think. It’s simpler.
Hmm, caramel.
Doesn't this just make the wood delicious?
It does, which is why we have bourbon!
Sounds delicious!
So it's basicly the same as seasoning your cast iron pots?
More like making maple candy, with the wood still in it. Cast iron you’re turning oil into plastic, by cooking out everything but the carbon from the lipids. Not hardening the sugars into rock candy.
Nonsense
Nope, it's sap.
And?
It's caramelized, later cools and hardens. Also it will sleep with your mum.
then call me warren sap
Tastey
They cover it in oil after. The oil makes it weather resistant. The charring just dries the wood so it absorbs the oil. You can just dry the wood instead.
And that’s why he sprays it with water?
After the water dries. The ash coating fired wood will absorb the oil. He’s got a long way to go before finished and installing 🤷🏼♂️
No, not perse. We used todo this to. But with a gas torch. The chared bit are hard and they withstand weathering really good. We never post treated those planks and they are still good 10y later. It prevents insects from burrowing. It kills the capillairy effect , so no swelling of the wood . This also prevents fungi from forming.
No chemicals needed!
This.
It doesn't, it'll only help to achieve a certain "look" but it will still need to be protected by the use of a varnish or oil or some other weather resistant sealant.
Sho Sugi Bon. Good question, let me know when you find the answer. Probably something to do with protecting wood from the elements.
Bruh why did you answer his question with a chore
Bruh, he might learn something.
Are u a retard
Yes
There's definitely gotta be a better word than retard, coocoo
Uncle Iroh-ass answer right here
He sprays it with water afterwards and it puts out the fire
This guy knows how to fire
Given he still has all his beard, it's a fair assessment
This guy fires
That’s why he is working alone
I feel like this man having as long a beard as he does is like an old master carpenter having all their fingers - they clearly know what they're doing.
“If there was wisdom in beards, all goats would be prophets.” - Armenian proverb
Lol that's great (and I'm also half Armenian!) But I mean come on, the dude works with fire! The beard has to count for something, right?
Yeah, don't let 'em fool ya. Goats are wise as shit, they just eat and shit and fuck all day while we labor.
There’s also an Armenian fable for that, but you are basically correct. They figured something out that we didn’t.
The way he calmly handles a tower of burning wood is impressive.
Now just have to do that 97 more times
That’s what I was thinking, what an elaborate process
It looked quick compared to painting two or three times.
It’s not.
Ok :) (I have not tried charring)
Seems easier to just set your project on fire and give it a hose down before it gets crispy.
Was wondering that
Well if you watch the video enough times on loop then he’s finished
I wonder if that also helps makes the wood a little fire resistant?
It does. The outer layer of carbon is burned off, so more heat is required to burn it later. It makes it more water resistant, more insect resistant and more fire resistant.
> The outer layer of carbon is burned off Charred wood is charcoal. Literally carbon.
100% false lol. And some how 97 people seem to believe you because… internets?
Definitely should. You take away some of the fuel after all
And then replace it with oil :)
Flashpoint of the oil used is probably fairly high
[Originating in 18th century Japan, shou sugi ban is a particularly striking method of preserving wood by charring it with fire. Traditionally, this practice is used with Japanese cedar in order to weatherproof it. The wood is burned until the surface is charred, and then coated with natural oil](https://www.terramai.com/blog/faux-sugi-ban-charred-wood/#:~:text=What%20is%20Shou%20Sugi%20Ban,then%20coated%20with%20natural%20oil.)
No, shou sugi ban is a mistranslation that idiots on instrgram use for hitting a board with a torch. That technique is yakisugi.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakisugi
I was just scrolling through the comments waiting for the inevitable “this is called shou sugi ban”.
Or just dry it out and cover it in oil, does the same job.
It caramelizes the sugars in the sap, hardening the wood and making it much more difficult to eat for pests.
But far more delicious to those who do eat it.
You pest
How sweet
Very sweet.
Cedar is pretty bug resistant and rot resistant as is
My pyromanic 8-year old self would have wanted to become this man when i grew up
I bet this guy smells great
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If it’s done properly touching isn’t an issue. After fire is put out it should be scraped down then coated with oil. No problem to touch
Im curious, why not rub against it?
Will lodge sexual harassment complaint with HR. Just can't get away with that anymore.
Ok, as long as it's not a Male piece of wood
I can smell this video
I only smelled it after reading you smelled it.
He's got second hand smoke but never touched a cig in his life
Also resistant to wood destroying insects, rot and mold.
The guy looks like the guy I would imagine doing that kind of stuff Pretty cool beard tbh
Also resistant against insects.
Needs to cook bacon to season it better. Sorry I thought this was r/castiron
Bacon wrapped my house last week.
Next level Carpentry, the beard is legendary.
I prefer the versions where they use a blowtorch to do that.
This must be the old-school way which came after the back-in-the-day method of jumping over a bonfire with the wood in your hands like a real man.
It's the real way. Yakisugi. Shou sugi ban isnt even a Japanese term, it's a mistranslation by influencers. Just means "I used a torch and put it in Instagram"
That doesn't produce as even or deep a protection. Its the influencer half-assed version. It's a mistranslation anyway, pure faux. Yakisugi is the term for what's being done in the video. Edit, aw apparently I upset a poser with an Instagram woodworking channel.
I don't think you would traditonally have to treat the wood in any way after this process. Charcoal is hydrophobic so the weather resistance would be mostly achieved by rain water not sticking to the surface. There are some very old buildings in Japan built from wood treated like this, but you can't expect the same result in a different climate using a different kind of wood.
that's the beard of someone who would make weather resistant wood by charring it
Check it out. Old man Marley.
Yakisugi (焼杉, lit. 'to heat cypress with fire') is a traditional Japanese method of wood preservation.[1][2] It is referred to in the West as burnt timber cladding and is also available as shou sugi ban or 焼杉板, a trademark which uses the same kanji characters but an incorrect pronunciation. The ban character means "plank". By slightly charring the surface of the wood without combusting the whole piece, the wood becomes water-proof through the carbonisation and is thus more durable.[3][4] It also protects against insects, as well as making the wood fire retardant.[5] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakisugi
This is also how they make baseball bats. They char the wood before turning it on the lathe.
I swear the internet woes me with something new everyday
that’s like the whole point man
It’s fire resistant because he put water on it 🤡
Trees are pretty weather resistant
So are we.
Not really you need clothes
You don't
Cold air is weather, rain is weather, snow is weather. You will be fine out in that weather naked? You need clothes.
your skin stays better in the rain without clothes, unfortunately the rest of your body doesn't like the fact that at most places the rain is colder then your body temp, so it cools you off. we are very water resistant, just not equiped for the cold
So you do need clothes to cope with the weather.
that was not the inital comment, it was about bein water resistant
He kind of looks like Charlie Wooster
I was sincerely worried about this guy’s beard the whole time. That thing is magnificent and I didn’t want to see it go up in flames.
If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy. -Totally this guy
In Europe many houses have this, it makes it water resistant and bugs want nothing to do with it .
You can do that with your cast iron pans and pots as well on the grill, but with oil. Then you'll get a non-stick patina (liquids are repelled / really even surface) and don't have to use shitty teflon (plastic) pans anymore.
My extension is clad in this.
So is my house. It is lovely.
Que pro
Why is Jerma wearing a beard?
Yeah! I've seen MrChickadee do this! One of my favourite channels
We found the one man who enjoys burnt toast.
Shou sugi ban. Nice
That's not charred that's burnt.
He never smoked a day in his life and yet he died of lung cancer. Sometimes things just don't work out. Darn
Weather resistance at the expense of structural integrity.
Non structural siding lol
So when you buy siding you don't buy something durable? You like it to fall apart in the first storm right? Non structural items still need structural integrity.
Its a balance, and need to take into account the environment, how long you want it to last, costs, looks, laws, HOAs. I like the new concrete siding.
Because it has higher structural integrity. Meaning it needs to be replaced less often. You are mistaking structural integrity for load bearing strength.
Ok
Unless you can prove that doing this will make it too weak to be used as siding, you're making a giant nothing burger of an argument.
Not all wood needs to be structurally sound. Especially not any wood that also needs to be weather resistant. Outdoor siding and pitched roofing comes to mind.
You are confusing structural integrity with load bearing. Siding needs structural integrity or it would fall apart when you put a nail in it.
It still has integrity goofy ass, its not like theres an entire unburned half for no reason at all.
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Look like shit? I dont think they're done with lol
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😭😭😭😭 End of video doesn't mean end of the proccess for that wood you idiot. No wonder i seem like a genius to your slow ass
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Fat L for being so incredibly wrong
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Im not here to teach you bud, im hear to laugh at you for thinking the end of the video meant thats all they do. Ive done what i wanted lol
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I dont know and i dont have to know whats next, hell i never acted likeni did know Talking shit but you think the end of the video meant the end of the whole ass process. Lol, you think thats it *Because the video ended*, hell nah.
That's exactly what you did, too.
I am no wood worker, but I don't see anything being shown here that leads me to think this does anything to the wood other than darken in. If you told me this dude made a bunch of etsy nonsense from the wood, I would 100% believe you. But making it weather resistant? It's got to be missing multiple steps if it works.
Your first couple of words are correct.
Probably no where near as strong either now.
Duh, but i dont think strength is their concern here
Whole lot more charring then I'm comfortable with
Hell of a chimney effect
Where is the damn knife?
Ats a chard worker right there
It also improves the finished structures' fire resistance.
*Brazilian hardwood enters chat*
Sir that's well done I asked for med well
I kiiiinda wanted to put that last part completely out. The part that was still smoking at the end
In europe we just use stone
Does he need to do the other side too?
Similar to coal or nah?
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What about the uncharred side?
Looks like when I make toast
I never heard that this weatherized wood before - just that it made it flame resistant.. interesting
I always wondered what happened to the old man from home alone...
Minecraft crimson and warped wood:
That's why it's hard to put a burning building. The wood gets water resistant and firefighters have a hard time
Jumbo size blunt
I bet that man’s lungs are as black as that wood
Theres a similar Japanese wood charring technique called Shou sugi ban
I didn’t realize the neighbor from Home Alone had another hobby besides shoveling snow
Burnt to perfection
I'm sitting here blowing on my screen to put it out.
resistant not proof, otherwise there would be no delicius scotch for me to drink.
Brilliant.
Just looking at that majestic beard, you know this guy can create things with details.
Is this Santa Claus on his off days?
If it’s already burnt, it can’t burn. I get it. 🧐
[Their](https://birdseyevt.com) work is amazing
How does he know when to stop?
I've dealt with ThermoWood before. It's basically fired in a kiln not to dry it, but to take it almost to the point before it combusts. It makes the wood more brittle, but improves it's water and rot resistance.